I have a lot to say, but let me start with this. Hal Turner is an idiot. His show, and others like him have created the basket of nutcase radicals that "they" can throw anyone who shares his views into. For example - say Congressman Joe wants to end affirmative action - "they" will call his views "nazi", "white supremacist", etc., and it will not look good on him, why? Because nazi and white supremacist dont look good in the political world, and he shares this view. This is why noone in politics sticks up for the white race like they do others. Any special interest in favor of us will immediately wear these labels which are very accurate for some of us. Hate groups, and advocates are the perfect tool for those who want to block change. We are creating the very labels they use against our interests and anyone who share white goals and advancement. This leaves them wide open to advance their own race or creed without us in the way - because, again, anyone in the political arena who sides with us will be immediately labeled ..

Who in public office is going to want to be seen to favor, or even be associated with by common goals, a group of people who advocate violence and hate? It would be political suicide for them. Most of the people controlling this country are white. The majority of the citizens are white - yet for some reason, "white advocates" are the smallest interest group in the nation. Has noone realized there is a reason for this? Its the negativity. Its the hate. Its things that can lose in a court of law.

I have a solution.

First we have to think about how this happened. Its pretty simple really. Under the premise of "under privileged" and "challenged", everyone but the white male has gained special considerations, grants and rights from the US government. Now, considering that any special interest group that has ever cried "help" now has these enhanced advantages, they are all on a level playing field.. everyone except the white male. The true result is disadvantaging us. This is how they are taking our nation away from us. Its obvious why illegal latinos are treated different from illegals from other countries, because they have legitimate special interest groups who are not associated with hate and violence.

Now how to fix this. First off, the hate and violence advocates have to be put on a shelf, silenced until needed. And, when needed, they dont come out making ridiculous public threats, pulling negative attention our way - they just act. "The Movement" should be called something besides "Nazi" or "Supremacist". "White Social Reform Movement" or something similar would be much more appealing to a wider range of people. Remember - the majority of people fall into our "group", ethnically speaking, but the majority of people are totally turned off by hate and radicals like Hal wackjob Turner. Now the approach - first a campaign about the "under privileged white kids" in inner cities to counter the talk of under privileged blacks. People need to realize that their own race is in the same peril as any other. Poverty, addiction, and violence are not exclusive to blacks and hispanics - and this needs to be brought to light. Every special interest (minority) group campaign they start needs to be countered. Next attack the infrastructure of special privileged. Start a college fund for only white kids. Sure, people will cry "racist!", but when they do, you point at the United Negro College Fund. "They can do it, so can we". Sure there will be law suits, accusations, etc., but its win-win either way. Either you will end up with a white-only fund which will counter theirs, or the precedent will be set in a court of law (when they say yours has to go), by which you can then counter attack theirs. Counter every "empowerment" tool they have in this fashion. If you do not manage to bring theirs down, at least you will have leveled the playing field by having white empowerment now in place. Quite simply - violence will NOT bring down their established advantages over us, it will simply re-victimize them and bring more people to their aid; however, undermining them WILL.

If they make a 2 hour TV show about "blacks in history", get together and do a month long coverage, if even only on the web, about the achievements of the white race. If they do a special about the "inner city blight of the black people", well do one about white kids who are stuck in the inner cities dealing with not only poverty but also the violence and drug dealers of the black inner city kids. Counter their every move - make some advocacy moves of our own...

Once some of the private institutions, campaigns, etc of theirs have been effectively attacked, and you have become a institution, rather than looking like a "hate group", its time to counter some of the government sponsored racism. Affirmative action is the new target. For example, US goverment contracts are quite often intentionally awarded to only companies with "minority" ownership. What sucks about the term minority is, that now that they have all been equally empowered, it is effectively ALL of them, opposing us,, which makes us the minority. OK, so the counter. This will only be a symbolic action, but it will cause ripples across the country if it can be pulled off. Get contractors to side with you. Get white owned private contractors to only hire companies with white ownership. Again, this will be challenged. Their challenge can be answered quite easily - we are re-empowering our race after generations of being disadvantaged by laws. "if we cant do it, they cant either. I will not hire them until the playing field is level". You guys speak of what would happen if the masses got together and took action, well this is the first and best approach. Take BACK the empowerment, undermine theirs.

But this can never happen under a veil of hate and violence. Very few truly powerful people will ever want to be associated with a hate group and this movement will/would need supporters. so instead of hating others, become a "peaceful advocate" of your own race. This is the ONLY way to permanently become a power again. I am not saying get rid of the guns and violence completely, there is a time and place for everything; but closet the hatred - publicly denounce it while working to ADVANCE ourselves.

Like martin luther told his people, its going to be a hard long road, but it WILL work... and it did. It can work for whites too, if a the same approach is taken. If media, politicians, and other organizations receive floods of mails and calls about "Why is everyone else's blight being covered, while totally ignoring the fact that whites have all the same problems?", people will have to start listening.

