1:Johann Sebastian Bach
2:Ludwig Van Beethoven
3:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4:Richard Wagner
5:Franz Joseph Haydn
6:Georg Fredric Handel
7:Josquin Des Prez
8:William Byrd
9:Franz Schubert
10:Guillaume Dufay
Honorable mention:Giovanni Palestrina,Domenico Scarlatti,Claude Debussy,Maurice Ravel,Robert Schumann,Antonio Vivaldi,Peter Tchaikovsky,Antonin Dvorak,Orlando Gibbons,Jan Sweelinck,Jean Sibelius,Edvard Grieg,Anton Bruckner,Frederic Chopin,Giacomo Rossini,Francois Couperin,Girolamo Frescobaldi,Jean Phillipe Rameau and 100 others.
The music of these all-time greats should be in the ears of our young.Unfortunately there aren't many parents around today who know of the 1,000 years of musical treasure of Europe."Classical music" for most people means the jungle screech they've been assaulted by these last 50 years.What a contrast it is to hear the dynamics,the intricacy,the ingenious architecture of sound that typifies the best of the European classical tradition versus the simple savage BOOM BOOM THUMP THUMP THUMP noise so typical now in the post-civilized world.What is really sad is that most whites now identify more with primitive ape grunt noise pollution than they do the glorious,unparalled achievements of their ancestors.I've listened to the folk and classical-traditions of the Chinese,Japanese,Arabic and many other peoples but none of these other cultures have even come close to achieving the level of development,intricacy and spiritual depth of the European tradition.All of you awakened racialists would do well to introduce your children to the treasures of white music,literature,etc.If you don't show to your children what is unique and irreplacable in this world then what are they supposed to grab onto and fight to preserve?If they think they are no better than the scrubhumans who produce the ubiquitous noise and tv pollution and the worthless minutae of crud culture then why would they ever care to defend anything when they don't even think there is anything worth defending?

wagner, beethoven, tchaikovsky, bach, mozart my top 5. I suppose if I had to throw in an Italian it would be Verdi and an Englishman it would be Handel and a Frenchman I suppose it would be, Berlioz.

conventional tastes we racists have eh?

I prefer Italian and Russian composers. Beethoven is the only German one who doesn't bore me to near death

I just started to listen to classical music, to listen to more relaxing and spiritual music. I also still listen to heavy and black metal, which is the best for purely energetic music. Both are good though, both are rich forms of white culture.

I'm more of a BOOM-BOOM-THUMP-THUMP person ;) (Rammstein and Megaherz etc) but here's my personal top 5: Wagner, Richard Strauss, Chopin, Beethoven and Mozart.

All of those named above are excellent. One of my favorite composers is Rachmaninoff. My favorite piece of music by any of the composers named would have to be Mozart's Requim. Good stuff. I hate it when people say classical music sucks. It's some of the most original and moving music you can listen to.

Wagner's pretty shitty. His only good moment was created by Francis Coppola. 'Wagner has good moments but terrible half-hours.' - Rossini. Make that 'all-hours.' I dislike him because 'Valkyrie' looked so promising. Only a Schopenhauer-worshipping kraut could fuck up the Eddas and turn them into Bedtime for Bobo mit uns. Then again, only a Schopenhauer-worshipping kraut could name the Jew as a pernicious influence on his art.

In no particular order:

Shostakovich
Tchaikovsky
Beethoven
Rossini
Mussorgsky

some Mendelssohn, Vivaldi, Chopin, Mozart, Bach, Liszt, Corelli, and even the yid Glass.

As of this morning, my favorites are Dmitry Shostakovich and the (Jew (http://www.jewwatch.com/)) Gustav Mahler.

Also an honorable mention to Johannes Brahms, Armen Khachaturian, Prokofiev, and Pachelbel.

Wagner's pretty shitty. His only good moment was created by Francis Coppola. 'Wagner has good moments but terrible half-hours.' - Rossini. Make that 'all-hours.' I dislike him because 'Valkyrie' looked so promising. Only a Schopenhauer-worshipping kraut could fuck up the Eddas and turn them into Bedtime for Bobo mit uns. Then again, only a Schopenhauer-worshipping kraut could name the Jew as a pernicious influence on his art....

