I have been posting in the White History & Religion section, and for the most part it’s civil--if you more or less ignore the slobs, they tend to go away.

The Nordic warrior ethos of courage, heroism and honor may have more to do with genes than culture, that is, genetic character may effect the way people behave in this forum.

The white founding classes in America---and elsewhere--were originally defined by stoicism, a stiff upper lip, hard work, manliness, courage in social values; these are military values. When the founding classes lost the warrior ethos they soon lost their culture, which is why the warrior ethos is so important.

I think some of our members are missing the ethos of the Nordic warrior, and that is mainly why they are uncivil. To be Nordic is to be civil, even to ones enemies, but to cut them off if they betray you.

The values of the warrior ethos can, for the most part, be bonded into our race in a basic religious training. One of my themes is to develop Nordic values first before a Nordic state. I think we should devote more time to values and character in the forum if we want more civil and honest posts. Things go wrong when we tell lies to ourselves.

I have been posting in the White History & Religion section, and for the most part it’s civil--if you more or less ignore the slobs, they tend to go away.

The Nordic warrior ethos of courage, heroism and honor may have more to do with genes than culture, that is, genetic character may effect the way people behave in this forum.

The white founding classes in America---and elsewhere--were originally defined by stoicism, a stiff upper lip, hard work, manliness, courage in social values; these are military values. When the founding classes lost the warrior ethos they soon lost their culture, which is why the warrior ethos is so important.

I think some of our members are missing the ethos of the Nordic warrior, and that is mainly why they are uncivil. To be Nordic is to be civil, even to ones enemies, but to cut them off if they betray you.

The values of the warrior ethos can, for the most part, be bonded into our race in a basic religious training. One of my themes is to develop Nordic values first before a Nordic state. I think we should devote more time to values and character in the forum if we want more civil and honest posts. Things go wrong when we tell lies to ourselves.

I will have to respectfully disagree with you Hallstat. I did not know that the Nordic warrior values were courage, heroism and honor. Courage? Yes.
Heroism? Yes, but isn't that akin to courage?
Honor? Sure, if you are in a duel over a personal matter or if your tribal king wants to meet my tribal king in the middle of the battlefield before we tear into each other, I can see the honor in not cutting your king's throat from behind. Besides, that might inflame your tribe to be quite beserk in battle.
I wonder what the Vikings would have said to Honor as they pillaged undefended monastaries on the coasts? Hmm...

I think civility is just fine here. Initially, the place was crawling with trolls, angry jews and 13 year olds. It wasn't so much uncivil behavior that stifeld debate and discussion as much as immaturity and ignorance.

Sometimes, it's productive to let one's civility go for awhile and brawl with brass knuckles with each other. Toughens one up and keeps them fresh for the enemy. Stupidity and immaturity annoys me more so than uncivil or insulting behavior. As the Britiish say, sometimes insults are just meant to 'take the piss out of someone' (good natured ribbing).

As for some of the other things you mentioned, do you really feel 'Nordic Values' are genetic? If so, than most of the courage and heroism was lost long ago on the many battlefields of Northern Europe. Maybe. No wonder we are often under the boot of the jews. Maybe you have a point.

Than again, maybe you don't and just have a few Middle Ages fantasies where everyone was either a knight in armour or a fair maiden.
Besides, how do you personally know what the 'nordic values' are?
Maybe the Swedes have a different set of values than the Bavarians.
Maybe the Norwegians define things differently than the Dutch.

So, please spear us your definitions as you can not define what our values are for all our people.
Besides, it works better around each other. Fellow Nordics know instinctivly to play by certain rules, what is acceptable and what isn't.
The problem begins when you throw in numerous nonwhite peoples who don't play by the same rules. The negroes, orientals, hispanics, jews, muslims and others do not and never will abide by our natural values.
Think that stoicism, a stiff upper lip, honor will do you any good in urban Detriot or East LA?
How about in South Africa or Mexico City?

No, our biological competitors see these attributes as weaknesses and would easily over run you. Many of of young members are young men full of wanderlust and used to living around nonwhites all the time.
Often, Nordic values can not hold the water againist dangerous foes like non-Whites. It's not that they are worse, they aren't. But they are OUR values.
Mixing races only causes confusion and destruction - both physically and mentally.
Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire and that is what we must do with Non-Nordics.

