Do not talk to the media.

The rank and file doesnt talk to the media. If the media wants to interview the rank and file a simple : "No comment" or "I dont talk to the media" is sufficient while forwarding the media journalists to the organizers of the rally.

Only the organizers of a rally should talk to the media ,for the rest it is taboo and should be punished with exlusion from any future rally/demonstration if broken.

Thats the way the movement handles rallies/demos/etc in Germany at least.

Do not talk to the media. Thats the way the movement handles rallies/demos/etc in Germany at least.

Agreed Alex. Of course it wasn't necessary for anyone to have to tell me this as seen my by reaction to Ms. Hunt when she sought information on the upcoming rally. I knew it wasn't my place and that you or others were the appropriate people to interface with media representatives.

Just as in the case of the "uniforms" I hope people listen to you.

T

OnThePathToTruth,

i'm not Alex Linder, just a German nationalist who wants to give some productive help to my American comrades.

Anyway let me congratulate you on your correct behavior and hopefully this example will be followed by the rest before, during and after the rally too.

OnThePathToTruth,
i'm not Alex Linder, just a German nationalist who wants to give some productive help to my American comrades.
Anyway let me congratulate you on your correct behavior and hopefully this example will be followed by the rest before, during and after the rally too.


Oh ... lol. I see that now. I just woke up and wasn't paying as careful attention as I should have been. Regardless your original post is the proper approach as the media will be seeking out people in hopes of obtaining sound bites that they can use to put the entire rally in a negative light. They aren't interested in the truth or the interests of white people which most here should be well aware and be on their guard.

T

Agreed Alex. Of course it wasn't necessary for anyone to have to tell me this as seen my by reaction to Ms. Hunt when she sought information on the upcoming rally. I knew it wasn't my place and that you or others were the appropriate people to interface with media representatives.

Just as in the case of the "uniforms" I hope people listen to you.

T

What is Ms. Hunt's first name? I have been getting hassled recenty by an Amy Hunt (She claims to be a Jewess) on my video profiles and emails.

What is Ms. Hunt's first name? I have been getting hassled recenty by an Amy Hunt (She claims to be a Jewess) on my video profiles and emails.

Oops. Not your "Hunt" after all. The reporter that contacted me is a Ms. Allison Hunt. Please don't hassle Ms. Allison Hunt. lol.

I, of course, agree with Alex from Germany, the rank and file participant ought not to speak to reporters. Leave that to folks with some experience in that area.

BTW, I've uploaded a few demonstration clips from Europe, including Germany, into the VNN library:

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/library/video/europe_resists/

I, of course, agree with Alex from Germany, the rank and file participant ought not to speak to reporters. Leave that to folks with some experience in that area.

BTW, I've uploaded a few demonstration clips from Europe, including Germany, into the VNN library:

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/library/video/europe_resists/

If there's a cross-eyed, toothless, tobacco-chewing, barefooted, 6th grade drop-out redneck there, the media hounds will want to make him an international TV star.

Not to worry though, I'll make sure the redneck's wearing a swastika armband, and carrying a "Bill White for President" sign. (just kidding).

If there's a cross-eyed, toothless, tobacco-chewing, barefooted, 6th grade drop-out redneck there, the media hounds will want to make him an international TV star.

Not to worry though, I'll make sure the redneck's wearing a swastika armband, and carrying a "Bill White for President" sign. (just kidding).


That's all true, yet that doesn't mean we ought not be as disciplined, on message, and prepared - as possible - if only to mitigate the effects of persons such as the one you described.

Do not talk to the media.


Spot on!

The mainstream media is nothing more than a network of jewish spies. If we refuse to give information to them, they will go blind.

Since i've never seen something similar posted in US-nationalist forums i'll give it a try here. Some points for political events every activist should memorize. German activists can sing it and comprehend it like a priest does verses from the bible.

