I just want to know why? Why believe in christianity? I mean "jesus christ" was the self proclaimed "King of the jews" Has anyone ever thought about where "marry" and "joseph" were from? I mean from what the bible tells us, all the places in the bible people read about are fucking places in the world where muds live, im sure back then (assuming the bible and all that stuff is true) jesus, marry and joseph were probably muds and as brown as a mexicans ass, im not saying this as fact but its my personal opinion, ive allways thought about this and wanted to ask people exactally why christianity? Jesus (from what the bible gives as locations for his birth and the birth of his "parents") that he would not have been the white long haired man you see in many pictures and portraits but a dark skined jewish mud.

Maybe im just a young ignorant kid here, who knows? I just wanted to ask that question and see if I can get some replys. I am NOT trying to start an argument, I just want to know.

Thanks: ThorsHammer1488

3 answers.

1) practically speaking, there's quite a bit of social help you can get in a Christian faith community you cant get anywhere else. As a single man, you dont need this help. Get a wife and some kids and you'll see what I'm talking about. As an atomized particle, you feel pretty invulnerable. Once you have these very vulnerable dependents, you feel vulnerable too. There are things designed into the human species that are herd protection mechanisms taht dont work unless you're actually IN a herd somewhere and not just always running about on your own. Dr A likes to make fun of those things all the time, but I think a close reading even of "Might is Right" will show the reader some of the invaluable uses of religious faith communities for building social cohesion. If you think I'm full of shit, how about re-reading MacDonald's trilogy. I'm betting MacDonald is an atheist but his work shows how Jews have used their "faith" to cement their tribal strategy.

2) I think spiritual symbols such as the AllFather or The Father or the Sun God that rises again, Osiris-Mitra-Jesus-Apollo-Baldur etc etc are pretty close to UNIVERSAL. The Yellow Japs worshipped a Sun God too, I forget what they call him but Amaterasu is his consort, and they all say they're descended from this pair when in fact they are a Sino-Polynesian hybrid with a thin strain of Caucasoid from the indigenous Ainu. Japs know that too, but they BELIEVE they are descended from Gods. So elements of religion are universal. That shouldnt be a big deal for us. Gravity is universal too, does that mean I'm not White just because gravity affects me just the same as a Jew? That is the meaning of Paul's comment "you are neither Greek nor Jew in Christ." Paul-Saul was trying to draw on the existing Hellenic cultural context of the Roman world, which is similar to our own in that nearly everyone believed there were certain laws of Nature which affected all living things the same, to analogize to the religious message of redemption etc and say those spiritual truths would be meaningful to people of any nation, and that those spiritual truths would provide a basis for a certain peaceful congress between nations. I dont find that objectionable. Of course Paul didnt mean there were no Greeks nor Jews. People always take the Bible literally which of course renders it unintelligible. Sacred literature is more often than not symbolic, cryptic, metaphoric, and allegoric. Who believes the universe was actually created in 7 days? Fools. Who believes creation myths are meaningful without being taken literally, ie, we're all sweat from Ymir's armpit or whatever? I do.

3) Ever since Constantine took the faith on as the official religion of the Empire, on through the Reformation, Aryans of Europe synthesized the symbols and stories and mysteries of Christianity into something meaningful to us. The so-called semitism of Christianity or the "big trick" thing that Revilo Oliver wrote about very convincingly, is a good critique for us at this time to help free us from the false box of jew-xty, and I recommend it. "Origins of Christianity" by Revilo Oliver, for those who are intrigued by the sort of thing Dr A discusses. However, once you have that critique assimilated, I encourage you to now look at Christianity as the distinct faith of the Faustian West as Oswald Spengler called it. Consider how it was a strength and not only a weakness. That is a big project and I am far from being able to summarize it in a few paragraphs, but on a personal basis I would say it mostly gets back to what I was talking about in number 1.

For most people Christianity is simply indistinguishable from their natural belief in God. This is as relevant to the television-drones as it is us. This belief in Christianity isn’t necessarily because it is more believable than other religions (Asatru/Wotanism), its simply a matter of many people having been raised with this belief, having never seen an opposite point of view (save that of the Left) and find shedding it psychologically difficult.

Christianity has it’s merits; in the past in unified our people and today, as Antiochus said, it creates a feeling of community; but its shelf-life is starting to expire. Only Folk-religion holds any promise for the future.

For most people Christianity is simply indistinguishable from their natural belief in God. This is as relevant to the television-drones as it is us. This belief in Christianity isn’t necessarily because it is more believable than other religions (Asatru/Wotanism), its simply a matter of many people having been raised with this belief, having never seen an opposite point of view (save that of the Left) and find shedding it psychologically difficult.

Christianity has it’s merits; in the past in unified our people and today, as Antiochus said, it creates a feeling of community; but its shelf-life is starting to expire. Only Folk-religion holds any promise for the future.

fair comments. I'm suggesting however that a good Christianity is compatible with folk-religion. Our ancestors took the OT story of the Chosenites as a metaphor for a health sort of tribalism, then added the NT story of redemption and other more ethereal or transcendent religious themes, and considered it a useful well rounded religious faith worthy of supplanting paganism. I enjoy the pagan myths as a reflection of certain spiritual truths like I do the other stories, but I wouldnt go back to worshipping oak trees. No matter how much I like One Eyed Odin!

That expresses the proposition that there are certain universal spiritual truths about Christianity that are transcendant. As in, gravity is a transcendant law that affects man and woman, Jew and Greek, slave and freedman, blah blah blah.

You can see it how you like of course. The antiracists have made far more of this passage than ever intended and of course the antiChristians are not far behind. You both take Christianity far outside its context and judge it by the judaicised standards of today.

A hundred years ago people had enough reading comprehension to generally understand that the passage is not a negation of physical facts of reality but an expression of a more undifferentiated reality underlying the dichotomies negated. I'm not surpised that sort of reading comprehension has been chucked in favor of the superior faculty of derision.

I have asked people the same question thousands of times. Why do you believe what you believe. The answer, in so many words, is always, that's just what I've always believed. In other words, that is what they were taught to believe as children. That is what their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents were taught as children. I have heard it said that only 2% ever leave the religion or belief system they were raised with. Is it any wonder christianity targets the young and impressionable children. "Come to me as a children", says Jesus. Is it any wonder the catholic church is against birth-control? Every new baby born into catholicism will most likely stay catholic their whole life. It is far easier for a child to believe the christian fairy tales than an adult. Especially when they have been programmed from birth to believe in all sorts of fairy tales, like santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, etc. That's also why they start them young with sunday school classes for children who are pre-school age.

Cradle to grave mind-control is a hard habit to break. It's almost like you have to physically and literally un-plug people from their mind-controlling support systems, for them to really see the Light!! And then, if they actually do see the error of their pre-programmed thinking, they have a huge decision to make. Pride is always the determining factor regarding how they will react to the truth.

Are you too proud to ever admit you were fundamentally wrong in your religious assumptions?

If there is one thing that religious people really hate, it's admitting that they have been living a lie. I've had guys who have told me, I've been preaching the name of jesus for 20 years. What would people think of me, If I admitted I had been wrong all of those years? Most in this position would rather live miserable lives, suppressing the truth, rather than admitting they are living a lie.

I suppose they could always blame the filthy lying whore preachers who have been deceiving them from day one!! Money grubbing whores. I once had a preacher tell me I was going to hell, If I didn't give him 10% of my yearly income, before taxes!!!

Give me a break!!

Needless to say, I'm not too fond of Judeo-Christian Preachers.

Most of those wolves know damn well what they are doing, and they do it for those 6 figure salaries they fleece from the flock!!

Pathetic!!

I just want to know why? Why believe in christianity? I mean "jesus christ" was the self proclaimed "King of the jews" Has anyone ever thought about where "marry" and "joseph" were from? I mean from what the bible tells us, all the places in the bible people read about are fucking places in the world where muds live, im sure back then (assuming the bible and all that stuff is true) jesus, marry and joseph were probably muds and as brown as a mexicans ass, im not saying this as fact but its my personal opinion, ive allways thought about this and wanted to ask people exactally why christianity? Jesus (from what the bible gives as locations for his birth and the birth of his "parents") that he would not have been the white long haired man you see in many pictures and portraits but a dark skined jewish mud.

Maybe im just a young ignorant kid here, who knows? I just wanted to ask that question and see if I can get some replys. I am NOT trying to start an argument, I just want to know.

Thanks: ThorsHammer1488

Jesus was not the "self proclaimed kind of the Jews." Here is what Jesus said to Pilate when asked if he was the King of the Jews.

Luke, chapter 23

"3": And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

Jesus NEVER said that he was the King of the Jews.

Just because the people who today inhabit the middle east are dark skinned mongrels does not mean that is the way it was in the day of Moses and the Israelites. Just as the demographics of America has changed in the last 100 years isn't it also possible for the demographics of the middle east to change in 2000-5000 years ? Yes of course it is.

I give you as an example the description the old testament gives of King David.

1 Samuel, chapter 17

"42": And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

So you see that King David was a fair skinned rosey cheeked Aryan and since David is directly decended from Adam and Adam was made in the image of God and Jesus is decended from King David then it stands to reason that not only was Adam White but so was Christ and yes even so YHVH too.

If you read the promises and prophecies that God made to and about the children of Israel, they have all been fulfilled by one race and one race only. The Aryan. And NOT in any way the Jew.

YHVH said that the nation of Israel would become a nation and a company of nations. America as the nation and the Anglo-Saxon Germanic, Teutonic Celtic, Scandinavian nations of Western Europe as the company of nations. He said that the Israelite race would be a blessing to all mankind. Isn't it our race, the Aryan, that has created and invented everything on the face of the earth that has increased the living standards for all mankind ? Yes of course it is. YHVH said that we would be scattered to the four corners of the earth and that our seed would be too numerous to be counted and that we would posses the gates of our enemies. Isn't it the United States and Britian who have military bases and sea ports all over the world ? Again yes ! And the Jewish people are so few in number, that they can be counted practically right down to the very last hooked nosed child.

If you read the 28th chapter in the book of Deuteronomy you will see that all of the curses that God said would befall the nation of Israel (the Aryan) if they disobeyed his commandments have in fact befallen our noble race today.

How could a group of men (the prophets) if their words were not inspired by a divine being (YHVH) be so accurate ?

The Aryans are the children of God and the Jew is the litteral seedline of the Serpent.

Remember that YHVH told the Serpent in Genesis 3:15 that he would put enmity (hatred) between his offspring and the offspring of the woman. We see that today with the attack that the Jew has made on the White Race in every once great White nation on earth.

I am a believer because the things that are written about in the word of YHVH have come true.



I just want to know why? Why believe in christianity? I mean "jesus christ" was the self proclaimed "King of the jews" Has anyone ever thought about where "marry" and "joseph" were from? I mean from what the bible tells us, all the places in the bible people read about are fucking places in the world where muds live, im sure back then (assuming the bible and all that stuff is true) jesus, marry and joseph were probably muds and as brown as a mexicans ass, im not saying this as fact but its my personal opinion, ive allways thought about this and wanted to ask people exactally why christianity? Jesus (from what the bible gives as locations for his birth and the birth of his "parents") that he would not have been the white long haired man you see in many pictures and portraits but a dark skined jewish mud.