I will have to respectfully disagree with you Hallstat...

You want to debate whether courage and heroism are the same and shouldn’t both be used in discussing values? You think uncivil behavior is not also immaturity and ignorance? I didn’t say anything about being civil in a brawl. Swedish values versus Norwegian? I was talking about the leadership values in Northern people, pointed out by racial historians and by common examination.

As to the rest, I was obviously talking about values in this forum, and not about urban Detroit or East LA.

My point is that things like selfishness, arrogance, lack of integrity etc., or nitpicking, being concerned with insignificant details, could be character traits or value problems, which cause communication problems on the forum. Can these things be fixed in our own people? I hope so, this is what religion and culture are about.

I dont agree with the proposition that biology determines cultural values. Influences, yes of course. But not determines. Japanese had a very "Aryan" system of honor courage heroism and virtue known as bushido for centuries. Julius Evola wrote a good monograph on this and refered to it in his book "Doctrine of Awakening." Hitler called them honorary Aryans and I have a reprint of SS newspaper translations which tell the story of Saigo Takamori which was dramatized in Cruise's "The Last Samurai."

So I would say that those virtues are spiritual values of a sort, which may be more fundamental in some sense than our differentiated ethno-racial or national identities.

I dont have a problem expressing those things in our own ethnocultural idioms, but some of us should be frank enough to admit honor among the racial other. That does not imperil WN in the slightest bit. In fact it will elevate us.

Respect for the honorable opponent even if racial other is part of the finest Western tradition. I would suggest the rivalry between Richard Coeur de Leon and Saladin as an example.

But where our foes have no honor, none will be accorded to them and scruple set aside where survival demands it.

That last samurai crap kills me. The originals had red beards. FIRST samurai. Contributing to the corruption of history.

...and referring to fellow posters as "slobs" is liable to expose you to some warrior ethos, in print anyway.

That last samurai crap kills me. The originals had red beards. FIRST samurai. Contributing to the corruption of history.

what? I'm not following you. please elaborate.

I would direct your gaze to: http://www.white-history.com/hwr6a.htm . Every time you agrandize asians, you are selling Whites short. Stop repeating the crap you learned about a sheltered culture who made great advancements independant of Europe.

Every time you agrandize asians, you are selling Whites short. Stop repeating the crap you learned about a sheltered culture who made great advancements independant of Europe.

1) I'm not aggrandizing Asians. I call it the way I see it. Asians can recognize gravity so they can recognize plenty of other abstract concepts too like electricity or even virtues of filial piety, honesty, etc. If you pretend they can't you are selling yourself short. I'm White and want what's best for us, and it doesnt sell us short for a minute to recognize that they have certain obvious mental capacities.

We dont need to demonize our enemies just defeat them. Jews need this kind of thinking, we dont. White man never needed to stoop to that level, not then not now. Jews are the only ethnic group that really fairly should be demonized and they have earned it.

2) about the Aryan origins of certain cultural artifacts associated with Asia. I could write my own history about this but I already stated one of the best writings on the topic. Go read that Julius Evola book, "Doctrine Of Awakening" if you'd like to learn about "the Aryan Origins of the Doctrine of Awakening." ie, buddhism.

3) I find sometimes people who have recently thrown off the PC bull**** [edited by Franco] about racial egalitarianism, over-react. This is not necessary.

4) In my own life, what I learned to admire about Asian culture especially Japan, kept alive certain ideas for me that I rediscovered in our own cultural heritage. There are plenty of Whites out there today, who are interested in aspects of Zen and so forth or yoga or bushido or what have you, who could be introduced to certain related and similar traditions paralleling these in the west, that have been delegitimated for Whites. Do we reach out to such people or just gaze at our navels? If we dont grab them, they are lost to us.

For example, almost anyone who admires the kamikaze or any aspect of fascist Japan, will be conducive to NS German military history as well. From there it is a short leap to appreciating NS itself.

There you go again with the asian culture thing. What asian culture? Did you ever stop to think maybe the things you like/respect about their "culture", they learned from our ancestors? Like the Brahmins? Berzerkers predate kamikazes.

