http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/migration12.html

came across this link... I have the map shown on the page in wall poster form. It's what I, as someone who reads up on Christian Identity learns about exactly where the Caucasian race came from... Israelites were WHITE... JEWS are NOT..

Isaac’s sons (the Sax-sons) I'd like to see more about that part. What are the other claims, if any, about the origin of the word "Saxon"?

Sounding alike isn't always enough.

I saw some pretty fun stuff about black jesus coming back to kick honkey's ass, on a public access channel here in KC not long ago. They relied heavily on this-sounds-like-that.

BTW I don't remember the name of the group but they were big into using hebrew characters and "magen davids" and whatnot on the screen. It wasn't a "black muslim" cult, but a "black jew" version.

On the net I can only find that the romans used "saxo", but then it says it's of "germanic origin" which bounces us back to where we started from.

Is there any more specific information about the origin of the name?

Genesis contains two significant prophecies about the name of the Israelite peoples. In the first, Genesis 21:12, God tells Abraham to send Ishmael and his mother away, "for in Isaac your seed shall be called." Paul repeats this twice in the New Testament (Romans 9:7; Hebrews 11:18). On the surface this seems to mean that God would consider Isaac's progeny to be the true sons of Abraham, and this is true. But it means so much more! It also means that Israel would call itself by the name "Isaac" in later times.

The second prophecy concerns Jacob's blessing on the sons of Joseph. In his prayer he asks God to "bless the lads; let my name be named upon them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac" (Genesis 48:16). This confirms God's words to Abraham, only this time it is specifically directed toward the birthright tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. The descendants of Joseph would bear the names of the patriarchs, particularly Isaac.

Amos, written less than a half century before Israel fell, uses the name "Isaac" twice to refer to Israel:

The high places of Isaac shall be desolate, and the sanctuaries of Israel shall be laid waste. . . . Now therefore, hear the word of the LORD: You say, "Do not prophesy against Israel, and do not spout against the house of Isaac." (Amos 7:9, 16)

Israel may have already been calling itself "the house of Isaac" or "the sons of Isaac" even before their overthrow and captivity.

After Assyria fell, ancient records tell of a new people living around the shores of the Caspian Sea. These people were variously known as Sakai, Sacae, Sagetae, Sakki, Scyths, Scythians, Scuths, Scuits, Scolotoi, and Scots. In his book The Tribes, Yair Davidy writes:

SACCAE was the contemporary Middle Eastern term for Scyth and the name is believed to be a derivative of 'Isaac'. The appellation 'Saxe' or 'Saxon' is a further development of the same name. (p. 128)

Sharon Turner, author of History of the Anglo-Saxons, agrees, "Saka-Suna or the Sons of Sakai abbreviated into Saksun, which is the same sound as Saxon, seems a reasonable etymology of the word 'Saxon'" (p. 87). It takes no great leap of reason to conclude that "Saxons" is a corrupted form of "Isaac's sons."

Where do we find the Anglo-Saxon peoples living in these last days? In the very same place the Bible tells us Israel would be: northwestern Europe and its colonies!

Saxons were named after the Seax, the blade which they were known for using.

WK can you give some links for that? I suspect that non-believers of your theory will claim that the saxons named the blade after themselves, or someone else did.

Does "Seax" definition have to do with an inanimate object, or was it named after a people who used it? Is it latin? Is it greek? and so on.

WK can you give some links for that? I suspect that non-believers of your theory will claim that the saxons named the blade after themselves, or someone else did.

Does "Seax" definition have to do with an inanimate object, or was it named after a people who used it? Is it latin? Is it greek? and so on.

"Seax" is strictly an inanimate object. It is the "food knife," a dagger which doubled as a weapon and an eating utensil. The name is strictly Germanic, or at least derived from Pre-Indo-European northern languages. It is not derived from Greek or Latin.

As long as the CI don't try to burn me as an "infidel," let them run amock in a world of 7th-grade linguistics if they want. The niggers play these same third-rate word-games all the time, usually to prove that "Mother Africa" is the source of the "true Israelites," or that Caucasian (a term which wasn't coined until 18th century France) means "Carcass-Asian," (i.e. whites are descended from slant-eyes who scavenged dead animals).