I did translate the following from a german antifa site but its nearly the same stuff as found on german NS sites (the NS version is longer and i'm kind of lazy today) . Its incomplete yet and i will complete the translation and add a few more points over the next days:

-preparations:

Never go alone to rallies/demos. Not only is it more fun going to a rally with people you know and you trust but its also useful. For one it will become harder for undercover cops and agent provocateurs to blend in. Additionally its easier for the case,in which the cops beat on participants on some part of the demo, to stay calm and not run away. Ideally you go on a demo together ,return home from the demo together, prepare prior the start of the demo for various situations which might come up, discuss them, be honest, find out who in the group is more fearful and prepare accordingly.

-no drugs


Stay as fit as you can. Take a good breakfast (you dont know when you will be able to eat again), dont consume alcohol or other drugs the night before the demo and until the demo is over and you have returned home. Drugs impair your reflexes and perceptiveness. You put yourself and your comrades in risk otherwise.

-against conceitedness

A demo is no walkaway even if it often seems so. Not only can a demo take a long long time but there might come situationswhere you need to be quick and flexible.

Thats why no sandals or high heeled shoes, no bicycle or pull cart.

Choose your clothes according to practical means: weather, flexibility, inconspicuousness, and secure sensitive body parts. No make-up, no creme, no labello -since it will prove disadvantageous for you in the case of the police using tear gas. No contacts put on break-proof glasses. Be sure to have the medicine you need with you. There is no guarrantee that the cops
will supply you with the needed medicine in case of an arrest or encirclement of the demo.

-no database (IMPORTANT)

Leave your address book, pocketbook and other writings containing personal data home. Take only a single empty note, a pencil and your ID-card with you. You wont need the rest anyway. And the information could get into wrong hands.


to be continued...

Leave your address book, pocketbook and other writings containing personal data home. Take only a single empty note, a pencil and your ID-card with you. You wont need the rest anyway. And the information could get into wrong hands.


Good idea! I'm gonna leave my drivers license home and just take an ID. Cops love to steal shit and losing a DL is a big deal whereas an ID is only 3 bux.

Also, I'll add... if you do say something to the media don't get into an argument unless you can handle it as good as Rounder or Linder. They will purposefully say things to incite an argument and only put your response on the TV... not their incitement. Sean Hannity is a pro at that.

Not to worry though, I'll make sure the redneck's wearing a swastika armband, and carrying a "Bill White for President" sign. (just kidding).

Mayor, not president.

Dealing with Cops:

"I have nothing to say"
(lather, rinse, repeat.)



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http://www.resist.com/Articles/literature/KnowYourRights.htm

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The Supreme Jew Court ruled a year or two ago that you must identify yourself to a cop if it asks you. However, this would include only your name as far as identification is concerned and I'll be leaving my official documents in the car or other safe locale. Since I do not participate in the Social Security Scam due to religious objections I do not have a number either. :D I'm NOT going to be carrying ANY identifying documents on my person. Simply no law requiring me to and no reason to make anyone's job easy.

You can't give a cop what you don't have and that includes ID. One can certainly give a name but that will be as far as they get with me assuming they ask. Anymore than that is simply not required nor is it any of their business. Furthermore, one cannot not be detained or arrested for not having "your papers" on your body. Absent some specific articulable suspicion of our being involved in criminal activity they have no right to detain us for any length of time and absent probable cause no right whatsoever to arrest.

Since there is no law requiring anyone to carry any identifying documents upon his or her person. It would not be good policy for a cop to arrest any of us for not having an ID on our person after we have kindly provided our real names to any occifer that asks. They can't prove we aren't who we tell them we honestly identify ourselves to be and they can't arrest us for having no documents to prove it. Remember this isn't a police state totally.

Should be very interesting. I'll post more legal information as the time draws nearer with an ample number of cases to support what I say and to alleviate everyone's fear.

T

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You need give them your name only. I wouldn't be volunteering an address and especially a birth day. They will take that birth day and run an NCIC criminal background check on you if they have that information. By law an NCIC search can only be done if the officer suspects that you've committed a crime otherwise it's illegal for him to just do one out of curiosity.