Maybe im just a young ignorant kid here, who knows? I just wanted to ask that question and see if I can get some replys. I am NOT trying to start an argument, I just want to know.

Thanks: ThorsHammer1488

fair comments. I'm suggesting however that a good Christianity is compatible with folk-religion. Our ancestors took the OT story of the Chosenites as a metaphor for a health sort of tribalism, then added the NT story of redemption and other more ethereal or transcendent religious themes, and considered it a useful well rounded religious faith worthy of supplanting paganism. I enjoy the pagan myths as a reflection of certain spiritual truths like I do the other stories, but I wouldnt go back to worshipping oak trees. No matter how much I like One Eyed Odin!



Very good points.

A good-separate from the self chosen-Christianity would indeed be beneficial. But can that happen entirely? In the same way that the average lemming really doesn’t understand why they seem to live hollow-empty lives obsessed with money, so to does the average Christian not understand why they find themselves, in essence, worshipping a desert race of gold-worshippers. Though they don’t think of it that way, they still think of Jerusalem as their Holyland; instead of Germany, or France, or Italy or Sweden.

Being pragmatic, the Jews have a love/hate with Christianity. On one hand, many lemming Christian-types (the “Benny Hinn” crowd for example) are for-all-intensive-purposes conscious shabba goys, who will practically crawl on their hands and knees to please Israel and send it even more money than we are currently being fleeced of. On the other, we have the “typical” Christian, which I would guess the majority of the people who will read this (including myself) were at one point of their lives, who really do not read the Bible as what it is (the history of a people not of ourselves) or if they do, draw insane conclusions from it. Observe a program like “Dr.Shine and Dee Dee” on the predominantly Black Christian “WORD Network”: this self-admitted former CRACKHEAD, will read a seemingly random verse then blab in heavy Black speech about just how Jesus “is gonna git U dat mhun-ee fo dat kewl-azz BMW”.

With Christianity, I feel, we can be divided and conquered. We can be forced into two camps: one that agrees with the Jewish-originated Religion and it’s ethics and another that agrees with the Jewish-led opposition to said religion’s ethics. In other words: Believe in God? Well, here’s a Kosher religion. Disagree with the Kosher religion? Here’s atheistic view that is also contrived by us. We lose no matter what.

No matter where we turn, be it a world-view based on morals or one of “me first-ism”, we still have to deal with the “eternal middleman“, we find our views altered, corralled if you wish, by the same god-damned people.

The only long term solution is to wipe all these influences from our minds and realize that our people need only what our people can create and have created in the past.

fair comments again, but I wonder why somebody like Oswald Spengler never came to the conclusion to flat out junk Christianity. He wrote a series of books called "The Decline of the West" and talked at length about the difference between the Magian Orient including Jews and the Faustian West and its characteristic faith Christianity. Many of the themes batted around here considered at length therein. Anybody got a response or is it easier to just say Jeebus was a kike end of story. Silly Oz Spengler for writing a book. Silly Revilo Oliver for writing Origins of Christianity. He should have left it: "Jeebus was a kike. End of story."

Do you think Japanese people have any need of throwing out western science just because they didnt invent it? Would they shitcan their pre-eminent position in worldwide manufacturing because the Philo Farnsworth was a gaijin?

for the record, I think the central mythic ideas of Christianity were not invented by Jews. I think Akenaton is the source of the monotheistic solar God idea, and Osiris the the first remembered resurrection story. Elsewhere I have read the opinion here the ancient Egyptians were White. That would make these myths White in origin stolen by Jews. Assimilated back to the West and recreated by many fine Aryan minds and imaginations for centuries just to have us come along in 2004 and say Jeebus was a kike. Oops. there goes those ancient White ideas of the monotheistic God and Redeemer who in dying defeats death. Stolen by Jews who now take credit for them. HMMM. And many here agree. LOL Irony of Ironies.

However a universal faith is the wrong idea. Read Matthew 15 and you'll see this little story...

"21": Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.

"22": And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

"23": But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

"24": But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

"25": Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

"26": But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

"27": And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

"28": Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Notice that Christ would not even speak to this Cannanite woman. Then he said "It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."

He wouldnt even speak to her at first and then he called her a dog.

Notice that he said he was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel ? Universalism in Christianity is nothng but a Communist idea planted by the Communist organization the World Council of Churches.

Christianity was always about separatism. It was Old Testament law for the Israelites just as it is New Testament law for them also.

2 Corinthians, chapter 6

"17": Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing;





I've reread the entire chapter. You're missing the allusion the apostle makes to something Christ said in the gospels or at least one of them I think Luke. The Pharisees said to him are we not the seed of abraham? (sperma) then he says something back, If you were Abraham's children-- using a different word than sperma. Cant recal the Greek but it means child not seed. That is alluded to throughout the entire chapter. There is a distinction between blood and culture being made. The idea is that Christianity is a universal faith yes-- one that many different nations may share in recognition of universal spiritual truths.

A truth is not a serial resource. It doesnt hurt me any if a nog one day wakes up and realizes he should work hard and not be a leech. That's a truth and Nog and WHite may both realize that and be both better off individually and among their own nations. So there is nothing about a truth in that sense which is exclusive to some ethnic group. That is the essential difference between Judaism as a faith and Christianity. Judaism is not even a faith it's just a glue to keep their tribe together. Judaism is a mere tribal conspiracy and Christianity endeavors to be something more like philosophy.

Jews considered Christ an apostate rabbi and a Hellenizer. Philosophy was an Aryan invention not a Jew one and it took Jews a long time to catch on. Now by reducing religion to mere tribal glue we would have to simply take all of the philosophy out of it and make it a bunch of empty ritual which is exactly what kikery is today.

I however am not willing to become a kike. MacDonald wrote in one of his books a very interesting comparison of Jew characteristics vs Occidental ones. He also noted that NS was in many ways adoption of those social characteristics by Whites. I understand that comparison and believe to some extent we have to do consider those social characteristics which will help us survive like endogamy and adopt them. But I am not going to mindlessly ape the Jew. Starting with, I reject the notion that religion as such either a) requires amalgamation of any racial ethnic or national identities (the antiracist heresy) nor is it b) only appropriate to one ethnic group.

Even the swastika was and still is enjoyed as a religious symbol by non-Whites. Are you going to shitcan the swazi just because Japs dig it? No. It is a solar symbol. As is resurrection a solar symbol. Life goes on, the sun dies and comes to life every day.

Again, good points. This issue of Christianity vs. Folkism is a discussion that the entire WN community is going to have to consider sooner or later; may this be a meaningful beginning for an understanding between Christians and Wotanists and not a dividing force.

Christianity has indeed been westernized, I will concede that. We have adapted it in such a way that we think of it as ours; we‘ve built cathedrals, created works of art and wrote music ,that embody our culture, in praise of it’s God and so forth. But, no matter how we turn it, or phrase it, the book which we have developed this religious worldview from was written by a foreign people, with very foreign ideals , (including the crazed notion that they are “chosen by God” ) and the fact that they regard us as being little more than “cattle”. By believing the Jews to be something which they are not and putting them on this moral pedestal of “special-ness”, free of all-criticism, we set into effect the destruction of our culture.

Let’s look at it from another angle though: the common folk. Christianity, to exist for the lemmings, doesn’t require elaborate philosophical arguments or appeals to societal cohesiveness, but blind faith. That’s it. That is the alpha and the omega; faith in stories which are laughed at by pointy-headed intellectual leftists and are the basis of Hollywood jokes about backward hillbillies with rebel flags spray-painted on their garages. The Jews, through Feminism, through Communism, Liberalism and leftism in general, have eroded this faith in most lemmings. If it “feels good, do it”, they tell them.

Now, only the most religiously inclined truly believe in Christianity. If not openly atheistic, most (up to 60% or so probably) Christians believe on a just in case basis. Most Americans have reverted into their sort of ignorance-fueled, hedonistic, basketball game, six-pack guzzling, money grubbing existence, not because they don’t believe in God necessarily, but because they no longer believe in Noah, in Job, in David or the multitude of other Jewish mythical figures. And really, as long as the warming-glow of their televitz keeps beaming them happy stories of blacks overcoming the odds of white racism and bedding white women, can we blame them?

In other words, as in the “republican party vs. democratic party” nonsense that they have polarized our nation with (making any other even semi-independent party -libertarians etc- a non-issue), so too have they created a Christian vs. non-Christian worldview in which they win no matter what. You follow their God, in which you accept them as the wise chosen ones who have been oppressed by us evil Goyim, or you follow their degenerate culture, which rejects this God, but in which you still accept them as the wise chosen ones who are oppressed by us evil Goyim. In the current religious climate, no matter what you choose, they win.

But back to the issue of myths, stories and historic figures. How many young whites (teens to 20‘s), specifically young Germanics in this context, know who Arminius was? They know who the latest rapper is, which basketball hero they are to emulate and speak like, but they DON’T know which German they owe their very life to. If it wasn’t for the movie Braveheart, the similar Scot hero William Wallace would have been forgotten today as well. The masses of our people HAVE NO concept that they are a people, that they have a history beyond a vague high-school droning about Greece or Rome (which is now given equal footing with cannibalistic witch doctors in equatorial Africa) and now that they even exist at all. If Folkish religious belief was more prevalent and EVEN IF it wasn’t openly WN, we could achieve a reasonable level of consciousness among our masses. While it wouldn’t stop the tide of our struggle completely, it would put us in a much better position for survival. The masses wouldn’t hate themselves as they do now and wouldn’t willingly destroy their own future.

It is precisely this reason that I am writing this. It is because Christianity is so dominant, so ingrained in our culture, that aside from the occasional inoffensive white Buddhist or Yoga follower you see, there is no other path readily available to them. Everything white, especially German, is EVIL. People like myself, who before entering college would never think they would in a million years become the EVIL-EVIL-NAZI that is so demonized by the lemmings, became WN only after they cleared their minds of the self-hate propaganda. Christianity does not allow this to happen as it’s history, not it’s philosophy, but rather it’s history, are completely of non-European origin, and thus alien to our inherent, time-evolved, unique nature.

We have so many otherwise good people swimming in a hopeless cesspool of ballgames, rap music and ich/ego-centered atheism. This, more than anything, is why I feel Christianity is so dangerous WN. As long as our people have no identity at all, a mass awakening is simply impossible. You can’t convince these people who have been told all their lives that we are the devil in human form, by shouting “Hail Victory” in their faces, only reinforcing the lies of the Chosen, and maybe they’ll blink their eyes and parrot back to you some slogan they heard from television. They have been taught since they were old enough to gaze into the TV, that we were wrong, and they must never question the holy Jews; until the basic, religious and cultural pull of this notion is erased from their minds, our people, collectively, are doomed to the fate of the Rhodesians; or the Dodo bird if you prefer.

