Well! personally I think we (nationalists) got the right to to act and speak in public and say what we think. If the Highlanders still carries a grudge against the Brits for what Britain did to William Wallace and more then who am I to blaim them. Mind you , rather than whining you could choose to move (and don't say you haven't got the choice) try moving to a Irish IRA stronghold and see if you like that better - hell! - atleast you then would have something to whine for.....

But you see my friend you miss the point....
I do not think that Brits , Scotsmen and the Irish are of different races and calling it racist remarks when a Scotsman makes condescending remarks about a Brit I find that completely and utterly ridiciously - it's
really not different than if someone doesn't like fat people and calls a fat person a fat pig and you would then make a claim that the fat people is now of different race than the rest of humanity just so you can have the non-fats thrown to jail for mere mockery.

If you can't stand the heat in Scotland , stand up for yourself or make peace with the local Scotsman then leave to where you came from !
Don't expect me to accept haveing my race annihilated just because you act like a cry baby.....


WISE WORDS! :)

I will like to know more about the status of racial groups in Germany. Pleading ignorance, I am faintly aware that it is a crime to be aware of the white man's superiority. Is this true?

']In many European countries racism is illegal. I'm not sure how it is in Germany but if you use a racist word in public in the UK you will be arrested.

In Germany I can tell you it is really bad !!!!
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p16_internet.html

And worse - the EU insane rulers now wishes to apply that to all of EU meaning if you do something they don't like in either country they'll simply ask to have you turned over to the authorities where they don't like what you say..... (legislation at work)

The EU is *REALLY* scared of the net and wishes any EU citizen hogtied for buttf**king by the rulerz and their favorite creep.....

All they really want is for the whites to be without a place to be ...
Here a glance at some of their plans

http://europa.eu.int/comm/employment_social/fundamental_rights/index_en.htm

http://www.icare.to/antidiscrimination19.05.2000.html

and this PDF file
http://www.enar-eu.org/en/brnews/docs/press%20statement_transposition.pdf

Completely insane rulez Europe


FIAT LUX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randolph
I will like to know more about the status of racial groups in Germany.


German 91.5%
Turkish 2.4%
Other 6.1%
(made up largely of Serbo-Croatian, Italian, Russian, Greek, Polish, Spanish)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Randolph
Pleading ignorance, I am faintly aware that it is a crime to be aware of the white man's superiority. Is this true?


In many European countries racism is illegal. I'm not sure how it is in Germany but if you use a racist word in public in the UK you will be arrested.


T.H.:
I’ll try to get the exact figures on the number of foreigners here, as the percentage you came up with seems modest. At last recollection, the figure was more at 12% which includes race. As German citizenship was offered, many non-Germans decided to either renounce their former or add German citizenship to their own, where applicable, becoming dual-nationals. Certain stipulations are required for obtaining German citizenship.
1- For those documenting a parent or even a grandparent of German descent, the right to citizenship becomes automatic. The largest group originates from former communist east European countries. These people are rarely racially pure and there is speculation over their documentation as being ungenuine in many cases. German citizenship is also available to Americans who meet these conditions, by the way. You never know when you’ll need it.
2- Non-Germans who have resided here for a certain amount of time are eligible.
3- All Jews have an automatic right to permanent residency, but I don’t know the exact details of how this leads to citizenship.

The "naturalized" fall out of statistics:
After obtaining German citizenship, one is no longer recognised as a foreign criminal, where applicable, but as a German criminal. Not only are crime statistics subject to distortion, but also district polling as these new document “Germans” tend to drive out indegenous inhabitants thus creating ghetto neighborhoods which significantly distort the political process. Non-ethnic “Germans” never vote for German nationalist parties but of course for those who cater to their interests as peacefull invaders. The largest Ghetto is to be found in Kreuzberg, Berlin. The second in Frankfurt.
All Moslem groups account for a high birthrate. A family with 9 children is not uncommon by them. Turks are the majority of these Moslems. When Turkish males reach the age of pro-creation, they do not seek Turkish wives who were raised here, because women adapt to their surroundings and quickly become emancipated (in a negative sense). The males then travel to the old country and import some backwoods illiterate bride who wears the head rag and doesn’t speak German as well as any other language. The Trojan horse can’t find her way around here and is for all practical purposes, a slave. The offspring grow up and the cycle continues. Get out your calculators and figure out how short it will take before Germans become a minority in their own country. The official German birthrate is somewhere around 1.8 offspring to 2 parents which means that on an avarage, ethnic-German parents raise less than half a child.
So, all of you VNN readers of ethnic-German blood should get your German passports and come over here to create a Utah Mormon style replenishment of Aryan racial stock reminiscent of the “Lebensborn” programm during the 3rd Reich.
As far as racially slurring goes, it doesn’t seem that matters are as intense as in England. I’ve gotten repremanded by ordinary citizens because of my views, but have had a conversation with a policeman sometime ago where we both talked freely. It’s possible to scratch the surface with a lot of people here, but certain terms strike a bell. Germans who have had direct unpleasant experiences with Subs tend to be open about their feelings, whereas most Brits tend to underreact

The "naturalized" fall out of statistics:


Yeah ! - they have lied so many years so when they talk statistics in europe please don't believe them - it is lies - all lies.....
I know of a place where 10-15 years ago 20% of the kids in 5 lower grades in school were already then non-whites and now 10-15 years later they still cough up about the same statical numbers they did 15 years ago when they speak of the total number of foreigners....


In many European countries racism is illegal.


Please understand this , they don't care what so ever if the person you expresses yourself negativ about is of another race . If you speak negative about white persons from another "white country" they'll still call you racist.
The word Racist is jut a tool they use to break peoples backside - because in the common psychosis everybody has learned that racism is bad - and using the word racist gives people like un-voluntary "mental/consciounes contractions" - like without thinking they got to react in a negativ way towards the socalled racist no matter what.
Some places it is even incorporated in the law that if you speak negatively about anyone because of their race , religion , ethnicity , whatever then you are a racist - they call this the racist paragraph...

Hell... Nowadays the EU rulerz even speaks of declaring NATIONALISM a clear sign of RACISM !!!!!!!!!!!!!
European communities are so way out and mentally disturbed in this sense....

FIAT LUX

']And it is! Try being English living in Scotland and you'll know exactly what its like to be racially abused. Not nice at all. Making racist remarks in public is no different to the illegal "disturbance the peace". If you make life unhappy for other people you will be arrested. Rightly so.

Well! personally I think we (nationalists) got the right to to act and speak in public and say what we think. If the Highlanders still carries a grudge against the Brits for what Britain did to William Wallace and more then who am I to blaim them. Mind you , rather than whining you could choose to move (and don't say you haven't got the choice) try moving to a Irish IRA stronghold and see if you like that better - hell! - atleast you then would have something to whine for.....

But you see my friend you miss the point....
I do not think that Brits , Scotsmen and the Irish are of different races and calling it racist remarks when a Scotsman makes condescending remarks about a Brit I find that completely and utterly ridiciously - it's
really not different than if someone doesn't like fat people and calls a fat person a fat pig and you would then make a claim that the fat people is now of different race than the rest of humanity just so you can have the non-fats thrown to jail for mere mockery.

If you can't stand the heat in Scotland , stand up for yourself or make peace with the local Scotsman then leave to where you came from !
Don't expect me to accept haveing my race annihilated just because you act like a cry baby.....

FIAT LUX

P.S.
If the Whites locally won't have anti-racist whiners around then move to a black neigbourhod in one of the British cities that got really many darkies - I am sure they'll want some help to whine about the whites being racists

Fiatlux and Turk Hunter, I thank you for the comments. I will spend time reading through the literature.

Question:

The only evidence that I can come up with that I am of German blood is a letter from the adoption agency stating that they think my father's nationality is German.

Would that be enough?

Fiatlux and Turk Hunter, I thank you for the comments. I will spend time reading through the literature.

Question:

The only evidence that I can come up with that I am of German blood is a letter from the adoption agency stating that they think my father's nationality is German.

Would that be enough?


I am not sure , I know that , in Germany is applied something called "Jus Sanguinis" as the principal princip when giving Citizen status, This relates to bloodline meaning that bloodline counts most when it comes to becomming a German citizen . But I do not know the law so specifically that I can tell you if having a German father makes Germany think it got the right to count an American born (or whater) as a German citizen - but I seriously doubt it.......

FIAT LUX

Quote FIAT LUX:
Yeah ! - they have lied so many years so when they talk statistics in europe please don't believe them - it is lies - all lies.....
I know of a place where 10-15 years ago 20% of the kids in 5 lower grades in school were already then non-whites and now 10-15 years later they still cough up about the same statical numbers they did 15 years ago when they speak of the total number of foreigners....

T.H.: I often get the same impreßion myself, these days. In former East Germany you’ll hardly see any (I’m speaking from 1996, when I was last there.). The Skinheads there do a gööd job of making life miserable for them.
There are small enclaves far away from sizable cities where you’ll also notice considerably less of them, but still too many.
That the media isn’t to be trusted is true. They have their agenda dictated from above and have been caught outright lying, on occasion. Your eyes, however don’t lie. Most people are gullible which makes our wörk difficult if not frustrating. The European Union gives out an immense amount for propaganda which was proven during the French presidential election, a couple of years ago. After the National Front (Front Nationale) walked away with 20% of the votes and the Reds suffering a mortal political blow, The EU fought tooth and nail using a barrage of tax funded propaganda in order to keep the NF from obtaining a majority in the second round which töök place shortly after (2 weeks?).

Quote:
Please understand this , they don't care what so ever if the person you expresses yourself negativ about is of another race . If you speak negative about white persons from another "white country" they'll still call you racist.

TH:
Americans are often made fun of and things are said on a collective basis which wouldn’t be tolerated when applied to others, especially Jews or their strategic ally the Turks.

Quote:
Hell... Nowadays the EU rulerz even speaks of declaring NATIONALISM a clear sign of RACISM !!!!!!!!!!!!!
European communities are so way out and mentally disturbed in this sense....

TH:
At an official level, they make a lot of noise. All it takes, is for 1 member country, especially one sizable such as France, Britain or Germany, to go nationalist and you’ll witness what A Paper Tiger the EU really is. Without a federal armed forces or even an equivalent of the FBI, I’d like to see what they’ll do about it. They made a lot of noise when the nationalists entered government in Austria, but the nationalists are still there.
An ordinary policeman is reluctant to even take a complaint here anymore. They are frustrated that the laws aren’t in place to combat White slavery, international drug trafficking and whatever else. They are also sensitivity trained and am sure they don’t like this one bit.
What u say is definitely true above a certain level, but doubt if this trickles down to the rank and file. However, this threat is discomforting and I’m sure the psychological effect is greater than the phisical. I hope I’m not mistaken

Question:

The only evidence that I can come up with that I am of German blood is a letter from the adoption agency stating that they think my father's nationality is German.

Would that be enough?

