I regret to announce that Net Access Corporation (NAC) of Parisppany, NJ invoked the "network protection" clause of my server colocation contract, and terminated all services to me last night.

They took this action because my server was the target of yet another large denial of service attack on Wednesday evening, which affected not only my server, but many other customers in the NAC data center.

I am looking for a new data center to house my server. As soon as I can get that done, my sites and all the sites I host will be back on line. I expect everything to be restored not later than Monday.

Hal Turner

ITT: Hal's diary

Don't bother Hal. You're a complete and total joke with nothing to offer this thing of ours.

You're as bad as the kiddie fiddlers within Stormfront and you are, quite realistically, an unbelievable figure. Go away. Leave us alone. Take a hike. Hit the road Jack and don't ya come back no more.

K
nwhomeland.blogspot.com - for real white leadership

I dunno, Hal did pull off the Kingston rally. Most of us told him that if he would stick to constructive things like that we would all like him a lot better.

Keep us posted Hal. Let me know if I can help. You have my home email.

ANy idea which center you can use Hal?

NAC from the pics, seems like it was 5 star hotel.

Yes Hal, keep us posted. Nobody and I mean nobody tells the truth on the Niggers and other Shit skin Mongrels any better than you do.

So... how much money do you need from your supporters this time?
I'm sure a few grand will allow you to find a new service provider, right?

You know what Hal? Anyone dumb enough to send money to a shitbag like you deserves to be ripped off. Fuck you and all your fans.

Hal Turner is a cheerleader for the white race. And God knows we can use all the cheerleaders we can get to fight the filthy kikes. Some have infiltrated this forum, funny how they find the time to do so. Look, I don't spend my time on kike sites posting insults. But then again, I don't change my name to hide my identity like the pathetic kikes do.

Hal is useful.

ngrh8r should change to nigger lover...

Yes, Hal. Keep us posted. You are totally the voice of the common man and you devote much time and energy to what you do. Thank you and we will be standing by.

Hey Hal, nice last show, 30 minutes of you whining on how butthurt you were by anonymous, then cut off. Good job!

ngrh8r should change to nigger lover...

Just curious Mr. Zzdiesel, what evidence do you have to support your contention that Mr. Ngrh8r is, in fact, a nigger lover?
Are you personally aquatinted with the man?
Or, do I mis-read you and should therefore take it that you believe a
genuine transition to multicultural thinking is recommended for him by
you? If so, why?

I would stand by Hal's side at anytime, in fact I have and we all had a hell of a time fucking with the dirt jew. Hal is doer and not just some typist on the internet.

The internet is good and wakes up a lot of folks but getting out in the streets is a total rush getting people to wake the hell up in person.

What about the law Hal? Are they doing anything to help you out?

Hal, you would have been HUGE back in the days of vaudeville! HUGE!!!!

So... how much money do you need from your supporters this time?
I'm sure a few grand will allow you to find a new service provider, right?

You know what Hal? Anyone dumb enough to send money to a shitbag like you deserves to be ripped off. Fuck you and all your fans.

I'm amazed he hasn't started begging for donations to his "legal fund" yet. 1,000 sub-poenas would cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions. First there's the cost of the US Marshalls, then there's the cost charged by the ISPs to retrieve customer records. The last time I read the statistics, the RIAA and MPAA wound up paying at least $250 per sub-poena, and oft times they would have to pay quite a bit more as the ISPs refused to give up the information of paying customers from the first one or two issued.

zzdiesel is none other than Steve Holsten, the resident pedophile of NIM Busters.

http://img16.exs.cx/img16/8245/sholstenvip1net.jpg

Steve Holsten also believes the age of consent for sex with girls should be lowered or eliminated. He has also said he would fuck a 14 year old girl if she threw herself at him.

His son, Chris, is currently facing pedophile charges in Kennett, Missouri during an internet sting that took place there a few months ago. It runs in the family.

Hal Turner and Michael Blevins have for years known about Steve Holsten's pedophilia and have remained silent.

I'm amazed he hasn't started begging for donations to his "legal fund" yet. 1,000 sub-poenas would cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions. First there's the cost of the US Marshalls, then there's the cost charged by the ISPs to retrieve customer records. The last time I read the statistics, the RIAA and MPAA wound up paying at least $250 per sub-poena, and oft times they would have to pay quite a bit more as the ISPs refused to give up the information of paying customers from the first one or two issued.

Because someone has John Doe(s) 1-1000 doesn't mean they will actually issue that many subpoenas. It allows one to issue up to that amount.

Issuing a subpoena includes service by the authorities and it doesn't cost an outrageous amount. Subpoenaes for documents (such as address records and personal identification) don't cost $250 either - you pay a flat nominal service fee plus whatever it cost them to copy the information. A bill comes with the documents for the per page cost or they send you a bill, you pay the bill, they send the documents.

Not many people ignore federal subpoenas or even subpoenas issued at the state level. If you did, how would you know when the service agent showed up at your door the second time if it would be a second subpoena or an arrest warrant?

Because someone has John Doe(s) 1-1000 doesn't mean they will actually issue that many subpoenas. It allows one to issue up to that amount.

Issuing a subpoena includes service by the authorities and it doesn't cost an outrageous amount. Subpoenaes for documents (such as address records and personal identification) don't cost $250 either - you pay a flat nominal service fee plus whatever it cost them to copy the information. A bill comes with the documents for the per page cost or they send you a bill, you pay the bill, they send the documents.

Not many people ignore federal subpoenas or even subpoenas issued at the state level. If you did, how would you know when the service agent showed up at your door the second time if it would be a second subpoena or an arrest warrant?


I can't wait to see the list of names and addresses of the people who were involved. :)


-Jim

Just curious Mr. Zzdiesel, what evidence do you have to support your contention that Mr. Ngrh8r is, in fact, a nigger lover?
Are you personally aquatinted with the man?
Or, do I mis-read you and should therefore take it that you believe a
genuine transition to multicultural thinking is recommended for him by
you? If so, why?

No, I don't know him and don't care to. He seems to be a Jewboy Anti. A real racially aware White man wouldn't put down Hal Turner the way this guy does.

Ehm if I read things right most of Hal's case was thrown out by the judge. Hell only the copyright infringement issue is left standing and I don't see how you can proof that.

Also Hal lies to his fans/everyone all the goddamn time. Seriously why do people still give their money to him. Idiots.

No, I don't know him and don't care to. He seems to be a Jewboy Anti. A real racially aware White man wouldn't put down Hal Turner the way this guy does.

Any sane white person should put down Hal the way that guy does. I am thinking the only reason Hal even is for the WN cause is to get money from gullible people.

No, I don't know him and don't care to. He seems to be a Jewboy Anti. A real racially aware White man wouldn't put down Hal Turner the way this guy does.

I don't know how many miles you've put on that diesel of yours,
but I can tell you've yet to make it around the block.

GIMME MONIES !

I have to admit, it is cool to listen to you, hal, i even have about 15 saved shoutcasts which i told winamp to record so i can listen to them when i feel like it.

BUT, yes there's a but, while i'm in europe and didn't see any need to send money to you, your constant whining for money and "threats" about leaving the net and your show because "oh my goad!, no donation!" have pissed me.

Your last comment was even more ridiculous. "Oh yeah i'm happy half of the listeners are gone, they're idiots!".

Now, i've been working on computers for 15 years now. Don't you come and call people idiots because YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WINAMP DOESN'T WORK ON REDIRECT MODE. You have to point the .PLS file DIRECTLY, NOT VIA A DATABASE QUERY !

As for the ddos, it is relatively easy for a mid-experienced user to return attacks to the sender or whatever target. The "robots.whatever" trick has been dead since 2001.

The most ridiculously basic rule is to instruct your server to ONLY ACCEPT A CONNECTION FROM THE SAME IP EVERY 1 OR 5 MINUTES. This is an option every management software has. If you couldn't even set that up, you deserve to be "ddossed".

Even more you claim the radio costs you money. I with some friends back in 2003 ran an underground warez radio thru winamp and shoutcast. We had average 1000 users per day. It cost us 0. NOTHING, except our upload bandwidth. The streaming was differed thru the shoutcast, who could handle the bandwidth charge. This whole "my radio costs money" is BULLSHIT and you know it.

I can't wait to see the list of names and addresses of the people who were involved. :)


-Jim

Too bad you'll never see them. You may as well just assume they're all Jews now, your brain is not capable of anything beyond that.

Also rednecks + computer security = instalulz

Can Anyone Pm Me A Password So I Can Listen To The Hall Turner Network Without Paying.

Too bad you'll never see them. You may as well just assume they're all Jews now, your brain is not capable of anything beyond that.

Also rednecks + computer security = instalulz

Speaking of security you are part of the 4chan 7chan crowd.

Speaking of security you are part of the 4chan 7chan crowd.

I'm from Jewbaums. I have no reason to be worried about my security as I have done nothing wrong.

Just wanted to make sure everyone knows where you are coming from. :D

Can Anyone Pm Me A Password So I Can Listen To The Hall Turner Network Without Paying.

No one can as his site is currently down. Also that would defeat the purpose, of having a section for paying members only. Which by Hals standards could put you somewhere between a federal lawsuit and a legitimate target for assassination depending on the day.

Just wanted to make sure everyone knows where you are coming from. :D

Clearly not here. I'm just a 3rd party onlooker more or less. Glad to see that you're all so serious it's a lot funnier this way.

Just curious Mr. Zzdiesel, what evidence do you have to support your contention that Mr. Ngrh8r is, in fact, a nigger lover?


Paul, I think it might be related to the ass-fucking I gave him a couple weeks back.
He's a black fellow, see, and he apparently assumed "love" was involved when I rammed my cock up his filthy tailpipe, thus making me a "nigger lover".
Have a little sympathy for the guy; he took it really hard when I didn't send flowers the next day. :D

Tell me this ngrh8r boy doesn't have issues...

Tell me this ngrh8r boy doesn't have issues...

Think so? Wait until you find out about the STDs I gave you.

Ehm if I read things right most of Hal's case was thrown out by the judge. Hell only the copyright infringement issue is left standing and I don't see how you can proof that.

I didn't check the federal docket today, but as of yesterday close of business the case still stands as originally filed. His restraining order was denied on technical grounds, but the case is going forward. Subpoenas and summons have been issued to the plaintiff in the usual manner.

The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they do grind away. I would really hate to be looking over my shoulder for the next five years or so wondering when my legal ticket was going to be punched. Tick tock.

Defense counsel does not come cheap and even if you try to file for bankruptcy to avoid payment of a judgment, it could be set aside by the bankruptcy court (meaning you still owe the judgment). Even if it the amount was reduced through bankruptcy, filing bankruptcy now takes more a toll on your overall financial well being. Non-secured debt cannot be completely erased as in the good old days.

Any reputable employer runs a credit check before hiring an employee because it is a proven fact that employees with good credit make better employees. Judgments show up once they have been perfected (recorded) with the recorder's office in the county the judgment was obtained. Those in need of student loans will be denied or pay an extraordinary rate of interest. Ditto with any type of credit. For minors involved, it will affect their parents in many additional ways - seizure of real property, bank accounts, etc. It is sad that many could not see past the moment. It will be a terrible price to pay.

Riiiiight...:rolleyes:

A man who claims to shoot niggers and openly claims to hate the jew is going to have a shot at legal action against some kids, whom the press will term as "anti-racist political activitists".

Count on it.

I'm sure knocking that crippled spic "war veteran" out of his wheelchair is going to help his case, too.

Oh, yeah; and there's the substantial amount of evidence that he hired
some of these punks to stir up sympathy(read: donations).

A man who claims to shoot niggers and openly claims to hate the jew is going to have a shot at legal action against some kids, whom the press will term as "anti-racist political activitists".

I'm sure knocking that crippled spic "war veteran" out of his wheelchair is going to help his case, too.

Oh, yeah; and there's the substantial amount of evidence that he hired
some of these punks to stir up sympathy(read: donations).

Well, I guess if you read it on the Internet, it must be true. No disinformation crowd here tonight.

Regardless of what the press says, the matter will be tried before a judge. Judges are impartial. If they aren't or they do anything foolish to pander the public sentiment, it will give rise to an appeal, recusal, etc. A high profile case will make sure that this matter is dealt with fairly and properly. Everytime one of you "anti-racists" jump up and shout about it, it makes a better case for Hal because you bring it into the public eye. Judicial error will not be a factor, I assure you.

Hal Turner does not have a legal action against kids. If minors are involved, he has an action against their parents. How many "kids" do you know that have their own telephone numbers, including cell phones, that aren't paid for by their parents. The biggest gripe I hear is he published the phone numbers of minors. Guess again, he published the phone numbers of the parents who had minor children who committed a crime.

As far as knocking someone out of a wheelchair, I urge you to go to the public record on this one. There was a complaint filed and adjudicated. Pull the record, get the facts. Even the press reported the case was dismissed and no mention of a wheelchair-bound veteran was involved ever. The press reported he was walking in front of Hal's residence. This matter is inconsequential to the federal case, will never be heard or allowed as evidence. It's just the way the law is written. But then again, if it was on the Internet ....

Every defendant will be give an opportunity to present the "substantial evidence" you speak of. It needs to be backed by factual record and credible witnesses, telephone records, etc. Without it, you have dust in the wind - buddies vouching for each other will soon be discredited by cold, hard facts. Youth is wasted on youth, or so the saying goes.

This is still, for the time being, America, where opinions can legally be heard and disseminated to the general public. People fought and died for that right for the past few centuries. Go talk to your grandfather if you think I'm kidding. If you don't look to your elders, you are really disconnected from what this country is all about. This is how courts generally rule on these matters: "We protect free speech not for those who hold common opinion, but for those who don't. They have a right to be heard." The PC crowd has no legal precedent in the right to freedom of speech and it's hardly likely it will be decided in this matter.

I was lucky to have a family that raised me to respect one common goal with others: "agree to disagree". Everyone has a right to their opinion. Even if heated discussions ensued, you didn't commit crimes to prove your point. You looked for a common ground in the discussion or you parted ways. Sadly, very many people will pay the price for their shortcomings in the coming years.

Judges are impartial.

That statement reveals you have no experience of courts.

That statement reveals you have no experience of courts.

Au contraire, misguided one. Au contraire. I deal with the courts on a daily basis.

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Regardless of what the press says, the matter will be tried before a judge. Judges are impartial.

Not every judge is corrupt, but most of them are.

Not every judge is corrupt, but most of them are.

Inept, maybe. Corrupt, no. Corruption is always exposed at some point in time. Ineptitude is an ongoing process, generally disrupted by retirement or being voted out of office (at a county level) and then the entire legal community rejoices. Corruption makes front page news. You don't see many judges being removed from the bench for corruption.

Ineptitude can be resolved through the appeal process. Too many appeals and a judge starts getting scrutinized. Perhaps not at the lower level, but at the federal level, it's an issue.

Inept, maybe. Corrupt, no. Corruption is always exposed at some point in time.

You are extremely naive.

Don't bother Hal. You're a complete and total joke with nothing to offer this thing of ours.

You're as bad as the kiddie fiddlers within Stormfront and you are, quite realistically, an unbelievable figure. Go away. Leave us alone. Take a hike. Hit the road Jack and don't ya come back no more.

K
nwhomeland.blogspot.com - for real white leadership

Really!
Hal has an Internet radio show that has an audience around the world that makes him the biggest white broadcaster on the planet.
Hal provides a vehicle for people in the white struggle all over the world.
What have you done for the race?
What have you done for the struggle?
I suspect that the answer is zip.
When you can match what Hal Turner has achieved, you will have an opinion that is worth listening to.

You are extremely naive.

Really? Enron, Arthur Andersen, Governor Thompson, Worldcomm, to name a few. Corruption exposed. None of the people running these entities were inept. Only corrupt.

You don't get to be a judge unless you've proven yourself loyal to the system and the system is corrupt to the core. If you had spent any time in a court room this would be self evident. There is incompetence as well but there is as much corruption and it's really difficult to tell them apart. Any time you have women and minorities sitting on the bench you're going to have incompetence and with blacks you're going to get both incompetence and corruption.

T

[QUOTE=OnThePathToTruth]You don't get to be a judge unless you've proven yourself loyal to the system and the system is corrupt to the core. /QUOTE]

How so? Can you cite examples of this judicial corruption? If everyone knows a judge is corrupt, at some level the information is getting out and the corruption is being exposed.

Money is what corrupts people. Wait. Not money, but love of money. I would really like to see the people who did this end up sued. If the system is corrupt, and it is, then so be it. But, the people who attack Hal's website are also attacking many other people's as well. It is my opinion that the courts would not be very pleased about the activities that are being perpetrated within those chat rooms. A Ddos attack is illegal. Seemingly, that is what they do for a sort of passtime. When you get into copywrites, things get complicated. It is not a minor thing to mess with copywritten matierial, which is what the suit states. Anyhow, I hope that we can do our best to unite through our struggles instead of divide. White unity pisses off the jew, so let's do that. :)

I've known Hal for quite a while, and I hate to disillusion his followers, but I'm going to tell you the truth:

Hal in person is nothing like his on air personality. He is a moderate conservative Republican with a flair for showmanship who has realized he can make a living playing "white nationalist mafioso" on the radio.

The Hal Turner you listen to is a character the real Hal Turner plays. His show -- including all the money making gags he pulls -- is theater.

Hal thinks this is harmless because he doesn't really believe all of you are suckered into believing anything he says is true. Plus. he enjoys playing a character much tougher than he really is. He doesn't realize the harm he does.

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. It's showmanship, but it's also the dissemination of information that Whites want to hear. If people were acting on what he said, there would be race war happening this very moment and a lot of people in Congress with very snappy necks. We understand what we're listening to. That doesn't give people the right to commit criminal activity against him, his family and his website. Most people would have buckled in this kind of pressure. He hasn't. That gives rise to strength of character.

[QUOTE=OnThePathToTruth]You don't get to be a judge unless you've proven yourself loyal to the system and the system is corrupt to the core. /QUOTE]

How so? Can you cite examples of this judicial corruption? If everyone knows a judge is corrupt, at some level the information is getting out and the corruption is being exposed.

Vastly differing definitions of the word 'corruption' here.

Unless you see yourself as a 'mole' and a subversive,
working inside the 'system' at any level is anti-White.
If you don't understand that, you're no different than the 99.9%
of all the rest of the un-enlightened white lemmings.

What information does he disseminate?

I'm not saying that people have the right to take down his website, but the fact is that if Hal really didn't want them to take down his site, he'd just go and fix the server. They attacked my website the same way -- and it took me all of forty five minutes in two sessions to stop them.

From knowing Hal, I can only conclude two things about this attack:

1) He is deliberately not stopping them, which originally seemed very plausible, and now seems less so; or,

2) He really is so technically incompetent and lacking desire to Google some instructions that he can't figure out how to stop them.

In the second case, its only plausible because I know Hal is both so obsessed with keeping his knowledge to himself that he would not let anyone else access his box, and so full of hubris he can't ask for help.

Hal is not facing a difficult or unusual technical problem, and his inability to fix it is either a lack of resources or a deliberate strategy.

And filing a lawsuit was either a ridiculous attention getter or a sincere effort, which, if the latter, was pathetic. Why not retain an attorney? Attorneys are not really that expensive.



You're not telling me anything I don't already know. It's showmanship, but it's also the dissemination of information that Whites want to hear. If people were acting on what he said, there would be race war happening this very moment and a lot of people in Congress with very snappy necks. We understand what we're listening to. That doesn't give people the right to commit criminal activity against him, his family and his website. Most people would have buckled in this kind of pressure. He hasn't. That gives rise to strength of character.

That gives rise to strength of character.

Strength of Character?!?!?!?!?! - Radioman?

You really are fucking ignorant.

[QUOTE=White Tumbleweed]

Vastly differing definitions of the word 'corruption' here.

Unless you see yourself as a 'mole' and a subversive,
working inside the 'system' at any level is anti-White.
If you don't understand that, you're no different than the 99.9%
of all the rest of the un-enlightened white lemmings.

I have heard comments like this for over 25 years and they are all based on the same theory: the legal and judicial system is corrupt and needs to be destroyed, but no one can point to any specific corruption. I certainly don't see anyone trying to destroy it either, subversive mole or otherwise.

Here's my understanding (and it's just my own lemming opinion): judges and lawyers must act within the boundaries of the laws as they exist at any given time. Lawyers for each side present a case and the judge decides based on law. Who makes the laws that adversely affect Whites? Congress. They pass the laws, make sure they are enforced and then make sure every state falls in line by threats of withholding federal funding to states that don't toe the line.