Of course, when we see niggers playing the same games CIs do, that's silly and apish and just plain out-and-out wacky. But when some middle-aged Midewesterner claims that Germanics originated in the fucking middle-eastern desert, and that the Hebrews spoke an Indo-European language (Hebrew doesn't even put its fucking plurals on the ends of words, as does every Aryan language; it sticks the plural in the middle!*), well by god that's solid and impeccable scholarship!


*Hebrew is closely related to Arabic. An example of a Semetic plural is fatwa (singular), fatawa (plural)

LOL!
I knew this thread was going to be a shitpit of moronic CI dogma.
Glad to see that a couple of you guys actually have some sense.

LOL!
I knew this thread was going to be a shitpit of moronic CI dogma.
Glad to see that a couple of you guys actually have some sense.


CI dogma?? Ok why don't you explain to us where the Aryan man came from?? Did he climb out of the primordial soup before the other shit species evolved???

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/migration12.html

came across this link... I have the map shown on the page in wall poster form. It's what I, as someone who reads up on Christian Identity learns about exactly where the Caucasian race came from... Israelites were WHITE... JEWS are NOT..

I could dismantle that information piece by piece with history, science, and logic. It's almost like the WN's equivalent of "racial equality."

It's a fact that Saxon when properly interpreted means Sons of Isaac.

It's a fact that Saxon when properly interpreted means Sons of Isaac.


A fact from where, you fucking idiot cocksucker?
Who the fuck do you think you are to show up here with 3 fucking posts and decide what is factual?

You CIs are the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. You're every bit as dim and delusional as all the niggers who think Jesus was a "brotha".
You re-wrote a "history" that had already been re-written by the jews. Wow.
What a great way to gain credibility!

A fact from where, you fucking idiot cocksucker?
Who the fuck do you think you are to show up here with 3 fucking posts and decide what is factual?

You CIs are the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. You're every bit as dim and delusional as all the niggers who think Jesus was a "brotha".
You re-wrote a "history" that had already been re-written by the jews. Wow.
What a great way to gain credibility!

People like -ngrh8r- make my Aryan heart bleed :-(

Yep a junior member who just pops up to say that he wipes his white Aryan ass with rude nitwit morons like you. So you think you can act like the boss here because you hanged out a lot here and posted many post. Isn't anyone else entitled to his opinion anymore. Or are you the type of person that can't stand the opinion of others. Never heard of free speech?! To me you are a jewified prick then.

I will tush in some Viking rule for you here then.
The Danelaw: Every white man among us is entitled to his opinion and equal among us.

So stick this up your ass:

Junior Senior I'm I couldn't care less. Or is that the more post you have the more you can say and kick someone with less post in the this is NOT relevant to have discussion based on arguments and facts.

What -Righteous anger- says "stimmt" namely:

It's a fact that Saxon when properly interpreted means Sons of Isaac.

If you have a problem with people expressing their beliefs or opinion then go fuck of yourself to some other forum.

A forum were only a dictator like dipstick like you can say what he wants. Just create your own forum and keep it for yourself. So you can call yourself names and don't have to worry about others saying what they think. The white movement is everywhere not only on this forum what seems is it was to you your private domain. Number of postings is irrelevant; contains are relevant. We don't need assholes like you go fuck off yourself if you don't respect your white brother.:eek:

I think you should excuse yourself to Righteous anger. If you have the balls your are my friend if not guys like you are cancer to the movement who just make that we can never build to slay the jEW out of our midst. In Unity we stand divided we fall. Respect your brother or you are no equal brother of your fellow Aryans.

So what it’s gonna be? Do you have the honor or are you the coward without it.

Saka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka)

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Issyk_Golden_Cataphract_Warrior.jpg/200px-Issyk_Golden_Cataphract_Warrior.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Issyk_Golden_Cataphract_Warrior.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Issyk_Golden_Cataphract_Warrior.jpg)
A cataphract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataphract)-style parade armour of a Saka royal from the Issyk kurgan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issyk_kurgan).


