Hello, people. Just about to sign off for the night, I'd like to get some reaction to this regarding Mueller, his conference, and the shadowy forces attempting to stomp out VNN brushfires of light and truth. Just what kind of a thing have we got here in WN, anyway, folks? Have I got it figured about right, or is there something missing I'm not seeing? I remember when Stormfront was something admirable; now I'm told they're not even allowing any mention of our rally in Topeka. Is this what it's come to? It seems to me to be growing clearer almost daily that there's a faction in racism-revisionism that wishes to be the only faction, and regularly resorts to the jewiest of tactics and mousy whisperings to kill nascent & functional factions in the cradle. What do you say?


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Subject: Mueller goes crabwise under pressure

Dear Fellow Patriot!

Some small but important info about the conference. I
received e-mails, asking about the weather. Today we
had rain and it was a tremendous relief. We already
had up to 90 degrees. So, the weekend of the
conference will be pleasant - no winter clothes
needed.

Also, the conference starts at 7:30am each day with
breakfast, the first speaker at 9:00am. It is going to
be two full days. Should you get "bored" visit me in
the kitchen.

And here is a very uncomfortable issue, but I have to
let you know. As you know, I am really not rich.
Putting this conference together was on a shoestring
budget, with the help of a few financial contributors.
In the last week, these financial contributors raised
serious concerns about Vanguard News Network and Alex
Linder. I resisted for an entire week, however, was
forced to cave in.

Now hear this. The 2004 International Revisionist
Conference is officially distancing itself from
Vanguard News Network and we have uninvited Alex
Linder. I still disagree with this decision, but
everyone has a "boss". Without the financial help of
these contributors, the conference would not exist. I
have no idea what the issues are.

Ed. Note: Concerns so serious they can't be mentioned...hmmm...very dark and ominous stuff. Very jewy, judas-y stuff. What kind of Aryan behavior is this? Pitiful. But you know what? The shadowy forces that don't want VNN appearing at the Mueller conference we've been promoting for months, before anyone else, have a bit of problem. You see, VNN has contributors too. And one of them bought us a non-refundable plane ticket on the promise that I attend and report on this conference. I also have a ticket to the conference itself supplied by Mr. Mueller himself, in thanks for our promoting his show. He tells me privately he wants me there, but, feh, whatz a goy to do? So what I'm trying to say here is, to anybody who wants to get in my way: I will be at this show. I will be in the audience. I will be talking to people. I will be reporting on the show. And if you, Mark Weber, Kevin Strom, Don Black, or any of your assorted boyfriends/sycophants don't like that, well, we'll handle that in Sacramento on Saturday.



To Walter Mueller: hansgemuetlich@yahoo.com

Re: your most recent "Patriot Letter":

No Alex Linder ( VNN); no Gary and Sandra Ojala. We will not be attending the conference; please return our $70.00 registration fee. (I don't really expect you to to that; if you do not, please consider it a 'donation' to the 'cause' which you have dishonored).

Ed. Note: The issue at stake here is whether the IHR-Stormfront-NA axis is going be allowed to bitch and lie and in general act like jews behind the scenes while preaching piously in public about the "high road." If you want a White movement that acts like jews, thinks like jews, and in certain cases works with jews, then these are the places to put your mind and money.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]Hello, people. Just about to sign off for the night, I'd like to get some reaction to this regarding Mueller, his conference, and the shadowy forces attempting to stomp out VNN brushfires of light and truth. Just what kind of a thing have we got here in WN, anyway, folks? Have I got it figured about right, or is there something missing I'm not seeing? I remember when Stormfront was something admirable; now I'm told they're not even allowing any mention of our rally in Topeka. Is this what it's come to? It seems to me to be growing clearer almost daily that there's a faction in racism-revisionism that wishes to be the only faction, and regularly resorts to the jewiest of tactics and mousy whisperings to kill nascent & functional factions in the cradle. What do you say?
[/QUOTE]

Give it some time Alex... As the future grows ever darker, we WILL unite.

Read up on the Clans of Scotland. Very similar.

Goodnite.

Tree-house club syndrome. I don't know much about movement politics but I think you have the right idea to ignore their snotty little disinvitation. Go, and let them react either to show some class or to show their ass.
Reading the column earlier in letters made me want to pack the flivver and drive out and support you. Plus, I'd just like to attend.
Go and represent VNN with dignity. Take good notes and pictures.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder] Hello, people. Just about to sign off for the night, I'd like to get some reaction to this regarding Mueller, his conference, and the shadowy forces attempting to stomp out VNN brushfires of light and truth. Just what kind of a thing have we got here in WN, anyway, folks? Have I got it figured about right, or is there something missing I'm not seeing? I remember when Stormfront was something admirable; now I'm told they're not even allowing any mention of our rally in Topeka. Is this what it's come to? It seems to me to be growing clearer almost daily that there's a faction in racism-revisionism that wishes to be the only faction, and regularly resorts to the jewiest of tactics and mousy whisperings to kill nascent & functional factions in the cradle. What do you say?[/QUOTE]


Alex

I would crash their jewy little fucking circlejerk and demand time at the podium! Those fucking pussies! Watch your back there Alex, a White movement that acts like jews, thinks like jews, and in certain cases works with jews, IZ jEWS!!
Cheers

TG

PS Alex, you know the NA and allies are behind this.

[QUOTE=T.Garrett]Alex

I would crash their jewy little fucking circlejerk and demand time at the podium! Those fucking pussies! Watch your back there Alex, a White movement that acts like jews, thinks like jews, and in certain cases works with jews, IZ jEWS!!
Cheers

TG

PS Alex, you know the NA and allies are behind this.[/QUOTE]

Fuck-em all, Alex! Go there and stand tall! Demand your right to speak! If they try to stop you... well you might just have a few friends there that Mueller, Weber, Black and Strom might not be aware of.

Golly gee wiz I hate to play hardball with fellow WN's but if Linder is going to be "dis-invited" to a conference that he has helped promote for months then to coin a phrase...."'Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer".

Did anyone read this weeks ADV? bashing "freaks" in the movement. Alex- I think you should be going if anyone is. You are beyond a doubt among the best and brightest. To use financial pull to get you uninvited is despicable. Why would any group try to corner the market on Revisionism? Unless they were receiving money from another party to control that arena. They must have contributed heavily to the conference to think they have enough juice to get Alex uninvited. Have they got that kind of money to spend?

Who the hell is Mueller?

You really can't believe all of the readers here are dimwits can you? That would be self-inclusive, wouldn't it?
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]Hmmm...it's in Sacramento, eh? I'm only 150 miles away. Perhaps I should just show up with some comrades. If you think I can cause havoc with the dimwitted in this forum, you should see what I could do with 10 buddies in public.[/SIZE] :D[/QUOTE]

Why shouldn't we all crash it, at least show up and give our good buddy Linder a little professional support. Hell, the more the merrier right??? Haven't we all been planning to attend for quite some time now???

[QUOTE=T.Garrett]Alex

I would crash their jewy little fucking circlejerk and demand time at the podium! Those fucking pussies! Watch your back there Alex, a White movement that acts like jews, thinks like jews, and in certain cases works with jews, IZ jEWS!!
Cheers

TG

PS Alex, you know the NA and allies are behind this.[/QUOTE]

If we only used it right. I think Alex is Evolving for the Better, hopefully!!
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]I don't mean to say everyone here is dimwitted. You certainly are not. But at least 50%, the ones whining the most about my posts, are.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

My take on this is that you're seeing the public face of a behind-the-scenes tantrum of jealousy and ego.

The NA and Stormfront jewy types are happy being the biggest crawdads in the WN "movement" mud puddle, a puddle that's getting shallower. VNN is threatening that little cash cow for them through competition for money and people. Instead of improving the post-Pierce NA, which wouldn't be that hard given how far they've sunk and would benefit all Whites, they'd rather tear down one of the few growing forms of White media that has any degree of success or ability to unite Whites to common cause. I was willing to let the NA and Stormfront lie. Yes, there are differences and lingering bad blood over the "coup" fallout last year, but I thought a policy of mutual indifference would work. I can see that that is no longer the case. The NA is becoming the GOP of the WN movement in that it's uniquely positioned to lull our folk with "look-what-they're-doing-to-us-now" reports designed to separate fools from their money, all without any ways to improve the situation, besides cutting the NA a check, that is. This strategy is similar to the NRA, which would be out of business without goy control to rail against or the ADLs and SPLCs of the world, which thrive on enough anti-jewism to rake in the cash from little old jewish ladies but not enough to fill cattle cars. Another jewy link between the tactics of a Dumper Foxman and the Stroms of the world. Such actions speak for themselves.

I haven't read the latest ADV on movement "freaks" but I have a sneaking suspicion that one could dress and act however one pleased without being called a "freak" as long as the check to the NA cleared.

