http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5072664.stm

The big stones that make up Stonehenge probably was never carried by Bronze Age people from Wales, as previously believed. GLACIERS may have been responsible for the stones shifting across the land to S. England and then made there.

I remember reading a something about Stonehenge years ago, like in the 60s, and the author said his non-scientist wife suggested that the stones had been been transported by being pulled over snow, which he promoted as a very clever 'solving' of the mystery. Even though I thought that was stupid, I never forgot the image, and now it seems it wasn't far wrong. I bet the scientists knew the whole time that glaciers were the most likely transport. So much for 100 years of socially useless speculation that made many a clever judy rich.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5072664.stm

The big stones that make up Stonehenge probably was never carried by Bronze Age people from Wales, as previously believed. GLACIERS may have been responsible for the stones shifting across the land to S. England and then made there.

In that case why have those stones only been found at the location of Stonehenge instead of bring scattered all along a supposed glacial pathway?.

The physical principle of regelation also gets in the way of the glacial deposition theory.

I don't think that this new kosher degenerate theory is very likely. I am not sure where Stonehenge is in Britain but the southern parts never had glaciers. It was not built by the Welsh, no one ever said that it was, it was built by prehistoric people before the Welsh came.

It was important for prehistoric peoples who farmed and had built up fairly sophisticated societies, plenty of food from farming, yet had little high technology or buying/selling of wealth, to use up their labor surplus. Otherwise they had a lot of fighting and war.

Anyway this bullshit new theory reminds me of the similar new theories that when the English came to England they did not kill most of the Welsh and chase the rest away, but they actually lived in peace and harmony with them and interbred with them and shared their women and food and held hands and sung around the campfire. So really the English people are just Welsh and so on and so on. It's pretty obvious what the motivation of this new article is. In a few years I guess there will be a great scientific discovery by a British university that Stonehenge was built by ancient niggers who used to live in the U.K. and built its roads etc.

http://www.michaelbradley.info/books/hotair/curragharticle.jpg

Michael Bradley had a better idea some years back.

His dates are good. 7000 BC -- A very busy millenium. :D


http://www.michaelbradley.info/books/hotair/hotair1.html



Neolithic-megalithic curraghs up to 60 feet long and 15-20 feet wide existed as early as about 7000 BC, according to some Irish and Scandinavian authorities. We have no direct archaeological evidence for this assertion because curraghs’ organic components would have bio-degraded within a few decades or centuries, but we have some indirect archaeological evidence that is very persuasive. All around the “Atlantic Rim” from northern Europe to Canada (including the Orkney Isles, the Faroe Islands, Iceland and Greenland), researchers have discovered boat-shaped foundation walls of piled stones or turf. For instance, there’s a boat-shaped turf foundation shape within a few hundred yards of Stonehenge. They are all double-ended or canoe-shaped – that is, pointed at each end – and the largest average size of these curious foundations statistically clusters at about 60 feet in length and about 15 feet wide. Another, smaller cluster occurs at about 30 feet in length and 7-8 feet wide.

Mowat discovered a few of these boat-shaped walled foundations in Newfoundland and on mainland Labrador and he suggested that they were supports for upturned “farfarers”. During the winter, upturned curraghs roped down to and supported by such a boat-shaped foundation would have made snug quarters for a curragh’s crew. Mowat gives a photo illustration of a modern boat-roofed house on the Orkney Islands of Scotland showing that the tradition of boat-roofed houses survived into the Twentieth Century. There are boat-roofed shaped houses among the ruins on Mallorca in the Mediterranean Sea, too. This shows that curragh-making was not confined to people on Europe’s Atlantic Coast, but also that the first Neolithic and megalithic people who colonized the Mediterranean coasts and islands were curragh-makers and curragh sailors. The archaeological evidence of humble curragh foundations has huge repercussions for the spread of Western civilization. Did much of Western culture actually come from the Atlantic in megalithic and Neolithic times about 10,000 BC and not from the Middle East? It seems so, and this will occupy us in later pages.