If you want to effect positive change, then you need to change Congress. I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate and running for office (at any level) or trying to make a difference. If you're not of the public servant ilk, start by exposing judges you think are corrupt. A wise man once told me, "Know your enemy." Get a list of the decisions this/these judge(s) make and look for flaws. Educate yourself about the law - statutes are online for every state. Look for embarrassing personal conduct that could expose him. If and when you find misconduct, report it with supporting documentation.

Yes, the legal community is self-policing, but attorneys get disbarred for misconduct every day in this country. Judges can be removed from the bench and they know it.

Quote: "Strength of Character?!?!?!?!?! - Radioman? You really are fucking ignorant."

Now, now. Behave. Didn't your mother ever teach you to place nice with the other children?

I've learned through the years that when people in the WN movement don't agree with you, they try to ridicule you and swear at you. Perhaps, if more WN's tried to find a common ground with those with differing opinions instead of trying to tear them down, Whites would be better off in society as a whole than they are. We all have something to offer: White pride being the basic common denominator. It's this pettiness that keeps us divided.

Keep up the good work.

[QUOTE=Paul Drake]

I have heard comments like this for over 25 years and they are all based on the same theory: the legal and judicial system is corrupt and needs to be destroyed, but no one can point to any specific corruption. I certainly don't see anyone trying to destroy it either, subversive mole or otherwise.


The reason so many white activists have such anger at the legal system is not because there really is so much corruption, but because there is so much white ignorance and inability when faced with legal issues.

Now, there is corruption in the legal system, and it is a factor in judgments, but corruption, like most forms of friction, is just another cost of doing business. The corruption in the judicial system -- as opposed to lawmaking -- is not so great that it keeps it from performing in a mostly adequate fashion.

One problem whites have when they go before a judge is that so many are guilty. People blow up buildings, shoot people, beat them up in the streets, and then wonder why they get sentenced to prison or jail -- that's not judicial corruption, that's the legal system functioning properly.

Second is that a lot of whites seem to get taken by lawyers. Typical legal fees, depending on area, are $500 - $1500 for a court not of record and $1000 - $2500 for an appearance in a court of record, often charged per appearance. I think I pay $2000 - $3000 for drafts of legal briefs from a brief writing service when I need them, and it can cost $3000 - $5000 to pay for an appearance before a Court of Appeals or a Supreme Court. Appearances before higher courts are prestige and attention builders for attorneys and, if you shop, some will beg for a chance to be able to handle such cases.

While these fees are substantial, given the amount of time most legal actions take, they can be spread out, and most lawyers will allow credit worthy clients payment terms.

Lawyers only demand large sums up front from clients whom they don't think are going to pay them or whose cases they don't want to touch -- the large demands for cash are designed to stop the client from retaining them -- and yet a lot of white activists think that is just what lawyers cost and then fork up the huge amounts demanded.

Third is that there is a lot of misinformation about the legal system that has been spread among the movement, both by "Patriot" and anti-tax type activists and other fruits. This kind of misinformation takes people who are gullible but arguably innocent and pushes them into ineffective defenses that essentially destroy them. The advocates of these theories then, inexplicably, blame "judicial corruption" to avoid a discussion of their own faulty legal theories.

I guess this would be good for Hal's lawsuit?


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[QUOTE=White Tumbleweed]

Vastly differing definitions of the word 'corruption' here.

Unless you see yourself as a 'mole' and a subversive,
working inside the 'system' at any level is anti-White.
If you don't understand that, you're no different than the 99.9%
of all the rest of the un-enlightened white lemmings.

Well said. If you're not in the system to subvert or gather info, you're PART of the system. Good one, Detective Drake.

I guess this would be good for Hal's lawsuit?





-Jim



Indeed! And predictably they've moved to another channel- 420. There are many things being done on their webpages that are highly quetionable and/or illegal. :eek:

They are harrassing ALOT of people. There are minors on their websites and alot the visual content is just wrong. I hope those people get hard jail time.:D

Indeed! And predictably they've moved to another channel- 420. There are many things being done on their webpages that are highly quetionable and illegal. :eek:

They are harrassing ALOT of people. There are minors on their websites and alot the visual content is just wrong. I hope those people get hard jail time.:D

With this kind of problem, if you really want to take it down, you need a lawyer and you need to go up the chain, past the co-loc, to the line provider or higher.

Richard Barrett -- that twerp from the Nationalist Movement -- has done this to me very effectively in the past, and I've had to get lawyers and the Mississippi Bar involved to settle him.

With this kind of problem, if you really want to take it down, you need a lawyer and you need to go up the chain, past the co-loc, to the line provider or higher.

Richard Barrett -- that twerp from the Nationalist Movement -- has done this to me very effectively in the past, and I've had to get lawyers and the Mississippi Bar involved to settle him.

I won't pretend to be an expert on statutes, but it shouldn't be too helpful to the persons being named in the suit when they have lude pictures (presumably of themselves) posted all over their chat rooms.
They have made so much misery for so many people. We know where the people who attacked Hal and other WNs came from. Their are possibly several dozens of other random websites that they've hit, too.
This is just all so terribly upsetting.

I won't pretend to be an expert on statutes, but it shouldn't be too helpful to the persons being named in the suit when they have lude pictures (presumably of themselves) posted all over their chat rooms.
They have made so much misery for so many people. We know where the people who attacked Hal and other WNs came from. Their are possibly several dozens of other random websites that they've hit, too.
This is just all so terribly upsetting.

We really don't know who, individually, attacked Hal. I'm sure Hal doesn't either. Their providers probably do, but, as has been pointed out, I'm not sure anyone has done anything criminal here by merely DDoS'ing him.

All a DDoS is is a lot of people requesting files that Hal has made accessible to the public. That's not a crime -- and its no different than a lot of people coming to the website because of, say, a news story.

Hal just needs to ban these goons -- and, again, I don't understand why he doesn't.

Hal just needs to ban these goons -- and, again, I don't understand why he doesn't.


Oh, you understand just fine, Bill. ;)

I'm not a fan of your political ideology, but your input here is quite useful.

I guess this would be good for Hal's lawsuit?





-Jim

Incase you haven't gotten the info, the whole case was thrown out and laughed at, except for the copywrite infringement part. Which nobody even knows why the hell thats even on there since Hal released all copywrite to the public, PLUS he has this on his site which give him no grounds to work with "Fair use notice of copyrighted material: This site contains some copyrighted material that in some cases has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner."
And he better watch out with those threats. A case may be brewing against him I hear..

Incase you haven't gotten the info, the whole case was thrown out and laughed at, except for the copywrite infringement part. Which nobody even knows why the hell thats even on there since Hal released all copywrite to the public, PLUS he has this on his site which give him no grounds to work with "Fair use notice of copyrighted material: This site contains some copyrighted material that in some cases has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner."
And he better watch out with those threats. A case may be brewing against him I hear..


Oh...OK. Thanks for that info.


-Jim

I regret to announce that Net Access Corporation (NAC) of Parisppany, NJ invoked the "network protection" clause of my server colocation contract, and terminated all services to me last night.

They took this action because my server was the target of yet another large denial of service attack on Wednesday evening, which affected not only my server, but many other customers in the NAC data center.

I am looking for a new data center to house my server. As soon as I can get that done, my sites and all the sites I host will be back on line. I expect everything to be restored not later than Monday.

Hal Turner

Sad, truly sad, Mr Turner: personally, I will miss your show.

Sad, truly sad, Mr Turner: personally, I will miss your show.
I haven't listened to Hal Turner in years and then I downloaded a recent show from a couple weeks ago. It sounded EXACTLY the same as it was three or four years ago: niggas and kikes be fuckin' with his bandwidth and shit, oh, the "costs" of doing the site and how he needs "help"; how so and so (federal government official) "should be assassinated", evil jews, stupid violent black ape savages, greasy Mexicans, etc. It even had the same way overplayed "commercials" as well.

I couldn't tell if it was a file from 2007, 2004 or 2003 -- or before.

It reminds of those times you meet up with one of your old college buddies and hit a local strip bar -- one of those places you haven't been in like three or more years. You go in there and pretty much ALL the SAME chicks are working there as the last time and they all pretty much aged in dancer years, which translates to five years for every one year that passes.

How fuckin' boring can you get!:(

And the same stupid "commercials". I haven't listened for a while but the Anti-ZOG's Anti-ZOG was playing ARMY RECRUITING ADS and shit from the ex AG about "HATE"! Gawd damn, you Turner lovers were played for suckers like nobody's business!

Incase you haven't gotten the info, the whole case was thrown out and laughed at, except for the copywrite infringement part. Which nobody even knows why the hell thats even on there since Hal released all copywrite to the public, PLUS he has this on his site which give him no grounds to work with "Fair use notice of copyrighted material: This site contains some copyrighted material that in some cases has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner."
And he better watch out with those threats. A case may be brewing against him I hear..


I don't know where you get your information, but you are 100% wrong.

The lawsuit is pending in full. The federal courts PACER system only shows the first count, Copyright Infringement. All other counts remain intact and pending against all defendants.

I sought a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) on the day of filing, January 19. That's why it took almost four hours to get in front of a Judge that day. The request for a TRO was DENIED by the court because the Defendants were not in court to speak for themselves. No other aspect of the case was adjudicated

Subpoenas have been issued to properly identify then serve the Defendants and once that is done, a second motion for Restraints will be made once all Defendants have proper notice to Appear.

Each and every Defendant will have to explain the Mail Fraud, Wire Fraud, Extortion, Computer Fraud and Abuse, Common Law Fraud and Racketeering they engaged in.

I have signed a contract with another data center to render services to me.

I explained to the data center ALL of the Denial of Service (DOS) troubles I have been experiencing since December 20 as well the content of my site and other sites I host. With this knowledge, they still agreed to provide services.

Upon installing the server, I ran into some software trouble. That will be fixed tomorrow, Monday, January 29, 2007 and my sites will be back online.

-- Hal Turner

Subpoenas have been issued to properly identify then serve the Defendants and once that is done, a second motion for Restraints will be made once all Defendants have proper notice to Appear.

Each and every Defendant will have to explain the Mail Fraud, Wire Fraud, Extortion, Computer Fraud and Abuse, Common Law Fraud and Racketeering they engaged in.


Gonna make for some interesting radio! :D

Good luck!


-Jim

Having met Hal at the Kingston rally, it is obvious to me that he is putting on another charade about DOS attacks to raise more money for his luxurient lifestyle. Any man with enough cash in his pocket to afford a meal at Ruby Tuesday's has got to be rolling in the dough.:eek:

Upon installing the server, I ran into some software trouble. That will be fixed tomorrow, Monday, January 29, 2007 and my sites will be back online.

-- Hal Turner[/QUOTE]


Hope the software trouble resolves easily. It's good to hear it will be back online. Thanks for keeping us posted.

Hal Turner is one of the best friends the White man ever had. Nobody tells the truths about the Niggers & other Shit skin Mongrels any better than Hal does. There are several here that are too squirrelly to realize it.

No, he really is being attacked with mass bandwidth vampires by the Chan community. Trust me, i know. It's all a overreaction gone horribly wrong. If he would just stop provoking them they'd leave him alone.

The more serious attacks are folks like GNAA and ARA type groups using it as cover. That thing about 7Chan being payed by him is a hoax they thought up to sow confusion and doubt. The Chan people are not tied to any host website, they have hundreds to chose from and legal action against any one site is quite pointless.

It is worth noting Hal does not use a proxy when he posts on image board forums so he is often easily identified when he posts there, more than anything else trying to trick the Anon into attack someone else pisses them off.

Really all hal has to do is calm down, not mention them for two or three shows and they will get bored and give up. As long as he amuses them they will never stop, the only reason the drama continues is because Hal wants it to.

Having met Hal at the Kingston rally, it is obvious to me that he is putting on another charade about DOS attacks to raise more money for his luxurient lifestyle. Any man with enough cash in his pocket to afford a meal at Ruby Tuesday's has got to be rolling in the dough.:eek:


LOL! We TRIED to get into a few other places!


Restaurants shun Kingston protesters (http://www.zwire.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=15617843&BRD=1769&PAG=461&dept_id=74969&rfi=8)


-Jim

@Hal
Hmm, Ok then.
This is what I was talking about.
http://knd.org.uk/files/show_case_doc2.pdf

But really, good luck on this because I seriously can't see this case going ANYWHERE.
I'm nowhere near a legal expert but heres what I know:
1) Nobody did anything illegal (the telephoen calls, well, thats their business [the callers])
2) The administrators of those sites had absolutly nothing to do with it
3) Copywrite infringement? Didnt you released full copywrite of your shows..?
4) WAIRE FRUAD: no. not unless you actually payed for the stuff
5) Extortion: No money was involved in having the *chans ask you to sharpie your forehead "I surrender /b/" Nor did anyone say to turn off your damned radio show/website
And more but I can't be assed. Asking for the personal infomation of those defendants, specifically the "John Doe(s)" from the ISP to show up for court or whatever.. No. A simple denial is all it takes.
80% of the "John Doe(s)" were proxied users anyway. You would be asking innocent ISPs and that user with the IP(s) to hand over personal information (which they wont do anyway because your case is so incredibly vauge and ISPs now a days wont ever give it out unless its something at the level of child pornography shareing or the like, which this whole thing isnt even close too). You would be getting yourself in alot more shit than you are now by going with this.
A word of advice too: When you make a threat, be prepared to be able to back it up. (By threats, I mean threats such as "I will break you bones Ian."
STREET JUICSTIZE

I'm not even sure any of what I just said makes sense and may be wrong due to me not giving much of a damn but whatever. Oh and uh, I guess i'm one of the "John Doe(s)" then, even all I did was refresh your site to see what you would say next about the current events.

I'm not even sure any of what I just said makes sense and may be wrong due to me not giving much of a damn but whatever. Oh and uh, I guess i'm one of the "John Doe(s)" then, even all I did was refresh your site to see what you would say next about the current events.


Say your prayers pal...you clowns are in some DEEP fucking doo-doo. You guys picked the wrong person to fuck with, that's for sure.

You don't think there are a few of you idiots who don't want to get tossed into a cage with a bunch of niggers who aren't already making deals, and ratting people out??? Would YOU like to get tossed into a cage full of animals?

If Alex allowed posters here to "conspire" to commit mail fraud and other FEDERAL felonies...how long do you think it would be allowed to go on? Use your BRAIN asshole! There were FEDERAL FELONIES committed!


-Jim

That's the problem Jim, they can't rat each other out. None of them knows who the others really are.

Lol, internet war.

@Hal
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I'm not even sure any of what I just said makes sense and may be wrong due to me not giving much of a damn but whatever. Oh and uh, I guess i'm one of the "John Doe(s)" then, even all I did was refresh your site to see what you would say next about the current events.


There's a very simple way to distinguish who was merely browsing my site and who was intentionally abusing it. Here is just ONE example from December 24, 2006 at 3:30 PM.

My server is IP on the left: 209.123.129.68. The abuser is from IP 71.254.54.122 shown in the right column. In this particular case, the printout of the consecutive abuser "hits" (showing 200 hits per page) is seventy one (71) pages long. I will enjoy hearing this person explain to a Judge and Jury why he needed to download the content of my site 14,000 times the same day. I want to hear him explain how this is anything but malice designed to inflict financial harm. There is no mistaking abuse. It is very clear.

Af for Bill White's comments about this not being illegal, he needs to look up the definition of Common Law Fraud. Never mind, I'll provide it "Denying a person the inestimable right of fair dealing."

Taking my site 14,000 times in a single day to the exact same computer is not "fair dealing" by any definition. Thus, it is Fraud and it is civilly actionable. Hence, my lawsuit.



tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2861 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122:nsc-posa TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2349 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2093 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4909 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4653 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4397 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4141 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33141 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http 91-115.94-24.tampabay:23530 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1070 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1326 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1582 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1838 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3118 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3374 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3630 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3886 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2094 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2350 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.a:netmon TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2862 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4142 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4398 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4654 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4910 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33396 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1327 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http 91-115.94-24.tampabay:23531 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1071 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1839 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1583 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3375 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3119 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3887 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3631 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2351 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2095 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2863 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2607 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4399 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4143 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4911 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4655 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1576 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1832 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http 91-115.94-24.tampabay:23532 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1064 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1320 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122:hpstgmgr TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2856 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2088 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2344 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3624 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3880 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3112 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3368 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4648 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4904 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4136 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4392 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33138 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1833 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1577 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1321 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http 91-115.94-24.tampabay:23533 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1065 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2857 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54:discp-client TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2345 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2089 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3881 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3625 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3369 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3113 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4905 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4649 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2377 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2121 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3913 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3657 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3401 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3145 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4937 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4681 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4425 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4169 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1098 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1354 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1610 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1866 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2122 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2378 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2634 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2890 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3146 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3402 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3658 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3914 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4170 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4426 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4682 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4938 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33296 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1355 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1099 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1867 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1611 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2379 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2123 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2891 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2635 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3403 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3147 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3915 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3659 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4427 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4171 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4939 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4683 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33567 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33311 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3652 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3908 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3140 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3396 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:dict TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2884 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2116 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2372 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1604 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1860 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1092 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1348 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4676 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4932 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4164 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4420 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3909 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3653 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3397 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3141 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2885 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2629 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2373 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2117 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1861 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1605 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1349 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1093 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4933 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4677 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4421 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4165 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33309 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33053 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3142 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3398 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3654 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3910 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2118 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2374 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2630 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2886 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1094 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1350 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1606 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1862 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4166 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4422 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4678 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4934 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33052 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3399 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3143 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3911 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3655 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2375 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2119 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2887 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2631 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1351 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1095 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1863 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1607 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4423 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4167 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4935 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4679 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33563 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2624 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2880 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2112 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2368 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3648 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3904 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3136 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3392 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1600 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1856 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1088 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1344 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4672 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4928 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4160 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4416 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2881 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2625 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2369 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2113 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3905 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3649 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3393 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3137 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1857 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1601 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1345 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1089 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4929 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4673 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4417 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4161 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2114 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2370 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2626 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2882 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3138 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3394 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3650 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3906 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1090 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1346 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1602 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1858 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4162 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4418 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4674 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4930 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33048 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2371 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2115 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2883 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2627 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3395 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3139 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3907 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3651 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1347 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1091 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1859 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1603 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4419 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4163 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4931 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4675 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http ::ffff:203.82.182.242:33287 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4956 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:4188 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.a:krb524 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1628 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1884 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1116 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:1372 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3676 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3932 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3164 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:3420 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2652 TIME_WAIT

warning, got duplicate tcp line.

Why doesn't Hal Turner get a free blog, at blogger.com, and post his plans and information there? This instead of coming on VNN to tantalize the chan people?

Some of the chans may not like our politics but who among us interested in stirring up trouble with them?

Good questions Geoff and I think that whilst FTL has potential to be better and more useful than the occasional Goyfires, Hal Turner is just a noise machine who enjoys self-aggrandisement. To run a server like his and produce live radio shows via the Internet doesn't cost anything like as much as he's previously asked for and/or demanded from supporters.

It's not necessary to get into details as to how much the new "one button" FTL system cost but, above and beyond getting the actual hardware I don't think it's thousands of dollars per month.

In addition, you're right. Turner could just get a simple blog with simple information. He could even Podcast if he's that desperate to be heard and I notice at places like Libsyn many of the people there, like em or not, do daily shows for something like $50 per month unlimited bandwidth!

Check it out!!!

K
nwhomeland.blogspot.com

Why doesn't Hal Turner get a free blog, at blogger.com, and post his plans and information there? This instead of coming on VNN to tantalize the chan people?

Some of the chans may not like our politics but who among us interested in stirring up trouble with them?

Turner has a blog www.halturnershow.blogspot.com.

Does anyone know if his regular site is back up? I'm still not getting it, don't know if it's because of AT&T buying my ISP or if he's specifically blocked me.

Edit: Sorry, I had Turner's blog address listed wrong. I fixed it.

