WN MYTHS


We will take power when the economy collapses

This is nonsense in that our enemies can keep out economy going for hundreds of years on ‘life support’ until the threat has passed (that’s the white man being around in large numbers). Just look at countries like South Africa or Mexico, their economies have not collapsed-have they? So ours won’t, as our enemies know that will give us a chance. And even it did by some fluke happen the far left are far better at seizing power than we are, just look at history.



We will wait for civil war (race war) to break out then seize power

This is another myth that goes around spoken like gospel truth. The simple fact is that their will never be a race war at all, not now not ever. And if ever such a thing where to happen the blacks/Asians would win easily! Just look at when you have a mini race war like a race riot or the like, just look at the race riots in Cincinnati in the USA or in Bradford UK, do whites fight back? Even when they are being dragged out of their houses/cars and are being beaten, they still don’t fight back, and they will never do so in the future. Was their ever a race war in ancient Egypt?



Things will get so bad that the whites will vote/join our group (the ‘tip’ theory)
That’s again a load of moonshine. Just look how bad things are now in the big cities in the USA or in London, they have not fought back, have they? No ‘far right’ party has any seats in London at all! And the non whites are at 45% now (that’s over 3.5 million). Just look at the situation in Rhodesia, 30 years ago the whites were saying the same things that we are saying today-look at where they are now! Just look at neighboring South Africa, there are almost 30,000 murders a year, that’s even worse than during the Kosovo war or in Bosnia during war time, but are the whites fighting back? NO! The tip theory will NEVER happen, if it was going to it would have happened in the 1960’s when most people alive could remember a white society.



The truth will set us free
Telling the truth does not matter in the slightest. In the age of mass controlled media they dictate what the truth is and no amount of leaflets or posters will not do the slightest good whatsoever. We have been telling the truth for over 50 years now and it’s not done us any good so why spend the next 50 years wasting our time? Just look at the obvious truth with regards HIV/Rapes rates with regards to race, the truth is obvious to everyone except the lemmings; most people think that white men rape just as much as blacks and have same levels of HIV rates as blacks.



The internet will get the truth out

Now I will admit that the internet does help to get our message out, but the internet is simply living on borrowed time. Do you think our enemies are simply sitting around moaning about truth telling internet sites? They will be working on ways to counter out web sites and we will see the result of this in the next 5 or 6 years. They can filter our web sites in schools and public libraries so its only a matter of time before this ‘hate’ filter is installed on the server of your ISP, then what will you do? What’s plan B? Worth a note also that the Front National in France got 15% nationally in 1985 (before internet) and is now at 13.5%, so the invention of the internet has not done any good in France, has it?



Our enemies have become too powerful and will slip up

Again, this myth is just grasping at straws, there is no way the mask of the media is going to slip and the lemmings are going to get up off their couch and shout ‘gotcha’ I knew you controlled the media. This may have happened to our enemies thousands of years ago but it is not going to happen again because the TV gives them the ultimate camouflage, and to mention Babylon as an example is just silly as it was over 2,000 years ago and is no way relevant to modern politics.



When race mixing gets to a certain stage whites will see what’s happening and fight back using a survival instinct

Well that never happen in India or Egypt and it’s not going to happen in the West either. If this was going to happen it would have happened in the big cities years ago. It never happened in the past and with the mass media in the hands of people who wish to destroy our race its never going to happen in modern society.



We will take to the hills

Again this will not work as not many people will be prepared to give up their luxuries and go to the hills, and the fact that white women will not go with us in large enough numbers to make any difference (who you going to have white kids with).



It’s too cold here for blacks

This is quite laughable if it wasn’t so serious, but lots of whites think that their country or area of a country is too cold and that the blacks won’t move there and that they will be nice and safe. Again, with a cold country like Sweden being full of blacks it’s obvious that there is no country that is too cold for the blacks to go to, even Canada and Iceland have blacks living there in increasing numbers.
People said that about Scotland, well Glasgow is getting full of them now, and the coldest city in Scotland (Aberdeen) is full of yardie drug barons selling crack cocaine. The same people say that blacks will not go to the Pacific North West in the USA, well they will once they have ruined the rest of the USA they will head up north no matter how cold things are.



Once you take away the white mans comforts he will fight back

Again, just look at what’s happening in South Africa and Rhodesia, their comforts have been well and truly taken away, and where is the big right back? Not happening is it? There are thousands of Whites South Africans living in white areas of London, have they had the common sense to join a pro white group and stop the same thing happening to England as is happening in South Africa? NO!
You would think that they would know what blacks are like, the fact that London has the largest black ‘community’ in England (2 million perhaps) and they still wont fight back! You would think that they would flock to pro white groups in the UK as they have seen what happens when blacks take over, but they won’t and they never will do so. The whites in Rhodesia have been driven out of their homes and still they refuse to fight back, why does people think it’s going to be any different in the USA or Europe?



Race mixing won’t destroy the white race, that’s impossible

Again, a lot of WN think that race mixing won’t destroy our race in the long term as there are too many of us. In 100 years or so the white race will be more or less destroyed (unless things change), we will be at such small numbers that our extinction will be inevitable. Juts look at the state of South American countries, they (Spanish/Portuguese) interbred and are in such small numbers that they will never recover (whites only make up 10% of Mexico).


