I believe 9/11 was done by Mossad. If you disagree feel free to post here. That means you, blackass.

Jews did it, that's for damn sure.

Easy logic:

-Jews run our country/gov't
-911 was obviously staged (buildings blown up) e.g.: WTC7
-Only people who could have staged it are those in high positions of gov't, not to mention those who owned/operated the WTC complex (Silverstein and his kike buddies).

The Islamic Resistance did it. Jews and their collaborators knew of it and had a hand in it (setting explosives in building 7 and maybe the towers).

Logic dictates that jew did 911, for many reasons.
More than the Mossad were involved however, I think.
This took a coordinated effort on all jews'/kahnz'/kwanz' part. And yes, many of each category were involved here.

All one really needs to put 911 together is some critical and logical thought.

Here are just a few of jew's motives for murdering 3000 or so unsuspecting, innocent and trusting White people that day, aside from their usual hatred of us that is, just off the top of my head:

1) 911 represented the next pearl harbor that G. War Bush and his jew henchmen were desperately seeking. The false pretext of terrorism allowed him to invade Iraq, albeit against popular opinion. Mission Accomplished. War for jew engaged.

2) Lucky Larry Silverstein had bought himself a real turd from the NYPA, as he soon discovered when he became landlord of the WTC complex.
It was a white elephant, hideously expensive to maintain, loaded with asbestos and three decades old.
Clean up or demolition were equally expensive. Better to simply insure against acts of terrorism (triple indemnity btw). Correct me if I'm wrong but Silverstein made billions upon impact...

3) Fear mongering is only used when a tyrant wishes to sieze power. No event could have generated more fear than 911. Once a good healthy dose of fear of the ragheads was instilled, it would be easy to begin to remove rights from a terrified nation,in exchange for the promise of increased security for all.
I'm sorry, I haven't been keeping up with jews'media. Is it still legal for me to say things like that, or will G. War declare me an 'unlawful enemy combatant'?
How's security along that southern border these days btw?

4) Rudy Jew-lie-ani. That pretty much says it all. He was to be the self styled hero of 911, possibly the next s-elected prez. The media were blow-jobbing him incessantly, whilst he stood atop a mountain of rubble and looked distraught. It is more likely he actually sat in bldg 7, and presided over the event, whilst the millions in gold stored there was transported out of the sub-basements. Many sensitive and embarrassing financial and government documents and records were also stored in bldg.7. It was completely destroyed along with both towers. Reduced to powder in less than ten seconds. The records and documents are lost.


It's like the inverse of the holy-cost. Where there were in reality never any jews holy-costed in Germany or anywhere else and so no jews were involved, with 911 so much evidence points to so much jew involvement, that to suggest anything otherwise would be akin to actually embracing the lunacy of the Second Biggest Lie of All Time, and going on a tour through one of itz museums.

Heads will roll...

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High ranking jews in the US government along with Mossad/CIA and their sayanim and shabbas goy did it.

I believe Mossad as well as U.S. government agents, in the very least knew what was going to happen and did nothing because the results would be beneficial to them. I also believe there is a possibility that it goes beyond merely knowing and may even involve a few of these agents being directly involved in the planning( made possibly by them infiltrating the "terrorist" cells). I do not believe it was a false flag attack and do believe, in the end, arab muslims were the ones to get their hands dirty, so to speak.

I believe Mossad as well as U.S. government agents, in the very least knew what was going to happen and did nothing because the results would be beneficial to them. I also believe there is a possibility that it goes beyond merely knowing and may even involve a few of these agents being directly involved in the planning( made possibly by them infiltrating the "terrorist" cells). I do not believe it was a false flag attack and do believe, in the end, arab muslims were the ones to get their hands dirty, so to speak.
Wake up and smell the coffee would ya? Let's assume thet 'they' knew about it. Well it would still be a wildcard, and when you concoct a plot like 911, they will not leave anything to chance. Too many things can happen if you expect pimply faced araabes to do the job on their own. NO, they have to control it and make sure it happens, using remote controls. And they have to destry evidence by blowing the building up. This goes way way way beyond LIHOP, or standing by and hoping the araabes do the job right.

It's Blackthorne, not blackass, it's not that hard now is it, Celtic Patriot?

Anyway, I can't say I believe that, it's speculative conjecture at best as far as available evidence goes. It's not surprizing that one would believe Mossad had prior knowledge of such plans, since they pretty much seem to know everything that's going on.