TH:
This is a gööd start. Trace your father in question, then petition a DNA analysis or blood test. If the results turn out positive 4 u, the last step will be to bring the evidence to the German consulate. Your troubles should be over, afterwards

At an official level, they make a lot of noise. All it takes, is for 1 member country, especially one sizable such as France, Britain or Germany, to go nationalist and you’ll witness what A Paper Tiger the EU really is. Without a federal armed forces or even an equivalent of the FBI, I’d like to see what they’ll do about it. They made a lot of noise when the nationalists entered government in Austria, but the nationalists are still there.
An ordinary policeman is reluctant to even take a complaint here anymore. They are frustrated that the laws aren’t in place to combat White slavery, international drug trafficking and whatever else. They are also sensitivity trained and am sure they don’t like this one bit.
What u say is definitely true above a certain level, but doubt if this trickles down to the rank and file. However, this threat is discomforting and I’m sure the psychological effect is greater than the phisical. I hope I’m not mistaken

You could be right some of the way but the problem here is that that is foreseen by EU.
I cannot remember the name of the treaty - but one of the EU-treaties some years ago made it actually possible for the EU to punish the perp country economically or to intervene millitarily if there came any racial-problems. I can't find the papers right now (got them somewhere) but I think the way they expressed it were something like protecting other countries citizens or something like that . I am not completely sure but I think the EU got it covered some of the way atleast.
(As far as I remember the EU sold the package to the populations by calling it workers rights and so on)

FIAT LUX

I am not sure , I know that , in Germany is applied something called "Jus Sanguinis" as the principal princip when giving Citizen status, This relates to bloodline meaning that bloodline counts most when it comes to becomming a German citizen . But I do not know the law so specifically that I can tell you if having a German father makes Germany think it got the right to count an American born (or whater) as a German citizen - but I seriously doubt it.......

FIAT LUX


I was just using my situation as a hypothetical case. Thanks for the reply.

']Whats interesting is that my origins are Scottish, so where do I call home? Sound familiar?

Yeah ! - very familiar - nowadays isane lefties tell us that we can't let the refugees live in refugee camps cause it's inhuman . A little later they tell you that you can't send the refugees home because they now got a new home country in where they are at present or they have bonded with local population and blah , blah blah , blah - I think they should all simply go to hell.....

For you "67" I think that you only got a problem because you want to have one.
I am sure that Scotland will open it's heart to the descendand of a lost son if you pose as such . Perhaps the Scottish is NOT idiots but I think they'll have a heart and embrace you if you help them on the way...
unless ofcourse you're not telling me about your African mother - ROTFL :D

FIAT LUX

']I've lived in Scotland for 22 years, I have a Scottish surname, I have an English accent, I am white. So why was I racially abused from day 1 of moving here?

I weren't around and thus deducting the reasons for your problems would require one of two of which I'll only mention one...

Had this been the place and time for an endless inquiry into the matter (me inquireing you) I am sure I could come up with nothing short of what probably would be a rather exact explanation...
But this is with all certainty not the time and the place (or way)....

So what can I say.... Ask god...... or look into your own heart....

FIAT LUX

']Before me, my family hasn't lived in Scotland for at least 200 years. Am I more Scottish than a black Scottish man who's family moved here 100 years ago?

You can hardly expect to count as a Scottsman for the Scottish just because one of your forefathers were from Scotland some 200 years ago - that is a little far fetched or to strech things so to speak....

With respect to your above question - what do I know? (I'll leave it to others to ponder on that one!)

FIAT LUX

']So does that mean that black American are not Americans?


No. Blacks can never be Americans in my opinion as long as they continue to fight for "civil rights."

When they stop using political means to loot me and other whites for their social program. When they stop killing, raping, and robbing whites in white communities. When they decide to become civilized. Then they can be called Americans.

The latest crime wave from niggers in Detroit is stealing cars. This is how they are doing it. Two niggers travel 30-40 miles up the freeway and exit to an all-white rural neighborhood. What they are looking for is cars in driveways idling. The niggers drive up and steal the car.

So how are the police dealing with this latest crime? They are ticketing and fining the white car owners. Why? There is a law against leaving a car unattended while idling.

']So does that mean that black American are not Americans?

I think it would have been a more appropriate comparison to ask if it meant that the socalled black Americans are not Africans - but whatever...

But I'll also leave that question to someone else to ponder on....

My personal opinion about the blacks is that they belong in Africa - that's their continent - (my opinion) - so why don't they use their powers building good black nations in Africa and helping the Africans.(?) ....
Everybody always talks so much about helping the poor Africans and I can't see why that should be left to us whites . My suggestion would both give Africans the help the need and solve the White-Black race problem. (just my opinion)

FIAT LUX

']So where is the white Americans continent? England? Germany? Holland? France? Italy? etc etc... Thats where they came from right?

All this is the same stupid discussion over if America belongs to the Indians or the White man...
But as the story of the "Kennewick man" shows truth would be a little more complex than that....
Actually it is very possible that "the white man" ruled some part of north America before the Indians - the fact that the white guys were slain (under a seriously outnumbered condition) bye the Indian guys don't necessarily make the Indians the rightfull owners of the land - we just came back and took what was ours already.

']
Black Americans have as little connection to Africa as white Americans have to where they originally came from.

Well - or as much - anyway the blacks came later than the white man - I seriously doubt that their negroid canoe would have brought them to America by themselves!

']
Do you have any statistics to show that black Americans give less to African causes than whites do?

No ! - do I need that to have an opinion ?

Anyway I was talking about giving in the form of what one gives when physical present - and when talking about if more whites or negroids travel out to help the poor negroids I can understand that you don't live in a country that until only a few decades ago were almost completely negroid free zone , huh?

Are U sure U R not a negroid posing as a white ? - you surely come across as really negroid in your attitude as far as I'm concerned.
']
Thats sounds very un-WN of you?
How would I know I don't know what un-WN means ?

FIAT LUX

http://www.vlaamsblok.be
Click on British flag

']By the way, thankyou for having some good arguments for WN. It makes a nice change.

Thanks !

FIAT LUX

']So does that mean that WN's can never really be Americans as long as they fight for their own "civil rights"?


When blacks "fight" for their civil rights it is for the right to use governmental power to force others to associate with them. The white fight for their civil rights is for the real rights of freedom the associate and conduct one's affairs without governmental coersion.

There is a huge difference between to two. Under the cloak of civil rights the blacks are using government for political means.

It is improper and illogical to even compare the two.

The indians did not own North America. Much of the continent was unused and unoccupied. The first owners of the land are those who mixed their labor with the land and improved it.

To understand my point, one wil have to be familiar with John Locke's arguments concerning the original owners of land. Murray Rothbard followed up with a good chapter in a book on this subject.

If one searched title on every property all the way back in time, we would all see that every piece of land was in one way or another was taken by one against the will of another.

Today, nearly every reparation movement is against the white man. Why? Because he is the one that is most likely to have the money and has been taught for years now that he is the one responsible for the failures of other races.

The writing is on the wall. The white race is going to have to stand its ground and will eventually have to defend what areas that are still white-owned.

Today, nearly every reparation movement is against the white man. Why? Because he is the one that is most likely to have the money and has been taught for years now that he is the one responsible for the failures of other races.


Oohhh ! Come on Randolph - please , please , feel GUILTY - if not for your own sake then for them poor poor little Jew boy's sake ;)

ROTFL :D

FIAT LUX

Oohhh ! Come on Randolph - please , please , feel GUILTY - if not for your own sake then for them poor poor little Jew boy's sake ;)

ROTFL :D

FIAT LUX


Thanks FIATLUX, you gave me a chuckle.

Now I will give you one hell of a laugh. I work in civil rights.

Being on the inside and seeing first hand what civil rights really mean is the reason that I became race conscious again. Civil rights for the black man is nothing more than securing more loot for the black man.

I still remember the talk that the deputy director gave to all of us last year. He reminded all of us taht our jobs is not about civil rights, it is about making sure that "minorities" get their "fair" share.

Being in Europe you may not understand or know about the full story regarding the black population in Detroit. They want everything in the city to be black owned and operated. Anything white in this city is the sign of oppression.

Many things that are "white" are now being allowed to fall into disrepair. See link:
http://www.white-history.com/hwrdet.htm

And replaced with:
http://www.maah-detroit.org/

The riverfront now has a monument to slavery (Michigan never was a slave state) showing slaves looking towards Canada for freedom.

What pisses me off about all this is that the blacks are using funds taken from white communities to pay for these things. They also race bait issues to get governmental preferences.

And that is my job, to monitor white owned businesses and their compliance in upholding qoutas (opps, sorry, "preferences"). A poor report from my department will shut white firms out of the bidding process.

That my friend is the next step in the nigger's plan to pauperize the white race. I have been tryin for over a week now to get others to work with me to end this threat.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=320

I am not interested in participating in any illegal acts. The time for that is still in the future. While there is still time to do things peacefully, I will continure to take that path.

Thanks FIATLUX, you gave me a chuckle.

Now I will give you one hell of a laugh. I work in civil rights.
snip......................
Many things that are "white" are now being allowed to fall into disrepair. See link:
http://www.white-history.com/hwrdet.htm
And replaced with:
http://www.maah-detroit.org/
Snip.........
That my friend is the next step in the nigger's plan to pauperize the white race. I have been tryin for over a week now to get others to work with me to end this threat.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=320
I am not interested in participating in any illegal acts. The time for that is still in the future. While there is still time to do things peacefully, I will continure to take that path.

Thanks for the info Randolph.....
I didn't find the Detroit photos entertaining - only chocking - with this development then in only some decades there will be whole states in the U.S. there will be occupied by non-whites only.... terribly.....
Must be hard for you sometimes . Where I live there was 10-15 years ago already 20% foreigners in the first 5 grades in the schools.... ( where I live doesn't matter - it's more or less the same all over europe.

Glad to see you are in good spirit still - may it last for the rest of your life...

FIAT LUX

67

Why are you a multiculturalist? Why do you favour Britain becoming a multiracial society? Has the racial invasion since the 50s been a happy experience thus far for the native, indigenous mostly Anglo-Saxon and Celt elements?

I wrote this post in a slightly different context a while ago, but I believe that it's also applicable here.