Angle, why so harsh on Herr Wagner? It’s ADL-approved jackbootin’ music! ;)

Funny related postscript:

A few months ago I read an article by some red (non-jew I think) describing us NS folk as being (as verbatim a quote as I can remember) “…brutish, violent people who spend their time reading Mein Kampf, drinking beer and stomping around to Wagner…”. I just about shit myself laughing when I read that. These pseudo-intellectual reds can actually dismiss us with this kind of one-dimensional bullshit.

“…brutish, violent people who spend their time reading Mein Kampf, drinking beer and stomping around to Wagner…”

That sounds like me, except I listen to other classical music, not only Wagner.

That sounds like me, except I listen to other classical music, not only Wagner.

I have to admit it hits pretty close to home here as well; though I'm picky when it comes to my beer (no piss water). Also, when I do my "stomping around" it's to the BOOM-BOOM-THUMP-THUMP of Rammstein or a WP band and the like, not classic.

What the reds have against "stompin'" is beyond me!

Wagner boring? In a six hour musical drama there's plenty which may bore, but I've been bored by plenty of recitative in other operas half the length as well.

I'm not a musician though so you're welcome to sniffle at my tastes. However I've noticed that successful performers rarely sniffle at non-musician tastes because they know that 95% of every audience or more are likely not musicians. What composer ever made music only for musicians?

Back to Wagner. It would be hard to imagine film without Wagner. Wagner brought together music and drama in a way that hadnt been done. Old Nietzche appreciated this and just got pissed off because Wagner integrated Christianity into Parsifal which he viewed as some kind of copout. I take Wagner's side on that.

The only composer that I'm at all familiar with, not so far mentioned, is Sergei Rachmaninoff.

I like what Mencken wrote about Schubert:
"The fellow was scarcely human. His merest belch was as lovely as the Song of the Sirens. He sweated beauty as naturally as a Christian sweats hate."

The only composer that I'm at all familiar with, not so far mentioned, is Sergei Rachmaninoff.

I like what Mencken wrote about Schubert:
"The fellow was scarcely human. His merest belch was as lovely as the Song of the Sirens. He sweated beauty as naturally as a Christian sweats hate."

Songs of Schubert are wonderful. Kindertotenlieder some of the very saddest music I have heard.

Top Five composers:

Beethoven, Mozart, Tjajkovskij, Bach, Orff.

Beethoven and Mozart go without saying. Damn, Mozart's Requiem is good! The original goth music, itz. Tjajkovskij, that's a guy who could make classical music not even the worst philistine could consider boring. He was a wizard at the piano. Bach, self-explanatory too ... Carl Orff -- people, I urge you to see what he's got to offer. At the very least you should download O Fortuna from his Carmina Burana. You know you love it!

Other good guys: Brahms and Bruch at violin. Okay, I'll admit I bought a CD with their violin music only because a sexy chick I was with at the time pointed it out in the store, but I have to say that advice of hers turned out to be almost as good as the sex, and it has lasted longer too.

I heard a live performance of Carmina Burana that was awesome. One of the most interesting differences between popular and serious music is that popular music often sounds better recorded, but serious or classical music always sounds better live.

O Fortuna is definitely a high point of the oratorio.

Sparks (This town isn’t big enough for both of us)
(early 70's)

Thats fucked I got that piece from a soundtrack and it says it was by Wagner go figure.lol Well you learn something all the time.


I know that O Fortuna was in both "The Doors" and also Conan the Barbarian. In Conan, it's right after he prays to Crom for Revenge, and then him and the two gooks take on Thulsa Doom's guys in the graveyard. Powerful itz!

I know that O Fortuna was in both "The Doors" and also Conan the Barbarian. In Conan, it's right after he prays to Crom for Revenge, and then him and the two gooks take on Thulsa Doom's guys in the graveyard. Powerful itz!


Some of the best classical music written in the last 40 years has come courtesy of film composers like Basil Poledouris(Conan the Barbarian & Conan the Destroyer) and John Williams(Star Wars,Superman,Jaws),etc.The two movies with the best use of classical music would be "A Clockwork Orange" and "The Shining",the latter inserting bits of Bartok's ultra creepy "Music for Strings,Percussion and Celesta" at just the right moments.Jew Kubrick was a master at picking the perfect piece of music to match a particular scene.

