A thread that was started on Stormfront was closed just now, I suspect it was so they would not have to post my reply.
For the record, I like Don Black and StormFront, although I can understand some of the venting being done here after the blatant pro-N.A. censorship that has been allowed to take place there lately.
I wouldn't mind having the final word on that thread, so here it is:

A little note to all...
"Byron" here is the very same who admittedly stole not only stock (returned or not) but also the mailing lists from HQ, now nestled in neatly with the "competition."

Funny, I don't recall "admitting" such nonsense. As every single one of Dr. P's entire former staff can attest to, Dr. P announced at my last staff meeting that after disagreeing about Gliebe's mismanagement of Resistance and the squandering of tens of thousands of dollars of member's money, we had mutually and amicably agreed that I would train my replacement and cease working at HQ. Anyone saying differently now is shamefully puttting false words in Dr. Pierce's mouth and is lying, or repeating the lie. Period.
But of course they have no choice but to allege that I was "fired" for "stealing"....they have used up all of the other good excuses for the countless other staffers who whave quit to protest Gliebe's ruining of the Alliance.
Hmmm, let's see, Gerhard, the attorney, had mental trouble. Wayne, the editor, was weird and unstable. Bily Roper was divisive. Fred and Martha Streed were attemting a "coup", as was Dr. Demairas and Kitty M. (all Board Of Director members who had named Gliebe Chairman one year before calling for his resignation)
I may make a list of a few dozen of the last staffers to quit in disgust, and you clever little spin doctors can explain to everybodt what the "official" reason for their departures....Johnny Dixon (not his real name), Jeff Cotton,
Jason, Bob and Amanda, Kidder (not his real name) and his wife, Ben Vineyard, .............Should I go on? I can think of about 20 more.....How about this, you give a list of former staffers and give the "party line" reason why they left, and I will have them write a statement concerning the real reason. We all talk to each other, for the most part, and we are thinking of starting something of an office pool where we all put in $5 and guess the next one to "split and quit" after spending too much time in the inner circle.
We may have a side bet about who can guess the closest date to the next time the cops are called there.....
Somebody said how "lonely and isolating" West Virginia is, as an explanation for the turnover, but at the time I left, there were more former staffers living in Hillsboro than current staffers, they loved the area and stayed. Anybody remember that?
I would love to be a fly on the wall at the little strategy session "think tanks" at HQ these days...."Let's see, dozens of our own staffers have exposed us and called for us to resign, and they even have police reports and court transcripts verifying that we are infested with informants---I know, let's start saying they are defective ex-employees and then start websites calling them pootyheads and thieves and Mexicans." "Yeah! and we can say if everybody doesn't lick our butt and go along with it, they must be working for the SPLC...."
Brilliant.
Unfortunately, the N.A. leaders have spent a long time alienating every other group out there, COTC, AN, WR, skinheads, etc...calling them hobbyists, freaks, defectives and beer-swilling Sieg Heiling rejects that don't meet the N.A.'s "elite" standards, which by the way only require $10 and a stamped envelope for membership......Now the N.A. bats their eyelashes like some innocent Southern belle, and says, "Why, I just can't imagine why nobody likes us. Can't we have a teensy weensy bit of unity here?"
Nigga pleez.
It's the unsuspecting members, mostly newbies, who trot out to defend this corrupt gang of retards. ( Hey, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale, I can even put up a website that shows how nice it is. I even have a graph showing how the property value has skyrocketed, and I can print it off and sell it to you for $5.)
Besides the "official" reason why everybody quits HQ in disgust, I have 3 other questions I'd like answered by the Intelligent Ones:
Where are the sponsored chairs people donated money for that are supposed to go in the Big New Meeting Building that nobody has worked on since Fred Streed resigned?
Where are the bricks people sent money in for to adorn the Dr. Pierce Memorial Garden that doesn't, and probably never will, exist?
How many months has the current Main Building and Resistance Records warehouse been without running water, and why, exactly?