@Hal
Hmm, Ok then.
This is what I was talking about.
http://knd.org.uk/files/show_case_doc2.pdf

But really, good luck on this because I seriously can't see this case going ANYWHERE.
I'm nowhere near a legal expert but heres what I know:
1) Nobody did anything illegal (the telephoen calls, well, thats their business [the callers])
2) The administrators of those sites had absolutly nothing to do with it
3) Copywrite infringement? Didnt you released full copywrite of your shows..?
4) WAIRE FRUAD: no. not unless you actually payed for the stuff
5) Extortion: No money was involved in having the *chans ask you to sharpie your forehead "I surrender /b/" Nor did anyone say to turn off your damned radio show/website
And more but I can't be assed. Asking for the personal infomation of those defendants, specifically the "John Doe(s)" from the ISP to show up for court or whatever.. No. A simple denial is all it takes.
80% of the "John Doe(s)" were proxied users anyway. You would be asking innocent ISPs and that user with the IP(s) to hand over personal information (which they wont do anyway because your case is so incredibly vauge and ISPs now a days wont ever give it out unless its something at the level of child pornography shareing or the like, which this whole thing isnt even close too). You would be getting yourself in alot more shit than you are now by going with this.
A word of advice too: When you make a threat, be prepared to be able to back it up. (By threats, I mean threats such as "I will break you bones Ian."
STREET JUICSTIZE

I'm not even sure any of what I just said makes sense and may be wrong due to me not giving much of a damn but whatever. Oh and uh, I guess i'm one of the "John Doe(s)" then, even all I did was refresh your site to see what you would say next about the current events.


No 1: Those guys sure as shit did things that were illegal-I think you are trying to convince yourself.
No 2: They used those websites to organize and fascilitate the attacks-so as a matter of course he CAN asks the courts to force them to turn over information of the users (and they probably will when forced legally in the discovery process).
No3: Hal didn't release copyright of those shows. Period. He even warned me when I used extensive clips of his shows a few years back. That dog just won't hunt, but nice try.
No 4: The subject of wire fraud? Don't know but I am sure placing thousands of dollars in orders to be sent to Hal's house is illegal in some fashion.
No 5: Extortion doesn't have to be monetary.

Something you DIDN'T mention and that was when the harassing phone calls were made and RECORDED (and placed online) without the knowledge of those being called-that is a felony in many states.

He may or may not be able to get the information he needs via subpeana but he has every legal right to attempt to do so.

Obviously, he will not be able to identify ALL of them via the legal process, but it is my hope he is able to legally go after those few that he can identify. I hope Hal doesn't get a soft heart and drop this thing...It is my hope he goes after these people using the full extent of the law. Don't fool yourself; a few people ARE going to pay for their criminal activity.

Try to find a hosting company and get a quote. Then inform them that they are guaranteed to get massive DoS attacks and hate mail. Ask them for another quote. Then tell them the nature of your show and ask for another quote. In most cases, you would never get the second quote.

Do you really think a hosting company would charge the same rate for a network like Hal's as they would for some small network selling baby apparel?

It is the nature of the open internet forums like this that it attracts both informed people and the naive. In your case, Lothario - the naive.

There's a very simple way to distinguish who was merely browsing my site and who was intentionally abusing it. Here is just ONE example from December 24, 2006 at 3:30 PM.

My server is IP on the left: 209.123.129.68. The abuser is from IP 71.254.54.122 shown in the right column. In this particular case, the printout of the consecutive abuser "hits" (showing 200 hits per page) is seventy one (71) pages long. I will enjoy hearing this person explain to a Judge and Jury why he needed to download the content of my site 14,000 times the same day. I want to hear him explain how this is anything but malice designed to inflict financial harm. There is no mistaking abuse. It is very clear.

Af for Bill White's comments about this not being illegal, he needs to look up the definition of Common Law Fraud. Never mind, I'll provide it "Denying a person the inestimable right of fair dealing."

Taking my site 14,000 times in a single day to the exact same computer is not "fair dealing" by any definition. Thus, it is Fraud and it is civilly actionable. Hence, my lawsuit.



You do realize as a SysAdmin its your responsibility to filter out attacks. If one ip is hurling a lot of traffic your way its your job to ban them. You have no way of knowing if this was a compromised machine or if it was completely intentional. The problem here for you is when its a few hundred ips constantly refreshing your page its your job to ban them theres hundreds of dos solutions that would do that for you, why you have still chosen to not go that route I haven't a clue.

Now when you're getting ddos'd the first d obviously being distributed. Theres not much you can do at all, the problem here for you is all you've got is hundreds of thousands of ips of compromised machines. You're essentially suing hundreds if not thousands of people who were too stupid to secure their machine and fortunately for them that is not a crime. For that fact you are probably putting yourself at a great risk to be counter-sued.

Your handling of the entire situation leaves one to believe you should clearly not be managing your own machine as you are incapable. The lack of knowledge towards the attacks against you is simply sad. You need to know how things work before you go off suing people. Then again this is probably why 80% of your case was thrown out.

Why you insist on dragging your problems to other sites or properly securing your site, I haven't a clue. Good luck with the rest of your case Mr Turner, you will need it.

You do realize as a SysAdmin its your responsibility to filter out attacks. If one ip is hurling a lot of traffic your way its your job to ban them. You have no way of knowing if this was a compromised machine or if it was completely intentional. The problem here for you is when its a few hundred ips constantly refreshing your page its your job to ban them theres hundreds of dos solutions that would do that for you, why you have still chosen to not go that route I haven't a clue.

Now when you're getting ddos'd the first d obviously being distributed. Theres not much you can do at all, the problem here for you is all you've got is hundreds of thousands of ips of compromised machines. You're essentially suing hundreds if not thousands of people who were too stupid to secure their machine and fortunately for them that is not a crime. For that fact you are probably putting yourself at a great risk to be counter-sued.

Your handling of the entire situation leaves one to believe you should clearly not be managing your own machine as you are incapable. The lack of knowledge towards the attacks against you is simply sad. You need to know how things work before you go off suing people. Then again this is probably why 80% of your case was thrown out.

Why you insist on dragging your problems to other sites or properly securing your site, I haven't a clue. Good luck with the rest of your case Mr Turner, you will need it.

Counter sued for what? Free speech?

That's what is great about the legal system. Even if Hal doesn't get a conviction on all of them all he has to do is find a few, file a charge against them and then their info is in the public domain. My guess is that a few will get scared and spill the beans hoping for leniency.

You 3/7Chan fuckers messed with the wrong man. Those of you who aren't charged and convicted will still have your names known the public. Then some lone-wolves can come in do what needs to be done.

Before all the dust settles, there is sure to be a lot of broken bones and "missing" people.


It's posts like this that are exactly why he will be stonewalled in the subpoena process.

You do realize as a SysAdmin its your responsibility to filter out attacks.

Hey asshole...I guess what you're saying is, when a White woman walks through a nigger infested neighborhood...it's her responsibility to "filter out" the fucking niggers who more likely than not will gang rape her? What would a reasonable person on a jury think pal?

I can't wait till all the details of the people involved are made PUBLIC. ;)


-Jim

Turner has a blog www.halturnershowshow.blogspot.com.

Does anyone know if his regular site is back up? I'm still not getting it, don't know if it's because of AT&T buying my ISP or if he's specifically blocked me.

Hal Turner show show? LOL!

Here's the correct link:

http://www.halturnershow.blogspot.com/


-Jim

It is the nature of the open internet forums like this that it attracts both informed people and the naive. In your case, Lothario - the naive.

Anyway Geoff Beck, you may want to consider getting a slightly better host. Your forums are pretty successful and Vbulletin uses quite a bit of CPU with all the sql queries and what not. While Dreamhost accounts are basically unlimited everything for $10 a month CPU is the exception and I'd guess thats why you're having the problems you're currently having, Cheers

Counter sued for what? Free speech?

Legal fees among other things. You can't just haul anyone into court for whatever reason you decide to and have them be responsible for any of the inconviences that it may have caused them.

I'll extend on what I previously said by no means am I trying to say that ddos is legal. It clearly is not, ddos does not take place on websites. Chances that you ever find out where it took place is slim to none, but if you ever do at least you have your person to sue. A bunch of people posting bandwidth leeching scripts on a website is not a ddos. You simply block them and they can no longer leech your bandwidth. This is what Turner should have done, why he didn't your guess is as good as mine. I'd guess to have something more to whine about for donations but thats just my guess based on history.

An ip address is worthless in civil court. It's essentially your word vs theirs. If they say they didn't do it, what are you going to use a log with their ip in it that supposedly came from your server logs at the exact time your server was being attacked........RIIIIIIGGHHHT. Even then in this day and age an ip does not equal an identity this has been shown countless times in the RIAA vs John Doe cases. You will likely find a computer or router at the end of that ip of course but you have no way of pinning that to the owner. The pc could be compromised it might not have been them using the computer or most recently the could be running unencrypted or even encrypted wifi that someone decided to break to gain access to the router. Even if you are to by some miracle succeed in getting the identities of these people your likely to incite violence on a bunch of innocent white people who did not know to secure their pc/wifi. Because everyone knows black people don't use the internet.

Actually, I think the Judges have learned how to behave by now. They learn quickly when taught correctly.

Your original statement didn't bother me, it's just foolish to put your intentions out their publically. Turner did the same and that will likely have been a mistake for him.



Hey asshole...I guess what you're saying is, when a White woman walks through a nigger infested neighborhood...it's her responsibility to "filter out" the fucking niggers who more likely than not will gang rape her? What would a reasonable person on a jury think pal?

I can't wait till all the details of the people involved are made PUBLIC. ;)


-Jim

Not sure which world you live in, but in the world I live in "bandwidth rape" is not the same as physical rape or hal turner would look similar to goatse

I guess it must have been the people who used TOR ect... and confessed to doing it in their chat room. The man was not bothering anybody there. I don't understand why they chose to do what they did.

I guess it must have been the people who used TOR ect... and confessed to doing it in their chat room. The man was not bothering anybody there. I don't understand why they chose to do what they did.

Tor is generally a low bandwidth proxy and theres quite a few tor ip blocklists around the web, why hal didnt use them, still not a clue.

It's posts like this that are exactly why he will be stonewalled in the subpoena process.
restinpower, junior member 2007.....hmmm.... sounds like your peeing in your pants son. Is that why your posting? You want to convince yourself that your ass isn't in deep shit. The clock is ticking.......

restinpower, junior member 2007.....hmmm.... sounds like your peeing in your pants son. Is that why your posting? You want to convince yourself that your ass isn't in deep shit. The clock is ticking.......

I didn't register here til I heard about the entire thing (which was sometime last week). Oh boy do you have me scared I'm going to be sued in civil court for posting on vnn forums, what am I commiting, wire fraud? I've been nothing but civil and realistic, if it bothers you that much I'll simply stop posting.

Admit it.. your ass is grass!! You will be found, have your name dragged into court and then you had better PRAY you are sent to prison.. because if we catch you... God help you!

For doing what? Posting on this forum? I thought you guys were all about "free speech no matter who doesn't like it" I guess thats just until they aren't agreeing with you than they're worthy of death. I had no part in the "attacks" I found out about this whole mess through digg.com a massive news site. Anyway I guess I'll save my cache and a few screenshots in case I ever need them. You sure are a friendly bunch :rolleyes:

I thought you guys were all about "free speech no matter who doesn't like it"

Are you one of "us guys"...or are you a fucking hook nosed kike?


-Jim

Are you one of "us guys"...or are you a fucking hook nosed kike?


-Jim

You can trace my family back to 9th century England and we've been in america since the 1620's, your call ;)

I had no part in the "attacks" I found out about this whole mess through digg.com a massive news site. Anyway I guess I'll save my cache and a few screenshots in case I ever need them. You sure are a friendly bunch :rolleyes:

Oh, then that would explain why you did not see the horrible, disgusting threats that the "attackers" posted on Hal's comment section when this stupidity began. If you don't know what was posted and I believe you do know.... So horrible.
This really needs to stop. Nobody here or elsewhere were the provocateurs in this....nevermind. I'm sure you know more than you say.

You can trace my family back to 9th century England and we've been in america since the 1620's, your call ;)

Sounds good, but...you didn't answer my question. ;)

Many families (http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/rothschild.htm) can trace their bloodlines...


-Jim

Hal Turner show show? LOL!

Here's the correct link:

http://www.halturnershow.blogspot.com/


-Jim

Yes Jim, it's the show of all shows. lol. Don't know how I missed that. Maybe I'm getting a bit senile in my old age. I fixed it in my other post. Thanks for the correction.

BTW, does anyone know if there was an archive of last weeks halturnershowshow, I lost the feed about 40 minutes in and never heard the rest.

Who do guys like Hal continue to fight?

Hal isn't trying to obtain subpeanas merely for the purpose of displaying personal information. I know what others are saying about this and will use this arguement as an excuse to quash any subpeana but Hal is entitled to a remedy at law.

What was done to him WAS illegal. What makes me sick is how many people go about forums like this one bashing him.

So-called WN are the most treacherous people I have ever associated with. Almost makes me want to give up on this struggle.

Actually, we are fighting for the "right cause" it is just the wrong people involved in it.

Actually, we are fighting for the "right cause" it is just the wrong people involved in it.

I couldn't agree more. It seems our ranks are currently overflowing with perverts and liars and thieves as well as various other deviants and undesirables, and it has been this way for quite some time.

There is a most definite need for a thorough purge.

That's what is great about the legal system. Even if Hal doesn't get a conviction on all of them all he has to do is find a few, file a charge against them and then their info is in the public domain. My guess is that a few will get scared and spill the beans hoping for leniency.

You 3/7Chan fuckers messed with the wrong man. Those of you who aren't charged and convicted will still have your names known the public. Then some lone-wolves can come in do what needs to be done.

Before all the dust settles, there is sure to be a lot of broken bones and "missing" people.
Haha, oh wow.
Violence. Wow, thats how you like to solve problems eh. That could get you sent to life in prision. Or worse. Better watch what you say.
Also, like I said: even if this case manages to go forward, those addresses that will be posted will 9/10 percent be an innocent mans home.
ISPs will deny you infomation.

You 3/7Chan fuckers messed with the wrong man.
I keep laughing at this I don't know why.

There's a very simple way to distinguish who was merely browsing my site and who was intentionally abusing it. Here is just ONE example from December 24, 2006 at 3:30 PM.

My server is IP on the left: 209.123.129.68. The abuser is from IP 71.254.54.122 shown in the right column. In this particular case, the printout of the consecutive abuser "hits" (showing 200 hits per page) is seventy one (71) pages long. I will enjoy hearing this person explain to a Judge and Jury why he needed to download the content of my site 14,000 times the same day. I want to hear him explain how this is anything but malice designed to inflict financial harm. There is no mistaking abuse. It is very clear.

Af for Bill White's comments about this not being illegal, he needs to look up the definition of Common Law Fraud. Never mind, I'll provide it "Denying a person the inestimable right of fair dealing."

Taking my site 14,000 times in a single day to the exact same computer is not "fair dealing" by any definition. Thus, it is Fraud and it is civilly actionable. Hence, my lawsuit.[SIZE="2"]



tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122.atc:2861 TIME_WAIT

tcp 0 0 ::ffff:209.123.129.68:http pool-71-254-54-122:nsc-posa TIME_WAIT

A defendant would simply say "Uh, no.? That's not me." And then he's off the hook. IP's do not give a persons identity. ISPs can't prove it either, and logs are automatically deleted more or less after 30 days. It's been past 30 days.

I will enjoy hearing this person explain to a Judge and Jury why he needed to download the content of my site 14,000 times the same day.

"I just liked his site and had it on auto-refresh to see the latest news. Sorry, I didn't know refreshing too many times was a crime."
or
"My friend gave me this link which did things I wasnt sure what it was. I cuoldn't stop it"

I keep laughing at this I don't know why.



Well, I hope you keep laughing when you talk to the judge. I think we all know that none of this is funny. And you ought to consider the content you post in your chatrooms. You really shouldn't post that garbage in front of kids. I would guess that there should be no one in there under 18 to begin with.

Well, I hope you keep laughing when you talk to the judge. I think we all know that none of this is funny. And you ought to consider the content you post in your chatrooms. You really shouldn't post that garbage in front of kids. I would guess that there should be no one in there under 18 to begin with.
I think I will be laughing while I'm talking to him because I'm not guilty of anything :D

The content on the IMAGEBOARDS is up to the person that uploaded it. Also, it depends on which board you're on. The people that say "This site has pictures of animated children in sex positions!" have been only viewing the Lolicon board, which was made for that. And even then, that content is legal. /b/ - Random, is the popular board amongst the *chans. Posting allowed of anything but CP.

You have to be 18 or older to be on the chan boards. Average *channer is 18 and older.

I think I will be laughing while I'm talking to him because I'm not guilty of anything :D

The content on the IMAGEBOARDS is up to the person that uploaded it. Also, it depends on which board you're on. The people that say "This site has pictures of animated children in sex positions!" have been only viewing the Lolicon board, which was made for that. And even then, that content is legal. /b/ - Random, is the popular board amongst the *chans. Posting allowed of anything but CP.

You have to be 18 or older to be on the chan boards. Average *channer is 18 and older.

Holy shit! Where to begin. You don't have to bother explaing it to me. It is sick & disgusting. And you post that as though it's nothing. THAT is the most disgusting statement I have ever heard.

I couldn't agree more. It seems our ranks are currently overflowing with perverts and liars and thieves as well as various other deviants and undesirables, and it has been this way for quite some time.

There is a most definite need for a thorough purge.


There is nothing to purge really. All it takes is for real patriots to just part company with the deviant;the drunken;the amoral;the sociopathic; the opportunistic; the lying; and the selfish that would appoint themselves as leaders over us.

The treatment of Hal Turner by other so-called patriots has really made me see the light.

Any White who puts down Hal Turner is not a true WN. They have Nigger Loving blood in their veins. You may not agree with everything he says, but you should never try to bring harm to his character.

ISPs can't prove it either, and logs are automatically deleted more or less after 30 days. It's been past 30 days.


You fail. I worked for an isp. They're forced to keep logs AT LEAST 1 year. AT&T goes 3 years back.

Any White who puts down Hal Turner is not a true WN.

Nonsense. I haven't said anything against him, but it's evident that many of his wounds are self inflicted.

You fail. I worked for an isp. They're forced to keep logs AT LEAST 1 year. AT&T goes 3 years back.

I CAN'T WAIT till the people responsible for this shit are identified!

I think Hal mentioned on his last show that a few of them were already starting to "sing," in hopes of making a deal, and/or getting a lighter sentence. :D

Just looking at some of the sick shit on a few of those sites leads one to believe that a few of these pathetic individuals aren't going to have a problem with being tossed into a locked cage with a bunch of fucking buck niggers, while being forced to wear pink panties. ;)


-Jim

Nonsense. I haven't said anything against him, but it's evident that many of his wounds are self inflicted.


If so, there is still no need for Whites to put him down.

Also, like I said: even if this case manages to go forward, those addresses that will be posted will 9/10 percent be an innocent mans home.

Oh, you must mean like Adam Reimer because he had his old address listed in his contact information for his websites.

Did you know if you go to the Nova Scotia Land Office in Halifax, use one of their public access computers, search the name Reimer for the city Sackville, lo and behold, you get the information you need. Even if an address is missing from a deed, you can get it from the real estate tax authorities. Checking for driving violations and tickets is also a good way to get current information. Even if the information on your license isn't correct, it will need to be updated to have any bond returned. Finding people through public records is an extremely easy thing to do and generally doesn't cost a penny.

See how easy it is to find people. Hal's show reaches worldwide and, unless you've been hiding your whereabouts since birth, anyone can be found.

Isn't public record a wonderful thing!

You fail. I worked for an isp. They're forced to keep logs AT LEAST 1 year. AT&T goes 3 years back.
There is no law requiring an ISP to keep logs for any amount of time. The only exception to this is if the ISP's customer is a government agency. Then the ISP would have to keep logs and such for a specified amount of time for their government clients. There is no provision in the Patriot Act that requires ISP's to hold onto information they normally have the prerogative not to.
Mine does 30 days btw. So I just assumed.
Worked? when? lol.
internets

There are some misconceptions about how these people work, operate and are mobilized. A very common misconception is that this is a organized group based on a specfic website or such like that when in fact it's a huge mass of lone wolfs, kinda like a internet version of the Earth Liberation Front.

There are actually a few ways in which they operate that might very well make a WN say "hmm" and ponder for a bit. One of the reasons i came here is while i think Hal was wrong to threaten those kids who crank called him this has gone on too far, it is censoring him when that should be the last thing Anon would do to anyone.

Having a tumble with Hal is one thing, after all he's a tough guy who can take it and dish it out. However silencing him is another thing, one that i cannot abide. Also i'm pissed off that they could not wait until after his last show to take down his site again, i was enjoying it.

If folks will stick to questions about exactly who these people are and not flame me to hell and back i would be quite willing to write up a bit of a overview of what exactly these people are. It would help Hal stay on the air however i don't know about the legal aspect.