The Sakas were the Scythians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians) who lived in the eastern part of Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia). They are considered as Iranian people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples) by modern scholars.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-2) They lived in what is now Kazakhstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan), Uzbekistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbekistan), Tajikistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajikistan), Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan), Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) and parts of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine), and Altay Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altay_Mountains) and Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia) in Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia), in the centuries before 300.
Saka is the usual Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language) term, while Scythian is a Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) term. Some of their neighbours included the Sarmatians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians), Issedones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issedones) and Massagetae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massagetae). Their language is poorly known, but seems to have originally been a member of the Iranian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_language) family (though some question whether this applied to all strata of their society, or only the ruling class at various times). They were known to the Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) as the Sai (Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language): 塞, Old Sinitic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Chinese) *sək).
In Akkadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language), the Saka were called the Ashkuza and were closely associated with the Gimirri, who were the Cimmerians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians) known to the ancient Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece). In ancient Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew) texts, the Ashkuz (Ashkenaz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenaz)) are even considered to be a direct offshoot from the Gimirri (Gomer).
Scythians and Sakas in classical sources

Modern historical accounts of the Indo-Scythian wars often assume that the Scythian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian) protagonists were a single tribe called the Saka (Sakai or Sakas). But earlier Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) and Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) texts suggest that the term Scythians referred to a much more widespread grouping of Central Asian peoples.
To Herodotus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus) (484-425 BC), the Sakai were the 'Amurgioi Skuthai' (i.e. Scythians from Ammyurgia).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-3) Strabo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo) (Gaius Julius Caesar Strabo, 63 BC-AD 24 circa) suggests that the term Skuthais (Scythians) referred to the Sakai and several other tribes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-4) Arrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrian) (Lucius Flavius Arrianus 'Xenophon' , c92-175 AD), refers to the Sakai as Skuthon (a Scythian people) or the Skuthai (the Scythians) who inhabit Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-5)
It is clear that the Greek and Latin scholars cited here believed, all Sakai were Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakai.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-6) It seems likely that modern confusion about the identity of the Scythians is partly due to the Persians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians). According to Herodotus, the Persians called all Scythians by the name Sakas.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-7) Pliny the Elder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) (Gaius Plinius Secundus, 23–79 AD) provides a more detailed explanation, stating that the Persians gave the name Sakai to the Scythian tribes: "nearest to them".[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-8) This likely explains why the Scythians began to be called Sakai.
Another clue to the true identity of the Scythians is the widespread area in which classical scholars thought they lived. The ancient Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks) wrote that the homelands of the Scythian peoples included Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia) east of the Caspian Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea), north of Hindukush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindukush)/Karakoram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakoram) and west of China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) extending as far as Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia). This suggests Scythia was a generic term that was loosely applied to a vast area of Central Asia spanning numerous groups and diverse ethnicities.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png/250px-Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png)
Approximate extent of Scythia and Sarmatia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatia) in the 1st century BC.


Strabo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo) defined all the Central Asian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia) clans inhabiting the area east of the Caspian Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea) as Scythian in culture.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-9) Diodorus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diodorus) (Diodorus Siculus, c90–30 BC) said that Mt Hemodos was the dividing line between Scythia and India,[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-10) ancient Greek sources used a variety of names for this mountain, including Himaos, Imaos and Paropamisos but generally place it in the Himalayas.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-11)
Ptolemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy) (Claudius Ptolemaeus, c90-168) writes that Skuthia was not only "within the Imaos" (the Himalayas) and "beyond the Imaos" (north of the Himalayas), but also speaks of a separate "land of the Sakais" within Scythia [13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-12). Both Solinus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solinus) and Pliny report that the Ganges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganges) was one of the greatest rivers of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) and has its source in the Scythian mountains [14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-13).
When ancient texts refer to the Sakai living in the Mt. Hemodos area or the Himalayan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himalayas) region, they are also talking about a much wider area than the modern Himalayas. Greek texts refer to Mt. Hemodos as Kaukasos, the Caucasus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus), which is the Greek word for the entire Hindukush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindukush) region.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-14) In the ancient Sanskrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit)/Pali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81li) texts, the Himalayas spanned the eastern and western oceans and so included the Hindukush and Karakoram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakoram) ranges.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-15)
Ptolemy meanwhile says that the Scythian tribes living in the Hindukush ranges were only at the southern fringe of the Scythian world. By this definition, the Parama Kambojas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parama_Kambojas) tribe who lived in the far off Transoxiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transoxiana) territory as distant as the Fargana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargana) and Zeravshan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeravshan) valleys were also Scythians.
With Scythia covering such a wide area, it is no wonder classical scholars like Strabo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo) and the Historiae Philippcae writings of 1st century BC Roman historian Pompeius Trogus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompeius_Trogus) (Gnaeus Pompeius Trogus), classified any Asio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asii)/Asii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asii) or Asiani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiani) and Kambojan clans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan) connected with horse culture as Scythic races (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians).