Additionally, I would NOT put this information in writing as this is paramount to provided evidence against yourself. Do you realize this? If a cop approaches you tell him your name if asked and leave it at that. Any other information he may ask and I believe he must have specific articulable suspicion (SAF) to believe that you ARE, or ARE ABOUT TO BE, engaged in criminal behavior. Otherwise you CANNOT be detained absent probable cause which requires his or her having seen you actually commit a criminal act.

DO NOT VOLUNTEER INFORMATION PEOPLE.

If you have a camcorder bring it with you! Charge the batteries and have extra blank tapes IF you are approached by LEO. Turn that camera on and keep it pointed at the occifers face during the entire time you are interacting with him or her.

Ask the occifer if you are required to talk with him and tell him or her you wish to leave NOW. If you aren't under arrest then you are leaving. If you can't leave ask the occifer why and what crime he believes you have committed if he insists you remain for his impromptu questioning. Remember YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN PROVIDING YOUR NAME TO AN OFFICER. If you don't have a camcorder pick up a digital audio recorder and keep it with you. If approached turn it on record and make sure the mic is pointed in the occifers direction at all times.

The above camcorder or digital recorder will serve to limit any interaction with the cops and keep it to a minimum. They HATE being recorded especially with a camcorder.

Also stay in groups so that we support each other in terms of being a witness to any interaction with our people. Groups of 3 or more are best and if you have 3 camcorders have them all three on and pointed at the cop(s).

T

http://www.amazon.com/You-Police-Boston-T-Party/dp/1888766093/ref=sr_1_2/104-3819319-2275918?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174871899&sr=8-2

Southerners get to have all the fun.

5. Isn’t refusing to let the police search me an admission of guilt?
No. If a police officer asks your permission to search, you are under no obligation to consent. The main reason why officers ask is because they don’t have enough evidence to search without your consent. If you consent to a search request you give up one of the most important constitutional rights you have -- your Fourth Amendment (http://www.flexyourrights.org/fourth_amendment_history) protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.
A majority of avoidable, improper police searches occur because citizens naively waive their Fourth Amendment rights by consenting to warrantless searches. As a general rule, if a person consents to a warrantless search, the search automatically becomes legal. Consequently, whatever an officer finds during such a search can be used to convict the person.
Don’t expect a police officer to tell you about your right not to consent. Police officers are not required by law to inform you of your rights before asking you to consent to a search. In addition, police are prepared to use their authority to get people to consent to searches, and most people are predisposed to comply with any request an officer makes. For example, the average motorist stopped by an officer who asks them, "Would you mind if I search your vehicle, please?" will probably consent to the officer’s search without realizing that they have every right to deny the officer’s request.
If for any reason you don’t want the officer digging through your belongings, you should refuse to consent by saying something like, "Yes, I do mind. I have private, personal items in my [car, backpack, etc.] and do not want you looking through them." If the officer still proceeds to search you and find illegal contraband, your attorney can argue that the contraband was discovered through an illegal search and hence should be thrown out of court.
You should never hesitate to assert your constitutional rights. Just say "no!"
http://www.flexyourrights.org/frequently_asked_questions#05


6. If I’m not doing anything illegal, why shouldn’t I let the police search me?
The sad fact is that most people believe that they are under some kind of obligation to acquiesce when an officer contacts them and asks permission to search them or their belongings.
The truth is the exact opposite -- you have a right to associate with, and speak to, whomever you please. In this respect, there is nothing special about a police officer. Assuming you would not let a complete stranger look through your purse or search your pockets, why would you allow a police officer to do so -- especially if you’re doing nothing illegal? Just say "NO" to police searches!
http://www.flexyourrights.org/frequently_asked_questions#06


