Here is a 1933 sermon by Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich on the relationship between Judaism, Christianity, and racial/national pride(in this case Germany specifically). You people better enjoy it, I spent an hour typing this thing out and please pardon any errors I made.


Judaism, Christianity, and Germany
Cardinal Faulhaber

Already in the year 1899, on the occasion of the anti-semitic domstration at Hamburg, and simultaneously in Chamberlain's book The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, a demand was raised for the complete seperation of Judaism from Christianity, and for the complete elimination from Christianity of all Jewish elements. Nearly two decades later these idea were once more propagated in such books as The Sin Against Blood, The Great Fraud, and The False God. Judaism and Christianity, it was maintained, were incompatible; the Jewish Bible must be replaced by a German Bible, Martin Luther had done only half his work, for in his Bible he had included the Scriptures of the Old Testament. Today these single voices have swelled together in a chorus: Away with the Old Testament! A Christianity which still clings to the Old Testament is a Jewish religion, irreconcilable with the spirit of the German people. Children at school must no longer be bothered with Bible stories of Joseph the Egyptian or the ancient Moses...Given the present general attitude of mind, this outcry is well calculated to shake the foundations of the faith in the souls of the German people.

Even the Person of Christ is not spared by this religious revolution. Some have indeed tried to save Him with a forged birth certificate, and have said that He was not a Jew at all but an Aryan, because there were Aryans among the inhabitants of Galilee. But so long as historical sources count for more than surmise, there can be no doubt about the fact. The first chapter of the first gospel gives us the genealogy of Jesus, with the title: "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham." Similarily, the Epistle to the Romans attests the origin of Jesus from the seed of David (i, 4). Undoubtedly the Galileans, a borderland people, were of mixed origin. But Christ was not born in Galilee; he was born in Bethlehem, the city of David, in the land of the tribe of Juda, and officially He was entered in the register as a descendent of David. And so others now take up the cry: Then we must renounce Him, if He was a Jew - and the scene of the Gospel is re-enacted: "They thrust Him out of the city and brought Him to the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, and they might cast Him down headlong" (Luke iv, 29). "Again they took up stones to stone Him" (John x, 31).

When such voices are raised, when such movements are afoot, the bishop cannot remain silent. When racial research, in itself not a religious matter, makes war upon religion and attacks the foundations of Christianity; when antagonism to the Jews of the present day is extended to the sacred books of the Old Testament and Christianity is condemned because it has relations of origins with pre-Christian Judaism; when stones are cast at the Person of our Lord and Savior, and this in the very year in which we are celebrating the centernary of his of work of Redemption, then the bishop cannot remain silent. And therefore I preach these Advent sermons on the Old Testament and its fufillment in Christianity.

On this subject I may claim to speak as a specialist, having spent eleven years of my life lecturing on these questions in the University of Wuzburg and having held the chair of Old Testament Scripture in the University of Strassburg...

So that I may be perfectly clear and preclude any possible misunderstanding, let me begin by making three distinctions. We must first distinguish between the people of Israel before and after the death of Christ. Before the death of Christ during the period between the calling of Abraham and the fullness of time, the people of Israel were the vehicle of Divine Revelation. The Spirit of God raised up and enlightened man who by the law, the Mosaic Torah, regulated their religious and civil life, by the Pslams provided them with a prayer book for family devotion and a hymn book for the public liturgy, by the Sapiential books taught them how to conduct their lives, and as prophets awakened the conscience of the nation with the living word. It is only with this Israel of the early biblical period that I shall deal in my Advent sermons.

After the death of Christ, Israel was dismissed from the service of Revelation. She had not known the time of her visitation. She had repudiated and rejected the Lord's Anointed, and had driven Him out of the city and nailed Him to the Cross. Then the veil of the Temple was rent, and with it the covenant between the Lord and His people. The daughters of Sion recieved the bill of divorce, and from that time forth Assuerus wanders, forever restless, over the face of the earth. Even after the death of Christ the Jews are still a "mystery", as St. Paul says(Rom. xi, 25); and one day, at the end of time, for them too the hour of grace will strike(Rom. xi, 26). But - I repeat - in these Advent sermons I am speaking only of pre-Christian Judaism.

In the second place we must distinguish between the Scriptures of the Old Testament on the one hand and the Talmudic writings of post-Christian Judaism on the other, whether these be glosses and commentaries on the biblical text or seperate religious works; I mean especially the Talmud, the Mischna, and the medieval code of laws, Schulchan Arukh. The Talmudic writings are the work of man; they were not prompted by the Spirit of God. It is only the sacred writings of pre-Christian Judaism, not the Talmud, that the Church of the New Testament has accepted as her inheritance.