Usually, the author of such an anti-British article is East Indian. Well, I don't see why the author of the article makes a point of saying that Britain cannot any longer be a "Whites only" nation (and why not?)-- rather self-serving, I would say. ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!!! England was virtually all White before WW II and it didn't do too badly. The sun never set on the British Empire, and a handful of sturdy and beef-eating Englishmen dominated/subjugated hundreds of millions of Hindus and Muslims inhabiting the Indian sub-continent. All it takes is for Whites to stop actively and cheerfully participating in their own self-destruction. Mass repartitions and deportations are a distinct possibility if there's the political will on the part of the White majority (for how much longer?) to implement such a policy of racial self-preservation and hygiene. If South Asians find the English fight for survival "repugnant", then I would strongly advocate their speedy emigration to their paradisiacal country of origin (it's to be hoped that mongrels and race traitors will also be dealt in like manner). After all, the PJB openly propagandizes for the removal of all non-Hindus from India (especially Muslims). The South Asian Hindus can do whatever the hell they want on their own land (wasn't that the whole point of de-colonization?); ergo, the English should be entitled to do the same in England, no? Seems fair and reasonable to me. The South Asians and other Asiatic are racial aliens and "guests" (although, the designation of "racial invaders" is more apt and accurate), and should act accordingly. Nevertheless, the real problem resides of course in the White majority's pusillanimity and its apparent acquiescence in its own racial death. All those “anti-racist” laws and boards and committees, etc. ad infinitum and ad nauseam, are in fact used my the invading Third World riff raff fleeing failed polities (such as the chaotic and anarchic cesspool of India, for e.g.) to their advantage, and to the detriment of the indigenous population. Unless the English wake up to the situation and take appropriate measures, i.e., massive expulsions, England will cease to be England. England’s heart pumps English blood, and only a naïve bleeding heart fool would think that if you replace old-stock Englishmen by the Bangladeshi (for e.g.) you’ll still have the England in any meaningful way. There are commentators and authors, here and in Europe, who actually think that Whites have a real death wish, since Whites are the only people in the world who seem to be happily sauntering toward the racial guillotine and ultimate oblivion – and out of sheer misplaced “altruism” and “guilt” (obviously the role of the Jews in the West has been decisive and instrumental in fostering and promoting these psychological pathologies amongst White, this has been well documented by many writers and thinkers and I won’t get into it now). But I don’t know. Maybe. Probably. The jury is still out (not for much longer, though) if Whites' death march is indeed irreversible.
NO WAY OUT BUT THROUGH THE JEW!

The Racial Transformation of Britain

How Enoch Powell's warnings went unheeded.

by Richard Lynn

During the closing decades of the twentieth century the large-scale immigration of Hispanics, Asians and blacks made the United States an increasingly multiracial society. However, this transformation has not taken place only in America. This strange process of self-effacement has also taken place in Canada, Australia and throughout Western Europe – particularly in Britain.

There have been small numbers of non-whites in Britain for hundreds of years. Blacks first appeared towards the end of the sixteenth century following the beginning of the slave trade in 1563. English slavers picked up blacks from West Africa for transport to the Caribbean and America, and brought a few back to England. They acquired such a bad reputation that in 1596 Queen Elizabeth wrote to mayors and sheriffs throughout the country saying there were "already too many here" and should all be expelled. The Queen must not have been completely obeyed because five years later she issued another proclamation requiring that the "said kind of people should be with all speed avoided and discharged out of this Her Majesty's dominions."


For how much longer?
Despite such decrees, a few blacks continued to be brought to England to work as servants. Several hundred runaway American slaves came to England after the end of the American Revolutionary War. According to Peter Fryer's Staying Power: a History of Blacks in Britain, many became beggars on the streets of London. The government considered them a serious social problem, and set up a plan to resettle them in Sierra Leone. Three hundred fifty were actually sent there. By the beginning of the twentieth century there were very few blacks in Britain and the only significant black communities were in the ports of Liverpool and Cardiff. In 1919 there were serious race riots in both cities.

In 1596
Queen Elizabeth issued a decree expelling all blacks from
her kingdom.


It was after the end of the Second World War that large numbers of blacks and other non-Europeans settled in Britain. The process began with the British Nationality Act passed in 1948 by Clement Atlee's Labour Government. This act conferred British citizenship on the people of the British colonies and gave them the right to enter, settle, and work in Britain. At that time the colonies consisted of India, Hong Kong, Malaysia, much of Africa, most of the Caribbean, and a number of other smaller territories. The act gave similar rights of entry and residence to citizens of the British Commonwealth, consisting of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Thus the act covered many hundreds of millions of people, most of whom were not white.

Why did Parliament pass such a law? British historian Andrew Roberts wrote in his 1994 book, Eminent Churchillians, that it probably reflected gratitude towards the Commonwealth nations that had supported Britain during the war against Germany. He writes that the law was "drawn up at the height of enthusiasm for the concept of 'Commonwealth' . . . all political parties embraced the 'Commonwealth ideal' with a fervour and naiveté which may seem absurd today." He also points out that the act was a kind of afterthought that actually reflected an "absence of policy."

Just as was the case with the watershed 1965 immigration reform in the United States, hardly anyone pointed out what might happen if huge numbers of non-European people actually came. One of the few to raise this question was a young Conservative Member of Parliament named Enoch Powell, but government spokesmen and senior members of his own party assured him that very few would actually arrive in Britain.

These reassurances were ill-founded. In May, 1948, within a few weeks of the act becoming law, the first boatload of blacks arrived from Jamaica. They were to be followed by many more from the Caribbean, the Indian subcontinent, and by lesser numbers from Hong Kong, Malaysia and Singapore. In the 1950s quite large numbers of blacks and Indians were entering and settling in Britain, and towards the end of the decade it was becoming apparent that while Indian immigrants adapted to life in Britain, blacks did not. One problem was that many whites didn't like them. It was common, for example, for advertisements for rental property to specify "No Blacks," though this was later made illegal. Other events that called attention to blacks were the 1958 race riots in which blacks looted and burned shops in the Notting Hill district of London and in the city of Nottingham.

Following the riots a few Conservative politicians began to voice disquiet about the presence and continuing immigration of blacks. One of these was Lord Salisbury, who said he was "extremely apprehensive of the economic and social results, for Europeans and for Africans alike, that were likely to result from an unrestricted immigration of men and women of the African race into Britain." The Times of September 3, 1958, reported that whites resented blacks because "they are alleged to do no work and to collect a rich sum from the assistance board" and "they are charged with all kinds of misbehavior, especially sexual." Later research was to show that these perceptions had an element of truth in so far as blacks were found to have about twice the level of unemployment of whites, about six times the level of crime, and high rates of illegitimacy.

By 1961 it was estimated that there were in Britain approximately 210,000 blacks from the Caribbean and 122,000 Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis from the Indian sub-Continent. The Conservative government of the day, led by Harold Macmillan, decided it was time for immigration to stop. In 1962 it passed the Commonwealth Immigration Act, which removed the right of entry to Britain of citizens of the Colonies and Commonwealth, except for parents, spouses and children of those already in the country, and for those hired for jobs no British citizen was capable of doing. In 1963 the government issued 30,130 such employment vouchers but this number gradually declined to 2,290 in 1972.

Rivers of Blood

The Labour Party bitterly opposed the 1962 act, but it realized that the majority of the population did not like immigration, and did not repeal the act when it came to power in 1964. Nevertheless, though the intention of the 1962 act was to end immigration into Britain, it soon became apparent that it was continuing at a great rate. In 1968 Enoch Powell decided it was time to raise the issue publicly. By then a leading Conservative politician, Powell had been a brilliant classical student at Cambridge, became professor of Greek at the University of Sydney at the age of 26, and had served in the Second World War with distinction. He had been a cabinet member in Harold Macmillan's Conservative government and was a member of the Conservative shadow cabinet when the Conservatives went into opposition in 1964.

His much-publicized address has become known as the "rivers of blood" speech because of what Powell said about the tensions continued immigration would bring: "As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the river Tiber foaming with much blood." The classical allusion was to a passage in Vergil's Aeneid in which Aeneas hears a prophecy that when he returns to Italy there will be war and "foaming blood" in the Tiber. It was to prove a more arresting phrase than Powell seems to have realized, and he said later he wished he had given the quotation in Latin.

In the speech, Powell cited the social problems caused by blacks in the United States as a warning of what would happen in Britain: "The tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch in horror on the other side of the Atlantic, which is there interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming to us here by our own volition and our own neglect." He continued by quoting an aphorism from classical Greece: "Those whom the gods seek to destroy, they first make mad," and continued, "We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in building up its own funeral pyre." He called for repatriation as the only solution to the problem.

An opinion poll carried out shortly after the speech showed that 74 percent of the population agreed with Powell, but the government ignored their wishes and immigration continued. The 1991 census found that the number of blacks had risen more than fourfold since 1961 to approximately 900,000 (1.6 percent of the population), while South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) had increased more than tenfold to approximately 1,500,000 (2.7 percent of the population). There were also approximately 650,000 Chinese (1.25 percent of the population), but these figures were all underestimates because many immigrants, particularly illegals, do not fill in census forms and go uncounted.

Post-war immigrants have always congregated in the major cities. A survey carried out in 1999 found that approximately one third of school children in London do not speak English at home. Probably about another third are English-speaking blacks and Asians. When these non-whites become adults they will outnumber whites, just as they do in most big cities in the United States.

Why did the 1962 act fail to halt the rise in the number of non-whites? First, immigrants are mainly young adults who soon have children, and they tend to have more children than whites. Many enter illegally or as legal tourists who never go home. Some enter as spouses, and many enter as a result of arranged marriages. There have been press reports of young Asian women, legally resident in Britain, who are taken to India, Pakistan or Bangladesh and forced into marriage so their husbands could come to Britain. Others enter as asylum seekers – with 70,000 heads of household entering in 1999 alone. Claims for asylum have to be examined, which takes about 18 months. If the claim is refused the asylum seeker has the right to appeal. If the appeal is refused the claimant is generally allowed to stay anyway, or else by this time has disappeared into the underground economy. By early 2000 there was a backlog of 102,000 asylum seekers waiting for their cases to be heard, which can take several years.

Powell was right about the continuation of racial conflict. In 1980 blacks rioted in Bristol and in 1981 in the London district of Brixton and the Toxteth district of Liverpool. In 1985 there were race riots in the Hansworth district of Birmingham and again in London. Racial attacks are frequent.

Thus, despite its resonance with the population at large, Powell's 1968 speech had little practical effect. Most of the media and even many leading conservatives denounced the speech. Edward Heath promptly dismissed Powell from the shadow cabinet, and in 1974 Powell resigned from the Conservative Party over the issue of the European Community, which he opposed. He continued to make speeches predicting further growth of the immigrant population, the rise of racial tensions, and the need to repatriate immigrants. In 1988 he reiterated his warnings: "I cannot foresee how a country can be peaceably governed in which the composition of the population is progressively going to change, in the way that the population of great parts of England is certainly going to change. I am talking about violence that can only be described as civil war. I cannot see there can be any other outcome." Enoch Powell died on February 8, 1998, aged 86. At his funeral service a few members of the public left wreaths. One bore a card that read, "You were right, Enoch."

How the Races Adjust

In 1976 Powell observed that blacks in Britain had a high rate of crime and were particularly involved in mugging, a word which, he said, was "used by one part of the divided society to describe its treatment at the hands of the other." Apart from this, he did not have much to say about the degree to which different groups of immigrants have adjusted to life in Britain. Nevertheless, it is interesting to note that blacks, Indians, Chinese and Pakistanis together with Bangladeshis have adjusted quite differently. Statistics for some of the major studies on this issue are summarized in the table on this page.