Strabo's evidence

According to Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks) chronicler Strabo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo) [17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-16), Bactriana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria) was taken by nomads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad) like Asii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asii)/Asio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asio), Pasianoi, Tokhario and Sakarauloi who had originally come from country from other side of Jaxartes (Central Asia) [18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-17). The prologus XLI of Historiae Philippcae also refers to the Scythian invasion of the Greek kingdom of Bactria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria) and Sogdiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdiana)---the invaders are described as Saraucae and Asiani [19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-18). The Saraucae are Sacarauli and Asiani are Asii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asii) or Asio of Strabo [20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-19). These references conceal the information that after being turned out from Issyk-kul lake and in their movements to Bactria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria) via Sogdiana and Fargana, under pressure from Ta Yue-chih, the Issyk-kul Sakas (Sakaraulois) had been joined on the way by sections of other Scythian tribes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe) of the intervening regions during their southerly or south-westerly movements to Bactria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria). The term Asio (or Asii) obviously refers to horse People [21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-20)and undoubtedly refers to the Kambojas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambojas) of the Parama Kamboja (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parama_Kamboja) domain whose Aswas or horses too have been glorified by Mahabharata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata) [22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-21) as being of excellent quality. In fact, Asio, Asi/Asii, Asva/Aswa, Ari-aspi, Aspasios, Aspasii (or Hippasii) are variant names the Classical writers have given to the horse-clans of the Kambojas of Scythian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian) domain [23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-22). The Tokharios are assumed by some scholars to be Rishikas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishikas). But the Rishikas were a closely affiliated to the Parama-Kambojas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parama-Kambojas) as per Mahabharata evidence [24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-23). Similarly, the Pasianois were another Scythian tribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe) from Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia). Saraucae or Sakarauloi obviously refers to the Saka proper from Issyk-kul Lake. Some scholars tend to link the Rishikas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishikas) with Tukharas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tukharas) and later with the Ta Yue-chis themselves. If one accepts this connection, then the Tukharas (==> Rishikas ==> Yue-chihs) had controlled the eastern parts of Bactria country (Ta-hia) while the combined forces of the Sakarauloi, 'Asio' (horse people = Parama Kambojas) and the 'Pasinoi' of Strabo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo) etc had occupied its western parts after being displaced from the original home in Fargana/Alai valley by the Ta-Yuechis. As stated earlier, Ta-hia is taken to mean Tukhara/Tokhara which also included Badakshan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badakshan), Chitral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitral), Kafirstan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafirstan) and Wakhan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhan) which are said to have formed eastern parts of Bactria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria) [25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-24) According to other scholars, it were the Saka hordes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horde) alone who had put an end to the Greek kingdom of Bactria [26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-25).

Location of the Sakas

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Central_Asia_Physical.jpg/375px-Central_Asia_Physical.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Central_Asia_Physical.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Central_Asia_Physical.jpg)
Physical map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_map) of Central Asia from the Caucasus in the northwest, to Mongolia in the northeast.


