The paranoids will be afraid of this but the truth is, this would help our cause quicker than anything we are doing now. It will get rid of the quacks and frauds. Would going underground like the Turner Diaries suggest be good for establishing white nationalism?

I am beginning to think so.

I'm beginning to think you're a jew.

Like I said, the paranoids will run for the hills on this one. Paul is a prime example of that. Another paranoid person who runs around going "kike, kike, kike" and "jew, jew, jew". We don't need people like you.

See what I mean? Hello jew and welcome to the cyber world of real jew haters. You know what I really hate about the internet, joo? I really hate that I can''t be telling you this in person. You're a human cancer, jew. The Arabs hate you. The Europeans hate you. The Russians hate you. The Asians hate you. There's no one left to jew, joo. It's the end of the road, joo.

[QUOTE=PSC]The paranoids will be afraid of this but the truth is, this would help our cause quicker than anything we are doing now. It will get rid of the quacks and frauds. Would going underground like the Turner Diaries suggest be good for establishing white nationalism?

I am beginning to think so.[/QUOTE]

Pauls right! You are a jew!

So saying we should use the tactics that Dr. Pierce uses in the Turner Diaries makes me a Joo. Looks like I chose the wrong board to actually discuss real tactics that can help White Nationalism. Oh well, I'll let the paranoids and the mentally unstable run their mouths here while we real men come up with a realistic plan.

--
PSC

So long, rat face.

Paul = defective who just wants to cry on message boards than doing something.

[QUOTE=PSC]So saying we should use the tactics that Dr. Pierce uses in the Turner Diaries makes me a Joo. Looks like I chose the wrong board to actually discuss real tactics that can help White Nationalism. Oh well, I'll let the paranoids and the mentally unstable run their mouths here while we real men come up with a realistic plan.

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PSC[/QUOTE]

"Terrorists tactics" are not a "realistic plan". The Turner Diaries was a book of fiction meant to sell and make money. It was never meant to be a blueprint for White Nationalism. As to your statement...."I'll let the paranoids and the mentally unstable run their mouths"....heh, yep!

Hi Paul, glad to see you didn't quit this esteemed forum forever!

On a related note... from our compatriots at Natvan:

Bureau of Prisons Official Interferes with Matthew Hale Trial
News/Comment; Posted on: 2004-04-11 23:40:55 [ Printer friendly ]

Government mole attempts to entrap his supporters

CHICAGO — A government mole is surfing White nationalist Web site discussion groups in a clumsy attempt to generate illegal activity among Matthew Hale supporters.

The mole has been posting from the IP address 206.138.130.2 which resolves to gatekeeper.bop.gov — the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

This Federal Bureau of Prisons official has interfered with the trial of Mr. Hale by attempting to organize a demonstration against his interests in front of the courthouse, and by suggesting that activists who refuse to "martyr" themselves for Hale are cowards.

While posing as a White nationalist, the provocateur writes:

"I found a map on Mapquest.com for the federal courthouse at 219 Dearborn Street, Chicago, IL 60604-1702. Let us meet in front under our glorious banner. Are there any Creators in Chicago that could coordinate a meeting place for the demonstration? I realize that everyone can't be there for the entire trial, but maybe we could all plan on meeting in front of the courthouse on April 20th, complete with banners. That would be awesome!"

When White nationalists respond by suggesting that such an event would not be in the best interests of Mr. Hale, the government mole writes:

"And what would you do besides writing nasty letters and veiled threats? Become a martyr? Or does your activism stop at words?"

The thinly veiled suggestion that Hale supporters should "martyr" themselves on the courthouse steps is a tactic identical to the one used by the other government mole — Tony Evola — who also recommended illegal activity in a recorded telephone conversation with the WCOTC leader.

One must assume that if any White nationalist had agreed to meet the Federal Bureau of Prisons official in front of the courthouse, as suggested, they would have been arrested and given treatment similar to Mr. Hale's — probably timed to coincide with the arrival of the mostly non-White jury.

This is just another example of the total and complete lack of honor and decency among those who are directing the persecution of Matthew Hale, an innocent man.