Belief in God is universal in every culture. Celts and Germans and Italics and Basques; Chinese and Japanese, Vietnamese and Koreans; even the Blacks have their own beliefs. I would pose this question: What makes the Jews ideas so much better then everyone else? Consider this in light of their historic hostility towards everyone, especially whites and their “practiced“ religion which would logically prey on the practitioners of the off-shoot Christian religion.

At this point, where we are only a handful of generations away from complete powerlessness, if not extinction; why shouldn’t we reject any and everything our destroyers have pushed on us? What makes the Jews so God-damn special. I can’t say. In so far as the origins of Monotheism or the basic idea of Christianity’s philosophy; given the Jew’s affinity for theft, one does have to wonder

But, in my opinion, it all comes down to one story which I will summarize and use the more common names instead of the continental Germanic (Thor for Donar etc). This is our struggle in a nutshell: Loki, the God of Deceit and Trickery, cuts the hair of Sif, the wife of Thor, while she sleeps one night. Sif is known throughout all creation as having the most beautiful golden hair of any being, so, understandably, when she wakes from her sleep she is devastated. Thor consoles his wife, who thinks he will hate her for not having her most beautiful quality anymore, thus assuring Sif of his loyalty. Then Thor sets out and stalks the heavens for Loki to remedy the transgressions against his wife. Upon finding Loki, Thor demands that the God of Deceit repair his wife’s hair. Loki slyly replies, “Or else?.” Thor grasps him by his throat, lifts him off the ground and says, “Or else I’ll break the very bones of your body.”

He didn’t turn the other cheek or give Loki AIDS vaccines or Holocaust reparations. Our religion taught values of honor, truthfulness, abhorrence to greed and self respect. So to the WN Christians reading this, instead of asking WWJD, ask yourself What Would Thor Do? Or, if you prefer, What Would Your Ancestors Do?

Good points. However just like in all other lies the Jew has taught our people (the holohoax, diversity is our strenth, there is no such thing as race etc etc) we must expose them to the truth. Which is that the Israelites were not Jews, that they were and still are Aryans. King David was White according to scripture and according to that same scripture Christ did NOT come to save all mankind but instead he came only for his lost Israel, the Aryan Race. And here is a good place to start.

http://www.churchofthesonsofyhvh.org/your_heritage.htm

Its a large bill to fill I know, but we must start to expose our people to the truth in all things, especially who the great White God YHVH is !

However a universal faith is the wrong idea. Read Matthew 15 and you'll see this little story...
Notice that he said he was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel ? Universalism in Christianity is nothng but a Communist idea planted by the Communist organization the World Council of Churches.

Christianity was always about separatism. It was Old Testament law for the Israelites just as it is New Testament law for them also.

1. I'll make this point again. Christianity explores certain SPIRITUAL truths which as truths, are transcendent, undifferentiated, and universally true. To take a metaphor from physics, the law of gravity applies to all things alive or inert. So these "spiritual" truths, are likewise to some extent universal. Now they often impact social relationships and race exists and affects society, so the interface is more complex. But the idea that people cant be inspired emotionally by the myths of another nation is obviously not the case. Leave it at that.

2. Here's a different comparison worth considering in this context: In Japan you have Buddhism and Shinto. Shinto is animism. Animism is paganism tied to the soil. That is usually what people are getting at with "folkish" religion. Buddhism is a universal religion however in that it deals with spiritual truths which are accessible by different races of men. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism are all universal religions in that they deal with spiritual topics and ideas which may be considered and experienced by different races of men. There is NOTHING in orthodox Christianity Islam or Buddhism that necessarily demands the amalgamation of ethnic groups or nations or races. That is a Jew lie. No good Jap believes either Buddhism or Shinto requires him to miscegenate. Being a Jap means you marry Japs. They are very endogamous. Their religion is about different subject material. Ethnic identity and religion overlap but are not the same thing. Trying to make them the same thing is a degenerate misunderstanding of ethicity and religion and it deprives both ethnicity and religion of good things that are expressed in different spheres. That is what the Jew corruption did to Christianity, that is what corruption TYPIFIES Judism, and I say this with all respect for the good intentions of the CI folk, but that is how CI apes Judism. Ethicity does not equal religion nor should it. Ethnicity should be the wife of religon and together they make a well rounded community. Ethnicity is of the Earth and Religion the sky. There is something as Bachofen noted, inherently feminine about ethnicity, and as Evola explored, inherently masculine about faith. I acan continue this metaphor if anybody cares to hear more. Or if it seems like so much crap let me know and I will quit wasting my time. If you can only think in two dimensions I can see how this would sound silly.

3. back to the particulars of Christianity and A6's statement. Christ comes in the beginning for Israel and then they reject him. Then after he resurrects, his last charge in the gospel is "go ye and make disciples of all nations." Meaning, these truths may be shared with Gentiles. A fundamental break with the OT story of one tribe. The disciples dont get it however, and then at Pentecost, they are given the ability to speak in foreign tongues and understand that they should share the spiritual ideas with other nations. That is because the truths are universal. Note however, it does not say "Go ye and destroy all nations" which is what Jews do. It does not say "go and dissolve and amalgamate all nations" which is what Jews do. It does not say "make disciples of all atomized individuals" which is what modern Xty does. It says make disciples "of nations" which to me, clearly implies a profound respect for nations as vital and legitimate and even sacred types of social organization. You can take that consistently with the story of Babel while you're at it.

The Afrikaaner Broederbund understood this and shaped the Reformed Church in SA so that the kaffirs could enjoy these universal truths in their own communities without undermining or mixing with Whites. That was a very stable situation were it not for the tolerance of Jews in SA and throughout the Commonwealth as a whole which wrote the end of White Rhodesia and SA in the long run.

I take all of your other points to heart. However you as many people do, have a profound misunderstanding of the scriptures and purpose of Christ. When YaShua says in Matthew 15 that he came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel that is exactly what he means. he did not change his mind. Mis-understanding the word "Gentile" I think may have a great deal to do with your confusion.


3. back to the particulars of Christianity and A6's statement. Christ comes in the beginning for Israel and then they reject him. Then after he resurrects, his last charge in the gospel is "go ye and make disciples of all nations." Meaning, these truths may be shared with Gentiles. A fundamental break with the OT story of one tribe. The disciples dont get it however, and then at Pentecost, they are given the ability to speak in foreign tongues and understand that they should share the spiritual ideas with other nations. That is because the truths are universal. Note however, it does not say "Go ye and destroy all nations" which is what Jews do. It does not say "go and dissolve and amalgamate all nations" which is what Jews do. It does not say "make disciples of all atomized individuals" which is what modern Xty does. It says make disciples "of nations" which to me, clearly implies a profound respect for nations as vital and legitimate and even sacred types of social organization. You can take that consistently with the story of Babel while you're at it.

I disagree with most literal approaches to Scripture. I notice CI is big with folks from a Christian backrounds that are big on literalism like Baptists or Pentecostals or whatever. I have always viewed Scripture in a mythic sense as full of symbol, allegory, parable, and crypsis.

In the old days, people simply thought Jews turned their back on Christ and God and so were cursed for eternity. The only way a Jew could erase this was by erasing his Jew identity through baptism and then complete and total assimilation to the extent of hiding the ancestry from descendants. This was anathema to all Jews except the most genuine converts which has never probably been more than 1% over time and probably those with plenty of non-Jew ancestry already cut into the mix. And so you have the Jews persisting in their abominable creed and social strategy to this day.

CI comes out of British Israelism which is a disgusting extension of the Jew-Puritan alliance of Cromwell who cut the head off the king and invited the Jews back into England. The British royalty in an attempt to save their own asses, once Restored, evolved a bullshit legend about their Jew-Davidic origins. Some have even gone so far as to suggest JHC himself came on up to the Isles to lay the pipe and establish the Royal Line. That to me is ridiculous and absurd and disgusting. The later day Anglo-Jew alliance was also exemplifed by the relationship between Queen Victoria and Benjamin Disraeli a false convert from Judism who fought strongly for Jew rights in the Commonwealth even after his fake conversion.

During WW1 the British Israelism bore its wicked fruit by Lloyd George cooperating with Jews to the tune of the Balfour Declaration. I dont know how or why Herbert Armstrong and Wesley Swift and others stumbled onto this creed but for me it embodies certain misunderstandings of religion that are essentially Jewish in nature as I previously tried to articulate. However, I respect your good intentions and wish you well.

Good points. However just like in all other lies the Jew has taught our people (the holohoax, diversity is our strenth, there is no such thing as race etc etc) we must expose them to the truth. Which is that the Israelites were not Jews....

It is not my intention to try to evangelize anyone. CI folk, don’t think that I’m trying to convert you or otherwise insult your religion. That’s not what I’m trying to do here.

I know a moderate amount about the bible and so forth, but I am not an expert by any means. I simply cannot comment on much of the CI stuff, I am however well versed on the subject of us EVIL “Euro” goyim. Specifically, those of my heritage.

"Thou art My battleaxe and weapons of war, for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms". We will see later that the name evolved from SAKKE to SAXON; and it is noteworthy that the battle-axe was the great weapon of the Saxons.

The Saxons took their name from a type of sword (not an axe) which was called the “Saks” (“sword“ was “Nauta“ ) and this was in turn reflected in their name for Tyr (the God of War and Battle), who was called Saxnt or Saxneat. The origin of SAXON is a combination of SAKS/SAXNEAT, a sword and a God, not a battleaxe. A good book about the subject of our people in this regard is Jaan Puhvel’s Comparative Mythology (which focuses only on the Indo-Europeans).

This is, yes, nitpicking. But something as authoritarive sounding as the CI article should contain no mistakes to even be considered.

Other historians record that BLOND SCYTHIANS made an expedition against Palestine and Egypt about 626 BC.

There is much evidence of blonde/blue or green eyed peoples invading other nations in the age of pre-recorded history, notably India and China. The problem is, there is a lot of evidence of “Aryan invasions” in these countries. The spread of Indo-Europeanic languages in west China and the Aryan desert mummies, found living alongside Chinese. In India, we have the racial caste system and the RG Veda itself, with its numerous mentioning of Indra, a hammer wielding blonde God who gave victory of the “light skin” against the “dark skin”. I haven’t read anything about blonde Scythians invading Palestine and Egypt; and why didn’t the author of the article quote such an important text?

Professor George Rawlinson says that the original development of the Indo-European language took place in Armenia - which, you will remember, was at that time occupied by "Scythian" Israel. Certainly from these people we can trace the introduction of this language into Europe.

Going further into the idea that we are really the Israelites, all logic and history would point to: no. Languages are easily identifiable in groups; the main ones being Indo-Europeanic and Sino-Tibetan. A Indo-Europeanic language was spoken at the time of the Bible; the language of the Hittites. I state: It is impossible for the “Scythian-Israelites” to have created the Indo-European language family, as it already existed (for hundreds if not a thousand or more years) before the alleged Scythains left the other tribes of “Israel”; an IE language even being spoken by the Hittites, an enemy of the “Israelites“, one of the “nations“ God orders the Israelites to destroy.