It's the same memo with the prior-knowledge thingy concerning the US Government I suppose.
Naturally the US Government, from a variety of intelligence sources, reports etc, recieve threats and information about possible terrorist activity and plans every day throughout the year 24/7.

But was the information enough for an interception? Did the Government simply dropped the ball on obvious enough information, or was it too inconclusive and too late, or did they purposely turn a blind-eye to very specific information that could have caused and interception of the hijackers?
This is what I ment with it leading to speculation and scattered conjectures.
It quickly becomes a conspiratorial patch-work, not bound together by evidence but by alleged anomolies, rumours and guessing.

To establish a link between Mossad, CIA, FBI and prior knowledge of the actual hijackers and the actual plans is prone to cause wild speculations, chasing after rainbows and virtually impossible to establish from any bits of known information.
To establish such a link, we would first have see that the Mossad, CIA and or FBI had enough information on the specific terrorists and their plans, to intercept the actual hijackers before they could have acted on their plans.

If they didn't have enough information to intercept them, then the issue is a non-sequitor, which I think it is basically.
Because if the US Government were to close down airlines over the country or parts of it, airports due to every threat as so, me thinks that they would more or less have to be shut down for most parts of the year. I doubt there's a shortage on threats and warnings about terrorist activity, nor plans thereof.

A further comparison necessary for people eager to connect Mossad or the US Government with the "prior knowledge" issue as so, would be to find some sort of comparison between the plethora of different threats, warnings etc during the months before 9/11. Studying the nature of each and every element of threat, evaluating the necessities for investigating a particular threat more closely, evaluating the possible ways to circumvent the threat before hand through gathering up enough information to pin-point the dates, targets, suspects etc without causing too much social chaos or disturbance (shutting down airports, grounding planes and so forth due to suspicions based on too inconclusive reports or rumours is generally shunned, this is something I do know about law enforcement and intelligence work.)

The main point is that, if it is to be called an "inside job" by any stretch of ones imagination, there had to have been enough incriminating information and viable leads for the US Government to do an interception on the given hijackers prior to 9/11.
If there wasn't enough leads/information leading up through the terrorist-string to these specific muslims and their specific plans prior to 9/11 then not any branch of the Government can be considered a co-conspirator.

But was the information enough for an interception? Did the Government simply dropped the ball on obvious enough information, or was it too inconclusive and too late, or did they purposely turn a blind-eye to very specific information that could have caused and interception of the hijackers?
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Do you mean like when LBJ recalled the fighter planes headed toward the USS Liberty to try to save some of the American sailors being murdered by the Israelis in 1967?

If they didn't have enough information to intercept them, then the issue is a non-sequitor, which I think it is basically.
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It is my opinion that the pilots of the planes that attacked the WTC were Israeli Mossad agents who had infiltrated the terrorist group, because several of the Arabs said to have died in the assault are still alive in the M.E.

Studying the nature of each and every element of threat, evaluating the necessities for investigating a particular threat more closely, evaluating the possible ways to circumvent the threat before hand through gathering up enough information to pin-point the dates, targets, suspects etc without causing too much social chaos or disturbance (shutting down airports, grounding planes and so forth due to suspicions based on too inconclusive reports or rumours is generally shunned, this is something I do know about law enforcement and intelligence work.)
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Apparently, you haven't researched the whole thing enough to know that there were planes ready to scramble on a moment's notice, but in the end never left the ground, even though there was plenty of time between the first plane hitting the WTC and the others.

The main point is that, if it is to be called an "inside job" by any stretch of ones imagination, there had to have been enough incriminating information and viable leads for the US Government to do an interception on the given hijackers prior to 9/11.
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Not if the government itself were involved in the plans. It is a known fact that the CIA and the Mossad work hand-in-glove with each other discrediting and incriminating Israel's enemies with false-flag operations such as this and the USS Liberty attacks.

The Jews had their own Mossad film crew set up and waiting before the planes(?) hit the two towers. "Dancing Israelis." That's all the proof I need.

I have not researched the USS Liberty case so I am not qualified to comment on it.
Maybe you should research it, since you seem to be so enthralled with all things Jewish and Zionist.

Also, why not use the quote-function, it's provides an easier read imo.
I guess I'm too ignorant.