But really, can you name any former HQ staffers that are still even members, and that will come on here and stick up for the new N.A.? I can list literally dozens who aren't and won't. What do they know that the rest of you don't?
I guess I'm just jealous of the wild success of a group with no working indoor plumbing. (As a helpful hint to any current staffers who work at HQ and have to go to the farmhouse to take a dump, if you take a bucket to that stream that runs year-round by Streed's old house, you can fill the tanks up and at least flush the toilets, even though your brilliant leaders can't figure out how to make the plumbing and central heat work.)

I've re-opened the thread, byron. Post away, but spare us the details about the spackle bucket.

Once you've had the last word the thread gets closed again, fair enough? (I hate seeing a grown man cry.)


This makes me LOL, Lawless. :D Being a little more "neutral", I see.

Grown man cry? Are you serious? And why would you close the thread again after I posted that? Wouldn't you like to see some legitimate responses to my extremely legitimate questions?
I'll take you at your word (don't know why) that you didn't close that thread because my reply was waiting in the wings to be approved and posted by you or some other mod, but it's obvious that the thread, and the discussion and debate that accompanied it, was shut down due to the level of discomfort being experienced by Gliebe's associates. I have yet to see a SF thread shut down due to too many people heaping praises on your failing organization, but several because of exposure.
See, you people have imitated your oppressors too well. You see the tactics used to squash all of us in the open, mainstream societies we built, so you build your own microcosm of a society where you call the shots. You have a right to do so. I have a right to dissent if I think it hurts my people and their survival. And I am being totally honest when I tell you that that is what you are doing.
You and your ilk are now the "system" that needs exposing.
Remember Germany? They built a real, robust, vibrant society. They loved for their people to see the desolation that accompanied Communism, so they could come back and tell the truth they discovered. The Communists, on the other hand, routinely imprisoned their own P.O.Ws after they were returned back to the USSR because they didn't want the wonders and efficiency of the Third Reich to be openly talked about. The Communists instead went to great effort to build mock cities that were fitted with all of the modern trappings the rest of the world had, and visitors were shown this fakery instead of the lines of freezing peasants waiting to buy a light bulb or roll of toilet paper.
It was a fake house of cards and they wanted to protect their secret.
That will seem a dramatic comparison to the N.A. only to those who don't know the truth.
Dr. Pierce's former staff knows the truth, and they are talking about it.
You are losing/driving away members and business at a breakneck speed, and you, Lawdog, probably don't even know it. Keep telling us that our time and money is well spent on the N.A., while Gliebe plots with Boyd Thompson to sell the whole property, (did you even know that?)while the infrastructure falls apart to the point that you don't even have running water or heat (dare to deny it?) while Dr. Pierce's former staff and countless former staffers expose the whole mess (care to address that?)
Hey, why did Dr. M. from Canada quit the Alliance, leave West Virginia, and change his will, cutting the N.A. out of about $500,000? I ask that facetiously, because I doubt you know the truth yourself. I do. Should I run an interview with Dr. M? He has things to say about Gliebe & Co. that will be news to you, perhaps. He was an elderly professor who put up with Gliebe for a couple of months after Dr. P died, and then pulled the old "quit & split"......
Do you care to substantively address a single, solitary point that I have raised? Or just brush them off and accuse me of "crying."
I think I am calmly and rationally raising some valid points about this group of sillies that has told me that they, and they alone, can guarantee the future of my children.
You think I have a sense of humor, or unending patience, with your blustering nonsense? Do you think this is all some funny joke?
Do you think we will continue to allow you imbeciles to continue draining precious resources from our kindred, and let more good men like Chester Doles rot in prison for making the mistake of continuing to associate with you nest of rats long after he knew the score? Do you think any of us will sit back and allow you to continue to try and recruit more decent young White men and women into your inept, dishonest house of mirrors where they are lied to and sent out to attack the rest of us who are trying to accomplish something? You are insane if you think we will let that happen. You are stomp down fucking crazy if you think any of us will stand aside and let your nonsense go on unchallenged. Every decent White kid I can drive away from the new N.A. is a White kid who stands a much reduced chance of being put in prison by one of your many informants.
Why don't you debate me here on the open ice, without the ability to close the thread when the truth starts to hurt?

byron/byronio, whatever you call yourself here, the opportunity to put your two cents in expires when I log off this evening.