There are some legal angles not being considered here simply because you guys don't know about them and would never consider them. Trust me, that fact reflects favorably on you, some of the things i've seen joked about are ghastly in their implications.This is not because of any failing on your part, but simply something that arises from two totally alien internet cultures bumping into each other in a really odd way.

I would really like this to end, both sides eventually might end up doing really unpleasant things eventually if this does not stop.

I don't know why some White people worry so much about what it cost Hal to run his show and site etc. Either you are going to send him a $5 or a $10 or you're not. It's up to the individual. I just can’t understand all the “pro-Whites” who complain about the matter. And most, if not all, the ones doing the complaining listen to either his show or the other shows he host. Plus they read and browse his site. There must be something there, I mean if it’s such a bad site, bad shows, and such a raw deal - why even bother with it? Just stay the flock away from him and his site. Seems easy. But no, for whatever reason, these people seem to just have to ramble on and on about how much it cost and what he does with the money.

Sure, I've sent a couple of checks to him and to be perfectly honest about it, I hope he used some of it to take his family out to a nice restaurant. As far as I am concerned, he (his wife and his son) deserves it. Matter of fact, next check I send, I am sending a gift certificate for a local steakhouse. If the anti’s can harass him, his wife (and we know it must have some effect on his son as well) then I, as a White man, can at least do some little thing to bring a few moments of pleasure and enjoyment to the man and his family.

That is my personal opinion and it’s exactly how I feel. I've never asked Pastor Butler, Matt Hale, David Duke or any other person/group what they did with the money. Why? Because I really didn't care. I sent the money because I cared about the individual or group and I felt it a worthwhile cause and not because I was afraid they may pay the rent or buy a tire for their car or something else that ‘some people‘ may not approve of.

The number one excuse ppl have for NOT donating money to pro-White endeavors is because they claim ‘the recipient may use it to buy a sandwich or something.’ Oh my gosh, I just sent him $10 yesterday and look, today, ohh, ohhhh, ohhhh, I saw him at McDonald’s purchasing a big mac and, and, he even upsized his meal! Like really, who cares? Personally, I don’t.

I would imagine doing a radio show most nights takes much time and preparation. I’d hate to think of myself working eight hours a day and then sitting by the computer all evening doing my show plus the other shows. Not even to mention going through the messages, finding (or writing) news and commentary etc etc. Is there some kind of logical reasoning why anyone who commits that much time and energy SHOULDN’T be compensated for their efforts? Besides that, no one, not even HT can spend as much time on what he does and NOT be compensated. It just can’t happen. Sure he makes a profit on his work, as well as he should, in my opinion anyways. Does he conceal that fact? Yes and no. He has mentioned on more than one occasion that he does intend on making a profit. Although he does most times insinuate he is ‘just breaking even.’ I guess he’s afraid ppl will moan and groan more than they already do if he admitted it. Obviously he’s walking a tightrope and under much scrutiny. Really, he’s in a no-win situation. Most ppl can’t comprehend being pro-White AND making a few dollars at the same time. It’s like if you’re pro-White you must live in a mud hut, ride a donkey and just spend your life on talking about our enemies.

I guess I just don't get into griping about pro-Whites. Again, whether it's an individual or a group. The only essay I've EVER written negatively towards racially aware Whites was during the organizing of the Kingston rally. It really, REALLY pissed me off when 'certain' people and groups wouldn't assist. It was a three page rant and I guess what I wrote was a decent piece, I was a member of NNN at the time and WB posted it on the front page. And even though I told the truth and it probably needed to be said, it still left a sour taste in my mouth and I told myself that I would never, ever write an essay like that again. With that one exception, I have never wrote or posted negatively concerning a pro-White since. I don't care if it's a one man operation or a group of people, if it‘s pro-White, that‘s good enough for me. Like the old saying that mothers would tell their children “if you don’t have anything good to say about someone, don’t say anything at all.” That’s how I feel about pro-Whites.

Whites need more shows like HT’s on the internet. No matter what anyone thinks, it does have an effect. People do hear the message and they do gain understanding and really, that’s our only hope. Whites have no other hope outside of awakening other Whites and hopefully one day we together, as a race, can and will make changes. I mean I don’t know if everyone realizes this or not but, Whites are sucking hind titty, it’s obvious we can’t elect politicians who will help our cause because if anyone holds pro-White views --- > they won’t get elected. It’s obvious we can’t assassinate all those that do us harm. And what should be more obvious is, we really don’t have anything going for us (as a group). I hate to be so blunt but . . . we don’t have shit! We have a lot of informative sites on the internet, we have some decent broadcast, vids etc but, when it gets right down to it, that’s all we’ve got.

If something is happening in this country, some kind of action, some kind of a movement or anything that benefits us, as a race, is taking place, where is it? I mean I have been busy working a lot lately, maybe I missed something, ahh, where is it? What am I missing? Are we making moves’ somewhere? Last time I looked, jews still rule over us. We’re still dying in the Middle East, we’re still paying 50% or more of our incomes in federal taxes with most of it being paid to the jew federal reserve as interest payments on the “deficit,” we’re still being robbed, assaulted and murdered in the streets, our women are still being slapped down, drug into alleyways and raped, with some being beat to death. The third world invasion continues, our politicians are still sucking jew ass with most of our presidential candidates falling at the feet of the jew while explaining what all they will do for them if elected. Did I miss something? Aren’t we yet losing ground? Isn’t the evil and satanic jew still yet gaining more and more power over us? Maybe I’m wrong and we need to go to the next level by starting on all those ‘bad, bad’ Whites like HT?

Where lies our hope? By trashing and ruining HT? Oh boy, let’s f*ck over HT now, thata’ show em.‘ We’ll have those jews, nigs and spigs by the balls then. We’ll ‘out’ HT, yea, he’s buying groceries with the money ‘they’ sent him, that’s just not right, let’s all f*ck him over, we’ll stop THIS sh*t.

Our ONLY hope, albeit a small hope, lies in awakening our people. Hopefully someday we can make changes. If there’s something besides waking up our race, what else is there? Screwing over people like HT and keep the ppl sleeping? I’ve heard people say “after we wake them up, what are we suppose to do?“ That’s like the million dollar question man, I don’t have the answers. All I know is . . . WTF do we accomplish if they keep sleeping?

Why worry about what HT does with his donations anyway? The ppl complaining aren’t the ones sending them. So why are “some” ppl so worried about it? Gripe about what the jew does with your money, you ARE sending it to them! Don’t worry about WTF kind of car HT drives, even if you just sent him a couple dollars, you don’t own the man. Sheesh. I’m more worried about why Whites are driving tanks, hummers, flying jets, helicopters etc. while fighting and dying in a jew war. That concerns me more that what kind of a vehicle a pro-White drives. Unless he “pushes” a “ride” with a leopard skin top, wide white walls, a large obnoxious hood ornament (to thrill the oncoming traffic), and playboy dice dangling from the mirror, I don’t give a f*ck what kind of car a SOB drives. Sheessssh.

Gee, personally I think HT, since he’s pro-White and everything, should be pushing a tamale cart wagon around. Listen, if you are sooo worried that you are donating to a person that drives a decent car, don’t donate. If it bothers you - do not donate! Just don’t try to tell other mofos what to do.

But like I said, maybe I’m missing something. Maybe we have other options. Maybe we don’t need people like HT taking OUR message to thousands of OUR people. Maybe we don’t need to send him a few dollars here and there to keep him going. Hey, remember, he may take some of that money and pay a couple dollars towards his rent . . . ooooh, ouuuucchhh . . . gosh, how awful. I think he should just move out of his condominium and do his show as well as the other shows on a park bench.

Is HT perfect? No. Does he piss me (and all of us) off every once in awhile? Sure. One time he took a comment that one of my net buds posted on his board and he cussed him, even after the guy told him, hey man, “I didn’t mean it like you thought . . . it was constructive criticism, I was trying to help,” HT took it the wrong way again and cussed the guy again! HT didn’t realize it but, the gentleman he was cussing had just sent him a hundred dollars. A hundred dollars that I also matched. I’ve sent money after that incident but, the other guy hasn’t. Matter of fact he has become hostile to Hal over it. But no, Hal’s not perfect and I understand some of the grievances concerning HT but, and again, we need MORE and MORE people just like him! We need more and more and more ppl SCEAMING OUR message. It’s OUR message and, that’s why I support him.

I've also sent checks to VNN and other pro-White sites. Matter of fact one check I sent to VNN was when I was banned from their forum. But, it didn’t matter, it was something I wanted to do. I’m not a virgin to being banned from forums anyway. Sh*t, mofos ban me all the time. You’re still reading this aren’t you? Anyway, I never asked what they did or will do with the money, I didn’t say, “hey man, you ARE going to spend every penny of this on VNN aren’t you?” And do you know why I didn‘t ask? Because I didn’t care. Plus, I didn’t send it with the lame attitude of . . . “you owe me now.“ I sent it because I w-a-n-t-e-d to.

All I can say to the folks who would rather not send pro-Whites groups or individuals donations, don't. Don't send anything. If there are certain pro-White sites you like and agree with and you want to send them a donation or donations - do it, send it - if not, then don’t. And if you don’t - don’t complain about those who do.

That’s my personal opinion concerning the matter. I just don’t understand how somebody is going to “warn” some motherf*cker about where they send their own damn money. Say what you want, tell me how I’m getting ripped off, how I am a sucker, how HT once did this or a couple of times he did that but, you’re not telling me anything I don’t already know BUT ----- > you are telling me something ---- > I don’t care about.

Respectively submitted.

Signed,

Sam the Sausagehead.



PS. Be glad when HT gets back up and running. Hope he don’t forget about the other shows he host. I may not always agree with any and all broadcast from pro-Whites but - VNN, HT, DD, P. Shaenk and all the others - keep up the good work - you all may very well be our last only hope.

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There is no law requiring an ISP to keep logs for any amount of time

They still do :D

Oh, just so you know, unusual massive connections to a single adress (be them tcp, udp, http, etc...) are automatically flagged and saved in case they should provide it to a court in case of legal actions.

All the guys that attacked Hal's website have a nice "red record" in their (their parents) personal file at their local ISP.

*A red record is a flag for an internet line that is used to commit malicious activity on the net, be it willfully or not. Obviously requesting 150.000 pings an hour to a single adress is considered malicious activity.

(name may differ from place to place, at least eastern us and western europe use the "red record" name).

In fact, just tracing the IP hal posted to the isp, calling them saying "This IP which originates on your network attacked me this time & date and i'm sending you proof right now" is enough to have this persons connection immediately shut down for good.

That's one of the things i like the most. Having the internet connections of wannabe bad-asses shut down. They hate that :D

I couldn't resist:


Name: pool-71-254-54-122.atclnj.east.verizon.net
IP Address: 71.254.54.122
Location: 39.367N, 74.433W
Network: VIS-BLOCK


OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc.
OrgID: VRIS
Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr
City: Reston
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20191
Country: US

NetRange: 71.240.0.0 - 71.255.255.255

OrgAbuseHandle: VISAB-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: VIS Abuse
OrgAbusePhone: +1-214-513-6711
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@verizon.net


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6630/untitled2rb1.gif
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4789/untitled2mg3.jpg
(Middle of Atlantic City)

Not as anonymous as you thought to be heh ?

Some guys don't need courts to find adresses :D
:D

I would really like this to end, both sides eventually might end up doing really unpleasant things eventually if this does not stop.


We're living in some real interesting times. Although I never thought I'd live to see it...I have a feeling we're all going to see a whole lot of "unpleasant things" before the dust settles.

Best to pick a side...and make sure you tell all your White friends they're already wearing their uniforms. ;)


-Jim

Wow! Look what happens when i map Verizon in that area!

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7006/untitled2ok2.jpg

So, the attacker in the log hal posted lives between 1540 and 1575 Adriatic Ave, Atlantic City, NJ 08401.

I could dig in further and release the name and adress of that person, but i don't think it would be very legal :D

Meet your maker bitch, you're not anonymous with me ;)

I don't know why some White people worry so much about what it cost Hal to run his show and site etc. Either you are going to send him a $5 or a $10 or you're not. It's up to the individual. I just can’t understand all the “pro-Whites” who complain about the matter. And most, if not all, the ones doing the complaining listen to either his show or the other shows he host. Plus they read and browse his site. There must be something there, I mean if it’s such a bad site, bad shows, and such a raw deal - why even bother with it? Just stay the flock away from him and his site. Seems easy. But no, for whatever reason, these people seem to just have to ramble on and on about how much it cost and what he does with the money.

Sure, I've sent a couple of checks to him and to be perfectly honest about it, I hope he used some of it to take his family out to a nice restaurant. As far as I am concerned, he (his wife and his son) deserves it. Matter of fact, next check I send, I am sending a gift certificate for a local steakhouse. If the anti’s can harass him, his wife (and we know it must have some effect on his son as well) then I, as a White man, can at least do some little thing to bring a few moments of pleasure and enjoyment to the man and his family.

That is my personal opinion and it’s exactly how I feel. I've never asked Pastor Butler, Matt Hale, David Duke or any other person/group what they did with the money. Why? Because I really didn't care. I sent the money because I cared about the individual or group and I felt it a worthwhile cause and not because I was afraid they may pay the rent or buy a tire for their car or something else that ‘some people‘ may not approve of.

The number one excuse ppl have for NOT donating money to pro-White endeavors is because they claim ‘the recipient may use it to buy a sandwich or something.’ Oh my gosh, I just sent him $10 yesterday and look, today, ohh, ohhhh, ohhhh, I saw him at McDonald’s purchasing a big mac and, and, he even upsized his meal! Like really, who cares? Personally, I don’t.

I would imagine doing a radio show most nights takes much time and preparation. I’d hate to think of myself working eight hours a day and then sitting by the computer all evening doing my show plus the other shows. Not even to mention going through the messages, finding (or writing) news and commentary etc etc. Is there some kind of logical reasoning why anyone who commits that much time and energy SHOULDN’T be compensated for their efforts? Besides that, no one, not even HT can spend as much time on what he does and NOT be compensated. It just can’t happen. Sure he makes a profit on his work, as well as he should, in my opinion anyways. Does he conceal that fact? Yes and no. He has mentioned on more than one occasion that he does intend on making a profit. Although he does most times insinuate he is ‘just breaking even.’ I guess he’s afraid ppl will moan and groan more than they already do if he admitted it. Obviously he’s walking a tightrope and under much scrutiny. Really, he’s in a no-win situation. Most ppl can’t comprehend being pro-White AND making a few dollars at the same time. It’s like if you’re pro-White you must live in a mud hut, ride a donkey and just spend your life on talking about our enemies.

I guess I just don't get into griping about pro-Whites. Again, whether it's an individual or a group. The only essay I've EVER written negatively towards racially aware Whites was during the organizing of the Kingston rally. It really, REALLY pissed me off when 'certain' people and groups wouldn't assist. It was a three page rant and I guess what I wrote was a decent piece, I was a member of NNN at the time and WB posted it on the front page. And even though I told the truth and it probably needed to be said, it still left a sour taste in my mouth and I told myself that I would never, ever write an essay like that again. With that one exception, I have never wrote or posted negatively concerning a pro-White since. I don't care if it's a one man operation or a group of people, if it‘s pro-White, that‘s good enough for me. Like the old saying that mothers would tell their children “if you don’t have anything good to say about someone, don’t say anything at all.” That’s how I feel about pro-Whites.

Whites need more shows like HT’s on the internet. No matter what anyone thinks, it does have an effect. People do hear the message and they do gain understanding and really, that’s our only hope. Whites have no other hope outside of awakening other Whites and hopefully one day we together, as a race, can and will make changes. I mean I don’t know if everyone realizes this or not but, Whites are sucking hind titty, it’s obvious we can’t elect politicians who will help our cause because if anyone holds pro-White views --- > they won’t get elected. It’s obvious we can’t assassinate all those that do us harm. And what should be more obvious is, we really don’t have anything going for us (as a group). I hate to be so blunt but . . . we don’t have shit! We have a lot of informative sites on the internet, we have some decent broadcast, vids etc but, when it gets right down to it, that’s all we’ve got.

If something is happening in this country, some kind of action, some kind of a movement or anything that benefits us, as a race, is taking place, where is it? I mean I have been busy working a lot lately, maybe I missed something, ahh, where is it? What am I missing? Are we making moves’ somewhere? Last time I looked, jews still rule over us. We’re still dying in the Middle East, we’re still paying 50% or more of our incomes in federal taxes with most of it being paid to the jew federal reserve as interest payments on the “deficit,” we’re still being robbed, assaulted and murdered in the streets, our women are still being slapped down, drug into alleyways and raped, with some being beat to death. The third world invasion continues, our politicians are still sucking jew ass with most of our presidential candidates falling at the feet of the jew while explaining what all they will do for them if elected. Did I miss something? Aren’t we yet losing ground? Isn’t the evil and satanic jew still yet gaining more and more power over us? Maybe I’m wrong and we need to go to the next level by starting on all those ‘bad, bad’ Whites like HT?

Where lies our hope? By trashing and ruining HT? Oh boy, let’s f*ck over HT now, thata’ show em.‘ We’ll have those jews, nigs and spigs by the balls then. We’ll ‘out’ HT, yea, he’s buying groceries with the money ‘they’ sent him, that’s just not right, let’s all f*ck him over, we’ll stop THIS sh*t.

Our ONLY hope, albeit a small hope, lies in awakening our people. Hopefully someday we can make changes. If there’s something besides waking up our race, what else is there? Screwing over people like HT and keep the ppl sleeping? I’ve heard people say “after we wake them up, what are we suppose to do?“ That’s like the million dollar question man, I don’t have the answers. All I know is . . . WTF do we accomplish if they keep sleeping?

Why worry about what HT does with his donations anyway? The ppl complaining aren’t the ones sending them. So why are “some” ppl so worried about it? Gripe about what the jew does with your money, you ARE sending it to them! Don’t worry about WTF kind of car HT drives, even if you just sent him a couple dollars, you don’t own the man. Sheesh. I’m more worried about why Whites are driving tanks, hummers, flying jets, helicopters etc. while fighting and dying in a jew war. That concerns me more that what kind of a vehicle a pro-White drives. Unless he “pushes” a “ride” with a leopard skin top, wide white walls, a large obnoxious hood ornament (to thrill the oncoming traffic), and playboy dice dangling from the mirror, I don’t give a f*ck what kind of car a SOB drives. Sheessssh.

Gee, personally I think HT, since he’s pro-White and everything, should be pushing a tamale cart wagon around. Listen, if you are sooo worried that you are donating to a person that drives a decent car, don’t donate. If it bothers you - do not donate! Just don’t try to tell other mofos what to do.

But like I said, maybe I’m missing something. Maybe we have other options. Maybe we don’t need people like HT taking OUR message to thousands of OUR people. Maybe we don’t need to send him a few dollars here and there to keep him going. Hey, remember, he may take some of that money and pay a couple dollars towards his rent . . . ooooh, ouuuucchhh . . . gosh, how awful. I think he should just move out of his condominium and do his show as well as the other shows on a park bench.

Is HT perfect? No. Does he piss me (and all of us) off every once in awhile? Sure. One time he took a comment that one of my net buds posted on his board and he cussed him, even after the guy told him, hey man, “I didn’t mean it like you thought . . . it was constructive criticism, I was trying to help,” HT took it the wrong way again and cussed the guy again! HT didn’t realize it but, the gentleman he was cussing had just sent him a hundred dollars. A hundred dollars that I also matched. I’ve sent money after that incident but, the other guy hasn’t. Matter of fact he has become hostile to Hal over it. But no, Hal’s not perfect and I understand some of the grievances concerning HT but, and again, we need MORE and MORE people just like him! We need more and more and more ppl SCEAMING OUR message. It’s OUR message and, that’s why I support him.

I've also sent checks to VNN and other pro-White sites. Matter of fact one check I sent to VNN was when I was banned from their forum. But, it didn’t matter, it was something I wanted to do. I’m not a virgin to being banned from forums anyway. Sh*t, mofos ban me all the time. You’re still reading this aren’t you? Anyway, I never asked what they did or will do with the money, I didn’t say, “hey man, you ARE going to spend every penny of this on VNN aren’t you?” And do you know why I didn‘t ask? Because I didn’t care. Plus, I didn’t send it with the lame attitude of . . . “you owe me now.“ I sent it because I w-a-n-t-e-d to.

All I can say to the folks who would rather not send pro-Whites groups or individuals donations, don't. Don't send anything. If there are certain pro-White sites you like and agree with and you want to send them a donation or donations - do it, send it - if not, then don’t. And if you don’t - don’t complain about those who do.