We won’t have the ethnics round our area

Another myth that WN say is that their part of town is safe from the creeping darkness and somehow they won’t tolerate the ethnics moving in and will somehow drive them out if they do move in. Well that wont work as people said that about Detroit in the 1960’s, now its over 85% black now.


Final Thought….

WE need to get rid of the above in order to fight more effectively against the enemies of our race, because if we believe the myths that are above then we will end up losing the coming battle.

I believe most of what you say. However you can't predict the future simply by looking at the past. I believe things are going to get really horrible in terms of terrorism and whites will flee and make enclaves in parts of the world and fend for themselves while the world govts. go on the defense.

SO WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

Well the first thing we should do is to reassess our current situation and come up with alternative strategies that have never been tried before.

The fact is that the lemmings are too stupid to listen to the truth so let them face the terror that they are going to get; we should start thinking for our own safety as WN’s. The simple fact is that we should all move to a place where we can take over by sheer weight of numbers and that we have such power that NO blacks will be able to move in and wreck things for us. If you actually sit down and think of the possibilities for a true white homeland, call it a fresh start for the white race. There are plenty of small Islands that we could inhabit and take over like:
Falkland Islands, Faeroe Islands, Iceland, Isle of Man etc there are in fact huge Islands in the North of Canada that we could go to and establish a white homeland, if you don’t like the cold there are plenty of Greek islands in the Mediterranean that have few if any people living on them.

This may well seem like some wacko plan, but its better than what we are doing now and is at least guaranteed to secure a white homeland that will last a thousand years.

A lot of those islands have offshore banks on them so not a good idea. In the SF Latin section there is a thread called Migration to Argentina. I like this idea and maybe Chile too. No nigs... or very few. Chile has only 11,000 jews and Argentina only 230,000. There is a lot of land and to the south is virtually white.

With advances in technology it is getting easier to live off-the-grid than before. Cheaper products will facilitate this movement into isolation from the cities.

[QUOTE=Todd in FL]A lot of those islands have offshore banks on them so not a good idea. In the SF Latin section there is a thread called Migration to Argentina. I like this idea and maybe Chile too. No nigs... or very few. Chile has only 11,000 jews and Argentina only 230,000. There is a lot of land and to the south is virtually white.

With advances in technology it is getting easier to live off-the-grid than before. Cheaper products will facilitate this movement into isolation from the cities.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but you have to keep it white and make sure NO blacks try to move in next door to you. You would also have to learn Spanish. I like the idea :p The thick savages will just come flooding down south instead of heading north like they are doing currently. Things would have to get very bad before this happened though in great numbers. Just shows you how thick the ethnics are in that they can't even see that it is THEM that makes areas shit!

I think what you wrote was good, but you need to remember that the struggle to retain our racial hegemony and life support is not just some political movement. Saying our movement is just some "far right" movement looking to sieze power and drive out the colored races is shortsighted. Our entire race is essentially being de-racialized every moment, with massively intense propaganda at every level and instant. Through endless soviet style mental introdoctrination, to mass immigration, to totally giving up our racial interets/instinicts, our race is essentially giving up on nature's eternal game. I firmly beleive that a people's natural racial instinicts can't be remolded into what the jews want and conflict between races will always naturally occur. Do you really think the cultural distorters and traitors can really destroy our civlization, without even any fight or resistance?. I don't think 60 years of the biggest propaganda organ in history can ever stop the laws of innate racial consciousness that have been used for centuries. I agree, that "race wars" and other foolish unrealistic schemes are a joke, but I am sure something has to happen. I just don't beleive that whites are going to be completely racially altrusitc, humantarian, "morally universal" and weak when our biological existence is in danger. I actually think that Europe will go through a rebirth mid-century, but America is essentially gone. Their are 100 million NW's in this country, and they aren't going to leave, maybe America will split into racial partitions. But I can promise, that the world situation all of the White western world is hanging on the edge of a cliff, and something exicting, drastic and world changing will occur at least during the next century. If it doesn't, there won't be any "white race" or "western civilization", and the colored hordes will rule world and dominate us.

[QUOTE=western-nationalist]and the colored hordes will rule world and dominate us.[/QUOTE]

Your post was really good up to that point. C'mon dude, "rule us"???

I agree that if nothing happens that they will be a majority but the whites still have to run the machinery.

The big problem is the race mixing will produce offspring of indistinguishable traits making it impossible for whites to chose pure white mates.

We need terrorism at this point, sad to say.

[QUOTE=Scotland88]SO WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
The simple fact is that we should all move to a place where we can take over by sheer weight of numbers and that we have such power that NO blacks will be able to move in and wreck things for us. If you actually sit down and think of the possibilities for a true white homeland, call it a fresh start for the white race. There are plenty of small Islands that we could inhabit and take over like:
[/QUOTE]

This is a bad idea. I do not think we should concentrate our numbers. E.g. nukes could destroy most of us WNs with one shot. I think our best bet is in our home communities where we can awaken intelligent White folks to the nature of the 9/11 attacks, the problem of Israel, and the marginalization of the White Man.

