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GEORGE WASHINGTON: They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America. (From The Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.)

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.

In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.

Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention. (This statement was recorded in the diary of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina. )

THOMAS JEFFERSON: Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in. (From 'THE AMERICANS' by D. Boorstin)

well that about some it up.

The fraudulent nature of Franklin's Prophecy -- and the fact that anti-Semitism was foreign to Franklin’s behavior — has been substantially documented by eminent historians. The late Charles A. Beard reported, "I cannot find a single original source that gives the slightest justification for believing that the Prophecy is anything more than a barefaced forgery. Not a word have I discovered in Franklin’s letters and papers expressing any such sentiments against the Jews as are ascribed to him by the Nazis — American and German. His well-known liberality in matters of religious opinion would, in fact, have precluded the kind of utterances put in his mouth by this palpable forgery . . . In his writings on immigration, Franklin made no mention of discrimination against Jews."

Beard also noted that "the phraseology of the alleged Prophecy is not that of the 18th century; nor is the language that of Franklin. It contains certain words that belong to contemporary (Nazi) Germany rather than America of Franklin’s period. For example, the word ‘homeland’ was not employed by Jews in Franklin’s time. It was created in connection with the Palestine mandate." Beard also showed "positive evidence" that Franklin held Jews in high regard, citing the instance when the Hebrew Society of Philadelphia sought to raise money for a synagogue in Philadelphia. Franklin signed the petition of appeal for contributions to "citizens of every religious denomination" and gave 5 pounds himself to the fund.

J. Henry Smythe, Jr., compiler of The Amazing Benjamin Franklin, has characterized the Prophecy as "a counterfeit," adding it was a "libel of the Jewish race, unjust both to Jews and to the name and fame of Benjamin Franklin. I have investigated this calumny and find no historical basis." Julian P. Boyd, librarian of the Historical Society of Pennsylvania, made the same evaluation, and John Clyde Oswald of the International Benjamin Franklin Society noted that "the proceedings of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were secret. No official record was kept but a great deal of information has been accumulated and pieced together, giving a fairly good picture of what transpired. Franklin was then 81 years of age and in poor health. He took an active part in the proceedings but made his contributions to the deliberations not orally, but in written memoranda, which he handed to this friend, James Wilson, another member of the Philadelphia delegation, who sat by him and who read them to the Convention. They have been preserved and the collection is believed to be complete..."

The late Carl Van Doren, a biographer of Benjamin Franklin made this report:

The speech against the Jews which Benjamin Franklin is alleged to have made the Constitutional Convention of 1787 is a forgery, produced between 1933 and 1938. The forger, whoever he was, claims that the speech was taken down by Charles Pinckney of South Carolina and preserved in his Journal. The forger presumably knew that, in a letter to John Quincy Adams dated December 30, 1818, Pinckney said he had kept a Journal of the proceedings at the Convention. But this Journal, if it ever existed, has never been found. The forger claims that Pinckney ‘published’ the Journal ‘for private distribution among his friends’ with the title Chit-Chat Around the Table During Intermissions. No copy of any such printed Journal has come to light. Not content with these two claims, the forger has further asserted that the original manuscript of Franklin’s speech, apparently from Pinckney’s Journal, is in the Franklin Institute, Philadelphia. The Franklin Institute does not possess the manuscript.

The forger’s authority for his document is nearly as mythical as could be imagined. He cites a manuscript which does not exist, a printed book or pamphlet which nobody has seen, a Journal which has been lost for more than a hundred years. There is no evidence of the slightest value that Franklin ever made the alleged speech or ever said or thought anything of the kind about the Jews.

In 1790 George Washington sent a letter to the Jewish community in Rhode Island. He wrote that he envisioned a country "which gives bigotry no sanction, persecution no assistance".

When trying to arrange for workmen in 1784 at Mount Vernon, Washington made clear that he would accept "Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists." Washington wrote Lafayette in 1787, "Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception."

The Jefferson quote is authentic. :D

well whomever wrote those quotes I'm reminded of what henry ford said of the infamous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." words to the effect that I dont know who wrote it but I ask, is it happening? eskaton can use his scholarly skills to track down the exact quote for us- thanks in advance!

PS I'll bet washington was very fair with all his slaves. LOL

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GEORGE WASHINGTON: They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America. (From The Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.)

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.

In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.

Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention. (This statement was recorded in the diary of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina. )

THOMAS JEFFERSON: Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in. (From 'THE AMERICANS' by D. Boorstin)[/QUOTE]


http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html


The above link is to what really was said by Washington. AND the B. Franklin statements are a forgery. Depends on what source you believe, correct? You will undoubtedly choose to believe your biased sources. Our founding fathers were NOT anti-Semitic. In fact Jews played large part in colonial times.

AMERICA IS COLONIZED

JEWS AMONG SETTLERS
17th and 18th Centuries C.E.

To sail Columbus had to understand
The charts by Abraham Zacuto's hand;
Jews were on board when Columbus saw land.

In New Amsterdam the first Jews to arrive,
Had to fight Stuyvesant to stay alive;
Professing Jews, they struggled to survive.

Slowly the Jewish community grew
In seventeen thirty a charter came through
For the first synagogue-long overdue.

