Christianity and White Nationalism
By: Sean (Doc) Martin
First of all I would like to say I am a fire breathing sword toting (the sword of the spirit or sword of steel the take your choice) Gospel shouting Christian. The kind that nearly trounced paganism from the face of the planet, or the kind that took a couple hundred good men with no money, a search for religious freedom and beat the dogsnot out of Britain and formed this country. Motivated Christians are a force to be reckoned with by anybodies standards.

Now to the paganists who so dearly claim that it is those weak willed Christians that give the Jews so much power and is their backbone (which to an extent is true). If those weak willed Xian guys can change the world imagine what a few motivated Aryan Christians dedicated to white survival with the warrior mentality can do.

There was one guy on here that asked if I was an Xian because I sounded like one, while I think he meant that to slight me I took it as a complement.

If you are going to change America to a whiter brighter nation and put the Christians aside you will have to face facts soon that there are more Christians and those that pledge allegiance to Christ than there are Odinists and Pagans. A lot of what you see in Christianity today is fairly new (what Odinists ect hate so strongly about it). The doctrine of the secret rapture of the Jews and Israel being the center of Religion didn’t become popular until around the last half-century or so.

I don’t have a problem with paganists but if they have a problem with me I am not from the turn the other cheek guys. I know there are many that usually respond with “---- you” Xian while secretly thinking that will scare the daylights out of them. Just so you know I have been spit on, bitten, cursed at and even attacked by an angry mob wielding milk duds (When I was a body guard for a highly hated individual) so a few “net curses” are not going to shake me one inch. Then there are the ones that yell death cult and your hero is a dead man on a cross, Paganism ect WN’s have their share of dead martyrs so there is not much room to talk about honoring the dead. I don’t push what I believe on others but if asked I will explain why I believe what I believe and there are times when people will want to know the reasons behind my actions.

I want to go to Heaven as strongly as Odinists want to go to Valhalla so attacking a Christians faith is not only going to do nothing for the movement but it does nothing for the solidarity of the movement either.

I majored in theology and did my minor in psychology in college and all the time I held to my WN views and never made a secret of it. So it is highly possible for a WN to be a Christian and a Christian to be a WN and not only a WN but an effective one also.

If you want to hear what a true Christian thinks about the Middle East here is a link from one of the most popular preachers in the Church of Christ. Here on the Middle East: Touble in the Middle East
http://www.pioneerpreachers.com/media/02%20-%20Trouble%20in%20the%20Middle%20East.rm
PreMillennialism" - Guy N.Woods:
http://pioneerpreachers.com/media/02%20-%20Premillianniumism.rm

You may be surprise if you attend a Church of Christ service that you don’t see all that nonsense that is pushed on televitz. You won’t hear that Israel is the center of all religion and you won’t see those fake healers peddling snake oil and there won’t be anyone asking you for money (there is an offering taken but this is for the members to give guests are not expected to give anything).

The Church of Christ has produced some good men such as Kurt Saxon and David Duke (although I don’t know if either is still a Christian). Richard Butler holds to the name Church of Jesus Christ and he has given more than any of us could think in terms of years and sacrifice for the movement. They both got sound teaching about the bible. If you lean towards Christianity and are look for some people to worship with and are sick of the Rapture, Jews are the chosen, mainstream garbage that clutters up to many religious organizations give the Church of Christ a try. I am not pushing the Church of Christ as a racist religion (although predominantly white there are a few African congregations) but there is not all the Jewish slants involved with it either. A WN that desires to be a Christian is a lot better off there than anywhere else.

There is an article on VNN Christianity and White Nationalism by George Crane, who details out many of the problem with mainstream television religion. The Church of Christ is absolutely nothing like he explains and not only that the Church of Christ is against those practices also. I read the article and that is about as far from Christianity in its purest form as daylight is from dark.

So the word is out on the ol Doc, I know there are probably some reading this right now going “Jew lover” but that doesn’t bother me like I stated earlier I have heard it all. What does concern me is the fate of our nation and who is wiling to do something about it.

Sean (Doc) Martin

The core of Christianity is judaism. The core of Islam is judaism.

The names, the places, the values are all foreign in every respect to the Aryan.

Religions can be thought of as a framework of how to operate in a society, an operating system. If you choose judaism or its derivatives, at the core, you are operating on jewish rules and rituals.

Jews are not a race, they're a tribe or two at most, yet they are no different than their cousins in the middle east or the country of turkey, what sets them apart is their system of values and rituals.

