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December 7th, 2006, 03:50 AM
VNNers, the same journailist, Mihkel Karmas,
http://www.ekspress.ee/staff/224CE8C7A2B99C9B42256AD80046264F/$file/mihkel120.jpg (not a jew)
who did these two Eesti Ekspress pieces on me also has far and away the most popular news TV show in Estonia, a sort of "60 Minutes" type hour long program. The Justice Minister of this country has just expressed dismay and worry about the high strength of "Neo Nazis" in Estonia.
In any case, he came to my country house this morning and he and his crew filmed me. I was able to cover many subjects, including WN worldwide philosophy, the recent banning of swazi and hammer and sickle in Estonia, and VNN and Goyfire. I am already not uncommonly recognized in Estonia, and Karmas volunteered to me (i.e., I didn't ask him) that I'd be famous throughout Estonia after this piece. Well, the idea is to network and teach Whites worldwide, so I don't think there is a problem with that circumstance-- though I am just a regular working guy, albeit old and willing to quack. A Swede expat in the Kwa has also expressed her capacity to get me an interview with Saga after the holidays; the rightists here already hang out with me informally-- have given me their friendship etc. So all these things are a good start.
Anyway, this thread is to ask for any recollections of good exchanges between Alex and myself on any Goyfire. Obviously, I'd prefer one in which Alex really is on a Linder roll. Karmas has expressed a general willingness to include such audio in the filmed piece and tomorrow they are coming to my Mustamae, Tallinn apartment to film me on the net, on Goyfire and VNN. So you get the idea. I have listened to all or part of maybe 14 or 18 Goyfires, and I can't remember what might be good. So if you recently heard one, please cite the Goyfire show number and the time into the file where the exchange occurred. Thanks.
Remember. VNN is now reasonably well known in this precious, small White genetic preserve enclave on The Dark jew Planet and will be much more so after this TV show airs.
Link References:
http://www.ekspress.ee/viewdoc/F1572A734C0D74BFC225721F00420192
http://www.ekspress.ee/commentid/F1572A734C0D74BFC225721F00420192/count=200
http://www.ekspress.ee/viewdoc/4F9ACF372178233CC2257219003D7C51
http://www.ekspress.ee/commentid/4F9ACF372178233CC2257219003D7C51/count=200
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=10019
Estonia Bans Jewish Hate Groups
Display Of Communist Symbols Criminalized
...Estonia is one of Europe's most progressive and pro-white nations, where National Socialist parades by SS veterans and their families are common, several national socialists sit in office, and American white activists are welcome and can speak and live freely in an all-white society.
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/16968/
Free speech questioned as Estonia prepares to ban Soviet, Nazi symbolsDec 06, 2006
By Joel Alas
TALLINN - Estonia is set to place a ban on the display of Soviet and Nazi symbols if a new bill is adopted by Parliament. Ammendments to the penal code will make it illegal to show such symbols as the hammer and sickle or the swastika in a way that incites hatred or disturbs public peace. The government accepted the bill last week. In the words of Justice Minister Rein Lang, one of the aims of the ammendments is to prevent people from waving the Soviet flag at memorial events, such as the May 9 ceremony commemorating the fall of the Nazi regime, known in Russia as Victory Day.
The new bill has drawn outrage from Moscow and raised an international eyebrow, with some academics questioning whether the law will restrict free speech.
While several other European nations prohibit the provocative display of the swastika, few other nations have issued a blanket ban against the hammer and sickle.
Lang said the symbols would not be entirely stricken from public display, and said the law – if approved by vote in Parliament - would be open to judicial interpretation.
“It will be decided case-by-case if a display of the occupying regimes’ symbols incites hatred and thus constitutes violation of the law or not,” Lang told a press conference on Nov. 29.
“Nobody is going to ban the Soviet and Nazi symbols from being used in a theatrical performance or in research. But waving the red Soviet flags at the Bronze Soldier should be punishable as it incites hatred,” he explained.
http://usera.imagecave.com/brutusVNN/BushLaysWreath.bmp.jpg http://usera.imagecave.com/brutusVNN/Bush-statue.bmp.jpg
According to a Justice Ministry briefing memo, the reforms are required because the current wording of the law is too ambiguous.
“The use of certain symbols will be punishable only if two conditions have been fulfilled - if they are used to incite to hatred or disturb the public peace,” the memo said.