The Nordic lands have yielded a few good composers like Arvo Part,Rautavaara,Per Norgard,etc.

For some weird and out of the way classical try some John Cage,Iannis Xenakis,George Crumb(Exorcist soundtrack) and Penderecki.Most of their stuff is hit or miss and some it is downright awful.
Penderecki's most famous piece(Threnody for the victims of Hiroshima)is probably the most viscerally unpleasant piece of music ever written.If there is a hell I imagine it would sound a lot like "Threnody."

I know that O Fortuna was in both "The Doors" and also Conan the Barbarian. In Conan, it's right after he prays to Crom for Revenge, and then him and the two gooks take on Thulsa Doom's guys in the graveyard. Powerful itz!

Also in "Excalibur" when young Arthur rides to his first battle, to rescue Gweneviere's father.

Also in TV car comercial :rolleyes:

Angle, why so harsh on Herr Wagner? It’s ADL-approved jackbootin’ music! ;)

Funny related postscript:

A few months ago I read an article by some red (non-jew I think) describing us NS folk as being (as verbatim a quote as I can remember) “…brutish, violent people who spend their time reading Mein Kampf, drinking beer and stomping around to Wagner…”. I just about shit myself laughing when I read that. These pseudo-intellectual reds can actually dismiss us with this kind of one-dimensional bullshit.

A man need hobbies :)

1. Buxtehude
2. Rachmaninoff
3. Bach
4. Chopin
5. Handel
6. Schumann
7. Haydn
8. Paganini (for his caprices, in and of themselves)
9. Mozart
10. Beethoven
11. Scarlatti, Domenico

No particular order to my list of 11. ;)
Mostly pretty conventional. I know.

Yes! I love that final battle in Excalibur with O Fortuna; I will always connect that piece with that scene.

Scandinavia has a small share of composers: Jean Sibelius is one, the guy who wrote Finlandia, which is worth downloading. Runeberg's Our Land, (http://www.vnnforum.com/main/index357.htm) with a melody made by the German Pacius (also the melody used by Estonia today, but with different lyrics), is Finland's national anthem, but Finlandia comes in at a close second place; it is Finland's inofficial second national anthem, which children learn to sing in school, even though it is a difficult tune.

Now, people may think that it is a poor testament to Northern countries that we have so few composers and famous authors, but one has to remember that the North has small populations. Scandinavia plus Finland has something like a fourth of Germany's population, and considering that our showing is pretty good. As for authors, we have a tremendous supply of good literature, but it is rarely marketed abroad. Scandinavian languages are easy to rhyme in, and we have great poets from the 19th century, but their work is hard to translate.

doblegancho saith:

One of my favorite pieces right now is the Adagio to Concierto de Aranjuez by Joaquin Rodrigo. Amazing Spanish Classical guitar piece. Not frilly. Spare. Introspective.

Yes, I think I had that on a complilation of songs including including some by Bach and Albeniz by this great Spanish guitarist and I forget his fucking name. What was it?

Speaking of which, the Doors had this song "Spanish Caravan" that started out with a sample from a pretty characteristic Spanish classic guitar piece which I think was entitled Andalusia.

andres segovia!

If you can get past the lousy sound quality those pre 1950 recordings are some of the best ever made.When you listen to conductors like Wilhelm Furtwangler,Willem Mengelberg(not one of the tribe)and pianists like Rachmaninoff,Paderewski,Gieseking,Cortot, or cellists like Pablo Casals or guitarists like Andres Segovia,you are listening to much more distinctive, folky,spontaneous artists than exists today.With the rise of globoculture and a few generations of people who've done little else in life except watch television and consume mass media,classical music today suffers from the same blandness and uniformity and lack of spontaniety so common in the culture at large.Most of the recordings made in the last few decades(digital era)aren't even worth the bother because they all sound the same.You can listen to pre circa 1950 recordings and hear a distinct style of an opera singer or violinist.Back then you still had a "French School" of piano playing or an "Italian school" of opera singing.Today you can't make out any difference in violin playing,piano playing,singing,conducting or anything else.The "international style",or bland,boring,indistinct,globoculture,musical academy style dominates,and it sucks.