The Sakas had at least three major settlements, Saka Haumavarka, Saka Tigrakhauda and Saka Taradarya, according to inscriptions left by King Achaemenid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid) Darius I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_I) (522-486 BC) in the city of Hamadan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamadan) and his royal seat of Perspolis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspolis). [27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-26) However, scholars think these three settlements may be merely remnants of a much greater civilization left by the waves of Scythian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians) migrations back to the middle of the 8th century BC.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-27)
The Darian inscriptions say that the Sakas Haumavarka lived 'beyond Sogdiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdiana)' (para-Sugudam) which when seen from Perspolis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspolis), seems to point to Tashkant, Fargana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargana), Kashgar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashgar) and nearby regions.[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-28) The Sakas Tigrakhauda lived near the Arals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral) in the lower valleys of the Jaxartes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaxartes) as well as the plains north of the Jaxartes. The third Sakas settlement,Sakas Taradarya, was located north of the Black Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) in the Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) Steppes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppes).[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-29)
There are also references to the Saka Haumavarka in ancient Indian texts. It seems likely that it was these Sakas Haumavarka and other allied tribes such as the Lohas, Parama Kambojas, Rishikas, etc that lived in, and north of the Pamir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir) mountains as far as Kashgar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashgar), Fargana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargana) and Issyk-kul Lake, that entered into conflict with the Ta Yue-chi or Great Yue-chi and migrated into northern India. [31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-30) According to the evidence furnished by Mahabharata, the Transoxian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transoxiana) Pamir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir) mountains and regions to the north as far as Fargana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargana) were known as the lands of the allied Lohas, Parama Kambojas, Rishikas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishikas), etc tribes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe) [32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-31). All these peoples living in the Scythia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythia) of the classical writers or the Shakadvipa of Indian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India) texts, were lumped together and given the general name Sacae by Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks) and Sakas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakas) by the Iranians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran). They were known as Shakas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakas) in Indian texts [33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka#_note-32).

Connection theories

The following sections deal mostly with popular traditions of Saka descent found among numerous Asian and European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe) peoples.

Scythian origins

The Scythian language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_language) is considered by mainstream historians and linguists as one of the Iranian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_languages).
The Saka speakers were gradually conquered and acculturated by the Turkic expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_expansion) to Central Asia beginning in the 4th century.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/PazyrikHorseman.JPG/200px-PazyrikHorseman.JPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PazyrikHorseman.JPG) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PazyrikHorseman.JPG)
Saka (Scythian) horseman from Pazyryk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyryk) in Central Asia, c. 300 BC.


Ashkanian is the dynasty name of the Parthian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthia) empire and sources indicate that the Parthian revolt against Greek dominance over Persia started in the Semnan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semnan) region.
Ashkanian means "Sakan people" or "Saka descendants". An Arab source names Sagsar as the place from which Ashkanians originated.
Sagsar, or according to varies sources, "Saka sar" or "Sagasar", is now modern Sangsar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangsar), a city in the mountainous region of Semnan Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semnan_Province), in the north of Iran.
Semnan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semnan) is also derived from Sakestan, which during the Parthian empire was one of the largest provinces connecting the northern Alborz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alborz) mountains to eastern Iran bordering the Kushan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushan) empire, now Pakistan and Afghanistan. Moreover, many of the legends recorded in the national Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_literature) epic, Shahnameh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahnameh) are believed to be a mixture of Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_literature), Sogdian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdian) and Saka legends. Sagsar and Semnan are mentioned in Firdosi's Shahnameh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahnameh), particularly honoring the brave people of Sagsar and their couragous uprising against injustice. Sangsaris are still famous for being a sensitive people, proud of their culture and language, one of oldest and best preserved of ancient Iranian languages.
There is a Sangsari (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sangsari&action=edit) dictionary containing 18000 words which is published in Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language), English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) and French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language) and an investigation of the language may help find valuable clues, keys concerning the Sakas.

Speculations about Celtic and Germanic connections

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Golden plaques representing the resurrection of a dead hero (Saka culture, 5th century BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_century_BC), Hermitage Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermitage_Museum)).