Unfortunately I can do nothing but ponder on the problems of these days, and I cannot offer resource or leadership to take on these challenges, but I can see whats wrong and what would work better. Maybe someone will read my words and realize that there IS a more effective method than advocating hatred. These things can only be done by a global change in the white activist methodology. Supporters are needed and as long as they would be supporting hate groups, they will not come.... Its up to everyone of us to make the changes we want, instead of blogging forums on the 'net and beating up a negro on the corner; instead we, as the white race should be using their own tactics against them.

I know that most of you will probably ridicule me, but posting my views may in some way affect someone, somewhere who can and will take some steps to really change our great nation.

You are obviously a newbie. We are not going to get out of this without violence. The longer it takes for white people to realize this the more violent will have to be the opposition in order to gain change.

What is required for the mere survival of our race? White living spaces. How are those to be created and enforced? Consider it and you will begin to see why our message is so unpopular, but without these requirements our race is as dead as a dodo.

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow

For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow

Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

~The Hollow Men, T. S. Eliot (1925)

The Jews try to identify us as haters, in reality we are educators.

True there are jewish instigators, pretending to be white, who are the worse spewers of hate the world has ever seen.

Those instigators need to be accurately identified as Jews, not whites.

The whole concept of institutionalized "hate" comes from Jewish Religion.

It is the Jews who are trying to shift the blame from them to us.

A perfect example is the current wave of Jewish produced Child pornography and pedophilia that is being used to alter the politcal climate in America.

The jews profit from the production and distribution of the sexually perverted filth, then they try to generally demonize all white males as being the "Evil Ones" after a "particular few" that the jews have blackmailed, baited, and set-up, receive massive media attention from the Jewish dominated news media.

Any person who does their homework on this matter will reasonably come to the conclusion that it's the jews who are responisble for this attack on our country and specifically our people.

We are not going to get out of this without violence.


Don't forget hating blacks and Christians. Very important.

The jews hate that.

If it takes some hating for some so be it. As for Christians, CI appears to be the only one that even comes close to a non-one-world-order of culturicide and genocide. I don't imagine many jumping to the CI ship so Christianity should die so we as a race don't. Simple equation.

BTW: Logical deductions != hate

There is a major flaw in your thesis: the assumption that all these movements were fighting a government hostile to them, and that they brought about these "social revolutions" by themselves. They weren't. They didn't. And that's that.

I don't hear anything useful being said; no actual strategy and tactics, only banal phrases like "violence advocates have to be put on a shelf", "working to advance ourselves" or "take back the empowerment, undermine theirs". How? Who? Who's "we"? Don't blame yourself. It's how "White Nationalists" talk.

If it takes some hating for some so be it.



Violence and hate did not seem to help the real Christian Nazis in WWII Germany.

Nazis have been smacked down, nearly exterminated. I read that descendant of Nazis have abortions rather than have the chance of raising a Hitler.

Logical deduction =! Let us try it again. ???



As for Christians, CI appears to be the only one that even comes close to a non-one-world-order of culturicide and genocide. I don't imagine many jumping to the CI ship so Christianity should die so we as a race don't. Simple equation.



I read some CI. God wants us whites to hate blacks. (Some of their interpretations of the Bible and race mixing are interesting.) Different shaped heads and more melatonin on the skin therefore blacks are beasts of the field. There are 38 million blacks in the usa. Whites had some bad experiences with some of insane criminal blacks therefore whites must hate all of them.

But I was correct though. It is important to hate blacks.

I guess it is not important to hate Christians. Christians will die off. I agree that Christians are a suicide cult if you believe the Christian bureacracy.

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Nope logically considering that the German nazis hate and violence tactics didn't work your violence plan does not "deduce".

Taking out the jew for argument sake I bet you could carve out a black and white USA. Most blacks would welcome it. Some would not. I need more convincing on this call to violence.

Your both right.

All your ideas have great merit,now go put them into action.

Violence is a tool,used effectively it may aid,use ineffectively it will injure.

Whatever YOU do in ANY way to advance the White race is always appreciated.

Just try to up the anti occasionally and do just a little more.Move a little further forward......away from the safety of neutrality.:cool:
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Violence and hate did not seem to help the real Christian Nazis in WWII Germany.
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"Nazis have been smacked down, nearly exterminated. I read that descendant of Nazis have abortions rather than have the chance of raising a Hitler"

I am such of which you speak,and actually just the opponent is true.
Real German Nationalist of the WWII never heard the words "Nazis" come from their friends or family.

At war's end there was NO shame what so ever connected with having been in the German military.THAT is a American/British post war piece of propaganda.This tiny fragment of an idea was reworked over and over again through out the past six decades in a continual media attempt to demoralize the REAL ideals for which the REAL German Nationals Socialist stood.Unity,health, strength,stability,pride and trust.