You know, our race is going down for the count and this petty juvenile bullshit pisses me off more than anything else. Whose side are you on anyway?

Idiots like cabinger come up with, oh so witty, shit like Gliebe the dweebe which almost rhymes, and byronio describes taking a dump at the NA Headquarters!! This is the race I've dedicated my life to saving?


You ain't saving shit. It's up for the race to save itself--don't fucking puff yourself up too much.

man byron, you drop-kicked lawdog right in the balls so hard with that last post of yours i heard him squeal.

the na is a fucking fraud, a dirty scam, and an overpriced book-of-the-month-club for wannabe nazis.

then there's erich gliebe. what's happened to the movement when a 40 year old guy who's unmarried and has no kids is put in charge of 'saving the white race'. i mean, the dude's 40 years old and isn't even responsible enough to have a family of his own. what a total fucking loser! is he queer? hey, don't laugh. some of hitler's own men were queers, ernst rohm to name but one. maybe gliebe can't make anything last with any chicks cause he's a loser in bed. or maybe he'd rather be playing the skin flute.

whatever. all i know is that the na sucks.
http://galeon.hispavista.com/sgm/waffenss/rohm.jpghttp://www.onepeoplesproject.com/images/gliebe.jpg
Ernst Rohm-Homo Erich Gliebe - Homo 2?

Well, you have to call it like you see it, I guess. But I can assure you I would never associate with anybody I believed to be a mud.
Ed from BFG used to be accused of being everything from an Indian to a Turk and a lot of shit in between. People say what they say.
But if you think I just can't tell a Mexican when I see one, go ask Tom Metzger, he's known Anthony for years, (and he's from Cali and can probably spot them by now) so has probably every WP band in the U.S. and most of them from Europe. I guess we are all dupes?
Your opinion is cool, I'm not attacking you, but hey, the guy grew up on the beach, has a tan that will probably give him skin cancer when he's old, and he may be an ugly bastard :) But I can assure you, he's White. Of course, I'm not much of a Nordicist or anything, I don't go in for all of that "people from Spain and Italy are muds" stuff.
When you ever go to a show in Europe, you'll see people that look just like Anthony, good luck telling them they are Mexicans. I don't suggest it, really.
In any case, that's something you can talk about anywhere you want, of course, but I'd like to see if this thread can be used to debate Lawdog on the organization we are supposed to entrust our children's future to.