You mean suicide Mossad agents?
Yes, I do.
Well, the claim concerning "alive hijackers" is an old one and it was simply a namesake mistake since many muslims have the same names, just like we do.
If you will, please read one of my earlier posts on it;
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3913264&postcount=52



I have actually researched it, there was nothing odd on those notes you mention.

For example, with the oft discussed Mineta-Cheney thingy.

We discussed this (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=62417) over at the JREF-forums, here's one of the posts reproduced;

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Sec. Mineta's testimony in this regard is not reliable. Once you tease out the particulars, it's easy to show that his time-line if quite a bit off as illustrated by live media reports presented that day, other official testimony, subsequent statements by the participants of those events and physical evidence presented to the Commission.

For instance. in his testimony to the Commission (http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm), Sec. Mineta relates the time-line of events from his arrival at the White House:


According to the testimony provided above, Sec. Mineta claims the following events occurred between 0920 and 0926:


Sec. Mineta arrives at PEOC:
This is disputed by the USSS alarm log presented the the Commission that shows the time as 0937 (Report pp. 39-40), by Secret Service agents Nelson Garabito,and Terry van Steenburgen who testified to the Commission that the VP had not yet evacuated at 0933 at the time time of the Reagan Nat'l Airport call to the White House Secret Service detail (Report p. 39), by Secret Service agent Rocco Delmonico who testified to the actual timing of the evacuation (Report pp. 39-40) among others.
President Bush departed for Barksdale, AFB:
This is deputed by countless media reports (CNN, USSS shift log of Sept. 11, 2001 ([i]Report p. 39) and by your (Mutton-Head's) own claims (Bush stayed in the classroom reading My Pet Goat until after 0915.)
Pres. Bush and VP Cheney concluded a phone call:
This is disputed by Lynne Cheney's arrival time at the PEOC ("According to contemporaneous notes, at 9:55 the Vice President was still on the phone with the President advising that three planes were missing and one had hit the Pentagon." Report p. 40)
President Bush issued a shoot-down order through VP Cheney:
This is disputed by VP Cheney, the PEOC Shelter Log, White House phone logs, AF-1 phone logs, and Ari Fleisher which place the call around 1010. (Report pp. 40 - 41.)
VP Cheney passed the order to the military:
This is disputed by DoD Transcript for its Air Conference Call which placed the time that the order was disseminated at 1014. (Report p. 42)


[Edit for clarity: Note that I am not claiming these events did not occur - I am claiming that none of them occurred in the 0920-0926 timefarme as Sec. Mineta's testimony asserts.]

Actually, what Sec. Mineta witnessed being tracked is UA93:



The call-outs, the confirmation request... Sound familiar?

You simply cannot have Mineta's testimony a priori and the My Pet Goat story. One of them has to be wrong. Either he sat in the classroom and listened to the children read or he jumped into action and made phone calls.

Which is it?"
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Other comments from the thread;


Another post (not wanting to use up too much space in quoting it)
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...5&postcount=14 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2529785&postcount=14)
Why don't you instruct me on how to work the multi-quote function?

Wake up and smell the coffee would ya? Let's assume thet 'they' knew about it. Well it would still be a wildcard, and when you concoct a plot like 911, they will not leave anything to chance. Too many things can happen if you expect pimply faced araabes to do the job on their own. NO, they have to control it and make sure it happens, using remote controls. And they have to destry evidence by blowing the building up. This goes way way way beyond LIHOP, or standing by and hoping the araabes do the job right.

Did I not say that I believe there was a good possibility that some of them directly involved themselves in the planning to make sure that it went down? I do not believe in the remote control plane theories and all of that. None of these things would be neccessary and overcomplicating things only will lead to more questions and doubts. And the 19 supposed hijackers were not the dregs of their societies.

if there is someone here who does not agree...
they do, they just don't know it yet.

NO NO AND NO

9-11 was done by islamic radicals.
They do exist.
Not everything is a jewish conspiracy

I dont know anything about thermite or the temperature steel melts at but I cannot believe that 9-11 was an inside job or some zionist conspiracy
oh and btw, contrary to rumors circulated by conspiracy theory whackos, quite a few jews did die on 9-11.

I do think it probably would not have happened if not for the usa's support of Israel, but that is another matter altogether.

NO NO AND NO

9-11 was done by islamic radicals.
They do exist.
Not everything is a jewish conspiracy

I dont know anything about thermite or the temperature steel melts at but I cannot believe that 9-11 was an inside job or some zionist conspiracy
oh and btw, contrary to rumors circulated by conspiracy theory whackos, quite a few jews did die on 9-11.