I can see a difference here between those from an urban setting, and those in a rural setting. Urban, I can see a race war. Rural will keep out outsiders. Both are about control of territory. I think the lesson of the Tories is worth considering. They fought with the Crown, but did not leave en masse when the British system was dumped. The masses follow perceived power. Whoever has the perceived power controls the territory. We must be worthy of leading. Even something as temporary as a natural disaster makes people choose effective leaders.

[QUOTE=Scotland88]SO WHAT SHOULD WE DO? If you actually sit down and think of the possibilities for a true white homeland, call it a fresh start for the white race. There are plenty of small Islands that we could inhabit and take over like:
Falkland Islands, Faeroe Islands, Iceland, Isle of Man etc there are in fact huge Islands in the North of Canada that we could go to and establish a white homeland[/QUOTE]
White men: Tamers of continents, builders of great cities, rockets to the moon, advanced medical and scientific breakthroughs, vast oceans traversed, atoms split, telecommunications at an instant........running away to The Falkland Islands!!!!! Not this White Man, boy!

[QUOTE=Steve B]White men: Tamers of continents, builders of great cities, rockets to the moon, advanced medical and scientific breakthroughs, vast oceans traversed, atoms split, telecommunications at an instant........running away to The Falkland Islands!!!!! Not this White Man, boy![/QUOTE]

The White Man does not run. He stands and FIGHTS!

[QUOTE=JoeSixPack]The White Man does not run. He stands and FIGHTS![/QUOTE]

Yes but your on your own! The white man will NEVER fight back in large enough numbers to make the slightest difference. If we moved to an island WE would control who comes in to our homeland! And that way the white race WILL survive in the world.

[QUOTE=Alex Trebek]When the economy collapses, ZOG will no longer have the ability to fund an uber police state. This course, will lead to a break down in law and order in some places, as police will not be employed in para military numbers like they are now.[/QUOTE]

We will take power when the economy collapses

This is nonsense in that our enemies can keep out economy going for hundreds of years on ‘life support’ until the threat has passed (that’s the white man being around in large numbers). Just look at countries like South Africa or Mexico, their economies have not collapsed-have they? So ours won’t, as our enemies know that will give us a chance. And even it did by some fluke happen the far left are far better at seizing power than we are, just look at history.


[QUOTE=JoeSixPack]This is a bad idea. I do not think we should concentrate our numbers. E.g. nukes could destroy most of us WNs with one shot. I think our best bet is in our home communities where we can awaken intelligent White folks to the nature of the 9/11 attacks, the problem of Israel, and the marginalization of the White Man.[/QUOTE]

We could easily build nuclear shelters, and they would not use them as it would expose them to the world for what they are. Our current course of action is bound to fail, even if we had 5 more 9/11 it would not wake anyone up.

[QUOTE=Scotland88]SO WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

Well the first thing we should do is to reassess our current situation and come up with alternative strategies that have never been tried before.

The fact is that the lemmings are too stupid to listen to the truth so let them face the terror that they are going to get; we should start thinking for our own safety as WN’s. The simple fact is that we should all move to a place where we can take over by sheer weight of numbers and that we have such power that NO blacks will be able to move in and wreck things for us. If you actually sit down and think of the possibilities for a true white homeland, call it a fresh start for the white race. There are plenty of small Islands that we could inhabit and take over like:
Falkland Islands, Faeroe Islands, Iceland, Isle of Man etc there are in fact huge Islands in the North of Canada that we could go to and establish a white homeland, if you don’t like the cold there are plenty of Greek islands in the Mediterranean that have few if any people living on them.

This may well seem like some wacko plan, but its better than what we are doing now and is at least guaranteed to secure a white homeland that will last a thousand years.[/QUOTE]

Excelent post ,I would agree with almost everything you said. There has been a call for a white homeland in the pacific northwest for decades .It is a slow process to gather like minded individuals who are willing to relocate. I am one who answered the call and moved to the north Idaho panhandle where it is 98% white and the locals dont want it to change. Several arguments have been used against the call to the northwest, however the alternative is to squander your life in a multicultural hell and do nothing.
I cannot take the argument that we should stay in the cities and try to convince the lemmings to our side. I am unaware of any success in this regard. In order to turn the tide of opinion I feel that an example of a white homeland must be introduced .We are a long way from acheiving this goal but progress is being made daily.
The city of Couer d' alane is the 5th fastest growing city in the U.S. ,mostly due to white immigrants fleeing the multiracial hell of the big cities. True that most are lemmings ,but these lemmings have realized that it is better living among whites .
The call has been made for a northwest migration ,we await like minded individuals who want to work for the cause.
NWWC

[QUOTE=Scotland88]This is nonsense in that our enemies can keep out economy going for hundreds of years on ‘life support’ until the threat has passed (that’s the white man being around in large numbers). Just look at countries like South Africa or Mexico, their economies have not collapsed-have they?[/QUOTE]

This one and all the other arguments are flawed for the same reason: you take your examples from present-day South Africa, Rhodesia and large cities, but America falling will be an unprecedented event. South Africa exists in a world where there are very large and very powerful countries that help keep it on life support, pumping in millions and millions of dollars. The Whites there know they would be beaten down by the U.S. and other traisonous regimes if they would fight the Blacks.