No, instead of turning that mud puddle into a river, the NA types are happy clinging to the turds at the edge as it gets progressively more arid, all the while attacking anyone who suggests we go get a hose.

I respectfully request that any VNN fans in the area attend the conference incognito to watch Mr. Linder's six o'clock as I wouldn't put anything past types who use such jewy tactics. I don't suggest any overt action or disruption, as that will only fuel charges that the VNN faction (and I hate that WN has factions) is unruly or undisciplined and would spoil what promises to be something positive, in spite of the ugliness of late.

We desperately need some unity in the movement and the fact that we haven't even a drop of it suggests that disruptors and plain ol' losers within are having the desired effect, from the jew point of view.

We don't want a bunch of assholes there tying up all the cops do we?
[QUOTE=MadScienceType]I respectfully request that any VNN fans in the area attend the conference incognito to watch Mr. Linder's six o'clock as I wouldn't put anything past types who use such jewy tactics. I don't suggest any overt action or disruption, as that will only fuel charges that the VNN faction (and I hate that WN has factions) is unruly or undisciplined and would spoil what promises to be something positive, in spite of the ugliness of late.[/QUOTE]

I challenge Meuller to step forward and say who the moneybags are that disinvited Linder. He says it was feminists? Is Elisha got money to throw around? If so from where? Who is behind it? Let Meuller either reverse his course, or answer this or people may just assume the Worst.

What is the Real Reason Linder is Being Silenced?
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=3955

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I challenge Meuller to step forward and say who the moneybags are that disinvited Linder. He says it was feminists? Is Elisha got money to throw around? If so from where? Who is behind it? Let Meuller either reverse his course, or answer this or people may just assume the Worst.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]Hello, people. Just about to sign off for the night, I'd like to get some reaction to this regarding Mueller, his conference, and the shadowy forces attempting to stomp out VNN brushfires of light and truth. Just what kind of a thing have we got here in WN, anyway, folks? Have I got it figured about right, or is there something missing I'm not seeing? I remember when Stormfront was something admirable; now I'm told they're not even allowing any mention of our rally in Topeka. Is this what it's come to? It seems to me to be growing clearer almost daily that there's a faction in racism-revisionism that wishes to be the only faction, and regularly resorts to the jewiest of tactics and mousy whisperings to kill nascent & functional factions in the cradle. What do you say?

Subject: Mueller goes crabwise under pressure

Dear Fellow Patriot!

Some small but important info about the conference. I
received e-mails, asking about the weather. Today we
had rain and it was a tremendous relief. We already
had up to 90 degrees. So, the weekend of the
conference will be pleasant - no winter clothes
needed.

And here is a very uncomfortable issue, but I have to
let you know. As you know, I am really not rich.
Putting this conference together was on a shoestring
budget, with the help of a few financial contributors.
In the last week, these financial contributors raised
serious concerns about Vanguard News Network and Alex
Linder. I resisted for an entire week, however, was
forced to cave in.

Now hear this. The 2004 International Revisionist
Conference is officially distancing itself from
Vanguard News Network and we have uninvited Alex
Linder. I still disagree with this decision, but
everyone has a "boss". Without the financial help of
these contributors, the conference would not exist. I
have no idea what the issues are.

Ed. Note: Concerns so serious they can't be mentioned...hmmm...very dark and ominous stuff. Very jewy, judas-y stuff. What kind of Aryan behavior is this? Pitiful. But you know what? The shadowy forces that don't want VNN appearing at the Mueller conference we've been promoting for months, before anyone else, have a bit of problem. You see, VNN has contributors too. And one of them bought us a non-refundable plane ticket on the promise that I attend and report on this conference. I also have a ticket to the conference itself supplied by Mr. Mueller himself, in thanks for our promoting his show. He tells me privately he wants me there, but, feh, whatz a goy to do? So what I'm trying to say here is, to anybody who wants to get in my way: I will be at this show. I will be in the audience. I will be talking to people. I will be reporting on the show. And if you, Mark Weber, Kevin Strom, Don Black, or any of your assorted boyfriends/sycophants don't like that, well, we'll handle that in Sacramento on Saturday.



To Walter Mueller: hansgemuetlich@yahoo.com

Re: your most recent "Patriot Letter":

No Alex Linder ( VNN); no Gary and Sandra Ojala. We will not be attending the conference; please return our $70.00 registration fee. (I don't really expect you to to that; if you do not, please consider it a 'donation' to the 'cause' which you have dishonored).

Ed. Note: The issue at stake here is whether the IHR-Stormfront-NA axis is going be allowed to bitch and lie and in general act like jews behind the scenes while preaching piously in public about the "high road." If you want a White movement that acts like jews, thinks like jews, and in certain cases works with jews, then these are the places to put your mind and money.[/QUOTE]

================

Alex:

The vast majority of 'our' [bowel] Movement is full of yellow whiggers all worshipping #1 theysselfs, and Mueller is one of them. Right now all of us who are the Resistance effectives are simply going about our own business, communicating to our audiences our different messages. The Resistance is a network, not a hierarchy. Those who got Mueller to disinvite you are probably reading your thread on this matter, and worrying that it might affect their own bottom line. Fine.

If you have your expenses paid, then go to Mueller's conference and report on what goes on there as you agreed to do. If Mueller bows under pressure again and allows you to speak, fine. In not, then you have your duties.

I'd also put out the word that your loyalists don't ever support Mueller again. Make Mueller attach himself to Stormfront's, Duke's, NA's and Weber's declining ships. Ghettoize them instead. You do what is honorable, make them act dishonorable.

--Martin 'Mad Dog' Lindstedt
Republican Candidate for Governor of Missouri
www.martinlindstedt.org

The Resistance is a network, not a hierarchy.

Shit, I wish more people realized that.


Those who got Mueller to disinvite you are probably reading your thread on this matter, and worrying that it might affect their own bottom line.

Bingo.


You do what is honorable, make them act dishonorable.

Bullseye.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I challenge Meuller to step forward and say who the moneybags are that disinvited Linder. He says it was feminists? Is Elisha got money to throw around? If so from where? Who is behind it? Let Meuller either reverse his course, or answer this or people may just assume the Worst.[/QUOTE]

Any compromise with Feminism ultimately destroys White society. Just look at the posts of Blabrielle (Gabrielle) on Stormfront, she perceives everything in the world from a "Women's Studies" point of view. Jews or no Jews, these kinds of women are incapable of holding together a marriage because they are always arguing with men just to prove they can. Feminism is the #1 cause of the high divorce rate among Whites. Divorce is causing White children to be raised by JEW television and movies instead of a family unit. They can't have a family unit because Feminism shattered it.

Don Black is a fucking pussy who sold out for cash from John Jew Tree and other so-called "moderates". The ADL laughs at these treehouse WN movements who jockey for "power" while the Jews focus on the goal and have REAL POWER. An organization like the World Jewish Congress has 5,000X times more real world power than Stormfront but Don Black has an overinflated opinion of himself and his role in the world so he considers himself VITAL to the entire White race?????

Too much of WN is about individual men trying to appoint themselves GOD to be lavished with praise and worship from followers. It's an ego motive rather than community.

Very good points, OR.

Everyone in the "movement" wants to be the head honcho, but no one wants to be the grunt that gets the work done. I am reminded of nothing so much as nigger countries where the leader is always a self-appointed "General" with a monkey-suit costume to match. These same countries are invariably shitholes.

I have no problems with being a private, so long as the generals know what they're doing, but so far I see no evidence of that.

Just look at the posts of Blabrielle (Gabrielle) on Stormfront, she perceives everything in the world from a "Women's Studies" point of view.

Careful! You're gonna be accused of hating women and being secretly queer.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I challenge Meuller to step forward and say who the moneybags are that disinvited Linder. He says it was feminists? Is Elisha got money to throw around? If so from where? Who is behind it? Let Meuller either reverse his course, or answer this or people may just assume the Worst.[/QUOTE]
Eyup...that statement by Meuller that "feminists" are behind Linders dis-invitation seemed slightly disingenuous to say the least! Didn't Meuller post on VNN letters section a week or so back explaining why WN's don't usually allow there wives to attend functions with them?

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2004b/41104letters.htm
"In many case I have known, leaders in our movement make it a point to keep their loved ones invisible. So, therefore, whenever one goes to a meeting or event, we are confronted with a womanless crowd. I have seen leaders that even lie about their marital status. And I am not going to blame them. Let me remind you that after WWII many of the "Nazi leaders" gave away information that was false, because the Allies threatened to turn their family members over to the Russians. It pretty much is still the same. The enemy knows our weakest link, and that is our loved ones".
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"White Nationalists keep their loved ones invisible" but for some reason "feminists" put the kybosh on Linders attending the conference.....riiiite!