I do think it probably would not have happened if not for the usa's support of Israel, but that is another matter altogether.
Except only half of all the workers showed up that day.

Except only half of all the workers showed up that day.

that is a myth

Except only half of all the workers showed up that day.

and surprise: the anti-neocon-Jews' telephones were not ringing that day.

that is a myth

How do you suppose the media pundits tallied up 5000-6000 then? Through magic?

They simply assumed that the trade center was at normal capacity. Which by the way is a perfectly reasonable assumption had it really been sudden.

It was voting day and the first day of public school. So many workers would have been late for work that day. That is why the event was planned for that day. Arabs living in caves wouldn't know any of this. Silverstein would. It's estimated that the WTC was only 60% of its normal occupancy for that time of the day. This way many Jews' lives were saved. Also Silverstein could have organized to have non-Jewish tenants occupying the floors that were going to be hit by the plane and the floors above it. As it turns out WTC 2 plane-level floors were occupied by a Japanese financial company (good for getting the Japs involved in the War on Terror, eh?) and I believe it was similar for WTC 1 (non-Jewish company). I would say the rough breakdown of the ethnicity of the workers working at the WTC would be 75% Jewish, this is not counting the auxiliary staff: waiters, janitors etc. I think only 15% of the people killed were Jewish. And we should also take into account that many Jews were on the planes and there were a few Jewish fire fighters. Silverstein wouldn't have risked alienating important Jews by killing Jews working for their companies. I am sure he made arrangements that these important Jews' companies were somehow looked after - placed on 'safe' floors etc.

Of course he couldn't aim for a zero% Jewish casualty; that would have been picked up right away. Plus it wouldn't motivate the Jewish community to get on board with attacking Arabs if no Jewish blood had been sacrificed.

Where is your proof for this 75% figure?

where is your proof that no jews died on 9-11

I've never claimed that no jews died on 9/11, I happen to know very well that jews did die during that particular event, as a lot of other people did.

Why ask me that?

So mossad is killing jews now then?
WOuldnt surprise me.
I read perfidy
I still think it was perpetrated by the al quaeda tho

What the heck is up with your seriously skewed reading comprehension?!?

Get coherent or do not address me again, please.

I've not stated that Mossad was the perp in this drama have I? No, you don't read "perfidy"?

then my post was not directed toward you but most likely toward the OP
my appologies

No, that is not correct as far as I've been able to establish. Please give me your proof if you will?
I am supposed to believe that some Arabs from the other side of the world did this who couldn't even pass a flying test? I am supposed to believe that they somehow avoided an echelon of military jets for almost an hour as well? Impressive, however why can't they do similar stunts in Afghanistan?





First, how do they get the figure of 4,000? It seems high to us, would around 9% of the workers there really be Israeli? The article points to a Jerusalem Post story on September 12th:

This is supposed to surprise someone?
Yeah as if the Jerusalem post ever said anything true.

By the way since you're a lying Kike I might as well post the full article
" The Jerusalem Post (08:15 - Wed) Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC, Pentagon Wednesday September 12, 2001 The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.

The list is made up of people who have not yet made contact with friends or family, Army Radio reported.

Telephone connections between Israel and the New York City and Washington, D.C. areas has been sporadic and unreliable since the multiple attacks yesterday.

Ten thousand people are estimated to have been killed in the New York attacks and another 800 in Washington.

Several hundred also went down with the hijacked planes."

Ten thousand huh?! Golly I didn't know that!

How could they tell how many people weren't killed when they didn't even know how many were? Kind of shoots on itself huh?

It's obvious that it's a lie, much like the 6 million number being known in a Reader's Digest back in 1943.


Is this even supposed to be taken seriously? I guess not, your sig says it all.

I have never bought into this whole idea and the numbers change all of the time. Sometimes it is said that no jews died, other times it has been one,etc. The main reason I don't buy it is very simply that people not directly involved in this whole thing, jew or not, are not going to be told to stay home on that day or whatever else. This leaves too many people who might open their mouths at some point. no way.

I have never bought into this whole idea and the numbers change all of the time. Sometimes it is said that no jews died, other times it has been one,etc. The main reason I don't buy it is very simply that people not directly involved in this whole thing, jew or not, are not going to be told to stay home on that day or whatever else. This leaves too many people who might open their mouths at some point. no way.

