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sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 01:43 AM
Book review: K.D Rebel
By Sean (Doc) Martin
I write a great deal of material for distribution (I finance out of my own pocket so I don’t have to be beholding to anybody). While my writings are not famous I do read a considerable amount and am college educated on the matter so I do know what works and what doesn’t.

I decided to read the latest piece of racialist fiction K.D Rebel by David Lane while it is not on par with such works as Marvin and the martin slayer, which went into detail on how to construct weapons it also lacked the reality of the Turner Diaries which details a workable plan it didn’t have the ideology of mien kamph and of course there is nightmare the prophesy of GLR, and one of my favorites the fabled ducks and hens which should be required reading for all children

It however is an interesting read to a White Nationalists when they have an evening to kill, although I believe it will lack any appeal to anyone that is not a WN.

One of the observations I made during reading this is maybe lane has spent too much time away from females. I know I am going to get flamed for that statement but Nationalist fiction is not supposed to give you a woody. It would have been better if Lane had just focused on that aspect and made this an emotional novel about the love of Aryan males and females.
It does however contain the emotional drama of relationships but doesn’t really play any of them out and ended abruptly with little explanation. The plot jump made it more difficult to follow, one minute we are with Trebor and 2 hot girls and then they disappear and al of the sudden Trebor has scored with the girls and is the leader of a new world. What happened? It has a plot more like “Jones Verses the Ashtray” and “White Angel” there was interesting plots that just disappeared. It left me wanting to know more about Trebor and his mates, what happened there? Sure they got it on in the end but all that build up to switch right in the middle of a plot. This shows Lane’s roughness as a writer of fiction. Of course he pays homage to his dear friend Bob Matthews but Bob Matthews did good things, stealing and Killing wasn’t the top two things he should be remembered for. When Bob Matthews was involved with works such as No-Fit he made much progress and used that as a valuable recruitment tool. That should be our focus when we turn our thoughts to Bob Matthews. What is the point of being a martyr if nobody remembers why you are a martyr in the first place.

The book does contain to many weaknesses to be used effectively against the forces of ZOG. It holds to strongly to the Viking mentality (pillage from another’s labors) Vikings mostly prepared for war and we need to prepare for a white society. We need carpenters, farmers and plumbers if we are going to have a functional society. These guys ran around killing and taking but not really creating this is more of a fantasy than a reality. If we lived under the Viking mentality (where any weakness would get to killed) how many of use would be here, would David lane have made the cut?

There was a glaring weakness, David lane is a victim of society therefore he could not go into detail on how to create a workable society. The writings of Kurt Saxon (whom I am not affiliated with nor agree with on many ideologies) he goes into detail on how to rebuild a society from scratch. While David Lane lacks the technical knowledge to explain these details so he just has our hapless heroes killing for what they need and taking women. A society of Aryans that did not have running water what is wrong with this picture? We need to learn how to create ourselves, where are all the white plumbers? I could have gotten these people running water in a couple weeks at most. We are lead to believe because of the chronology of the children that they had been there for around 2 years. In this amount of time they had managed to do nothing more than build some cabins and scrounge the shattered remains of society outside of Matthewsville for furniture. Wasn’t there one person there that could construct a sawmill and build furniture and make weapons? Another thing.

Ok now while these Aryans are up in the mountains with no running water or water heaters or indoor plumbing the Jews and Africans manage to create laser guns that can shoot helicopters out of the air. Maybe Aryans created it but the book explains that all the Aryan males are whipped so therefore their creative genius was seriously dulled.

I know this is supposed to be racialist fiction but that was outright fantasy.

According to this book the only people that will survive are the warriors that steal what they need instead of building a new society. That is a hopeless fantasy. Aryans create we don’t have to steal from others because we can create our own. They didn’t build any furniture of sawmills the only thing they were capable of in terms of creating is to go down and scrounge the rubble of a society that did create. Nobody could build a chair? Other than being able to cut throats and shoot at short distances what benefit was these people? They could take what others had built and make cabins from that but they didn’t do much else. They pillaged from the creations of others instead of creating their selves, they pillaged from the society that they had clung to so strongly. If this gaggle of miscreants could not devise running water in the time frame at least 2 years how could they run a civilized society? These were people so ingrained to society that they could not live without it or the destroyed remains of a judaized society. These guys aren’t interested in building a working society just waiting for the Russians or the collapse to come and bail them out.

Come on David Give us Aryans more credit than that.

As far as a manual goes it is no more useful than those scrounge in the garbage live of the remains of society books.
If you are looking for answers and a plan AVOID THIS BOOK LIKE THE PLAUGE. Turn your minds to Mien Kamph, Marvin the Martian slayer or even the Turner Diaries but at all costs do not try and live out this fantasy.

Remember this David Lane’s plans landed him in prison; he is not someone you would want to plan for your future. The assassination and robbery attempts like is in this book is what landed Lane in prison and Matthews in a grave in the first place. He has good ideas in some areas but as far as the plan for the future forget it.

Another fantasy of this book is how quickly the women adjusted to their new environment. The “hey girls it is like being on a camping trip with a bunch of hot guys” mentality is just not believable, I just didn’t buy it. People are not going to adjust to murder and kidnapping and a complete change in environment that easily. There is nothing more beautiful than an Aryan woman but to claim them as property such as like having a dog around the house come on give me a break this just is not working.

Over all we should be learning how to rebuild a white society. Our focus should be on white solidarity rather than criminal acts that land you in prison where your value is greatly diminished. Build our white communities and keep them white.

I live in an all white community and when we have troubles we can create an immediate solution. When our water failed the gas froze off and we had 3 feet of snow thus cutting off from society we created and over came. Geographically it doesn’t take much to cut us from society. But it doesn’t take much for us to get running water and heat on our own again. A couple hours at most. And we have a man that works for the power company living a couple hoses away so it doesn’t take long to get power back on.

We need to come up with a book that is usable, something with the creativeness of “Clarence the Martian slayer”, the political message of “Mien Kamph”, the seriousness and emotionalism of the writings of “George Lincoln Rockwell”,the entertainment value, drama and overall plan of the “Turner Diaries”, and the relevance of works such as David Dukes “My Awakening”

I know I am going to get flamed by Aryans screaming David Lane is a martyr but the point is not what he did or didn’t do. I am not questioning his contribution to society but rather the usefulness of this book and application to our lives right now. The point is as a manual for revolution this book is seriously lacking. There are people that are looking for a blueprint for revolution and this isn’t it.

I can only imagine of the shouts of “Jew” and “what have you done for whites” when people read this. I can assure anyone though that I am pure German heritage and I have done a lot for my people.

Sean (Doc) Martin

AK*
06-10-2004, 02:55 AM
Well, you make some good points, the most important being the book did come to hasty end, but I think David's health was not that good and he had to cut it short, although ideally I believe he would have liked to double or triple the length.

Having said that, I rather liked the book, but recognize that it is "Turner Diaries Light". A decent short read.

But on the other hand, I think you were a bit hard on their building prowess, they were in the process of building a water and sewer system, the settlement was in it's early stages. And the main character "Trebor" was the leader of the raiders, and so naturally not expected to do alot of utilities construction. And with the gov recently bombing them, a spread-out primitive settlement with one-story homes under the trees makes good sense.

And the term "sister-wives" has become part of my permanent vocabulary :D

sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 03:15 AM
Yeah I was wondering if I was a bit hard on their building ingenuity. But I am from a rural area and building things just comes naturally to me. When something breaks down or needs built it is usually done in a matter of hours or a few days at most. Growing up on a farm in the middle on nowhere we didn't have the luxury of heading to town for quick mends and waiting days on parts. Often things had to be done in accordance with the weather which many times gave you a few hours at most.

Sometimes it is difficult for me to imagine white people that would call a carpenter or plumber, when my dad taught me to build houses complete with wiring, plumbing ect (white dads learn from this teach your children well) and taught me the art of farming and things of that nature. He grew up during the depression so he made sure to make me competent.

But while many readers even possible David Lane didn't have the benefit of their dad quitting his factory job and relocating to the all white countryside at the age of 6. What my dad didn’t teach me (about hunting, shooting, military tactics) there was always a relative or neighbor to teach me these things. Things like this come natural to me. I still work on houses and trailers ect. Many times I take for granted that even though this is in the Aryans genes to create it was not planted in their upbringing.

The thing I was saying was they were there for around 2 years (I assume) and even though through the bombings ect they should have had their act together a little better than that.


Maybe that should be the job I apply for after the revolution “homeland coordinator” I could see me doing that. I would like to do that right now. Set up white societies. Of course that is what I am trying to keep together where I live.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-10-2004, 02:24 PM
out of curiousity are you familiar with william johnstone's tristates series of apocalyptic fiction? used to be big with the militia crowd and it had a certain outgrowth onto the internet in survivalist circles. you mention saxon so you may be familiar with all that...

fact is not such gotterdamerung is on the way. the closest thing would be a slow implementation of the Dieoff scenario, which, if it happens slow enough, will still leave the Jews in charge.

We need to quit wishing for the Second Coming to bail us out of the hard work that lies ahead. I dont care if it's the second coming of JHC or AAH, there is no substitute for reality.

999
06-10-2004, 04:27 PM
I wonder how many readers would like to read all the technical details of building in the wilderness...well in fact I would.

I didn't read David Lane's book. But what is that other book you mention about Marvin and the Martian or something like that?

sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 06:58 PM
An ideology without the technical knowledge and a workable plan to back it up is not going to do us much good. If a person says “let’s severely trounce the Jews” but doesn’t tell you how to do it he is wasting his time and yours.

I am familiar with Johnstone’s works; I bought all of them in paperback for $1.00 a piece in the used section of the bookstore. But I didn’t have the time to really set down and read them. I will probably read many of them someday.

I have the technical knowledge to write some good and usable material, but as Dr. Pierce I lack the character development and the conversation that would draw non-WN’s to read my works. Also I am not sure of the legal repercussions of writing an in-depth technical how-to manual for WN’s. If I find someone that has a good talent for writing plot developments and interesting characters we may put something together. I have a talent for humor, which I think, is very important in attracting non-WN’s but a technical humorous book wouldn’t go over very well in my opinion.

I am better at writing speeches and short articles, but when I write something that takes place of a novel length my characters start to lose their appeal.

Someone mentioned Dr. Pierce’s book “Hunter” I read that also and didn’t see a lot of relevance in it either. But also we must remember that Dr Pierce has no experience with guns in the real world (I gathered that from his book). His idea of how a hit man works is about 50 miles off. But with books such as “hunter” it has the same appeal to people as works like “the anarchist cookbook” and many of it’s internet offshoots. Words of caution if you have “the anarchist cookbook” don’t use it. Many of the explosives mentioned there could only be preformed by professionals. In one of his kooky concoctions he forgets to mention that a tempter change of .3 degrees Celsius would cause the whole thing to explode and in another he also leaves out the fact that if you move it kaboom. With the omissions and plain mistakes to many to mention in that book it is one of the worst and useless I have ever read.

Adolph Hitler had the ideology to change a country but he was also technically sound. He could design tanks, cars, and shelters along with his staff of scientists he could perfect his ideas into workable tools. In my opinion this is what made Hitler so great. He could understand designs for weapons of war, he also understood battle strategies, as well as politics and what the people needed. I have never seen another leader that could create since Hitler and that is why we have had such poor leaders in the world. They have no basic understanding of how and why things work, there fore they only do what others have taught them and they can’t create something new or something that someone else doesn’t already know.

Inventiveness and ingenuity is what makes a leader. Strategy that no one before him has heard of is what keeps him on top.

When is the last time Bush or any president before him designed a car, tank or a house? When is the last time a leader came up with a political strategy without any advisors?

sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 08:19 PM
#1 I never said "Hard" work just work. #2 I never said anything about violence. And as far as stealing goes, you can get any African drug dealer on the street to steal and kill but what benefit to society is he.

All these guys managed to do was nothing more than a crack head African is capable of doing.

Ok the towns were bombed out and they was hid. It takes one capable man 1 day to dig a hand dug well and another day to provide running water. Remember that the town next to them was hardly destroyed and had many valuable things in it. So it would have had the equipment for running water. Come on even with the cities bombed out they were in safety for the most part for quite some time. How long does it take to get your act together.

Apparently other than the ability to steal they had no redeemable qualities whatsoever.

So if your idea of revolution is to rob from others and kill, that is cool with me but don't call me for a character witness when you are behind bars.