No, an America where Whites are in the minority won't be like an African or South American country. Those countries exist in this world, today, where there is a West working as an economic engine, and as a guarantee that no enormous race wars will be allowed. Sink America's Whites, and the engine disappears. Whole different ballgame.

There probably won't be a race war happening everywhere at the same time when the economy sinks, but there definitely will be smaller wars, here and there, and the conflicts will go on for a long time. One good thing: people of the future won't have any time or money to waste on liberalism. That whole soft, anti-Life way of thinking will disappear quickly when the Golden Age is gone (or whatever they will call the 20th century and the years after it).

Whites don't fight back in the inner cities today? Whites don't fight in the West today? Well, isn't the reason for that obvious? We are still rich! Oh, sure, people don't think they are, but we live in countries where you actually, unbelievably, get money even when you're not working. How incredible isn't that? In the future that will be one of the things they'll point to when telling the kids how wealthy we were now. So why would Whites fight, today? People who are well-off don't risk dying. You have to be poor to do that. We aren't poor . . . yet. But we will be. We will be poorer than Whites in Weimar Germany. And there will be no superpower to stop the wars.

On migration: seems like an excellent idea, since a lot of time and effort will be saved when American White racialists are dealt with. You don't have to try to find them all over the country, you can just bomb a small area and use the ashes as fertilizer.

Yes, a true favor to the non-Whites it would be. But if you on the off-chance would want to save Whites instead, you could get off your lazy asses and start a political party, which is the only kind of organization people will join in large numbers. Even if you don't win many elections you still educate, communicate and prepare through a party, and believe it or not, but a racialist party can affect a country's policies. There are nationalist parties all over Western Europe, and they will only get stronger in the future. Why haven't Americans gotten anything off the ground yet? Pathetic, gentlemen, pathetic!

And Scotland88, if you would take the time to look at the structure of VNNF, you would notice that there is a "Where do we go from here?" section for this kind of threads. How tiresome it is when people just throw in their threads in the Main Discussion Forum, filling it to the brink because they won't read instructions. And on a smaller note, Sweden isn't full of niggers, it is full of Arabs. Slightly lighter in skintone but with the same stench, though for many reasons their presence serves nationalism much better than a nigger horde.

I thought this was a really good critique of WN myths. Bravo. I have tried to make some of those points again and again and it took me a while to assimilate some of them myself. I'm about 90% in agreement.

However, with regard to the suggestion, which is aggregating somewhere, that is not really a permanent solution. It can be part of the solution but it is not the magic bullet.

There is no magic bullet really. It is a hard assed uphill battle, a struggle to survive, with 90% of Whites around the world probably being utterly clueless as to how thin of a margin of power our present material comfort rests upon. The remaining 10% probably "gets" aspects of the problem to some extent or another, but even for the 10% urgency, good ideas, organization and resources are lacking.

great thread. more comments from the peanut gallery about the myths? anybody disagree with those points?

[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]
....But if you on the off-chance would want to save Whites instead, you could get off your lazy asses and start a political party, which is the only kind of organization people will join in large numbers.....[/QUOTE]

Ok, rather than speak about this in the abstract, let's address it step by step.

First off, what would our political party be called? We can't very well have a political party without a name.

Fredrik, your command of English is excellent so your suggestions are invited along with everyone else's.

For the sake of our cause we must assume that some third way will emerge to unite the big bad angry white monster, which we must assume also will drive ZOG to the brink of annihalation.

That only leaves one question to be answered. If ZOG is going down, would it drag us down with it, via the nuclear solution?

[QUOTE=norcalnative1971][SIZE=3]Actually, it won't be "take power" but the inevitable collapse of the economy will result in a corresponding decrease in state power. In other words, local control will rise and distant control will diminish. You simply cannot have a First World economy with Turd World labor. What little is left of manufacturing, actually creating things, is soon to be shipped off the Asia.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=3]My vision of the future has never included a Hitler-style "seizure of power." It's just not going to happen. Again, see above...local control will rise and distant control will diminish. OPPORTUNITIES will arise, but not guarantees.[/SIZE]






[SIZE=3]The mass of "White" people are too stupid and/or too fearful to act in their own interests, and hence, will never join into mass bloc for socio-political power.[/SIZE]





[SIZE=3]See previous statement. The masses are too dumb & cowardly to handle, let alone utilize, the Truth.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=3]The Internet is a tool. Without the human raw-material to mold, it's useless.
See previous two responses.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=3]Our enemies have slipped up many times, with no decrease in their power. However, our enemies are also working against the unavoidable destiny of all "civilizations," this one being deep into the twilight of its existence. Spengler was totally right, and only a fool can argue with him.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=3]Nope. It's likely to become even more prevalent. Only a small minority will oppose all socio-political coercive pressures to NOT race mix. Lesser beings will choose their mates based on proximity (who they know, work with, etc.) and who is "cool." Only the truly superior being will seek out a mate like a hunter, seeking only the best and worthy, at great cost and effort, and while denying base "immediate" needs the lesser being satisfies as soon as possible.[/SIZE]





[SIZE=3]You'd be surprised how many women want to "take to the hills." Maybe not women in CITIES, who are outraged that their dainty little hands be soiled with the flesh of the Earth. Venture into "the hills" (or actually, any rural area), and see the healthiest, in mind and body and spirit, White women you'll find anywhere. Sure, most of them are attached, but some are NOT, and will pay attention to the superior being when the superior being DEMONSTRATES superiority.