Thirdly, we must distinguish in the Old Testament Bible itself between what had only transitory value and what had permanent value. the long genealogies had value in ancient times, but their value was not permanent; similarily the numerous regulations for the ancient sacrifices and cermonial cleansings. For the purpose of our subject we are concerned only with those religious, ethical, and social values of the Old Testament which remain as values also fro Christianity....

Let us venerate the Scriptures of the Old Testament! We do not set the Old Testament and the New on the same level. the Sacred Scriptures of the New Testament, the Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles, and the Apocalypse must hold the place of honor. But the Scriptures of the Old Testament are also inspired, and therefore they are sacred books, precious stones for the building of God's kingdom, priceless values for our religious guidance.. And therefore the Church has stretched forth her protecting hand over the Scriptures of the Old Testament; she had gathered together the forty-five books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven books of the New Testament into one volume, and she has used the text of the Old Testament also in her liturgy. By accepting these books Christianity does not become a Jewish religion. These books not composed by Jews; they are inspired by the Holy Ghost, and therefore they are the word of God, they are God's books. The writers of them were God's pencils, the Pslam-singers were harps in the hand of God, the prophets were announcers of God's revelation. It is for this reason that the Scriptures of the Old Testament are worthy of credence and veneration for all time. Antagonism to the Jews of today must not be extended to the books of pre-Christian Judaism.

In the New Testament, in the Epistle to the Hebrews (ch. 11), Abel, Enoch, and other figures of Old Testament history are held up as models of faith to be imitated by Christians. St. Francis of Assisi once picked up a scrap of paper from the ground. "Let no man tread this under foot," he said, "for the name of God can be written thereon." Let no man trample under foot the Sacred Scriptures of the Old Testament; for the name of God is written there. Cardinal Manning once said to the Jews: "I should not understand my own religion, had I no reverence for yours."

Let us venerate the Scriptures of the Old Testament! And let us not allow Bible history to be abolished in our schools! These biblical stories have a great educational value in the school, so long as they are well selected and told in attractive language, and if the teacher knows how to make them live.

Side by side with the Bible there is a secong source of revelation, the Tradition of the Church. Side by side with the Book stand the living teacher, the authority of the Church. Besides the good pasture stands the good architect. Therefore the anti-Moses movement does not affect us Catholics so vitally as our seperated brethern, who regard the Bible as the sole foundation of their faith. To these seperated brethern we stretch forth our hand to make common cause with them in defense of the sacred books of the Old Testament, so that we may save them for the German nation and preserve this precious treasury of doctrine for the Church schools...

From the Church's point of view there is no objection whatever to racial research and race culture. Nor is there any objection to the endeavor to keep national characteristics of a people as far as possible pure and unadulterated, and to foster their national spirit by emphasis upon the common ties of blood to unite them. From the Church's point of view we must make only three conditions: First, love of ones race must not lead to the hatred of other nations. Secondly, the individual must never consider himself freed from of nourishing his own soul by presevering use of the means of grace which the Church provides. The young man who is always hearing about the blessedness of his own race is apt too easily to conceive that he is no longer bound by duties to God and His Church, duties to humility and chastity. Thirdly, race culture must not assume an attitude of hostility to Christianity. What are we to say of the monstrous contention that Christianity - especially because it is burdened with Old Testament ideas - is not adapted to the genius of the nation, and that therefore it is an obstacle in the way of the national consciousness?

What is the relation of Christianity to the German race? Race and Christianity are not mutally opposed, but they do belong to different orders. Race is of the natural order; Christianity is a revealed religion and therefore of the supernatural order. Race means union with the nation; Christianity means primarily union with God. Race is nationally inclusive and exclusive; Christianity is a world-wide message of salvation for all nations. The concepts of revelation and redemption, of supernature and grace must not be watered down. The fourth gospel makes a distinction between those who are born of blood and those who are born of God (John i, 13). Christ also clearly distinguished between what flesh and blood had revealed and what was revealed by the Father in heaven( Matt. xvi, 17 foll.). We are Christians not because we are born of Christian parents; we are Christians because after our birth we were reborn and made a new creature by baptism in Christ(2 Cor. xv, 17).