7. When do I have to show ID?
This is a tricky issue. As a general principle, citizens who are minding their own business are not obligated to "show their papers" to police. In fact, there is no law requiring citizens to carry identification of any kind.
Nonetheless, carrying an ID is required when you’re driving or flying. Driving without a license is a crime, and no one is allowed to board an airplane without first presenting an ID. These requirements have been upheld on the premise that individuals who prefer not to carry ID can choose not to drive or fly.
From here, ID laws only get more complicated. In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada (http://www.papersplease.org/hiibel), the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. Commonly known as 'stop and identify' statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.
Currently the following states have stop and identify laws: AL, AR, CO, DE, FL, GA, IL, KS, LA, MO, MT, NE, NH, NM, NV, NY, ND, RI, UT, VT, WI
Regardless of your state's law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in criminal activity. Rather than asking the officer if he/she has reasonable suspicion, test it yourself by asking if you're free to go.
If the officer says you’re free to go, leave immediately and refrain from answering any additional questions.
If the officer detains you, you'll have to decide whether withholding your identity is worth the possibility of arrest or a prolonged detention. In cases of mistaken identity, revealing who you are might help to resolve the situation quickly. On the other hand, if you're on parole in California, for example, revealing your identity could lead to a legal search. Knowing your state's laws can help you make the best choice.
Keep in mind that the officer's decision to detain you will not always hold up in court. ‘Reasonable suspicion' is a vague evidentiary standard, which lends itself to mistakes on the officer's part. If you're searched or arrested following an officer's ID request, always contact an attorney to discuss the incident and explore your legal options.
http://www.flexyourrights.org/frequently_asked_questions#07

9. What if the officer says he'll go easy on me if I cooperate?
Unfortunately, many people get fooled by some version of this commonly used police officer's line: Everything will be easier if you cooperate. That might be true sometimes, but when it comes to consenting to searches and answering incriminating questions, it couldn't be further from the truth.
http://www.flexyourrights.org/frequently_asked_questions#09


16. Can I be arrested for videotaping or photographing police?
Videotaping or photographing police in public places is usually legal, so long as you don’t interfere with their activities. Nonetheless, doing so will often get you arrested.
Police don’t like to be watched or documented in any way, so they’ll sometimes bend the rules to stop you. We’ve heard many stories about people who got arrested for taping police, and the charges are usually dropped. If you’re taping or photographing police, make sure you don’t interfere, because “obstruction” is the most likely charge, and you’ll want to be able to defend against it.
Despite the risk of arrest, we don’t discourage the taping and photographing of police. Video evidence is uniquely effective in exposing police misconduct. If you acquire video or photographic evidence that warrants an official investigation, create and secure copies of the evidence, then forward it to local police monitoring groups such as civilian review boards, VNNFORUM.COM, and WN chapters. You should also obtain legal representation for yourself in case the police department retaliates against you.
http://www.flexyourrights.org/frequently_asked_questions#16

(PART 2)


during the demo:

You never know what might happen next. Thats why stick to the people you know. It never hurts to pull together and build a human chain. Not only does it increase the mood considerably and coordinates the speaking choirs, but it also offers a fine protection against intruders or cops gone mad. Thats why look to it that the chain has no openings and demand from people who loosely run through or in front of the chains to enqueue or to get out of the way.

-investigation committee (IV)

On many rallies/demos/etc. the organizers have arranged for an investigation committee (IV), in some cities there are steady IV's. The IV is reachable per phone during and even after the event. The phone number is handed out to the participants either per hand-notes during the rally or announced through megaphones. The IV gathers the names of the injured and arrested and makes an effort to find a laywer for the latter. After an arrested participant is set free again he contacts the IV and delivers a mnemonic-protocol about his/her arrest. Witnesses of police brutality and arrests should immidiately contact the IV too, so that they might be available by the laywers of the victim at preliminary proceedings for example.

-at assaults

Do not panic. Take a deep breath, stay firm and request from the rest to do the same. At the latest its the time to build human chains and if there is no other way to orderly and close retreat a bit. More than often a good functioning chain can hold off the assaults of the cops, the disruption of the demo, arrests and the leaving behind of the injured.

-injuries

If you or someone arround you is injured approach the identified demo-medic (in case there is one, you will know soon enough when the demo starts the organizers will refer to it). If there are no demo-medics to be found than take your frineds and organize the evacuation of the injured. If you have to look out for a hospital (depending on how serious the injury is), try to find one which is a bit farther away from the event so you wont be brought into connection with the demo. After the admittance you can say the truth, namely that you stepped on a banana peel and fell or that you collapsed on the stairs and so on. It wont be the first time that hospitals will give the personal data of injured participants of a demo to the police which could later on lead to a number of problematic situations.