Smash judaism and its updated versions (christ, islam), burn their books, destroy their worshiping centers and scatter their young, and you will, if you keep up with it for decades, destroy the jews completely.

You can start as many fights over this as you like. My position is close to lots of others and it's simple (and it keeps most, but not all, flame wars from starting).

You can be a Christian and a white nationalist.

But you don't have to be a Christian to be a white nationalist.

I know because I held my racial positions for years as a Christian and they have not changed one iota when I took the walk out.

There are Christians on this board (you know who you are) who insist that anyone adhearing to the paganism of their ancestors are "tools of the Jews". So, logically, pagans are going to respond by saying that xians are "tools of the Jews" just to get back.

And if it's a perfectly circular and worthless argument either way.

Hold whatever views you like. But Europeanist pagans do tend to view Levantine religions with suspicion. It's nothing personal. We'd rather have our folk-spirits than scriptures vetted by a dying and desperate empire.

Martin Luther 1483 - 1546 warned of corrupt jew influence in the church. He broke off from the catholic church and ushered in the protestant faith. There's a big difference between half a century and five hundred or more years, doc.


Actually, Martin Luther saw the corruption of the catholic church when he took a journey to Rome, after what he saw going on there it changed him.

One of the first things Martin Luther wanted to do, was to get jews to join christianity. He preached loving the jews. His thought was that if christians would love and accept the jews and be very nice to them, instead of hating them and spitting on them, that they would join christianity and worship jesus.

It was only after the jews shunned him and resisted his attempts to convert them, for so long, that he grew a great hatred towards them for not converting to his new brand of christianity.

The same thing happened with Mohammed and his religion hundreds of years earlier.

History keeps repeating itself.

And if you go carrying pictures of Baphomet, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow!

The problem.

Ancient Pagans' view: the gods are the national gods. To destroy or harm the nation is to defile the gods.

Christians' view: Jeebus and the Almighty are universal. To destroy everything material that has ever existed is not to defile God in any way.

The Jews, it is obvious, resemble the pagans in this aspect.

If Sean can make a difference with his fellow Christians, then I have no problem whatever with his faith, or his propagation of his faith.

As far as Christianity's being a religion of the weak against the strong, we are lucky that the Roman Empire adopted it and transmuted it into a weapon of authority before all civilization and even culture (which includes barbarians) collapsed in the addiction to spiritualism and faith. Christianity became the religion of the learned in Europe because the Romans and Greeks had already institutionalised learning in their countries. There is nothing even remotely approaching the encouragement of civilized practises in the New Testament, except the dissemination of moral codes - moral codes being something all peoples have in any case. The Dark Ages saved Greek and Roman learning thanks to the astute conversion of the upper classes; prior to this the Christians destroyed whatever got in their way - and some that didn't, as in the case of the Library of Alexandria.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]While I am opposed to Christianity, many of the most successful Eastern European nationalist movements are fiercely Christian. They also happen to be far more successful than anything the United States has ever had. Of course, in time the religion must die out. So long as you worship a foreign god, you are a slave.[/QUOTE]

blah,blah ,blah who cares ether way............Hey I know lets go back to the other thread -kd Rebel

Both groups are consumed by something largely irrelevant to our genetic survival. So both groups are largely irrelevant to our survival. :p If the shoe fits...

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]While I am opposed to Christianity, many of the most successful Eastern European nationalist movements are fiercely Christian. They also happen to be far more successful than anything the United States has ever had. Of course, in time the religion must die out. So long as you worship a foreign god, you are a slave.[/QUOTE]

Baphomet is from Jewish witchcraft -

Here is what Eliphas Lévi had to say about the Baphomet image he drew. My thanks go to Christian Joachim Hartmann for providing me with this translation from Lévi's book:

"The goat on the frontispiece carries the sign of the pentagram on the forehead, with one point at the top, a symbol of light, his two hands forming the sign of hermetism, the one pointing up to the white moon of Chesed,
the other pointing down to the black one of Geburah.
This sign expresses the perfect harmony of mercy with justice. His one arm is female, the other male like the ones of the androgyn of Khunrath, the attributes of which we had to unite with those of our goat because he is one and the same symbol. The flame of intelligence shining between his horns is the magic light of the universal balance, the image of the soul elevated above matter, as the flame, whilst being tied to matter, shines above it. The ugly beast's head expresses the horror of the sinner, whose materially acting, solely reponsible part has to bear the punishment exclusively; because the soul is insensitive according to its nature and can only suffer when it materializes. The rod standing instead of genitals symbolizes eternal life, the body covered with scales the water, the semi- circle above it the atmosphere, the feathers following above the volatile. Humanity is represented by the two breasts and the androgyn arms of this sphinx of the occult sciences."