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Date Whites Blacks Indians Pak/Ban Chinese

ESN % 1970 .68 2.33 .32
IQ 1984 100 88 98
Unemployed % 1991 11 25 13 29 10
Men in Prison % 1995 .15 .98 .11 .11 .06
Adults Married % 1994 60 39 72 74 62
Single Teenaged
Mothers % 1994 6 21 1 11


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Blacks do poorly. A study published in 1970 showed that black children were about three and a half times overrepresented in schools for the educationally subnormal (ESN), but this was not the case for either Indian or Pakistani children. Later in the 1970s the problem of the poor performance of black children in school became so widespread that the Government set up a committee to investigate its causes. In 1984 the committee published a report that included a paper by Nicholas Mackintosh, professor of psychology at the University of Cambridge, and his colleague Nicholas Mascie-Taylor, in which they concluded that the problem was that the average IQ of black children was 88 and that of Indians and Pakistanis 98, in relation to a white average of 100. This report – astoundingly candid for a government document – was tucked away in an appendix and has been consistently ignored.
It has also been found in Britain that blacks have high levels of male unemployment, crime, and single teenage motherhood, and are averse to marriage. Indians and Chinese have adjusted well and perform about equally with whites in these respects. Pakistanis and Bang-ladeshis have adjusted less well, probably because many of them have not yet learned English. These racial differences are similar to those in the United States, where blacks are the principal problem group while Asians are "the model minority." Behavior of this kind has a strong genetic basis, so the same differences show up in all environments.

Even successful immigrants from the Indian subcontinent and China often retain their cultural and religious identities. Significant numbers from the subcontinent are Muslims, whose primary loyalty is to Islam. Although they do not have problems of high crime, unemployment, low IQ, and illegitimacy as blacks do, their presence in large numbers changes the fabric of society and tends to undermine and displace traditional British culture.

Powell's Failure

One could draw pessimistic conclusions from the history of immigration to Britain in the second half of the century. Unlike in other Western countries, a senior mainstream politician – Enoch Powell – spoke out against non-European immigration in a forthright way and never backed down. Despite the support of the great majority of the population, Powell's warnings had no effect and the number of immigrants has continued to increase, just as he predicted.

Does this suggest that continued immigration is probably unstoppable in liberal western democracies? It is now widely predicted in the United States that whites will become a minority of the population in the second half of the twenty-first century. The same transformation is possible for Britain though the timetable for such a change is difficult to predict.

It is possible to make projections based on the increase of non-Europeans from 1962 to 1991. In spite of strict immigration controls, the rise was from approximately a third of a million in 1961 to 3 million in 1991. This is almost a tenfold gain over a thirty-year period.

Even if the growth rate of the non-European immigrant population slows, it will inevitably be substantially greater than that of whites because of its young age structure, its high fertility, and the continued arrival of dependents, illegals and asylum seekers. The 1991 census showed that while non-European immigrants were 5.5 per cent of the population, they amounted to 9.3 percent of the children through age nine. David Coleman, one of Britain's leading demographers, has estimated that in the 1990s the non-European proportion of the population was growing at about 5 percent a year, which doubles the numbers every 14 years. If this is projected forward, the number of non-Europeans can be expected to increase to around 48 million by the middle of the 21st century and would roughly equal the number of whites.

A more optimistic scenario proposed by Dr. Coleman is that the fertility of non-Europeans will fall to that of whites and that immigration will be held at around 32,000 net intake a year. On these assumptions, the non-European population will approximately double to around 6 million (11 per cent of the population) by the year 2177 and will continue to grow at about the same rate thereafter. The major unknown in these estimates is whether the government will take action to curtail the number of non-European immigrants.

Europeans are beginning to wake up to the threat mass immigration poses to their societies. This year the Freedom Party entered government in Austria and the will to maintain sanctions against it appears to be crumbling. In April, an anti-immigration coalition in Italy showed dramatic gains in local elections. The increasing appeal of nationalist parties in other European countries is another sign of opposition to immigration and to the social tensions it invariably brings. It is true that the failure of Enoch Powell's campaign shows that the political difficulties in restricting immigration are formidable but Powell himself would have looked forward to eventual success. As he once explained: "Too often today people are ready to tell us 'This is not possible, that is not possible.' I say, whatever the true interest of our country calls for is always possible. We have nothing to fear but our own doubts."

Richard Lynn is Professor Emeritus of Psychology of the University of Ulster in Northern Ireland.

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Ha Ha, just kidding.
What do you know about the stopping of unconditional immigration of British citizens to Australia? Exactly when did this happen and when did the point system begin?

Tell us all about it people?

You wanna know something more about Germany? Here, take that:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/23/1071941725861.html
You can get lesser time for rape and child molesting. Probably even for both together

I think many right wing groups are making a mistake. they seem very extreme und most people are affraid of that. it would be wiser to talk about the threat of Islam than to focus on the Jews and other non-muslim ausländer. You wrote about the turks importing women from Turkey, yes that just goes to show what a big problem they are. I still cant belive they changed the law a few years ago, and let them keep both citizenships.

Planted cell groups. Instigators, agitators, shit-stirrers, what ever you want to call them.

They are not "our" people. They are the proverbial Wolves in sheeps clothing. They aint working for the advancement of "our" goals, I can tell you that much.

If they were just innocently stupid, they would see the detrimental effect they have had on "our" movement over the years, and they would get in line.

They are trolls of the highest order. Out there for public consumption, allowing all of us to be "demonized" in the process.

I think many right wing groups are making a mistake. they seem very extreme und most people are affraid of that. it would be wiser to talk about the threat of Islam than to focus on the Jews and other non-muslim ausländer. You wrote about the turks importing women from Turkey, yes that just goes to show what a big problem they are. I still cant belive they changed the law a few years ago, and let them keep both citizenships.

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I think many right wing groups are making a mistake. they seem very extreme und most people are affraid of that.
TH:
Yes, they fall prey to the mass media who focus only on the jack boots, but never or at least only superficially report on the philosophy. Nothing scares those in power more than an intellectual Right. Some groups, however, are a model for our movement and have been relatively succesfull compared to the scary groups. My favorite, thus far, is this one:
http://www.vlaamsblok.be
I should be starting my own party. I’d have to go about finding out exactly how it’s done here in Germany or otherwise somewhere in the E.U.
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it would be wiser to talk about the threat of Islam than to focus on the Jews and other non-muslim ausländer.
TH:
They are our seen enemy and easier to focus on. Some use the strategy of allying with Europe’s “Trojan Horse” against the Jews. The problem with that is that Islam buys time, thus never disappears from the European continent at the same time multiplying like rats, invading us rather peacefully from within. If their west-asian conflict isn’t settled within a couple of generations, Europeans will become a minority in their own continent. Europe has always been the center of grass roots White movements and pograms. I can understand the intensity of which our enemies try to empower us. Recently, they have been using “Globalization” as an excuse to undermine our living standards, forcing us to buy slip-shod products. They tax us to death in order to rebuild oil rich Iraq, liquidate turd World debt and hand out welfare to them. We will soon need foreign aid, ourselves
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You wrote about the turks importing women from Turkey, yes that just goes to show what a big problem they are. I still cant belive they changed the law a few years ago, and let them keep both citizenships.
TH:
Ever more events happen that increase in unbelievability to a historic level never witnessed in the past. Looks like they’re trying to take away reality

There is a need for a new nazi-frei right in Deutschland. So long the NSDAP cast a shadow over the parties (NPD, REPS) they cant sucseed. If we want a german germany, we must we must appeal to the public rather than scare it off. It's better to hide the racism and get rid of the Judephobia. Die Juden sind nicht unser Problem jetzt, sondern die Muslim!

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There is a need for a new nazi-frei right in Deutschland. So long the NSDAP cast a shadow over the parties (NPD, REPS) they cant sucseed.
TH:
You are right about the NPD, but the NPD doesn’t recognise the REPs as being a nationalist party but as an ultra capitalist entity only further right than the CSU.
The NPD has skinhead followers as the Green Party has anarchist followers, which gives the NPD negative press. The NPD is divided on breaking with the Nazi past. A faction of theirs in 1 of the ex-GDR states (wasn’t it Mecklemburg-Vorpommern?) prefers not to break with the past. This group is only a minority
The REPs have lost votes, according to statistics, and the NPD has gained from the voting vacuum, but of course, in insignificant numbers. The DVU who publish the “National Zeitung” hasn’t to my knowledge, uttered an anti- Jewish wörd. In fact, they have written an article praising patriotic Jews for their service during the 1st Wörld War which I’ve read several years ago
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If we want a german germany, we must we must appeal to the public rather than scare it off.
TH:
I would also like a French France, a Dutch Netherlands and a British Britain but only as friendly co-operative nations to 1 another.
This time around, the Germans cannot go at it alone. They won’t do this a 3rd time. This will have to be done on either a Pan-European- or on a Pan-White level whichever comes 1st. I am almost sure that a Europe of nationalist states would do a better job uniting Europe than the EU of today. For example, the EU wished to create their own artificial currency and have subsequently done so instead of adopting 1 of these successful currencies: Deutsche Mark or British Sterling or Dutch Gulden or Swiss Frank. The EU now wishes to abolish Britain’s 700 year old “Hallmark” jewelry certification standard, instead of adopting it for the entire EU. This proves that they spend 95% of their time serving private interests instead for improvement of their member societies.
A nationalist Europe is capable of turning Europe into a US styled federalist state through genuine mutual cooperation economically and militarily. All have a common enemy.
The Trojan Horse (internally colonising Islam) must be slaughtered 1st. This will reduce the number of fronts fought, allowing us to focus on our White society which is ridden with corruption, child abuse, misapropriation of funds and all other decadence imaginable. Many Whites will have to therefore, pay the ultimate price. Just because one happens to be White, doesn’t entitle that individual to irresponsibility. An example has to be set for all. We should once again set precedents for the entire wörld.
All occupied territory must be freed “blitzkriegartig” through whatever means necessary, no matter what the rest of the wörld has to say about it or how severe the sanctions or whatever else. This territory includes Cyprus, Kosovo and the rest of the Balkan peninsula of which the latter comprises 4% of Turdkey’s territorial claim.
The NPD would like the return of the real Eastern Germany which consists of Danzig, Kaliningrad, roughly half of Poland, a percentage of both Czeck Republic and Ukraine.
Although I personally sympathise with their wishes, I also find this dangerous because this would lead to a military confrontation with nuclear-, chemical- and biologically armed Russia. Die Befreiung Europa’s von Kanaken wurde mir an der ersten Stelle sein
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It's better to hide the racism and get rid of the Judephobia. Die Juden sind nicht unser Problem jetzt, sondern die Muslim!
TH:
Why does anybody have to hide racism? Racism is a result of life’s experience due to unpleasant experiences wih certain undesireable groups who display negative traits consistant with that group. Racism serves as a defence mechanism much like our immune system which serve us by locking in on the foreign intruding object, thus destroying that foreign object, comparable to a stinger missle homing in on an intruding helicopter.
I’ve written on the Jews here:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=8505#post8505
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First of all, thank you for the thorough response.
you spoke of a pan europa, but I think its almost as ridiculous as the damn EU. Leider, it's too late because some countries (ie france, Belgium) are heavy populated with our "friends". moreover, I see no way of including southern Europeans in this union and certainly not the slaves and others who are technically in Europe (Georgeans). I know it's not in fashion, but I'm an avid supporter of the nation state...
Theoreticaly, I believe that if the French want to become a muslim state - let them (as long as the borders are closed). of course there's no chance of that, and the latest policies against the muslims prove it.


you wrote:

A nationalist Europe is capable of turning Europe into a US styled federalist state through genuine mutual cooperation economically and militarily. All have a common enemy.