That’s my personal opinion concerning the matter. I just don’t understand how somebody is going to “warn” some motherf*cker about where they send their own damn money. Say what you want, tell me how I’m getting ripped off, how I am a sucker, how HT once did this or a couple of times he did that but, you’re not telling me anything I don’t already know BUT ----- > you are telling me something ---- > I don’t care about.

Respectively submitted.

Signed,

Sam the Sausagehead.



PS. Be glad when HT gets back up and running. Hope he don’t forget about the other shows he host. I may not always agree with any and all broadcast from pro-Whites but - VNN, HT, DD, P. Shaenk and all the others - keep up the good work - you all may very well be our last only hope.

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EXCELLENT!!!!!

Jim, when i say ghastly shit you guys couldn't think up i'm dead serious.

You don't have any idea of what these people will do to win a fight when push comes to shove. I'll post again in a bit, it takes some time to explain how jaded and brutal their minds can be not to mention how screwed up they are.

Be back in half a hour or so while i write up how to explain this.

You don't have any idea of what these people will do to win a fight when push comes to shove.

If i was an "anonymous", i'd be more worried about someone finding my home adress, name and family composition in 15 minutes than the way i'll react ;)

If i was an "anonymous", i'd be more worried about someone finding my home adress, name and family composition in 15 minutes than the way i'll react ;)
Whois queries dont give anything near a location of the persons address. Try it on yourself

I don't know why some White people worry so much about what it cost Hal to run his show and site etc. Either you are going to send him a $5 or a $10 or you're not. It's up to the individual. I just can’t understand all the “pro-Whites” who complain about the matter. And most, if not all, the ones doing the complaining listen to either his show or the other shows he host. Plus they read and browse his site. There must be something there, I mean if it’s such a bad site, bad shows, and such a raw deal - why even bother with it? Just stay the flock away from him and his site. Seems easy. But no, for whatever reason, these people seem to just have to ramble on and on about how much it cost and what he does with the money.

Sure, I've sent a couple of checks to him and to be perfectly honest about it, I hope he used some of it to take his family out to a nice restaurant. As far as I am concerned, he (his wife and his son) deserves it. Matter of fact, next check I send, I am sending a gift certificate for a local steakhouse. If the anti’s can harass him, his wife (and we know it must have some effect on his son as well) then I, as a White man, can at least do some little thing to bring a few moments of pleasure and enjoyment to the man and his family.

That is my personal opinion and it’s exactly how I feel. I've never asked Pastor Butler, Matt Hale, David Duke or any other person/group what they did with the money. Why? Because I really didn't care. I sent the money because I cared about the individual or group and I felt it a worthwhile cause and not because I was afraid they may pay the rent or buy a tire for their car or something else that ‘some people‘ may not approve of.

The number one excuse ppl have for NOT donating money to pro-White endeavors is because they claim ‘the recipient may use it to buy a sandwich or something.’ Oh my gosh, I just sent him $10 yesterday and look, today, ohh, ohhhh, ohhhh, I saw him at McDonald’s purchasing a big mac and, and, he even upsized his meal! Like really, who cares? Personally, I don’t.

I would imagine doing a radio show most nights takes much time and preparation. I’d hate to think of myself working eight hours a day and then sitting by the computer all evening doing my show plus the other shows. Not even to mention going through the messages, finding (or writing) news and commentary etc etc. Is there some kind of logical reasoning why anyone who commits that much time and energy SHOULDN’T be compensated for their efforts? Besides that, no one, not even HT can spend as much time on what he does and NOT be compensated. It just can’t happen. Sure he makes a profit on his work, as well as he should, in my opinion anyways. Does he conceal that fact? Yes and no. He has mentioned on more than one occasion that he does intend on making a profit. Although he does most times insinuate he is ‘just breaking even.’ I guess he’s afraid ppl will moan and groan more than they already do if he admitted it. Obviously he’s walking a tightrope and under much scrutiny. Really, he’s in a no-win situation. Most ppl can’t comprehend being pro-White AND making a few dollars at the same time. It’s like if you’re pro-White you must live in a mud hut, ride a donkey and just spend your life on talking about our enemies.

I guess I just don't get into griping about pro-Whites. Again, whether it's an individual or a group. The only essay I've EVER written negatively towards racially aware Whites was during the organizing of the Kingston rally. It really, REALLY pissed me off when 'certain' people and groups wouldn't assist. It was a three page rant and I guess what I wrote was a decent piece, I was a member of NNN at the time and WB posted it on the front page. And even though I told the truth and it probably needed to be said, it still left a sour taste in my mouth and I told myself that I would never, ever write an essay like that again. With that one exception, I have never wrote or posted negatively concerning a pro-White since. I don't care if it's a one man operation or a group of people, if it‘s pro-White, that‘s good enough for me. Like the old saying that mothers would tell their children “if you don’t have anything good to say about someone, don’t say anything at all.” That’s how I feel about pro-Whites.

Whites need more shows like HT’s on the internet. No matter what anyone thinks, it does have an effect. People do hear the message and they do gain understanding and really, that’s our only hope. Whites have no other hope outside of awakening other Whites and hopefully one day we together, as a race, can and will make changes. I mean I don’t know if everyone realizes this or not but, Whites are sucking hind titty, it’s obvious we can’t elect politicians who will help our cause because if anyone holds pro-White views --- > they won’t get elected. It’s obvious we can’t assassinate all those that do us harm. And what should be more obvious is, we really don’t have anything going for us (as a group). I hate to be so blunt but . . . we don’t have shit! We have a lot of informative sites on the internet, we have some decent broadcast, vids etc but, when it gets right down to it, that’s all we’ve got.

If something is happening in this country, some kind of action, some kind of a movement or anything that benefits us, as a race, is taking place, where is it? I mean I have been busy working a lot lately, maybe I missed something, ahh, where is it? What am I missing? Are we making moves’ somewhere? Last time I looked, jews still rule over us. We’re still dying in the Middle East, we’re still paying 50% or more of our incomes in federal taxes with most of it being paid to the jew federal reserve as interest payments on the “deficit,” we’re still being robbed, assaulted and murdered in the streets, our women are still being slapped down, drug into alleyways and raped, with some being beat to death. The third world invasion continues, our politicians are still sucking jew ass with most of our presidential candidates falling at the feet of the jew while explaining what all they will do for them if elected. Did I miss something? Aren’t we yet losing ground? Isn’t the evil and satanic jew still yet gaining more and more power over us? Maybe I’m wrong and we need to go to the next level by starting on all those ‘bad, bad’ Whites like HT?

Where lies our hope? By trashing and ruining HT? Oh boy, let’s f*ck over HT now, thata’ show em.‘ We’ll have those jews, nigs and spigs by the balls then. We’ll ‘out’ HT, yea, he’s buying groceries with the money ‘they’ sent him, that’s just not right, let’s all f*ck him over, we’ll stop THIS sh*t.

Our ONLY hope, albeit a small hope, lies in awakening our people. Hopefully someday we can make changes. If there’s something besides waking up our race, what else is there? Screwing over people like HT and keep the ppl sleeping? I’ve heard people say “after we wake them up, what are we suppose to do?“ That’s like the million dollar question man, I don’t have the answers. All I know is . . . WTF do we accomplish if they keep sleeping?

Why worry about what HT does with his donations anyway? The ppl complaining aren’t the ones sending them. So why are “some” ppl so worried about it? Gripe about what the jew does with your money, you ARE sending it to them! Don’t worry about WTF kind of car HT drives, even if you just sent him a couple dollars, you don’t own the man. Sheesh. I’m more worried about why Whites are driving tanks, hummers, flying jets, helicopters etc. while fighting and dying in a jew war. That concerns me more that what kind of a vehicle a pro-White drives. Unless he “pushes” a “ride” with a leopard skin top, wide white walls, a large obnoxious hood ornament (to thrill the oncoming traffic), and playboy dice dangling from the mirror, I don’t give a f*ck what kind of car a SOB drives. Sheessssh.

Gee, personally I think HT, since he’s pro-White and everything, should be pushing a tamale cart wagon around. Listen, if you are sooo worried that you are donating to a person that drives a decent car, don’t donate. If it bothers you - do not donate! Just don’t try to tell other mofos what to do.

But like I said, maybe I’m missing something. Maybe we have other options. Maybe we don’t need people like HT taking OUR message to thousands of OUR people. Maybe we don’t need to send him a few dollars here and there to keep him going. Hey, remember, he may take some of that money and pay a couple dollars towards his rent . . . ooooh, ouuuucchhh . . . gosh, how awful. I think he should just move out of his condominium and do his show as well as the other shows on a park bench.

Is HT perfect? No. Does he piss me (and all of us) off every once in awhile? Sure. One time he took a comment that one of my net buds posted on his board and he cussed him, even after the guy told him, hey man, “I didn’t mean it like you thought . . . it was constructive criticism, I was trying to help,” HT took it the wrong way again and cussed the guy again! HT didn’t realize it but, the gentleman he was cussing had just sent him a hundred dollars. A hundred dollars that I also matched. I’ve sent money after that incident but, the other guy hasn’t. Matter of fact he has become hostile to Hal over it. But no, Hal’s not perfect and I understand some of the grievances concerning HT but, and again, we need MORE and MORE people just like him! We need more and more and more ppl SCEAMING OUR message. It’s OUR message and, that’s why I support him.

I've also sent checks to VNN and other pro-White sites. Matter of fact one check I sent to VNN was when I was banned from their forum. But, it didn’t matter, it was something I wanted to do. I’m not a virgin to being banned from forums anyway. Sh*t, mofos ban me all the time. You’re still reading this aren’t you? Anyway, I never asked what they did or will do with the money, I didn’t say, “hey man, you ARE going to spend every penny of this on VNN aren’t you?” And do you know why I didn‘t ask? Because I didn’t care. Plus, I didn’t send it with the lame attitude of . . . “you owe me now.“ I sent it because I w-a-n-t-e-d to.

All I can say to the folks who would rather not send pro-Whites groups or individuals donations, don't. Don't send anything. If there are certain pro-White sites you like and agree with and you want to send them a donation or donations - do it, send it - if not, then don’t. And if you don’t - don’t complain about those who do.

That’s my personal opinion concerning the matter. I just don’t understand how somebody is going to “warn” some motherf*cker about where they send their own damn money. Say what you want, tell me how I’m getting ripped off, how I am a sucker, how HT once did this or a couple of times he did that but, you’re not telling me anything I don’t already know BUT ----- > you are telling me something ---- > I don’t care about.

Respectively submitted.

Signed,

Sam the Sausagehead.



PS. Be glad when HT gets back up and running. Hope he don’t forget about the other shows he host. I may not always agree with any and all broadcast from pro-Whites but - VNN, HT, DD, P. Shaenk and all the others - keep up the good work - you all may very well be our last only hope.

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A(fuckin)men!

So... how much money do you need from your supporters this time?
I'm sure a few grand will allow you to find a new service provider, right?

You know what Hal? Anyone dumb enough to send money to a shitbag like you deserves to be ripped off. Fuck you and all your fans.

ADL or Fed? >>> ngrh8r <<< or cowardly keyboard commando?

Don't flame me please, this is educational in intent:

Chan: Channel.
Chan: Petal in Japanese.
Chan: Child in Japanese.

OK, get this and listen well.

The people hal are fighting are not a organized group, they are part of a Global Internet Culture that has THOUSANDS of websites, millions of members and way too much spare time.

To get a idea of the scale of this go to: http://shii.org/2ch/

See all those links to the left? Those are not links, they are all separate independently owned websites. If you click on one you will get a list of forum option choices. Those are all also independently owned websites. Now go to the very top of the list and click on the link that looks like this:

=( /b/ - Random )=

You will get a list of all /B/ locations that are linked to Over Chan, 26 i believe. These are only a few English sites, there are thousands more. When 4Chan crashed last month they moved to some Russian language chan board and stayed there for a few days. The ruskies were happy and they are now welcome visitors to 4Chan.They make great raiders with random NasBol shit that confuses the hell out of anyone even us.

The boards are designed so that they cannot store personal information. They do not have data bases backing them up. That means they go down easily but they pop up again easily as well. I could take anyone here into a IM conversation and tell you how to make one within a hour.

It is impossible for Hal to shut them down, most of them are in nations where his content is illegal. If it went to court they would be heroes and Hal would be thrown in jail if he entered the nation in question.

Most people who post on these boards use it in a totally normal manner, hanging out on forums that pertain to their interests such as food, mecha, weapons or Paper craft. Some get caught up in the unfettered freedom that is /B/-random and use it to attack people because they think it's funny. They think i's funny to go bug some guy like Hal or some other stuck up guy/gal and have a few laughs.

Usually that's all they do. A few bits of funny/shocking spam and a prank call or two using skype or a prepaid phone. They get a few laughs and that's it. If a few guys get caught big deal, they didn't take basic measures to make sure they didn't get screwed over for what they did.

The problem was that a joke call on Hal's show ended with him threatening to have minors killed. A joke or a prank is one thing but saying you were going to kill kids (no matter how wrong they might be) is not right.

So Hal got slammed. Slammed hard. Folks who would never give a damn about a few obnoxious folks like the raider crowd stood in line to protect those kids. Simple images that told you how to get a proxy in 3 easy steps were posted. Same with how to use Wget and bandwidth vampires. Hal's personal info. Hundreds of thousands of people were informed as to how with minimal effort they could bother hal. A few hundred spent the $20 to buy a prepaid cellphone and order him a zillion pizzas and stuff like that in his name.

The only reason it started is because he threated a few kids. The kids were not right but he was far more out of line asking for them to be killed then they were for bugging him.

Now here's where it gets scary. The WN might have a few guys who might beat someone to death or shoot them if they get caught. Scary to be sure.

Here's really scary:

http://encyclopedia/index.php/Hal_Turner

Read this and then scroll down to this and listen:

http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/1d/Raidloli.mp3

Frecka says she is 14. She's not. She's 12. TWELEVE. 12 years old.

Note Hal saying he is going to "smack you around" to a child that is evidently a bit more level headed than him at the moment.

She cannot be charged with a crime, she is below the legal age of culpability. She is manipulative as all hell. She is very smart and charismatic not to mention flat out evil. She has seen everything on /B/ and is jaded to it. Half the raids that get launched are because she or someone like her asked for it.

There are dozens of people like her, people who are more or less invulnerable to anything you could do to them.

At any given time there are around a dozen girls like this floating around, they get treated as near demi gods because everyone is afraid of them. They are legal toxic waste, there is no legal battle you can start with one that will not end in horror for you if you do not do as they demand.

http://www.lurkmore.com/chanchan/ usually has around 2-3 at any given time making folks worship them. I have seen mods try to ban them because of their age, their usual response is threaten the mod with saying he hit on them and that he asked them for pornographic pictures. Mods don't fuck with Chans (Japanese; Child) if they know what's good for them.

So how does this affect Hal? Here's why.

I would disapprove of this but if he wants to threaten children then he deserves to have children fight back. It's still wrong on so many levels but this is where this crap is headed:

Last month i stared at a thread where these girls fanboys were harping on how the girlscould not be charged with a crime and what they could do with that. Two of the girls made a game of it and posted a thread which amounted to “what is the worst thing we could do to someone?”

Here's what they came up with:

One would pose as a “victim” and the other as a “predator.”

Once they had the plan set up the “Victim” would reinstall windows thus formatting her drive and erasing any record of her previous activities. The second one would use personal info about the target (Hal,or White would apply here although anyone could be a target) to create a email address in their name, a IM name and most importantly a bank account via pay pal.

How to create a pay pay account in the targets name? Easy. They post a thread on some random image board asking who lives near the target without naming the target. In the original thread dozens of people popped up and said they would do anything the girls asked. Mind you the girls get constant offers of Cameras, toys and hard cash. Anonymous is a sucker for a few mouthy 12 year olds with brains and a mean streak. They can find a patsy, easily.

Once they have someone who lives near the target they butter them up and get them to buy a money order of $20 with cash to start a pay pal account using the targets personal info. It is dropped of with the targets return address in a mail box in the targets home town.

Meanwhile the second girl (who also cannot be charged with a crime) sets up email accounts, irc accounts, IM accounts, and a ebay account in the targets name linked to the above mentioned pay pay account..

Then the first girl (the “victim”) starts a on line relationship with the second girl (the “Predator or target”) who is posing as the target. She is being coached by a few fanatical fans who have studied the targets writing style so everything she writes sounds like something the target would say.

The guy who did the Money order drop mails a few items in the targets name that were sold via the Ebay account. Small things like watches or rings, things that fit into a envelope and can be mailed with no one noticing. In the targets home town, with his return address.

So now we have a bank account (pay pal is a bank folks) a email address (linked to the Pay pal and Ebay accounts) and a mess of emails, IM histories, postal items and maybe even a few letters near the end in the targets name linking him to this 12/13/14 year old girl.

They fake correspondence where the target preys on the “victim” and eventually asks her for pictures. She e-mails them to the e-mail address linked to the targets Ebay and Pay pay accounts. The “target” then sets up a second pay pay account (with “his ebay income”) and tells her he'll let her use it if she sends some more pictures, this time with less clothes on. She obliges.

Then the second girl (the fake Predator) resets her computer and reinstalls windows, formatting the hard drive.

The “Victim” fakes a break down in school and “comes's clean” about all the horrible things she's done, she's so sorry she sent that nice man naked pictures of her.

You know how the story ends. She's a national hero; “i only talked to the guy because i though it was right to fight Nazis, after i finished my bit on the crank call he was different, such a nice guy. Hal said it was all a act for LOLZ, later on he met me on IRC. I'm so sorry i sent him all those naked pictures he asked for, is he OK? He's such a nice guy...”

Seriously, they have 12 year olds that are being coached on how to become the ultimate weapon. The big problem is that they can only do it once per girl. However the first one that does will become a legend, they will get massive attention and publicity. The next ones will of course try to outdo her. A new Chan (12.13.14 year old girl) shows up every month or so, don't fear the bandwidth attacks fear the children. Not only can they do this but it's the girls who came up with the idea.

Lord of the Flies has nothing on a smart 12 year old with no morals to speak of that has been desensitized by /B/

There are many details in this that i am leaving out due to time and legal constraints, “Frecka” was not actually one of the ones to come up with this evil idea i just mentioned her as the one you (WNs) would be most likely to know about.

Like i said, these are some fucked up folks. It all gets down to Hal threatening those kids, if he reminded everyone that he apologized for that (which he did, kudos Hal) and just ignored them for a week or two it would all be over.

There is no way this will end well for anyone unless everyone just walks away from all the BS, why is that so hard to do? If you are fighting a pointless battle that is unwinable then step back, walk away and go on with your life. That goes not for just the Hal-Chan thing but for life in general.

If you spend every day of your life ramming your head up against a brick wall don't be surprised if you die without ever having moved forward.

http://encyclopedia/index.php/Hal_Turner


This link doesn't work.

Yikes! Sorry.
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Hal_Turner

Please note it's *very* sarcastic, however the details (from their point of view) are more or less correct, try to get past the twisted humor.

I'm not sure I comprehend. Is this what they mean to do?

Don't flame me please, this is educational in intent:

Chan: Channel.
Chan: Petal in Japanese.
Chan: Child in Japanese.

OK, get this and listen well.

The people hal are fighting are not a organized group, they are part of a Global Internet Culture that has THOUSANDS of websites, millions of members and way too much spare time.

To get a idea of the scale of this go to: http://shii.org/2ch/

See all those links to the left? Those are not links, they are all separate independently owned websites. If you click on one you will get a list of forum option choices. Those are all also independently owned websites. Now go to the very top of the list and click on the link that looks like this:

=( /b/ - Random )=

You will get a list of all /B/ locations that are linked to Over Chan, 26 i believe. These are only a few English sites, there are thousands more. When 4Chan crashed last month they moved to some Russian language chan board and stayed there for a few days. The ruskies were happy and they are now welcome visitors to 4Chan.They make great raiders with random NasBol shit that confuses the hell out of anyone even us.

The boards are designed so that they cannot store personal information. They do not have data bases backing them up. That means they go down easily but they pop up again easily as well. I could take anyone here into a IM conversation and tell you how to make one within a hour.

It is impossible for Hal to shut them down, most of them are in nations where his content is illegal. If it went to court they would be heroes and Hal would be thrown in jail if he entered the nation in question.

Most people who post on these boards use it in a totally normal manner, hanging out on forums that pertain to their interests such as food, mecha, weapons or Paper craft. Some get caught up in the unfettered freedom that is /B/-random and use it to attack people because they think it's funny. They think i's funny to go bug some guy like Hal or some other stuck up guy/gal and have a few laughs.