But Sharon Turner's "History of The Anglo-Saxons" is one of the most thoroughly documented historical studies ever produced, and its reliability is beyond question. He traces the Anglo-Saxons cf Britain back to the Scythians.

The Saxons were and had always been until they conquered England, a continental German tribe that resided in Northern Germany (between the Schleswig-Holstein area and Jutland) and consisted of Germans. The article seems to forget that Europeans didn’t magically appear - we have lived there thousands of years.

Grave mistakes like these greatly discredit the CI article in my mind.



To Antiochus:
Ethicity does not equal religion nor should it.

Our ethnicity is linked to our innate nature. This “nature” can best be described as the accepted morality and thinking patterns of individuals that become instinctual through hundreds of generations. A religion that makes one proud of his own ancestors, not necessarily based on a “hate” of others (for hate see WCOTC), is a thousand times more cohesive in the long run than a religion that does not have an ethnic aspect. Also, as a most-learned individual said, to paraphrase - a political movement without a spiritual aspect is doomed to failure.

The Jews’ religion is a reflection of their ethnicity, their evolved world view; hateful, arrogant rage towards everyone around them, in other words.

Read the Germania and see if Tacitus’ observations of the Germans in the first century match this notion of the Self-Chosen.

Christianity’s values, which like democracy, sound good tug at our heartstrings. Uncontrolled immigration? Why not, as we are all God’s children. Rap music that promotes violence, crime and drug-use? Is not everything and everyone an equal creation of God? Foolish whitey, is not P-Diddy as musically inclined as Mozart?

It is because Christianity, non-CI-Iguess I should say, does not contain a seed of ethnicity awareness that it has set the stage for the current limp-wristedness that was befallen our nation. Instead of strength, we admire weakness. Instead of the strong, it is the meek…and so forth. Of course, if we had control of the media this wouldn’t be the case. The jump from classical-Protestant Christianity (as practiced from Luther to 1945) to the ideas of the brotherhood-n-love hippie types that appeared in the 1960s, isn’t really that far. Those ideas of inaction, feminine-like complacency and “brotherhood” are the basis for democracy and tenets of Christian belief. I believe Nietzsche said something to the like of that.

Moving off the subject somewhat:
I’m not talking of “race” as most would; regarding race as purely a biologic concept or a matter of intelligence. The Chinese and Germanic whites have similar IQ-s and high levels of cultural achievements, however our worldviews are completely different from one another. The Chinese are naturally collectivists, the German is naturally individualistic for example. These differences, while not “racial” in a traditional biologic sense, are what makes each race, or offshoots of race, or mix of races, separate and unique; and everyone of them worthy of existence and separate living space. Though whites and asians get along better than whites and blacks, our philosophy of life, our world view, our weltanschauung are totally at odds.

I’ve known many Chinese (more so than any other non-euros) and have found them to be, on the average, kind, intelligent people who, like us, can appreciate art, music and culture in a very similar way. When I was still “settling into” my WN point of view I regarded them as, basically like us, except better at mathematics but less physically powerful. However, ask the average non-brilliant member of their people, and one that has not been born here and westernized, a question like “What is your Dream? What is your goal in life? What are your aspirations!?”; they will say something to the like of “To work, make money and one day, maybe, be the boss.”. There is nothing really wrong with that point of view, but it is different than our own. The Chinese are, on the average, pragmatic. We are, on the average, romantic.

That's what makes us us and them them.

Right on. Israelites were a semitic people speaking a semitic language. Jews are descended from them with ample additional inputs including from Khazaria. The notion that they are not ancestrally linked to the same Jews that the Romans dispersed is not supported by the overwhelming weight of the evidence.

I dont mind the notion that Europeans are a Christian people, and so are "special" -- like the Jews wrongfully consider themselves-- except that we are a "new" Chosen people favored in the eyes of God. I'm all for that. Sure. I suppose every healthy folk considers itself special and sacred in origin. The Jews hate everybody else and want slaves. We dont need to be that way. To the extent they find justification in the OT for that viewpoint, like the Abrahamic promise, we should interpret that differently.

Chinks pragmatic, absolutely. Us, I would say instead, of romantic, Idealistic.

The rest of your comment deserves some more thought. I'll save that for later.

fair comments. I'm suggesting however that a good Christianity is compatible with folk-religion. Our ancestors took the OT story of the Chosenites as a metaphor for a health sort of tribalism, then added the NT story of redemption and other more ethereal or transcendent religious themes, and considered it a useful well rounded religious faith worthy of supplanting paganism. I enjoy the pagan myths as a reflection of certain spiritual truths like I do the other stories, but I wouldnt go back to worshipping oak trees. No matter how much I like One Eyed Odin!

Hey, AE! I beg to differ. There can be no "good Xianity" from a clear thinking Aryan's viewpoint. Give me the mighty oak, or the tiny acorn, and the earth and the sun and the rest of Nature's real world gifts to worship ANY DAY over the circumcised Pale Bolshevist, the King of the Jews. The OT was devised by the Jew to unite his kinsmen against the gentile (everybody else) and has been extraordinarily successful for them in this regard. The NT was also devised by the Jew, but for the purpose of dividing and destroying White gentile peoples, specifically the Roman Empire, their biggest enemy at the time. NT authors, Saul (Paul), Peter, Matthew, Mark, John and all the rest of the apostles, except perhaps Luke, were circumcised Jews also. Their NT was crafted only for gullible goy consumption. The degenerate Constantine declared all the subjects of his empire Xian with the wave of his hand around 326AD, or thereabouts. Before then, the collective Roman mind wasn't polluted with insane Jewish concepts like original sin or hell or all the other "love thine enemies" and "turn the other cheek" suicidal garbage in the NT. Constantine, being Roman, may have been one of "our" ancestors, but the authors of the Jewish Book of Fables certainly were not.

"Divide and conquer" has been the Jewish plan for dealing with the Gentile for thousands of years now. Try to reconcile White nationalism with the "glad tidings" of this advice from the Jew Jesus for Xian sheep in Luke:13-15: "Suppose ye that I come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division; for from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother. The mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." Isn't that a lovely plan for family living in a Xian home?

How successful would you be if you have the following Babble verse done up in pretty needlepoint, matted, framed and hung on your office wall?: "Agree with thine adversary quickly, while thou art in the way with him, lest that anytime the adversary deliver thee to the Judge, and the Judge deliver thee to the Officer, and thou be cast in prison." Again, the words of the Xian Savior; this time in his anti-Nature Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:25). Or how about this sage legal advice from Jesus a little farther down the page (Matt. 5:40): "And if any man will sue thee at law and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also." If Jesus had been a defense attorney instead of a carpenter, his kinsmen and their progeny wouldn't have blood on their hands; the King of the Jews would have simply starved to death.

The notion that they are not ancestrally linked to the same Jews that the Romans dispersed is not supported by the overwhelming weight of the evidence.

Something else for the CI people to consider: The Romans, as practically every other people in history, saw the Jews as the exact same scheming, gold-worshipping, hateful people we can observe to this day. To say that we came from these folks degrades -our- history.

Tacitus wrote how the Germans “held silver with no more care than they would pottery” and were disgusted by the idea of interest: “Of lending money on interest and increasing it by compounding interest they know nothing“. Now, come on! A Jew-descended people with no knowledge of usury? :)

...A religion that makes one proud of his own ancestors, not necessarily based on a “hate” of others (for hate see WCOTC), is a thousand times more cohesive in the long run than a religion that does not have an ethnic aspect. Also, as a most-learned individual said, to paraphrase - a political movement without a spiritual aspect is doomed to failure.

The Jews’ religion is a reflection of their ethnicity, their evolved world view; hateful, arrogant rage towards everyone around them, in other words.

You might be more comfortable with Dr. Pierce's less militant Cosmotheism than with Klassen's in-your-face Creativity. But both clearly addressed the "ethnic aspect" you mention. Both men loved their race and dedicated their adult lives to its welfare and advancement. They knew that you fight fire with fire and hate with hate, not love. Hate is not a negative emotion when directed at one that is determined to destroy that which you love.

"In the long run" is the operative phrase in your statement above, VSM. Creativity does not have the right stuff for a long-run religion for Whites in it's present form for the reason you mention; granted. So what? It damn sure serves a purpose NOW for straightening out the thinking of the White man who has been strapped with an entirely alien creed for so many centuries, and for radicalizing him against the Jews from whose demented brains such suicidal poison sprang. To paraphrase Nietzsche's common sense advice: "Before a new belief system can supplant an existing one the ground must be cleared of that existing belief system." Creativity serves that purpose by exposing Xianity as totally Jewish. After the revolution a vigilant ruling White elite will have no problem formulating a loving ethnocentric religion which suits our nature, which has the "spiritual aspect," and is geared for the long run. It damned sure won't be grounded in destructive Jewish hate.

Give me the mighty oak, or the tiny acorn, and the earth and the sun and the rest of Nature's real world gifts to worship ANY DAY

Will's right! Nature ITZ. Came to happen for no apparent reason. Evolution of sheep dung thats all! Big bang then a lotta cosmic goup....fleas, rats, monkeys, niggers then White people, who just like to create stuff, again for no apparent reason.


Hey, I'm buyin Will! I'll take that parcel of Florida swampland too. Nature goin drain dat shit fo me! Gots me a tiny acorn right up on the mantle of my Florida dream house. Big panoramic window dat lets me see the sun god every morning! Put feathers on my head and dance around in circles everytime it comes up cuz ifn i didn't it might not! Oh yeah...I seed da light and it's giben me a sunburn!

ah well gentlemen leave to a man of less resolute will than yourselves, such as your correspondent, his fantasies and hopes that a man above time will come back to us again, a Great White Warlord who like Constantine or Charlemagne will crush our enemies both near and far underfoot and establish a new solar order in place of the rot. If I need my myths and legends and ritual and smells and bells to fortify me you are free to consider me womanly. Each day I will try and get up and do my small part in a few small different ways to disorient confuse and frustrate the bad guys and hearten the good.

Meantime I welcome your critique and those who are intrigued by this criticism of Christianity such as it is may also consult the best book on the topic which is Revilo P Oliver's "Origins of Christianity." In short Oliver suggests that the origin of Christianity was Zoroastrianism- Mithraism. Which though the ancient Iranian elites may have been Aryan, according to Oliver was a faith spread by "the magi" who to him seemed distinctly Jewish. In other words, Zoroastrianism was a Jew-promoted mystery cult religion intended to weaken the Gentile host for the Jew parasite, and Christianity merely overtook it due to the Jew Diaspora into the West caused by Titus destroying the Temple.

Will, find you it ironic indeed do you not that the version of this book in print was edited and introduced by KAS who is now the chief propagandist for the rump NA and its warm and fuzzy approach to the Christians? Apparently I am not the only person who is comfortable arguing or discussing multiple different viewpoints without much concern over my own cognitive dissonance. LOL

For AE: http://www.regmeister.net/ravage.htm
You've probably read this, but if not, it's Christianity from the Chosens' point of view.

"In the long run" is the operative phrase in your statement above, VSM. Creativity does not have the right stuff for a long-run religion for Whites in it's present form for the reason you mention; granted. So what? It damn sure serves a purpose NOW for straightening out the thinking of the White man.....