Lawdog, if even 10% of the things alleged by all of us former staffers are true, a drastic change is needed.
If these things are coming from the top, the N.A. is dead and simply running on Pierce's bank accounts.
We don't have to settle for second best. I have heard for years that "the N.A. is better than anything else, so what can we do....."
Do you hear yourself? What kind of revolutionary are you? When you fuss about the current government of the U.S. and advocate for it's removal (and if you aren't doing that, you know nothing about Pierce and the National Alliance) you hear from mainstream lemmings, "Hey, the U.S. is the best thing we got. We have the best country, so if you don't like it, leave." Or maybe you hear, "What would you do if the government failed tomorrow? Would that make you happy?"
See, you hear that all the time if you actually try to convince people to come over to our way of thinking.....And it must be so effective when used against you that you resort to the same evasive tactics here.
"The N.A. is the biggest, you can't argue with that. What would you replace us with?"
If even a fraction of the charges being levelled at the N.A. leaders is true, you could replace the whole outfit with a fucking baloney sandwich and it would be better.
Local units are extensions of the Head Office, you can't tell me the head is corrupt but we need to be nice because we all have a friend who has a friend who is in the N.A., and he's cool.
When you pay your dues, you don't have one iota of control over what they are going to be used for.
So I'm tired of hearing the pusilanimous mewling from members who e-mail me and defensively apologize for still being members because "I'm just a grunt, I'm not in charge, it's not my fault what the leadership does, they don't tell us anything, besides, what else could I join?"
Lemmings! "What other club could I join if the N.A. shits the bed?"
Dr. Pierce would literally barf on you for saying that.
I have actually patiently listened to a particularly excited Sacto female member tell me, "So what if Erich pressed a few more CDs than he paid the band for? So what? Look at all the good we are doing."
And that is a quote.
So you might be able to dress up in suits like the big boys you will never, ever, in real life be, and convince each other that your continued existence justifies anything you have to do, but that is why you will never understand why you are rejected by real people.
If I had never gone to West Virginia to help Dr. Pierce with Resistance Records, I might still be somewhere paying my dues every month, hoping it would be used correctly to further our collective goals, and still defending the N.A.
And what do you mean, "what is there to debate?"
Go back to my original post, find all of the goddamn question marks ("?" those things)
Those come at the end of questions, see, and then you answer them.
Let me explain it better:
I know the truth, and you either don't know it, or you are a liar. Either way, I ask gratuitous questions that I already know the answers to, see, and dare you to answer them. Then when you do, I explain how you are either making it up, or passing on lies, and then I prove it to everybody who is reading along. See? Now that is called a "debate." I know that's a word you don't know from your experience as a Storm Front Moderator, but see here, you can't lock the threads. You either respond with substance, (which, being a supporter of the new N.A. is very, very hard for you to do when you are being grilled by someone who fucking knows what's going on,) or you try to evade the question, and make wild counter-accusations before the first point has been settled. Or you bluster about your success, claim victory, and run away.

You are used to "debating" on your own turf, where you make the rules and treat criticism like a talk show host treats a nazi, where you can make the audience "booo" on command and then cut to a commercial before people can develop their points.

Now that I have explained how to debate, jump on in and try it.

Whatever, NiggerBoy. You've got "I'm a Fag" written all over your post.

What's to debate, byronio?

No, I don't think this is a fucking joke, that's why assholes like Wiley Coyote piss me off as much as they do.

For the sake of argument, let's say the NA totally falls apart tomorrow, would that make you happy? Is there some alternative that's better? C'mon!


That's a nice rant, Lawless. Stick around and stay tuned. :)

Barleycorn:

Hey, BTW, the N.A. has members that make Anthony look like Casper the Ghost, but we don't expect much from a group that has a mail-in membership for $10, so we don't fuck with them much about it.
But the name Cecchini is not my genetic name. My mom remarried when I was 4 years old, and Cecchini is my step-dad's name. I go by Calvert because that is my middle, and a family, name. Calvert is my children's last name on their birth certificates...

For some amusing reason the N.A. supporters delight in "exposing" me for using a "fake" last name, like I give a shit or am trying to hide something.

When I worked at the Alliance I processed membership applications for people who used "Boxholder" as a name, I shit you not, there are official membership cards floating around out there identifying Mr. Box Holder as a member in good standing. More than one. I think there is also a "Haywood Jablomey" and a "Jack Doff" if I remember correctly.

Good job cabinger destroying the fucking idiotic assholes at Stormfront

Good job cabinger destroying the fucking idiotic assholes at Stormfront


This ain't nothing. I haven't even begun yet. They're flailing pathetically trying to red herring the issue. I DO hate giving SF additional publicity.

What cowards they won't even answer you, all they do is say ohhhhh morris dees made those allegations so they are bullshit. They don't want to admit that the NA is fucking up big time, let them put there goddamn heads in the sand.

What cowards they won't even answer you, all they do is say ohhhhh morris dees made those allegations so they are bullshit. They don't want to admit that the NA is fucking up big time, let them put there goddamn heads in the sand.