Usually that's all they do. A few bits of funny/shocking spam and a prank call or two using skype or a prepaid phone. They get a few laughs and that's it. If a few guys get caught big deal, they didn't take basic measures to make sure they didn't get screwed over for what they did.

The problem was that a joke call on Hal's show ended with him threatening to have minors killed. A joke or a prank is one thing but saying you were going to kill kids (no matter how wrong they might be) is not right.

So Hal got slammed. Slammed hard. Folks who would never give a damn about a few obnoxious folks like the raider crowd stood in line to protect those kids. Simple images that told you how to get a proxy in 3 easy steps were posted. Same with how to use Wget and bandwidth vampires. Hal's personal info. Hundreds of thousands of people were informed as to how with minimal effort they could bother hal. A few hundred spent the $20 to buy a prepaid cellphone and order him a zillion pizzas and stuff like that in his name.

The only reason it started is because he threated a few kids. The kids were not right but he was far more out of line asking for them to be killed then they were for bugging him.

Now here's where it gets scary. The WN might have a few guys who might beat someone to death or shoot them if they get caught. Scary to be sure.

Here's really scary:

http://encyclopedia/index.php/Hal_Turner

Read this and then scroll down to this and listen:

http://pr0n.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/1d/Raidloli.mp3

Frecka says she is 14. She's not. She's 12. TWELEVE. 12 years old.

Note Hal saying he is going to "smack you around" to a child that is evidently a bit more level headed than him at the moment.

She cannot be charged with a crime, she is below the legal age of culpability. She is manipulative as all hell. She is very smart and charismatic not to mention flat out evil. She has seen everything on /B/ and is jaded to it. Half the raids that get launched are because she or someone like her asked for it.

There are dozens of people like her, people who are more or less invulnerable to anything you could do to them.

At any given time there are around a dozen girls like this floating around, they get treated as near demi gods because everyone is afraid of them. They are legal toxic waste, there is no legal battle you can start with one that will not end in horror for you if you do not do as they demand.

http://www.lurkmore.com/chanchan/ usually has around 2-3 at any given time making folks worship them. I have seen mods try to ban them because of their age, their usual response is threaten the mod with saying he hit on them and that he asked them for pornographic pictures. Mods don't fuck with Chans (Japanese; Child) if they know what's good for them.

So how does this affect Hal? Here's why.

I would disapprove of this but if he wants to threaten children then he deserves to have children fight back. It's still wrong on so many levels but this is where this crap is headed:

Last month i stared at a thread where these girls fanboys were harping on how the girlscould not be charged with a crime and what they could do with that. Two of the girls made a game of it and posted a thread which amounted to “what is the worst thing we could do to someone?”

Here's what they came up with:

One would pose as a “victim” and the other as a “predator.”

Once they had the plan set up the “Victim” would reinstall windows thus formatting her drive and erasing any record of her previous activities. The second one would use personal info about the target (Hal,or White would apply here although anyone could be a target) to create a email address in their name, a IM name and most importantly a bank account via pay pal.

How to create a pay pay account in the targets name? Easy. They post a thread on some random image board asking who lives near the target without naming the target. In the original thread dozens of people popped up and said they would do anything the girls asked. Mind you the girls get constant offers of Cameras, toys and hard cash. Anonymous is a sucker for a few mouthy 12 year olds with brains and a mean streak. They can find a patsy, easily.

Once they have someone who lives near the target they butter them up and get them to buy a money order of $20 with cash to start a pay pal account using the targets personal info. It is dropped of with the targets return address in a mail box in the targets home town.

Meanwhile the second girl (who also cannot be charged with a crime) sets up email accounts, irc accounts, IM accounts, and a ebay account in the targets name linked to the above mentioned pay pay account..

Then the first girl (the “victim”) starts a on line relationship with the second girl (the “Predator or target”) who is posing as the target. She is being coached by a few fanatical fans who have studied the targets writing style so everything she writes sounds like something the target would say.

The guy who did the Money order drop mails a few items in the targets name that were sold via the Ebay account. Small things like watches or rings, things that fit into a envelope and can be mailed with no one noticing. In the targets home town, with his return address.

So now we have a bank account (pay pal is a bank folks) a email address (linked to the Pay pal and Ebay accounts) and a mess of emails, IM histories, postal items and maybe even a few letters near the end in the targets name linking him to this 12/13/14 year old girl.

They fake correspondence where the target preys on the “victim” and eventually asks her for pictures. She e-mails them to the e-mail address linked to the targets Ebay and Pay pay accounts. The “target” then sets up a second pay pay account (with “his ebay income”) and tells her he'll let her use it if she sends some more pictures, this time with less clothes on. She obliges.

Then the second girl (the fake Predator) resets her computer and reinstalls windows, formatting the hard drive.

The “Victim” fakes a break down in school and “comes's clean” about all the horrible things she's done, she's so sorry she sent that nice man naked pictures of her.

You know how the story ends. She's a national hero; “i only talked to the guy because i though it was right to fight Nazis, after i finished my bit on the crank call he was different, such a nice guy. Hal said it was all a act for LOLZ, later on he met me on IRC. I'm so sorry i sent him all those naked pictures he asked for, is he OK? He's such a nice guy...”

Seriously, they have 12 year olds that are being coached on how to become the ultimate weapon. The big problem is that they can only do it once per girl. However the first one that does will become a legend, they will get massive attention and publicity. The next ones will of course try to outdo her. A new Chan (12.13.14 year old girl) shows up every month or so, don't fear the bandwidth attacks fear the children. Not only can they do this but it's the girls who came up with the idea.

Lord of the Flies has nothing on a smart 12 year old with no morals to speak of that has been desensitized by /B/

There are many details in this that i am leaving out due to time and legal constraints, “Frecka” was not actually one of the ones to come up with this evil idea i just mentioned her as the one you (WNs) would be most likely to know about.

Like i said, these are some fucked up folks. It all gets down to Hal threatening those kids, if he reminded everyone that he apologized for that (which he did, kudos Hal) and just ignored them for a week or two it would all be over.

There is no way this will end well for anyone unless everyone just walks away from all the BS, why is that so hard to do? If you are fighting a pointless battle that is unwinable then step back, walk away and go on with your life. That goes not for just the Hal-Chan thing but for life in general.

If you spend every day of your life ramming your head up against a brick wall don't be surprised if you die without ever having moved forward.

Are you saying that this is what they mean to do?

Are you saying that this is what they mean to do?

It is pretty clear that that is what they have already done, it was also on several webpages on various occasions , and the entire internet watched it happen so there's no denying this. Hal Turner is the laughing stock of this generation of internet users. =)

I'm not sure I comprehend. Is this what they mean to do?

No, it's the sort of thing they have thought of doing but have not found a suitable target for. Eventually they will do it to someone, who is the question.

I seriously doubt it will be Hal, they kinda like him lately. Everyone else in the WN movement is either polite, (VNN) mature, (Bill White) or sucks up and asks not to get bothered (SF).

I was just thinking of all the threats and crap people issued over a really minor load of internet crap and then remembered the horrible thread i had read a while back where the girls were talking about what rotten things they could do.

With the SF pedo thing going on the idea that something so vile as what i mentioned above was being thought of seriously was something i believed should be brought to your attention.

There are so many folks who are wasting time on such a non issue, saying threats and the like. I don't understand what this does for anyone. You've got Hal saying he's going to kill a bunch of kids and you've got kids saying they are thinking of a less lethal (but far more scary) threat as i mentioned above.

Seriously, this is like the Special Olympics: No matter who wins they both are retarded. Everything about the issue is stupid. Why can't everyone just walk away?

Hal bin Turdner is a Jewvandal bucket of spooge! He is not one of us and I won't accept him as a fellow Aryan! He can f-k himself for crying for donationz!

and then remembered the horrible thread i had read a while back where the girls were talking about what rotten things they could do.



That's why, for a while there...the MSM was reporting that blacks were using little niglets to sell drugs (I'm sure it's still very common) to the suburban teenagers who dared to drive into the ghettos to "score."

They knew the little niglets couldn't be touched by the law, and the little niglets of course were happy makin' G money so they could buy their bling. ;)

BTW, thanks for that long, very interesting post.


-Jim

That's why, for a while there...the MSM was reporting that blacks were using little niglets to sell drugs (I'm sure it's still very common) to the suburban teenagers who dared to drive into the ghettos to "score."

They knew the little niglets couldn't be touched by the law, and the little niglets of course were happy makin' G money so they could buy their bling.

BTW, thanks for that long, very interesting post.

You are more or less correct although i would not have used the word niglets no matter how damn funny it is.

Here the only real change is the niglets and the drug lords are often the same person and they tend to be very rich and white. And Catholic for some reason, rich Catholic girls+internet=EVIL.

Seriously, this is like the Special Olympics: No matter who wins they both are retarded. Everything about the issue is stupid. Why can't everyone just walk away?
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4171/argueti0.jpg

I'm curious, Hal had stated that his show would have been back up as of yesterday (correct me if I'm wrong on that), but I've seen no activity on the site. Is it back up? I mean, my isp was just bought by AT&T so that's probably the problem, but if he's blocking all AT&T customers, won't he lose a signifigant portion of his listener base? Considering that almost all of the smaller companies in various areas are being consolidated back into AT&T like they were in the 80's, it would probably be more reasonable to just continue logging as he has and continuing to report the abuse to their isp's.

Anyhow, what's the word on the show?

Hal's site is back but messed up, like images & stuff.

Also, i find it hilarious that you say "these kids cannot be charged". That is correct but when a kid commits a crime, the parents can be held responsible for it.

Whooops, so not only are the parents gonna find out they need to pay a hell of a fine, the kid will most likely get OWNED by the parents themselves :D

I've found more often than not kids do shit like this because their parents just don't care to be, well, parents.

Sounds like these young girls are already bitches. When they get older they'll probably end up being flaming cunts.

I CAN'T WAIT till the people responsible for this shit are identified!

I think Hal mentioned on his last show that a few of them were already starting to "sing," in hopes of making a deal, and/or getting a lighter sentence. :D

Just looking at some of the sick shit on a few of those sites leads one to believe that a few of these pathetic individuals aren't going to have a problem with being tossed into a locked cage with a bunch of fucking buck niggers, while being forced to wear pink panties. ;)


-Jim
YANKEE_JIM have you been lurking around /men/ and /y/ again?

No, it's the sort of thing they have thought of doing but have not found a suitable target for. Eventually they will do it to someone, who is the question.

I seriously doubt it will be Hal, they kinda like him lately. Everyone else in the WN movement is either polite, (VNN) mature, (Bill White) or sucks up and asks not to get bothered (SF).

I was just thinking of all the threats and crap people issued over a really minor load of internet crap and then remembered the horrible thread i had read a while back where the girls were talking about what rotten things they could do.

With the SF pedo thing going on the idea that something so vile as what i mentioned above was being thought of seriously was something i believed should be brought to your attention.

There are so many folks who are wasting time on such a non issue, saying threats and the like. I don't understand what this does for anyone. You've got Hal saying he's going to kill a bunch of kids and you've got kids saying they are thinking of a less lethal (but far more scary) threat as i mentioned above.

Seriously, this is like the Special Olympics: No matter who wins they both are retarded. Everything about the issue is stupid. Why can't everyone just walk away?

So if this happens, we know it was set up. Thank you for the information.

Hal's site is back but messed up, like images & stuff.




Looks like it's back to normal.

The links to the last shows that got shut down are in the left margin.

http://halturnershow.com/


-Jim

You do realize as a SysAdmin its your responsibility to filter out attacks. If one ip is hurling a lot of traffic your way its your job to ban them. You have no way of knowing if this was a compromised machine or if it was completely intentional. The problem here for you is when its a few hundred ips constantly refreshing your page its your job to ban them theres hundreds of dos solutions that would do that for you, why you have still chosen to not go that route I haven't a clue.

Now when you're getting ddos'd the first d obviously being distributed. Theres not much you can do at all, the problem here for you is all you've got is hundreds of thousands of ips of compromised machines. You're essentially suing hundreds if not thousands of people who were too stupid to secure their machine and fortunately for them that is not a crime. For that fact you are probably putting yourself at a great risk to be counter-sued.

Your handling of the entire situation leaves one to believe you should clearly not be managing your own machine as you are incapable. The lack of knowledge towards the attacks against you is simply sad. You need to know how things work before you go off suing people. Then again this is probably why 80% of your case was thrown out.

Why you insist on dragging your problems to other sites or properly securing your site, I haven't a clue. Good luck with the rest of your case Mr Turner, you will need it.


I did exactly the job you mentioned! I did, in fact, spend hours and hours monitoring the server, detecting abusing IP's then banning them in the firewall.

Not a single portion of my case was thrown out. Not even one count. Maybe you ought to get your facts straight before you type?

My request for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) was denied because the parties to the suit were not there in court to speak for themselves on January 19. Every other aspect of the suit is still valid and pending.

Once the subpoenas are answered disclosing the owners and home addresses of the named web sites, they will be served and will be required to appear in court when I bring my motion for TRO again.

You talk as though I didn't do something that I should have or am too stupid to know what to do. Not so. I did everything possible. Firewall banning. Bandwidth throttling, IPsecurity tables and even shut the machine down. When all that didn't work, I asked for and got the network engineers at Net Access Corporation to do everything they knew how to do.

I guess maybe the network engineers at that data center must be stupid too, right?

A defendant would simply say "Uh, no.? That's not me." And then he's off the hook. IP's do not give a persons identity. ISPs can't prove it either, and logs are automatically deleted more or less after 30 days. It's been past 30 days.



"I just liked his site and had it on auto-refresh to see the latest news. Sorry, I didn't know refreshing too many times was a crime."
or
"My friend gave me this link which did things I wasnt sure what it was. I cuoldn't stop it"


Once again, you're completely wrong. An IP addresss can most definitely be traced to a specific person as follows:

On dial-up accounts, all ISP's get the CALLER ID tag of the inbound phone line and log them. If they CALLER ID is blocked, the login still requires a user name and password.

User names and passwords are sort of like automobile license plates. The plate always comes back to the owner and if the car is involved in something, either the owner says who was driving, or the owner is held responsible. This happens every single day with Toll evaders in EZ PASS lanes on highways, hit and run car accidents and a host of other situations.

So the user name and password bag the "owner" for dial-up access.

On DSL and Cable modems, only approved modems can access systems. Each DSL and each Cable Modem have a "MAC ADDRESS." It is on the serial number card on each modem. That MAC address is linked to a specific owner and must be manually entered into the DSL or cable ISP before the modem will work on that system.

So again, it can all be traced.

As for "I couldn't stop it, . . . ." there's that simple little thing called the off switch. Or the electrical plug.

You seem to be trying to make a whole slew of excuses; I wonder why?

Incidentally, none of the excuses will work.

Once again, you're completely wrong. An IP addresss can most definitely be traced to a specific person as follows:

On dial-up accounts, all ISP's get the CALLER ID tag of the inbound phone line and log them. If they CALLER ID is blocked, the login still requires a user name and password.

User names and passwords are sort of like automobile license plates. The plate always comes back to the owner and if the car is involved in something, either the owner says who was driving, or the owner is held responsible. This happens every single day with Toll evaders in EZ PASS lanes on highways, hit and run car accidents and a host of other situations.

So the user name and password bag the "owner" for dial-up access.

On DSL and Cable modems, only approved modems can access systems. Each DSL and each Cable Modem have a "MAC ADDRESS." It is on the serial number card on each modem. That MAC address is linked to a specific owner and must be manually entered into the DSL or cable ISP before the modem will work on that system.

So again, it can all be traced.

As for "I couldn't stop it, . . . ." there's that simple little thing called the off switch. Or the electrical plug.

You seem to be trying to make a whole slew of excuses; I wonder why?

Incidentally, none of the excuses will work.


Can't you just go away so my pages will load faster? :)


-Jim

If hal is serious about what he said about just ignoring it on his site it should all be over in a week or two god willing.

If hal is serious about what he said about just ignoring it on his site it should all be over in a week or two god willing.


Hal just doesn't have that much common sense. He's going to spend the better part of 2007 antagonizing the chan crowd, and we're going to hear him piss and moan about it for years to come.

Once again, you're completely wrong. An IP addresss can most definitely be traced to a specific person as follows:



As for "I couldn't stop it, . . . ." there's that simple little thing called the off switch. Or the electrical plug.


Or blocking them at the IP level on your server, which has worked for everyone else involved.

The more you talk Hal, the more you seem pathetically technically incompetent -- which is almost more funny than your antics around this.

Or blocking them at the IP level on your server, which has worked for everyone else involved.

The more you talk Hal, the more you seem pathetically technically incompetent -- which is almost more funny than your antics around this.
don't mess with Hal meanie

Or blocking them at the IP level on your server, which has worked for everyone else involved.

The more you talk Hal, the more you seem pathetically technically incompetent -- which is almost more funny than your antics around this.


Problem is, you assume Hal wanted the attacks to stop.

Remember that Hal solicited the chan-clan himself, since he knew it would be yet another excuse to pry the cash out of White peoples' fingers.

don't mess with Hal meanie


So, are you a racialist Chan-er, or are you just here for the lulz?

Good point.

Problem is, you assume Hal wanted the attacks to stop.

Remember that Hal solicited the chan-clan himself, since he knew it would be yet another excuse to pry the cash out of White peoples' fingers.

So, are you a racialist Chan-er, or are you just here for the lulz?both




Hal provides great entertainment

So Hal's site is up now? I'm still unable to get it, even by way of several different proxies.

So Hal's site is up now? I'm still unable to get it, even by way of several different proxies.

Still down. Or down again ... depends on how you look at it.

So Hal's site is up now? I'm still unable to get it, even by way of several different proxies.

It's apparently down again. It was up about three hours ago, shortly after Yankee Jim reposted the URL.

Crap, if it wasn't for bad luck, Hal would have no luck at all.:(

Problem is, you assume Hal wanted the attacks to stop.

Remember that Hal solicited the chan-clan himself, since he knew it would be yet another excuse to pry the cash out of White peoples' fingers.

That is bullshit that the charlie chans put out and which Wiss spread about as he does. The pussy boy charlies were socenged in to doing the dirty work for antis. Liked the interview with eyeonhate anonymouse. I like how the "kids" who started this happened to be associated with them. Anonymouse was owned. Further, they would piss their pants if they got on the wrong side of the people us anti-semites attack constantly. That is why it will be a cold day in hell before you see any adl, pro-jew sites attacked. Also why it will be a cold day in hell we will give a shit's toss about our enemies' bum-boys and water carriers. If your controllers don't worry us, you sure as hell are of no concern. Just go back to the adulation of the rabbi dick munchers anonyherp.

How metzitzah b'peh spreads herpes

In metzitzah b'peh, the mohel places his mouth on the freshly circumcised penis to draw blood away from the cut. If the mohel is infected with oral herpes (as most adults are), metzitzah b'peh can expose the infant to the herpes virus. While severe illness associated with this practice may be rare , there is a definite risk of infection.

Hey Wiss, every group you've joined has suffered by association with you. Why is that?

Still down. Or down again ... depends on how you look at it.

It's apparently down again. It was up about three hours ago, shortly after Yankee Jim reposted the URL.

Crap, if it wasn't for bad luck, Hal would have no luck at all.

Thanks for the update guys. Maybe he'll be back up again soon.

Actually the plot that Frecka is hatching is a chargeable offense even at 12. The juvenile detention centers are full of children under 14 who thought they were smarter than the law.

What they are planning is identity theft and criminal fraud. With more than one involved in the planning, it's conspiracy. I see the fatal flaws in their plans, so any investigator or detective will as well. I read an article today about the FBI mass culling postings at hate sites. We can only hope this thread got picked up.

both




Hal provides great entertainment




Fair enough. If I had the technical abilty, I would've hacked Turnerstein long ago.

As a racialist, don't you see a problem when these attacks spill over into a White nationalist forum? I know VNN has it's bad points, but it truly is the ONLY forum where Whites are still entitled to free speech. Hell, you admit to your part in the attacks, and nobody has banned you. Don't you think that is worth protecting?

Hal went from a Jew hosting his computer to a gook. And in less than 24 hours, it appears the gook has kicked Hal off also.

http://oppforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=3a5920dab1d7cf65211fd92547e89f9f&topic=870.0

Maybe Hal can get VNN to host his network. But that would mean Hal would actually be doing business with white people. Hal will find a Jew to host it instead.