I dont agree with the proposition that biology determines cultural values...

Races differ on average in temperament, work ethic, lifestyle, nurturance, values and intelligences--as well as physical attributes. These differences generally reflect the necessities of the climate and physical environment in which the race evolved.

According to E. O. Wilson, Lamarckian evolution, the inheritance of acquired characteristics is discounted, but this is exactly what happens in the case of cultural evolution. Biological evolution is far slower than cultural evolution and is outrun by cultural change. But this divergence cannot be great because ultimately the social environment created by cultural evolution will be tracked by biological natural selection. Societies that decline because of the genetic propensity of its members to breed competitively weaker cultures will be replaced by those more appropriately endowed. Biology, sooner or later, judges culture and resists or revises it.

As to respecting ones enemies, I suggested above that to be Nordic is to be civil, even to ones enemies. It's fine to study other cultures, but our race has been spending too much time doing only that, and not enough time studying our own.

Civility for all is Aryan and noble only when it is combined with uncompromising ruthlessness against all those who seek to do us harm. Civility means honor, not "tolerance," concession or defeat.

There you go again with the asian culture thing. What asian culture? Did you ever stop to think maybe the things you like/respect about their "culture", they learned from our ancestors? Like the Brahmins? Berzerkers predate kamikazes.

If you had read what I wrote you would see that I have refered to that specifically. SIddhartha, the father of buddhism, was an Aryan Kshatriya or warrior caste. That is the subject of the Julius Evola book I have recommended.

We may not be in as much disagreement as you may suspect. Sometimes I dont express myself well. It's a product of my talmudic edjewcation, LOL

Races differ on average in temperament, work ethic, lifestyle, nurturance, values and intelligences--as well as physical attributes. These differences generally reflect the necessities of the climate and physical environment in which the race evolved.

According to E. O. Wilson, Lamarckian evolution, the inheritance of acquired characteristics is discounted, but this is exactly what happens in the case of cultural evolution. Biological evolution is far slower than cultural evolution and is outrun by cultural change. But this divergence cannot be great because ultimately the social environment created by cultural evolution will be tracked by biological natural selection. Societies that decline because of the genetic propensity of its members to breed competitively weaker cultures will be replaced by those more appropriately endowed. Biology, sooner or later, judges culture and resists or revises it.

As to respecting ones enemies, I suggested above that to be Nordic is to be civil, even to ones enemies. It's fine to study other cultures, but our race has been spending too much time doing only that, and not enough time studying our own.

all that, agreed in principle. very good point about the "lamarckian" nature of cultural development.

...Why would I care about ethics and such in a war for life?...

Should we be civil in this forum? Can we be? That’s the thread subject.

I am always nauseatingly civil, and should therefore be considered an excellent role model for those in need of adopting said practice on this particular forum.

I wonder what the Vikings would have said to Honor as they pillaged undefended monastaries on the coasts? Hmm...

To take from an enemy was perfectly in accord with honor: not their fault the stupid Christians didn't have any defenses. The vikings had such a strong sense of honor that a woman had the right to a divorce if her husband slapped her in her face or walked around with his shirt open and his chesthair showing, since that was an embarrassment.


The values of the warrior ethos can, for the most part, be bonded into our race in a basic religious training. One of my themes is to develop Nordic values first before a Nordic state. I think we should devote more time to values and character in the forum if we want more civil and honest posts. Things go wrong when we tell lies to ourselves.

"One of my themes" -- you are thinking of your web creation the White Temple again. Well, Hallstatt, we can talk, or rather type, about honor and philosophy and religion until our faces turn blue, but the truth is, we need far less talk and far more action in the real world. Unless you Americans get off your -- checking, this is the Civil Forum, darn it -- unless you Americans get your act together and join organizations that push for nationalism, even if those organizations don't go all the way when it comes to mentioning the Jew and being super-loyal to our fancy philosophies, then your whole continent is dead, and the world with it. Do you realize that if there was a party like the Front National in the United States it would have an enormous effect on all our countries? But there isn't, 'cause you people insist on that it should be all or nothing, so nothing it is.