They're truley gutless. Those gutless wonders go out of their way to attack the messenger.

This ain't nothing. I haven't even begun yet. They're flailing pathetically trying to red herring the issue. I DO hate giving SF additional publicity.

I think your main problem is that you are depending upon the SPLC. The SPLC is doing their best to destroy our race, so they have an automatic defense to any of their claims. In fact, "Jerry Abbott" provided most of the details they swiped from his website. Fred Streed also detailed a few things that they stole. You could also restate what Magnus Volk asked (Victor Gerhard's letter posted here at vnnforum) that no one has bothered to answer. Maybe you could cut and paste some of what Byron said WAS going to be his response. I mean, you can link it as well just for proof.

Quothe Byron:

"Remember Germany? They built a real, robust, vibrant society. They loved for their people to see the desolation that accompanied Communism, so they could come back and tell the truth they discovered. The Communists, on the other hand, routinely imprisoned their own P.O.Ws after they were returned back to the USSR because they didn't want the wonders and efficiency of the Third Reich to be openly talked about. The Communists instead went to great effort to build mock cities that were fitted with all of the modern trappings the rest of the world had, and visitors were shown this fakery instead of the lines of freezing peasants waiting to buy a light bulb or roll of toilet paper.
It was a fake house of cards and they wanted to protect their secret.
That will seem a dramatic comparison to the N.A. only to those who don't know the truth."

This is probably the best analogy to the NA/SF situation I have heard. SF will never really let anything too close to the real truth stay for long. I can't prove SF is getting cash from the NA, but I am willing to hazard a guess that SF and other internet hobbyist defects need something like the NA. A mythical isle of tranquility. A solution to race problems that requires only ten bucks and a stamp. Basically, someone else to do the work. They desperately wish for the NA to be viable and effective, so they can have "the race war"(an amazingly retarded concept) wrapped up by the NA in time for Monday.

As I said earlier in this thread, to say the NA is still viable is a joke, to say it is growing is an outright lie. Growth is putting 2,000 people in D.C., not dropping a few dozen flyers which go right in the trash on peoples stoops.

Roper was a mover and a shaker, so he had to go. I think from the NA's viewpoint, if people are actually active, they wont buy their shitty merchandise. Not kissing Ropers ass, but I'm trying to illustrate the NA is a FOR PROFIT CORPORATION. That means they want money, not victory.

Hey Lawdog, I noticed you left that thread open on StormFront, although you didn't post my responses there, (I submitted them twice, just for fun.) Pretty sad you can't even answer a few things on your own board. I actually saw N.A. types on SF saying, "What is Gliebe accused of, what are the charges?" As if it were all a secret mystery that nobody could articulate.
What's the matter Lawdog? You have so much to say......

I just read that thread. The fact the SFers just keep copping out by saying clichéd buzz-words such as "jew", "unity" "informant" etc. show they don't have a leg to stand on in dismissing the SPLC's claim, which was the point of the thread. None have been able to prove everything is going smooth over at NA HQ.

Cabinger, you have been dominating it without even trying, but that doesn't say much when debating the typical neutured SFer who can only harp about "unity", while never having taken a public stance for their race.

The NA is a rotten, for profit corporation. If it weren't a tiny fish is a bacterium-sized pond, more people would be able to admit that, and move on.

I do sleep for four or five hours and then I work anywhere from 12-14 hours then I get to play. I'm just one of many moderators on SF. Your post might still be waiting for approval for all I know, I just got home from work and haven't been there yet tonight.

Listen Man, it seems that we know some of the same people so I know that you're a sincere white man and our goals are ultimately the same. That's a hell of a lot more then I can say about the other cyber-personalities here. You've got a serious beef with the NA that sounds more personal than anything else, I don't. You've got a lot of he said, she said, who did what when stories and I'm in no position to refute them. You apparently want to destroy the NA, I want it to succeed. We've got our differences.

