A topic for debate:

can Christians do any 'Good' ?

I suggest, in the first instance we clarify the terms - christian and good, and then we can follow by deliberating towards a conclusion.

So,

what is a Christian ?

and

what is 'Good' ?

any answers, anyone ?

According to the Panzer Pope, the only Christians are the ones who belong to the Catholic Church.

According to myself, good is what you like. What you don't like is not good.

The Catholic Church has been useful for brainwashing the masses of white people to conform. Their influence has been on the wane since the days of Martin Luther.

Conformity of the majority of the masses is essential to civilization. The sheeple are good for doing what they're told.

Christianity must be subverted and replaced with Creativity. The masses will be better informed and thus less destructive.

Naturally, he's the "head" of that Church... It won't be clever to state "All Christian denominations are real Christians"...



Then our laws should be void, some like it to kill others like it to rape, that's their likings, our laws stand against it because it's not our likings..


Um, for a creed with morals one can be a Creator, a Nazi, a Fascist.......
Why believe that a JEW written book contains the morals of the White race???

A christian is a follower of a NON WHITE IDEOLOGY, that was created by the JEWS around 100-150 CE! Saul of Tarsus was the JEW responsible for its main finished writings.

A christian hates his family and loves his enemies!

A christian believes in the illogical! He rejects common sense! He is ANTI WHITE!!

Nature tells us that "good" is that witch is best for our species!
As to morals? I find mine in my own head, in the writings of Klassen, and in Natures realm!!

RAHOWA!

We shouldn't have any laws then...Sounds like the birth of Anarchy.
Not really. Civilization requires laws. They're designed to keep the masses in line.
I would say anything that is positive is good, anything that is negative is bad, how basic can that be?
Morals are a very personal thing. Religion is designed to educate on character. Personal experience can help people evolve individual perception of what good character is.

A christian is a follower of a NON WHITE IDEOLOGY, that was created by the JEWS around 100-150 CE! Saul of Tarsus was the JEW responsible for its main finished writings.Proof? This is unsupported anti-Christian rhetoric spewed out by OJ RevGroid, and it's sock-puppets. OJ RevGroid has a unhealthy fixation on the Apostle Paul. Are you aware that Paul was a Roman citizen, and had been a Roman soldier. His brother was a Roman senator, who married Claudia daughter of the British King.


A christian hates his family and loves his enemies! False, every Christian that I know loves their family and their life revolves around family. RevGroid speaks of family yet has no wife or children, great example he is. I hate my enemies, which include the World Church of the 'Creatard'.

A christian believes in the illogical! He rejects common sense! He is ANTI WHITE!!Proof? This is just more unsupported anti-Christian rhetoric spewed by OJ RevGroid and it's sock-puppets.

Nature tells us that "good" is that witch is best for our species!
As to morals? I find mine in my own head, in the writings of Klassen, and in Natures realm!! Nature is full of things both "Good" and "Evil", OJ RevGroid has obviously not journeyed much beyond the walls of the city where it grew up. At least most Mormons that I know have served a mission far from where they grew up. It always brings up the writings of the jew Benyamin Avroham Klass, known to the world as Bernhardt Klassen.

Proof? This is unsupported anti-Christian rhetoric spewed out by OJ RevGroid, and it's sock-puppets. OJ RevGroid has a unhealthy fixation on the Apostle Paul. Are you aware that Paul was a Roman citizen, and had been a Roman soldier. His brother was a Roman senator, who married Claudia daughter of the British King.

Paul was jew, not a Roman.

He may of been granted citizenship, but thats only because the Romans had ceased to have racial integrity!


False, every Christian that I know loves their family and their life revolves around family. RevGroid speaks of family yet has no wife or children, great example he is. I hate my enemies, which include the World Church of the 'Creatard'.
So!

Odins people love their Folk, and their lives revolve around their Folk!

Which is a far superior worldview, to the individualist christians with their isolated selfish 'nuclear familys'!


At least most Mormons that I know have served a mission far from where they grew up. ....and a fat lot of good its done them too!

Paul was jew, not a Roman.

He may of been granted citizenship, but thats only because the Romans had ceased to have racial integrity! Paul was a Benjamite, the so called jews were Idumeans who lived in Judea.


Odins people love their Folk, and their lives revolve around their Folk!

Which is a far superior worldview, to the individualist christians with their isolated selfish 'nuclear familys'!