As a general rule, I don't go where I'm not welcome. I don't think Alex should go to the conference. Although, the revisionists take their work very seriously and I do respect what they do, I believe revsionism is not integral to the racial nationalist political struggle. Their work is historical, ours is political. I don't think that anyone who is a racialist or a nationalist or a separatist must also be a revisionist. Let them do their thing. I think Alex and VNN are great propagandists for The Struggle. So what if he's not welcome among the revsionists. You will only be harming each other by turning this into a mud-slinging match.

The people on this board are too quick to divide instead of unite. Think about it. You trash other Europeans, Slavs or Russians. You trash women. You trash the NA and Stormfront. Divide and conquer is what the jewasites do.

[QUOTE=Steve B]
Eyup...that statement by Meuller that "feminists" are behind Linders dis-invitation seemed slightly disingenuous to say the least!..... [/Quote]

Oh you bet. The easiest thing in the world to say is "Hey pal, it wasn't ME who objected to your invitation, I LOVE your website and commentary, etc. etc., in fact I couldn't wait to hear you speak. But it was those other guys and girls over there who didn't want you. I stuck up for you big time but they overruled me when I defended you...."

Yeah sure.

Edit: sp

[QUOTE=Paul]As a general rule, I don't go where I'm not welcome. I don't think Alex should go to the conference. Although, the revisionists take their work very seriously and I do respect what they do, I believe revsionism is not integral to the racial nationalist political struggle. Their work is historical, ours is political. I don't think that anyone who is a racialist or a nationalist or a separatist must also be a revisionist. Let them do their thing. I think Alex and VNN are great propagandists for The Struggle. So what if he's not welcome among the revsionists. You will only be harming each other by turning this into a mud-slinging match.

The people on this board are too quick to divide instead of unite. Think about it. You trash other Europeans, Slavs or Russians. You trash women. You trash the NA and Stormfront. Divide and conquer is what the jewasites do.[/QUOTE]

We don't trash mentally healthy women, we trash women who refuse to respect the fact that both genders have their own roles in society. Men shouldn't act like women and women shouldn't act like men.

I've seen many posts by the women on Stormfront and they love to challenge male authority just for the sake of it. That is what children do...they are told not to do something and then they go do it!!!!! It's called spite and it's not mature at all. The "Goth" chicks on the forum have a tremendous hatred of men. I get the strong impression that many of the women on Stormfront hate their father. Hatred of Dad is very often the prime motivating factor in becoming a Feminist. Our movement shouldn't be corrupted by their personal vendettas.

[QUOTE=Paul]
....You trash the NA and Stormfront. Divide and conquer is what the jewasites do.[/QUOTE]

That's true Paul, but unconditional embrace of "Whites" or self proclaimed "White Racists" or "White Nationalists" or whatever they call themselves is foolish. Watch what people and orgs DO, not what they profess to believe. Buddying up with hostile people or groups doesn't work whether they're discreetly hostile or declare it openly.

Can anyone identify who the moneybags is that requested Meuller pull the invitation? I'm not asking for guesses. Does anyone have any credible information about that? Meuller is obfuscating. What is the answer Herr Meuller? Will your contributor step into the light? Or should we wonder who the contributors are?

If that's too much heat for Meuller, then he should have taken the blame on himself without referring to his secret contributors.

It's un-Aryan to accuse from the shadows isnt it?

Herr Meuller can show up here and say what the score is if he wants to.

If Meuller reverses this I will delete my posts on this topic.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Can anyone identify who the moneybags is that requested Meuller pull the invitation? I'm not asking for guesses. Does anyone have any credible information about that? Meuller is obfuscating. What is the answer Herr Meuller? Will your contributor step into the light? Or should we wonder who the contributors are?

If that's too much heat for Meuller, then he should have taken the blame on himself without referring to his secret contributors.

It's un-Aryan to accuse from the shadows isnt it?

Herr Meuller can show up here and say what the score is if he wants to.

If Meuller reverses this I will delete my posts on this topic.[/QUOTE]

Judging from Alex's comments in VNN letters section he seems to believe Kevin and Elisha Strom are behind most of this. That may be what Meuller is alluding to when he said "feminists" are behind the dis-invitation.

But I'm just guessing, AE.....sorry!

[QUOTE=Steve B]Judging from Alex's comments in VNN letters section he seems to believe Kevin and Elisha Strom are behind most of this. [/QUOTE]

Sounds like that she-male Strom never got over Linder's pointing out that the only interesting part of her cunt site was the scantily clad babes she put up to mock VNN.

BTW, revisionism does not equal WN, or vice versa, which is probably fine given the unfortunate reality that most 'Kwans tune out to history by JHS. Given IHR's financial woes, why divert genuine WN resources in that direction anyway?

[QUOTE=The Final Solution]Sounds like that she-male Strom never got over Linder's pointing out that the only interesting part of her cunt site was the scantily clad babes she put up to mock VNN.

BTW, revisionism does not equal WN, or vice versa, which is probably fine given the unfortunate reality that most 'Kwans tune out to history by JHS. Given IHR's financial woes, why divert genuine WN resources in that direction anyway?[/QUOTE]

This is a great point. Revisionism certainly isn't the same as WN. If you look around the world right now there is a huge amount of Revisionist Literature about The Holocaust coming out of the Islamic government of Iran. Yes, the Ayatollahs sponsor numerous books questioning issues like Auschwitz, gas chambers, etc...now these same Ayatollahs are creating contacts all over Black Central Africa and promoting Black Muslim Radicalism so obviously Revisionism is a much wider field than merely White interests.

I really wonder how much Revisionism actually creates White Nationalists if at all? If a lemming woke up tomorrow and thought, "No Jews were gassed" would it cause them to suddenly care about the White race? I doubt it!!!!

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Can anyone identify who the moneybags is that requested Meuller pull the invitation? I'm not asking for guesses. Does anyone have any credible information about that? Meuller is obfuscating. What is the answer Herr Meuller? Will your contributor step into the light? Or should we wonder who the contributors are?

If that's too much heat for Meuller, then he should have taken the blame on himself without referring to his secret contributors.

It's un-Aryan to accuse from the shadows isnt it?

Herr Meuller can show up here and say what the score is if he wants to.

If Meuller reverses this I will delete my posts on this topic.[/QUOTE]

I'm around 99.9% sure that the 'key' person in this situation is "Charles A. Lindbergh" from Stormfront (now a moderator there). His real name is Jamie Kelso. He has had numerous hysterical anti-VNN/Linder rants on Stormfront.
Kelso was listed as a Prominent Guest by Mueller shortly after Linder because Chuck claims that he is going to bring many NA/Stormfront people to the conference. Take a look here:

http://www.internationalrevisionistconference.com/guests.html

He probably bluffed and said that none of them would show up if Linder wasn't uninvinted (along with his monetary support). He recently had a 'fight' with No 1965 Chain Immigrants on Stormfront and Chain revealed that Chuck told him that Don Black, amongst other moderators, didn't like him and Chain wasn't allowed to post on threads that Chuck posted on, so this fits his personality. Chuck also has money.

This isn't to say that he didn't have others call and moan like Elisha Strom or other shrill feminists but he will be the 'financial backer' that jewed it all up.

I just saw this thread:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=3977

It looks like the Conference isn't going to materialize anyway. Even if they were to pull it off, what useful purpose would it serve for Linder or anyone else here to attend? If money is all that matters, the best thing to do would be to get people to NOT attend and make sure that Mueller is aware of it.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder] I'd like to get some reaction to this regarding Mueller, his conference, and the shadowy forces attempting to stomp out VNN brushfires of light and truth. Just what kind of a thing have we got here in WN, anyway, folks? Have I got it figured about right, or is there something missing I'm not seeing? [/QUOTE]

That's what you get for helping thankless Xian idiots, Alex. For one thing, you are a known Xian basher now and Mueller gave official notice that absolutely no Xian-bashing would be allowed at his little gathering of WWII history buffs (no Jew-bashing either, I must presume, since an Israeli has been invited to speak). Meuller's crowd sounds pretty much like the west coast version of the milquetoast Xian conservative crowd I saw at the AR conference in Northern VA in late February. Meuller is a spineless coward for buckling to the demand of his string pullers -- whoever they are -- to uninvite you. You should at least cease republishing his long newsletters on VNN if you aren't/weren't allowed entry at his conference.

I'm curious as to how Meuller kept the IHR/Mark Weber/NA crowd of history buffs and the Willis Carto/Barnes Review/ American Free Press crowd of history buffs from one anothers' throats? The last issue of Barnes Review I received had a couple of articles on how much of a Xian and Xian-lover Mr. Hitler was. Total poppycock, at least from HH's mature view of the world (see _Hitler's Secret Conversations - 1941-1944_).