All I know is, we're running out of time, all this internet bullshit isn't helping us to save our race, and tearing down the NA isn't going to help our race either.

We've been through this once before, me and you. It's too bad we can't sit down and hash this out over a few beers, we'd either wind up buddies or beat the crap out of each other. This forum is not the place to do it though. People who can say with a straight face that only a little more than a year ago they were 'antis', (how the hell does that work?) or join an org for a few weeks and then turn on it like the family dog going for your throat aren't the kind of people I'd trust or associate with, even in cyberspace.

That's all I've got to say.

Big whoop. You people make it sound like some elitist religion. I don't need you or anyone else, Lawdog. I really don't know why you have hardon for me, but I think it's time to get over it.

OK, I'll have to accept that. I would have no problem drinking beers with you or whatever, but what is wrong with the Gliebe's N.A. is not something that could be discussed and fixed over a few beers, as if it were a personal misunderstanding. I spent years promoting the N.A. before I was a member. I spent years as a member. I spent a year as a staffer. Even after that eye-opening experience, I thought we could still work with the good elements and change the negative elements within the N.A., or just work with them in spite of what was wrong.
Gliebe's activities as Chairman has left a growing number of people with no alternative but to conclude that at this point, everything that was wrong, sneaky, destructive, inept, treacherous, and unacceptable was now not just an element of the new N.A., but was firmly in charge of it and had essentially killed it. Real damage is being done.
I have given Gliebe many chances to indicate that I might be wrong and overreacting, although I knew I was not.
The SPLC wrote an article about some explosive comments Gliebe made at a LC. We now know that the guy who framed and recorded Chester Doles was the one who provided the SPLC with an audio tape. In any case, the N.A. also videotaped the conference, and I was sent a tape from HQ. the statements allegedly made by Gliebe, in fact were made. Exact quotes. Word for word. A shame that the SPLC knew about it? Yes. But exact quotes nontheless.
I was tempted to put that video on the internet. I did not. At that point I still thought things could change. I called Gliebe and told him I had the tape, and really asked him to tell me something, anything, that would convince me to not air the tape. If you remember, Gliebe and his crew were denying the SPLC report, saying it was all lies, they called Pastor Butler and Matt Hale and swore that they would never have uttered such comments about their fine organization. It was a lie. They called Skinheads up and swore they would have never said such things about skinheads. That, too, was a fucking lie. They said anybody who repeated what the SPLC said was a jewish tool, and a dupe of Morris Dees. I saw the videotape, and it was verbatim what the SPLC alleged.

Now, is that honorable, to backstab your comrades and then deny it, lying to them, lying to your own membership? I could have nuked the Alliance then and there, because you fuckers had dug a nice big hole for yourselves, flat out denying anything like that was said by the Intelligent One. He is a disgraceful liar.
The fact that people use the internet to communicate certain things, as does the N.A., does not necessarily mean this can all be ascribed to "internet gossip"......To you guys, "internet gossip" means the shit you wish people didn't know about your group. Chris Evans, the informant, has at least 2 websites up dedicated to calling me and Anthony names in retaliation for us ceasing to do business with Resistance since they have verifiable rats, with the paperwork on them to prove it, at the top of the organization.
Now, have you told Evans how "internet gossip" is harmful? No, you probably say that me exposing the truth about him and the N.A.'s acceptance of him is "internet gossip."
The credibility of the N.A.'s rank and file members is being damaged by the fact that they are going to be considered willing participants to this treachery once it can be assumed that they should have caught on by now. Your leaders are doing more damage to the N.A. and Pierce's legacy than I ever could, even if I was so inclined.
No, Lawdog, this isn't some personal spat between me and Gliebe, despite what they want to tell you.
The only way anybody could be in a position to know what all of us former staffers know would be if they worked at HQ and saw the truth firsthand. Of course, then it is very easy for you to brush us all off as "angry ex-employees."
Well, I will tell you, Gliebe's N.A. has quite a few nasty little surprises in store for them. You people had many chances to put pressure on your leadership and create change, and now it's too late. Gliebe and his crew are going to continue to be exposed for stuff, and you won't be able to moan about how "there isn't any proof" trust me. If you have 50 members this time next year, I'll be amazed.

