Is asatro really a Jew plot? what's that crap about "god of love" boo-hoo "gentle baldur" coming back from the dead? and a thor's six legged goat? that sounds like a bunch of jewish fairy tails! damn goatherds.

and the race mixing shit... who are the VANIR anyways? Some kind of greasy Meds? Dirtying up the pristine Whiteness of the ASA?

How about that race-traitor one eyed Odin, swearing the half-breed giant Loki as a brother? and keeping him around when he knew he would bring about the end?

What kind of looney would waste any time reading that crap eh? plus the sagas were "transcribed" by Christian monks from Iceland-- a plot!

more proof: here's "heathans against Hate!" Jewplot! religious fanatics!

http://www.freyasfolk.org/who.htm

Signed, Dr Loki

Is this rant tongue-in-cheek? I can't tell anymore.

I don't think Asatro is a jew-plot except the Universalist faction that is inclusive of "all who are called by the gods" and such claptrap.


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The Catholic church has been accused of taking normal human behavior and making it a sin. But this is exactly what ZOG and it's minions are doing with anti -Hate crap. Hate and love are both irrational and NORMAL. You would be highly abnormal if you never felt either of these. I believe many pagan gods were called 'The Avenger' or some such, because their job was to hunt down evil doers and avenge injustice done to their mothers (for example). They accomplished this with a big fat sword. Hatred and jealousy usually come from some injustice having been done, and vengeance is what drives people to have justice served. Of course, ZOG doesn't want you to feel anything like that.

Is this rant tongue-in-cheek? I can't tell anymore.

I don't think Asatro is a jew-plot except the Universalist faction that is inclusive of "all who are called by the gods" and such claptrap.

Keystone

The same thing that explains this for Christians explains it for pagans. There is a "universalist" element to any religion even one that is indigenous or animist. That is the nature of religion as such and it may be manipulated by clever people trying to pry open the religious organization to aliens etc. The phenomenon repeats itself.

Even if every jew were gone we'd still have social parasitism. So it behooves us to look and understand the nature of tribal competition and not just our particular situation at this time. In the future our situation will be different and our grandchildren will face other challenges. The meta-analysis of tribal competition is something that we can pass on to them for them to use no matter what the particulars.

As for the particulars of my satirical comment, what of them? I find the Norse stories meaningful as I do Christian ones. I dont worry too much about the purity of the mythic origins.

Any outfit that's gone public is probably tainted. Christian, pagan, whatever.

Locally we got a Primitive Baptist just out in the sticks. They think anyone from the big cities are children of satan. I trust them 110%. The only local heathen group of any size follows an English tradition I'm not real familiar with. They're insular too. They grow their own... uh, ritual herbs. Like the Baptists, they think of outsiders as a plague. I trust them 110% too.

There's an old but good rule of thumb: If it comes from over the horizon or advertises on TV, it's been co-opted, it's been bought off. If it's local and keeps outsiders at arms length, it's probably okay.

The "neopaganism" you get from the bookshops is all corrupt, does everybody know why?

Gardner started "wiccanism" (or whatever it's called) after serving the British Empire in the far east for decades. Too much of neopaganism has a whiff of Malay about it, which is how come the real ones have gone back to the original texts (Eddas, Pyramid Texts, and so on) to see what's really there. It's nothing like wicca, obviously. But if you paid attention in math class as a kid, it seems familiar. A decade ago it became obvious why.

Years after wicca and all the other baloney groups hung out their shingles, the physicist Paul LaViolette came out with Genesis of the Cosmos: The Ancient Science of Continuous Creation. In it he finally demonstrates in plain English what Isaac Newton had deducted centuries ago: That the ancient pagan "religions" were actually science. Dr LaViolette even demonstrates how simple things like Tarot cards originally encoded pretty advanced scientific principles.

So since LaViolette dropped the Big One in 1995, it's been a question of which of the neopagan groups have adopted the scientific framework he proves was there at the beginning. The results have not been especially good in America, but European groups appear to be savvy about their real heritage.