The National Alliance Leadership Conference was also held this weekend and KAS spoke, so he wasn't at Meuller's shindig in CA. What gets me is that this Frank Weltner character, the "true Celtic Prophet" was a featured speaker at the NALC (see: http://www.couchpower.com/ for an eyeful of his Serpent's Seed vs. Adamic claptrap). I hear he curbed his Scripture reading for this event, but mumbled something about how in the Old South Negresses raped our 14-year old White boys so they could bear lighter offspring. Whew! I hope the SPLC didn't get a tape recording of that speech.

I can just see Dr. Pierce slowly standing up from his seat in the front row of chairs after such a comment, taking three lumbering steps to the podium, smiling, and thanking the "true Celtic Prophet" for his speech, politely cutting it short. Frankly, the "true Celtic Prophet" would never have gotten anywhere near an Alliance podium to address members on Dr. Pierce's watch; it just would not have happened. Just look at Weltner's Web site. The attorney Ed Steele was also a featured speaker. He said he was not an Alliance member and never would be. How inspiring that must have been for the audience. Dr. Griffin was the other featured speaker, but he didn't talk much about chapter 13 of his book, _One Sheaf, One Vine_: NEWS WITHOUT JEWS. Duh!

When the jews can demonstratively be proven to be the liars and cheats they are, this helps our cause immensely. It doesn't only benefit us whites however. All Races benefit from throwing off the jewish parasites!!
[QUOTE=OttoRemer]This is a great point. Revisionism certainly isn't the same as WN. If you look around the world right now there is a huge amount of Revisionist Literature about The Holocaust coming out of the Islamic government of Iran. Yes, the Ayatollahs sponsor numerous books questioning issues like Auschwitz, gas chambers, etc...now these same Ayatollahs are creating contacts all over Black Central Africa and promoting Black Muslim Radicalism so obviously Revisionism is a much wider field than merely White interests.

I really wonder how much Revisionism actually creates White Nationalists if at all? If a lemming woke up tomorrow and thought, "No Jews were gassed" would it cause them to suddenly care about the White race? I doubt it!!!![/QUOTE]

Preach it, brother Will. It will be amusing to hear about the flak Strom is going to get from NA members who bought nonrefundable airfare to the now-cancelled event.

It is not like anyone in the NA was unaware of the potential for problems. Truth be told, this Walter Mueller character has some history with the Sacramento Unit of the National Alliance. You may remember “Frau” Mueller. He was the creepy, effeminate “pastry chef” who prepared the deserts for Jim Ring and Drahomir’s NA function where Dr. Pierce was in attendance a few years back.

Afterward, Dr. Pierce specifically asked about this weirdo and it was quickly determined that Mueller was actually a well-known homosexual in the community.

Alex Linder may find comfort knowing that Mueller was himself “uninvited” to all future NA events within days of Dr. Pierce‘s visit. Senior NA member, Kevin R. O’Keefe, wrote some interesting comments about Mueller a few weeks back on the OD board:

http://forums.originaldissent.com/showthread.php?t=12737

On March 15, 2004, O’Keefe wrote:

“A man named Walter Mueller, a German immigrant and professional pastry chef, used to attend Alliance functions in Sacramento (and, in point of fact, I recently saw him at David Irving's lecture in San Francisco) but once it was deemed that the rumors were true, so to speak, he was barred from even attending our events and was personally insulted (in a somewhat over-the-top moment, in my humble opinion) in the California Alliance newsletter. In any event, I always suspected the man to be a homosexual and once that became the prevailing view, he was not permitted to attend our events (at least one of which, attended by Dr. Pierce, he had provided the numerous and very good desserts for). I think that says a lot more about our attitude towards homosexuality than the fact that some mincing queer showed up at an AR conference.”


Perhaps someone in California can post a scan of the Golden State newsletter regarding Mueller. On the same OD thread, there is mention of another fag wearing an NA Rune pin who reportedly defended homosexuality at the AR conference you attended, Will. The post originates here:


"http://www.thornwalker.com:16080/ditch/neff_ar2004.htm"

A strange moment at the AR

By RONN NEFF


I, too, attended the AR [American Renaissance] Conference, and easily the strangest moment came during the question-and-answer period after Joe Sobran's speech. In the course of it, Sobran had made a few comments about the homosexual agenda in conjunction with same-sex unions. He employed once again a favorite quotation of his from G.K. Chesterton that refers to "the modern and morbid habit of always sacrificing the normal to the abnormal."

One of those who stood in line to ask Sobran a question was a fellow who took issue with Sobran's use of the concept "normal" while discussing homosexuality. In what sense, he asked, could homosexuality be considered abnormal, since it had a genetic origin? Sobran replied, and the man, dissatisfied with the answer, repeated his theme. In the exchanges that followed it was clear that the questioner was becoming ever more agitated, and that he simply did not get Sobran's point that the normal and the abnormal have nothing to do with statistics.

In the end, the fellow said that he simply disagreed with Sobran — and he stormed out of the banquet hall. A few questioners later, a slightly androgynous-looking, nattily dressed younger chap (who had worn his natty hat indoors the whole conference) came to the microphone to say that he agreed with the earlier questioner about the genetic origin of homosexuality.

This second fellow was wearing a pin that indicated that he was a member of the National Alliance. The previous questioner may have been, also, though I saw no pin on him.

I venture my own judgment — as one who has lived in the Washington, D.C., area for 35 years and who spent a fair amount of that time as a member of a high-church Episcopal congregation — that both men were homosexuals. I was under the impression that the National Alliance was inhospitable to homosexuality, but perhaps its policy has more of a "don't ask, don't tell" character when it comes down to the actual application.


Will, you attended the AR Conference. Were you there for this speech and subsequent Q&A? ( Of course, the description of a “slightly androgynous-looking, nattily dressed younger chap” could describe lots of new NA folk these days. )

And by the way, did you get an autographed National Vanguard from Kevin Strom? He was signing them at AR.



In regards to the NA Leadership Conference last weekend, did you notice on Stormfront that “Lawdog” mentioned the meeting was held in the new WLP hall that can hold “400 people,” he writes. He neglected to mention how many people actually came to the meeting. Heard last month that Gliebe and Walker mailed out more than 250 invitations. Yet, we heard (second hand) the turnout for the LC was said to be well under 100 people. Is that true?

By the way, the Prophet of Yahweh, Frank Weltner, is now one of the larger donors to the NA. Don’t expect him to be shown the door anytime soon.

It is interesting that this week’s ADV tries to make the NA out to be "mainstream." They sure did not act that way this weekend. It is being reported that the LC had armed guards with radios at the front gate and at the front door to the WLP hall. Another armed guard blocked visitor access to the road leading up to the Resistance warehouse (probably to prevent anyone from checking in on Dr. Bob.)

At least one person is said to have resigned from the Alliance during or shortly after attending the LC. Maybe someone should start a thread on VNN for folks to comment on the Conference without Stormfront “moderation.” Details about the night out on the town afterward would also be revealing.

Signed,

Klaus, (not Hadding.)

[QUOTE=White Will]

Meuller is a spineless coward
...
[/QUOTE]

That's more or less what John Bryant concludes. I also posted this link in another thread. Mentions also Carto, IHR, RPO, etc:

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/NetLoss/NetLoss-WalterFMuellerVsTheBirdmanPart1.html

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes] Is Elisha got money to throw around? If so from where? Who is behind it? [/QUOTE]

Maybe Elisha and Kevy sold one of their classic Caddies? Maybe Elisha cut down on the black lipstick? Maybe she doesn't need a new pair of Komodo Dragon skin Doc Martin's this month. Maybe...NAH!

I find it difficult to believe that no one ever considered the possibility that the venue would be yanked at the last minute due to jew pressure and so have a backup plan. I mean it's not like they've ever used this tactic before or anything. Consider the possibility that this was just a way to bow out and dodge all the bullshit by saying, "Hey, it's out of my hands, nothing I can do, so sorry."

Any public venue is going to be subject to this kind of bullshit interference. I suggest that for future conferences, try and find a hall owned by gookers. They don't give a shit about jew pressure, just the cash. As CarolontheWeb reported, quoth the little Viet convenience store owner, "I no haf probrem wif Alab, I no like jew like you" when harassed by some whiny jew about an "anti-Semitic" window display.

Here is the latest from Mueller about the Conference's cancellation and his excuses for not havng a backup venue.

From: Walter Mueller <thetruthisback@yahoo.com>
To: thetruthisback@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, April 20, 2004 9:03 am
Subject: MORE CONFERENCE STUFF

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Fellow Patriot!

The phone never stopped ringing until 11:00pm last
night. Overthrow.com called to let us know how much he
enjoys that we were thrown out of the facility. My
e-mail box is full with the most ridiculous
suggestions I have ever heard. Even people who weren't
coming to the conference, like NA leaders from
Seattle, who wanted to turn this into a big cocktail
party.