....and a fat lot of good its done them too!Why are you bringing Odinism into this? I as a Christian have no ill will toward them, and do not wish to convert them to Christianity.

Paul was a Benjamite, the so called jews were Idumeans who lived in Judea.

Thats still a jew in my book!


Why are you bringing Odinism into this? I as a Christian have no ill will toward them, and do not wish to convert them to Christianity.

In comparison to the Christian worldview i.e. self first, followed by family, and then Africa, and then India, and then if you can spare the time - your Folk!

Odinism puts, Folk, Faith and Family first!

This is what Hitler believed in - "The individual must die so the nation might live."

One has to go beyond oneself, and ones own immediate family, to realise that you and your family are part of a greater organic entity - the Folk.

This is one of the biggest problems with christianity!

Everyone is atomized into 'nuclear familys', without any organic or formal recognition of ones place in ones own racial community.

Another sad point, is that everyone looks for 'personal salvation'! Which is rather a selfish, individualistic worldview, and no wonder, given that this was invented by the most selfish people on Earth - the jews.

The sooner we root out christianity from our people, the sooner we can re-instill a genuine authentic tradition of Folk Racial Consciousness!

[/i][/b] Thats still a jew in my book! The Kingdom of Israel was a different Kingdom from the Kingdom of Judea, the jews were from Judea. The people of the Kingdom of Israel were deported by the Assyrians, the Judeans held out against them, and were later taken captive by the Babylonians.

The Kingdom of Israel was a different Kingdom from the Kingdom of Judea, the jews were from Judea. The people of the Kingdom of Israel were deported by the Assyrians, the Judeans held out against them, and were later taken captive by the Babylonians.

Are you saying they are not related then ?

Are you saying they are not related then ? What I am saying is that the jews, who occupied most of Palestine at the time the Romans destroyed them in 70 A.D. were for the most part Idumeans, as was King Herod, the son of Antipater King of the Idumeans. And yes they were different racially from the ancient Israelites. That is why Flavius Josephus said that the Essenes were different racially from the Pharisees and the Saducees.

Which is why no one pays attention to your "book".

O'h!


How would you get this "personal salvation"?
What 'personal salvation' ?


And such a thing wasn't present before?

I think an authentic traiditon was present before Christianity!

What do you think ?

What I am saying is that the jews, who occupied most of Palestine at the time the Romans destroyed them in 70 A.D. were for the most part Idumeans, as was King Herod, the son of Antipater King of the Idumeans. And yes they were different racially from the ancient Israelites. That is why Flavius Josephus said that the Essenes were different racially from the Pharisees and the Saducees.

If thats what you believe, then thats ok!

But I believe Paul was a jew!

You tell me...You stated they're only out for personal salvation, so tell me...How would you[they] get this personal salvation?

Well according to some xTians, you get this personal salvation through 'believing' in jesus.

According to others - 'you must be born again'!

According to others - the UN gives it to you, with a can of corn, which has been grown in the US and blessed by some traitorous missionary fuckwit!


Agreed, however... An authentic tradition was also present during Christianity.
Maybe, but I would say, in an underground way.

The Christians wiped a lot out in the dark ages!

I would think its time for some payback!

Well according to some xTians, you get this personal salvation through 'believing' in jesus.

According to others - 'you must be born again'!

According to others - the UN gives it to you, with a can of corn, which has been grown in the US and blessed by some traitorous missionary fuckwit!

Maybe, but I would say, in an underground way.

The Christians wiped a lot out in the dark ages!

I would think its time for some payback! Albion I don't believe in the Salvation message parroted by Jew-DayOs, anymore than I believe in the RaptureBunny.

And that's selfish how?

Well you figure it out!

'Personal Salvation'!

Does this sound self-centered or altruistic ?


How are you born again?

Well, supposedly through the blood of jesus, but there may be other methods that the ChristShaggers use!


Ah...one of those "Ze ebil Xtians voiped out all ze pakans from ze landts, oy vey!"... Are you going to claim that they also killed your ancestors? I doubt it... Look again, you're still here. So if anything, your ancestor was the scared coward that easily converted, hence you being the way you are. There's no strength in your blood.

Eugenics needs to be applied, asap.

Well what can I say!

Well you figure it out!

'Personal Salvation'!

Does this sound self-centered or altruistic ?


Well, supposedly through the blood of jesus, but there may be other methods that the ChristShaggers use!