Curraghs about 60 feet in length and about 15 feet in beam (wide) could have carried about six to ten tons of generalized cargo. However, considering the very concentrated weight of a typical bluestone within the relatively fragile vessel, probably only one bluestone at a time would have been carried on voyages to Stonehenge...

...In addition to these advantages, a curragh hull itself is so light in weight that even a heavily-laden curragh will draw very little water. For example, a Neolithic curragh 60 feet long and 15 feet in beam carrying a typical Stonehenge bluestone and a crew of seven would float in only 18 inches of water. Because of the lightweight nature of the curragh concept, they are very swift sailing vessels and rise easily to oceanic waves. They are also somewhat flexible and curragh hulls manage to “go with the flow” of oceanic waves – much like a living sea creature. For this reason, many fishermen on Ireland's stormy western Atlantic coast still prefer curraghs to modern aluminum, fiberglass or wooden-planked boats. In 1976-1977, a replica ash-framed and leather-hulled curragh made by British adventurer, Tim Severin, crossed the North Atlantic from Ireland to Newfoundland...

...Assuming that the bluestone could have been loaded and unloaded with extra helpers, a curragh’s normal crew of only about five to ten people could have sailed a bluestone from Wales around Land’s End to the Stonehenge site in about ten to twelve days using the present southern Avon River. The trip would have been even quicker and shorter using the northern Avon River, but then seven miles of shallow canals would be needed to reach Stonehenge by water...

These cloudy and fractured windows on the past continue to provide a good living for generations of theorizers. If we ever are able to go back and find out, an extire cottage industry will be destroyed.

If we ever are able to go back and find out, an extire cottage industry will be destroyed.

It seems to go the other way. The more researchers find out, more theories are advanced, leading to more questions. It's only logical. For centuries you could not ask questions about most of the past.

For umpteen ages we assumed the farther into the past = the deeper the stupidity of our ancestors. Most people think it's still true. We have a long way to go before whites have a healthy relationship with their own history. The Rome-Jerusalem Axis saw to that. They're responsible for lots of cottage industries.

There is a way to make the truth about these things more powerful than a political program, because politics is the caboose, not the engine. Let whites see how they've been lied to and the political platform will write itself in five minutes.

The archaeological evidence of humble curragh foundations has huge repercussions for the spread of Western civilization. Did much of Western culture actually come from the Atlantic in megalithic and Neolithic times about 10,000 BC and not from the Middle East? It seems so...

FJ,

It hardly bears saying, but your post on civilized water faring Northern Europeans is both wrong and laughable.

Anyone with a good education knows that our ancestors were blue-dyed, cannibalistic, near-animals in 7000BC. The only seafaring, (and this is born out by many reputable schoolbooks) ...the only seafaring our European ancestors did was accomplished by tying sun-bloated dead fish to their bodies and paddling with their then webbed toes.

To suggest otherwise is just wrong.

Enkidu

FJ,

It hardly bears saying, but your post on civilized water faring Northern Europeans is both wrong and laughable.

Anyone with a good education knows that our ancestors were blue-dyed, cannibalistic, near-animals in 7000BC. The only seafaring, (and this is born out by many reputable schoolbooks) ...the only seafaring our European ancestors did was accomplished by tying sun-bloated dead fish to their bodies and paddling with their then webbed toes.

To suggest otherwise is just wrong.

Enkidu

Whew... for a minute there I thought I was going to get the Standard American Diversity Lecture. Blue-eyed cannibal whites looking down from trees as Brilliant Negroes levitate bluestones, teach Pythagoras, and promise to return some day with more miracles.

But tying dead fish to themselves? That would have shown the Black Gods a thing or two. Your racism is showing here, Enkidu.

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Posted by FranzJoseph:
For umpteen ages we assumed the farther into the past = the deeper the stupidity of our ancestors. Most people think it's still true. We have a long way to go before whites have a healthy relationship with their own history. The Rome-Jerusalem Axis saw to that. They're responsible for lots of cottage industries.

I agree with this completely. In the United States, we have the neo-Puritan assumptions of dispensationalism/progressivism to deal with as well.