The government mole's attempt to entrap Hale supporters may have ended when e-group moderators confronted him. The mole responded with the following e-mail:

"I have nothing to do with the courts, the investigation or the FBI... why don't you remove the IP info from the message? I will notify authorities if there is any threat to me or any virus attack on the system."

Remove the IP info? Not likely. Here are the e-mail addresses used by the mole:

cheesehead1488@yahoo.com
nomud2003@yahoo.com

Here are the nicks used by the mole:

klassen boy
cheesehead1488
not4u
eat me

Here are the IP addresses used by the mole:

dsc06-chc-il-209-109-242-43.rasserver.net
dsc01-chc-il-209-109-240-81.rasserver.net
dsc02-chc-il-209-109-230-194.rasserver.net
dsc06-chc-il-209-109-235-39.rasserver.net
dsc01-chc-il-209-109-227-185.rasserver.net
dsc01-chc-il-209-109-240-101.rasserver.net
dialup-4.158.171.110.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net
dialup-4.158.168.5.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net
dialup-4.158.90.104.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net
dialup-4.158.171.87.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net and, of course
206.138.130.2 = www.bop.gov

[QUOTE=Ossian]Hi Paul, glad to see you didn't quit this esteemed forum forever!

On a related note... from our compatriots at Natvan:

Bureau of Prisons Official Interferes with Matthew Hale Trial
News/Comment; Posted on: 2004-04-11 23:40:55 [ Printer friendly ]

Government mole attempts to entrap his supporters

CHICAGO — A government mole is surfing White nationalist Web site discussion groups in a clumsy attempt to generate illegal activity among Matthew Hale supporters.

The mole has been posting from the IP address 206.138.130.2 which resolves to gatekeeper.bop.gov — the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

This Federal Bureau of Prisons official has interfered with the trial of Mr. Hale by attempting to organize a demonstration against his interests in front of the courthouse, and by suggesting that activists who refuse to "martyr" themselves for Hale are cowards.

While posing as a White nationalist, the provocateur writes:

"I found a map on Mapquest.com for the federal courthouse at 219 Dearborn Street, Chicago, IL 60604-1702. Let us meet in front under our glorious banner. Are there any Creators in Chicago that could coordinate a meeting place for the demonstration? I realize that everyone can't be there for the entire trial, but maybe we could all plan on meeting in front of the courthouse on April 20th, complete with banners. That would be awesome!"

When White nationalists respond by suggesting that such an event would not be in the best interests of Mr. Hale, the government mole writes:

"And what would you do besides writing nasty letters and veiled threats? Become a martyr? Or does your activism stop at words?"

The thinly veiled suggestion that Hale supporters should "martyr" themselves on the courthouse steps is a tactic identical to the one used by the other government mole — Tony Evola — who also recommended illegal activity in a recorded telephone conversation with the WCOTC leader.

One must assume that if any White nationalist had agreed to meet the Federal Bureau of Prisons official in front of the courthouse, as suggested, they would have been arrested and given treatment similar to Mr. Hale's — probably timed to coincide with the arrival of the mostly non-White jury.

This is just another example of the total and complete lack of honor and decency among those who are directing the persecution of Matthew Hale, an innocent man.

The government mole's attempt to entrap Hale supporters may have ended when e-group moderators confronted him. The mole responded with the following e-mail:

"I have nothing to do with the courts, the investigation or the FBI... why don't you remove the IP info from the message? I will notify authorities if there is any threat to me or any virus attack on the system."

Remove the IP info? Not likely. Here are the e-mail addresses used by the mole:

cheesehead1488@yahoo.com
nomud2003@yahoo.com

Here are the nicks used by the mole:

klassen boy
cheesehead1488
not4u
eat me

Here are the IP addresses used by the mole:

dsc06-chc-il-209-109-242-43.rasserver.net
dsc01-chc-il-209-109-240-81.rasserver.net
dsc02-chc-il-209-109-230-194.rasserver.net
dsc06-chc-il-209-109-235-39.rasserver.net
dsc01-chc-il-209-109-227-185.rasserver.net
dsc01-chc-il-209-109-240-101.rasserver.net
dialup-4.158.171.110.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net
dialup-4.158.168.5.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net
dialup-4.158.90.104.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net
dialup-4.158.171.87.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net and, of course
206.138.130.2 = www.bop.gov[/QUOTE]
Outstanding post, Ossian!