So basically if a man looks white, acts white, marries white and fights white, (David Duke Adolph Hitler unless you watch jewvision and believe he is a paganist). Is instrumental in winning the fight against Jews. You would turn on him because of his faith in Christianity.

Yeah it basically is over when whites are so short sighted that they would choose to fight another white.

I don't really care about any of that though. Us Christians have been the action people in the white movement more times than pagans (but then aside from learning from mistakes history isn’t going to make my neighborhood white).

I know the story Jews used Christians and Christians used the Romans to conquer Pagans. Blah blah blah, Oy veh Ve are so posecuted somebody make it stop. What were those pagans doing during all this time when everybody else was acting. If you had trounced the Romans, Jews, ect we wouldn’t be in this mess anyway but that is a different story right now the worry is to make a “white country white”.

I hear a lot about the Xians and Jews and tears of rage but if you are not doing something about it don’t complain about those of us that are. If there is a house on your block you haven’t at least attempted to put some racist material in and there is someone in your neighborhood that doesn’t know you are a racist or you haven’t won anyone to the joys of acting and thinking white in the last let’s say 6 months to be fair than you have nothing to say because you have done nothing about your situation.

I work days in the community and nights writing material for distribution in my community, but as I am sure you have it better than my ALL WHITE CHRISTIAN community that I live in and have managed to teach people to want to keep things that way.

Who knows building all white Christian communities may be a bad plan, if you have a better one let me know.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Yeah it basically is over when whites are so short sighted that they would choose to fight another white.
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My point exactly.

Work together when you can where you can. Your thing is a white Christian community and mine is the several rural pagan groups I work with. Sooner than later, this will all take off. And if white Christians and white pagans find nothing better to do than fight each other then screw it, they deserve extinction.

But most whites know better by now. I hope.

[QUOTE=FranzJoseph]My point exactly.

Work together when you can where you can. Your thing is a white Christian community and mine is the several rural pagan groups I work with. Sooner than later, this will all take off. And if white Christians and white pagans find nothing better to do than fight each other then screw it, they deserve extinction.

But most whites know better by now. I hope.[/QUOTE]

Very true, it would be easier for pagans and Christians to segregate than it would for whites and not whites to segregate.

If we have a white country then we can segregate when the need arises. White Pagans and Christians would self-segregate.


My main concern is a white country people say I have turned on whites but they cannot name one anti white thing I have done for or to my community. I will re read the posts I made but I cannot even see where I said all pagan whites should die or where I have turned on pagan whites. People can make a generalization because of whatever the Catholics ect have done to whites but I made sure to mention I am not catholic, and what I am affiliated with does not promote those things if you would listen to the links I posted you would know that.

I would rather sort the pagans Christians ect out after we are 100% white but there are others that think they can do that now and still defeat the Jews, as if 14,000,000 Jews and 1,000,000,000 Muslims are not a big enough threat then they want to go and tackle 70,000,000 Christians to. What kind of people do we have planning for our future when you turn against some when you are already grossly out numbered? The same fight that caused us to lose in 1964 will be the same thing to cause us to lose in 2004 (whites fighting whites).

When it comes to white pagan verses Jew, African ect all I am seeing is skin color but for the pagans (a weakness in their ideology for the most part) they would shoot for the cross first and then the Jew, and African. What is wrong with this picture? And then when the Christians rise up to defend their selves the Jews will just move on somewhere else until the fighting is done.

With this frame of mind (whites fighting whites something I NEVER PROMOTE) we will never win. All that should be seen is the color of skin or the DNA of Genes, mine happen to be pure German on both sides. There are Aryans that would take more pleasure in killing me than they would killing a Jew or African or even a Mexican.

Maybe I am thick because I am a pure blood German but all I see is the same rhetoric that all Xians love Jews and Love Africans. Nobody has managed to prove that to me as of yet. What the Jew bought religious organizations do does not reflect the rest of us. The ideology is just because someone is a Christian they hate whites really how stupid is that?

I know some Pagans that love Jews so that must mean to me that ALL ODINISTS AND PAGANS LOVE JEWS TO.