Aryans MUST give up their attachment to the Cities if they are to survive. Those who do not have made a conscious choice to make themselves unfit for that survival.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=3]True, they'll go anywhere there's welfare.[/SIZE]





[SIZE=3]Cancel the StupidBowl and stop the flow of beer, and you'll see a lot of uproar. But will they take to the streets? Probably not.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=3]It can, and it has destroyed many White nations in the past. Look at India.

However, permanent destruction of the entire Race is NOT inevitable, even if only a few tens of thousands of us survive worldwide. We've come through many genetic bottlenecks in the past, and we can get through this "manmade" one, too. If the millions choose to submerge themselves in the cesspool of inferior humanity, they're not fit to be the parents of future Aryans. The few tens of thousands will prove their worth by their survival.[/SIZE]



[SIZE=3]You will so long as the Jewnited States Government exists. If it goes away, however, local control increases, and low-lifes leave at the barrel of a gun pointed their way, even if not overtly "racist" in intention. I know the Mexicans in this area wouldn't last long if Washington and Sacramento didn't create the conditions that allow them to remain, and most Mendocino County residents would like to see the crime and welfare costs go down, even if "racism" is not the motivation in the least.[/SIZE]




[SIZE=3]I'm curious to know your perspective on the Future, how we will survive, what we will do.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Excellent points, Norcal!

In actual truth, far from the chronic defeatism shown in this post, there are distant early warning signs that NWOs collapse is already beginning:

(1)Applications for immigration visas from East Asia are down sharply.

(2) The Black fertility rate in the us is in sharp decline. The Asian fertility rate is already below the White rate

(3) Despite an incessant and unending propaganda barrage, the actual interracial outbreeding rate among White females appears stuck at 3%, and even this figure is at least something of an exxageration as it falsely regards children born of White Anglo females and White Hispanic males as "interracial"

(4) There is a new and sustained influx of highly educated and highly intelligent Whites into the WN movement. On a survey on SF, 62% of the members had at least completed college, a rate far, far higher than the general population

(5) Hip-Hop Negro culture has become so oversold to young Whites that NWO has made the worst mistake it could when dealing with young Whites...its boring them to death.
Among young Whites, Hip-Hop is becoming cliched and passe, punk and goth influences, styles drowning in Euro culture are coming into vogue, even among popular music, as the immense popularity of Goth bands like Evanesance proves.

(6) While its fashionable in some WN circles to bash the net, there is no doubt that the net has become NWOs deadliest enemy. Why? its interactive and participatory, which is exactly what young Whites are naturally attuned to.

(7) WN long cursed by a real or percieved devotion to subracially divisive doctrines like "Nordicism", is now strongly stressing unity across national and subracial lines. In doing this it is once again simply attuning itself to the natural White fondness for mixing AMONG Whites. Most Whites, especially in the US, are multi-ethnic, WN has finally caught up with this reality.

Dont get me wrong, we can easliy still lose, and we have a long and dark march ahead of us. But there is no reason for the endless gloom and defeatism which this movement almost seems addicted to

diablo

[QUOTE=Nick]
First off, what would our political party be called? We can't very well have a political party without a name.

[/QUOTE]


I very much prefer the name of the "White Racist" party. For one thing, it takes most of the wind out of the sails of our detractors who attempt to smear us by calling us "racists," like they invariably do with any nationalist party, (or even with the cowardly republicunts!) For another, it provokes discussion of exactly what a White "racist" actually is, which could well lead to the end of its being the Almighty Term of Opprobrium and perhaps even to the beginning of sanity--the sanity of conserving that one single thing which is most of all worth conserving and prerequisite to all else--and being proud of it!

[QUOTE=Ossian]
I very much prefer the name of the "White Racist" party. For one thing, it takes most of the wind out of the sails of our detractors who attempt to smear us by calling us "racists," like they invariably do with any nationalist party, (or even with the cowardly republicunts!) For another, it provokes discussion of exactly what a White "racist" actually is, which could well lead to the end of its being the Almighty Term of Opprobrium and perhaps even to the beginning of sanity--the sanity of conserving that one single thing which is most of all worth conserving and prerequisite to all else--and being proud of it![/QUOTE]

Sounds fine with me. My idea was to call it the "No Compromise" party because I know there would be a fair amount of people scared off by any mention of racists or racism in the party name. Or Nazism or National Socialism. Those words and phrases don't bother me though. Maybe it IS advisible to just lay our fundamental ideology out there in the party name and whoever is frightened off, so be it.

Perhaps we could even combine the two into a party slogan "The White Racist Party -- No Compromise."

I'd be interested to hear the opinions of other forum members on this. If we could reach a general consensus on a political party name we could go ahead and register it. I was looking into doing that a couple years ago and it seems it cost around $600 to do it then. My memory may be faulty on that though. I'll see if I can find out exactly what it costs now to register as a political party and register the name.