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[QUOTE=Steve B]"Terrorists tactics" are not a "realistic plan". The Turner Diaries was a book of fiction meant to sell and make money. It was never meant to be a blueprint for White Nationalism.
...
[/QUOTE]

True; although Dr. Pierce once commented that such works of fiction (and that one in particular) were often much more effective than statistics, reasonable arguments, etc., in awakening the masses of 'lemmings' to the reality of our deadly serious plight. So I suspect that was his main purpose in publishing it.

Ossian

Thanks for the heads up. BTW, things have been heating over in England lately, eh? I heard Combat 18 cut off an Asian’s head and put it on a fencepost. LOL, there might be civil war over in UK before here I reckon.
Cheers

TG

[QUOTE=T.Garrett]I heard Combat 18 cut off an Asian’s head and put it on a fencepost. [/QUOTE]

Goddamit, now that's what I call performance art! Sure beats blue man group or the vagina monologues, eh, T. Garrett?

[QUOTE=PSC]The paranoids will be afraid of this but the truth is, this would help our cause quicker than anything we are doing now. It will get rid of the quacks and frauds. Would going underground like the Turner Diaries suggest be good for establishing white nationalism?

I am beginning to think so.[/QUOTE]

If you're a race traitor and you know it say PSC!

If you're a infiltrator and you know it say PSC!

If you're a scumbag and you know it and you really want to show it, if you're a crypto jew and you know it say PSC!

______________________________________

No self-respecting jew would show his hand as openly as this fedgov rat. That is pure 100% white race traitor informant. Hope the wire they duck taped to your taint catches fire. The incitement to violence on the "Let's be serious" thread is even more blatant.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=3768

I guess there is a plus side to the defectives the public shul system keeps churning out. Keep up the good work and say "Hi" to Matt Hale for us, scumbag!

[QUOTE=T.Garrett]Ossian

Thanks for the heads up. BTW, things have been heating over in England lately, eh? I heard Combat 18 cut off an Asian’s head and put it on a fencepost. LOL, there might be civil war over in UK before here I reckon.
Cheers

TG[/QUOTE]

Combat 18 were set up by ZOG in the first place. I would ignore all these calls to form illegal groups and the like as they will be infiltraited quickly.

Best way to act is legally and by lone wolf strategy and tell NO ONE who you are and what you are doing, dont go bragging to anyone.

Below is some articles of interest.

http://www.nationalanarchist.com/strategy.html

http://www.nationalanarchist.com/faq.html

PSC isn't clever enough to be an agent provocateur or paid informant.
He's just a free-lance zionist trolling the boards to play with himself.
It will NEVER be necessary to use violence. The truth will set us free--and the iron media curtain the zionist masters erected is being ripped down by forums such as this. Tune in (to the truth), Turn on (the heat of speaking the truth to each other in ways whites haven't done in 3 generations),
and Drop Out (of the Zionist media circus of spectacular lies, one bigger than the next)!

My site, www.killtheenemy.com will tell you how to do terrorist acts on US soil along with a list of people whom needs to be killed now.

[QUOTE=halturnershow]My site, www.killtheenemy.com will tell you how to do terrorist acts on US soil along with a list of people whom needs to be killed now.[/QUOTE]

here's another bozo. what is that, a false flag to harvest IPs for Homeland security?

[QUOTE=whitegold]PSC isn't clever enough to be an agent provocateur or paid informant.
He's just a free-lance zionist trolling the boards to play with himself.
It will NEVER be necessary to use violence. The truth will set us free--and the iron media curtain the zionist masters erected is being ripped down by forums such as this. [/QUOTE]

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard! The truth counts for nothing! You can spend the rest of your life telling the truth but the media will easily destroy you!

Dont talk of illegal stuff. Thats one of the rules of this board. While I may agree with some of the stuff, ZOG would just love for you to start talking about it openly and get your ass busted. Lets not get anyone in trouble.