Why would a goy be instructed not to go to work? Jews don't care about the goy even if its the best one. If you live out in the wild and your barn gets flooded are you going to think about your best cow or try to save yourself? Same thing for the Jews.

Do you really think Jews can't form conspiracies? I am not sure why you're on this site then as it's quite clear that they are constantly cooperating with one another. It's no stretch of the imagination that these parasites could succeed at such a large operation especially when it's funded by a dumbass government and is covered up minutes after it happens. Connect the dots and it becomes pretty obvious how it all worked out.

Why would a goy be instructed not to go to work? Jews don't care about the goy even if its the best one. If you live out in the wild and your barn gets flooded are you going to think about your best cow or try to save yourself? Same thing for the Jews.

Do you really think Jews can't form conspiracies? I am not sure why you're on this site then as it's quite clear that they are constantly cooperating with one another. It's no stretch of the imagination that these parasites could succeed at such a large operation especially when it's funded by a dumbass government and is covered up minutes after it happens. Connect the dots and it becomes pretty obvious how it all worked out.

Your ignorance is demonstrated everytime time you vomit this shit from your mouth.

Your ignorance is demonstrated everytime time you vomit this shit from your mouth.

Just tell us, do they pay you by the word or by the number of posts?

Just tell us, do they pay you by the word or by the number of posts?

It's by the byte. :)

Every sheckle counts!

What's with the obsession with bodily fluids Slamin? You a porn director or something?

Only 2 Israelis died in 911. I guess they didn't get the IM.

Only 2 Israelis died in 911. I guess they didn't get the IM.

Some Jews are undesirables, ive known a few of them and it stems from some sort of reason coming over them. The Jews seek to destroy them before they can help the goy.

Just tell us, do they pay you by the word or by the number of posts?


Are you naturally ignorant or was it acquired? Lead paint?

Are you naturally ignorant or was it acquired? Lead paint?

So it is by the byte, you are THAT cheap. T.J.B.

It's by the byte. :)

Every sheckle counts!

His wit is decaying, your early answer.
Even before he could utter a baleful word.
:D:D:D

Notice how the Jew eventually resorts to name calling and demeaning insults? T.J.B. This is one reason why I do not waste my time arguing with them.

Only 2 Israelis died in 911. I guess they didn't get the IM.

Two out of 1,000 --- 2,000 ---- 3,000?

Jews think two is too many jews, except the 6,000,000 died in the Holocaust faux. Certainly a contradiction.

His wit is decaying, your early answer.
Even before he could utter a baleful word.
:D:D:D

Thanks I couldn't let the opportunity get away. :D

Why would a goy be instructed not to go to work? Jews don't care about the goy even if its the best one. If you live out in the wild and your barn gets flooded are you going to think about your best cow or try to save yourself? Same thing for the Jews.

Do you really think Jews can't form conspiracies? I am not sure why you're on this site then as it's quite clear that they are constantly cooperating with one another. It's no stretch of the imagination that these parasites could succeed at such a large operation especially when it's funded by a dumbass government and is covered up minutes after it happens. Connect the dots and it becomes pretty obvious how it all worked out.


I was talking about the rumor of jews being instructed not to go to work. There is no reason why you have to believe this part of the story in order to believe Mossad was involved. People not directly involved in something of this magnitude are not going to be told anything out of the ordinary. That would be incredibly stupid for these supposed master conspirators. A few people(even jews) would likely be looked at as expendible in order to serve the interests of "the greater good."

WOAH this thread sure blew up

lol.

anyways, the jews were not behind 9-11
it really was al-quada
they really do hate us for supporting the zionist regime of israel

I was talking about the rumor of jews being instructed not to go to work. There is no reason why you have to believe this part of the story in order to believe Mossad was involved.

Starr, what the fuck was this about then?

I have never bought into this whole idea and the numbers change all of the time. Sometimes it is said that no jews died, other times it has been one,etc. The main reason I don't buy it is very simply that people not directly involved in this whole thing, jew or not, are not going to be told to stay home on that day or whatever else. This leaves too many people who might open their mouths at some point. no way.

Reread my previous post directed at you and it will become clear that I am targeting exactly what you said.

And by the way if Jews were targeted as well it becomes a key point for opposition, therefore it's actually an important part of the story since it's hard to believe Mossad killing off their own.

A few people(even jews) would likely be looked at as expendible in order to serve the interests of "the greater good."
That has already been discussed and it is correct.