Ernst Zundel confidant James Beardsley ventures into
the twilight zone by suggesting a conspiracy and that
this was all a set-up on our part. I won't even
dignify this with an answer.

Since it doesn't stop, I have to get into some of
these suggestions:

Public Park - Big Tent:
The City of Sacramento requires a permit to use the
park if you have more then 10 people. Tents this large
are prohibited.

Somebody’s house with a big backyard:
Well, we've been looking for that for years. If you
find it, let us know.

Demonstrating in front of the Turnverein:
Yeah, right. First of all, the City of Sacramento also
requires a permit for demonstrations or rallies. They
also require security and insurance in case of damage.
If such permit has not been obtained, you will find
yourselves in county jail.

Sacramento is a big city. You can't tell us you can't
find another location:
Sure we can, if we lie, and if someone sends us a few
thousand dollars.

Public library or Community Centers:
One of the most ridiculous ones. Most public
facilities are closed on the weekend, especially
libraries.

Some other hotel:
Sure, if you provide the money.

Somewhere out of town:
Again, sure, if you provide the money to transport
people, to rent an out of town location.

I think we pretty much covered it. Please get it into
your heads that the conference is not going to happen.
I am sick of hearing any more "solutions." It's
without common sense and typical Internet gossip.

Several of the Canadians bragged that they would show
us. Yeah right. You guys can't even organize more than
60 people to help Zundel. My Community News has been
declared illegal in that country.

It really pains me to have to waste my time to explain
to you what reality is like. Most people have no idea
what it takes to put together a conference with this
many people.

Today, we finally received the certified letter from
the Turnverein, officially canceling the use of the
facility. At a later date, I will forward you this
document. And this three days before the conference.

Let me strongly assure you again that we did not
conceal any facts or lied about the conference.

Just the statement from the Turnverein's president:

"....historical revisionism has no place in our
community, our state, or our country"

should be a wake-up call for all.

"Money isn't the issue here," says one moron. Of
course not, if you have it. If we would have had a few
thousand dollars left over, we wouldn't have to cancel
the conference. Naturally, no one offered financial
help, because most of them are bloody hypocrites.

Edgar J. Steele, one of our speakers, an attorney,
won't even return my phone call. Here is some truth.
Many of the speaker’s primary goals were to promote
themselves, their cause, and make money. Not that
there is anything wrong with it. But once the
conference was cancelled, their motivation went with
it. So they don't care about the damage. Whiny Barry
Chamish was all concerned about money and his books.
Bradley R. Smith and Dr. Fredrick Toben haven't even
contacted us. This is our sponsor, who is responsible
for the finances of his speakers. They already called
us, worried about their money, because Dr. Toben isn't
reachable.

So, don't tell me money is not the issue. Germar
Rudolf wants our reservation list, so he can sell his
books. I can't blame him for that, but don't tell me
it's not about the money. With the exception of the
European speakers, most Americans didn't give a damn.

Dr. Nordbruch called us and was really concerned.
Horst Mahler and Gerhoch Reisegger awesome. Paul
Fromm, the Canadian, will come anyway and spend time
in Sacramento. But, most supportive, again, was the
IHR and Director Mark Weber, who will actually lose
the largest amount of money.

Like at the beginning of the conference, the attitude
of our own people was detrimental, so it is at the end
of this conference. If you all think you can do
better, be my guest. Show some leadership, invest some
money, and put one on yourself. But, I am pretty sure
you won't do it anyway. Hell, most of you are afraid
to write a letter to the editor with your name on it.
Proof comes with the lack of response to my request
for letters to the editor about the media coverage of
the conference. The ones that came through for us
again were the European revisionists.

So, don't give me your incredible arrogance on how you
could have done it better, and how I should not give
up. What does that mean, give up? Worst things have
happened to me than losing the location of a
conference. Give up what? My fighting spirit hasn't
been damaged. I produce a monthly newspaper, which I
said before, for the last ten years. I have
experienced the wrath of the Jews. However, this is
the first time I've experienced the wrath of my own
people. The bickering, the infighting, the attacks,
the viciousness, are just as bad as the ones as the
Jews. With one exception. The Jews don't have the
obsession with someone else's sexlife.

So, here I say it again. The conference is over!!!! If
you want to do your own little thing, do it. But don't
bother me with it anymore.

This evening I look forward of sending you my tribute
to Adolf Hitler's birthday.

*******************************************************

Walter F. Mueller
"The truth is back in business"

I'm not following what Mueller is talking about as far as "losing money" or having already "lost money"...

He had to give a deposit to the Turnverein to reserve a conference room, right? Ok, that's understandable. But now the Turnverein has notified Mueller he cannot use that conference room. That being the case the Turnverein is legally obligated to return his deposit UPON DEMAND ($15,000 ??? -- you can rent a conference room in a Red Roof Inn or Best Western for under $1000 a day. You don't tell them you're hosting a "revisionist" conference of course, you tell them it's an investment club or something).

I'm missing the part where the money has been "lost."

[QUOTE=Nick]
I'm missing the part where the money has been "lost."[/QUOTE]


Yeah, no shit. Furthermore, for almost anyone BUT Mueller, apparently, this would be a money-making situation. The venue committed a breach of contract and ought to get the living shit sued out of them. This involves the concept known as "specific performance" - for X amount of money or other consideration, you will do Y, else Z. Depending upon the language of the contract this can be one of the easiest cases in the world to win. Which is why the Turnverein would never dare fuck with, say, a convention of stamp collectors in the same manner.

Yet I've read in VNN Letters about the same thing happening elsewhere. Venues are cancelled and deposits are withheld (or so the claim goes), as if the enemy knows damn good and well the Stormfront/NA types, and WN's in general, lack the savvy and the testicular fortitude to do anything about it. Which seems to be the case so far.

[QUOTE=Gruniak]
Yeah, no shit. Furthermore, for almost anyone BUT Mueller, apparently, this would be a money-making situation. The venue committed a breach of contract and ought to get the living shit sued out of them. This involves the concept known as "specific performance" - for X amount of money or other consideration, you will do Y, else Z. Depending upon the language of the contract this can be one of the easiest cases in the world to win. Which is why the Turnverein would never dare fuck with, say, a convention of stamp collectors in the same manner.

Yet I've read in VNN Letters about the same thing happening elsewhere. Venues are cancelled and deposits are withheld (or so the claim goes), as if the enemy knows damn good and well the Stormfront/NA types, and WN's in general, lack the savvy and the testicular fortitude to do anything about it. Which seems to be the case so far.[/QUOTE]

Right. Nobody, nobody is that stupid. Reserve a room, put down a deposit, then the manager tells you you can't have the room. The world's champion dummy wouldn't just walk away from that and say oh well, I can't have the room and they're not gonna give me the money back. Guess I'm screwed....

What grown man would react like that?

I think the Turnverein is off the hook if they cancel the contract within a specified time period and promptly return the deposit, but I could be wrong about that. No matter what though this shouldn't be a show stopper for anyone with even a modicum of worldly experience. If it's only a matter of finding an alternate venue there are probably 20 franchise business motels within an hour in any direction of Sacramento that have conference rooms for rent. Just send in some no-name guy with a credit card or money order to rent a room for his "sales meeting" or something.

As far as compensation if the guy organizing some event like this says right up front he's gonna keep 5% or 10% off the top to cover his running around time and inconvenience, I don't think many people would bitch about it. But in this situation where the entire event is suddenly "OFF" and there are all kinds of unanswered simple questions, and a fair amount of cash involved that's just blithely dismissed as "lost" it understandably makes people very suspicious. Twelve year old kids whose only experience is trading baseball cards wouldn't settle for the explanations being given here.

[QUOTE=Nick]Right. Nobody, nobody is that stupid. Reserve a room, put down a deposit, then the manager tells you you can't have the room. The world's champion dummy wouldn't just walk away from that and say oh well, I can't have the room and they're not gonna give me the money back. Guess I'm screwed....

What grown man would react like that?

I think the Turnverein is off the hook if they cancel the contract within a specified time period and promptly return the deposit, but I could be wrong about that. No matter what though this shouldn't be a show stopper for anyone with even a modicum of worldly experience. If it's only a matter of finding an alternate venue there are probably 20 franchise business motels within an hour in any direction of Sacramento that have conference rooms for rent. Just send in some no-name guy with a credit card or money order to rent a room for his "sales meeting" or something.