If anyone has this information already please feel free to post it here. That'll save me the time of researching it.

[color=black]I see a few reasons to be positive, in any case signs that immigration could possibly slow down soon. I believe there are real limits to how much mud an economy can take in and that we are beginning to reach that point. [/color]

[color=black]Even government can not fudge the numbers for ever. Muds are turning out to be an expensive drag on Western welfare states and economies, muds consume more public services than their group contributes in taxes, the statistics all point to the fact that unemployment is usually far higher amongst muds than it is amongst natives. [/color]

[color=black]The vast majority of muds also hold low paying jobs that produce very little tax revenue. Even if unemployment of muds saw a big decrease they would still be an economic drag because government subsidizes their education, health care, etc.[/color]

[color=black]Governments can not continuously raise taxes, and print money, this would cause inflation and continuously higher taxes would just raise unemployment, further lowering tax revenues. [/color]

[color=black]Sooner or later there will be no money available to pay for the services whites demand not to mention welfare and subsidies for muds. At that point I wonder how friendly white voters would be towards any party that asks for even more immigration.[/color]

[color=black]The value of mud labor will fall and continue to fall in the future with more outsourcing and improvements in technology. Modern economies are becoming less and less in need of ignorant, savages who hardly if at all speak the native language, not to mention being poorly educated.[/color]

[color=black]So far Westerners especially Americans have been sold on the idea that immigration is good for the economy, this is a lie and the facts will eventually be common knowledge. Like the communists learned the hard way, you can not ignore the facts of economics; sooner or later they will come back and bite you in the ass.[/color]

White Racist Party would be neat, but unfortunately it would probably keep many people away; many wouldn't like the name, and many others would figure the party would be doomed to fail because so many others wouldn't like the name.

White People's Party -- simple, and shows exactly what the party is about. It doesn't sound too radical, and yet the name ensures the party won't go muddy like the Reps.

Or you could do like the main nationalist party in Sweden, the Swedish Democrats, and call it the White Democrats. The name would make opponents grind their teeth when they accuse the party of being anti-democratic. On the other hand, adding "democrats" to a party name is more common here than in the U.S. I suppose, and in the U.S. being a "Democrat" in politics means being to the left, so such a name would probably make people think it's a leftist party for Whites.

[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]
White Racist Party would be neat, but unfortunately it would probably keep many people away; many wouldn't like the name, and many others would figure the party would be doomed to fail because so many others wouldn't like the name.

White People's Party -- simple, and shows exactly what the party is about. It doesn't sound too radical, and yet the name ensures the party won't go muddy like the Reps.

Or you could do like the main nationalist party in Sweden, the Swedish Democrats, and call it the White Democrats. The name would make opponents grind their teeth when they accuse the party of being anti-democratic. On the other hand, adding "democrats" to a party name is more common here than in the U.S. I suppose, and in the U.S. being a "Democrat" in politics means being to the left, so such a name would probably make people think it's a leftist party for Whites.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the "White People's Party" would be a good choice but unfortunately that phrase was included in Koehl's reconfiguration of GLR's original American Nazi Party, the NSWPP (National Socialist White People's Party). Harold Covington was involved in the NSWPP after that and it's possible he still has some legal claim to the name. I don't know that, I'm speculating. Will Williams may be able to answer that question and fill in other details.

http://www.segag.org/nswppf.gif

Whatever the case may be, you might agree that using that name, even if it were legally available could suggest a linkage with Covington and the old Koehl & Co. which would not be desirable. For what it's worth

whitepeoplesparty.com, org, net, biz, info, us, ws, tv, and cc

ARE available as domain names, so that could indicate the "White People's Party" name is not legally registered at this time. I'd invite your thoughts on whether or not I'm being overly cautious in assuming most people would associate a new "White People's Party" today with Covington. Maybe that's just my perception and the general public wouldn't make that connection. If you think the public would not link the old NSWPP with a new WPP I'd say sure, the "White People's Party" is a natural and would work well.

While agreeing with a number of your comments Mr Scotland88 I think your being a bit to pessimistic in your observations.
I have to agree that the majority of white people are sheep who are quite happy to live in crap as long as the shitbox is on in the corner the beers in the fridge and the Arsenal keep winning.But civilization is built by white creativity and once the white man starts vanishing civil order will break down all across the white world.The non white races are incapable of maintaining any form of society apart from a mudhut dunghill full of disease.
the crème de la creme of the white race will be left to face the hordes of sub human useless eaters and taking the kid gloves of and removing the blinkers will clear out the mud once and for all.

The thing is with India which you used as an example the white man was so outnumbered by nonwhites that his downfall was inevitable, but saying that, the Caste system worked for a hell of a long time and its still not uncommon to see white Indians. I've actually seen a number of blue eyed white skinned Indians when I was on the post office.