- I agree, yet I see Europe as a confederacy rather than a federacy. but there are so many problems as I we stated b-4. to name a few, I can't immagine all countries joining. As for the common enemy, once again I agree, and that's why I cannot - and will not - forgive the German government for supporting the Albanians in Kossovo (amongst other things).

I share your views in regard to Danzig, Königsberg etc.

Racism is natural, but in our PC world it's not accepted. don't hide, but disguise it... ;)

[QUOTE=Ulphila]First of all, thank you for the thorough response.
you spoke of a pan europa, but I think its almost as ridiculous as the damn EU. Leider, it's too late because some countries (ie france, Belgium) are heavy populated with our "friends"

T.H.:
France and Belgium’s nationalist parties are winning more votes than those of all other west European countries perhaps with the exception of Switzerland’s SVP. France is a racial catastrophe, but France has shown potential back in 1961 against her internal Algerian problem. Furthermore, France isn’t intimidated by other west European nations, as demonstrated in EU politics. Nothings impossible here. How long do you estimate it would take to racially clean France? Calculating zero foreign interference, my estimate would be 72 hours, the majority done within 48 hours

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. moreover, I see no way of including southern Europeans in this union and certainly not the slaves and others who are technically in Europe (Georgeans).

TH:
I would group southern Europe together into a Latin confederation: This would include Romania, Moldavia and Greece as well as Spain, northern Italy, Portugal and France.
Albania, southern Italy and Sicily should be grouped together, without the Latin confederation. Southern Italy and Sicily suffer from bastardization with Arab and Turk genes. Albania also, but they are of unknown origin to me. I only know that they are ruthless criminals.
I consider anyplace west of the Urals and north of the mountains, which separate Turdkey and Georgia (caucasus?), to be European territory. Stalin was probably the poorest example of any Georgian, but his rise to power would not have happened outside a Soviet Union. In a normal society, he would have been baited. I give Georgia credit for valiantly slaughtering any Turdk attempting to invade. This way racial purity was retained.
I wouldn’t group Armenia and Georgia with the Slavs. The Slavs should have their own confederation. A Germanic confederation would exsist as a geographically latitudinal group consisting of Flanders, Netherlands, northern Luxembourg, Germany, Austria North eastern France, Tirolean Italy, Denmark, Britain, Scottland, northern Switzerland and those occupied German speaking territories mentioned in the previous reply. It’s hard imagine where to put Ireland.
The Scandinavian group would consist of Iceland, Sweden, Faroe Islands, and Norway.
Finnland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Hungary belong together

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I know it's not in fashion, but I'm an avid supporter of the nation state...
Theoreticaly, I believe that if the French want to become a muslim state - let them (as long as the borders are closed). of course there's no chance of that, and the latest policies against the muslims prove it.

TH:
The French are cheauvanistic and view their culture as being superior. The majority of ethnic French people don’t want to have a Moslem state within their borders. We should do everything we can in liberating them

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you wrote:
A nationalist Europe is capable of turning Europe into a US styled federalist state through genuine mutual cooperation economically and militarily. All have a common enemy.
- I agree, yet I see Europe as a confederacy rather than a federacy.

TH:
Could you envision the existance of a Slavic federation or a Germanic federation?
Would you model this confederation on the guidelines of confederate America or on some other?

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but there are so many problems as I we stated b-4. to name a few, I can't immagine all countries joining. As for the common enemy, once again I agree, and that's why I cannot - and will not - forgive the German government for supporting the Albanians in Kossovo (amongst other things).

TH:
The arrogant German government isn’t even asking for forgiveness

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I share your views in regard to Danzig, Königsberg etc.
Racism is natural, but in our PC world it's not accepted.

TH:
Our job is to make it acceptable

TH:
I would group southern Europe together into a Latin confederation: This would include Romania, Moldavia and Greece as well as Spain, northern Italy, Portugal and France.

- Greece? Latin? I think they are closer to the people of the middle east (basically that's where they are).

TH:
I wouldn’t group Armenia and Georgia with the Slavs. The Slavs should have their own confederation.

- of course, they are not slaves.

TH:
Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Hungary belong together.

- I disagree with you on this issue. I think the small nations of the baltics don’t really have a chance of surviving on their own, and there is no reason they will. I don't really care if they are Russified or Germanized. they are just not important. as for the Magyars, they are basically Asians. Even the Jews arrived in Europe and in the Danube basin before them... The modern Hungarians are actually a mixture of magyars and slaves, so there is no reason they won't be in that union. The Fins and Estonians are also partly Asian, but their proximity to Scandinavia and the racial mixture can well put them in the Nordic group.

TH:
Could you envision the existence of a Slavic federation or a Germanic federation?
Would you model this confederation on the guidelines of confederate America or on some other?

- I see the EU falling apart at some stage. In the not so far future, when the Muslims take over parts of Europe, I can see the white man uniting against them as he did with the Saracens. In such a case I can envision a Germanic federation, or a Germano-Slavic Confederation. I think we're heading there regardless of the Muslim issue.

I'll explain. In the past there were German principalities and big differences, ZB, zwichen saarland und nieder-saxon (there still are some). Today, its all one volk, but its also superficial. X from saarland is a German, yet his relatives consider themselves ethnic French. Basically Europe is one big mix of ethnic groups and the nationality issue is an invention and it's no problem to create a new all white "nationality". I just think it will take a very long time.

Why do I support the nation state? because it maintains a certain status quo and makes it harder for foreign elements to penetrate. Look at the non-national Habsburg monarchy: it was one huge mix up of races. The EU is going in that path, and it will go down the same way. After it fails, destroys the nation states, and leaves us with millions of Muslims, I believe there is a chance of such a white union.
The problem is, I'm not willing to wait for it to get bad, in order to get well. That's the Marxist way of thought. I think the Muslim invasion should be In other words, I'm not willing to wait until the EU falls. I want to slow it down and keep the current nation state system, in which I believe it will be easier to push out the foreign elements.

I disagree with you on this issue. I think the small nations of the baltics don’t really have a chance of surviving on their own, and there is no reason they will. I don't really care if they are Russified or Germanized. they are just not important. as for the Magyars, they are basically Asians. Even the Jews arrived in Europe and in the Danube basin before them... The modern Hungarians are actually a mixture of magyars and slaves, so there is no reason they won't be in that union. The Fins and Estonians are also partly Asian, but their proximity to Scandinavia and the racial mixture can well put them in the Nordic group.


Ummm, I lived in Hungary for four months and not once did I see a single Hungarian person that appeared to have any drop, even the slightest of Asian blood in them.

I disagree with you on this issue. I think the small nations of the baltics don’t really have a chance of surviving on their own, and there is no reason they will. I don't really care if they are Russified or Germanized.

But I bet you that those Baltic States care.

The Balts would much rather be in the German orbit (where they have historically been) than under the Russian autocratic thumb.

Plus, the Balts are composed of close and kindred races.

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Ummm, I lived in Hungary for four months and not once did I see a single Hungarian person that appeared to have any drop, even the slightest of Asian blood in them.[/QUOTE]

- As I said, the Hungarians are a racial mix of Asians ans Europeans. I don't know where you lived, but I've travelled in Hungary and Iv'e seen people with asian features, especially in the countryside.

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- Greece? Latin? I think they are closer to the people of the middle east (basically that's where they are).

TH:
Mentally, they seem to be that way, but they occupy territory in Europe. Their gööd to have around as a human border with Turdkey

Quoting TH:
Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Hungary belong together.
Response to TH’s quote:

- I disagree with you on this issue. I think the small nations of the baltics don’t really have a chance of surviving on their own, and there is no reason they will. I don't really care if they are Russified or Germanized. they are just not important.

TH:
I don’t think that they deserved the suffering imposed by the Soviets. They’ve been loyal allies of the Germans. The Estonians were the most productive country under the Soviet yoke, supplying them with sophisticated electrical and electronic items. It would be immoral to throw them to the Slavs again.
I think that they should be praised for making it hard for Russians to stay there. The EU applied pressure on Estonia to quit this practise

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The modern Hungarians are actually a mixture of magyars and slaves, so there is no reason they won't be in that union.

TH:
I doubt that they have much Slavic genes, if at all. It is more likely that they have Turdkish genes which were injected with hundreds of years of forcible rape during their occupation there

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The Fins and Estonians are also partly Asian, but their proximity to Scandinavia and the racial mixture can well put them in the Nordic group.

TH:
Finns, Estonians and Magyars share the same basic language group which is otherwise unrelated to Germanic Scandinavian languages

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The problem is, I'm not willing to wait for it to get bad, in order to get well. That's the Marxist way of thought. I think the Muslim invasion should be In other words, I'm not willing to wait until the EU falls. I want to slow it down and keep the current nation state system, in which I believe it will be easier to push out the foreign elements.

TH:
I would like to help you achieve these goals.
What are the forces behind the distribution of Moslems throughout north western Europe?
Why do the have preferred status above that of White eastern European peoples?
For example, I know an ethnic Aryan lööking Russian woman who’s husband is ethnic German and they have a son. The husband died of skin cancer and not long after burial, the authorities sent her a letter telling her how short her time to stay here is. Because her husband died before the mandatory 3 year period, she lost her right to stay even though, by law, her son is German
1- who will raise the child when the mother gets deported?
2- Why are conditions different for Turks? Kreuzberg, Berlin is full of them and only 40% of wörking age Kreuzberstambuler wörk
3- What is the most effective way to achieve your goals?
I copied this from the NPD’s “Deutsche Stimme” web site and distributed to e-mail adresses in Switzerland, before the Autumn elections:

„Die Türkei ist kein europäisches Land!“
Valléry Giscard
> d`Estaing (Präsident des EU-Konvents, ehem. französischer
Staatspräsident)
> Wenn es nach dem Willen der Politiker geht, rückt der Beitritt der
Türkei
> zur Europäischen Union (EU) in bedrohliche Nähe. Auf dem EU-
Gipfeltreffen
> von Kopenhagen wurde beschlossen, im Jahr 2004 die Vorverhandlungen und im
> Jahr 2007 die endgültigen Beitrittsverhandlungen mit dem
orientalischen
> Land aufzunehmen. Schon im Jahr 2010 könnte nach Aussagen von EU-
Sprecher
> Javier Solana die türkische Vollmitgliedschaft in dem von immer mehr
> Bürgern als Bedrohung empfundenen EU-Staatengebilde vollzogen werden.
Der
> geplante EU-Beitritt der Türkei beweist: Europa wird heute von
> verantwortungslosen Politikern regiert, denen das Wohl ihrer Völker
nichts
> mehr bedeutet.