YES ! ! ! A THOUSAND TIMES YES !

http://www.churchofthesonsofyhvh.org/warfare_links.htm




[QUOTE=PSC]Is it time for WN to go underground and use "terrorist" tactics? .[/QUOTE]

Bullshit ! Dr Pierce many times stated that holding rallies and passing out fliers would never take the place of the unpleasant bloody things that we would have to do before this is over.




[QUOTE=Steve B]"Terrorists tactics" are not a "realistic plan". The Turner Diaries was a book of fiction meant to sell and make money. It was never meant to be a blueprint for White Nationalism. As to your statement...."I'll let the paranoids and the mentally unstable run their mouths"....heh, yep![/QUOTE]

Truth sets none of us free; it only makes the restraints tighter and our souls more craven. You have to kill the guard, in the end. Anyone putting up the white flag here is really putting up the white and blue flag. You can cry "no violence!" right up until you're being booked at county by a fat negress with a badge who looks at *you* as vermin. Verily, your time will come, and at that time your heart will not be crying for peace. The bonehead, above, who mentioned Hitler's dictum that terror can be broken only by greater terror is right on track; he's the sort of guy we need, practically. And, sure, talking about it is indiscreet. But what average WN would trust someone talking coup? Nine times out of ten - if you're not arrested before this - you'll get either someone calling you a jew secret agent, or a dipshit peacenik decrying violence. This is *apart* from the fact that even those few who will lend a sympathetic ear will not want to be personally involved in such activity. Why would they? That means danger, maybe death, maybe imprisonment. God forbid we stake our hides on something like an active, armed resistance, overt or not. It's better to make more conferences, read more books, more news articles, etc. That's the way to set ourselves free! Truth and law-abiding shit-eating.

Actually, FREEDOM should not be in our vocabulary: we no longer have the right to dream of the freedom we would like to see. THAT ideal is impossible. We had the world; we gave it away.


The point of violence now is only REVENGE.


Time, money, blood -- all worthless if not spent on this end. I'm sure you're pleased to tell yourselves otherwise. That is fine. But you're here because you're angry, not because you're peaceful. Draw the only conclusion your anger demands.

[QUOTE=MrOutis]You can cry "no violence!" right up until you're being booked at county by a fat negress with a badge who looks at *you* as vermin.[/QUOTE]

VERY TRUE. That's what Dr. Pierce tried to tell us. I believe that the time for violence was long ago.

Dr. Pierce wrote The Turner Diaries for money? Bullshit!!
He was a revolutionary and advocated violence and so do I. That is not illegal in itself. Sorry Georgie, but this is the usa and, [SIZE=6]IMO[/SIZE], the only way to take the power back from the jews is a civil war or a Turner Diaries revolt where the jewish bosses are "evacuated" from the scene. If someone comes along who has the resources to do so and does that we have a constitutional right to revolt and join the revolutionary process.

Things can be done on a lone wolf basis...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1581603088/qid=1081901798/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6025945-9630561?v=glance&s=books

Don't join a group to do anything. [SIZE=3]Don't[/SIZE] tell your girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Todd in FL]VERY TRUE. That's what Dr. Pierce tried to tell us. I believe that the time for violence was long ago.

Dr. Pierce wrote The Turner Diaries for money? Bullshit!!
He was a revolutionary and advocated violence and so do I. That is not illegal in itself. Sorry Georgie, but this is the usa and, [SIZE=6]IMO[/SIZE], the only way to take the power back from the jews is a civil war or a Turner Diaries revolt where the jewish bosses are "evacuated" from the scene. If someone comes along who has the resources to do so and does that we have a constitutional right to revolt and join the revolutionary process.

Things can be done on a lone wolf basis...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1581603088/qid=1081901798/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-6025945-9630561?v=glance&s=books

Don't join a group to do anything. [SIZE=3]Don't[/SIZE] tell your girlfriend.[/QUOTE]


On a side note: you still day-trading Todd? Gone to Argentina yet?