I agree, Creativity is effective in putting our people’s minds right and it works with many. However, its style is very abrasive and puts off many otherwise sympathizing whites. Not only this, but some (most) of Klassen’s writings are practical ADL wish lists of things they dream of us saying. They will never quote anything that you nor I, or anyone else in the various groups and sub-groups say that has any positive message. As long as this image of us as mindless-toothless-bigoted-trailer dwellers is reinforced almost everyday on TV, in our schools, there is simply no hope for our people. WCOTC has it's overall goals right; but it is too easy for the media to demonize.

The Jews didn’t get into the position that they’re in now because they told the truth and used logical, intelligent arguments. No, they lied their asses off, told our people what they wanted to hear, or at least what tugged at their heartstrings till our people felt so guilty they compiled. Most importantly, they made very sure that their true nature (Talmudic hate against all others) wasn’t seen by the masses.

Take for instance the horrible propaganda films that the Jews on “The Learning Channel” , and so on, produce about “hate in America”. Look at who they choose to interview or cover: Always, it is some Christian Identity folk that killed somebody, Klansmen in full hood, Hollywood Nazis sporting NS-regalia or Creators. Maybe the Jews are right about us in that we are a hard-headed people! If the Jews demonize NS, to the point where the public believes any lie the media spouts at them, why continue to march with the flag? It only serves the purpose of further convincing the lemmings that “dem NAHT-ZEES is sum kinda messed’ up folk dat needs to be controlled”; then they turn on BET or MTV and see what Snoop DAWG is doing.

Everything is a matter of appearances. We (I’d say most of us), while not enthralled with non-whites, especially blacks, really don’t hate other peoples in the traditional sense. We want our own state; our own schools; our own neighborhoods; to be free of foreign, alien influence in our lives; and we want this kind of independence for everyone else in a perfect world. And yet, is this goal of “true independence for all” ever given to the masses, by television or otherwise, to consider? Of course not. We are demonized. And as long as the image of WN is synonymous with hooded Klansmen, or NS regalia, or criminals, we are only spitting in the wind.

If we think about the image we put forward, instead of cathartic-theatrics or regalia or hoods, we would have the Chosen shaking in their hippie-sandals and scrambling around shrieking about what to do to counter this.

...I welcome your critique and those who are intrigued by this criticism of Christianity such as it is may also consult the best book on the topic which is Revilo P Oliver's "Origins of Christianity."..

Will, find you it ironic indeed do you not that the version of this book in print was edited and introduced by KAS who is now the chief propagandist for the rump NA and its warm and fuzzy approach to the Christians?

Uh huh. Neither Pierce nor Oliver would approve AT ALL! But Kevin isn't the only one dissembling; the entire crew and cadre of the new NA, and whatever members remain from Pierce's era, are going along with this "we are the mainstream" crap, as well, and tossing aside what made NA unique: that Xianity was declared an ideology in direct opposition to White renewal.

Then White Revolution, in an attempt to offer us something in opposition to the new NA, went out and did the same thing, appealed to Xians, especially "true Jew" Xians. Ugh! With the Church of the Creator now effectively defunct and Pierce's Cosmotheism pissed away, there's really nothing extant in the way of a White religion other than the Folk-centered Odinist/Asatru. That's OK. The good news is that the seeds have been planted by Pierce and Klassen and Oliver and others who saw the need for a generational spiritual awakening of our people -- not just a political movement -- and their ideas are committed to print, or to tape or CD, and accessible. There will be another coming together of the remnant of uncompromising Pierce followers, but not under the organization he built. That is certain.

For AE: http://www.regmeister.net/ravage.htm
You've probably read this, but if not, it's Christianity from the Chosens' point of view.



I agree, Creativity is effective in putting our people’s minds right and it works with many. However, its style is very abrasive and puts off many otherwise sympathizing whites. Not only this, but some (most) of Klassen’s writings are practical ADL wish lists of things they dream of us saying. They will never quote anything that you nor I, or anyone else in the various groups and sub-groups say that has any positive message. As long as this image of us as mindless-toothless-bigoted-trailer dwellers is reinforced almost everyday on TV, in our schools, there is simply no hope for our people. WCOTC has it's overall goals right; but it is too easy for the media to demonize.

The Jews didn’t get into the position that they’re in now because they told the truth and used logical, intelligent arguments. No, they lied their asses off, told our people what they wanted to hear, or at least what tugged at their heartstrings till our people felt so guilty they compiled. Most importantly, they made very sure that their true nature (Talmudic hate against all others) wasn’t seen by the masses.

Take for instance the horrible propaganda films that the Jews on “The Learning Channel” , and so on, produce about “hate in America”. Look at who they choose to interview or cover: Always, it is some Christian Identity folk that killed somebody, Klansmen in full hood, Hollywood Nazis sporting NS-regalia or Creators. Maybe the Jews are right about us in that we are a hard-headed people! If the Jews demonize NS, to the point where the public believes any lie the media spouts at them, why continue to march with the flag? It only serves the purpose of further convincing the lemmings that “dem NAHT-ZEES is sum kinda messed’ up folk dat needs to be controlled”; then they turn on BET or MTV and see what Snoop DAWG is doing.

Everything is a matter of appearances. We (I’d say most of us), while not enthralled with non-whites, especially blacks, really don’t hate other peoples in the traditional sense. We want our own state; our own schools; our own neighborhoods; to be free of foreign, alien influence in our lives; and we want this kind of independence for everyone else in a perfect world. And yet, is this goal of “true independence for all” ever given to the masses, by television or otherwise, to consider? Of course not. We are demonized. And as long as the image of WN is synonymous with hooded Klansmen, or NS regalia, or criminals, we are only spitting in the wind.

If we think about the image we put forward, instead of cathartic-theatrics or regalia or hoods, we would have the Chosen shaking in their hippie-sandals and scrambling around shrieking about what to do to counter this.

You're exactly right. And we are getting better in the image department, believe me. You say, "They will never quote anything that you nor I, or anyone else in the various groups and sub-groups say that has any positive message." What really scares the Jew is knowing that White people can come on-line all day every day now and see our positive message and be exposed to the ideas of men like Pierce and Klassen and so many other stalwarts who didn't mince words. We are networking and hashing things out here and influencing each other and finding our legs. The next generation of pro-White leadership is emerging now and we will help shape them and keep them honest.

Any half-awake White man in America or anywhere else who is watching the spectacle of George Bush embracing Ariel Sharon, his "Man of Peace," both standing in front of the Israeli flag, declaring how the "peace process" will come down in Palestine, but leaving the Palestinians out of the equation -- except, of course, that we keep killing their latest Hamas resistance leader with American missles -- and knowing that his Commander-in-Chief hears the voice of Yahweh, the Jewish tribal god, telling him to invade Afghanistan, then Iraq...well, these people are just about ripe for our message. The more American flags they see burned in Iraq and Palestine and the more Americans killed to avenge those we murder, the better. Another big WTC-like attack just before the November elections will oust Bush, then in comes the Jew Kerry. Whoopee! Revolutionary conditions will just get better and better and better and we had better have something better in place than we have now.

Will's right! Nature ITZ. Came to happen for no apparent reason. Evolution of sheep dung thats all! Big bang then a lotta cosmic goup....fleas, rats, monkeys, niggers then White people, who just like to create stuff, again for no apparent reason.


Hey, I'm buyin Will! I'll take that parcel of Florida swampland too. Nature goin drain dat shit fo me! Gots me a tiny acorn right up on the mantle of my Florida dream house. Big panoramic window dat lets me see the sun god every morning! Put feathers on my head and dance around in circles everytime it comes up cuz ifn i didn't it might not! Oh yeah...I seed da light and it's giben me a sunburn!

Have you sobered up since you wrote this, Steve?

Uh huh. Neither Pierce nor Oliver would approve AT ALL! But Kevin isn't the only one dissembling; the entire crew and cadre of the new NA, and whatever members remain from Pierce's era, are going along with this "we are the mainstream" crap, as well, and tossing aside what made NA unique: that Xianity was declared an ideology in direct opposition to White renewal.

Then White Revolution, in an attempt to offer us something in opposition to the new NA, went out and did the same thing, appealed to Xians, especially "true Jew" Xians. Ugh! With the Church of the Creator now effectively defunct and Pierce's Cosmotheism pissed away, there's really nothing extant in the way of a White religion other than the Folk-centered Odinist/Asatru. That's OK. The good news is that the seeds have been planted by Pierce and Klassen and Oliver and others who saw the need for a generational spiritual awakening of our people -- not just a political movement -- and their ideas are committed to print, or to tape or CD, and accessible. There will be another coming together of the remnant of uncompromising Pierce followers, but not under the organization he built. That is certain.

Nearly all of Dr. Pierce's writing would be in published book form if Erich Gliebe had not gone on his firing spree. I think that I could have had his complete works in 15 volumes of 384 pages each, and at least some of them could have been published by now. As it is, his thoughts are scattered across lots of Free Speech back issues, which most people, if they have any issues at all, will have in hit-or-miss fashion.

I expect that those volumes would have been in demand, at least as much so as WHICH WAY WESTERN MAN was. They'd have made the NA a pile of honest money--maybe $200k in the first year, a bit less thereafter. How...unfortunate that Gliebe's actions prevented the task from being done.

But I think the focus of White organizing now should be rescue/relocation of worthy Whites. If you've been reading my "apocalypse" pages (on my website), you know that I've accepted the fossil fuel depletion "die-off" scenario predicted by Jay Hansen as factual. I expect that Homo sapiens is nearly finished as a technical species, and that it will suffer severe decimations during this century.

We might not be able to oppose the Jew-controlled governments militarily, and we might be too infiltrated and packed with egoistic opportunists to have an effective resort to terrorism, but one thing we can do is alert, and perhaps aid in the rescue of, Whites who are genetically worthy of providing a new start to our race is the post-apocalyptic world.

As for the rest, we need provide no similar information/aid in their direction. We can't be blamed for what we don't do, now, can we?

Will's right! Nature ITZ. Came to happen for no apparent reason. Evolution of sheep dung thats all! Big bang then a lotta cosmic goup....fleas, rats, monkeys, niggers then White people, who just like to create stuff, again for no apparent reason.

Hey, I'm buyin Will! I'll take that parcel of Florida swampland too. Nature goin drain dat shit fo me! Gots me a tiny acorn right up on the mantle of my Florida dream house. Big panoramic window dat lets me see the sun god every morning! Put feathers on my head and dance around in circles everytime it comes up cuz ifn i didn't it might not! Oh yeah...I seed da light and it's giben me a sunburn!

On the cover page of _The Best of Attack! and National Vanguard_, the extraordinary book KAS edited for Dr. Pierce 20 years ago, is a little Dennis Nix cartoon of an acorn with "National Alliance" written on it, dropping into the soil of "America." SteveB, who doesn't get it, pooh-poohs this symbol here with incoherent cuteness, but the acorn is the perfect symbol of Dr. Pierce's vision of what the Alliance could grow into and become, from virtually nothing, if properly protected and nurtured -- the mighty oak. The Reich used oak imagery and symbology similary to represent strength.