My question Dr is how many houses have you built, wired, and installed plumbing fixtures on? How many years have you spent in an area like described in K.D Rebel?

Believe me people this unorganized and not capable of doing anything beyond what a crack head drug dealer can do would not be able to start creating a new society. If they can't get thier act together in a small place like Matthewsville how could you expect them to run America?

If your grand scheme is to steal from the Jews, doesn’t that mean that you would have to steal from those more successful or capable than you?

Successful and creative people don’t have to steal, we build what we need.

Maybe there are some people that find the idea of nothing more than criminal acts amusing and useful. Ask Bob Matthews and David Lane what Criminal acts did for them.

Those are not the two people I want to plan my future. I don’t particularly like the idea of spending my life behind bars with Bubba or getting burned alive by ZOG forces. But if that is your desire don’t do it in my area because criminal whites make it difficult enough for us WN’s that make a difference and accomplish something.

sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 10:30 PM
Ok DR ANTICHRIST where did I moan? You calling me a white man stupid ha ha. That if funny there has been enough Africans to do that and I don't really care. So are you white I don't know but you seem to want to fight with a white activist. Hey dude I am not hard to find and I have put more than my share of damaging white loudmouths (since you like name calling) in their place. And the Order did what? Beat ZOG and saved the world? What fairy tale did you read, Oh I am sorry I didn't read my news paper this morning. No wait you are taking about the book. The K.D Rebel I read the Order didn't defeat ZOG it came unglued on it's on and the Russians overcame ZOG.

I liked the way you quoted me on everything and then relpied to my quotes. Did you learn that in debate school or come up with that on your own. I am glad to see I have provided you with amusment to quote and refute. I was sure I could motivate you to do something for your people. Mabye I should change my plan. I hope you don't think less of me because I don't quote your entire speech.

That is a nice name you use I guess you are afraid that the Jew will discover your real name. So you can sit in your mothers basement and talk about me all you want and quote me and fight me wow your mom must be proud that you are fighting with another activist for your race. So do your thing but don't call me from behind bars.

Oh yeah and digging wells are nice but he could have at least given the credit and just said they had running water instead acting like they didn't have enough sense to already have it. He didn't have to devote chapters to it.

I have to many Jews to fight to waste my time with some net nazi. So you can reply again if you want to as far as I am concerned if you are not helping the white struggle you are wasting my time.

Oh and for the record I wasn't ragging on "The Great" David Lanes plans, I was pointing out the weaknesses so other whites won't make the same mistakes.

I don't know people like you have caused the movement in my area more harm than good by getting involved in personal wars against other Aryans. Maybe your plan will work. Fight all the white activists and waste their time that they could be out making a difference. I am sure you will be the next white leader. I will just be happy to make a difference for the good of the white race.

Oh yeah I almost forgot are you a Jew or just a ZOG undercover agent?

Ha ha had to throw that in for good sarcasm. And you can quote me on that.

It is all cool I had an evening to kill I didn’t get a chance to do a lot today other wise someone like you wouldn’t be worth my time.

sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 10:36 PM
Oh yeah and the founding fathers won thier battle. Who exactly is the system name names so we know who we are fighting. ZOG has let us build a white community in peace free from crime. They won't if you go around shooting at senators. Buy the land in your area and encourage whites to buy white and ZOG cannot stop them from segregating. DUH now isn't that simple that is what we did and it has worked well for decades.

Just had to throw that in after I actually read what you said.

Nordblod
06-10-2004, 10:41 PM
[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]the Viking mentality (pillage from another’s labors) Vikings mostly prepared for war . [/QUOTE]

This is a common misconception, particularly disturbing when expressed by WN:s (who really should know better; in some cases snared by the insidious allure of the romantic notion of some ferociously uncompromising Männerbund of yore, in others simply drawn in by the very propaganda they profess to have seen through) and I feel obligated to take issue with it whenever I see it disseminated. This feeling of obligation does not, however, always elicit any actual measure to be taken, aside from the odd grunt (or rather peep) of discontent, and sometimes even an impressive snarl of indignant derision (unfailingly followed by a rather less impressive fit of effete coughing). So an answer such as this is an honour afforded only a select few. Bears thinking about.

sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 10:48 PM
Norblod I never was a huge fan of Viking history until after they settled and became the Swedes, the Danes ect and build great societies. But I do know that Viking ship designs are still in many capacities used today and are still effective.

Maybe you could provide me with some resources so I can study them more in depth.

The Viking mentality does not necessarily mean what the actual Vikings did but rather denotes what they are perceived as doing now. I don’t believe the modern Viking mentality is identical as the Vikings of old.

Thanks for the info though. I will look into it further.

bizmark
06-10-2004, 11:30 PM
[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Norblod I never was a huge fan of Viking history until after they settled and became the Swedes, the Danes ect and build great societies. But I do know that Viking ship designs are still in many capacities used today and are still effective.

Maybe you could provide me with some resources so I can study them more in depth.

The Viking mentality does not necessarily mean what the actual Vikings did but rather denotes what they are perceived as doing now. I don’t believe the modern Viking mentality is identical as the Vikings of old.

Thanks for the info though. I will look into it further.[/QUOTE]

Read just the first section/chapter of Egil's Saga and you'll see how most of the time the vikings were farmers. "Viking" just means warrior BTW... thus in Egil's Saga we find sentences like "So he decided to become a viking" meaning he would prepare to go on a war party and leave his normal life behind for a couple of years. And when they got old, the great vikings always retired back to their farms.

And where do you think they came from, they lived on the oceans? They were *always* in Sweden and Denmark, that's where the Vikings came from. Have you ever even read Beowulf? Do you think that it's possible for a society/culture to sustain itself solely by stealing from others? Well I guess the Jews have pulled it off so far, but Aryans? Come on.

sean(doc)martin
06-10-2004, 11:50 PM
Yeah I read Beowulf but it was before I was a WN so I don't remember much about it. Thanks for the Info. I have another post about the Viking mentality I am not referring as much to the actual Vikings as much as I am to the mentality in itself that I explain.

Oh yeah and DR ANTICHRIST wow you insulted me now my pride is hurt what ever shall I do possibly quit the movement.

Hey pal I just offer constructive criticism I don't attack people personally. Maybe you don't like white people I don't know I don't even know your real name. But if you have something personally against me Bluefield VA you can find me very easy, but other than that don't try and harm my efforts to move the white race forward. I do see how you use Jewish tactics when you can’t attack someone with believable facts you resort to attacking them as a person. So you can go back to your basement and remain a Net Nazi because there is at least one thing I am glad enough is that you won’t come out of your mom’s basement long enough to do any real harm to the movement. I don’t bow at the alter of Lane but hey it is not my problem I don’t think someone who’s plan for the future landed their whole group in Jail, grave or exile. I am sure that there is any body that can say his plan didn’t lack something you know like an overall victory. I believe even David Lane would tell people he doesn’t like being in prison and having his best friend in the grave.

If going to jail is your idea of activism that is cool with me, you can leave your neighborhood with some Africans and be in prison with a lot of Africans maybe you will be able to make our prisons all white.

If you don't like me personally fine but it is not my fault Africans have invaded your home and you have done nothing to stop them and I was able to Dr Antagonist.

I don’t know maybe Jewish tactics like personal attacks against other whites is exactly what we need to win the struggle. While you are attacking me there is a Jew taking over another bank and an African driving around in a car with a blonde you would die for (at least I hope you like women)

But with all that said I will say this if you are fighting for white rights and I see you as long as you are not doing something stupid and harming the movement I could put the differences aside and join in. I ask could you do the same for me? Probably not, because your fragile ego is more valuable to you than the overall picture. That is why the white movement is so divided right now.

bizmark
06-11-2004, 12:29 AM
[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Yeah I read Beowulf but it was before I was a WN so I don't remember much about it. Thanks for the Info. I have another post about the Viking mentality I am not referring as much to the actual Vikings as much as I am to the mentality in itself that I explain.

Oh yeah and DR ANTICHRIST wow you insulted me now my pride is hurt what ever shall I do possibly quit the movement.