[QUOTE=A6 Intruder]Bullshit ! Dr Pierce many times stated that holding rallies and passing out fliers would never take the place of the unpleasant bloody things that we would have to do before this is over.[/QUOTE]

Guys who sit on there ass and write books and give radio speeches advocating others to violence while standing coolly above the fray raking in shekels is not someone I have much respect for.

Why don't you internet nutbags try reading a little history for once!

"In 1928 Hitler began his attempt to build the power of the party by democratic means. In the 1928 election the Nazi Party received just under 3 percent of the vote, but during the campaign it had gathered a strong base."

"In new elections held that September, the Nazis scored a great electoral breakthrough, increasing their representation in the Reichstag from 12 to 107"

"In elections held in 1932, the Nazis received more votes than any other party, and Hitler demanded that President Hindenburg appoint him chancellor".

[QUOTE=Michael De Smet]On a side note: you still day-trading Todd? Gone to Argentina yet?[/QUOTE]

Yes, still trading. No Argentina yet... may change my mind to Chile. Guns are easier to get and there are less laws regarding them compared to Argentina. I will leave but no time soon. Probably 2 years... no more, maybe less.

Were you on Resistence board? That was a rowdy time there.

[QUOTE=Steve B]Guys who sit on there ass and write books and give radio speeches advocating others to violence while standing coolly above the fray raking in shekels is not someone I have much respect for.
[/quote]

There are leaders and followers. Leaders don't put themselves in harms way because their role is more important for the overall cause... that's war 101 and you should already know that. You can't reasonably criticize Dr. Pierce for anything he did. His role was to educate and that's what he did. Mathews role was to be a soldier. You can't fight mother nature.


Why don't you internet nutbags try reading a little history for once!

C'mon man, have some respect. All of us have read history... some more than others. If you know something we don't then just tell us, don't try to belittle your WN brothers.




"In 1928 Hitler began his attempt to build the power of the party by democratic means. In the 1928 election the Nazi Party received just under 3 percent of the vote, but during the campaign it had gathered a strong base."

"In new elections held that September, the Nazis scored a great electoral breakthrough, increasing their representation in the Reichstag from 12 to 107"

"In elections held in 1932, the Nazis received more votes than any other party, and Hitler demanded that President Hindenburg appoint him chancellor".

Germany pre 1933 is WAY different than usa 2004. The jews run the whole scene. I support a legal takeover but the odds are WAY against us. Lone wolf revolutionaries may not solve the problem as a whole but it won't hurt... especially if they eleminate some commie mover and shaker activitists.

Well said Todd. Just because someone disagrees no need to get nasty. Internet nutbags ehh ? Ahhmm aren't you on the same net there Steve B ?



[QUOTE=Todd in FL]There are leaders and followers. Leaders don't put themselves in harms way because their role is more important for the overall cause... that's war 101 and you should already know that. You can't reasonably criticize Dr. Pierce for anything he did. His role was to educate and that's what he did. Mathews role was to be a soldier. You can't fight mother nature.



C'mon man, have some respect. All of us have read history... some more than others. If you know something we don't then just tell us, don't try to belittle your WN brothers.





Germany pre 1933 is WAY different than usa 2004. The jews run the whole scene. I support a legal takeover but the odds are WAY against us. Lone wolf revolutionaries may not solve the problem as a whole but it won't hurt... especially if they eleminate some commie mover and shaker activitists.[/QUOTE]

As I've stated many times before, as long as the average person has his television, McDonalds, movie theater, niggerball, rap music and everything else he enjoys, then he will simply not give a damn about what you have to say. Take away his luxuries and then you can be your ass hes gonna start listening. I dont know if something Turner Diaries style is even necessary since things are already starting to get bad. By 2050 well be a minority..and well see what happens then.

But then again..it would be nice if we didnt have to live to such a time to see that happen. This is a whole nother conversation and I'm not going to start it because I dont want to get into anything illegal. I suggest the same for the rest of you. Dont take this type of conversation too far because the Feds would just love to bust your ass.

Ok, I was a little over the line with that last post! My apologies to Todd and A6.

This kinda goes without saying but, one need not suffer from paranoia to realize the value of staying mum regarding "going underground" on a public forum!

I cannot refrain from suggesting that threads of this nature disappear from the forum as quickly as they appear.