As far as compensation if the guy organizing some event like this says right up front he's gonna keep 5% or 10% off the top to cover his running around time and inconvenience, I don't think many people would bitch about it. But in this situation where the entire event is suddenly "OFF" and there are all kinds of unanswered simple questions, and a fair amount of cash involved that's just blithely dismissed as "lost" it understandably makes people very suspicious. Twelve year old kids whose only experience is trading baseball cards wouldn't settle for the explanations being given here.[/QUOTE]

http://www.governorsinn.net/amenities/

http://www.officequest.com/Cities/Sacramento.asp

http://www.officequest.com/Cities/Sacramento.asp

http://www.alltimefavorites.com/california/facility-hotel-locations-california-sacramento.htm

http://www.rimcorp.com/OurHotels/Tours/SacUCD/sacucd.html

http://www.rimhospitality.com/html/sacucd.html

http://www.travelersdigest.com/sacramento.htm

[QUOTE=Gruniak]Yeah, no shit. Furthermore, for almost anyone BUT Mueller, apparently, this would be a money-making situation. The venue committed a breach of contract and ought to get the living shit sued out of them. This involves the concept known as "specific performance" - for X amount of money or other consideration, you will do Y, else Z. Depending upon the language of the contract this can be one of the easiest cases in the world to win. Which is why the Turnverein would never dare fuck with, say, a convention of stamp collectors in the same manner.

Yet I've read in VNN Letters about the same thing happening elsewhere. Venues are cancelled and deposits are withheld (or so the claim goes), as if the enemy knows damn good and well the Stormfront/NA types, and WN's in general, lack the savvy and the testicular fortitude to do anything about it. Which seems to be the case so far.[/QUOTE]


why do you think the pressure to cancel happens at the last second? timed right so hiring a lawyer is twice as hard and thrice as expensive. the jews wait till they see the whites of the eyes and then they shoot.

a good threat is one that makes the choice easy. jews would say, something like: hey turnscheisserein, either cancel mueller or we'll do a "sacramento bee" newspaper piece on what a bunch of racists you german gymnasts are. all your directors and officers and membership will be personally embarrassed. plus we will cover the costs of any cancellation like provide a lawyer if you do get sued. evern though we shouldnt because you dumbkopfs shouldnt be hosting nazis anyway. oy vey, how stupid are you? (German-American pussies wring hands, apologize, look down at the floor shamefacedly, grovel before the jew)

for meuller not to expect this to happen is indeed suprising. as irving's last book tour showed, there are ways of throwing off the antis.

[QUOTE=Gruniak]Yeah, no shit. Furthermore, for almost anyone BUT Mueller, apparently, this would be a money-making situation. The venue committed a breach of contract and ought to get the living shit sued out of them. This involves the concept known as "specific performance" - for X amount of money or other consideration, you will do Y, else Z. Depending upon the language of the contract this can be one of the easiest cases in the world to win. Which is why the Turnverein would never dare fuck with, say, a convention of stamp collectors in the same manner.

Yet I've read in VNN Letters about the same thing happening elsewhere. Venues are cancelled and deposits are withheld (or so the claim goes), as if the enemy knows damn good and well the Stormfront/NA types, and WN's in general, lack the savvy and the testicular fortitude to do anything about it. Which seems to be the case so far.[/QUOTE]

Well, the Turn Verein is saying he "misrepresented" himself. They for sure got some Jew lawyer who told them to say that, still it sounds real. After all, what kind of fucking idiot would stage a "neo-nazi hate fest" (ie Revisionist conference) at, of all venues, a German American hall??? In contract law, misrepresentation automatically voids any contract. If, say, it was a Vietnamese place they might have gone ahead with the gig--Ger.-Ams. are well known as wimps when it comes to this stuff and they have their legal "out."

I think Frau Fag Mueller (who is well-known locally as a faggot, as well as a lookalike for Simon Wiesenthal's son! He also puts Wiesenthal Center rants in his Patriot Letter emails) did this to get attention--that is, if the whole thing wasn't a setup all along. He's made the IHR, Adelaide Institute and others look like dorks.

What is the stupidest is the response of Bill Maniaci of the JDL. Mule put Maniaci's email in to get sympathy. The half-Italian super Jew ex-cop fuehrer of the Keystone Kikes gloats that he shut the gig down thanks to the "intelligence work" of his lame outfit. In fact, since Feb., people who sent $35 got the exact location in the mail! Meanwhile the local NA (which has banned Mule at its events) has held soirees for years, with no "JDL attention." In fact on the one occasion the two sides met the NA chased the JDL all around a local park. Walter Mueller is a pathetic waste.

this shows again how thin our talent pool is. meuller was promoting the event competently but the planning was not competent enough. I dont wonder if the linder disinvitation was part and parcel of the anti-plan.

this is one of the serious problems with WN and WN had better either grow up or just wither away into complete irrelevance. there is a collosal lack of real-world skills, talent, resources, and social competence.

for the umteenth time, we look like a bunch of fucktards.

I suggest everybody get out from behind the forum and work on real life skills and competence. no substitute for this and I'm starting with number one on this advice.

Nice goin Steve. And you found those with only 20 mins of internet digging. Booking a hall for the next NorCal conference is gonna be your responsibility. :D

[QUOTE=Nick]Nice goin Steve. And you found those with only 20 mins of internet digging. Booking a hall for the next NorCal conference is gonna be your responsibility. :D[/QUOTE]

Heh....actually it only took 5 minutes. There was page after page of listings, I only posted a few.

Sure I'll book the next NorCal conference....can I also cook the pastries? Hiho!

[QUOTE=Steve B]
Heh....actually it only took 5 minutes. There was page after page of listings, I only posted a few.

Sure I'll book the next NorCal conference....can I also cook the pastries? Hiho![/QUOTE]

You bet. Can't have a revisionist conference without a pastry chef. Am I right folks? Thank you, thank you very much.

But seriously, a funny thing happened on the way over to the show tonight....

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]this shows again how thin our talent pool is. meuller was promoting the event competently but the planning was not competent enough. I dont wonder if the linder disinvitation was part and parcel of the anti-plan.

this is one of the serious problems with WN and WN had better either grow up or just wither away into complete irrelevance. there is a collosal lack of real-world skills, talent, resources, and social competence.

for the umteenth time, we look like a bunch of fucktards.

I suggest everybody get out from behind the forum and work on real life skills and competence. no substitute for this and I'm starting with number one on this advice.[/QUOTE]

Hey AE, thanks for your sermon. Still you were right in there defending this freakmachine Waldo when I gave a heads-up weeks ago. No-one wanted to hear. Sure he was a homofag, Jewish-looking, anti-Slavic pompous ass--still, cheap brew and a chance to meet all the superstars made him hip--until he disinvited Linder. Suddenly he's the anti-Christ. You had this info for ages, don't lay it off now!

What I had in mind was not obtaining an injunction or court order to compel Turnverein to make the premises available in time for the event. That would indeed be costly and untenable. I was thinking of a long, measured, well-planned campaign of litigation after the fact.

Gonna cancel the event on us? OK. Gonna keep the money? Fine. Just be prepared to spend the next 6 months or so in court defending your decision. Trot out that "misrepresentation" stuff as often as you like. In the end, we'll see whose story the judge and jury buy. Again, the stamp collectors would wind up owning the Turnverein.

Civil litigation of this sort, where the WN is the obviously aggrieved party, is the only example of "working within the system" I see that has a chance of advancing our cause by measurable amounts. Not just by the financial gain accruing to the victim individual or organization, but by the alteration of the mindset in the rest of the white populace when they realize that it will cost the Turnvereins of this country more if they fuck with us, than they gain if they appease the jew.

Oh, and as long as we're signing up for volunteer duties at the next NorCal convention, I'll work two afternoon shifts at the beer booth.

[QUOTE=Only Rock 'N' Roll]Hey AE, thanks for your sermon. Still you were right in there defending this freakmachine Waldo when I gave a heads-up weeks ago. No-one wanted to hear. Sure he was a homofag, Jewish-looking, anti-Slavic pompous ass--still, cheap brew and a chance to meet all the superstars made him hip--until he disinvited Linder. Suddenly he's the anti-Christ. You had this info for ages, don't lay it off now![/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, PLUS you guys are attempting to put all this on the National Alliance when they (at least their local unit) are the ONLY ones on record as an organization telling the world that Mule is 1) a sword-swallowing faggot, 2) probably a Jew and 3) a lying piece of shit who works with the cops!

Mule TOLD you in the Patriot Letter how he would have cops AT THE EVENT! He TOLD you he had invited a Kahanist Israeli as a speaker! What does it take? As much of a fucktard Mueller is he still had victims, who were all well-informed ages ago. As Linder openly admits he was in on the gangbang until HE got nailed. He even had a free ticket to the gig! In denouncing this as an anti-Linder pogrom you're actually stating you wish Linder was still an honored guest at a freak-show.