What's interesting to observe here is that most of the ancient science paganism is percolating in local groups and off-line. That should encourage people who make the distinction between what the Internet can do -- pass information along real well -- and what it can't do; in this case, create real communities.

Any outfit that's gone public is probably tainted. Christian, pagan, whatever.

Locally we got a Primitive Baptist just out in the sticks. They think anyone from the big cities are children of satan. I trust them 110%. The only local heathen group of any size follows an English tradition I'm not real familiar with. They're insular too. They grow their own... uh, ritual herbs. Like the Baptists, they think of outsiders as a plague. I trust them 110% too.

There's an old but good rule of thumb: If it comes from over the horizon or advertises on TV, it's been co-opted, it's been bought off. If it's local and keeps outsiders at arms length, it's probably okay.

The "neopaganism" you get from the bookshops is all corrupt, does everybody know why?

Gardner started "wiccanism" (or whatever it's called) after serving the British Empire in the far east for decades. Too much of neopaganism has a whiff of Malay about it, which is how come the real ones have gone back to the original texts (Eddas, Pyramid Texts, and so on) to see what's really there. It's nothing like wicca, obviously. But if you paid attention in math class as a kid, it seems familiar. A decade ago it became obvious why.

Years after wicca and all the other baloney groups hung out their shingles, the physicist Paul LaViolette came out with Genesis of the Cosmos: The Ancient Science of Continuous Creation. In it he finally demonstrates in plain English what Isaac Newton had deducted centuries ago: That the ancient pagan "religions" were actually science. Dr LaViolette even demonstrates how simple things like Tarot cards originally encoded pretty advanced scientific principles.

So since LaViolette dropped the Big One in 1995, it's been a question of which of the neopagan groups have adopted the scientific framework he proves was there at the beginning. The results have not been especially good in America, but European groups appear to be savvy about their real heritage.

What's interesting to observe here is that most of the ancient science paganism is percolating in local groups and off-line. That should encourage people who make the distinction between what the Internet can do -- pass information along real well -- and what it can't do; in this case, create real communities.

Moses and Monotheism
This is the last book written by Freud. Moses and Monotheism was published in totum in 1939, the year Freud died in London, where he got residence along with his family to escape the Nazi persecution against Jews in Austria, where he thought he was safe.

The hypotheses raised in the book are polemical, and this seems to be a kind of a Freudian trademark, and they are nothing less than:

1- Moses was in fact Egyptian and worked as a general in the staff of the Egyptian pharaoh Ikhenaton, who urged the untill then polytheists Egyptians to adore Aton as only God and to adopt monotheism. When the pharaoh died, Moses tried to convince the Jews working at the northeast region of Egypt that they were the chosen people and to follow him. Many of the theories present in this book are in fact development of a hypothesis already raised by Freud in his earlier book "Totem and Taboo" and represents a serious attempt at demolishing the foundations of both the Mosaic religion as Christianity. The idea is that a band of brothers opressed by the father in fact killed him, and out of a guilty feeling payed tribute to him in a series of disguised primitive rituals to honor him in group.

2 - The circuncisiom was already practise at Egypt and was not something invented by Jeovah as a sign of the alliance (covenant)between Him and the Jewish people. Also, in Freud's hypothesis, Jeovah was a demi-god of the Volcanoes and many of his later carachteristics were later adoptions of Egyptian religious tendencies by means of the Levites, who, again in Freud's view, were not the son of Levi (one of the ten tribes of Israel) but rather were also of Egyptian origin and followers of Moses, who in fact was killed by the Egyptian jews, etc...

Freud seems to have been surpassed by later writers like Ahmed Osman and Jan Assman. Assman's comment was interesting, "Moses is a figure of legend but not of history, whereas Akhenaten is a figure of history but not of legend."

I have no idea whether the main point is true or not, Hebrews do not appear in history till many centuries after this curious pharaoh. If the theory is even part true, it would explain why Levite priests had names derived from Egyptian, which is otherwise one of history's odder little jokes.

I for one think the Hebrew tribe got their "monotheist" idea from Akenaton's solar religion.