Lawdog:


So with the above said, can you really blame people like me for telling people like Gweebe to fuck off? Can you really blame me for being angry that SF is in bed with the NA? Can you blame me for not accepting your cliquish control freak mods?

It's been said that you fuckers read people's PMs, or at least have the ability to. And then there's the stupid rep points issue. What an absolute joke you guys are. What an Orwellian joke you all are.

So to me, what I did was perfectly logical in my own mind. It was a reaction to the lies and the liars who propagate them.

byron said, describing the National Alliance: "...you fuckers..."
that's what they are all right - just a bunch of lying, cheating fuckers. dupes like this guy lawdog can't (or won't) see the truth, even when it smacks him right between the eyes.

It seems SF finally locked the thread. I'm not surprised, but I would have loved to see their reaction to Byrons post. I don't think anything short of a mod mashing his "delete option" would have been sufficient enough damage control to deal with that little bombshell. Its interesting you claim to have proof Gliebe is a liar. While I agree the NA is rotten, I would like to see proof. Cement the concept, so to speak.

Ahhh, patience, grasshopper. Timing is everything :)

Funny, they refuse to post a legitimate post on their site, come here and refuse to debate it, then eventually lock the thread in question after declaring that nobody has any substantive points. Funny things is, most of the N.A. members are coming here to see what can't be said anywhere else.
The few idiots who come here to post shit talk only gives this forum more credibility, because it shows that uncensored means uncensored.

The few idiots who come here to post shit talk only gives this forum more credibility, because it shows that uncensored means uncensored.

I thought in case you haven't read the post, below is something I read yesterday that makes it clear the spammer RaHoMo88 is from the N.A. He/she is attacking S.F.'s resident N.A. critic MagnusVolk for attacking the N.A. http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=3639&postcount=24


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Look, let's lay it all out.

Fagnus is a liar. Anyone with even an elementary understanding of weightlifting can see that. His claims are nothing but bullshit, and even looking at his sloppy ass physique in the pictures he posts around show it. Defend all you want, he's a lying motherfucker and too gutless to defend himself.

The dudes also get a fucking complex problem. I've seen his posts, many of them. When he isn't making bullshit bogus claims about his lifting exploits he's either attacking the National Alliance talking more shit, or calling anyone who doesn't kiss his ass "pro wrestling watching redneck trash". This coming from a faggot who dresses like it's a 1987 Weider add. Hey Fagnus, cut the bullshit, get a clue and for Christ's sake get some new fucking less gay clothes. You're not an IFBB Pro in 1987, shit you aint even on level with NPC Competitors from 1987. You lying sack of shit.

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Attention all pro NA/pro SF people:

Keep going. Keep up the threats and accusations. You're doing a fantastic job defending real class. :D

Actually, the dumbass comments the N.A./SF types are coming here and
supposedly posting make them all look so retarded, I almost think it's not them. It has to be somebody trying to make them look stupider than they really are.
Nah, they probably are that dumb.

I ran into Shaun Walker last night, and conversed with him for about 2 hours.

He said membership is up, and Stormfront is their biggest recruiter.

Actually, the dumbass comments the N.A./SF types are coming here and
supposedly posting make them all look so retarded, I almost think it's not them. It has to be somebody trying to make them look stupider than they really are.

Nah, they probably are that dumb.


Exactly.

Just stand back and watch. The funny thing is they probably think they're "scoring points" and "enlightening the audience," heh heh heh. Their hysterical ranting, often in a tone of feigned "satire" is actually creating a reflexive dislike in people who were previously neutral to whatever "cause" they're promoting.