Conservative shouldn't be taken as meaning your ideology is about conservation only. Today it is simply a name for the Right.

True. ""Conservative" today...is simply a name for the Right." That's my problem with it. It doesn't mean what it used to. It doesn't mean anything when the pols and talking heads who cloak themselves in it are shilling for israel, i.e. betraying their own country and kin, as much as, or more than, an honest anti-white muslim, black, mex radical, e.g..

You misread that, it seems.

Ahh, too much text for a small subject...but then again, won't be the first time for me.

When I read it doesn't mean what it used to, I meant that it doesn't mean conserving only. But I didn't mean that it doesn't mean real Right. Now, you took it to mean that it doesn't stand for real Right anymore. But that's just in the eyes of the usurpers. It does stand for the real Right still, for most people, but the real Right isn't only about conserving, that's what I meant. It's about restoring too, and most of all, it is about observing reality, human nature, and adapting to it.

Wagner's pretty shitty. His only good moment was created by Francis Coppola. 'Wagner has good moments but terrible half-hours.' - Rossini. Make that 'all-hours.' I dislike him because 'Valkyrie' looked so promising. Only a Schopenhauer-worshipping kraut could fuck up the Eddas and turn them into Bedtime for Bobo mit uns. Then again, only a Schopenhauer-worshipping kraut could name the Jew as a pernicious influence on his art.

In no particular order:

Shostakovich
Tchaikovsky
Beethoven
Rossini
Mussorgsky

some Mendelssohn, Vivaldi, Chopin, Mozart, Bach, Liszt, Corelli, and even the yid Glass.


Wagner only wrote operas, as far as I know. Operas are drama. You miss most of it if you are not following the drama. The music throughout a drama cannot be continuous catchy tunes. That is why Wagner might seem to have a "bad half hour" to some people, simply because it is opera. It was never meant to be heard without being seen and understood. Beethoven's Fidelio would probably seem no more exciting to that level of appreciation, and Richard Strauss would be totally unlistenable apart from Thus Spake Zarathustra.

Actually for people who are looking for catchy tunes in Wagner there is a more to be found than Ride of the Valkyries.

Wagner only wrote operas, as far as I know. Operas are drama. You miss most of it if you are not following the drama. The music throughout a drama cannot be continuous catchy tunes. That is why Wagner might seem to have a "bad half hour" to some people, simply because it is opera. It was never meant to be heard without being seen and understood. Beethoven's Fidelio would probably seem no more exciting to that level of appreciation, and Richard Strauss would be totally unlistenable apart from Thus Spake Zarathustra.

Actually for people who are looking for catchy tunes in Wagner there is a more to be found than Ride of the Valkyries.

Opera writers call his stuff "musical dramas" and after seeing Siegfried this fall I can see why.

As for boring, that's a load of shit. I've been to probably ten operas in big houses and twenty in little ones. The first act of Siegfried was thrilling with that little kikey Mime rolling about like Gollum, and the hero reforging the sword Nothung. The duet at the ending of the first part was over a half hour of thrilling sturm und drang.

I have to confess I find recitative in Italian operas totally boring. The arias and songs are great, but I dont like the filler. Wagner dispensed with that crap, mostly. A vast improvement. That's my uneducated opinion.

Next year the Lyric of Chicago will be doing the Ring Cycle in late March and April. Check out their website and reserve your tickets now. Rheingold, Walkure, Siegfried, and Gotterdamerung.

No need to fly to Bayreuth, come instead to Flyoverland!

Wagner only wrote operas, as far as I know. Operas are drama. You miss most of it if you are not following the drama. The music throughout a drama cannot be continuous catchy tunes. That is why Wagner might seem to have a "bad half hour" to some people, simply because it is opera. It was never meant to be heard without being seen and understood. Beethoven's Fidelio would probably seem no more exciting to that level of appreciation, and Richard Strauss would be totally unlistenable apart from Thus Spake Zarathustra.