Server Outage (again) THE SHOW WILL GO ON! (http://turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com/)


-Jim

Hal went from a Jew hosting his computer to a gook.


Hey knott-c...is THIS (http://oppforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=3a5920dab1d7cf65211fd92547e89f9f&topic=870.0) pinko Floyd the commie?

http://www.epochtimes.com/i5/403091533450--ss.jpg


If so...the pathetic fucking drunk looks like he's got AIDS. :eek:


-Jim

the pathetic fucking drunk looks like he's got AIDS. :eek: -Jim


LMFWAO! That's the first thing that came to my mind, too. Another possibility is that it's a result of all the scag and meth that his type like to shoot up. It's quite possibly both, though.

What are you smoking tonight Yankee Jew?

Maybe if Hal would spend a few more bucks to deal with someone white instead of Jewish or Asian, then he wouldn't be having all these problems.

Ask yourself this Yankee Jew, why does Hal always do business with the non-white?

Does Hal ever allow you to play pitcher in your relationship with him?

What are you smoking tonight Yankee Jew?

Maybe if Hal would spend a few more bucks to deal with someone white instead of Jewish or Asian, then he wouldn't be having all these problems.

Ask yourself this Yankee Jew, why does Hal always do business with the non-white?

Does Hal ever allow you to play pitcher in your relationship with him?


What the fuck does any of that have to do with what I'm smoking knott-c? :confused:

And you listen to me boy...don't you be calling' me no fuckin' jew...got it?

I'm almost as fuckin' bad as you are from behind this monitor...ain't I? ;)


-Jim

What are you smoking tonight Yankee Jew?

Maybe if Hal would spend a few more bucks to deal with someone white instead of Jewish or Asian, then he wouldn't be having all these problems.

Ask yourself this Yankee Jew, why does Hal always do business with the non-white?

Does Hal ever allow you to play pitcher in your relationship with him?


Ya mean...all I gotta do is say "pinko Floyd the commie"? That's all it takes to make you go off like you just did? ;)


-Jim

What are you smoking tonight Yankee Jew?

Maybe if Hal would spend a few more bucks to deal with someone white instead of Jewish or Asian, then he wouldn't be having all these problems.

Ask yourself this Yankee Jew, why does Hal always do business with the non-white?

Does Hal ever allow you to play pitcher in your relationship with him?
Go back to your own website citizens against "hate" (should read citizens against Whites).

Yankee Jew's boyfriend, high as a kite.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4303/halju7.jpg

Yankee Jew's boyfriend, high as a kite.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4303/halju7.jpg


I mention pinko Floyd the commie (http://www.epochtimes.com/i5/403091533450--ss.jpg)...and you throw a hissie fit. PRICELESS! ;)


-Jim

Go back to your own website citizens against "hate" (should read citizens against Whites).

I propose Hal start doing business with white people instead of the Jew and I'm accused of being an anti???

Hal does the anti's the greatest favor in the world by stereotyping WN as violent goofys. The difference in WN now and 20 years ago is that the nutcases are now the voice of WN. 20 years ago, it was run by real men.

I view Hal and Floyd exactly the same. Both working to undermine WN. Just like you do.

Until kooks like Yankee Jew are flushed out, WN is going to remain a laughing stock. What happened to real men???

I propose Hal start doing business with white people instead of the Jew and I'm accused of being an anti???

Hal does the anti's the greatest favor in the world by stereotyping WN as violent goofys. The difference in WN now and 20 years ago is that the nutcases are now the voice of WN. 20 years ago, it was run by real men.
So you don't remember your discussions with White Will on this forum?

I propose Hal start doing business with white people instead of the Jew and I'm accused of being an anti???

Hal does the anti's the greatest favor in the world by stereotyping WN as violent goofys. The difference in WN now and 20 years ago is that the nutcases are now the voice of WN. 20 years ago, it was run by real men.

No, you're accused of being an anti because you get on here and flame proven activists like Yankee Jim. This is the same Yankee Jim who raised money from National Vanguard and presented a check to the American Cancer Society. This is the same Yankee Jim who stood tall in Kingston for Robbie Hedrick. And this is the same Yankee Jim who constantly scours the Web for opportunities to deliver our message.

And then, in your next post, you accuse Ron Doggett of "undermining white nationalism". WTF, over?:eek: This is the same Ron Doggett who stood tall with Glenn Miller during the glory days of the WPP and still promotes our cause at every opportunity.

You're right about the fact that the movement had more "boots on the ground" 20 years ago. However, back then, the political and economic consequences of involvement weren't as dire. People lose their jobs nowadays merely for distributing pro-white literature off the job or attending pro-white conferences. And with the exponential rise in housing prices, people are living closer to the edge financially. They have much less wiggle room. The loss of a job can actually cause the loss of a home in a short period of time. So they're more afraid of getting actively involved. Also remember that people have been subject to 20 more years of diversity brainwashing - it's more difficult to break through to people.

Hal Turner isn't perfect. But he's a master motivator and pundit - possibly a modern-day Julius Streicher. And Turner showed up at Kingston and exposed himself to the public and the antis. To put him in the same category as the emasculated race traitor Floyd Cockless is, to steal a line from Bill O'Reilly, the most ridiculous item of the day.

So tell us, Mister Perfect, are there ANY white activists who actually do meet your impossible standards of acheivement?:rolleyes:

20 years ago, it was run by real men.


Guess that would leave you out.

No, you're accused of being an anti because you get on here and flame proven activists like Yankee Jim. This is the same Yankee Jim who raised money from National Vanguard and presented a check to the American Cancer Society. This is the same Yankee Jim who stood tall in Kingston for Robbie Hedrick. And this is the same Yankee Jim who constantly scours the Web for opportunities to deliver our message.

And then, in your next post, you accuse Ron Doggett of "undermining white nationalism". WTF, over?:eek: This is the same Ron Doggett who stood tall with Glenn Miller during the glory days of the WPP and still promotes our cause at every opportunity.

You're right about the fact that the movement had more "boots on the ground" 20 years ago. However, back then, the political and economic consequences of involvement weren't as dire. People lose their jobs nowadays merely for distributing pro-white literature off the job or attending pro-white conferences. And with the exponential rise in housing prices, people are living closer to the edge financially. They have much less wiggle room. The loss of a job can actually cause the loss of a home in a short period of time. So they're more afraid of getting actively involved. Also remember that people have been subject to 20 more years of diversity brainwashing - it's more difficult to break through to people.

Hal Turner isn't perfect. But he's a master motivator and pundit - possibly a modern-day Julius Streicher. And Turner showed up at Kingston and exposed himself to the public and the antis. To put him in the same category as the emasculated race traitor Floyd Cockless is, to steal a line from Bill O'Reilly, the most ridiculous item of the day.

So tell us, Mister Perfect, are there ANY white activists who actually do meet your impossible standards of acheivement?:rolleyes:


At my lasy employer assholes called in on me all the time for passing out litature and slapping stickers up. I have had jerk offs call in on me at my present employer just because I wear White pride shirts. Just about all of these calls were done by guilt ridden, self hating whites.

So you don't remember your discussions with White Will on this forum?

White Will, who's that? Ohh, thats right--the guy who makes Linder shit his pants and run for cover.

At my lasy employer assholes called in on me all the time for passing out litature and slapping stickers up. I have had jerk offs call in on me at my present employer just because I wear White pride shirts. Just about all of these calls were done by guilt ridden, self hating whites.

We have some of that up here, too. I see people driving around with window stickers like "Aleut Pride", "Samoan Pride", "I am proud to be Native", etc. But I never see any White Pride bumper stickers. Aryan Wear (http://www.aryanwear.com)sells a bumper sticker I think is hilarious. It reads "My Boss Is An Austrian Painter". It's a spoof on that lemming sticker "My Boss Is A Jewish Carpenter".

Our people are our own worst enemy - but out of strong delusion. This is why some people on this forum want to give up on them and turn inward. But it's because our people are so deluded that I think they're still worth the outreach.

Our people are our own worst enemy - but out of strong delusion. This is why some people on this forum want to give up on them and turn inward. But it's because our people are so deluded that I think they're still worth the outreach.


You're right!

Our people are sheep! They need to be LED! They'll follow ANYBODY...even Henry Kissinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger)! :eek:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Henry_Kissinger.jpg/160px-Henry_Kissinger.jpg


-Jim

Remember that Hal solicited the chan-clan himself, since he knew it would be yet another excuse to pry the cash out of White peoples' fingers

That was a hoax, Hal didn't solicit them.

As a racialist, don't you see a problem when these attacks spill over into a White nationalist forum? I know VNN has it's bad points, but it truly is the ONLY forum where Whites are still entitled to free speech. Hell, you admit to your part in the attacks, and nobody has banned you. Don't you think that is worth protecting?

I'm not a racist but i agree on the free speech part, it's why i'm here.

That is bullshit that the charlie chans put out and which Wiss spread about as he does. The pussy boy charlies were socenged in to doing the dirty work for antis. Liked the interview with eyeonhate anonymouse. I like how the "kids" who started this happened to be associated with them. Anonymouse was owned. Further, they would piss their pants if they got on the wrong side of the people us anti-semites attack constantly. That is why it will be a cold day in hell before you see any adl, pro-jew sites attacked. Also why it will be a cold day in hell we will give a shit's toss about our enemies' bum-boys and water carriers. If your controllers don't worry us, you sure as hell are of no concern. Just go back to the adulation of the rabbi dick munchers anonyherp.

The eye on hate people had to edit the interview several times on threat of attack themselves BTW. They wanted to protray Anon as a pro anti group and they insisted that it be made clear that was not the case.

Having the anti guys around was just another weapon, the anti folks are actually trying to disengage as they have been getting threatened alot due to misrepresention of anon. Using Anon as a personal army is a sure fire way to get attacked yourself, something the anti/ARA types are worried about.

Actually the plot that Frecka is hatching is a chargeable offense even at 12. The juvenile detention centers are full of children under 14 who thought they were smarter than the law.

What they are planning is identity theft and criminal fraud. With more than one involved in the planning, it's conspiracy. I see the fatal flaws in their plans, so any investigator or detective will as well. I read an article today about the FBI mass culling postings at hate sites. We can only hope this thread got picked up.

Not Frecka's plot, another pair thought that up. Frecka is just a raider and not really evil. Frecka is just a clever kid having fun, nothing more.

Hey Hal, nice last show, 30 minutes of you whining on how butthurt you were by anonymous, then cut off. Good job!

Howd I know youd be on this thread? You seem to always show up when Hal does.

I'm not a racist but i agree on the free speech part, it's why i'm here.





Not everyone here is what you would call a "hardcore racist." Myself, I would say I'm more of a racial realist, who's primary concern is with the Zionist NWO genocide against Whites, and other races . Palestinians being the #1 reciever of abuse at the present time.

I view Hal and Floyd exactly the same. Both working to undermine WN. Just like you do.

Until kooks like Yankee Jew are flushed out, WN is going to remain a laughing stock. What happened to real men???
Real men? I don't know who you are, but, you're no real man. How can you be when there is no denying what all Jim has done, but you're going to call him a jew? Run along to Jewfront, little one, seems to be where you belong.

Until morons and idiots like you are flushed out, WN is just going to keep heading down the path it has been heading down under the "leadership" of people like Don Black.

This post, and accompanying link, are most interesting in the entire thread. If accurate Hal Turner made a terrific miscalculation and blunder. ( Of course, who here knew anything about "chans" before this incident ? )

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=493242&postcount=138

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Hal_Turner

In addition, the infrastructure of the chans, as described by Princzessin, is quite interesting. In fact the techniques and ramifications of which ought to be considered by WN'sts.

Edit: this one (Necrotech)

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=493207&postcount=134

http://www.epochtimes.com/i5/403091533450--ss.jpg



-Jim
ewwww *pukes*

you just ruined my entire day


thanks a lot!:(

I am pleased to say my radio show WILL air live tonight from 9:00 - 11:00 PM eastern U.S. Time, despite my present server troubles.

To tune-in LIVE, click http://66.90.103.144:8192/listen.pls

To call-in and speak on the air, dial 201-484-7809

For the time being, I am using two blogs to maintain at least some type of internet presence. They are

HalTurnerShow.blogspot.com (http://HalTurnerShow.blogspot.com)

and

TurnerRadioNetwork.blogspot.com (http://TurnerRadioNetwork.blogspot.com)

I have also installed "PEERCAST" to take advantage of peer-to-peer (p2p) technology.

Those of you who are interested in this developing brand of media, which will also allow me to offer streaming VIDEO, can download the software at www.Peercast.org The download is a very small, simple one-click installation and, of course, it is free.

How to create a pay pay account in the targets name? Easy. They post a thread on some random image board asking who lives near the target without naming the target. In the original thread dozens of people popped up and said they would do anything the girls asked. Mind you the girls get constant offers of Cameras, toys and hard cash. Anonymous is a sucker for a few mouthy 12 year olds with brains and a mean streak. They can find a patsy, easily.

Once they have someone who lives near the target they butter them up and get them to buy a money order of $20 with cash to start a pay pal account using the targets personal info. It is dropped of with the targets return address in a mail box in the targets home town.


This is bullshit.

"The Night of The LIVING TEENYBOPPERS!!!!" <rolleyes>

This post, and accompanying link, are most interesting in the entire thread. If accurate Hal Turner made a terrific miscalculation and blunder. ( Of course, who here knew anything about "chans" before this incident ? )

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=493242&postcount=138

In addition, the infrastructure of the chans, as described by Princzessin, is quite interesting. In fact the techniques and ramifications of which ought to be considered by WN'sts.



Thanks. I thought that the post originally made by Necrotech was noteworthy enough to respond to, as I didn't care at all for what it described. If some kid attempts this, then that whole plan will be foiled.
At any rate, I think that us Hal fans are going to move on from the situation and on to the news.
And by the way, I wish that all of us could unite as white people who stand for the same thing. Because we do! We all have differences in opinion, and some of us may not like the other. But we need to stand by our own. Alot of us feel the sting of diversity at the deepest level. My own opinion- Non whites are always stalking after me and it's scary. The spick with the staring problem. The baboon man with the monkey eyes. Probably also after many other of the ladies in our struggle. There are dangerous people out there. We need to unite. Please.

Anyhow, if anyone were to have information on how to defeat or block attacks like those that have occured, please let them share that information.

The baboon man with the monkey eyes.

http://flyservers.registerfly.com/members5/nsmmichigan.us/images/fisheyed.jpg


-Jim

http://flyservers.registerfly.com/members5/nsmmichigan.us/images/fisheyed.jpg


-Jim


HAHAHAHAHHA! Yep.

"People are scared of niggers, and they hate 'em!" ~George Lincoln Rockwell

This post, and accompanying link, are most interesting in the entire thread. If accurate Hal Turner made a terrific miscalculation and blunder. ( Of course, who here knew anything about "chans" before this incident ? )

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=138

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com...php/Hal_Turner

In addition, the infrastructure of the chans, as described by Princzessin, is quite interesting. In fact the techniques and ramifications of which ought to be considered by WN'sts.

Edit: this one (Necrotech)

http://www.vnnforum..com/showpost.ph...&postcount=134

I've been saying that all along, WN's could use a decenteralized system like that.

Anyhow, if anyone were to have information on how to defeat or block attacks like those that have occured, please let them share that information.

They can't be defeated, not on this scale. The basic attack is a real weanie one, the bandwidth leaching. It does not do significant damage execpt in huge numbers which unfortunatly they have.

It can be blocked, however after a point they can get new proxies faster than you can block them. In the end they ca be blocked, but you'll restrict access to large portions of the net, esp folks using things like cable modems.

The stuff like crank calls, fake mail orders theft, ect can only be stopped by controlling your personal info.

For those talking about going to IP companies and seizing servers through legal action consider these simple facts:

During the recent Stadium dirty bomb hoax that started on 4chan the national security level was raised, the President was told what was going on in his daily security brief and Homeland Security, The FBI and NSA busted their asses for weeks to find the guy during a major nationl and international media frenzy.

They didn't find the guy. Repeat, they didn't find him. The idiot turned himself in.

So if 3 of the worlds largest intllegence agencies can't find one of these guys with Ashcroft, W Bush and crew breathing down their necks, somehow even though Hal might “be like batman or something” as he says i don't think they are quaking in their boots at his chances.

Now, as to tonights show which i ope i actually get to hear for once, it should go off better than the last few have. 420chan is down while they relocate their server overseas so organization should not be that great unless a new host site has been chosen. It probably has but not everyone will have gotten the word yet..

Hopefully he will just ignore them,it's a darn good opportunity for him to walk away from this mess. Assuming he does not talk trash.

*Crosses fingers*

HAHAHAHAHHA! Yep.

"People are scared of niggers, and they hate 'em!" ~George Lincoln Rockwell

http://flyservers.registerfly.com/members5/nsmmichigan.us/images/heyheyhey.jpg


-Jim

And by the way, I wish that all of us could unite as white people who stand for the same thing. Because we do. We all have differences in opinion, and some of us may not like the other. But we need to stand by our own.

I can almost hear the violin music in the background.

http://flyservers.registerfly.com/members5/nsmmichigan.us/images/heyheyhey.jpg


-Jim

And also....
http://www.anyboard.net/et/music/hip-hop/uploads/REAL_spic.jpg

Currently on Hal's radio is playing is a recording of a man pranking and harassing an employe of some telecommunication company which offer a gay and lesbian tv channel.

So, is pranking ok when you're not on the receiving end? Hypocrisy

Currently on Hal's radio is playing is a recording of a man pranking and harassing an employe of some telecommunication company which offer a gay and lesbian tv channel.

So, is pranking ok when you're not on the receiving end? Hypocrisy


Hey...seeing "ElderofZion" just reminded me of something. Hal told me the other day that Tom Metzger's Show (http://resist.com/) AND Pastor Jim Wickstrom's show (http://jameswickstrom.com/) WILL air at their normal times this evening! (7:00 PM and 8:00 PM EST respectively)


NOBODY names the fucking hook nosed KIKE like Pastor Jim Wickstrom (http://jameswickstrom.com/) does! ;)

Details and direct links to listen HERE (http://thehudsonvalleyfreeman.blogspot.com/2007/01/hal-turner-show-will-air-tonight.html)


-Jim

T
The eye on hate people had to edit the interview several times on threat of attack themselves BTW. They wanted to protray Anon as a pro anti group and they insisted that it be made clear that was not the case.

Having the anti guys around was just another weapon, the anti folks are actually trying to disengage as they have been getting threatened alot due to misrepresention of anon. Using Anon as a personal army is a sure fire way to get attacked yourself, something the anti/ARA types are worried about.



Yawn. What a bunch of crap. The same sewrage I see leaking from every oriface of anonyherp. They were never attacked. They used anonylupus and then started their victory dance and remain untouched. You chose to get involved in politics and you chose the side of the anti-white, pro-jew faction. Deal with it. And why should Hal shut up about it if he doesn't want to? Anonymeasles were the one used and socenged, even VonBluvens got some good intell on a jew involved at one of the websites co-ording things and his recent visit to israel. You are like a lumbering idiot some girl pointed in the direction of a guy who she said had abused her. You attacked the guy and now don't want to recognise that it was a set up and she had created the whole situation. And you won't correct it. How could you? That heeby chick has you by the balls. Not that anonypuss has any real balls.

Sure fire way to get yourself attacked? Bullshit. They socenged you right up the arse and are away laughing. Fuck you guys are nothing but pathetic worms. LOL go fuck yourselves pussies.

Let me make this a clear as possible:

Anonyantiwhite was used as a political tool for the repression of pro-white voices. That makes you players in the political game. Anonyantiwhite then made offers to help anti-white causes in the future thus selecting its side. On the boards I saw, almost all responses to that offer were positive. So what will it be personally for you? In the realm of politics there is no sideline. So choose a side or walk away. Whatever it shall be, the days of anonymous being non-political are over. OVER.

Hey...seeing "ElderofZion" just reminded me of something. Hal told me the other day that Tom Metzger's Show (http://resist.com/) AND Pastor Jim Wickstrom's show (http://jameswickstrom.com/) WILL air at their normal times this evening! (7:00 PM and 8:00 PM EST respectively)


NOBODY names the fucking hook nosed KIKE like Pastor Jim Wickstrom (http://jameswickstrom.com/) does! ;)

Details and direct links to listen HERE (http://thehudsonvalleyfreeman.blogspot.com/2007/01/hal-turner-show-will-air-tonight.html)




Pastor Wickstrom is LIVE and will be taking YOUR calls later in the broadcast. ;)


-Jim

Hey Yankee Jew, which one is the bitch in your relationship with Hal? I'd say you are, most likely.