Well what can I say! I don't believe in the Jew-Day'O salvation message, nor do I believe in the RaptureBunny of Lacunza.

False, every Christian that I know loves their family and their life revolves around family. RevGroid speaks of family yet has no wife or children, great example he is. I hate my enemies, which include the World Church of the 'Creatard'.[/I][/B]

Nature is full of things both "Good" and "Evil", en.


1) Then you are not following your JEWISH ideology!! :D
Reguardless of whether or not YOU follow it doesn't matter! It is a part of the ideology of this NON WHITE "faith"!!!!

2) Um, that's what I said, you jerkweed!:rolleyes:

Why are you bringing Odinism into this? I as a Christian have no ill will toward them, and do not wish to convert them to Christianity.[/I][/B]


No "ill will"????
HAH! You hypocrite!!
christians murdered and raped MILLIONS of Racially Conscience White Pagans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[/I][/B] Thats still a jew in my book!


In comparison to the Christian worldview i.e. self first, followed by family, and then Africa, and then India, and then if you can spare the time - your Folk!

Odinism puts, Folk, Faith and Family first!

This is what Hitler believed in - "The individual must die so the nation might live."

One has to go beyond oneself, and ones own immediate family, to realise that you and your family are part of a greater organic entity - the Folk.

This is one of the biggest problems with christianity!

Everyone is atomized into 'nuclear familys', without any organic or formal recognition of ones place in ones own racial community.

Another sad point, is that everyone looks for 'personal salvation'! Which is rather a selfish, individualistic worldview, and no wonder, given that this was invented by the most selfish people on Earth - the jews.

The sooner we root out christianity from our people, the sooner we can re-instill a genuine authentic tradition of Folk Racial Consciousness!


Well said, brother...!

christianity teaches that the world can be destroyed and poluted, and all life killed off, because JEWsus will "come back" and save us by creating a new world.........

The Kingdom of Israel was a different Kingdom from the Kingdom of Judea, the jews were from Judea. The people of the Kingdom of Israel were deported by the Assyrians, the Judeans held out against them, and were later taken captive by the Babylonians.


:hflol
Can one say CRAZY!!
:hflol

There is one thing you cannot take away from the Jews as a whole, they are a very consistent people.

You're suggesting that they live by two codes of morals, those they applied for the Christians and those they deem their laws in the Talmud, they are world's apart. ..


What are you, a moron???

They wrote one for themselves, the other for Whites...!

Which is why no one pays attention to your "book".



How would you get this "personal salvation"?



And such a thing wasn't present before?


Who needs "salvation"?
So, you believe that you are born "evil" or "wrong"?? :krofl

As to the last, that's what he said!!

Agreed, however... An authentic tradition was also present during Christianity.


Ya, a JEW invented one!!

The Christians wiped a lot out in the dark ages!

I would think its time for some payback!


We could start by burning down non White churches! (christian/jew/muslim)
Burning christians at the stake!! :D
UHHHHHHHHHHH, feed'em to the lions!! :D:p
Hmmm, what else?

No "ill will"????
HAH! You hypocrite!!
christians murdered and raped MILLIONS of Racially Conscience White Pagans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, my ancestor Brient killed the best of your kind at Tivy, to bad he didn't kill the dregs as well. :krofl

Yeah, my ancestor Brient killed the best of your kind at Tivy, to bad he didn't kill the dregs as well. :krofl
so you admit, that christians killed good white people over witch paranioa, hell, on a side note, the greek christian capitalists brought us the plague.
i can't help but wonder, the number of dead white people, due to christian paranoia.
myself, being of pure irish decent, i can't help but think the british christians brought my anscestors to america, from living productive lives in north east ireland

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so you admit, that christians killed good white people over witch paranioa, hell, on a side note, the greek christian capitalists brought us the plague.
i can't help but wonder, the number of dead white people, due to christian paranoia.
myself, being of pure irish decent, i can't help but think the british christians brought my anscestors to america, from living productive lives in north east ireland The Battle of Tivy happened in 1069, Brient Le Breton was the Norman commander. The battle was the Normans under the command of Brient against an Irish Army under the command of King Harold's two sons.

so you admit, that christians killed good white people over witch paranioa, hell, on a side note, the greek christian capitalists brought us the plague.
i can't help but wonder, the number of dead white people, due to christian paranoia.
myself, being of pure irish decent, i can't help but think the british christians brought my anscestors to america, from living productive lives in north east ireland


You know, the christians helped the plague to spread because they just sat there and prayed for help!!
Seems to me that praying doesn't WORK!!