Have you sobered up since you wrote this, Steve?

Not much of a drinker, Will. A few beers now and then but thats about it. The point of my post was to facetiously poke fun at you "worshiping tiny little acorns" and that big bright shiny yellow thing in the sky. When I first read that I burst out laughing thinking you were joking but after re-reading your post I came to the conclusion that you were serious which actually makes it even more comical.

I mean comon Will. Niggers, Amerinds and the rest of the primitives are nature worshipers not White Men! Haven't you ever wondered how or why that really really hot thing that comes up in the sky every morning got there?

Hey, ITZ nature or evolution says Will. No supreme being, no creative force, no God, no consciousness other than Mans, no nothing behind anything, says Will. It all just happens for no apparent reason according to Will, chapter 6, verse nine.

Yikes, lack of brain cells ITZ!

What really scares the Jew is knowing that White people can come on-line all day every day now and see our positive message....

Any half-awake White man in America or anywhere else who is watching the spectacle of George Bush embracing Ariel Sharon, his "Man of Peace," both standing in front of the Israeli flag, declaring how the "peace process" will come down in Palestine......


Absolutely. One thing I’ve always thought about: What if we made a WN site just-for possible recruitment. No hardline message; no outright finger-pointing at the Jews (though mentioning Israel and Zionism and the media); perhaps just talking about Rothstein’s MTV influence on our country, the degrading of white cultural achievements and gut-punch-reaction issues like rapes in South Africa by gangs of blacks. With mass distribution of the URL to the public (something non-extremist sounding), we could attract more people by letting them take the first step, or at least educate some of the atrocities committed against us in Africa. In other words, a WN message with the overall tone of a site like www.nowarforisrael.com ; a site focused on reaching out to those who have no idea what is going on, not those who’ve known for years.

Or in the same vein; downloadable messages (like ADV but for non-WN) that can be distributed to lemmings who may have doubts, but not strong convictions about the chosens-system. For example; I’ve had three (minuscule yes, but if everyone did so….) conversions by using ADV broadcasts. The lemmings are adverse to reading - but they will listen to a half-hour message.

About the Jews and Palestinians:

Heh. They should of just pranced up to their podiums holding hands. At least that would look less conspicuous. :)

Funny story. Yesterday, I flipped on the glass-toilet to see the Dru Sjodin coverage (unlike Wichita, I guess since the murderer was mexician not black they can make mainstream news of this sick, brutal crime), when the idiot-anchor there at FOX proudly announced that the always-blameless-Jews killed the number two Hamas-guy. The joyful expression on this lemming’s face as he took us live to another lemming (this one female) in the “holyland”, to get the details, was simply awe-inspiring. You’d think he’d have an IDF uniform under his suit with the pure-self-satisfaction he took in it. Anyway, this trendy-airhead said something to the like of this ON LIVE TELEVISON.

“Hundreds of militant Palestinians are vowing acts of terror in response to the successful Israeli military operation. Palestinian militants gathered in front of the restaurant today where (adba-blaka-blaka-blaka) was killed….errrr….died.”

One can only hope that blatant Jew-as-the-eternal-force-of-Godliness coverage like this will wake up some…..

Nearly all of Dr. Pierce's writing would be in published book form if Erich Gliebe had not gone on his firing spree. I think that I could have had his complete works in 15 volumes of 384 pages each, and at least some of them could have been published by now. As it is, his thoughts are scattered across lots of Free Speech back issues, which most people, if they have any issues at all, will have in hit-or-miss fashion.

I expect that those volumes would have been in demand, at least as much so as WHICH WAY WESTERN MAN was. They'd have made the NA a pile of honest money--maybe $200k in the first year, a bit less thereafter. How...unfortunate that Gliebe's actions prevented the task from being done.
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Unfucking-believable. This seriously raises the issue of false flag. Why would Erich dick this up if he's just in it for the money? WHY? This is not adding up. We're past the evidence that the current leadership is bad for NA on tactics. If the motivation is greed, that does not add up. If the motivation is incompetence-- perhaps. But I'm wondering.

Not much of a drinker, Will. A few beers now and then but thats about it. The point of my post was to facetiously poke fun at you "worshiping tiny little acorns" and that big bright shiny yellow thing in the sky. When I first read that I burst out laughing thinking you were joking but after re-reading your post I came to the conclusion that you were serious which actually makes it even more comical.

I mean comon Will. Niggers, Amerinds and the rest of the primitives are nature worshipers not White Men! Haven't you ever wondered how or why that really really hot thing that comes up in the sky every morning got there?

Hey, ITZ nature or evolution says Will. No supreme being, no creative force, no God, no consciousness other than Mans, no nothing behind anything, says Will. It all just happens for no apparent reason according to Will, chapter 6, verse nine.

Yikes, lack of brain cells ITZ!

Gosh, NOW I get it: you're a Xian comic. You find it comical to ascribe words in quotation marks to me -- words anyone can easily see I never said. You're a funny guy. I can see the Born Again Boobs (BABs) falling out in the aisles of a Xian comedy club at your "worshipping tiny acorns w/niggers and Amerinds" routine.

Far be it from me to tell folks where we came from and where we're going. You feel comfortable in a church pew singing the praises of God's pets and worrying about burning for eternity in a hellacious sulfur pit; I'm moved standing by the ocean or in a grove on top of a mountain observing Nature.

What in hell do you think pre-Xian, pagan Europeans "worshipped" before they had Jewish Christinsanity crammed down their throats? Stonehenge, for example, is over 4500 years old and it's clear that its builders had a better grasp then of "that big bright shiny yellow thing in the sky" than you and your Jew-worshipping flock of Xian lambkins can wrap your highly evolved brains around.

I also believe that science always eventually outstrips gullibility and superstition and the ignorant "faith of a mustard seed." I think with my brain, not my heart. Do you worship tiny little mustard seeds, Steve? You go on believing in the Rock of Ages and thinking that the world is 6006 years old; I'll side with the geologists and their age of rocks. If you put stock in the pie-in-the-sky promise of everlasting life in Xian "heaven," you'd better brace yourself for the eventuality of being surrounded by good Xians, yellow, brown, black & white. I don't believe there's an afterlife for me, except through my surviving progeny, then theirs; earth is the only place my people have ever lived and our fight is here, NOT for gaining entry "up there." But if I did, being a Jew-fighter, I'd choose Valhalla over your Jewish construct of heaven -- there are no "niggers and Amerinds" in Valhalla, Steve -- Jews, either -- only gorgeous Aryan Valkyrie, peeling grapes and dropping them into my mouth and into the mouths of my heroic, fallen comrades.

Unfucking-believable. This seriously raises the issue of false flag. Why would Erich dick this up if he's just in it for the money? WHY? This is not adding up. We're past the evidence that the current leadership is bad for NA on tactics. If the motivation is greed, that does not add up. If the motivation is incompetence-- perhaps. But I'm wondering.

Gliebe is like a mule plowing a field without a man handling the reins. He's got blinders on, and it's pouring down rain. He keeps dragging the plow all over the place in every direction. He thinks he's doing a great job, but the field is becoming a big muddy, disorderly mess.

If Dr. Pierce could see his field, he'd take an ax handle to Eric the mule's head.

Gosh, NOW I get it: you're a Xian comic. You find it comical to ascribe words in quotation marks to me -- words anyone can easily see I never said. You're a funny guy. I can see the Born Again Boobs (BABs) falling out in the aisles of a Xian comedy club at your "worshipping tiny acorns w/niggers and Amerinds" routine.

Far be it from me to tell folks where we came from and where we're going. You feel comfortable in a church pew singing the praises of God's pets and worrying about burning for eternity in a hellacious sulfur pit; I'm moved standing by the ocean or in a grove on top of a mountain observing Nature.

What in hell do you think pre-Xian, pagan Europeans "worshipped" before they had Jewish Christinsanity crammed down their throats? Stonehenge, for example, is over 4500 years old and it's clear that its builders had a better grasp then of "that big bright shiny yellow thing in the sky" than you and your Jew-worshipping flock of Xian lambkins can wrap your highly evolved brains around.

I also believe that science always eventually outstrips gullibility and superstition and the ignorant "faith of a mustard seed." I think with my brain, not my heart. Do you worship tiny little mustard seeds, Steve? You go on believing in the Rock of Ages and thinking that the world is 6006 years old; I'll side with the geologists and their age of rocks. If you put stock in the pie-in-the-sky promise of everlasting life in Xian "heaven," you'd better brace yourself for the eventuality of being surrounded by good Xians, yellow, brown, black & white. I don't believe there's an afterlife for me, except through my surviving progeny, then theirs; earth is the only place my people have ever lived and our fight is here, NOT for gaining entry "up there." But if I did, being a Jew-fighter, I'd choose Valhalla over your Jewish construct of heaven -- there are no "niggers and Amerinds" in Valhalla, Steve -- Jews, either -- only gorgeous Aryan Valkyrie, peeling grapes and dropping them into my mouth and into the mouths of my heroic, fallen comrades.

Why is it everytime I mention a Supreme Being or Creator I'm accused of being a "xtian"? Iv'e said many times before, I'M NO CHRISTIAN! Don't go to church of any kind, don't make donations, don't get on bended knee for anyone! But that doesn't mean I can't believe in a Creator does it, Will? Is your dogma so entrenched that it precludes you from even the thought of Higher Intelligence. Is mans consciousness the end all and be all of everything? Wow...talk about "pie in the sky".

You like science Will, so do I. You like physics? How about that White guy Issac Newton? Does that first law of thermodynamics ring a bell? The First Law of Thermodynamics simply states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed (conservation of energy). In other words you cannot create energy from nothing. It can, however, be converted from one form to another. Not just some energy or certain energy...but ALL energy falls under the 1st Law of thermodynamics. This is not a theory, Will. I'ts not like Einstein making up shit and calling it science. This is a natural law!

Now lets take it a bit further shall we, Will. I'll try to keep it simple cuz I know book learnin ain't yo thang. You, Will williams believe that when you die thats it. The match has gone out, end of existance, game over. Wrong Will! That belief violates the 1st LOTD. The energy that powers your physical body cannot be created nor destroyed. Yes your physical body can die but the energy(religion calls it the spirit or the soul) that powers it can't die...it can only be converted from one form to another.

You still with me, Will? Good, lets move on to lesson 2!

The 2nd Law of thermodynamics states that all processes go only in one direction, which is the direction of greater and greater degradation of energy, in other words, to a state of higher and higher entropy. For example, Will goes to the side of a hill and places a ball on the ground. It rolls downhill not uphill, right Will? When Will wakes up in the morning after a bout of heavy drinking he needs his cup of java. He places liquid water in a pot and heats it to 212 degrees Fahrenheit and the water vaporizes not freezes.The 2nd law tells us which way a process will go. The 2nd law tells you a system will go from a higher energy state to a lower energy state over time. Now what does all this mean Will? It means that there is tremendous order in the universe, your body, planetary motion, the water cycle etc. Where did this order originate, Will? A natural law of science says not on its own, thus a better explanation is that order arose from an orderly intelligent entity.