-"Oh no mr. white man, stop pounding my jewy ass like you are pounding our ZOG organisations with your devastating radio station!"
-"Oh yeah, take that you little jew bitch!"

wow you Americans are paranoid as hell!:)

Hey Yankee Jew, which one is the bitch in your relationship with Hal? I'd say you are, most likely.

-"Oh no mr. white man, stop pounding my jewy ass like you are pounding our ZOG organisations with your devastating radio station!"
-"Oh yeah, take that you little jew bitch!"


LOL! You're exposing yourself! ;)


-Jim

Hey Yankee Jew, which one is the bitch in your relationship with Hal? I'd say you are, most likely.

-"Oh no mr. white man, stop pounding my jewy ass like you are pounding our ZOG organisations with your devastating radio station!"
-"Oh yeah, take that you little jew bitch!"
Oh get a life. I may not be a Turner fan, but that shit you're spitting out is ridiculous.



Hey Jim, you need to clean out your PM box.

Hey Jim, you need to clean out your PM box.

Gotcha. Thanks! ;)


-Jim

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3358/halyi9.jpg

Cthulu, if you really are he who waits under the seas dead but dreaming:

A jew on a Chan board? Oh dear. Given the millions of people from every nation on earth who inhabit those boards of course there are a few jews, even ones who go to Israel once in a while. What about the Asians there though? They far outnumber the Jews and many visit or even LIVE in asia! Oh dear, Japan and the ADL are planning another pearl harbor!

Horse shit.

Some reality for you: GROUPS LIKE VNN, HAL TURNER AND THE US WN MOVEMENT ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST JEW MONEYMAKING MACHINES ON THE PLANET. Yea, you personally are filling jewish pockets with cash, morris dees at the SPLC too.

See, here's the deal. Anti groups like the ADL and SPLC get massive amounts of money to "fight hate." You know this. I know this. It is fact.

If you didn't exist, where would their free lunch come from? Heh? Got a answer?

Using anon makes no sense. They can't make cash off of the Chan-Turner war. They can't get donations. To get donations they would have to make the whole deal public and use their ZOG media control to do that. But they can't. Why not? Simple.

They make themselves out to be morally superior to you folks right? That's the big hammer they've brainwashed everyone with right?

So how will they make money with this? What will they say:

"We allied with a bunch of heroes from these websites who are fighting evil, here go to their websites and look at shitting dick nipples, scat porn, Lolita cartoons and unbelievably vile shit of every possible flavor! They are the good guys!"

They can't. The Chan crowd cannot be used to publicize them, it would be a PR nightmare for them. They would lose millions in donations overnight.

Now if the Chan kids take down Hal or any other WN site they lose too. A WN media outlet goes down with no profit to them. They have one less "Hate group" to point at to get donations. They don't want that, they like not having to work for a living.

If they really wanted to use this method to shut you all down for good instead of using a bunch of very morally questionable kids they would use their millions of dollars, hundreds of lawyers and their massive resources to do it themselves.

They would hire dozens of people with university degrees in networking. They would mobilize tens of thousands to attack you. Right now Hal is dealing with a hundred kids or so at most. If ZOG wanted to use this tactic against you they would scourge you from the Internet in a single day. The fact that ZOG is not using the Chan tactics proves they are not working for them.

Hal got hurt with no benefit to the Jews, that in of itself proves you wrong because as I'm sure you'd agree they would never do anything if the couldn't make a dime off of it. Wake up and smell the money that is slipping out of ZOG's pocket buddy.

Sorry if this sounds rude, i usually do my best to be polite as possible however i will not allow that to be taken as weakness. Your movement is a tiny minority that constantly spends the vast majority of it's time fighting itself, as long as you make money for the Zionists and antis they will be terrified of anything that would really threaten to destroy you.

That in of itself should make you all knock off the idiotic bickering, stupid back biting and pointless slander. You want to know who is the worlds biggest dupe of the ADL, SPLC and every anti group on earth?

Think of every time you have slandered another WN, every time you have publicly bickered and back stabbed each other then look in a mirror.

That person looking back at you is the Jew's tool. His dupe, his slave.

You exist because your enemies use you to make money, to make people think it's wrong and hateful to be proud to be White and most importantly: Because they think you are harmless.

If you really believe in the WN cause then stop fighting each other, stop attacking everyone who is actually interested in your cause and most importantly act like you actually care about the future of the white race.


Once again, i am sorry if this offends but i simply cannot stand the constant infighting and foolish lack of common sense i've been seeing here without speaking my mind. Get your heads out of your asses and get organized people.

So far besides Jim the person here who seems most intrested in advancing the WN cause in a effective manner is a black girl, think on that for a moment.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3358/halyi9.jpg


I saw that a while back...FUCKING HYSTERICAL!

The artist deserves a lot of credit for that. He (she?) is GOOD!

Having said that...the image may fall into the "pornographic" area which I don't think Alex appreciates on his board. I may be wrong though. I know Alex has a pretty good sense of humor. ;)

FUNNY AS HELL! :D


-Jim

White Tumbleweed,

You mentioned that you have knowledge of the legal system, making the distinction between the courts and the congress. What is stopping someone from filing a lawsuit agaisnt unconstitutional laws?

that picture is indeed epic!!

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7369/800pxhalbacktobedrc2.png

Cthulu, if you really are he who waits under the seas dead but dreaming:

A jew on a Chan board? Oh dear. Given the millions of people from every nation on earth who inhabit those boards of course there are a few jews, even ones who go to Israel once in a while. What about the Asians there though? They far outnumber the Jews and many visit or even LIVE in asia! Oh dear, Japan and the ADL are planning another pearl harbor!

more Horse shit.



Necro whatever I didn't read most of your crap as you don't have anything worthwhile to say. You didn't take account of the jew's position and thus your "one jew" crap is exactly that as I dream is the rest of your spiel. As for asia, communism is jewish and what are china, north korea, vietnam etc...?

"Duh, duh, duh..." sputters the necronimoron. I dream therefore you are. The goal is a global state where blood and soil is destroyed. That is traditional cultures are destroyed along with the races that created them and morphed into one big mass of blah. In a bankrupt world the one dollar man is king.

Now it is the middle east "a clean break - securing the realm" with a side of PNAC. A creeping disease that will seek to materialise a materialistic mohammad, with a little help from the marx (international communism) and rothchild (international capital). "Jose chan you chink..."

How is china positioned in relation to the middle east? Remember the spy plane which landed in chinese territory? Why the continual reaction against inda from other democracies? Remember who was on the board of directors who build North Korea's nuclear reactor? Who paid for it? HA! It's a big fucken joke, my closed eyed fool. And I dreamt all that is to come too. Too bad for you.

you shitty yog kikes have been going after Hal since Nov. when he leaked the info about the dollar collapse to the world. But when the evidence came in again before Christmas 2006 about economic JEW fuck up, the big yogkike jEWS got you little fag hackers involved. The kikehate JEW PIG Beasts also HATE that Hal has such a large following and they don't want any goyim thinking different about Iran. yog Kikes hate hate being EXPOSED. It is like throwing holy water on a vampire, they scream and hiss.

They also hate all those informative FREE SPEECH posts in the comments sections by all the ANTI-NWOhatejewpigkikeZOG rebels from all over the world..

So jewhackers or hackers serving the jEWS, do your servitude for JEWKIKEZOG while they destroy this planet and teach your women to give their wombs and souls to NIGGERS.

JEW HATE

Could somebody also start posting information when and where anytime large groups of ARA or any jewfagdegenerate anti racists meet up. I really want to start meeting these pig trash rats face to face. itz.....

Necro whatever I didn't read most of your crap as you don't have anything worthwhile to say. You didn't take account of the jew's position and thus your "one jew" crap is exactly that as I dream is the rest of your spiel. As for asia, communism is jewish and what are china, north korea, vietnam etc...?

"Duh, duh, duh..." sputters the necronimoron. I dream therefore you are. The goal is a global state where blood and soil is destroyed. That is traditional cultures are destroyed along with the races that created them and morphed into one big mass of blah. In a bankrupt world the one dollar man is king.

Now it is the middle east "a clean break - securing the realm" with a side of PNAC. A creeping disease that will seek to materialise a materialistic mohammad, with a little help from the marx (international communism) and rothchild (international capital). "Jose chan you chink..."

How is china positioned in relation to the middle east? Remember the spy plane which landed in chinese territory? Why the continual reaction against inda from other democracies? Remember who was on the board of directors who build North Korea's nuclear reactor? Who paid for it? HA! It's a big fucken joke, my closed eyed fool. And I dreamt all that is to come too. Too bad for you.

HAH! Funny! Most of what you wrote was unrelated gibberish however you did mention the DPRK, a area i consider myself a expert on.

North Korea is probably the most ethnically and culturally pure nation on earth. They are alien and cruel beyond reckoning however their sheer strength of endurance and will to power must be respected, no matter who they are.

I'm sure you didn't read much of what i wrote as you said, hence why you didn't answer anything i wrote. That's why you are a liability to the WN cause.

I hate being this rude, why can't you folks come together instead of fighting all the time?

1st Edu's post made me lol

anyone that bashes anyone exposing the jEWS is working for the forces of shit

"We allied with a bunch of heroes from these websites who are fighting evil, here go to their websites and look at shitting dick nipples, scat porn, Lolita cartoons and unbelievably vile shit of every possible flavor! They are the good guys!"

They can't. The Chan crowd cannot be used to publicize them, it would be a PR nightmare for them. They would lose millions in donations overnight.


The ADL and SPLC get their money the old fashion way and the chans will never figure into the equation. They solicit lawyers, law firms, CEOs of large corporations, jewish community leaders, etc. We get solicitations from SPLC at least once a month for every executive who works in our office. Still, no one writes a check, but the form letters keep on coming. You think they will mention chans - no, they will spin it: We have been fighting Internet hate at every avenue available to us .... yada yada yada.

You seem to forget this people have marketing agencies working for them.

anyone that bashes anyone exposing the jEWS is working for the forces of shit
hahaha
an American race mixed stray dog 'allegedly' exposing the kikes?
:D



I wouldn't put much faith in any information handed out by an American

Ja, ja, necroshit. Welcome to de politics. Chan't we all try to get along?

I made you stand upright (http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/01/21/10098235.html)

that you might contemplate the heavens. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6250415.stm)

Piece of piss, anonymous. Get ready for world war III. Those who I would destroy I first make gods.

"Nonsense makes good sense" -- Jackiewocky

HA - AH

Hal called me and had me on his show for about twenty minutes. I don't think his stream is working.

He is probably going to have to pre-record his shows like most people do and offer them later.

anyone that bashes anyone exposing the jEWS is working for the forces of shit


Could you repeat that in a manner that humans can understand?
You know; use punctuation and all that "White" shit.

He ment anyone that turns against Turner and does nothing but stir shit here is a goddamn asshole.

blond, blue eyed, slender Nordic /b/ tard

tard huh?:p
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Hal called me and had me on his show for about twenty minutes. I don't think his stream is working.

He is probably going to have to pre-record his shows like most people do and offer them later.


What's this about you not broadcasting anymore? :confused:


-Jim

He ment anyone that turns against Turner and does nothing but stir shit here is a goddamn asshole.


I'm sure he meant well. ;)


-Jim

I'm sure he meant well. ;)


-Jim

call me on skype...not going to discuss it on this board.

tard huh?:p
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better now:D

call me on skype...not going to discuss it on this board.
(941) 306-2114

I don't have outbound skype. Some other time maybe. I need sleep.


-Jim

He ment anyone that turns against Turner and does nothing but stir shit here is a goddamn asshole.

There's a sucker born every minute, eh bluvie?

アルは迚も可愛いです^_^

Since putting that skype in number up "James" has called me no less than 17 times.

"James," being the same character that called Hal and his family to harrass...he even put recordings of those calls on the net.

What a fucking punk.

Well, at least I know "James," is trolling this message board.:D

The ADL and SPLC get their money the old fashion way and the chans will never figure into the equation. They solicit lawyers, law firms, CEOs of large corporations, jewish community leaders, etc. We get solicitations from SPLC at least once a month for every executive who works in our office. Still, no one writes a check, but the form letters keep on coming. You think they will mention chans - no, they will spin it: We have been fighting Internet hate at every avenue available to us .... yada yada yada.

You seem to forget this people have marketing agencies working for them.

Exactly. Armies of lawyers, Law firms, CEO's and kikes.

And the WN movement has what exactly? Nothing.

And yet they allow you to exist.

You are powerless ZOG tools who cannot do shit without real power. Want power? Learn how to really fight a information war.

Protip: You just lost one.

Until you people stop fighting each other and start fighting with your brains your real foes will continue to use you as nothing but a jew money raising tool.

There's a sucker born every minute, eh bluvie?

You know, I am going to laugh my ass off when this forum does get taken down by the likes of "anon" and their crew. Trust me it will happen...you think they are going to stop at Turner?

One constant in all of this: there is NO loyalty or honor in the WN movement any longer.

wow you Americans are paranoid as hell!:)
Good reason to be.

Exactly. Armies of lawyers, Law firms, CEO's and kikes.

And the WN movement has what exactly? Nothing.

And yet they allow you to exist.

You are powerless ZOG tools who cannot do shit without real power. Want power? Learn how to really fight a information war.

Protip: You just lost one.

Until you people stop fighting each other and start fighting with your brains your real foes will continue to use you as nothing but a jew money raising tool.

Nice try at a turn around Necro-Myung-Moon. The jews' activities mean there will ALWAYS be a reaction against it. Their very actions mean we anti-semites will exist until they finally achieve their goal and turn this planet into nothing more than a revolving mud ball.

Who exactly did we loose? Someone who can easily be manipulated by liars and loves asian toons more than his own heritage (if you are even White). Ever hear of Bridgeman?

Funny guy. If we loose you loose. Firm and secure in that knowledge you appear as the pissant you are. Live and learn necro-turd and maybe you will figure out the toons don't make up for genocide. Life isn't something that is sold. It must be boldly taken by he who wants it.

You are powerless ZOG tools who cannot do shit without real power. Want power? Learn how to really fight a information war.

Protip: You just lost one.
I do believe he means we just lost an information war, not a person. And if half of what I'm reading in here, and have heard on the side, is true... he's right. I'm the head geek at my forums, I've been watching and listening for weeks now. I'd have to go digging through posts, but, I already said something about an internet war, and us getting slaughtered.

Don't be so quick to discount what he says, Cthulhu, just because he isn't one of us. A person doesn't have to be one of us, to give valid information. I said it, internet war... it has been happening. What are we going to do about it? Keep pushing away someone who seems to trying to give a tip or two? Right now, I don't know his color, I don't care his color. I know I see truth in a lot of what he's said in the posts you said you didn't read. I did.

If you want to play in the internet world, learn how to work the internet. We don't have enough that know how to work it. We have more than we did a few years ago, but, what we have can be overwhelmed by the sheer number of those against us. This medium is a double-edged sword. It can help get our message out, and bring us together, but it can also bring together those who oppose us. Face it, there are more of them, than there are of us. They're learning this technology shit younger and faster. We would do well to learn what we can from those willing to share it.

Knowledge is power. On the internet, the more you know about how it works, the more power you have. Check his information out if you have your own sources, but don't discount it, merely because he isn't on our side. In this instance I do believe it would be a mistake. We'll know for certain later, huh?

Knowledge is power. On the internet, the more you know about how it works, the more power you have. Check his information out if you have your own sources, but don't discount it, merely because he isn't on our side. In this instance I do believe it would be a mistake. We'll know for certain later, huh?

He hasn't given us any information worth bothering about. You also don't take tips from confirmed race-traitors. It is a good form of hygiene. As for the attacks: what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Still you give no quarter to the disease.

I don't think necro is irredeemable which is why I bothered to correct him, still:

Correct the wise and they will love you. Correct a fool and he will hate you.

Never forget we are right and that has the virtue of allowing us to be steadfast. Those in the wrong must either move or go under. His choice in the end. How liberating it is to know the truth. How free does it make one! Truely truth is power. The clock is ticking. The end of a world awaits...

He hasn't given us any information worth bothering about. You also don't take tips from confirmed race-traitors. It is a good form of hygiene. As for the attacks: what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Still you give no quarter to the disease.
I guess it depends on how you read what he said, and put it together with what you know. I managed to learn a couple of things :)

I agree with the "kill you" saying. Here's something to think about... they've got the numbers to destroy our boards and sites. We've seen tastes of it in the past couple of months; the attacks that kept Stormfront down for DAYS. I mostly laughed, because it was Stormfront, but I also started taking notes, because I knew they weren't the last. Enter shit with Turner and shit here.

Don't let lulls in the storm make you complacent. The storm hasn't ended, this one isn't a philisophical or political war. This one is an IT war. Learn, surround yourself with those that know, or perish.



I'm off to my ubergeek bed, to dream of falling green numbers, and guys in black suits and sunglasses. I think I'll break from the norm and take the blue pill, perhaps then I'll wake and this will all be a bad dream, or completely forgotten.

To net or not to net? (http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=39975)

When the time comes the net won't matter. Prepare in the real world because that is where you will either master the coming events or be mastered by them. Those who understand reality most clearly will have a large advantage in the times ahead. I have seen the future, and the future is analog.

All wars are political. Politics is the about the movement of power. If the main targets are pro-white sites that tells you about the motives. An IT war against a political target makes it political. Whether it is israeli hackers targeting palestinian activists or pussy boys being manipulated in to attacking pro-white sites, it is political.

Also I wouldn't have laughed about the attack on stormfront. I wouldn't even approve of an internet attack on the adl website, which won't happen anyway. We are right. The truth is on our side thus attacking them that way inks the waters of our righteousness. Let internet content change because of changes made in the real world, not because of people damming up the flow of information.

So your basic viewpoint is "we are losing, we can't organize without our foes looking at every word we say, we can't communicate with each other without stabbing each other in the back, we are only a tiny handful of people, we will not learn from any experiance that does not go our way, we refuse to adapt to changing siduations, we refuse to use technology, we refuse to educate ourselves but somehow we'll win?"

I'm not holding my breath here.

As to my personal views (which have no bearing on the truth of anything i say) they are roughly the same as yours execpt for the racial part. Not because i don't think race does not affect things mind you, but because i think minor genetic variations will be quite meaningless in the near future.

Please note the "transhumanist" part of my signature.

You all masturbating over the idea of "omg revolution with mgs and rockets" should jump off a bridge.

We need to organize thru businesses.

Start a business, make affairs with another pro-white business owner, and on and on and on.

Of course, this has to remain underground or the whole group will be squashed by PCs and the media.

Once the "group" of pro-white businesses gets large enough and generates enough money in itself, then it can start having REAL influence in politics.

Like, "group X says the border shall be closed or we'll pack up and move to another state/country". If it's important enough in jobs and community revenues the politics will back up their lame asses and agree to it.

It's time whites started feeding the jew and ara web sites some of their own shit. Shut them down...let's empty their banks with bandwidth charges. Let's start fighting fire with a fucking flame thrower.

It's time whites started feeding the jew and ara web sites some of their own shit. Shut them down...let's empty their banks with bandwidth charges. Let's start fighting fire with a fucking flame thrower.
Do you have a secret army of millions to throw into this internet war you're wanting to declare against millions? I may have the know-how, but I don't have the means to wage and win that war, yet. I don't start wars I know right off the bat I'm going to have my ass handed to me in.

If you have a REAL plan, send me a PM.

Do you have a secret army of millions to throw into this internet war you're wanting to declare against millions? I may have the know-how, but I don't have the means to wage and win that war, yet. I don't start wars I know right off the bat I'm going to have my ass handed to me in.

If you have a REAL plan, send me a PM.

You know, a 2-hours work e-mail virus/worm could infect hundred of thousands of computers and tell them to rape the ara/adl bandwidth with style.

Adl headquarters: "HOLY SHIT 800 TETRABYTES PER SECOND TRANSFER!"

Bandwidth bill by second : 150.000$ :D

I read in the paper today that Hal's problem is now malformed packets:

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=10154

I don't know what operating system he's using, but isn't there a service pack for that on Windows?

To Those Contemplating Computer Attacks

Setting aside the criminality of such actions, it is just plain stupid. If any such attacks transpired - as a result of words written here - given our resource limitations VNNF would be sunk.

Hal Turner shot his big mouth off and brought these attacks upon him. These *chans* are probably perched right now waiting for any excuse to attack another site.

That's right, run in fear.:rolleyes: