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Donnachaidh
September 22nd, 2007, 12:49 PM
Aspartame & Psychiatric Disorders/Academics urge food agency to act tougher on additives
By: Ralph Walton, MD/Rebecca Smithers, consumer affairs correspondent on: 22.09.2007
Although psychiatry is far from an exact science, over the past half century there has been an explosive growth in our understanding of the human brain and consequently in our ability to diagnose and treat mental disorders. We have also become much more sophisticated about the impact of a variety of toxins on psychological processes.
I am convinced that one such toxin is aspartame.
Two years after aspartame was introduced onto the market I first became aware of the negative impact of this artificial sweetener on the central nervous system. I had been treating a then 54 year old woman with imipramine, a tricyclic antidepressant, because of recurrent major depressive episodes. Previous psychoanalytically based therapy had proven ineffective, but she responded dramatically to 150mg of imipramine per day. She had done well for 11 years on this medication, but was then suddenly hospitalized with a grand-mal seizure and subsequent manic episode.
One could postulate that she was bipolar, and the antidepressant had triggered the mania - but she had been on the same medication for a total of 11 years, and for the previous 5 years at the same 150mg per day dose. Neither the seizure nor her mania was consistent with what we know about the clinical course of bipolar disorder or epilepsy. Careful history revealed that the only change in her life was a recent decision to switch from the sugar which she had always used to sweeten her iced tea to a newly marketed product with aspartame.
Since aspartame can alter the balance of certain neurotransmitters which we believe are involved in mood disorders and can, in my opinion, alter the seizure threshold, I advised my patient to avoid all aspartame products. She did so, and had no further seizures, no further manic or depressive episodes. I discontinued the lithium carbonate which I had started when I mistakenly concluded that she had a bipolar disorder, reinstated her imipramine and she has continued to do well.
After this case report was published in the medical literature, many patients with unexplained seizures or treatment resistant psychiatric problems were referred to me. I became increasingly convinced that aspartame could both trigger seizure activity and mimic or exacerbate a variety of psychiatric disorders. I presented a paper based on those patients at a 1987 MIT sponsored conference on Dietary
Phenylalanine and Brain Function.
Industry sponsored criticism was made that my conclusions regarding aspartame's toxicity could not be accepted as valid because my case reports were "merely anecdotal" and not based on double blind research. Unfortunately case reports do not currently have the respect in the mainstream medical literature which they deserve (historically much of medical progress has been based on careful observation of individual patients).
Nevertheless, I was so convinced of aspartame's toxicity, and the need to have its hazards more widely appreciated in the medical community, that I did undertake a double blind study. That study -"Adverse Reactions to Aspartame: Double- Blind Challenge in Patients from a Vulnerable Population" was published in Biological Psychiatry in 1993. It demonstrated that individuals with mood disorders are particularly sensitive to aspartame and experienced an accentuation of depression and multiple physical symptoms. I had expected that the difficulties experienced by patients receiving aspartame would be fairly subtle (the dose of 30mg/kg/day was well below the level of 50mg/kg/day which the FDA considered "safe"). I was not prepared for the severity of the reactions, and for obvious ethical reasons cannot perform any further human studies with aspartame.
Over the ensuing years I have continued to see the multiple neurologic and psychiatric consequences of aspartame use. It can lower the seizure threshold and lead to an incorrect diagnosis of epilepsy, with subsequent inappropriate prescription of anticonvulsants. It can mimic or exacerbate symptoms of MS, it can paradoxically produce carbohydrate craving and weight gain. The world-wide epidemic of obesity and type 2 diabetes obviously has multiple causes, but I am convinced aspartame is a major factor.
The explosive increase in our knowledge base in the neurosciences I referred to earlier is a topic beyond the scope of this brief report, but to drastically oversimplify, we know that in a variety of psychiatric
disorders there is a disturbance in the balance of certain neurotransmitters. Specifically, serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine and acetylcholine are all major players.
Aspartame can affect the levels & balance of all these transmitters. It impairs the absorption of L-tryptophan, the major precursor in the synthesis of serotonin.
The phenylalanine from the dipeptide component of the aspartame molecule, is a major precursor in the norepinephrine-dopamine synthetic pathway. Recent research demonstrated that aspartame reduces acetylcholinesterase, an enzyme which breaks down acetylcholine - a key player in the central nervous system, with an important role in cognition and memory, and with a reciprocal, inhibitory relationship with dopamine.
We are not sophisticated enough at this point in time to fully understand all the implications of the neurochemical changes induced by aspartame, but as a busy clinician I see the profound impact on patients' lives on a daily basis. It can both produce and aggravate depression, in certain patients it can trigger manic episodes, it can produce or aggravate panic attacks. Some of my patients have experienced a complete cessation of panic attacks and needed no further treatment after they completely eliminated aspartame from their diet. Certain schizophrenic patients have experienced fewer auditory hallucinations or needed less antipsychotic medication after the elimination of aspartame.
It is essential that there be much greater awareness of the hazards of this highly toxic substance!
Ralph G. Walton, M.D.,
Medical Director, Safe Harbor Behavioral Health
Professor of Clinical Psychiatry, Northeastern Ohio
Universities College of Medicine
Adjunct Professor Of Psychiatry, Lake Erie College of
Osteopathic Medicine
Dr. Walton's aspartame study: "Adverse Reactions to
Aspartame: Double-Blind Challenge in Patients from a
Vulnerable Population:
http://www.mindfully.org/Health/Aspartame-Adverse-Reactions-1993.htm
Dr. Walton's research on Scientific Peer Reviewed
Studies and Funding:
http://www.dorway.com/doctors.html#walton
Additional data on aspartame: http://www.mpwhi.com/
http://www.mpwhi.com
www.mpwhi.com
www.dorway.com http://www.wnho.net/
http://www.wnho.net
Aspartame Toxicity Center:
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame
>www.holisticmed.com/aspartame
Betty Martini, D.Hum, Founder
Mission Possible International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770 242-2599
Note from Betty Martini:
I've been out of town for a lecture, reason no mail on lists. This excellent new paper by Dr. Walton was distributed to an audience particularly concerned with psychiatric and behavioral problems. Also read Dr. Walton's comments about Abby Cormack of New Zealand who made world news when she was poisoned by aspartame in Wrigley's gum and about to be diagnosed as bipolar.
http://www.mpwhi.com/experts_on_aspartame_and_abby_cormack.htm Off aspartame her symptoms disappeared. In New Zealand there were particularly sad aspartame/bipolar cases where families were wrecked. You can see Dr. Walton in the aspartame documentary "Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World" which is still being shown to audiences in NZ. It is alarming that in NZ they want Diet Coke sweetened with aspartame to be in "all" schools. The Minister of Health has been provided with "Report for Schools"
http://www.mpwhi.com/report_on_aspartame_and_children.htm The first article in these reports is by Dr. Walton.
As to alternatives for schools there is a new product just made available this month called Fiber 1, by Just Like Sugar, and it won't be in plastic. With aspartame (NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Canderel/E951/Benevia, etc.) triggering psychiatric and behavioral disorders it must be immediately removed from schools. Good nutrition is so important for children. Today they are medicated instead of educated.
http://www.rense.com/general78/psych.htm
Stronza
September 22nd, 2007, 03:04 PM
America First, on the My Garden thread, wrote a most informative post on aspartame, also. Many thanks to you both. I have gotten into, er "disagreements" with folks over aspartame. Of the knock-down, drag-out variety.
odin
September 22nd, 2007, 05:05 PM
I have gotten into, er "disagreements" with folks over aspartame. Of the knock-down, drag-out variety.Seriously? Why?
carlibabe
September 23rd, 2007, 09:41 PM
I drink a lot of diet soda, maybe I should be more wary?
Jett Rink
September 23rd, 2007, 11:03 PM
I drink a lot of diet soda, maybe I should be more wary?
Stop drinking it now, it really is that dangerous to long term health.
John in Woodbridge
September 23rd, 2007, 11:34 PM
Holy shit. I was about to post on this.
About a month ago I changed some aspects of my diet. I wanted to cut out coffee (all caffeine) and all sweets. Going off coffee wasn't as bad as I anticipated but in the evening I'd get a bad craving for diet soda, so I'd have a diet soda in the evening. I thought I was addicted to carbonation but someone on SF said I'm probably addicted to aspartame. My brother told me that aspartame is a chemical poison. After looking it up on the internet I'm ditching that shit for good. Check out this vid.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-566922170441334340
Note: There are plenty of websites that state that aspartame is safe, but they are front sites for the beverage industry.
carlibabe
September 23rd, 2007, 11:43 PM
Stop drinking it now, it really is that dangerous to long term health.
More than regular soda?
Jett Rink
September 24th, 2007, 05:55 AM
More than regular soda?
Heck yeah, look at that video that Jim Crowe posted the link to above.
odin
September 24th, 2007, 07:58 AM
More (dangerous) than regular soda?Regular soda isn't good for you either. It's established, to my satisfaction at least, that HFCS leads to obesity and greatly inreases diabetic tendencies.
Best bet - Stop all soda consumption. Drink water and fresh brewed teas.
Jennifer
September 24th, 2007, 06:18 PM
Regular soda isn't good for you either. It's established, to my satisfaction at least, that HFCS leads to obesity and greatly inreases diabetic tendencies.
Best bet - Stop all soda consumption. Drink water and fresh brewed teas.
If you really like soda, there are a few smaller regional brands that make theirs with real cane sugar. Still not exactly a "health" drink, but no worse than a piece of old-fashioned candy, either.
ngrh8r
September 24th, 2007, 11:20 PM
Regular soda isn't good for you either. It's established, to my satisfaction at least, that HFCS leads to obesity and greatly inreases diabetic tendencies.
Best bet - Stop all soda consumption. Drink water and fresh brewed teas.
You're goddamn right it does!
There's a reason that kosher soda is only made with pure cane sugar.
SSanguine
September 25th, 2007, 12:48 AM
I always carry around a bottle of water..... I prefer it to anything else and I stay well hydrated too espcially in these hot months. For those of you who just can't stand water or find yourself picking up a lemonade or soda filled with tons of sugggggggga.....
They make littl 'to-go' type packts that have no sugar and zero calories in them that you can dump into a bottle of water (or glass) and shake (or stir) up. Really a good idea but I'm not much into flavored waters. Boca Java sells a lots of great teas and I always buy from them because the quality is higher at the right price. I'm a member so I get some little discount on everything .....
http://www.bocajava.com/showProductDetail.do?productId=4648&catalogId=323
ngrh8r
September 25th, 2007, 10:49 AM
I'm not much of a soda drinker, but I drink Crystal Light and that kind of shit all the time. Aspartame never hurt me, and neither did Splenda. Even the whey protein I buy has some kind of artificial sweetener. It's pretty hard to avoid.
Seems to me that the people with psychiatric disorders are the ones who neglect fitness and nutrition and let themselves swell up to American-size proportions on a diet of saturated fats and high fructose corn syrup.
carlibabe
September 25th, 2007, 04:02 PM
ngrh8r, what the hell is that in your profile picture?
ngrh8r
September 25th, 2007, 09:40 PM
ngrh8r, what the hell is that in your profile picture?
It's a jigaboo taking a hit from a crack pipe.
I found it funny for a while, but I just haven't got around to removing it.
carlibabe
September 25th, 2007, 09:55 PM
It's a jigaboo taking a hit from a crack pipe.
I found it funny for a while, but I just haven't got around to removing it.
Haha, as long as it isn't an image of you, it's fine.
Mike Mazzone of Palatine
September 26th, 2007, 09:14 AM
Haha, as long as it isn't an image of you, it's fine.
Here's the image yer looking fer.
YouTube - Jiggaboo Plays A Joke, guns are pulled all hell breaks out
Stronza
September 26th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Seriously? Why?
No, not really a big fight. Just trying to tell some relatives, who generously offered my children a big bag of aspartame-laced candy a few years ago, that it was not good for them. Tried to be nice about it, but they got their knickers in a twist, challenged me to a debate, and then marched out of the house, candy in tow, which they then proceeded to fling out their car window whilst roaring down the road. (I hope that in spite of my funny forum name, I am nicer than that when someone disagrees with me.)
Itz_molecular
September 29th, 2007, 01:41 AM
What's wrong with 'real' sugar ? So long as someone is active enough to burn the excess calories and has good dental hygiene .
Any thoughts on Stevia ?
YANKEE_JIM
September 29th, 2007, 10:59 PM
If you really like soda, there are a few smaller regional brands that make theirs with real cane sugar. Still not exactly a "health" drink, but no worse than a piece of old-fashioned candy, either.
Since my bad experience with aspartame (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ive-been-poisoned-303618.html)...I've sworn off most of that garbage. (soft drinks)
I do have a craving for a soft drink once in a while...but I try to drink only water. I think I tend to over-react ever since my bad experience with aspartame. :o
That stuff (aspartame) really did a number on me. :mad:
-Jim
odin
September 30th, 2007, 12:28 AM
What's wrong with 'real' sugar ? So long as someone is active enough to burn the excess calories and has good dental hygiene .Hasn't it been shown that 'real' sugar (after getting in the bloodstream) rots your teeth from the inside?
YANKEE_JIM
September 30th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Hasn't it been shown that 'real' sugar (after getting in the bloodstream) rots your teeth from the inside?
I'm no expert on sugar...but Pastor Wickstrom used to talk about a book entitled "Sugar Blues" on his radio show often. If you heard some of the stuff that was in the book...you'd never go near refined sugar again! The stuff is POISON! :eek:
-Jim
Mike Mazzone of Palatine
September 30th, 2007, 11:38 AM
http://www.overthrow.com/creator/wmb/credo10.asp
Sugar — The Most Damaging Narcotic in the History of Civilization
Narcotics in food. When we reflect on today's "drug-culture" and the flagrant increase in drug-abuse, we generally think in terms of alcohol, heroin, L.S.D., marijuana, tobacco, "angel dust", cocaine and a variety of other mind benders. Certainly all of them have been and are today the cause of an untold amount of misery, of wrecked lives and the rapid breakdown of the health and morals of our race and nation. Furthermore, the lasting damage to the gene pool of the White Race is staggering. Needless to say, behind all this is money — the greed for profits, and the deliberate, relentless program of the Jews towards the total destruction of the White Race.
Sugar. There is another narcotic that all of us have been using by the bucket ever since we were little babies that has undoubtedly done more damage to the White Race as a whole over the last three hundred years than alcohol, tobacco, heroin, marijuana, and all the other "hard drugs" combined. It is something that comes disguised as a most pleasant tasting food, that, like Christianity, even your sweet, loving mother would administer to you by the bushel. That narcotic is sugar — ordinary, refined, crystalline, white sugar you buy at any grocery store.
Sugar a narcotic? Yes, sugar is a narcotic — an unnatural substance produced by industrial processes (mostly from sugar cane or sugar beets) by refining it down to pure sucrose, after stripping away all the vitamins, minerals, proteins, enzymes and other beneficial nutrients. What is left is a concentrated unnatural narcotic which the human body is not able to handle, at least not in anywhere near the quantities that is now ingested in today's accepted lifestyle.
White Sugar, White Flour. When I was a kid I grew up on a farm in Canada. Now you would think that anybody growing up on a farm would get an ample supply of fresh wholesome food. However, due to our ignorance about nutrition (shared by 99% of the White Race) we would every so often load up with a 100 pound sack of white flour and a 100 pound sack of white sugar, and store them in the upstairs pantry. Both of these "foods" are extremely detrimental to anyone's health, and even rats, who are more hardy than humans, will die in short order if they are fed on a menu of white flour, white sugar, or both.
Sugar Addictive. The average American now consumes approximately 115 lbs. of sugar per year. This is per man, woman and child. The biggest reason sugar does more damage than any other poison, drug or narcotic is twofold: (a) It is considered a "food" and ingested in such massive quantities, and (b) The damaging effects begin early, from the day a baby is born and is fed sugar in its formula. Even mothers milk is contaminated with it. (c) Practically 100% of our civilized White Racial Comrades are addicted to it throughout their lifetime from the cradle to the grave. The only exceptions are those few (but growing numbers) who have become aware of what a deadly poison is common household sugar. We CREATORS intend to expose this deleterious narcotic and make such information common knowledge to every child from the time they learn to talk.
Overloaded with sugar throughout our lifetime. It has been said that the criteria as to whether a substance (any substance) is harmful or medically beneficial is the quantity in which it is used in the human body. To point to a dramatic illustration: we all know that the venom of a rattlesnake, a cobra, water moccasin, coral, and other venomous snakes is deadly to the human system. There are some snakes whose bite is so deadly it can cause death within a matter of seconds. Nevertheless, even snake venom, deadly as it is, has been used for therapeutic, medical purposes when used in minute quantities. (We are against it.) Conversely, we all accept that water and sunshine are beneficial to our health, in moderate quantities. However, in the middle of Lake Superior the average person would soon drown from over-consumption of water, and in the middle of the Sahara desert a person could soon die from over-exposure of good old Sol.
So it is with just about any factor that affects our health and well-being: It is the correct amount that is important. However, there are thousands of substances we ingest that are harmful, and doing a way with them altogether would be best.
Extremely Destructive to White Race. Because of the quantities in which we have been consuming sugar is the main reason why sugar has been the most destructive culprit that the White Man's civilization has produced in all its history. It has all the right qualities for a destructive poison: it is sweet and attractive to the palate, you can never get enough of it. It is a narcotic and it is addictive. It takes years for the damages to become evident.
History. Whereas sugar had been around in minute quantities for several thousand years, it was practically unknown and formed an insignificant part of the White Man's diet in the Classical civilizations of Egypt, Greece and Rome. The Greeks (who had a word for nearly everything!) did not even have a word for it. Even in medieval Europe it was practically unknown and then only a rare delicacy in the royal courts. During the last major Crusade that ended in 1204 some of the Christian Crusaders were introduced to sugar freely used by the Saracens. The Moors when invading and colonizing the southern part of Spain grew sugar cane on Spanish soil and refined sugar. When Spain drove out the Moors, it inherited some of the cane plantations. It was during this time that Christendom took its first big bite of the forbidden fruit and liked it. It was the beginning bite that was to lead to addiction, gluttony and a slow and steady degeneration of the White Race, a degeneration that has become an epidemic today. It also left a trail of slavery, genocide and organized crime that made vast fortunes, especially for those parasites of the human race — the Jews.
Sugar, Slaves and Rum. Nevertheless it was after Columbus' discovery of the New World that King Sugar really came into its own. In this respect, the Portuguese led the race, soon followed and replaced by the Spaniards, who in turn were superseded by the English, French and the Dutch. The West Indies were the central locale of much of this drama, and soon that vicious three cornered triangle of sugar, black slaves and rum became the biggest and most profitable business in both the new world and old. Vast fortunes were made in England, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland and, last but not least, in the newly emerging New England colonies. For three hundred years sugar has run rampant and it has raised hell with the White Man's health, sending its victims down a spiraling road of debility, degeneration and disease.
Sugar an Unnatural Chemical. Why is sugar so devastating to our health? One reason is it is pure chemical and (like heroin) through refining has been stripped of all the natural food nutritives that it originally had in the plant itself. Heroin and sugar are arrived at by very similar processes of refinement. In producing heroin, the opium is first extracted from the poppy: The opium is then refined into morphine. The chemists then went to work on morphine and further refined it into heroin, proclaiming they had "discovered" a wonderful new pain-killer that was non-addictive. So they said.
Similarly, sugar is first pressed as a juice from the cane (or beet) and refined into molasses. Then it is refined into brown sugar, and finally into strange white crystals C12H22O, that are an alien chemical to the human system.
Addictive. A second reason that sugar is so harmful is that like heroin it is addictive, and being delectable and seductive to the taste, it is also habit forming (there is a difference). Starting with sugar in the baby's formula, people not only develop a strong taste for sugar but an insatiable craving for it so that they never seem to get enough of this poison.
Slow but Insidious. A third reason is that the damage sugar does is slow and insidious. I remember when I was in grade school my teacher made the statement that if tobacco were ten times as harmful it would not do one thousandth of the damage. It took me a while to figure that one out. It is the same with sugar. It takes years before it ruins your pancreas, your adrenal glands, throws your whole endocrine system out of kilter and produces the multifarious damages we have listed in this chapter.
Foods loaded with Sugar. A fourth reason is the outrageous amounts of sugar civilized nations consume. Americans in particular are told how they are the best fed and best nourished people on the face of the earth. If we are talking about processed junk food — this is true. The supermarket with its tremendous variety of processed packaged food is the ultimate "we point with pride" exhibit of how well we supposedly are fed. If you examine the "foods" in any supermarket more closely and start reading labels, you will find just about everything contains sugar. Most of the foods are loaded with it — from cereals, to soups, to ketchup, to hotdogs. Even flue-cured tobacco can contain as much as 20% sugar by weight. Some cereals are as much as 50% sugar.
List of Damages. We have stated that sugar is deleterious to your health: that it is more damaging than all other narcotics combined; that it is a long term chemical poison. Just what damage does sugar do to the human body?
The list is endless, but we will cite a few of the insidious ways sugar creates havoc with the human body. When we talk about sugar, we are including bad nutrition as a whole, since anyone who indulges in sugar has bad dietary habits per se.
1. Sugar is by far the leading cause of dental deterioration — cavities in teeth, bleeding gums, failure of bone structure, and loss of teeth.
2. Sugar is the main cause of diabetes, hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia.
3. It is either a significant or contributory cause of heart disease, arteriosclerosis, mental illness, depression, senility, hypertension, cancer.
4. It has an extremely deleterious effect in unbalancing the endocrine system and injuring its component glands such as the adrenal glands, pancreas and liver, causing the blood sugar level to fluctuate widely.
It has a number of other extremely damaging effects on the human body. There are a number of books available on the subject, but I believe perhaps the most interesting one I have read is "Sugar Blues" by William Dufty. It is available in most Health Food stores. I suggest you read it.
Must Reverse Damage Done. Perhaps we have taken up too much space talking about sugar. But since we of The Creativity Movement are strongly health and nutrition oriented, we can hardly place too much emphasis on the evils of sugar. Anyone interested in pursuing a healthy and energetic life (and all true CREATORS are) will have to come to grips with the damage that has been done by sugar in the last 300 years.
Medical-Drug-Chemical Complex. This chapter on sugar will serve as an introduction to the vast influence and power exercised over our lives by the Medical-Drug-Chemical Complex, of which sugar is just a part. We want to expose the greed and hypocrisy that permeates this power establishment and show how they work hand in glove with the government and the news media. The driving force behind it all is money — all firmly in the hands of the Jewish network.
odin
September 30th, 2007, 04:28 PM
I'm no expert on sugar...but Pastor Wickstrom used to talk about a book entitled "Sugar Blues" on his radio show often. If you heard some of the stuff that was in the book...you'd never go near refined sugar again! The stuff is POISON! :eek:
-JimI have, and I don't. :D
Itz_molecular
October 2nd, 2007, 12:16 AM
Hasn't it been shown that 'real' sugar (after getting in the bloodstream) rots your teeth from the inside?
As a kid I kept the US sugar industry going by myself ........ never any cavities .:confused:
John in Woodbridge
October 3rd, 2007, 06:17 PM
Hasn't it been shown that 'real' sugar (after getting in the bloodstream) rots your teeth from the inside?
I would doubt it. All foods are converted to blood glucose. I doubt that glucose created from sugar would be any different from glucose created from a steak.
Mike Mazzone of Palatine
October 3rd, 2007, 11:10 PM
Here's some good alternatives to wean yourself off refined sugar(C12H22O11) addiction.
http://www.mannaharvest.net/-c-1220.html?osCsid=ccca95287fb854b3f04e817e22a5d6a6
This is the best alternative to table salt(NaCl).
http://www.himalayancrystalsalt.com/
Mark
October 6th, 2007, 08:41 AM
Here's some good alternatives to wean yourself off refined sugar(C12H22O11) addiction.
http://www.mannaharvest.net/-c-1220.html?osCsid=ccca95287fb854b3f04e817e22a5d6a6
This is the best alternative to table salt(NaCl).
http://www.himalayancrystalsalt.com/
Just be careful not to fall for all these new age marketing schemes. A lot of it is non-sense. Just another way to extract money from the populace.
ngrh8r
October 8th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Salt is salt, you fucktard.
It's still sodium chloride, regardless of how much extra money you spend to get it from a bunch of fucking hippy kikes.
Herman van Houten
October 10th, 2007, 04:14 AM
More nonsense from ngrh8r aka Sulla the Dicktaster on his Phora, a self-admitted jew who has a pedophile as best buddy.
ngrh8r
October 10th, 2007, 07:11 PM
More nonsense from ngrh8r aka Sulla the Dicktaster on his Phora, a self-admitted jew who has a pedophile as best buddy.
You just can't stop lying, can you?
Prove me wrong, you goddamn moron. Show us a single source that says "natural" salt has even a fraction less sodium than the shit from the grocery store.
And FYI, Hermans, I don't post on the Phora. Never have.
Your idiotic speculations on who I must be are quite entertaining. In fact, whatever mental illness you suffer from is also a great source of amusement to me.
Remember, WFHermans:
They're not laughing with you.
They're laughing at you.
:rofl
odin
October 10th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Show us a single source that says "natural" salt has even a fraction less sodium than the shit from the grocery store.So-called natural salt is supposed to be just that - pure salt. The stuff bought from the grocery store has extra stuff added; anti-caking agents and, depending on the brand, even sugar - to make it less bitter. But still, not enough to cause me any worry. I rarely add salt to anything anyway.
EDIT: I just looked at 2 salt containers in my cupboard. One is Walmart's "Great Value" brand, the other is a natural salt from Power Organics. The Walmart salt ingredients are:
salt, sodium silicoaluminate, sodium thiosulfate, and potassium iodide.
Total sodium per 1/4 teaspoon = 590 mg.
The Power Organics salt ingredient is:
pure crystallized salt.
Total sodium per 1/4 teaspoon = 378 mg.
Not trying to start any fights here, you just made me curious so I thought I'd check and report my findings.
ngrh8r
October 10th, 2007, 07:39 PM
So-called natural salt is supposed to be just that - pure salt. The stuff bought from the grocery store has extra stuff added; anti-caking agents and, depending on the brand, even sugar - to make it less bitter. But still, not enough to cause me any worry. I rarely add salt to anything anyway.
You're right about the additives, Odin.
Unfortunately, those anti-caking agents are found in pretty much everything, including many of the "natural" products. I still think the sodium itself is a much greater worry.
You know, I just realized that my "healthy" low-fat, low-carb beef jerky has an entire day's worth of sodium. Once you factor in a few more meals, not to mention all the shit they put in the Gatorade I drink at class and the gym... :eek:
It frustrates the shit out of me to see the crap that gets passed off as health food. I love it when they say "no sugar added", and the label lists evaporated cane juice as a sweetener.
Just like the sweeteners in Mike's link. What's so bad about the store-bought shit. High fructose corn syrup. Where does fructose come from? Fruit. Why do these alternative sweeteners taste good? Because they're full of fucking fructose.
odin
October 10th, 2007, 07:49 PM
It frustrates the shit out of me to see the crap that gets passed off as health food. I love it when they say "no sugar added", and the label lists evaporated cane juice as a sweetener. That's MY peeve too!!! Apparently it doesn't become "legal" sugar until it's been processed. :krofl
ngrh8r
October 10th, 2007, 07:58 PM
That's MY peeve too!!! Apparently it doesn't become "legal" sugar until it's been processed. :krofl
If Kwans weren't so goddamn STUPID, you know?
The other day I caught my buddy giving his 3 year old daughter a big glass of blue "juice" from one of those gallon jugs. He fucking argued with me for half an hour about the health benefits of sugar water from the dollar store. :mad:
I've gotta cut the guy some slack, though. His daughter already says "nigger" and "wetback". I wonder who taught her words like that.:cool:
JesseGibson
October 11th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Concerning the salt:
I've always been led to believe that it is about the ratio of sodium to potassium, not the amount of sodium per se. The electrolyte balance (sodium to potassium ratio) is what I was brought to believe caused some health issues.
Donnie in Ohio
October 13th, 2007, 06:05 AM
You're right about the additives, Odin.
Unfortunately, those anti-caking agents are found in pretty much everything, including many of the "natural" products. I still think the sodium itself is a much greater worry.
You know,I just realized that my "healthy" low-fat, low-carb beef jerky has an entire day's worth of sodium. Once you factor in a few more meals, not to mention all the shit they put in the Gatorade I drink at class and the gym... :eek:
It frustrates the shit out of me to see the crap that gets passed off as health food. I love it when they say "no sugar added", and the label lists evaporated cane juice as a sweetener.
Just like the sweeteners in Mike's link. What's so bad about the store-bought shit. High fructose corn syrup. Where does fructose come from? Fruit. Why do these alternative sweeteners taste good? Because they're full of fucking fructose.
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October 13th, 2007, 12:46 PM
We use Nature's Cargo salt. The company says that it is made from seawater on the coast of France,where they slowly let the sun evaporate the water in shallow ponds, and what is left are the minerals inherent in the sea water.
I've done a taste test with the seawater unrefined salt, and regular supermarket salt, and I can tell the difference. The Sifto salt burns. According to the label, the NaCl content of the evaporated-seawater salt is about 92%. In any event, most people, esp. middle aged and older, should not use much of any kind of added salt.
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