"praying" is about as good as buying an extended warranty for 40 dollars extra per month

NO MORE!

As a Creator, and as the Pontifex Maximus of a Creativity Church, and as a Skinhead, I say NO MORE!

No more time to waste!
No more missed opportunities!
No more giving in to EVIL American ideas of “HOW” I should live!
No more allowing this depressing situation to DICTATE who I am as a White Man!
No more wasting my minutes on pointless, NON WHITE POWER, idiosyncrasies’!
No more allowing the situation to dictate my reactions! Instead I WILL DICTATE my ENEMIES reactions!

From no own, I will YES me way to TOTAL WHITE VICTORY!!

RAHOWA!
Reverend Lloyd


PS:
SCREW YOU, BILLY YANK!! I am coming for you now, you YANKEE BASTARD!!

so you admit, that christians killed good white people over witch paranioa, hell, on a side note, the greek christian capitalists brought us the plague.



Yep, christians killed plenty of heathen Whites, for a number of reasons.

Just as heathen tribes pillaged and burned christian villages for slaves and war brides.

Shit happens. Get over it.

Yep, christians killed plenty of heathen Whites, for a number of reasons.

Just as heathen tribes pillaged and burned christian villages for slaves and war brides.

Shit happens. Get over it.


Ya, but, killing christians is GOOD for the WHITE RACE! It's like killing Communists!!:D

Ya, but, killing christians is GOOD for the WHITE RACE! It's like killing Communists!!:DIf the White race practiced eugenics all of you 'Creatards' would be eliminated from the gene pool. :krofl

If the White race practiced eugenics all of you 'Creatards' would be eliminated from the gene pool. :krofl


No, you ARAers would be!!!!

No, you ARAers would be!!!!
Yeah, Bennie 'the pedophile' Klassen & Mark Hale like you, are examples of Aryan manhood. I have yet to see a 'Creatard' that was physically or mentally fit. :krofl

Precisely my point, you claim that they gave us Christianity with the whole "Thou shalt not kill, rape, steal, lie, hump animals, hump your family, be a queer etc etc" and then they gave themselves a law to live by, which is the exact opposite of everything they apparently "wrote" for us... Duh.


Do you believe jews are born "evil" or "wrong" ?
Do you believe niggers are born "evil" or "wrong" ?
Do you believe spics, asians(Muslims included) are born "evil" or "wrong" ?


Um, do you actually READ what you WRITE?!?!
I mean, that was a moronic statement that just goes in a circle and makes NO SENSE!!!!
:eek::eek::eek:

It's pointless to "argue" with you because of how RETARDED YOU ARE!!!!
I mean, do you guys see what his response was????
Holy Shit!!:eek::eek:

I mean, do you guys see what his response was????

Who are you speaking to/for? Birdman?

It made perfect sense to me and others - what part of God's moral Law do you have issue with?

:confused:

LOL
Maybe because they are FAKE!!!!
I'm still waiting to see him...! What's his address??:krofl

I'm still waiting to see him...! What's his address??:krofl

Bragging about your own ignorance and blindness isn't very smart.

Look around -- you see nothing because that's what you are.

We don't choose God, He chooses us.

:rolleyes:

Make sense to you? Of course not, lol.

We don't choose God, He chooses us.

:rolleyes:

Make sense to you? Of course not, lol.Exactly, well said brother. :D

We don't choose God, He chooses us.

I have not chosen you!

I have not chosen you!

What idiot human would choose a mere man in the first place?

:confused:

The Kingdom of Israel was a different Kingdom from the Kingdom of Judea, the jews were from Judea. The people of the Kingdom of Israel were deported by the Assyrians, the Judeans held out against them, and were later taken captive by the Babylonians.
So no Semitics in the middle east during that period?

I think the ultimate damage of Christianity is that it restricts tonic passions and wants which later, when allowed, manifest to the extreme.

I think the ultimate damage of Christianity is that it restricts tonic passions and wants which later, when allowed, manifest to the extreme.
It restricts natural urges and condemns them as "sins". This is how they stay in business. Churches know their followers won't stop sinning, but makes them feel guilty about being themselves so they keep coming back to church to get "saved".

It restricts natural urges and condemns them as "sins". This is how they stay in business. Churches know their followers won't stop sinning, but makes them feel guilty about being themselves so they keep coming back to church to get "saved".