Nein zur Islamisierung Europas!

Schon heute sind die
> Millionen türkischer Gastarbeiter ein Sprengsatz für unser
> krisengeschütteltes Land. Der Türkei ist aus geographischen,
> wirtschaftlichen, kulturellen und völkischen Gesichtspunkten eine EU-
> Mitgliedschaft zu verwehren. 97 % des türkischen Territoriums
gehören zu
> Asien. In der Türkei leben z.Zt. 66 Mio. Menschen, die sich auf 47
> verschiedene ethnische Gruppen verteilen und zu 99 % dem Islam
angehören.
> Durch die hohe Geburtenrate ist mit einem Bevölkerungszuwachs auf bis
zu
> 90 Mio. im Jahr 2013 zu rechnen. Bevölkerungspolitisch betrachtet ist
> damit die Türkei eine Bedrohung für die alternden, schrumpfenden
Völker
> Europas.

Massengrab für Euro-Milliarden!

Die Türkei ist
> wirtschaftlich am Ende. Die Inflationsrate beträgt unvorstellbare 57
%,
> das Haushaltsdefizit 28 % und die Staatsverschuldung liegt bei 123 %. Das
> Bruttoinlandsprodukt liegt bei 5.200 Euro, das der EU immerhin bei 23.200
> Euro. Durch Transferleistungen werden in der EU die „Reichen“
geschröpft
> und die „Armen“ aufgepäppelt. Die BRD ist mit 15 Mrd. Euro schon heute
der
> größte EU-Nettozahler. Die Osterweiterung um Polen, Tschechien,
Ungarn,
> Litauen, Lettland, Estland, Slowakei, Slowenien, Malta, Zypern sowie
> Rumänien und Bulgarien im Jahr 2007 kostet nach Planungen der EU-
> Kommission 41 Mrd. Euro; die Kosten werden insgesamt auf 700 Mrd. Euro
für
> die nächsten sieben Jahre geschätzt. Hinzu kämen weitere 20
Mrd. Euro für
> die ersten Jahre nach einem Beitritt der Türkei! Die nahezu bankrotte
BRD
> hätte nach dem aktuellen EU-Beitragsschlüssel davon allein einen
Anteil
> von fünf Mrd. Euro zu tragen.
Kein Wunder, daß Deutschland finanziell
> kollabiert. Ob Afghanistan, Israel oder der Balkan, die Bundesregierung
> übernimmt immer wieder neue Verpflichtungen. Anstatt unser dramatisch
> verschuldetes Land zu entlasten, wird es wegen seines Haushaltsdefizits
> von Brüssel immer wieder mit Bußgeldern bedroht. Doch die
Regierung
> reduziert nicht etwa die Fremdlasten, sondern quetscht den Steuerzahler
> erbarmungslos aus. Die Deutschen werden bald solange arbeiten müssen,
bis
> Rentenbescheid und Todesurkunde das gleiche Datum tragen!
Übrigens:
> Allein die EU-Osterweiterung mit einer Niederlassungsfreiheit für 75
Mio.
> Osteuropäer bedeutet nach Schätzungen des Wirtschaftsinstituts
„ifo“ eine
> Belastung von bis zu 6 Mio. auf den Arbeitsmarkt drängender
Rumänen und
> Polen! Kaum verwunderlich, daß vor allem Vertreter von Industrie und
> Wirtschaft für einen EU-Beitritt plädieren. Schließlich
ließen sich durch
> ein millionenfaches Arbeitslosenheer gnadenlos Sozialdumping und
> Lohndrückerei durchsetzen.

In wessen Interesse liegt der EU-Beitritt
> der Türkei?

Es liegt vor allem im Interesse der USA, den Konkurrenten
> Europa auszuschalten. Die EU soll zu Tode erweitert werden. Die
> Zuwanderung nicht integrierbarer Asiaten wird zu wirtschaftlichen Krisen,
> zum Zusammenbruch der Sozialsysteme und zu großen ethnischen
Konflikten
> führen. Mit einem Beitritt der Türkei würden der
Kurdenkonflikt und andere
> Pulverfässer des Nahen Ostens noch stärker als heute nach Europa
verlagert
> werden. Europa soll destabilisiert werden, damit es handlungsunfähig
wird.
> Alles, was Europa schwächt, stärkt die
Weltherrschaftsbestrebungen der
> USA!

Nein zu Niederlassungsfreiheit und doppelter Staatsbürgerschaft!
> Rund 70 Mio. Türken hätten als EU-Bürger
Niederlassungsfreiheit in jedem
> Mitgliedsland. Schon heute suchen Millionen Türken wegen der
> katastrophalen Wirtschaftslage im Ausland nach Arbeit. Bei offiziell 7,4
> Mio. Ausländern stellen die Türken mit 2,5 Mio. die
größte Volksgruppe in
> Deutschland – und 10 bis 12 Millionen weiterer Türken sitzen
längst auf
> gepackten Koffern.
In vielen Großstädten wie Berlin, Köln und
> Frankfurt/M. gibt es Schulklassen, die zu 100 % aus Ausländerkindern
> bestehen. Schutzgelderpressung, Drogenhandel und Prostitution befinden
> sich in den Händen ausländischer Banden. Der türkische
Anteil an
> Ausländer-Straftaten liegt laut Kriminalstatistik des BKA bei 20,5 %.
Und
> dies, obwohl 1,9 Mio. Türken, die zwischen 1989–2001 eingebürgert
wurden,
> nicht mehr in der Ausländerstatistik aufgeführt werden. Auch ohne
eine EU-
> Mitgliedschaft werden übrigens bis 2050 in Deutschland 10 Mio.
Türken
> leben – dann größtenteils mit deutschem Paß. Ihnen werden
nur noch 50 Mio.
> Deutsche gegenüberstehen.
Schon heute haben Türken mit doppelter
> Staatsangehörigkeit großen Einfluß auf die Politik. So
waren bei der
> Bundestagswahl 2002 ihre Stimmen das entscheidende Zünglein an der
Waage
> für den Fortbestand der Regierung Schröder! Wenn die Deutschen,
die es
> noch sein wollen, nicht endlich gegen die Umvolkung ihrer Heimat
> politischen Widerstand leisten, werden bald Fremde vollends über
unsere
> Geschicke bestimmen.

Ausländerrückführung statt weiterer Zuwanderung!
> Mit tatsächlich ca. 9,5 Mio. Ausländern ist die BRD schon heute
de facto
> ein Einwanderungsland. Die Verantwortung hierfür tragen nicht nur SPD,
PDS
> und Grüne, sondern vor allem auch die CDU/CSU, die in 16 Jahren Kohl-
> Regierung Wegbereiter für die millionenfache Zuwanderung war. Allein
seit
> 1991 ist der Ausländeranteil um 46 % gestiegen! Nach Berichten der
> Enquête-Kommission des Bundestages wird der Ausländeranteil in
Deutschland
> im Jahr 2010 bereits bei 25 % und im Jahr 2050 bei 38 % liegen.
> Inzwischen haben viele Bevölkerungswissenschaftler erkannt, daß
die
> Integrationspolitik der Multi-Kulti-Phantasten gescheitert ist. Nach ihren
> Berechnungen kostet die Integration eines Ausländers monatlich ca. 500
> Euro. Bis ein Ausländerkind volljährig ist, verursacht dies
Kosten von bis
> zu 240.000 Euro. Allen Integrationsbemühungen zum Trotz bilden sich
aber
> in den Großstädten immer mehr Ausländerghettos, weil sich
die Ausländer
> nicht ihrer Identität berauben und zwangsgermanisieren lassen wollen.
> Volksabstimmung jetzt – Endlich wieder Herr im eigenen Haus werden!

Das
> Volk wurde nicht befragt, als es um die Massenzuwanderung von
Ausländern
> nach Deutschland, um die Einführung des Euros, um die Osterweiterung
der
> EU oder um die doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft ging. Auch heute soll das
Volk
> nicht befragt werden, wenn es darum geht, den Untergang der
europäischen
> Völker zu besiegeln. Immer wurde über unsere Köpfe hinweg
entschieden.
> Dies hat mit Demokratie längst nichts mehr zu tun! Bei den
entscheidenden
> Lebensfragen muß die Meinung des Volkes Gehör finden. Deshalb
fordern wir
> eine Volksabstimmung zur geplanten Mitgliedschaft der Türkei in der
EU.
> Wenn Sie sich über diese Flugschrift hinaus über aktuelle
Hintergründe der
> EU-Osterweiterung, des geplanten Beitritts der Türkei oder aber
allgemein
> über das politische Zeitgeschehen informieren wollen, fordern Sie noch
> heute ein Probeexemplar der Monatszeitung Deutsche Stimme an – Lesen Sie
> hier aus erster Hand, was Ihnen Ihre Tageszeitung garantiert verschweigt!
> Informieren Sie sich über die vielfältigen Möglichkeiten,
sich aktiv dafür
> einzusetzen, daß endlich wieder die Interessen des deutschen Volkes
in den
> Mittelpunkt der Politik gestellt werden!

Deutschland muß wieder deutsch
> werden!
Deutsche wehrt Euch – Nein zum EU-Beitritt der Türkei!

TH:
I would .............................. I want to slow it down and keep the current nation state system, in which I believe it will be easier to push out the foreign elements.




There are a few things we could peacefully do to speed up the downfall of the German regime or any other which uses a similar economic system. This could prove effective if all patriots would do this together:
1- Put off buying anything you don’t absolutely need for everyday survival.
These include automobiles, homes, luxury items all the way down to electric razors and bicycles. When you stop buying, you send a signal to the government that you are not confident with what they are doing. By excercising your purchasing power, you apply immense psychological pressure on those in power. The statistics for economic growth will show a drastic fall and domestic unemployment in the service sector will rise, causing a fall in consumer confidence of even those who refuse to participate in what you are doing. Shareholders will become dissatisfied. This will have a snowball effect on even governmental finances which mean either an increase in taxes to compensate for the loss of revenue which you are causing, or to a reduction of public services which will lead to even more voter inconfidence or both.
2- Learn repairing things yourself or else pool neighbors and friends or members in your clubs together and appoint a member for each type of repair and pay him or her instead of bringing the item into the economy to get repaired. If 1 in your group is good with electronics, bring your Television and radios to him.
The same goes for your auto repairs or sewing needs. Avoid buying a new items at all costs
3- Avoid purchasing globalized products, even if they are less expensive, if the aforementioned items cannot be repaired cheaper than the cost of a new 1. To buy a globalized item would be not only unforgivable, this practise is also unpractical and more expensive in the long run, because these items are not built to last and you will end up buying several of them in your lifetime instead of only 1 good German item
4- Reduce your telephone communication and instead reach people through the internet, writing off-line. These are savings of a few coins, but they add up in the long run
5- Accumulate as many e-mail adresses as possible and start a mass-mailing campaign urging people to protest vote. You could even use this to get English speakers to join the forum. A service which can handle up to 20 adresses at a time: www.spray.no If you have problems with the Norwegian language, I will be more than eager to help you use this account. Does anybody out there know of similar services which accommodate a large number of adresses?