Hey pal I just offer constructive criticism I don't attack people personally. Maybe you don't like white people I don't know I don't even know your real name. But if you have something personally against me Bluefield VA you can find me very easy, but other than that don't try and harm my efforts to move the white race forward. I do see how you use Jewish tactics when you can’t attack someone with believable facts you resort to attacking them as a person. So you can go back to your basement and remain a Net Nazi because there is at least one thing I am glad enough is that you won’t come out of your mom’s basement long enough to do any real harm to the movement. I don’t bow at the alter of Lane but hey it is not my problem I don’t think someone who’s plan for the future landed their whole group in Jail, grave or exile. I am sure that there is any body that can say his plan didn’t lack something you know like an overall victory. I believe even David Lane would tell people he doesn’t like being in prison and having his best friend in the grave.

If going to jail is your idea of activism that is cool with me, you can leave your neighborhood with some Africans and be in prison with a lot of Africans maybe you will be able to make our prisons all white.

If you don't like me personally fine but it is not my fault Africans have invaded your home and you have done nothing to stop them and I was able to Dr Antagonist.

I don’t know maybe Jewish tactics like personal attacks against other whites is exactly what we need to win the struggle. While you are attacking me there is a Jew taking over another bank and an African driving around in a car with a blonde you would die for (at least I hope you like women)

But with all that said I will say this if you are fighting for white rights and I see you as long as you are not doing something stupid and harming the movement I could put the differences aside and join in. I ask could you do the same for me? Probably not, because your fragile ego is more valuable to you than the overall picture. That is why the white movement is so divided right now.[/QUOTE]

If you look back at this thread, you'll see that you were the one who started the ad hominems. The worst that DR ANTICHRIST said about you in his initial responses was "you sound like a system school teacher". Not exactly a stinging flame. And he said that part of your review was "bullshit" and other parts of it were "stupid." Not you.... your review. (People here at VNN are liberal with the cursing BTW) In general, he attacked your argument and not you (and for the record I agree with him.... he wrote essentially what I was going to write but decided it'd take too long.) You responded with stuff about him "sit[ting] in [his] mother's basement," "net nazi," "Jew" etc. And then you admitted that you hadn't even read what he wrote. That's not the best way to endear yourself around here.

You spend so much time attacking him and you still never answered most of his criticisms. (And BTW the method of debating by quoting the entire post and interjecting comments into it is very well-established and probably the best way to argue on forums like this.) You question what he's done for his race, and you say "you might not like me personally".... you've taken this whole thing way too seriously. DR ANTICHRIST has nothing against you, or at least he didn't when he first started posting in this thread. You had written your review, and you put it up for public consumption. Thus you also put it up for public criticism, and you've dealt with this criticism like a big baby. Grow some thicker skin if you want to speak your mind around here and have people actually listen.

It's actually quite funny to read over your last post... it's clear to see that *you're* the one with the fragile ego, the one hurling personal insults when he doesn't feel like answering arguments one by one. "it is not my fault Africans have invaded your home and you have done nothing to stop them and I was able to Dr Antagonist." What the fuck does that mean? You're just making shit up, attributing to him something that's completely the opposite of reality. Who's using the "Jewish tactics" now, eh? (BTW I don't know DR ANTICHRIST and he's actually pissed me off a few times on this forum, but what the hell)

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-11-2004, 01:17 AM
hey sean relax. dr antichrist is in charge of vnnforum hazing. that's why he picked the offensive name. really, under that black goat mask, he's as soft as, er well, ice! dr's misconfigured spell check function and laconic style are his hallmarks and licking sticklickers his game!

Inspired by something Chain copied from SF, I say:

"To all VNN members who dont want to be part of the "VNNFORUM FAMILY:" tough SHITE! You're in and you're going to fucking like it or else!"

sean(doc)martin
06-11-2004, 01:25 AM
Yeah I was just having fun. So it may have been at his expense. I do that from time to time when people criticize me; actually I appreciate him keeping my post bumped up to the front page. I rely more on the intelligence of the Aryan people myself. Brawn is good but not effective without a plan.

Actually with what I have been through since I joined the struggle there is not much that can harm my ego. I went through and read some of his other points he does have some good points in some areas, so I will leave the Dr alone, because when it is all said and done I would rather have him for a neighbor than an any African any day no matter how you slice it.

But I still hold to my thoughts on K.D Rebel, I would like to see something more usable written. But as fiction it is an interesting read, but nothing that would really work.