The "hate" design was/is a popular Hollywood myth,created to demonise the National Socialist Party,just as the Democrats and republicans do today.Read or listen to any speech from Adolf Hitler,Dr Joseph Goebbels. Hermann Goering, Martin Bormann or Heinrich Himmler and you will hear national pride,affection,Honor and love.Blame and distrust of the Jews .certainly,but not the hate portrayed in todays Nazi fiction.

Look at the picture on the left.A Lebensborn baby , abortion was NEVER an option.

Well Donger, judging by the way you frame your arguments and your world-view VNNF really isn't the place for you. I don't post on Stormfront, nor do I post on the AmRen or BNP sites, because I don't share their outlook. If I did post on there I would only be disruptive and what is the point of that? I'd rather be for than against and amongst birds of a feather.That is why I post here on VNNF. I share its basic outlook.

If you continue to post here often I shall consider you do so out of a need to be disruptive and that shall mark you out as someone who it is best to avoid, here, there and everywhere. I just don't like those kind of people who just like to be amongst people different than themselves so they can feel themselves to be special and fighting some sort of "good fight" to turn us to their line of thinking. I don't share it sorry and at the moment our numbers are too small anyway for your kind of "battle" to be anything but an indication of your folly.

Have fun at AmRen or where ever else you find more suitable place for your views. I hope you and your fellow ideologues are successful, though I think you shan't be, which is why I post here.

If you continue to post here often I shall consider you do so out of a need to be disruptive and that shall mark you out as someone who it is best to avoid, here, there and everywhere.



I wear the mark of a powerless, violence inciting, and Christ hating negro fetishist as a badge of honor.

just saying. Although if you needed something I would help you.
Curious isn't it?

@ SOS Actually I think the real Nazis fought a good fight.

It is the modern nano Nazis that need work. I beginning to think that Revilo and Pierce were Jewish cartoon characters invented to drive the final nails into the Nazi corpse - killing off the moral compass of religion and an economic organization.

Pierce - starving lone wolves <roll eyes> - pulp fiction, skinheads

real Nazis - respect for religion and wolfpacks - BMWs, V-2s, volkswagens, ME-262s, autobahns etc.

Well, for the sake of challenging the claims that I am so wrong ... if the consensus is that violence is the way things will be done, then why is everyone idly talking shit and not acting? Supposedly everyone knows what needs to be done, everyone agrees is should be done, so why is no one *doing* ?

I think deep down, past the pure anger and hatred you probably know that there are better ways to, at least initially, attack these issues ... or else people would be in motion already.

Talking violence on a message board is the opposite of actually doing it. If you talk about it on this board, you would be stupid to then commit anything, as you've created a trail of evidence against yourself.

You see the distinction?

Telling people not to talk tough on a message board doesn't make one a pacifist; it just makes one savvy about the legal system.

I think deep down, past the pure anger and hatred you probably know that there are better ways to, at least initially, attack these issues ... or else people would be in motion already.

"pure anger and hatred" sounds like it comes from our enemies not our friends. Cold, cool thinking wins the day. Never mistake rhetoric for anything but rhetoric. Like I said you are a newbie else you would know just how little anger and hatred there is here. Like someone else said, if you want unmitigated hatred and anger, have a look at the nigger and jew. Love and friendship seem very far away from them and their opposites very much motivating forces. Failure to understand that, wilfully or otherwise, is your problem not mine.

johnnyb

Actually a very good post. Don't let these internet "lone wolves" discourage you. Can you imagine introducing a family member or friend to this simple minded creature?

That giant sucking sound is a skilled enemy leeching our money away for their empire. Money that could be used for a cure for these broken minds.

Remember: Hate is a serotonin constuct.

Not quite sure what you are yammering about Donger. From what I understand VNN is trying to build media, to promote local blogs and just healthy living that takes you off the jew grid. From that, once the electronic camp-fire is build, communities can be formed and informed. You seem to be stuck in some kind of fixed idea concerning the way things are heading which blinds you to any new avenues others maybe exploring, or any new pathways to advancement that you personally might make. That just leaves you slagging off others. That is rather sad.

edited out hate troll :)

Happy MLK day Ctlooth

* When we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" *

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!

But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, When we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

Yeah, there is going to be violence. He mentioned MLK but failed to mention the Watt riots and jewish support, nor did he mention the goal for which they strived was degenerative, not recuprative. So yeah, how did America become 90% white at some stage? Non-violent protests I suppose.

Everything is a preparation for battle. Do you think a civil rights movement (which is based upon the idea of equality) for white people is ever going to fly and save our race from being mixed out of existence or being out-bred? Do you think the coloureds are going to give away anything they have had handed to them without some form of threat of eventual force?

You belong at AmRen, Stormfront or something. VNN is for grownups unafraid to face the harsh realities of existence. And the bottom line in any conflict is force and the willingness to use it. Without that your just playing tiddlywinks.

And sorry to hear you have a problem with alcohol. Give it up and perhaps you can regain your focus.