Savitri Devi wrote a famous book on Akenaton which Nicholas Goodrich Clark talks about at length in his book on her, "Hitler's Priestess." However that book is not in print and is pretty rare. I dont have a copy and if anybody knows of one for sale, I'd like to buy it.

Spiritual ideas have cross-ethnic relevance and appeal. I suggest we worry less about where the ideas originated and devote more effort to considering how we can employ them to the benefit of our folk.

The same thing that explains this for Christians explains it for pagans. There is a "universalist" element to any religion even one that is indigenous or animist.

Christianity has its Bible where universalism is forever written in stone, unchangeable, just waiting to burst out. Along with gems such as "The meek shall inherit the earth," "If a man wants your shirt you should give him not only your shirt but your coat as well," "Turn the other cheek," "You shall not kill," and stuff about how the rich won't go to heaven. Not to mention the focus on SIN all the time, so much so that even the symbol of Christianity is the cross where Jesus died for our sins, a clear indication that we are all supposed to swear loyalty to this religion out of shame for having caused Jesus to be tortured and killed.

And Christianity was for export: Asatro never was. Anyone ever hear of Viking crusades to the south? Of missionaries to non-White countries? Of forcing conquered villages to swear loyalty to the Asa gods? Of course not. It was a religion for the men of the North, which is very clear in the stories; it's always the Germanic tribes of the North who have to fight the final battle against the giants of the south.

Is asatro really a Jew plot? what's that crap about "god of love" boo-hoo "gentle baldur" coming back from the dead? and a thor's six legged goat? that sounds like a bunch of jewish fairy tails! damn goatherds.

Stay off the booze. Anyway, Balder was the most good of the gods, but aside from that he wasn't very prominent. By far the most prominent god is Tor, god of thunder and strength and courage and battle. Next to him comes his father Oden, king of the gods and god of wisdom and death and nobility and war. So anyone who makes a big deal out of Balder.... *shrugs* Balder doesn't advocate universalism, so what's your point?

Tor's six-legged goat? He had two goats that pulled his wagon, Tandgniostr and Tandgrisner, but they had four legs each. Oden on the other hand had a horse with eight legs, which meant it could keep running forever as four legs could always rest while the other four were working.


and the race mixing shit... who are the VANIR anyways? Some kind of greasy Meds? Dirtying up the pristine Whiteness of the ASA?

And stay off the pipe too. Anyway, the vana gods were the gods of nature. There was a war between the asa and the vana gods, or vanadin or vanir, and they lost, and had to build Valhall because of it, and leave Frej and Freja, the twin children of the sea god Njord or Ägir, hostage in Valhall. In time everyone forgot they were hostages and the vanadin and asa gods were friends again.

Frej and Freja are portrayed as blond and very beautiful. Freja, goddess of love and women and marriage, was the most beautiful woman who ever existed, completely Aryan. Her hair shone like the sun, just like the cats that pulled her carriage. (Which is why sun reflexes are called solkatter, sun cats, in Swedish.)

Among the other Vanadin was for example Skade, goddess of skiing and hunt, who could usually be found skiing in the mountains, hunting with a bow and arrows and surrounded by a pack of wolves. Not particularly Romanic, no.


How about that race-traitor one eyed Odin, swearing the half-breed giant Loki as a brother? and keeping him around when he knew he would bring about the end?

Oden was not a race traitor. He never advocated the mixing with other races in the name of religion. His wife was White and so were their children. On the day of Ragnarök he will lead the gods in battle against the giants invading from the south.

Loke was not a half-breed; he was one hundred percent giant. Oden made him his adopted brother as the two of them plus Tor often went on adventures together, and Loke was a funny and clever travel partner. Where's the race mixing? The gods enjoyed the company of one single giant, but did not allow the giants to run rampant among the mortals, but in fact fought them constantly. That is a tribalist message if there ever was one.


What kind of looney would waste any time reading that crap eh? plus the sagas were "transcribed" by Christian monks from Iceland-- a plot!