So who is right, Will? You or me?

Who has blind faith, Will? People like you who believe order arose by chance and energy can be destroyed or dies or came from nothing? Or someone like me who a has rational faith. People like me who believe God gave order to the Universe and that a supernatural God created matter and energy which is supported by science and requires far less faith than your silly, primitive, uneducated notions about life and death and God?

Will Williams-"science always eventually outstrips gullibility and superstition and the ignorant".

Yeah buddy! Lesson over!

Why is it everytime I mention a Supreme Being or Creator I'm accused of being a "xtian"? Iv'e said many times before, I'M NO CHRISTIAN! Don't go to church of any kind, don't make donations, don't get on bended knee for anyone! But that doesn't mean I can't believe in a Creator does it, Will? Is your dogma so entrenched that it precludes you from even the thought of Higher Intelligence. Is mans consciousness the end all and be all of everything? Wow...talk about "pie in the sky".

You like science Will, so do I. You like physics? How about that White guy Issac Newton? Does that first law of thermodynamics ring a bell? The First Law of Thermodynamics simply states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed (conservation of energy). In other words you cannot create energy from nothing. It can, however, be converted from one form to another. Not just some energy or certain energy...but ALL energy falls under the 1st Law of thermodynamics. This is not a theory, Will. I'ts not like Einstein making up shit and calling it science. This is a natural law!

Now lets take it a bit further shall we, Will. I'll try to keep it simple cuz I know book learnin ain't yo thang. You, Will williams believe that when you die thats it. The match has gone out, end of existance, game over. Wrong Will! That belief violates the 1st LOTD. The energy that powers your physical body cannot be created nor destroyed. Yes your physical body can die but the energy(religion calls it the spirit or the soul) that powers it can't die...it can only be converted from one form to another.

You still with me, Will? Good, lets move on to lesson 2!

The 2nd Law of thermodynamics states that all processes go only in one direction, which is the direction of greater and greater degradation of energy, in other words, to a state of higher and higher entropy. For example, Will goes to the side of a hill and places a ball on the ground. It rolls downhill not uphill, right Will? When Will wakes up in the morning after a bout of heavy drinking he needs his cup of java. He places liquid water in a pot and heats it to 212 degrees Fahrenheit and the water vaporizes not freezes.The 2nd law tells us which way a process will go. The 2nd law tells you a system will go from a higher energy state to a lower energy state over time. Now what does all this mean Will? It means that there is tremendous order in the universe, your body, planetary motion, the water cycle etc. Where did this order originate, Will? A natural law of science says not on its own, thus a better explanation is that order arose from an orderly intelligent entity.

So who is right, Will? You or me?

Who has blind faith, Will? People like you who believe order arose by chance and energy can be destroyed or dies or came from nothing? Or someone like me who a has rational faith. People like me who believe God gave order to the Universe and that a supernatural God created matter and energy which is supported by science and requires far less faith than your silly, primitive, uneducated notions about life and death and God?

Will Williams-"science always eventually outstrips gullibility and superstition and the ignorant".

Yeah buddy! Lesson over!

Not so quick, Teach! Come back here. Tell us more about this god you believe in. Is it tangible or does it take some of that mustard seed shit to be able to see it and hear it's good message? Your mumbo-jumbo double-talk, trying to dismiss my own beliefs with Newton's laws of thermodynamics is unconvincing. The burden is on the believer to prove his beliefs, not on the disbeliever to disprove the believer's belief. You'd do well to read Thomas Payne's _Age of Reason_, Steve, since you are master bibliophile. It's over 200 years old and reads as well today as then. We'd probably find ourselves in agreement with much that ol' Tom had to say about religion.

But back to your so-called Supreme Power/Creator; how do you plan to get this Supreme entity to work to the advantage of the White race? Open your door on a cold day and let the heated air (your Creator) out? Open your door on a hot day and let the hot air (your Creator) in, to waste all that conditioned air? The little woman isn't going to go for that. But I'm sure you can explain it all to her better than you've done here.

The highest Law of Nature is the Law of Survival. Our race has literally lost its will to survive. How do you and your all-powerful Creator plan to fix that? Is it your god that has things so fucked up now? I mean, it is "SUPREME," right? Are you going to stand on a box at a street corner and spout about Newton's laws of thermodynamics and that White people had better listen to your message or they will soon be extinct? That's some thin soup for nourishment. I'll keep working with others for a solution to our religious dilemma, probably a synthesis of the works of Pierce, Klassen, David Lane, Steve McNallen and any others who put the primacy of race ahead of ALL inexplicable spookcraft. We must have faith in ourselves and our people, alone, if we are to see salvation from extinction, Teach. Nobody else and no spook -- even your Supreme Creator -- is going to step in and do it for us. Fact!

Not so quick, Teach! Come back here. Tell us more about this god you believe in. Is it tangible or does it take some of that mustard seed shit to be able to see it and hear it's good message? Your mumbo-jumbo double-talk, trying to dismiss my own beliefs with Newton's laws of thermodynamics is unconvincing. The burden is on the believer to prove his beliefs, not on the disbeliever to disprove the believer's belief. You'd do well to read Thomas Payne's _Age of Reason_, Steve, since you are master bibliophile. It's over 200 years old and reads as well today as then. We'd probably find ourselves in agreement with much that ol' Tom had to say about religion.

But back to your so-called Supreme Power/Creator; how do you plan to get this Supreme entity to work to the advantage of the White race? Open your door on a cold day and let the heated air (your Creator) out? Open your door on a hot day and let the hot air (your Creator) in, to waste all that conditioned air? The little woman isn't going to go for that. But I'm sure you can explain it all to her better than you've done here.

The highest Law of Nature is the Law of Survival. Our race has literally lost its will to survive. How do you and your all-powerful Creator plan to fix that? Is it your god that has things so fucked up now? I mean, it is "SUPREME," right? Are you going to stand on a box at a street corner and spout about Newton's laws of thermodynamics and that White people had better listen to your message or they will soon be extinct? That's some thin soup for nourishment. I'll keep working with others for a solution to our religious dilemma, probably a synthesis of the works of Pierce, Klassen, David Lane, Steve McNallen and any others who put the primacy of race ahead of ALL inexplicable spookcraft. We must have faith in ourselves and our people, alone, if we are to see salvation from extinction, Teach. Nobody else and no spook -- even your Supreme Creator -- is going to step in and do it for us. Fact!

Gee Will, nice mis-direction there. You accused me of being xtian because I believed in a Supreme Being, you called me a xtian comic, born again boob and a bibliophile. I responded with scientific evidence that supports the existence of a higher power, which you poo pooed and ignored and then you came back with questions about how the Supreme Creator is going to help White people. How jewish of you! You sure you're not a member of the tribe? Ignoring scientific evidence and laws of nature is a kosher mind game isn't it?

As to Thomas Paine(not "Payne") yes I have read many of Paines works. In fact I posted something of Paines writings a few days ago on VNNF.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=44821#post44821

However, there is something that we agree upon...and that is supreme big guy isn't involved in the day to day activities of White men. We're in the mess because of us and only us is going to get us out of it.

I'll get back to you on Paines Age Of Reason. It's late now and this White man has to get his beauty sleep so he can wake up in the early morning to chase those shekels!

Cheers!

Gee Will, nice mis-direction there. You accused me of being xtian because I believed in a Supreme Being, you called me a xtian comic, born again boob and a bibliophile. I responded with scientific evidence that supports the existence of a higher power, which you poo pooed and ignored and then you came back with questions about how the Supreme Creator is going to help White people. How jewish of you! You sure you're not a member of the tribe? Ignoring scientific evidence and laws of nature is a kosher mind game isn't it?

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My apologies to you for calling you a bibliophile, a BAB and a Xian comic. The way you dish it out I didn't realize how sensitive you are. I wouldn't call you a Jew as you have me.
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As to Thomas Paine(not "Payne") yes I have read many of Paines works. In fact I posted something of Paines writings a few days ago on VNNF.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=44821#post44821

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Sorry for the brain fart, and thanks for the link. BTW, while we're nit-picking, I'll nit-pick your last line in that linked article, "God damn! Right out of Paines, Common sense and Hitlers Mein kamph!"

I really like your "God damn!." I enjoy a little blasphemy around the BABs so I can watch them wring their hands, cover their ears, gnash their teeth and get all bent out of shape worrying about my "soul." It's Mein Kampf, Steve, not Mein Kamph; "Hitlers" and "Paines" should have the little apostrophe just before the "s's" to indicate the possessive case; sense and kamp[f] should both be capitalized. Oh, and besides the unnecessary comma after "Paine[']s," your sentence, "Right out of Paine[']s, [sic] Common [S]ense and Hitler[']s Mein [K]amp[f]," is not a sentence at all.

I may not have a college degree like you, Steve, but I learned proper sentence structure (subject, verb, object, etc.) and how to diagram and analyse a sentence before I got out of the sixth grade. But, then, I metriculated through an all White public school system. You are a smart man, Steve; I guess you're a product of an integrated school system and this sort of stuff just doesn't matter to you, unless of course, you see someone else misspell a word. There's a lot of carelessness with the language on the 'Net. I wouldn't point any of your slips out except that you seem to want to avoid my questions -- speaking of misdirection -- and home in on my careless spelling of Paine. Maybe I had the Raleigh Payne's on my brain late last night when I wrote that. That's a sorry excuse, so I want to apologize to you and all the readers here for the slip up.
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However, there is something that we agree upon...and that is supreme big guy isn't involved in the day to day activities of White men. We're in the mess because of us and only us is going to get us out of it.

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Amen, brother! Have you given any thought as to how you can take your idea of a god and tweak it into some sort of useful religion for a spiritual awakening of our people? That's the only question I'd like for you to address. You ask "Who is right, me or you?" I don't know, but I think my ideas are more fleshed out than are yours. Convince me some more that you are right.
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I'll get back to you on Paines Age Of Reason. It's late now and this White man has to get his beauty sleep so he can wake up in the early morning to chase those shekels! Cheers!

Yeah, Steve, get some rest. Give my question some thought and lose the cheap shots. I'm interested in hearing your ideas.

Gee Will, nice mis-direction there. You accused me of being xtian because I believed in a Supreme Being, you called me a xtian comic, born again boob and a bibliophile. I responded with scientific evidence that supports the existence of a higher power, which you poo pooed and ignored and then you came back with questions about how the Supreme Creator is going to help White people. How jewish of you! You sure you're not a member of the tribe? Ignoring scientific evidence and laws of nature is a kosher mind game isn't it?

However, there is something that we agree upon...and that is supreme big guy isn't involved in the day to day activities of White men. We're in the mess because of us and only us is going to get us out of it.

I'll get back to you on Paines Age Of Reason. It's late now and this White man has to get his beauty sleep so he can wake up in the early morning to chase those shekels!

Cheers!

You are wasting your time arguing with Will Williams concerning Christianity, just as I have wasted my time with 'Christians' concerning Christianity.