Jews among fighters who broke the English tie;
Those who could, gave wealth; some were to die.
Independence from Britain they helped pry.

To assist the States in their freedom war,
Haym Salomon, the patriot, bore
The financial burden of many a corps.

The Old Testament-a force to impel
The colonists their tyrants to expel.
Words from Scripture on the Liberty Bell.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution
In the Hebrew Bible found the solution
How to build a liberal institution.

wow, only at VNN huh? that was quite a little ditty, Retard. is that a synagogue song? "Haym Salomon, the patriot, bore/ The financial burden of many a corps" INDEED the moneylender, the warmonger at work again! No doubt they relished the thought of again making usury on European war. Was it not Menasseh Ben Israel who loaned money to Cromwell for his regicide and lunatic utopian social reform, so as to gain the Jews re-entry into England?

So that part I can believe. As for the jews dying as soldiers, well, we know how rare that is! LOL Even today the Jews in the US armed forces are a puny miniscule number and mostly confined to REMF status. Though I guess we have found from Abu Ghraib they are good at torture no?

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The money changers in George Washington's time were more often than not jewish and most everyone hated these people not just George Washington. Jews have often been detested throughout history and today only in the U.S are jews popular still because you own Hollywood and all th rest.
You also say "our" founding fathers, the nerve of you jews, you're founding fathers are menachim begin and ariel sharon, our founding fathers must be gassing themselves in their coffins over what you jewish monsters have done to their country.

[QUOTE=eskaton]In 1790 George Washington sent a letter to the Jewish community in Rhode Island. He wrote that he envisioned a country "which gives bigotry no sanction, persecution no assistance".

When trying to arrange for workmen in 1784 at Mount Vernon, Washington made clear that he would accept "Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists." Washington wrote Lafayette in 1787, "Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception."[/QUOTE]

All this says to me is that George Washington, although the first president lacked a full understanding of the jews and the dangers of allowing them into the empire, because if he knew anything he would have sanctioned and assisted the persecution of all jews.This is Indicitive of ignorant gullible Americans, why are you attempting to use the quotes of dead Presidents to justify your existance and life here, jews are not our friends why would Israel attack the USS Liberty if we are allies?

[QUOTE=Bleach]All this says to me is that George Washington, although the first president lacked a full understanding of the jews and the dangers of allowing them into the empire, because if he knew anything he would have sanctioned and assisted the persecution of all jews.This is Indicitive of ignorant gullible Americans[/QUOTE]

Calling George Washington ignorant and gullible - how patriotic can you get!

[QUOTE=Bleach]why are you attempting to use the quotes of dead Presidents to justify your existance and life here[/QUOTE]

Nobody needs to "justify" their life. All life is inherently valuable. Besides, this doesnt relate to me personally, since I'm not Jewish. Though, as a sidenote, whenever I get crap for my ancestry, it's usually from Nordic types. Not that I'm complaining...the Greeks have much to answer for, what with the whole gay thing and all. ;)

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jews are not our friends why would Israel attack the USS Liberty if we are allies?[/QUOTE]

What do you want me to say? That Jews go around destroying things for no tactical reason? They're cleverer than that and you know it.

[QUOTE=eskaton].......... All life is inherently valuable. .......[/QUOTE]

Are you Buddhist or something? What about such disgusting things as cockroaches, rodents, and jews? LOL

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Are you Buddhist or something? What about such disgusting things as cockroaches, rodents, and jews? LOL[/QUOTE]

I believe in due process in matters of life and death. Life isn't something to be toyed around with lightly. A jew embezzles a million dollars? Gas him - as soon as he's found guilty, not a moment before.

As for rodents, they're a personal preference. I used to breed hamsters, but not for any sinister Richard Gere-esque purpose. :D

the Jews didnt show much due process in 1949 when they threw 700,000 palestinians out of there homes with no compensation did they?

Who cares if they're forgeries or if the jew apologists rant that they're fake? They're still highly accurate and if we can cite the founding fathers as rabid anti-Semites well aware of the jewish question, more power to us and more honor to them, says I.

The jews can't argue about their 80 some odd national mass evictions from nearly every country in Europe nor can 1.2 billion Muslims who hate their guts be debated. If three prominent early Americans wanted to ban the vermin from entering, they can hardly be slighted for being of like minds with hundreds of European rulers who kicked them out. So fuck you jew.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]the Jews didnt show much due process in 1949 when they threw 700,000 palestinians out of there homes with no compensation did they?[/QUOTE]

Of course not, but we, as Whites, are more civilized than that.

[QUOTE=eskaton]Of course not, but we, as Whites, are more civilized than that.[/QUOTE]

The jews were wire pullers, then, now, in England and ever since the empires of Egypt and Persia. Everything that happened in America should be looked at through that lens.

There has never been one law opressing jews in America, even though plenty of Christian Americans didn't want them around. There have been laws against Catholics and blacks. This shows the Jews had plenty of power from the start.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]There has never been one law opressing jews in America, even though plenty of Christian Americans didn't want them around. There have been laws against Catholics and blacks. This shows the Jews had plenty of power from the start.[/QUOTE]

Well then maybe America really *is* a Judeo-Christian country.