I'll start from the last message.


1- Put off buying anything you don’t absolutely need for everyday survival.
2- Learn repairing things yourself...
3- Avoid purchasing globalized products...
4- Reduce your telephone communication and instead reach people through the internet...
5-Accumulate as many e-mail adresses as possible and start a mass-mailing campaign urging people to protest vote.


I loved your ideas, but I think this passive struggle is doomed in modern ultra-liberal society, where the the individual comes before the collective. Basically, we have here a "Prisoner's Dillema" ( http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html ), and I fear we are heading towards a self-goal.
The NPD information is frightening, but it's not new to me. I think parties like the NPD are important, because they shift the mainstreem parties towrads the right. However, in addition, there is a need to join those mainstreem parties (in Germany the CDU/CSU), and to influence policies from the inside. Naturlich, in order to be influential, it's better to "keep low" in the first stage, and moderate some possitions. Sometimes, if you want to achieve your interests, you must collaborate with elements you despise. That's politics, and there is no better way of doing it...
The change has to be slow and gradual, because the era of revolution is over for Europe. However, as long as there are groups like the NPD, everyone is reminded that there is a problem, and that it has to be dealt with. Those groups are important, but once again, I, personally, prefer to operate from within mainstreem politics.

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I loved your ideas, but I think this passive struggle is doomed in modern ultra-liberal society, where the the individual comes before the collective. Basically, we have here a "Prisoner's Dillema" ( http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html ), and I fear we are heading towards a self-goal.

T.H.:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you, but I don’t think that capitulation is the answer either. I personally adhere to the above rules without compromise. I believe that this is to be included with the other basic unwritten laws of nationalist living. These include the rejection of Wigger clothing, buying gööds only from nationalist Whites (where possible) etc… This thread has been viewed by more individuals than I have expected, which isn’t a bleak sign in my view.
If enough people would live up to these rules, perhaps some amount of influence could result.
Regardless of what the media tells us, one can see the developments in local society.
The “Edeka” market near us is closing down, for example. The clerk told me that sales have been declining in the past 3 months. This proves that consumers are posting their no-confidence votes, the Lemmings that they are, and are snuffing their hunger pangs at low price “Penny Markt” and “Aldi” down the road. Unfortunately, at elections they will hunt back and forth between established parties instead of following the noble French example of casting a protest vote. Furthermore, small businesses have been failing on a gradual increase, reinforcing my findings

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However, in addition, there is a need to join those mainstreem parties (in Germany the CDU/CSU), and to influence policies from the inside. Naturlich, in order to be influential, it's better to "keep low" in the first stage, and moderate some possitions. Sometimes, if you want to achieve your interests, you must collaborate with elements you despise. That's politics, and there is no better way of doing it...

TH:
You yourself have said that there is no time to allow things to get wörse before they get better (the Marxist way) therefore, please don’t be offended if I disagree with you on that point. These established parties have their agenda and represent a group of technocrats who have no real interest in this nation, except for their own personal interests. If the NPD were to eventually take power, these Technocrats will be the next to be removed after the sub-Humans vanish. You don’t want to be caught in their ranks, because wörld events have proven unpredictable and revolutions have been thought impossible until they happened. Don’t underestimate the power of an empty stomach.
The technocrats don’t live in the ghettos and their children attend private schools which attempt teaching only a fraction of the sub-human element otherwise attending public schools. This minority of Subs in their private schools are there as symbolic mascots to create an illusion for the voting sub-Human faction.
The French still show signs of revolution in their blood therefore, I will try to convey the message to the German people anyhow, as vain as it may be. This is my way of wörking within the system.
I’m stuck here, thus if I establish a European nationalist political party, I must do it here in Germany. Have you any idea on how I must go about it?

I am not sure , I know that , in Germany is applied something called "Jus Sanguinis" as the principal princip when giving Citizen status, This relates to bloodline meaning that bloodline counts most when it comes to becomming a German citizen . But I do not know the law so specifically that I can tell you if having a German father makes Germany think it got the right to count an American born (or whater) as a German citizen - but I seriously doubt it.......

FIAT LUX


Himmler thought that if you had a German mother that would be sufficient to be a good German. He wanted them all to come to Germany during WWII. That being said it's obvious that it was the same kind of rules as is for the Jews in Israel past and presently today: the matriarchal line. If your mother is Jewish you are Jewish. If your father is Jewish you are not etc... I'm American have German through the matriarchal line but since I have never been to Germany maybe I am wrong in my assessment. However, I think a matriarchal German mother counts for more than having a German father. X chromosones tend to have the most mutations that make a people distinctly well a people I think.. Y chromosones from the Patriarch are more stable. I'm just speculating of course because I have no idea about the current day rules of Jus Sanguinis.

I know the NPD expects you to have both a German mother and Father.

Cheers



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I just left Frankfurt...I watched it on and off for 8 years........The TURKS have taken over and are distroying the major cities in Germany just like we let our Cities here get taken over and destroyed........ Without a plague, sorry boys, we are done.....................Glad im old..................

I just left Frankfurt...I watched it on and off for 8 years........The TURKS have taken over and are distroying the major cities in Germany just like we let our Cities here get taken over and destroyed........ Without a plague, sorry boys, we are done.....................Glad im old..................
Glad you're old?! Do you want to croak before the bloodshed starts? Why miss out on all the deportations, executions and race trials? The longer it takes to get there, the bloodier. Hey, guess what? as of this posting, I'm a senior. Whoop-dee-doo!

How many Turks are there in Germany now, compared to the rest of the population?
Even 1 is too many. Germany’s Californication has begun in the middle 60’s. Funny, that only 15 years after the war, the new government voluntarily introduces the identical symptoms which led to the war in the 1st place.
The answer to your question was already discussed in December, of course before your enrollment. You could back-track on this issue by looking up “Turk Hunter”’s prior posts in the “Germany update” thread or post private messages to Uphila, Erich, Hearns and any other Germans. I mention private messaging, because if you post your questions publically, chances are your intended recipients may not visit the particular thread in which you posted or at least not within a reasonable time frame.

Hallo! a few days ago I wrote a long response, and as I was about to finnish - my computer got stuck (if I knew more about computers, I would have used Linux :) ).

You yourself have said that there is no time to allow things to get wörse before they get better (the Marxist way) therefore, please don’t be offended if I disagree with you on that point. These established parties have their agenda and represent a group of technocrats who have no real interest in this nation, except for their own personal interests. If the NPD were to eventually take power, these Technocrats will be the next to be removed after the sub-Humans vanish. You don’t want to be caught in their ranks, because wörld events have proven unpredictable and revolutions have been thought impossible until they happened. Don’t underestimate the power of an empty stomach.
The technocrats don’t live in the ghettos and their children attend private schools which attempt teaching only a fraction of the sub-human element otherwise attending public schools. This minority of Subs in their private schools are there as symbolic mascots to create an illusion for the voting sub-Human faction.
The French still show signs of revolution in their blood therefore, I will try to convey the message to the German people anyhow, as vain as it may be. This is my way of wörking within the system.
I’m stuck here, thus if I establish a European nationalist political party, I must do it here in Germany. Have you any idea on how I must go about it?

Alles klar, but! Being a good politician means often to comprimise with your ideology and targets. Even Hitler did it. The name of the game is patiance and planning ahead. Of course I feel we have no time to waste. That's why I support the exsistance of groups like the NPD, who make lots of noise. However, they have no chance of sucseeding in politics. In order to succeed, you need to use good marketing skills. think as if you are selling a product to the public, and try to make it as appealing as you can. I think the best current example is Italy's Gianfranco Fini, who said in 1994 that Mussolini is "the greatest statesman of the century".
Read the following article:
Italy's Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini, long considered persona non-grata by Israel for his neo-fascist background, condemned the 'shameful chapters' in his country's history as he visited Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial site this morning. Fini laid a wreath during a remembrance ceremony for the victims of the Holocaust. During his visit in Israel the Italian Deputy Prime Minister will meet with various dignitaries representing the Israeli government; amoung them, PM Ariel Sharon, President Moshe Katsav and Foreign Minister Sylvan Shalom.
(Story by CIAimages/Bernard Lalizou)
Israel and the Jews don't pose a threat to Europe (unlike the Turks etc), however to many in the Italian right it seems like a betrayal. Alessandra mussolini and her friends split from Fini over the issue of denouncing the past. But they have no chance of becoming a strong party, whereas Fini is legitimate and popular more than ever. Did he betray Mussolini? Maybe, but his ultimate goal is more important, and I believe he will succeed. Our dear Alexandra, on the other hand, can keep posing nude.
http://www.sognoweb.com/pornostar/mussolini/014.jpg

a link to the whole issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3382151.stm

Hallo! a few days ago I wrote a long response, and as I was about to finnish - my computer got stuck (if I knew more about computers, I would have used Linux :) ).


Alles klar, but! Being a good politician means often to comprimise with your ideology and targets. Even Hitler did it. The name of the game is patiance and planning ahead. Of course I feel we have no time to waste. That's why I support the exsistance of groups like the NPD, who make lots of noise. However, they have no chance of sucseeding in politics. In order to succeed, you need to use good marketing skills. think as if you are selling a product to the public, and try to make it as appealing as you can. I think the best current example is Italy's Gianfranco Fini, who said in 1994 that Mussolini is "the greatest statesman of the century".
Read the following article:
Italy's Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini, long considered persona non-grata by Israel for his neo-fascist background, condemned the 'shameful chapters' in his country's history as he visited Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial site this morning. Fini laid a wreath during a remembrance ceremony for the victims of the Holocaust. During his visit in Israel the Italian Deputy Prime Minister will meet with various dignitaries representing the Israeli government; amoung them, PM Ariel Sharon, President Moshe Katsav and Foreign Minister Sylvan Shalom.
(Story by CIAimages/Bernard Lalizou)
Israel and the Jews don't pose a threat to Europe (unlike the Turks etc), however to many in the Italian right it seems like a betrayal. Alessandra mussolini and her friends split from Fini over the issue of denouncing the past. But they have no chance of becoming a strong party, whereas Fini is legitimate and popular more than ever. Did he betray Mussolini? Maybe, but his ultimate goal is more important, and I believe he will succeed. Our dear Alexandra, on the other hand, can keep posing nude.
http://www.sognoweb.com/pornostar/mussolini/014.jpg

a link to the whole issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3382151.stm
What’s wrong with the NPD rising to power? Are you personally threatened by this? I don’t see it fit to simply use a group of people solely for the purpose of putting pressure on governing parties without rewarding them, somehow. I think you are afraid of radically changing the status quo. One can’t surgically remove the Turks without reforming elsewhere. What about abolishing the civil service law (Beamtergesetze)? It is probably the anti-Capitalist stance which you probably find threatening. I suspect that you must either be earning good money or are probably a Jew, otherwise the NPD could not personally threaten you. Furthermore, I don’t think that the NPD wants to exterminate Jews, but if they deport those low-life Soviet Jew parasites, I’d be more than thankful.
Go over to Linux. That's a good idea. Stop supporting Bill Gayts.
Sexy Mussolini pic. Her skin isn't as nice as that of Queen Elizabeth II at that age, though.