No nation ever insisted more on race and ties of blood than the Israelites of the Old Testament. But in the fullness of time the dogma of race was eclipsed by the dogma of faith. Around the cradle of Bethlehem there were Jews and pagans, shepherds from the land of Juda and wise men from the East. In this kingdom of this Child, according to the words of His Apostle, "there is no distinction of the Jew and the Greek, for the same is Lord over all" (Rom. x, 12)

What is the relation of Christianity to the German race? The Christian. so long as he observes the above conditions, is not forbidden to stand up for his race and for its rights. It is possible, therefore, without divided allegiance, to be an upright German and at the same time an upright Christian. Hence there is no need to turn our backs upon Christianity and to set up a Nordic or Germanic religion, in order to profess our nationality. But we must never forget: we are not redeemed with German blood. We are redeemed with the Precious Blood of our crucified Lord (1 Pet. i,9). There is no other name and no other blood under Heaven, in which we can be saved, but the name and blood of Christ.


From His Eminence Cardinal Faulhaber, Judaism, Christianity, and Germany: Advent Sermons Preached in St. Michaels, Munich, in 1993, translated by Rev. George D. Smith(London: Burns, Oates and Washbourne, Ltd., 1934), pp 1-6, 13-16, 107-110.

Good job, Don, it was my read for tonight.

Fairly clear why Germany lost the war now. Did you catch this:

Race means union with the nation; Christianity means primarily union with God. Race is nationally inclusive and exclusive; Christianity is a world-wide message of salvation for all nations....

This begs for schizophrenia. Once you make your union with the nation you better not have anything left over for anything else or you're cheating your people.

At the same time, if the Hebrew god is supposed to be universal, there's no way you can stint here either.

This division, so well-put in 1933, did it's magic real well in the next dozen years or so: Anyone who took it seriously would be perfectly divided against himself. You can't hold two loyalties like that.

Nowadays it would be worse because there is not one mainstream church that does not accept the idea that race is a fiction.

All the same it's interesting to read and likely to promote good responses from the thoughtful. If that was your point, good job.

Fairly clear why Germany lost the war now.

Yes it was worn down in a war of attriction. Germanic paganism as practiced by the Waffen-SS(oops sorry, the vast majority of the SS soldiers were Catholic as Himmler admitted) did not save Germany.


Once you make your union with the nation you better not have anything left over for anything else or you're cheating your people.
ROTFL! You're so full of shit!

This division, so well-put in 1933, did it's magic real well in the next dozen years or so: Anyone who took it seriously would be perfectly divided against himself. You can't hold two loyalties like that.

Actually you can. Indeed many of the NS leadership themselves were Christians. God created the races and nations and they play an important role in God's plans for humanity. Indeed the nations are eternal for they exist even after the second coming of Christ.


Nowadays it would be worse because there is not one mainstream church that does not accept the idea that race is a fiction.

The Orthodox Church accepts the notion of race and even publically condemns the practice of race-mixing. :rolleyes:


All the same it's interesting to read and likely to promote good responses from the thoughtful. If that was your point, good job.

No more like the ramblings from a jackass who know nothing about theology. You prove the Book of Proverbs correct when it states that "wisdom is too high for a fool to understand".

Never better said!


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You idiots obviously didn't even read the whole thing. :rolleyes:


Race and Christianity are not mutally opposed, but they do belong to different orders. Race is of the natural order; Christianity is a revealed religion and therefore of the supernatural order.

Excellent post, Don Cossack. "Race and Christianity are not mutally opposed, but they do belong to different orders. Race is of the natural order; Christianity is a revealed religion and therefore of the supernatural order. Race means union with the nation; Christianity means primarily union with God." The human being is a natural entity; his soul is supernatural. There's no contradition here between the love of one's race and culture and the God who set the whole of history in motion.

What most atheist and pagan White Nationalists fail to perceive is the role of the jew in the unfolding of evil in the world. Christ came through Juda (the Lion of Juda!) to destroy the anti-God jew. What historical significance would there have been if Christ had been born in the Black Forest or on the Arran Island? He'd be "white," but historically irrelevant- including His relevance in Salvation History. The battle in this world is good against evil. Christianity represents the rejection of the pseudo-religion of the jew- who is born of the Satan and nourishes the anti-Christ. The jew is the son of Satan, whom we need to defeat in ourselves and in our world because he is a constant threat against the interests and patrimony of our race.
MacDiarmid
Ne obliviscaris!
(Forget not!)

What most atheist and pagan White Nationalists fail to perceive is the role of the jew in the unfolding of evil in the world. Christ came through Juda (the Lion of Juda!) to destroy the anti-God jew. What historical significance would there have been if Christ had been born in the Black Forest or on the Arran Island? He'd be "white," but historically irrelevant- including His relevance in Salvation History. The battle in this world is good against evil. Christianity represents the rejection of the pseudo-religion of the jew- who is born of the Satan and nourishes the anti-Christ. The jew is the son of Satan, whom we need to defeat in ourselves and in our world because he is a constant threat against the interests and patrimony of our race.
MacDiarmid
Ne obliviscaris!
(Forget not!)