This is why I'm personally against any censorship at this forum. Blocking or banning the mentally unbalanced few is nowhere near as effective as giving them all the room they need to openly froth at the mouth and bay at the moon.

Meanwhile, exercise some self control and do not address anything they say. Just let it lay there.

OK, I'm really going to utter some blasphemy here.

What, exactly, does the National Alliance DO?

As nearly as I can figure, in its present form (which I date from about the year 1999; Pierce's NA was by no means some kind of "Golden Age") the NA exists pretty much solely for the purpose of selling Skinhead rock music CDs and a few other items by mail and on the internet. The National Vanguard magazine, one of the best propaganda tools we ever had, had a brief spurt of coming out regularly and is now (so I understand) dismally behind schedule again. Although to be sure, Strom may have simply cut me off the subscription list because he suspects, correctly, that I harbor disrespectful thoughts.

Is there, was there, ever any kind of actual PLAN to create genuine political, social, racial, and economic change on the ground? If so I seem to have missed it somewhere. OK, I was never part of the inner circle. Maybe I DID miss a lot, including exactly what the hell we were supposed to be DOING besides rounding up customer's for the National Office's sales and dues machine.

Anyone?

SAMann said: "...the NA exists pretty much solely for the purpose of selling Skinhead rock music CDs..."
You're right, SA. That's the only reason the NA exists - to sell skinhead music to lots 'n lots of gullible teens with loose change in their pockets. Sure, the NA every once in awhile scatters a few flyers around some neighborhood, just to maintain the illusion they're an 'organization'. But, in truth, all they are is a CD & Book-of-the-Month Club. And the money Gliebe and his henchmen rake in goes mostly into their own pockets, with the rest into the development of their own personal little retirement community up on that West Virginia hilltop, built on the now rotting bones of Dr. William Pierce.

When will most genuine white nationalists see this truth?

Probably not until America is 3/4 non-white, and our racial tombstone is being carved.

http://www.resistance.com/Html/Images/ForestofAttack.JPG
This photo basically sums up the reason why
The National Alliance exists.

People should hear this interview with Sean Tarrant, the white man who spent 9 YEARS in prison after NA employee Chris Evans testified against him. OUCH! And Evans is only ONE of the informants currently making a living on the dues of NA members.

Chris Evans may have done some good things for the NA or NA members. Kudos to that. But Bill White, too, supposedly did some good things for VNN (early on, in the immediate wake of the Marc Moran abandonment). Do the good things erase the bad?

Does Bill White's keeping VNN online after Moran jumped ship erase his siccing federal agents on VNN in his fit of crybaby tears and finger-pointing? I'd say no.

Does Chris Evans' raising money for one slain white man's family erase his destroying another white man and his family by testifying against him in ZOG's court? I'd say no.

In this interview, you can listen to Sean Tarrant, the man Chris Evans helped send to prison for 9 years, speak for himself on the issue.

http://www.panzerfaust.com/radio/tarrant.mp3

Brock,

It is an axiom in the Movement that the bad ALWAYS displaces the good. People say that David Duke "did a lot of good". I'm sorry, HOW exactly does this "good" he did excuse or negate his gambling away $230,000 of his supporters' donations, probably more? (The $230,000 is just the money the Feds were able to trace.)

I have to be somewhere and I can't really get into this now, but there must be a complete sea change in the Movement and in the way we view our leaders and in the standards that we demand of our leaders.

Brock,

It is an axiom in the Movement that the bad ALWAYS displaces the good. People say that David Duke "did a lot of good". I'm sorry, HOW exactly does this "good" he did excuse or negate his gambling away $230,000 of his supporters' donations, probably more? (The $230,000 is just the money the Feds were able to trace.)

I have to be somewhere and I can't really get into this now, but there must be a complete sea change in the Movement and in the way we view our leaders and in the standards that we demand of our leaders.


I can't say that I disagree with you.