If the pagans and odinists can win this war by themselves more power to them, I will step aside and let my betters blaze the way but so far I haven't seen them do squat in the way of a victory.

If you are fighting a war don't fight the man fighting on your side.

Is the enemy of my enemy, my enemy?

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Very true, it would be easier for pagans and Christians to segregate than it would for whites and not whites to segregate.

If we have a white country then we can segregate when the need arises. White Pagans and Christians would self-segregate.
[/QUOTE]

Whites self-segregate anyway. I grew up in a white German Catholic section of a small Ohio town and we DIDN'T DARE go in the white German Lutheran part of town. But when a disaster hit we were all white, that was all that mattered. When the floodtide went back down, we went back to being Catholics and Lutherans again and stayed in our own neighborhoods.

I figure a white America will see lots of Odinist neighborhoods sooner or later anyway. While the Odinists I've met so far seem okay, I'm guessing they would not be a lot different from the Lutherans who guarded their neighborhoods like wolves and painted their houses in autumn instead of spring like normal people.

The names will be a bit different but it'll look about the same as white communities have always looked.

[QUOTE=FranzJoseph]
I figure a white America will see lots of Odinist neighborhoods sooner or later anyway. While the Odinists I've met so far seem okay, I'm guessing they would not be a lot different from the Lutherans who guarded their neighborhoods like wolves and painted their houses in autumn instead of spring like normal people.

The names will be a bit different but it'll look about the same as white communities have always looked.[/QUOTE]

That certainly would be better than the multi-cultural society we now reside in. Whites have the good sense to stay away from where they are not wanted. Where you grew up is very similar to where I live now. Christians against Baptists but when it comes the time it is us against them. I would like to hear more about how that operated, perhaps you could dedicate a post to just that subject.

No. I've turned on christianity because it has turned against me and those I care about.

You have turned against Aryan men who have turned against christianity.
You have effectively become an anti.

At what point did I say I turned against Aryan Men in any capacity? I am not stupid though if an Aryan decided he was going to kill me I would defend my self albeit it reluctantly. Anti what? Anti Semitic maybe.

It is a religion of the fearful and of those who pity.

It is a religion tailor made for those who require pity - the poor, the exiled, the persecuted, the refugee and therefore cannot be other than an egalitarian cult best suited to an overall philosophy of social marxism.

The only thing I fear for is the future of the white race. I work and am very productive why would I require pity from anybody? I am German so therefore I am not in need of pity; because I have no excuses I have the Genes and willpower to bring myself out of any situation and if not then it is simply of my own doing and why would I require pity? Besides I am not the one that whines, I state what they have done and effective ways of overcoming their Jewish ways. Have I in any of my posts stated ways of fighting the Jews that would not be effective in at least some capacity? I don't nor have I ever asked for any pity nor do I pity Aryans that see thier country going down the toilet and do nothing about it.


Spell Check is your friend

[QUOTE=OkieWonMuskogee]Both groups are consumed by something largely irrelevant to our genetic survival. So both groups are largely irrelevant to our survival. :p If the shoe fits...[/QUOTE]

Thats what I was trying to say to JP with my blah,blah,blah post
though I readly admit yours was better to the point

Great post ,short and to the point Oi!

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Now to the paganists who so dearly claim that it is those weak willed Christians that give the Jews so much power and is their backbone (which to an extent is true). [/QUOTE]

To a large extent:

It is impossible to hold the line because we get no support from the Protestant elements in the country. All we get is a battering from the Jews.

John Foster Dulles

[QUOTE=Jarl][color=royalblue] .[/color]

[color=navy]Looks like it was over a damn long time ago! And it looks like nothing has changed![/color]

[color=navy]Looks like it was over about 1200+/- years ago when Charlemange (Karl the Saxon Butcher) murdered 4,500 of the most Noble Saxon Chieftains in one day because they did not want to be Christians.[/color]

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Well I didn't know Karl but since you do if you see him tell him not to come near me. Pointless history over a thousand years ago by who knows who for who knows what. Did the thought ever occur that pagans tried to kill him? So this one person quote "murdered 4,500 of the most Noble Saxon Chieftains in one day" we should get rid of the pagans then if they are that weak, they will do nothing more than stand in the way of true warriors (Christians that wipe pagans from the face of the planet according to history).

I am glad I am a Christian and my heritage comes from fighters rather than pagans that get the daylights beaten out of them everytime they cross a Christians path.