[QUOTE=Only Rock 'N' Roll]
....He even had a free ticket to the gig! In denouncing this as an anti-Linder pogrom you're actually stating you wish Linder was still an honored guest at a freak-show.[/QUOTE]

Linder can attend whatever meeting he pleases. He's a big boy. I don't take marching orders from him or the norcal National Alliance for that matter.

My objection was due to the fact he was invited then three weeks later he was disinvited. I don't care if it was to a local dog show. Under those circimstances I wouldn't go and I would advise anyone else I know not to go whatever the event might be.

[QUOTE=Only Rock 'N' Roll]Oh yeah, PLUS you guys are attempting to put all this on the National Alliance when they (at least their local unit) are the ONLY ones on record as an organization telling the world that Mule is 1) a sword-swallowing faggot, 2) probably a Jew and 3) a lying piece of shit who works with the cops!

Mule TOLD you in the Patriot Letter how he would have cops AT THE EVENT! He TOLD you he had invited a Kahanist Israeli as a speaker! What does it take? As much of a fucktard Mueller is he still had victims, who were all well-informed ages ago. As Linder openly admits he was in on the gangbang until HE got nailed. He even had a free ticket to the gig! In denouncing this as an anti-Linder pogrom you're actually stating you wish Linder was still an honored guest at a freak-show.[/QUOTE]


Nice Try. No cigar. The truth is, the NA leadership was actively promoting the event more than a month ago, giving out Frau Mueller’s email address to the NA rank and file as the designated Pay Pal recipient for reservations. As this email from WSRC Roger Williams shows, the NA was also aware of Mueller’s cooperation with local law enforcement more than a month ago. Maybe Drahomir and the Sacramento unit washed their hands of this homosexual Nazi pastry chef, but the Stromites were, and still are, promoting Mueller and his event.

It is equally clear that at least some of the Washington State and California NA units were openly sustaining Mueller in the movement. David Pringle and Shaun Walker obviously have no problems with Weird Walt. They were, and still are, scheduled to attend. Gliebe and some of his Cleveland cronies were also expected.

As you can see from the internal NA member email below, Jamie Kelso, AKA Charles Lindberg, is identified as the NA’s primary on this project. Williams and/or Kelso purchased a “block” of tickets for the event and were hawking them on the boards a few days ago. Here is the email, from NA Western States Regional Coordinator, Roger Williams:


From: "Roger W."
Date: Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:28 am
Subject: April 24-25 International Revisionist Conference in Sacramento ($35 ticket)

Greetings all,

As some of you are already aware, many National Alliance members will be attending the April 24-25 International Revisionist Conference in Sacramento California. Tickets are still available for $35 but they are selling out fast. More than 300 reservations have already been made. If you are interested and able to attend, please get a reservation as soon as possible. For additional information, see below Stormfront thread/link or email charlesalindbergh@hotmail.com.

This is a very rare chance to spend two days with Edgar J. Steele, Horst Mahler and Germar Rudolf from Germany, Fredrik Toben from Australia, Paul Fromm from Canada, Mark Weber and most of the great Revisionists in the world today. I have been told that this is the first ever fully public revisionist conference. As was the case at the American Renaissance Conference last month, the audience in Sacramento will include some very prominent White nationalists from around the world.

The event runs all day Saturday and Sunday in a beautiful part of downtown Sacramento. In addition, there are 6 catered meals included in the $35 ticket. This is a bargain! One of the speakers, Edgar J. Steele, has written to his subscribers that these tickets would even be a bargain at $250.

The National Alliance will have a large presence at the event and we will be holding separate NA side-meetings as well. This is a great opportunity to share camaraderie with NA members from all over the United States and Canada. Following on the heels of the tremendously successful American Renaissance Conference, both Membership Coordinator David Pringle and COO Shaun Walker are very enthusiastic about having another large NA turnout.

The exact location of the event will be communicated to you after you make your reservations. Very inexpensive hotel accommodations, starting at $44 per night, are available (easily accommodate double occupancy). The event is guaranteed and police security is already fully arranged. The organizers have taken extraordinary measures to secure the full participation of the various Sacramento law enforcement agencies, as well as private security. The important thing is to secure your reservation immediately.

A special thread devoted to this conference is running on Stormfront. All the information you need about obtaining a reservation is included on this thread. (see below link):

"http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=108278"

If you need to register a screen name at Stormfront, you can register here (see below link):

"http://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php?referrerid=5122"

If you have any additional questions about accessing either of these links, please send an e-mail directly to charlesalindbergh@hotmail.com. He will be happy and able to answer any questions you may have.

The fastest way to get your ticket is by PayPal. Go to www.paypal.com. Use "Send Money" by "Quasi-cash" to the "Recipient" = hansgemuetlich@yahoo.com.

If you know how to use PayPal you can secure your reservation in less than two minutes. Fill in $35 for the amount per ticket and send it to hansgemuetlich@yahoo.com. Again, if you have any questions please email charlesalindbergh@hotmail.com.

It is very important that you get your ticket IMMEDIATELY as the event is selling out fast.

Thanks!

RRegards,
Roger Williams

Thanks Klaus.

My earlier apology to the National Alliance is withdrawn. They were actively promoting the conference as I originally stated. I took Only Rock 'N' Roll's word when he claimed I was in error (I called it a Mueller-Strom-Stromfront-NA-IHR production. I'll amend that to a Mueller-Strom-Stromfront-IHR production promoted by National Alliance). Maybe he was speaking in good faith and had not seen this memo you posted. If he had seen it but then still insisted to me that NA had warned everyone about and distanced itself from Mueller then he's a liar.

I had not seen that email. And I still don't see how it is pushing the conference. What it DOES look like is that NA people were attending. Why WOULDN"T they attend, if there would be hundreds of people in one place? As they, and other people here, did with AmRen. There's a difference between attending, say, a left wing film and producing it. Any other conclusion is sophistry and special pleading. The NA locally hates Mueller and bans him at all events. Mueller now is putting NA at the top of his hate-list as one of the "reasons" he got shut down.

"The National Alliance will have a large presence at the event and we will be holding separate NA side-meetings as well. This is a great opportunity to share camaraderie with NA members from all over the United States and Canada. Following on the heels of the tremendously successful American Renaissance Conference, both Membership Coordinator David Pringle and COO Shaun Walker are very enthusiastic about having another large NA turnout.

The exact location of the event will be communicated to you after you make your reservations. Very inexpensive hotel accommodations, starting at $44 per night, are available (easily accommodate double occupancy). The event is guaranteed and police security is already fully arranged. The organizers have taken extraordinary measures to secure the full participation of the various Sacramento law enforcement agencies, as well as private security. The important thing is to secure your reservation immediately."

The above doesn't strike me as Walter Mueller is an untrustworthy person and we urge everyone to stay away from him and his conference.

In fact some might say it's an encouragement to attend, especially for NA members.

If you leave it at "I didn't see that memo," I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you try to portray that email posted by Klaus as anything other than a promotion I'll say you're trying to cover your ass in a hopeless situation.

[QUOTE=Only Rock 'N' Roll]Oh yeah, PLUS you guys are attempting to put all this on the National Alliance when they (at least their local unit) are the ONLY ones on record as an organization telling the world that Mule is 1) a sword-swallowing faggot, 2) probably a Jew and 3) a lying piece of shit who works with the cops!

Mule TOLD you in the Patriot Letter how he would have cops AT THE EVENT! He TOLD you he had invited a Kahanist Israeli as a speaker! What does it take? As much of a fucktard Mueller is he still had victims, who were all well-informed ages ago. As Linder openly admits he was in on the gangbang until HE got nailed. He even had a free ticket to the gig! In denouncing this as an anti-Linder pogrom you're actually stating you wish Linder was still an honored guest at a freak-show.[/QUOTE]

Uh...what? Mueller's sex life - who cares? That's his business. This show seemed to be building into a pretty substantial and interesting thing, and a place to meet people who can bring about change. Revisionists, patriots, WN, but good men, primarily. A good place to meet people, including VNN writers and readers.

I first came across Mueller last fall. I posted his letter because it contains good stuff. I go by what is good, I don't care about the source. People are far too caught up in names and labels. The thing itself is what matters. No matter who was producing this show and what his/their agenda, it had substance.

I wasn't speaking at this show, investing money in it, or doing anything but attending like everyone else. I have not been to a revisionist show before. I want to hear these people and meet them. The people who canceled their reservations when I was disinvited -- thanks to the behind-the-scenes maneuvering of the drizzlers, as it appears -- showed what I contend: what the mass of people want is not the totalitarianism of National Alliance, but real American freedom combined with rock-hard, reality-consistent racial politics. That might be the combination that opens the lock. What NA and SF show by their reactions is that they fear free men. They act like the jews they claim to wish to displace. VNN is different. We get the people who don't want to be bossed around. The kind who used to be called Americans. If you want Kevy Strom to cut up your meat and veggies and scream at you if you let them touch -- eeek, miscvegenation! -- get on over to Don Black's. What happened anyway, Don? Tell your little pissants to quit worrying about VNN and concentrate on the big competition with Feeb Republic.

[QUOTE=Only Rock 'N' Roll]After all, what kind of fucking idiot would stage a "neo-nazi hate fest" (ie Revisionist conference) at, of all venues, a German American hall??? [/QUOTE]

Idiot, indeed. Anything remotely Germanic is simply too obvious. The kike is supposed to be clever; why make itz life easier?

This is exactly what happened to the David Irving lecture I attended. His (or a) sponsor thought he could get more attendees by mass e mail publicity, and use of a German cultural society caused consulate-induced cancellation at the last minute.

It was, ironically, immediately rescheduled (back-up plan?) to, of all places, the function room of an Episcopal Church. "He" works in mysterious ways?

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]I'd like to get some reaction to this regarding Mueller, his conference, and the shadowy forces...

VNN has contributors too.

anybody who wants to get in my way:

I will be at this show.

I will be in the audience.

I will be talking to people.

I will be reporting on the show.

And if you, Mark Weber, Kevin Strom, Don Black, or any of your assorted boyfriends/sycophants don't like that, well, we'll handle that in Sacramento on Saturday.

The issue at stake here is whether the IHR-Stormfront-NA axis is going be allowed to bitch and lie and in general act like jews behind the scenes while preaching piously in public about the "high road."

If you want a White movement that acts like jews,

thinks like jews,

and in certain cases works with jews,

then these are the places

to put your mind and money.[/QUOTE]

David Duke Works with Jews,

Do you Give him a pass,

because of all he has done for our people,

or do you think he would agree with your position

[SIZE=5]"NO JEWS JUST RIGHT"?[/SIZE]

I think what is at stake here is that Mueller (by everything I've read) had no backup location/ or locations - if the original location fell through due to Jew pressure. The bigger the event I'd say you'd need to have two backup locations ready. Losing the deposit is all part of the game to make sure you have a venue to hold your rally, conference, meeting etc. Looks like they had untold faith in this German culture center not to fold when the Jews attacked.

But more power to the IHR for picking up the ball on this when nobody else would. For not to do so then the JDL and assorted Jew organizations would of won. Just hope people who sent money for the first conference get their refunds in a timely manner.

Seeing this conference disintegrate has been quite a disappointment. The booting of Linder was a clear sign of incompetence and the rest of it followed quickly didnt it?

We need real world resources and skills including social and business skills. Right now little happens in the "movement" and when it does often it is a goatfuck like this.

Boy I'll bet Sleeze Dees will have quite a gloating article about this in the Intel Report. Dont count your chickens though Jews. The great thing about being a "loser" is you're not afraid to fail. Daring comes from courage and courage often comes from desparation. We aint dead yet.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]why do you think the pressure to cancel happens at the last second? timed right so hiring a lawyer is twice as hard and thrice as expensive. the jews wait till they see the whites of the eyes and then they shoot.

a good threat is one that makes the choice easy. jews would say, something like: hey turnscheisserein, either cancel mueller or we'll do a "sacramento bee" newspaper piece on what a bunch of racists you german gymnasts are. all your directors and officers and membership will be personally embarrassed. QUOTE]

You have got to be kidding if that's all it takes to make white people back down. Especially Germans. I thought it would take seriously credible death threats at the least. That is disgusting cowardice.

[QUOTE=Susan][QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]why do you think the pressure to cancel happens at the last second? timed right so hiring a lawyer is twice as hard and thrice as expensive. the jews wait till they see the whites of the eyes and then they shoot.

a good threat is one that makes the choice easy. jews would say, something like: hey turnscheisserein, either cancel mueller or we'll do a "sacramento bee" newspaper piece on what a bunch of racists you german gymnasts are. all your directors and officers and membership will be personally embarrassed. QUOTE]

You have got to be kidding if that's all it takes to make white people back down. Especially Germans. I thought it would take seriously credible death threats at the least. That is disgusting cowardice.[/QUOTE]

The good news is that the conference was held, and as far as the quality of speakers and information disseminated and networking -- it was a tremendous success.

The bad news is that "we" in the broadest sense, are still in the position of a bunch of women sitting around going "Omigod, can you believe what Marge is wearing?" ie, bitching, " Can you believe the jews actually do these things?" Except we're talking about the murder of tens of millions, not a dress.

The jews are no joke. They're ice-cold murderers. Honor is a joke to them. There's no money in it, and it leads you to do physically and financially dangerous things. They think we're weird fools.

The truth about our country is that it is in lockdown. The real issues are decided for us by our masters. We are allowed to keep half our earnings, and fuck and eat what we want. But any attempt to control our communities and nations will be met with a sliding response, from smearing to murder. I have to write the way I do because itz my style; but someone with a different style could write simply that our kind are being humiliated, lied, and murdered out of existence. It really is that simple.

The jew is going for the knockout punch, and our heroic Aryan imagination can't but see one last opening: the jew's face, thanks to the internet and his incompletely successful warmongering has exposed his true face to the world. Men are now standing up in public and naming him. Not White men. But Malaysian and Muslim men. The most essential truth is that, in order for our kind not to thrive but merely survive, we must destroy the jew.

GLR made an observation forty years ago about the "Oh, shit, look what they're doing to us NOW" crowd. He didn't want them near him, he considered them washwomen.

What is the alternative plan to actually DO something today? Aside from bitching on the internet?

Is it recognized that we have to accumulate some money and buy something that will allow us to promote our ideas or is it still the standard keep it poor and "dignified" (and utterly impotent)?

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]The good news is that the conference was held, and as far as the quality of speakers and information disseminated and networking -- it was a tremendous success.

The bad news is that "we" in the broadest sense, are still in the position of a bunch of women sitting around going "Omigod, can you believe what Marge is wearing?" ie, bitching, " Can you believe the jews actually do these things?" Except we're talking about the murder of tens of millions, not a dress.

The jews are no joke. They're ice-cold murderers. Honor is a joke to them. There's no money in it, and it leads you to do physically and financially dangerous things. They think we're weird fools.

The truth about our country is that it is in lockdown. The real issues are decided for us by our masters. We are allowed to keep half our earnings, and fuck and eat what we want. But any attempt to control our communities and nations will be met with a sliding response, from smearing to murder. I have to write the way I do because itz my style; but someone with a different style could write simply that our kind are being humiliated, lied, and murdered out of existence. It really is that simple.

The jew is going for the knockout punch, and our heroic Aryan imagination can't but see one last opening: the jew's face, thanks to the internet and his incompletely successful warmongering has exposed his true face to the world. Men are now standing up in public and naming him. Not White men. But Malaysian and Muslim men. The most essential truth is that, in order for our kind not to thrive but merely survive, we must destroy the jew.[/QUOTE]

A-men! Hallelujah! Thannks for going and summing it up in twenty words. Most of all, thanks for being an example of how, in the face of opposition from our own kind, how to have a backbone, stick to your guns, in a calm and confident manner.

In between painting his pastel Easter eggs and decorating his front lawn with faggoty items, did Walter know the his hero "Chemist" Gemar Rudolf is a guest speaker at the David Duke bash ?

What, a renound revisionist and Mueller's hero of today Rudolf speaking at a White Nationalist conference - oh this will never do!

WHY SO QUIET WALTER ?

http://www.davidduke.com/welcome_home.html

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]Uh...what? Mueller's sex life - who cares? That's his business.

...

I first came across Mueller last fall. I posted his letter because it contains good stuff. I go by what is good, I don't care about the source. People are far too caught up in names and labels. The thing itself is what matters.
[/QUOTE]

This from the man who wrote:

Imagine, for a moment, what itz like to be a fag. One-hundred ten partners a year. Doesn't leave much time for sleeping, eating, and working, does it? Imagine the mind of such a creature. It must be frightfully restless. Being queer sounds like an exhausing and extremely dangerous hobby, if you ask me. Pretty close to some kind of obsession, going by the numbers. And I haven't even mentioned sticking gerbils up your ass. Or fists, arms, carrots, or literal suckpooping.

...

Homos on tv are portrayed as antiseptically on the tube as they are filthy off it. And remember -- these figures only cover average spermshlooker, we're not even talking about the gold medalist cumgulping asslickers. And these creatures are portrayed not neutrally, but as positive and normal, and very few in public dare criticize them. Such is our "democracy," where we enjoy "freed speech," we tell ourselves, even as we look around to see who's listening. An American, or 'Kwan as I prefer, is a man who's afraid to say what he thinks. Who will deny that? What about the second-hand sodomy inflicted on our blood supply?


thatz from December 2003 BTW.