One can argue with the Wodenists that they worship a Germanic chieftain who was on the king's list of the Angles, Saxons, Franks, Lombards, and Heruli's geneological tables as living around AD 200, and being part of the god-kings' ancestry. Before Woden there was a line of kings descended from Sceaf, a foundling found in a boat off the coast of present-day Denmark, named after the sheaf of wheat pillowing his head, along with a shield and sword. One can read all about it in R.W. Chamber's 'Beowulf,' which has been republished several times since 1925.

Before Woden was the worship of Nerthus, the goddess mentioned in Tacitus' 'Germannia' published in AD 125. The mummery of having slave girls dragged about in a cart drawn by pregnant heifers until the idol was bathed in a sacred lake on the isle of [Old] Zealand, etc. etc., was far more impressive than Williams' personal pan mythology.

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From: http://www.martinlindstedt.org/sd-2c.html

"Every tribe or group of tribes has different religious customs. The Semnones gather together every nine years to a sacred grove, then sacrifice one of their leading men after choosing him by lot. The Saxons worship Irmisul's statue at Merseburg.

"We Angles worshipped Mother Earth on the fertile island of Zealand. Every nine years the leading men of our tribes would go to her shrine in a sacred grove next to a lake. Starting in November, when cattle and other livestock were slaughtered for the winter to provide food for the gods and men and after the harvest was in, Nerthus would be drawn about the island in a veiled cart drawn not by sterile oxen but by pregnant heifers. Her cart would be guided by her mortal husband, a high priest of highest birth chosen for life. There would be three festivals commencing with the first one on the full moon after the first frost. Then another festival would be held the week after the shortest day of the whole year, starting the new year. Finally, after spring had come and the fertility of the world was assured, Nerthus would tire of human company. The heifers were slaughtered and burned on her altar. Nerthus's drawn car, her draperies, even the goddess herself would be bathed by her female attendants in a secret ceremony supervised by the high priest. Then the female attendants, who were slaves, would be drowned in the sacred lake, ending the ceremonies for another nine years.
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All of this mummery, be it Wodenist, Nerthian, or Christian totally wasted on a-theists like Will Williams. Why? Because Will Williams' only article of religious faith is in the worship of Will Williams. I used to have to listen to it all the time from the Missery LibberToons, at least until they kicked me out of the LibberToon Party and had me jailed for 'trespassing' by attending my own political lynching on Hitler's Birthday in 1997.

http://www.martinlindstedt.org/smaftime.html

Williams' religion is Solipsistic Hypocrisy. There is no room for any other dogma in William's heart or Williams' head. No need to discuss doxology or dogma with Williams, lest he appropriate some figments for weaving a fig leaf. Williams does believe in God -----> after all, God's only legitimate function is to personally piss Williams off. Williams in a different post mentioned something about Easter observance, as if coloring Ishtar eggs derived from Eostre's bunnies will almost certainly always drive His Own Personal Demon-YHWH over the edge.

Let Williams worship Williams. I used to tell my little grandsons to stop playing with their pee-pees when they came out of the shower, but Williams' paw-paw and maw-maw are long dead, and so Williams will do as He pleases.

http://www.martinlindstedt.org/me-god.html

Never trust anyone who worships Hisself. You'll eventually always violate His Most Sacred Tabus by not worshipping Hisself as much as He does.


--Martin Lindstedt
A Defender of the [Dual-Seedline Christian Identity] Faith

...but at least you're a big, fat, child-molester who worships a mythical Jew bastard.

Now quit following me around, Mr. Buttinsky, and I'll resume worshipping myself and my race while I wait for for Steve B to come back here and tell me how his god is going to save our race.


You are wasting your time arguing with Will Williams concerning Christianity, just as I have wasted my time with 'Christians' concerning Christianity.

One can argue with the Wodenists that they worship a Germanic chieftain who was on the king's list of the Angles, Saxons, Franks, Lombards, and Heruli's geneological tables as living around AD 200, and being part of the god-kings' ancestry. Before Woden there was a line of kings descended from Sceaf, a foundling found in a boat off the coast of present-day Denmark, named after the sheaf of wheat pillowing his head, along with a shield and sword. One can read all about it in R.W. Chamber's 'Beowulf,' which has been republished several times since 1925.

Before Woden was the worship of Nerthus, the goddess mentioned in Tacitus' 'Germannia' published in AD 125. The mummery of having slave girls dragged about in a cart drawn by pregnant heifers until the idol was bathed in a sacred lake on the isle of [Old] Zealand, etc. etc., was far more impressive than Williams' personal pan mythology.

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From: http://www.martinlindstedt.org/sd-2c.html

"Every tribe or group of tribes has different religious customs. The Semnones gather together every nine years to a sacred grove, then sacrifice one of their leading men after choosing him by lot. The Saxons worship Irmisul's statue at Merseburg.

"We Angles worshipped Mother Earth on the fertile island of Zealand. Every nine years the leading men of our tribes would go to her shrine in a sacred grove next to a lake. Starting in November, when cattle and other livestock were slaughtered for the winter to provide food for the gods and men and after the harvest was in, Nerthus would be drawn about the island in a veiled cart drawn not by sterile oxen but by pregnant heifers. Her cart would be guided by her mortal husband, a high priest of highest birth chosen for life. There would be three festivals commencing with the first one on the full moon after the first frost. Then another festival would be held the week after the shortest day of the whole year, starting the new year. Finally, after spring had come and the fertility of the world was assured, Nerthus would tire of human company. The heifers were slaughtered and burned on her altar. Nerthus's drawn car, her draperies, even the goddess herself would be bathed by her female attendants in a secret ceremony supervised by the high priest. Then the female attendants, who were slaves, would be drowned in the sacred lake, ending the ceremonies for another nine years.
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All of this mummery, be it Wodenist, Nerthian, or Christian totally wasted on a-theists like Will Williams. Why? Because Will Williams' only article of religious faith is in the worship of Will Williams. I used to have to listen to it all the time from the Missery LibberToons, at least until they kicked me out of the LibberToon Party and had me jailed for 'trespassing' by attending my own political lynching on Hitler's Birthday in 1997.

http://www.martinlindstedt.org/smaftime.html

Williams' religion is Solipsistic Hypocrisy. There is no room for any other dogma in William's heart or Williams' head. No need to discuss doxology or dogma with Williams, lest he appropriate some figments for weaving a fig leaf. Williams does believe in God -----> after all, God's only legitimate function is to personally piss Williams off. Williams in a different post mentioned something about Easter observance, as if coloring Ishtar eggs derived from Eostre's bunnies will almost certainly always drive His Own Personal Demon-YHWH over the edge.

Let Williams worship Williams. I used to tell my little grandsons to stop playing with their pee-pees when they came out of the shower, but Williams' paw-paw and maw-maw are long dead, and so Williams will do as He pleases.

http://www.martinlindstedt.org/me-god.html

Never trust anyone who worships Hisself. You'll eventually always violate His Most Sacred Tabus by not worshipping Hisself as much as He does.


--Martin Lindstedt
A Defender of the [Dual-Seedline Christian Identity] Faith

I think I'm beginning to understand why my aunt told me it's not polite to talk politics and religion. LOL

...but at least you're a big, fat, child-molester who worships a mythical Jew bastard.

Now quit following me around, Mr. Buttinsky, and I'll resume worshipping myself and my race while I wait for for Steve B to come back here and tell me how his god is going to save our race.

When it comes down to it, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference between yourself and Covington, in your feminine efforts to defame people you don't like. Worship yourself and have done with it.

Nobody is 'following' you. If you don't like what I have to say, then you can ignore me or put me on your ignore list. You belong with your own kind, like Traitor Glenn Miller and those who will turn on their 'friends' whenever their own interests and safety are threatened. Why don't you tell Steve B. all about how Your Own Personal-Pan Solipsistic Deity is going to save the White Race? My point regarding yourself is that there is no love and concern in your heart and mind for anyone or anything other than Will Williams, and thus you are guaranteed to betray anyone stupid enough to trust you, just as your associate Glenn Miller did.

--Martin Lindstedt

When it comes down to it, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference between yourself and Covington, in your feminine efforts to defame people you don't like. Worship yourself and have done with it.

Nobody is 'following' you. If you don't like what I have to say, then you can ignore me or put me on your ignore list...--Martin Lindstedt

Good idea. You have overserved your purpose here with me. Good luck to you and Yahweh with your child molestation mess.

[kerplunk!]

I think I'm beginning to understand why my aunt told me it's not polite to talk politics and religion. LOL

This is no time to be polite, AE. The ladies need to go into the parlor and knit potholders or something if they can't take the straight talk of their men.

Hey, why do you suppose Steve B never answered my question? He declared himself the winner of our debate after giving up and running off to go earn shekels, or something. Weak! Weak! Weak!

well it's great to see you back, Will, I hope things are going well for you. I have to split for the night. The sun just went down and in my smallish/ medium sized midwestern town apparently the 30K nigs or so are celebrating the solstice as I hear some sporadic gunfire. Welcome to Amerikwa.

Well, I'm not going to turn this into a religious debate, but to understand Gal. 3:28, one has to have a pretty good working knowledge of the Bible and CI theology, and not just take certain quotes out of context to suit ones pre-conceived notions. Read on to verse 29, and try to understand what the "promise" was, and why the writer of Galatians emphasized "Jew" (Judean; Israelite) and "Greek".
The problem with a lot of CI people (particularly some in the more radical elements of the movement) is they are poorly educated in theology. Take such arguments to some of the more "mainstream" CI elements (and I hate to use that term, but there is a "spectrum" within the Identity movement almost akin to the mainstream political spectrum) and they'd just make you feel silly for asking.
Ultimately you will believe what you want to believe, and that's fine, as long as you're racially conscious (in my opnion) and active in the struggle, however you see fit. Hopefully in the near future there will be more getting out and actually DOING something, a less time spent on forums attacking each others' faith. My 2 cents anyways ........

- Scott
www.aryanpatriot.tk

steve b posted who has blind faith, will?
people like you who believe order arose by chance and energy can be destroyed or dies or came from nothing? or someone like me who has rational faith. people like me who believe God gave order to the universe and that a supernatural God created matter and energy which is supported by science. why is it everytime i mention a supreme being or creator i'm accused of being a "xtian"? iv'e said many times before, i'm no christian. don't go to church of any kind, don't make donations, don't get on bended knee for anyone! but that doesn't mean i can't believe in a creator does it.steve b is winning
satan hates whiteys
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=25895

Wheres the proof...?
Oops... Forgot! There is none!!
:krofl

The Romans said he was the King of Jews
Matthew 27:11 *¶And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.

Then The Romans mockingly placed King of Jews above his head.
Mark 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
He never said he was a Jew or king of Jews he is merely Galilean.

The Romans said he was the King of Jews
Matthew 27:11 *¶And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.

Then The Romans mockingly placed King of Jews above his head.
Mark 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
He never said he was a Jew or king of Jews he is merely Galilean.


Um, you're quoting jewish sources for jewish sources...?
:rolleyes:
He is merely mythical...!
:razz