You started out half nice... Considering your race is important, wouldn't your time be better spent on internecine warfare with other groups claiming the christian banner? Race-mixing, bantu importing, fag marrying bunch hiding under your skirt. Police your ranks or get ridiculed.

Why not do what the Medieval Kings did and turn a foreign, non-existent God into a national god of sorts? That is to say, why don't WN Christians - and even atheists - use the cross and bible to justify political goals? Not even like 'White supremacist' churches, but normal, everyday denomenations; AE's mentioned the fact that the bible can justify just about anything, and he's right.
Far more productive than pretending that we can destroy Christianity overnight.

[QUOTE=Jarl]JPS,

Say it again and again and again!




The Leaders of both Protestant and Catholic Churches Worldwide make their "declaration on race" (and their allegiance to the Jews) known to all.

It is no big secret!

It may not be what we want to hear but we better HEAR IT with clear ears!

It affects how tens of millions of Christians (and Governments they support) ACT!

(and their actions will not be at all in the interest of the white race!)



Try a google search and you will find thousands. Or visit these posts for just a very small taste.

Exodus Refugee / Immigration Inc.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5441&page=1&pp=10

Immigration and Refugee Evangelical Ministries
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5441&page=1&pp=10
Effectivly Fighting Racism in the REAL WORLD
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5177&page=1&pp=10
Being Pro-White Is 'Spitting in God's Face'
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5530&page=1&pp=10
Unlimited Immigration: An Aboslute Right !
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5466&page=1&pp=10
The Pope and High Catholic Officals Celebrate 100th Anniversary of
Jewish Temple!
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5702&page=1&pp=10
Moving In To Your Town Soon.
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5624&page=1&pp=10
May God bless America!... May God bless Israel!
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5537&page=1&pp=10
Promoting Interracial Marriages!
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=6032
Bush White House Losing "War" vs. Enemies of God
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5856[/QUOTE]

I am neither catholic not protestant, perhaps I didn’t make that clear (or made a misunderstanding about it if so then that was to my bad). The people that teach that filth (I don’t see how people that teach that garbage can claim to be a part of any kind of religion) anger me just as bad as they do you. But to lump me into a group with people like that is simply wrong. There is nothing in the bible when you understand proper hermeneutics that teaches anything that ever resembles what you have shown in the above mentioned links.

[QUOTE=Jarl]Hey doc,

Now, Why in the world would you think that we are talking about you?

We weren't talking about you at all.


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Oh, my bad. But just so you know those guys that turn on their race for any cause religion or otherwise I have as a strong or even stronger of a disliking than even odinists ect. I cannot imagine a religion that would ask someone to deny their own race.

[QUOTE=Jarl][color=blue]doc,[/color]

[color=blue]It is known to everyone (hundreds of millions) by the name of Christianity. Some few call it False Christianity ™.[/color]

[color=blue]Check out the links below and open your eyes to what's going on in the world of organised Christianity![/color]

[/QUOTE]

Actually I read those links long before they were posted the first time so this is nothing new to me. Did you read the post where I said what I think of those people? Also I have nothing nor do any of the congregations I attend have anything to do with those in the links. This is similar to saying that since the majority of whites are lemmings therefore all whites must be lemmings. White Aryans that are proud of their heritage are rare, just as there are many claiming to be Christian and despise their heritage are many. That does not mean I HAVE TO BELIEVE WHAT THE MASSES BELIEVE.

There are lemmings in Christianity just the same as there are in paganism, odinism and white Aryans.

I never deny there are those that claim to be Christians and then hate their own race.

I think you are not thoroughly reading the posts in this thread though, the entire point is that a Christian can be a productive Aryan that does good things for his or her race.

My question is: do you deny a Christian can be a productive and trustworthy WN?
No history or links or quotes from "false Christians" just a simple yes or no. That was what I originally wanted to find out when I started this thread.

[QUOTE=Vlad]My own take on this whole thing is simple.

Would a WN be faithful to a government that is killing his race?

How about being friendly with a different race that is killing white people off?

Why is it then okay to remain faithful and friendly to a religion that kills white people?

How about loyalty to the anti-warrior, anti-nature, elevate the weak, cripple the capable philosophy of such a religion?[/QUOTE]


I pretty much sum it up like this: Our race is our nation no matter which country we live in. Our race is our religion no matter what church we go to or which god(s) we worship.