Thank you MacDiarmid.


"The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross...."
--Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/giftpilz/scan14.jpg

"Children, look there! The Man who hangs on the Cross was one of the greatest enemies of the Jews of all time. He knew the Jews in all their corruption and meanness. Once He drove the Jews out with a whip, because they were carrying on their money-dealings in the Church. He called the Jews: killers of men from the beginning. By that He meant that the Jews in all times have been murderers. He said further to the Jews: Your father is the Devil! Do you know, children, what that means? It means that the Jews descend from the Devil. And because they descend from the Devil they can but live like devils. So they commit one crime after another.'
Because this Man knew the Jews, because He proclaimed the truth to the world, he had to die. Hence the Jews murdered Him. They drove nails through His hands and feet and let Him slowly bleed. In such a horrible way the Jews took their revenge. And in a similar way they have killed many others who had the courage to tell the truth about the Jews. Always remember these things, children. When you see the Cross, think of the terrible murder by the Jews on Golgotha. Remember that the Jews are children of the Devil and human murderers."

You prove the Book of Proverbs correct when it states that "wisdom is too high for a fool to understand".

Which I always thought was an odd point from a Hebrew book containing no wisdom.

I have no time to go round & round so I'll be as polite saying goodbye to you as I was to welcome you, along with noting that your ability to repay politeness with insult is unworthy among white men. I'll continue to be charitable and assume you are not, therefore, white.

But if you really are a white christian:

Every once in awhile one of you to makes me proud to be a pagan, and I thank you for the boost this morning.

I have no time to go round & round so I'll be as polite saying goodbye to you as I was to welcome you, along with noting that your ability to repay politeness with insult is unworthy among white men. I'll continue to be charitable and assume you are not, therefore, white.

LOL! Assume whatever you want. I am white and whether you believe it or not is totally irrelevant and does not concern me the least. You have not seen a picture of me, so your assumption that Im not white has no basis and further proves your limited thinking capacities. And the fact you're pissed about my remarks is highly laughable because I've read FAR WORSE remarks made about Christianity here.


But if you really are a white christian:

Every once in awhile one of you to makes me proud to be a pagan, and I thank you for the boost this morning.

As if I care what you do in your life. Im not at all concerned with converting you or anybody to Christianity. Whether you choose to accept Christ is your problem and will come about through your own free will; as it was for me when I was once both a pagan and then an atheist. I'm merely interested in countering the lies and cheap-shots you pagans and other anti-Christians through at the faith.

I'm merely interested in countering the lies and cheap-shots you pagans and other anti-Christians through at the faith.

Don Congoid,

We are not on the same planet, are we?

Go back to my reply to your article and note not one insult of any kind came from me; it was fair commentary on the article which you posted. And also note I treated you as a kinsman and with respect.

Now for the ravings of a bonehead wigger, see your reply to me.

If you can't act white on a white forum, what good are you anywhere?

Hope you're a good xian, Don Congoid. You'll never be a white man.

I'm merely interested in countering the lies and cheap-shots you pagans and other anti-Christians through at the faith.

Good response. The only question I have is, why bother? Kick the dust from your feet and move on. Your initial post was excellent.

Let those who want to provoke you fall by the wayside. They've already gotten you involved in the circular argument that leads nowhere. Let them howl at the moon or pray to their gods that are no more than reflections of themselves in the puddle of their narcissistic emptiness.

They are either: 1) precocious young kids or college students with more leisure time than they should have; 2) dabblers who soon will move onto their next fad; 3) emotional defectives who rage at Christians because they've somehow wronged; or 4) police agents whose purpose is to provoke and lead people to anger, frustration, and acts inimical to the White Mission: restoration of the White Culture and Religion. Choose your battles wisely, my friend... and shake the dust from your feet!

MacDiarmid
Ne obliviscaris!!
Deus vult!

[QUOTE=Don Cossack]Here is a 1933 sermon by Cardinal Faulhaber...

Don,
Thank you for spending your time providing us with this historical document. Below is a quote that relays the trechery that continued by the jews on the Germans through the 1930's. It is jews who bring on their own misfortune.

"The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish community, on every conference, in all labor unions and by every single Jew in the world. There are reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is of general importance. We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation, and to recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany..." (Valadimir Jabotinsky, in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934)

I am technically agnostic, but nonetheless interested in the pros and cons of christianity.

Thanks for taking the time to post this interesting historical document.

Here is a 1933 sermon by Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich on the relationship between Judaism, Christianity, and racial/national pride(in this case Germany specifically). You people better enjoy it, I spent an hour typing this thing out and please pardon any errors I made.