Natural urges like whacking off to mental images of jewboy Anton Lavey and hosting orgies? :krofl

Yup. I think we definitely need something a little better than "creativity" to keep people in check.

Natural urges like whacking off to mental images of jewboy Anton Lavey and hosting orgies? :krofl

Yup. I think we definitely need something a little better than "creativity" to keep people in check.


That is a non-logical, BS statement! And you know it, too!!

I have a serious question, PLEASE ANSWER IT calmly........

Why believe in this clap? I mean, seriously, WHY? It is un Natural, illogical, anti White, un-White, non White, and enslaves the White man’s mind!! So, why should FREE thinking WHITE'S believe in a NON WHITE IDEOLOGY????

If you have a fear of death, than just become an Odinist! At least Odinism is OF THE WHITE RACE and logical!! Mythical hell, if we could get TOTAL WHITE UNITY through Odinism, then I'd join up and stop preaching Creativity! That is, if it lead to TOTAL UNITY!!

It seems to me that these Communists only believe in Communism because they think that White's need to be enslaved to a set of "morals", as if we weren't FUCKING WHITE!!!!

The White man does not need JEWISH spooks! We are not niggers, but Whites, the originators of ALL worthwhile culture and civilization!!

RAHOWA!

It restricts natural urges and condemns them as "sins". This is how they stay in business. Churches know their followers won't stop sinning, but makes them feel guilty about being themselves so they keep coming back to church to get "saved".

Exactly!

Yeh, here's the latest, cutesy xtian expression (besides "shit-eating-grin"):

"Hate the sin, but love the sinner!".

How cute.


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Originally Posted by Pastor Visser
"We don't choose God, He chooses us."

Exactly, well said brother. :D

Aww, how cute. Such nice, cute, xtian expressions! So warm and fuzzy.

Let's not forget these other warm & fuzzy, cute xtian expressions:

"Hate the sin, love the sinner."

"Xtians aren't perfect, just forgiven."

"With jewsus' love, I'm born again, yippee!"

Xtainity is so....... nice!


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"We don't choose God, He chooses us."



Exactly, well said brother.

See, I was right about xTian men being homos!

Originally Posted by Pastor Visser
"We don't choose God, He chooses us."



Aww, how cute. Such nice, cute, xtian expressions! So warm and fuzzy.

Let's not forget these other warm & fuzzy, cute xtian expressions:

"Hate the sin, love the sinner."

"Xtians aren't perfect, just forgiven."

"With jewsus' love, I'm born again, yippee!"

Xtainity is so....... nice!


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I don't believe in being born again anymore than I believe in the RaptureBunny, or an Eternal Hell.

I don't believe in being born again anymore than I believe in the RaptureBunny, or an Eternal Hell.

Is that because christianity is a load of shit ?

Is that because christianity is a load of shit ? No it's because I'm Christian Identity, which doesn't espouse these recently created doctrines. Doctrines which you assume, that I as a Christian believe. I don't believe in turning the other cheek to reprobates and outlanders, the only people that I would turn the other cheek to are fellow Christians who are racially aware, and possibly Odinists as they believe in a god or higher power. Given the opportunity, I would rapture you and Reverend Lloyd, or anyone of your ilk, and have no more remorse in doing so, than swatting a mosquito or a fly. :krofl

No it's because I'm Christian Identity, which doesn't espouse these recently created doctrines. Doctrines which you assume, that I as a Christian believe. I don't believe in turning the other cheek to reprobates and outlanders, the only people that I would turn the other cheek to are fellow Christians who are racially aware, and possibly Odinists as they believe in a god or higher power. Given the opportunity, I would rapture you and Reverend Lloyd, or anyone of your ilk, and have no more remorse in doing so, than swatting a mosquito or a fly.
Christian Identity!

Sounds like you - Identify with Christians!

You are suspect!

and possibly Odinists as they believe in a god or higher power. . :krofl


He's a faggot ARAer! Nothing more...

Oh, so as long as I believe in fairy tales, then I'm OK? Ah, I see now... :krofl

At least Odinism IS FUCKING WHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's a faggot ARAer! Nothing more...

Oh, so as long as I believe in fairy tales, then I'm OK? Ah, I see now... :krofl

At least Odinism IS FUCKING WHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!No you would never be right, you were deficit before conception, and your parents needed to be bitch-slapped for not applying eugenic measures. :krofl