Along with the swastika and hammer and sickle, the government also plans to ban the symbol of the Nazi SS, or secret police.
“The list is not exhaustive, it only specifies the symbols of the regimes that occupied Estonia, because their use is more likely to incite hatred due to historical reasons.”
The ministry said wearing the symbols on clothing would not necessarily be considered illegal, but could be interpreted as inciting hatred depending on the circumstance.
Punishment would range from fines to prison sentences of up to three years.
The Russian Foreign Ministry immediately issued a furious statement, saying it was “blasphemous” to compare the Soviet symbol with Nazi emblems. A ministry spokesman told Russian press that the actions were deliberately provocative and would seriously aggravate relations between the neighboring countries.
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was quoted by Interfax as saying, “From a political standpoint, I do not see any explanation [for the ban] other than a desire to create artificial problems under conditions when we need to solve real problems including the problem of the Russian-speaking population in Latvia and Estonia,” Lavrov was quoted.
Independent analysts were skeptical of the ban, but for different reasons. Tartu University lecturer Heiko Paabo, a researcher in transition studies, questioned the reforms, which he said could again turn the hammer and sickle into a symbol of resistance.
“On one hand, it limits people’s ability to express themselves and can be seen as a threat to expression,” Paabo said. “On the other hand, these symbols are very strongly related to violence and values which are not accepted in West European society,” he said.
“I would prefer using different means to deal with [the problem], namely educating people about the meaning of these symbols. If you prohibit something, it brings even more sympathy or support than should exist,” he said.
The academic added that it was difficult to determine where to draw the line, and questioned whether the ubiquitous image of Che Guevara – another infamous violent revolutionary – should also be banned.
“Should we ban all such images, or allow them to exist but try to give the symbol its proper significance?” Paabo asked.
Social commentators in Estonia have also questioned interpretation of the law and raised the example of party costumes as an area that could cause confusion.
“What if I decide to dress up as a pioneer [Soviet equivalent of a boy scout or girl scout - ed.] to go to a party – should I be put in jail?” one member of the public asked on an Internet bulletin board.
The European Union shied away from introducing similar laws in 2005.
Latvia already bans the display of both Nazi and Soviet symbols at public meetings, while Hungary has adopted a blanket ban on symbols of both occupying forces.
http://www.ekspress.ee/staff/224CE8C7A2B99C9B42256AD80046264F/$file/mihkel120.jpg (not a jew)
who did these two Eesti Ekspress pieces on me also has far and away the most popular news TV show in Estonia, a sort of "60 Minutes" type hour long program. The Justice Minister of this country has just expressed dismay and worry about the high strength of "Neo Nazis" in Estonia.
In any case, he came to my country house this morning and he and his crew filmed me. I was able to cover many subjects, including WN worldwide philosophy, the recent banning of swazi and hammer and sickle in Estonia, and VNN and Goyfire. I am already not uncommonly recognized in Estonia, and Karmas volunteered to me (i.e., I didn't ask him) that I'd be famous throughout Estonia after this piece. Well, the idea is to network and teach Whites worldwide, so I don't think there is a problem with that circumstance-- though I am just a regular working guy, albeit old and willing to quack. A Swede expat in the Kwa has also expressed her capacity to get me an interview with Saga after the holidays; the rightists here already hang out with me informally-- have given me their friendship etc. So all these things are a good start.
Anyway, this thread is to ask for any recollections of good exchanges between Alex and myself on any Goyfire. Obviously, I'd prefer one in which Alex really is on a Linder roll. Karmas has expressed a general willingness to include such audio in the filmed piece and tomorrow they are coming to my Mustamae, Tallinn apartment to film me on the net, on Goyfire and VNN. So you get the idea. I have listened to all or part of maybe 14 or 18 Goyfires, and I can't remember what might be good. So if you recently heard one, please cite the Goyfire show number and the time into the file where the exchange occurred. Thanks.
Remember. VNN is now reasonably well known in this precious, small White genetic preserve enclave on The Dark jew Planet and will be much more so after this TV show airs.
Link References:
http://www.ekspress.ee/viewdoc/F1572A734C0D74BFC225721F00420192
http://www.ekspress.ee/commentid/F1572A734C0D74BFC225721F00420192/count=200
http://www.ekspress.ee/viewdoc/4F9ACF372178233CC2257219003D7C51
http://www.ekspress.ee/commentid/4F9ACF372178233CC2257219003D7C51/count=200
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=10019
Estonia Bans Jewish Hate Groups
Display Of Communist Symbols Criminalized
...Estonia is one of Europe's most progressive and pro-white nations, where National Socialist parades by SS veterans and their families are common, several national socialists sit in office, and American white activists are welcome and can speak and live freely in an all-white society.