Some researchers have argued that both the Celtic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts) and Germanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples) people came from an area southeast of the Black Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) and migrated westward to the coast of Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe), starting with the reign of the Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persia) king Cyrus the Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great) when they declined to help him in his conquest of the Babylonian empire. Herodotus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus) (440 BC) mentions a division of Persians known as Germanioi (Hist. 1.125). However, this is probably an imprecise rendering of the name Kerman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerman) (later Greek sources have Karmanioi), and thus, according to some sources, may have nothing to do with the Latin name of the Germanic people.
The adherents of the Saka theory point out that the burial customs of the Scythians and the Vikings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking) show certain similarities. Furthermore, the Old English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_language) chroniclers write that when the Saxons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_people) invaded England ca. 400 AD together with the Angli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angli), they "sent back to Scythia for reinforcements". The implication is that the Saxons considered themselves to be Scythians -- the name having traveled with them even though they were far away from the region the Greeks had labelled "Scythia". However, the chroniclers have most probably taken over the name Scythia and its somewhat imprecise usage from the Latin literature; Scythia was identified with Sweden because of a superficial similarity of the two names (due to the fact that Scythia was pronounced [sitia] in Medieval Latin).
According to some traditions, the Saka race, with an affiliated tribe under a different name, migrated to the area of the Baltic Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Sea), and supposedly gave rise to the Saxon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_people) tribe in the area of present day Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany). This claim was cited in favour of Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) claims that Germans were "original descendants of the Aryan race". However, contemporary philologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philology) have rejected this notion, questioning the archaeological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology) evidence for major cultural contacts between anyone in Uzbekistan or Iran, and the Baltic area. Nevertheless, many Germans believe that there was a connection between people in Central Asia and their own ancestors who were migrants from the East.
Paul Pezon (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Pezon&action=edit) supports this theory, claiming that the Saka Scythians and the seemingly related Cimmerians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians) were ultimately ancestors to the Celts and Germans, and that the Germans fled the Baltic area when it was flooded by the rising sea level after the Ice age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age). He believes that the German tribe Cimbri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimbri) have descended from a branch of the Cimmerians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians).
Some philologists studying the Germanic languages disagree with this hypothesis. There is a distant relationship between the Iranic Saka and the Germanic people due to the fact that both speak Indo-European languages. Their common forefathers which gave rise to Germanic and Iranian probably lived somewhere near the Black Sea. However, the two languages don't have too much in common in addition to their common origin, and therefore the contact between them must have terminated at a relatively early stage.

External links
Scythians/Sacae: Article by Jona Lendering (http://www.livius.org/sao-sd/scythians/scythians.html)
Article by Kivisild et al on genetic heritage of early Indian settlers (http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Kivisild2003b.pdf)

"Seax" is strictly an inanimate object. It is the "food knife," a dagger which doubled as a weapon and an eating utensil. The name is strictly Germanic, or at least derived from Pre-Indo-European northern languages. It is not derived from Greek or Latin.

As long as the CI don't try to burn me as an "infidel," let them run amock in a world of 7th-grade linguistics if they want. The niggers play these same third-rate word-games all the time, usually to prove that "Mother Africa" is the source of the "true Israelites," or that Caucasian (a term which wasn't coined until 18th century France) means "Carcass-Asian," (i.e. whites are descended from slant-eyes who scavenged dead animals).

Of course, when we see niggers playing the same games CIs do, that's silly and apish and just plain out-and-out wacky. But when some middle-aged Midewesterner claims that Germanics originated in the fucking middle-eastern desert, and that the Hebrews spoke an Indo-European language (Hebrew doesn't even put its fucking plurals on the ends of words, as does every Aryan language; it sticks the plural in the middle!*), well by god that's solid and impeccable scholarship!


*Hebrew is closely related to Arabic. An example of a Semetic plural is fatwa (singular), fatawa (plural)
Actually ancient Hebrew is closely related to Welsh. Hitler believed that the Saxons descended from from the Sakas (Eastern Scythians). Many German aristocratic families can trace their geneology back to the Alan General Aspar the patricius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricius) and magister militum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magister_militum) ("Master of Soldiers") of the Eastern Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Roman_Empire). Prince Phillip, Queen Elizabeth's husband is a descendant of Aspar.