What does it matter that some Christian monks wrote down some Icelandic sagas? I wonder. Cuddos to them for doing at least one useful thing in their lives. And besides that, what they wrote down were Icelandic sagas, not all the sagas in the North. Plenty of material in Germany and Scandinavia aside from the Icelandic part. There was even an Asatro revolt once, some time after the Middle Ages; imagine that. They didn't get their inspiration from reading Icelandic books.

hey great response Fred. I was waiting for someone who actually know something to pick apart my errors. it was two goats but the six legged horse was Odin's horse "Sleipnir" no?

Religious themes always lend themselves to the universal. Heroism and duty and love of family and place and courage and hope and despair and redemption. Those are all universal in the sense that many folk of many different tribes and nations and even races can appreciate mythic stories which illustrate and explore those emotive themes. Wagner made the Germanic stories into musical dramas that are enjoyed the world over. That does not discredit the originators of the myths or suggest they intended to be universalist. Neither does the origin of the Christian stories matter so much nor does their universal appeal do much to discredit them.

Sin and shame and guilt may just be Germanic things. Dark, spooky, brooding, waiting for the inevitable Ragnarok.... Or maybe just a Protestant thing. Justification only by faith, where the faith is seemingly irrational-- that's enough to make anybody feel like crap. Must have been a German that thought that up, they seem big on feeling guilty even to this day. But what of the Southernors? Roman Catholic Italians are famous for not feeling guilty. Right? Remember the Godfather part 2 when Michael liquidates all his enemies during his child's baptism? I found that scene inspiring, a sort of Nietzchean "Yea saying!" or affirmation of life...

Well anyhow I was waiting around for your response because I knew it would be worth reading and discussing. I bid you goodnight and look forward to visiting with you here again.

Good night to you as well. Yes, Sleipner was the name of the horse, which allowed noone but the king of the gods to ride it, though Loke tried once and was kicked out of the stable.

I'd say sin and shame and guilt are central Jewish themes -- lots of handwringing around those fellows. The stories about the asa gods are not at all dark and spooky, no matter what Wagner may have written. Stories about the asa gods resound with Tor's harsh laughter as he bashes in another giant skull. And it is never mentioned that people contemplate Ragnarök, even though they know it is coming. Nothing like "Repent, for the end is near!" No, never is anyone asked to contemplate his sins in the stories, though many are punished for their deeds, so guilt is not a central theme at all.

Southerners adapted Christianity somewhat to their own character, just like Germanics and Slavs adapted it somewhat to theirs. I'd say that was pretty much inevitable. However, the central theme that is symbolized by the cross is always there, and follows you wherever you bring the Bible.

I don't know if the Roman Catholics are famous for not feeling guilty. After all, they invented the confession booth.

Christianity has its Bible where universalism is forever written in stone, unchangeable, just waiting to burst out. Along with gems such as "The meek shall inherit the earth," "If a man wants your shirt you should give him not only your shirt but your coat as well," "Turn the other cheek," "You shall not kill," and stuff about how the rich won't go to heaven. Not to mention the focus on SIN all the time, so much so that even the symbol of Christianity is the cross where Jesus died for our sins, a clear indication that we are all supposed to swear loyalty to this religion out of shame for having caused Jesus to be tortured and killed.

It is very difficult to get accurate information on Islam in English, but from what I gather, it is arguably as universalist as Christianity and has elements of the slave mentality (the word "Islam" means submission), but does not completely destroy man's natural tribalistic and warrior tendencies as Chtistianity has.

Yes, Hitler said he wished Europe had a "warrior religion" like Islam. I know some about it, and there's not much focus on sin; I don't think a Muslim writer would start a text with "Oh Lord, forgive this poor sinner" or something like that. Submission: they submit to the one god, abandoning polytheism. The conflict with polytheism can be seen in the things they repeat so often, like "There is no God but God, and Muhammad is his prophet." (La ilaha il'Alla, wa Muhammadan rasul'Alla) Obsolete today, of course, to repeat that there is only one god, but old habits die hard it seems.