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/16968/
Free speech questioned as Estonia prepares to ban Soviet, Nazi symbolsDec 06, 2006
By Joel Alas
TALLINN - Estonia is set to place a ban on the display of Soviet and Nazi symbols if a new bill is adopted by Parliament. Ammendments to the penal code will make it illegal to show such symbols as the hammer and sickle or the swastika in a way that incites hatred or disturbs public peace. The government accepted the bill last week. In the words of Justice Minister Rein Lang, one of the aims of the ammendments is to prevent people from waving the Soviet flag at memorial events, such as the May 9 ceremony commemorating the fall of the Nazi regime, known in Russia as Victory Day.
The new bill has drawn outrage from Moscow and raised an international eyebrow, with some academics questioning whether the law will restrict free speech.
While several other European nations prohibit the provocative display of the swastika, few other nations have issued a blanket ban against the hammer and sickle.
Lang said the symbols would not be entirely stricken from public display, and said the law – if approved by vote in Parliament - would be open to judicial interpretation.
“It will be decided case-by-case if a display of the occupying regimes’ symbols incites hatred and thus constitutes violation of the law or not,” Lang told a press conference on Nov. 29.
“Nobody is going to ban the Soviet and Nazi symbols from being used in a theatrical performance or in research. But waving the red Soviet flags at the Bronze Soldier should be punishable as it incites hatred,” he explained.
http://usera.imagecave.com/brutusVNN/BushLaysWreath.bmp.jpg http://usera.imagecave.com/brutusVNN/Bush-statue.bmp.jpg
According to a Justice Ministry briefing memo, the reforms are required because the current wording of the law is too ambiguous.
“The use of certain symbols will be punishable only if two conditions have been fulfilled - if they are used to incite to hatred or disturb the public peace,” the memo said.
Along with the swastika and hammer and sickle, the government also plans to ban the symbol of the Nazi SS, or secret police.
“The list is not exhaustive, it only specifies the symbols of the regimes that occupied Estonia, because their use is more likely to incite hatred due to historical reasons.”
The ministry said wearing the symbols on clothing would not necessarily be considered illegal, but could be interpreted as inciting hatred depending on the circumstance.
Punishment would range from fines to prison sentences of up to three years.
The Russian Foreign Ministry immediately issued a furious statement, saying it was “blasphemous” to compare the Soviet symbol with Nazi emblems. A ministry spokesman told Russian press that the actions were deliberately provocative and would seriously aggravate relations between the neighboring countries.
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was quoted by Interfax as saying, “From a political standpoint, I do not see any explanation [for the ban] other than a desire to create artificial problems under conditions when we need to solve real problems including the problem of the Russian-speaking population in Latvia and Estonia,” Lavrov was quoted.
Independent analysts were skeptical of the ban, but for different reasons. Tartu University lecturer Heiko Paabo, a researcher in transition studies, questioned the reforms, which he said could again turn the hammer and sickle into a symbol of resistance.
“On one hand, it limits people’s ability to express themselves and can be seen as a threat to expression,” Paabo said. “On the other hand, these symbols are very strongly related to violence and values which are not accepted in West European society,” he said.
“I would prefer using different means to deal with [the problem], namely educating people about the meaning of these symbols. If you prohibit something, it brings even more sympathy or support than should exist,” he said.
The academic added that it was difficult to determine where to draw the line, and questioned whether the ubiquitous image of Che Guevara – another infamous violent revolutionary – should also be banned.
“Should we ban all such images, or allow them to exist but try to give the symbol its proper significance?” Paabo asked.
Social commentators in Estonia have also questioned interpretation of the law and raised the example of party costumes as an area that could cause confusion.
“What if I decide to dress up as a pioneer [Soviet equivalent of a boy scout or girl scout - ed.] to go to a party – should I be put in jail?” one member of the public asked on an Internet bulletin board.
The European Union shied away from introducing similar laws in 2005.
Latvia already bans the display of both Nazi and Soviet symbols at public meetings, while Hungary has adopted a blanket ban on symbols of both occupying forces.