-after the demo

The smart way is to not return home alone. Even at the end of the demos or afterwards the police will often try to arrest individuals. Return in groups and always look behind if you're being followed. In case there had been trouble on the demo phone some friends at home so they know where you have been and that you wont go missing.

If you are witness of police brutality, arrests and so on, write up a mnemonic-protocol as soon as you can and contact the IV. In the protocol you should write:

1.The place where the arrest, the removal of participants, tear gassing or other police brutality took place.

2.The name of the victim/arrested, further witness (if you dont know the names write down a detailed description)

3.What exactly happened

4.The number of cops and their appereance (as detailed as possible).

...to be continued

If you hand a cop your DL they will run it and then harass you if you have a Concealed Carry permit. Been there, done that. I wasn't real crazy with just handing over my DL, but I was told by one of folks that they'd make it hard on us if we didn't. From now on, I'm leaving the goddamn thing in the car, so I won't be lying when they ask to see my license.

If you hand a cop your DL they will run it and then harass you if you have a Concealed Carry permit. Been there, done that. I wasn't real crazy with just handing over my DL, but I was told by one of folks that they'd make it hard on us if we didn't. From now on, I'm leaving the goddamn thing in the car, so I won't be lying when they ask to see my license.

This is exactly what I said in one of my posts above yours. If you give them enough information, whether you hand them hard copy ID or not, THEY WILL RUN AN NCIC CHECK ON THE NAME YOU GIVE THEM regardless of the fact that they may not have either SPECIFIC ARTICULABLE SUSPICION to believe you are ENGAGED IN or ABOUT TO ENGAGE IN criminal behavior. Or in the alternative have PROBABLE CAUSE TO DETAIN OR ARREST YOU upon your giving them identifying information. Before running an NCIC check an officer is supposed to possess at least SPECIFIC ARTICULABLE SUSPICION otherwise the act of the NCIC is without legal justification.

Although I'm not a lawyer, yet, I am currently researching Tennessee law as it relates to the case of Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada. For an incredibly thorough background on the Hiibel case check out the information on this website (http://www.epic.org/privacy/hiibel/).

It's significant to note that in the Hiibel case the court determined that the officer had reasonable suspicion to stop and request that Hiibel identify himself.

"(b) The officer’s conduct did not violate Hiibel’s Fourth Amendment rights. Ordinarily, an investigating officer is free to ask a person for identification without implicating the Amendment. INS v. Delgado, 466 U.S. 210, 216. Beginning with Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, the Court has recognized that an officer’s reasonable suspicion that a person may be involved in criminal activity permits the officer to stop the person for a brief time and take additional steps to investigate further."
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-5554.ZS.html

A police officer may, like any other person on the street, stop you and begin a conversation. But like any other person on the street you may just ignore that officer and walk away. See Terry vs. Ohio. An officer MUST HAVE REASONABLE SUSPICION before s\he may stop and detain anyone and request that the person so stopped identify himself. There is no law requiring anyone to carry hard copy ID on their person. Period. Reasonable suspicion is such that the officer must be able to articulate his suspicions and state specifically what those suspicions are and what criminal activity s\he believes the individual is, or is about to, engage. Reasonable suspicion is suspicion that A REASONABLE OFFICER IN THE SAME SITUATION might also possess and that can be verbalized with specificity. It cannot be some vague "feeling." It must be concrete suspicion that can be articulated to another reasonable officer hence the term SPECIFIC ARTICULABLE SUSPICION or as the cops call it "SAF."

"SAF" falls short of the legal theory of PROBABLE CAUSE where the later is sufficient for arrest. If the officer has PROBABLE CAUSE to arrest then the one so accused has the RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT regardless of any law requiring identification.

I'll post additional information on this subject after further research into the Hiibel case and what is actually required when one is asked identify himself to a cop. Again there is no law requiring anyone to carry hard copy ID on their person and I will not be carrying any such "papers" on my person during the rally.

T