[QUOTE=PSC]The paranoids will be afraid of this but the truth is, this would help our cause quicker than anything we are doing now. It will get rid of the quacks and frauds. Would going underground like the Turner Diaries suggest be good for establishing white nationalism?

I am beginning to think so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=torcher88]
I cannot refrain from suggesting that threads of this nature disappear from the forum as quickly as they appear.[/QUOTE]
Ditto, torcher88.

[QUOTE=Spengler]Ditto, torcher88.[/QUOTE]

copy that!

[QUOTE=IronWorker]Why is the Turner Diaries copyrighted?? Why is anyone who attempts to distribute it for free (on the internet for example) sued for copyright infringement???
...[/QUOTE]

I imagine it's copyrighted because money is power and WLP wanted to make some power to attain his objectives. Right? Seems reasonable to me. As for people being sued for reproducing it, do you have any proof of that? Like where and when did that actually happen? Just out of curiosity.

[QUOTE=IronWorker]Why is the Turner Diaries copyrighted?? Why is anyone who attempts to distribute it for free (on the internet for example) sued for copyright infringement???

Dr. Pierce wrote it for several reasons, one of which was to fund other NA activities, there is nothing wrong with being cognizant of this. It in no way diminishes Dr. Pierces work to save the White Race.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't even require confirmation to believe that, AE. The current mercenary shadow of its former self status aside, the old NA was Pierce: that's one thing from the ADL bio that is true. It lasted as long as it did because he kept a tight rein on it, financially and dissension wise. No apologies necessary, as far as I'm concerned.

Even though the ZOG interviews with Pierce were selectively edited and taken out of context, he was smart enough to know they would be, and enough of the real man comes through somewhat. I've also noticed there are certain consistencies in the "scurrilous lies" surrounding his alleged behavior. I'm quite certain Dr. Pierce was not what you'd consider a "nice man." I'm not altogether convinced he was even a "good man." He was in some ways, however, a great man. And the latter rarely have the luxury of being the former. Achieving greatness actually precludes being too familiar, sentimental and affable. The examples in history are too numerous to mention.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]I wouldn't even require confirmation to believe that, AE. The current mercenary shadow of its former self status aside, the old NA was Pierce: that's one thing from the ADL bio that is true. It lasted as long as it did because he kept a tight rein on it, financially and dissension wise. No apologies necessary, as far as I'm concerned.

Even though the ZOG interviews with Pierce were selectively edited and taken out of context, he was smart enough to know they would be, and enough of the real man comes through somewhat. I've also noticed there are certain consistencies in the "scurrilous lies" surrounding his alleged behavior. I'm quite certain Dr. Pierce was not what you'd consider a "nice man." I'm not altogether convinced he was even a "good man." He was in some ways, however, a great man. And the latter rarely have the luxury of being the former. Achieving greatness actually precludes being too familiar, sentimental and affable. The examples in history are too numerous to mention.[/QUOTE]

The supposedly scandalous thing that has come out publically was that he had a healthy sex drive and for an old man a big one. That doesnt bother me at all. What seems sad is that the succession plan at NA was not naught. I can forgive that too. It's not uncommon for an entreprenurial type to fail to plan for his own demise. Actually, it's the general rule rather than the exception. Something about building an org identified with your persona prevents you from planning to un-identify it once your persona is expired.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]The supposedly scandalous thing that has come out publically was that he had a healthy sex drive and for an old man a big one. That doesnt bother me at all. What seems sad is that the succession plan at NA was not naught. I can forgive that too. It's not uncommon for an entreprenurial type to fail to plan for his own demise. Actually, it's the general rule rather than the exception. Something about building an org identified with your persona prevents you from planning to un-identify it once your persona is expired.[/QUOTE]

There's a certain aloofness I noted in the man, which many have confirmed. Again, a common trait in people who are actually achieving something great. I wasn't talking about his peccadilloes; you can tell he was a horny old guy from random descriptive passages in Hunter. Not something I would fault him for.

He think he knew how to distance himself from losers (unlike Butler & Metzger) and that means you can't be everyone's friend. We all have to learn that lesson in WN.