What’s wrong with the NPD rising to power? Are you personally threatened by this? I don’t see it fit to simply use a group of people solely for the purpose of putting pressure on governing parties without rewarding them, somehow. I think you are afraid of radically changing the status quo. One can’t surgically remove the Turks without reforming elsewhere. What about abolishing the civil service law (Beamtergesetze)? It is probably the anti-Capitalist stance which you probably find threatening. I suspect that you must either be earning good money or are probably a Jew, otherwise the NPD could not personally threaten you. Furthermore, I don’t think that the NPD wants to exterminate Jews, but if they deport those low-life Soviet Jew parasites, I’d be more than thankful.
Go over to Linux. That's a good idea. Stop supporting Bill Gayts.
Sexy Mussolini pic. Her skin isn't as nice as that of Queen Elizabeth II at that age, though.

I am afffraid of quick radical solutions, because they often go out of control. I'm not very rich, yet I have money. I admit. But I'm not affraid of the NPD. I just think there is no way they can rise to power without have a terrible situation before that. As I said before, I would not like to have the country going to rubble in order for it to get good!
I think the Soviet Jews have no right to come to Germany, and should be deported back home. I understand the guilt, but enough is enough. About the Turks (and other people of colour), I don't have an immidiate solution to clean up Europe from them. There was a good solution in the past, but may I remind you what devistation it brought to Germany and Europe? Are you willing to go through that again? I think not, and I think whoever loves Europe - isn't either.

Once again, I believe the NPD is an important factor because it sends a signal to the immigratns that they are ausländer and not welcome to stay. It also drags the political system to the right, which is also a benefit. However, despite you arguments, I don't believe the NPD is the sole solution.

I am afffraid of quick radical solutions, because they often go out of control. I'm not very rich, yet I have money. I admit. But I'm not affraid of the NPD. I just think there is no way they can rise to power without have a terrible situation before that. As I said before, I would not like to have the country going to rubble in order for it to get good!
I think the Soviet Jews have no right to come to Germany, and should be deported back home. I understand the guilt, but enough is enough. About the Turks (and other people of colour), I don't have an immidiate solution to clean up Europe from them. There was a good solution in the past, but may I remind you what devistation it brought to Germany and Europe? Are you willing to go through that again? I think not, and I think whoever loves Europe - isn't either.

Once again, I believe the NPD is an important factor because it sends a signal to the immigratns that they are ausländer and not welcome to stay. It also drags the political system to the right, which is also a benefit. However, despite you arguments, I don't believe the NPD is the sole solution.
You write that foreigners are unwanted here, but if so, why do Germans still shop by them? There are ever more of these small family run businesses popping up, either “Döner Kebap”, Kiosks or vegetable stores as the German family businesses gradually disappear. How do we win this battle when the majority of citizens vote with their money in this way?
In large cities, the Moslems even have their own used automobile lots and run their own vehicle safety inspections (T.U.V.). Mannheim, Frankfurt and Berlin are probably the most notorious cities for this. It’s been known that the Police visit brothels which are run by these Untermenschen, fully knowing that illegal White prostitutes of eastern European origin including underaged girls are available for sex. Many of these girls are lured to Germany under promises of taking on jobs as “Au Pain” (nannies) girls, hotel workers or likewise labor only to have their Passport stolen and forced to undergo gang raping and severe beatings to break their will. This national masochistic society knows this fact well, but continue spending their money with those people. How do we stop this?

You write that foreigners are unwanted here, but if so, .......taking on jobs as “Au Pain” (nannies) girls, ........
It’s “Au Pair” shit dip, not “Au Pain”. Pain in French means (fart) bread. Oh shit, I hope no ladies heard that. Gotta go. €*~+’#@ß!

Germany pays out 22 billion Euros (23 billion dollars?) yearly in transfair allowances to Brussel’s EU budget.

You write that foreigners are unwanted here, but if so, why do Germans still shop by them? ....... This national masochistic society knows this fact well, but continue spending their money with those people. How do we stop this?

In US we call such a big problem a "$20,000 question." You're essentially dealing with the very nature of White folks as unable to organize to resist aliens.

I would start by finding a few good Turk-hating Greeks and asking them to come up and tell the Germans what absolute swine the Ottoman Turks were as conquerors. Just the usual -- burning churches, raping, looting, exploiting. Did I mention the Ottomans imported the Jews to Greece to administer their looting, slave trading, and money changing? A big community existed until Kurt Waldheim and the other fine fellows of the Protection Staff kindly deported them. The German occupation of Greece caused a famine, but this generous act of genuine social reform has not gone un-appreciated by the Greeks who would probably never have been able to remove the infestation as well as the heroes of the Third Reich.

But then again such sentiments may be illegal in Germany.

How about watching "Midnight Express" instead? That shows the Turks like they are -- dirty, cruel, sodomitic swine. Oh, "Lawrence of Arabia" kind of touches on that too.

In US we call such a big problem a "$20,000 question." You're essentially dealing with the very nature of White folks as unable to organize to resist aliens.

I would start by finding a few good Turk-hating Greeks and asking them to come up and tell the Germans what absolute swine the Ottoman Turks were as conquerors. Just the usual -- burning churches, raping, looting, exploiting. Did I mention the Ottomans imported the Jews to Greece to administer their looting, slave trading, and money changing? A big community existed until Kurt Waldheim and the other fine fellows of the Protection Staff kindly deported them. The German occupation of Greece caused a famine, but this generous act of genuine social reform has not gone un-appreciated by the Greeks who would probably never have been able to remove the infestation as well as the heroes of the Third Reich.

But then again such sentiments may be illegal in Germany.

How about watching "Midnight Express" instead? That shows the Turks like they are -- dirty, cruel, sodomitic swine. Oh, "Lawrence of Arabia" kind of touches on that too.
I saw the movie when it came out way back when. There's a new movie out themed on the Armenian Question. I'll look it up.

Did I mention the Ottomans imported the Jews to Greece to administer their looting, slave trading, and money changing? ..................Oh, "Lawrence of Arabia" kind of touches on that too.
Some German told me that the Turks settled Kurds into the property left vacant by the slaughtered Armenians.
I’ve read that the Turks contracted this holocaust to the Kurds.
I always wondered as to how the Jews were able to peacefully co-exist with the turks within Turkish borders while Christians were continually persecuted.
"Lawrence of Arabia" was a notorious masochistic homosexual who couldn't get enuff

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I would start by finding a few good Turk-hating Greeks and asking them to come up and tell the Germans what absolute swine the Ottoman Turks were as conquerors. Just the usual -- burning churches, raping, looting, exploiting...........................

I knew a Greek who was well aware of history. Since then, I haven’t met any here. This would be different, if I dwelled in a sizable city, instead of this Mickey-Mouse artificial eunuchversity town. I’ll see if I can find some Greek cultural center here. As far as I know, there is a Croatian one. The problem with them and Serbs is that age old sectarian feud between groups of almost identical race. They hold bitter grudges and are surprisingly mean to one another. Since I have a Slavic ancestral lineage from 1 of my parent’s side, I have no problems in dealing with any Slavs, since my ancestors never have had any genocidal background against other Slavs. This is not to say that I like them over other Europeans. In fact, Slavs disappoint me, in many respects. Former Yugoslavs are usually tight lipped when Balkan issues are mentioned. Croats will not even exchange words with Serbs, but worse yet, are icey when confronted with the “Turk-Albanian Problem” unless you happen to know them very well. I have an uncle who evades this issue altogether, so it’s no surprise that the Trojan Horse has very few obstacles down the road to Europe. Former Yugoslavs mingle with the Germans, so if anybody can influence the Germans by pointing the finger at and naming the Turk, they can.
Greeks, on the other hand, aren’t mean people who viciously hold grudges, but they do not near the Germans who they consider the enemy. There was a case here where a group of skin heads severely attacked a Greek who stood out because of his Med features. A pack of Turks walking by jumped in and helped the Greek, im sure without the knowledge that the victim wasn’t a Turk. This event was instrumentised by the opportunist media, thus unintentionally benefitted the Turks by accidentally getting the greeks to ally with them, however these alliances sadly reflect the extent to where Meds and Muds reject Nordic societies, at the same time, picking the raisons out of the bowl and leaving the cereal untouched. They hate it here, but enjoy generous welfare which allows them to produce numerous offspring at the costs of the host. Greeks don’t have large families, so it wouldn’t be fair to include them in that last remark. This country is a society of parallel societies and rapid demographic change can be witnessed in metropoles here.

Would you mind telling what sort of Slavic ancestory you have?

Would you mind telling what sort of Slavic ancestory you have?
South east

South east

Well, that could be just about anything! :D

Let me venture a guess: Croatian.

Well, that could be just about anything! :D

Let me venture a guess: Croatian.
Croatian is south west. Put your glasses on & try again

Croatian is south west. Put your glasses on & try again

It's South East from Austria.

Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania :confused:

http://www.commondreams.org/kosovo/kosovoimages/balkansregion.gif

It's South East from Austria.

Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania :confused:

http://www.commondreams.org/kosovo/kosovoimages/balkansregion.gif
Romania is out of the question, because it's not Slav. FYROM is a US military euphamism for Macedonia which was once joined to Bulgaria. Bulgaria it is

Romania is out of the question, because it's not Slav. FYROM is a US military euphamism for Macedonia which was once joined to Bulgaria. Bulgaria it is


Romanians are in essence Latinized Slavs.

Romanians are in essence Latinized Slavs.
Their Latinization began with Byzantium. They have a high percentage of Latin genes and speak a form of Latin. For this reason, I would not equal them to their neighbors

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...,282636,00.html
50 million EUROs which could otherwise be spent here before this becomes Africa too.
:mad:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...,282636,00.html
50 million EUROs which could otherwise be spent here before this becomes Africa too.
:mad:
I found something in English:
http://www.binational-in.de/phorum/...f=5&t=3423&a=1&

:) you have prior wrote, that ....

91.5 % of the Population in Germany are native Germans, so this leaves only a minority of 8.5 % of "Not-Germans"

so, why cannot 91.5 % just do that: ....ASS KICK'n .....

...or, are most of them so brainwashed to become "chickens" ???

I'am really, really pissed off every time, I do have seen or heared a complaining turk!

....if they dont like it in germany, they can leave, and can go back into turkey to do "camel-back-riding"!

I 'am just believing, that if a foreigner is in a foreign country, he or she or they just have to blend in with the general population and dont complain!

I dont like that here in America either, if foreigners complain!

America is a great country, and Germany could be too!...if they were able to get rid of their problems!

God bless America and Germany!

Mit deutschen Grüssen.... :)