Actually for people who are looking for catchy tunes in Wagner there is a more to be found than Ride of the Valkyries.


His Seigfried Idyll isn't an opera. He had 17 operas, but over 80 compositions.

Wagner is soporific. The Germanic myths should excite, not induce sleep. True, I haven't seen Wagner live, but if one can appreciate, say, Shostakovich without the knobs on, why not demand that of every composer? Spare me the talking doll SFX add-on 1.1 bullshit; if the music's shit, he's a shit composer: it's as pointed as that. As for his much-lauded techniques, we're on comical ground. Wagner's a composer who thinks he's a porn director (Tristan & Isolde). A wanking orchestra? Talk about jewy!

Don Giovanni's a drama. Yes, a drama which doesn't require spectacle in order to substantiate the not unimportant aspect of the music itself.

I second Antiochus's post. Siegfried is well worth seeing: unfortunately I have only seen it on television, though.

And there are lots of songs that sound good only when you add the singer, but are bad when you only hear the music. I mean, it's kind of like taking the sugar out of a cake.

I second Antiochus's post. Siegfried is well worth seeing: unfortunately I have only seen it on television, though.

And there are lots of songs that sound good only when you add the singer, but are bad when you only hear the music. I mean, it's kind of like taking the sugar out of a cake.
The performance itself of course makes a lot of difference too. What really got me interested in Wagner beyond the overtures was an old LP called The Golden Age of Bayreuth, featuring performances of songs from Wagner's operas recorded the 1930s.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]Thank you for that enlightening post. Instead of that "vague sense that something's wrong" that Linder talks about, I now know why all of today's classical music sounds the same. This ties into my contention with Linder over the "conservative" designation. If our cultural heritage has been lost for more than two, three, four generations, then we've nothing to conserve. If we value and desire the preservation of forms like the above, then we are radicals by default. Radical antiquarians perhaps, but radicals nevertheless.












With the world becoming ever more uniform it is not only culture that becomes more bland,boring and lacking in spontaniety,people too are becoming more alike.In the Western world we are now into the 3rd generation that has taken in the same basic messages of mass media,while being subjected to the same 16 years of brainwashing courtesy of the educational system. Today you find fewer and fewer "characters" of the type commonly found in the pre ww2 generation,that is,people with personalities and worldviews shaped outside the dull,passive,drab,and homogenizing confines of mass media.They were the last generation to escape with their minds mostly intact.People today don't know what to do with themselves if they don't have a constant stream of diversions to keep them entertained.Even more pernicious is that you hardly see children out playing on Saturday mornings anymore,they're inside watching tv or playing video games.School is out for the summer here,yet as i was driving around this weekend i barely saw any kids at all out playing.As these kids stay confined to the house consuming mass media propaganda their minds shrink to an ever greater uniformity.


I remember my father's old friends and acquaintances,men from an era where public education and college had yet to become universal,when people had to create their own adventure and entertainment and when handyman skills and self-reliance were common.Today many men can't even change a washer in a bathroom faucet or change a tire on their car.More and more people are becoming housebound,helpless,tv-watching females.Men have largely been feminized,made more passive and weak-minded.There are a lot less "manly men" today,the type that would fight at the drop of a hat and wouldn't take shit from niggers or let their women and brats run all over them like these insipid "guy" types.My father ran a store in nigger town and the niggers seldom ever gave him any bullshit because pops would take a bat upside their nigger skulls in a heartbeat,so the nigs respected him and usually adressed him with "Sir" or "Mr." Pops taught me at 7 how to shoot a rifle and pistol and wouldn't tolerate any whining or crying on my part.Nor did he buy me a bunch of junk i didn't need just to pacify me.Pops didn't allow me to vegetate in front of a tv as a child(we didn't even have cable until i was about 15);I stayed outside most of the time, playing sports and bicycling.As for indoor activities,my mother got me into literature and classical music,so i guess i've been a lot luckier than most people in that i had a rough-and-tumble father who gave a great example of manliness,and a mother who provided me with the best possible intellectual stimulation.Choose your mate wisely,White Nationalists!
You see so many good men get mixed up with worthless women and vice versa,and you see how the children usually turn out.