Also you mentioned the fact that with the race riots up north there was no white backlash that's not quite true as a number of whites took to the streets and its awakened a hell of a lot of whites to the problems facing this country.
I think the revolution will come and it will be pushed by non whites through street violence and terror and when the push comes to the shove the media will not be able to cover it up and once the Jewish medias lost all credibility the blinkers will be of and the white man will have no option but to open his eyes.
You've also got to think of the cheap labour flooding the west, old Joe six-pack aint gonna be a happy bunny once his beer monies gone and he's on the scrapheap because some chimp from across the seas willing to work for far less
I could go on and on but tonight im of to the Blood & Honour St Georges day gig. So put a smile on your face whistle a happy tune and don't forget it aint over till the fat lady sings

Interesting.... I wouldn't expect people to remember the NSWPP on their own, but the media could certainly pick up on it. There is a possibility of that, yes. Simply a name like the White Party, then? That is also a natural.


rockcat: About the media not being able to cover it up, that makes me remember a book I read once on the history of propaganda. A mistake that occurs time and again is that those in power allow their propaganda to get too removed from reality. The Soviet Union springs to mind, where the newspapers were so ludicrous that everybody simply assumed they always lied, and I heard recently about the train wreck in North Korea: even twelve hours after the fact, the main piece of news in the papers was about the dictator having been made an honorary citizen of some Mexican town. (Those Mexicans, such friends of the West!)

I also come to think of Bush and the neocons calling the Iraqi guerrillas "terrorists." That Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr is encouraging "terrorist" attacks against American troops -- who would not recognize this as propaganda? For more than a year now their language has been so ridiculous, calling Iraqis terrorists and their own forces liberators, that it is no wonder all of Europe is against the war -- it is simply impossible to defend such obvious lies. (Even the pro-neocon newspaper Svenska dagbladet calls the U.S. occupation an occupation, not a "presence" or whatever.)

You just have to wonder: don't they realize their propaganda is too far removed from reality to be believable? Obviously they don't. Very interesting.

[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]
Interesting.... I wouldn't expect people to remember the NSWPP on their own, but the media could certainly pick up on it. There is a possibility of that, yes. Simply a name like the White Party, then? That is also a natural....[/QUOTE]

Or we could try something like The White Nazi Airborne Stormtroopers from Hell and We're Here for your Daughter Party

Seriously, I don't know. A simple name like the "White Party" might work just fine. Let me think it over and maybe come up with a few variations. Maybe the "White American Citizens Party" or something similar...

I'll think about it further and see if anything undeniably grand occurs to me. All other ideas anyone has are of course welcome. The "White Party" would work just fine if we're unable to come up with anything flashier in the next day or two. I have requests for info out now on the technical and legal procedures for starting a political party and I'm hoping to hear something by or before the first of the week.

[QUOTE=Nick]Seriously, I don't know. A simple name like the "White Party" might work just fine. Let me think it over and maybe come up with a few variations. Maybe the "White American Citizens Party" or something similar...
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There is no point whatsoever in forming a political party in America, you will never win by the ballot box in the USA. In 30 years or so you will be in a minority.

[QUOTE=norcalnative1971]
Aryans MUST give up their attachment to the Cities if they are to survive. Those who do not have made a conscious choice to make themselves unfit for that survival.[/QUOTE]

Before you head for the hills to become the next White Adam and Eve, you would benefit from checking out the following link:

http://reactor-core.org/commune-advice.html

Starting a successful community has some gotchas, pitfalls, and also some nifty tricks and shortcuts that most people aren't aware of. The link was written by a socialist 100 years ago to try and help his brain-dead fellow socialist-communists. His advice doesn't depend on socialism in any way; it is solid pragmatism, written by one white man for other white men. It is as fresh today as when it was written.

Every white nationalist needs to read the above link. Good luck.

No Gotchas and pitfalls with current lack of a plan? So it becomes an issue of which plan is more suitable. Which plan will you make sacrifices for to make work. I get the distinct impression we are living on the brittle edge of a dying system. So positioning for survival becomes important. Best done rurally where you've got a chance to eat something besides each other.

[QUOTE=Scotland88]There is no point whatsoever in forming a political party in America, you will never win by the ballot box in the USA. In 30 years or so you will be in a minority.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely. But this is an excersise to make that point perfectly clear. There are still some who insist that mainstream poltics offers some salvation. I'm willing to indulge that opinion and actually go through the motions in order to show the believers how futile it is to be looking for political solutions. Then we can put the idea to rest and get on with more productive endeavors. Such as raising money, which many find undignified and distasteful but is in reality crucial if we ever hope to accomplish anything substantial.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]No Gotchas and pitfalls with current lack of a plan? So it becomes an issue of which plan is more suitable. Which plan will you make sacrifices for to make work. I get the distinct impression we are living on the brittle edge of a dying system. So positioning for survival becomes important. Best done rurally where you've got a chance to eat something besides each other.[/QUOTE]

Did you read the link? Here it is again:

http://reactor-core.org/commune-advice.html

Until you know what you are doing, you are better off in the city. I have small town and farm experience, so I could swing it. Could you? Are you certain? Life in isolation takes a totally different set of social skills than city life does. Small mistakes can haunt you for years, and you can't just pack up your bags and move if you've invested a lot of labor in your land and farm.

Commune, kibbutz. Never suggested that. Thinking about starting communes is what people in urban settings fantasize. Ruralers know they want their OWN land, and friendly neighbors. In that order. Being spring in the N.E., I could walk into the woods and live on what I can find. My hope is not to have to do that, hence prior planning.

[QUOTE=Scotland88]There is no point whatsoever in forming a political party in America, you will never win by the ballot box in the USA. In 30 years or so you will be in a minority.[/QUOTE]

There is no point whatsoever in trying to isolate nationalists from the rest of America, you will never win that way. If I were a Jew, that's exactly what I would want WNs to do -- move away from the rest of the population, so noone will hear their message again, and so they can be dealt with far from people's eyes. I would join this forum as a troll and advocate that precise course of action -- the second best thing to advocating that WNs cut their own throats right here and now.

Did anyone write you could win by the ballot box? I certainly didn't. I wrote that a party is the only kind of organization people will join in large numbers. Because they think it can win. So you organize, and you get your message out ... much better than if you live on a mountain top.

Wonder how isolating themselves from the rest of the Middle East would help al-Qaeda further their goals, getting rid of the U.S. presence and the corrupt governments it supports.... Let's see ... what reason could they have for not doing that.... Hey, maybe they didn't go off hiding in Siberia for the simple reason that it wouldn't help their people one fucking bit?

A nationalist party that wants to grow big should not name the Jew, though. Unfortunately you won't grow if you do that, not today. But it could accomplish a lot simply by making Whites stand up for themselves, and start thinking and talking racially. That a nationalist party certainly can accomplish. And that would make it a hundred times easier for a nationalist organization that does name the Jew to get its message across in the future. So you need both kinds of nationalist strategies, in a two-pronged assault.

Of course, forming a nationalist party requires a lot of work. For the lazy ones, it's better to grant the Jews their wish and simply go off living in the woods far from where the action is. Then you can sit there in safety and curse outsiders for being such suckers, while the ZOG comes up with a new way to deal with you -- dumping ten thousand Somalis in your lap, perhaps. If you imagine you could get enough people to move there to actually start a "nation to last a thousand years," then you're out of touch with reality.

As I've posted before, I would like to see a Separatist Party. We could actually get votes from non-White nationalists who really believe what they say, although this is probably a minority of the multiculturalists who enjoy bashing and bleeding Whitey.

Also, keep in mind that most elections are won by a 5% or less margin. Therefore even if we could not swing a majority, we could still be enough of a voting block to swing an election.

A Separatist Party would probably not be popular in Europe, but I believe that here in America it is the best course of action.

[QUOTE=Paul]As I've posted before, I would like to see a Separatist Party. We could actually get votes from non-White nationalists who really believe what they say, although this is probably a minority of the multiculturalists who enjoy bashing and bleeding Whitey.[/QUOTE]

Might have some success, and it would be something entirely different from what was previously suggested. A separatist party would be active in getting the message out to other Whites, instead of isolating from them. Of course you would never be allowed to secede, but you could still rally people and spread information through the party. Like how the Padanians haven't been able to separate from the rest of Italy, but they still got to be in the government.

Yes I think going through the motions is a prerequisite to de-legitimatizing the current system in the eyes of many.

[QUOTE=Nick]I agree completely. But this is an excersise to make that point perfectly clear. There are still some who insist that mainstream poltics offers some salvation. I'm willing to indulge that opinion and actually go through the motions in order to show the believers how futile it is to be looking for political solutions. Then we can put the idea to rest and get on with more productive endeavors. Such as raising money, which many find undignified and distasteful but is in reality crucial if we ever hope to accomplish anything substantial.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=torcher88]
Yes I think going through the motions is a prerequisite to de-legitimatizing the current system in the eyes of many.[/QUOTE]
Right. Let's actually do this so we can make the point once and for all that politics is not an option. And I'm not saying do it in a half interested, slovenly manner just to fulfill our own prophecy. Let's approach this with an open mind and do as good a job as we can. Then we'll point out the obstacles put in our way and the lack of official cooperation and the bureaucratic hostility and delay tactics etc. as they occur. Supporters and detractors alike can then make a decision on whether they want to pursue it into the near future and beyond.

I'm rather anxiously waiting to get some feedback on my requests for info asking just what it takes to register a political party in the USA, both procedurally and financially. I'll post it here as soon as I get some details. In the meantime anyone who has more ideas on what to call the party, let's hear what they are. We can take a vote on which name to use once we have enough information to begin the process of registration.

I actually like the sound of Paul's suggestion, btw, "The White Seperatist" party. The only thing I have against it is it sounds like a party that believes in holing up in some corner of Montana or North Dakota and I don't believe in that philosophy. I want all nigs, mexes, muds and jews removed from within the present borders of the Jnited States, not some situation where we declare our own little piece of territory and concede the rest to them.

[QUOTE=IronWorker]I have been thinking about moving to the panhandle region myself. 98% sounds pretty good. The area I am currently at in Oregon is like 80% White, and even that is not enough!![/QUOTE]

Good you would be welcome here. I suggest looking to the far north ,on the shores of Priest lake you will find a town called Nordman. Do you think there are nordic people there? Right you are ,not just any nordic people either. In this region there are many Menonites ,old world german religious people who have never gone online ,watched T.V. or taken part in the ZOG system. They are true WNs who could be converted to our cause.
Good luck to you .
NWWC