I know most christians believe in bible prophecy. Armaggedon, the antichrist, etc. They are told, no scared, into believing it by various authors and preachers. But is it credible? The whole point of this thread is to try to understand why most christians will defend jews and israel. Why they support billions of dolllars in grants to israel. Such statements as "If you bless israel/jews, you will be blessed. If you scorn israel/jews you will be scorned". If bible prophecy is debunked, then the rest of it is debunked, in my opinion. I personally know many christians who have never even read the bible. For more info checkout "skeptics annotated bible" (its in my signature below) lots of good info. If its not credible, then why do people believe it? Your thoughts, please.
Frey

No. Most Christians dont believe in what you are calling "prophecy" which means in a literal sense, prediction of the future by sacred text or utterance.

What a sensible Christian believes is that "prophecy" in sacred traditions describes cycles which are likely to recur. Thus, in the OT book of Daniel, the "daniel" has a dream about a statute with a head of gold, body of iron, feet of clay, which he "interprets" for the Babylonian king to mean the demise of the Empire.

Now today hocus pocus types like Hal Lindsey use that to "prophesy" the End of the World (yawn) and so forth. Eschatological nonsense, invented by the Persians and aped by early Christians to woo the Mithraists into the church. Today, mostly appealing to uneducated Whites who like us are always looking forward to the "Day of the Rope," our own little fantasy.

But in fact, "Daniel" is no more than a Jew's retelling of an earlier Aryan idea, that of the cyclical nature of human society. The ancient Aryans spoke of the Golden age degenerating into lesser ages culminating in the worst, the "Kali Yuga" or age of Kali the destroyer-ess. Then, a new golden age emerges out of the ashes.

The Greeks had a similar idea articulate in terms of Golden age and silver age and so forth.

So ancient Aryans "believed in prophecy" as part of their sacred traditions, by which they mostly thought history would repeat itself.

Not so different from Oswald Spengler's work "Decline of the West" if you ask me.

No. Most Christians dont believe in what you are calling "prophecy" which means in a literal sense, prediction of the future by sacred text or utterance.

What a sensible Christian believes is that "prophecy" in sacred traditions describes cycles which are likely to recur. Thus, in the OT book of Daniel, the "daniel" has a dream about a statute with a head of gold, body of iron, feet of clay, which he "interprets" for the Babylonian king to mean the demise of the Empire.

Now today hocus pocus types like Hal Lindsey use that to "prophesy" the End of the World (yawn) and so forth. Eschatological nonsense, invented by the Persians and aped by early Christians to woo the Mithraists into the church. Today, mostly appealing to uneducated Whites who like us are always looking forward to the "Day of the Rope," our own little fantasy.

But in fact, "Daniel" is no more than a Jew's retelling of an earlier Aryan idea, that of the cyclical nature of human society. The ancient Aryans spoke of the Golden age degenerating into lesser ages culminating in the worst, the "Kali Yuga" or age of Kali the destroyer-ess. Then, a new golden age emerges out of the ashes.

The Greeks had a similar idea articulate in terms of Golden age and silver age and so forth.

So ancient Aryans "believed in prophecy" as part of their sacred traditions, by which they mostly thought history would repeat itself.

Not so different from Oswald Spengler's work "Decline of the West" if you ask me.


I have to disagree with you. Most christians I know expect the antichrist to make his way onto the world scene soon. The first 3 and a half years, he will sucker everyone into a false peace, the second 3 and a half years he will be possessed by the devil and unleash all kinds of havoc. You "yawn" but no one else I know is "yawning". They really belive it. They have no idea that the jews mixed in Aryan tales to make it more pallatable for the pagans. You are a christian, I don't know which sect, but do you believe jesus is coming back?

On another note, I respect you for spearheading the Matt Hale fundraiser. Mostly because you have a difference of opinion on religion. I just read the sticky last night. IMHO there are too many stickys. I have been away from vnn for a while. I will send $10 to the fund, and $10 to Alex. What little we have isn't cheap.
Again, if Jack van impe or hal lindsey say "its coming" The christians believe them. One thing is for sure, we are living in interesting times.

Frey

Most christians I know expect the antichrist to make his way onto the world scene soon...... One thing is for sure, we are living in interesting times.

Tell me about it. I’ve seen many a sensitive, good christian turn sour at even the hint of a difference of opinion from our savior, “George Bush.” They externalize the antichrist into Hussein or bin Laden. How’s that for Jewish indoctrination?! Their interests lie in the Middle East. Why else would our young men be stationed there? Indeed, we live in a precarious time; but it is often the case that our greatest opportunity for ample support arises when there is a need for unity. I think we can safely say that we live in such a time.