WOAH this thread sure blew up

lol.

anyways, the jews were not behind 9-11
it really was al-quada
they really do hate us for supporting the zionist regime of israel

I heard the moon is made of cheese.

Are you naturally ignorant or was it acquired? Lead paint?

Nope.
Aient working here :D
Have been asked to leave places occasionally, because one or two oy veh! :[]s felt threatened by my refusal to submit as cattles should do.
His protectors, American/Australian/English gullible goyims acted on his behalf.

Jews answer to everything --- "Al Quaida did it." Bhutta was killed by Al Quaida --- jews way to hide that the Mossad in the U.S. Government had something to do with it. Madrid bombings --- "Al Quaida did it."

U.S. soldiers bombed by IED's ---- "Al Quaida did it."

so now the jews killed butah?
lol
isnt that getting a little bit carried away?

the shooter blew himself up, jews dont do that. i hate defending jews but it doesnt seem reasonable

I also believed for some time that the no dead or very few dead jew rumor might have, itself, originated with those who might have carried this thing out. They know this is a rumor that will be picked up on and believed and they can use rumors of this nature to make people who do not believe the official story look either nutty or "anti semitic."

This conspiracy theory behind a conspiracy theory might sound nutty, itself, but I don't think it is completely implausible.

the shooter blew himself up, jews dont do that. i hate defending jews but it doesnt seem reasonable

You are not defending jews by merely questioning the reliability of the notion of "jews behind all, all of the time." You are merely defending reason.

Certainly cant' blame Al-Quaida. It doesn't exist. This is another fantasy drawn up the jewish israelites to go to war in the ME to protect the poor little jews in Israel. Certainly, the jewish media wouldn't point the finger at the Mossad or any other jew. Of course not, it would hurt your jewish supremacy and control over the goy.

the shooter blew himself up, jews dont do that. i hate defending jews but it doesnt seem reasonable

:o:(:rofl:[]-operation

Logos of Mossad: By way of deception

the shooter blew himself up, jews dont do that. i hate defending jews but it doesnt seem reasonable

Did you know that most poor muslims who never had any relationship in their life would be willing to do anything to get the dozens of virgins in the after life? Add a pay check of a few thousands bucks to his mum, dad, sister and brother and it's a done deal.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=64325

I've already spoken on the subject, all who care are free to take a look.

Did you know that most poor muslims who never had any relationship in their life would be willing to do anything to get the dozens of virgins in the after life? Add a pay check of a few thousands bucks to his mum, dad, sister and brother and it's a done deal.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=64325

I've already spoken on the subject, all who care are free to take a look.

well i can believe that a muslim was put up to it by a jew. but i really cant see a jew killing himself for anything, they dont have the balls

Starr, what the fuck was this about then?
an important part of the story since it's hard to believe Mossad killing off their own.
That has already been discussed


starr= nepodwijinyui; pristalnui; okotshenelui; upryiamui; (upryiamui stolbniak)

starr= frozen; frigid; cataleptic

starr= nepodwijinyui; pristalnui; okotshenelui; upryiamui; (upryiamui stolbniak)

Starr= frozen; frigid; cataleptic

:rofl:rofl

Stolbniak would translate to lockjaw by the way.

Sorry about the previous triple post, VNN freaked out.

:rofl:rofl

Stolbniak would translate to lockjaw by the way.

Sorry about the previous triple post, VNN freaked out.

It is not by accident that some translations of the bible read:
"at the beginning was the word...and god was the word..." ;)

when I wrote about that word s***r my everything froze double/tripleposts and so on :cool:

911 was done by GWB and his cronies with the input by the pentagon...remember...war is STILL the biggest business on the entire planet...that's a fact...when JFK quashed the "operation northwoods" falseflag project; it started the pentagon conspiring...when the "bay of pigs" blew up in the pentagons face...they started plotting on JFK..then whe JFK stated he would stop the vietnam war...game over; looks like there were too many secrets stored in the WTC for them to let it go on...as well as bldg 7; where cia...fbi...and nsc offices were housed; then there was the little matter of 3 trillon un-accounted for dollars which congress was launching an investigation into when the towers were attacked...how do you take the heat off of your operations when people get too close? you use mis-direction, create a diversion....works everytime...apparently:cool:

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March 10, 2002 -- Eureka! One of my readers, who calls himself "Snake Plissken," has put it together. He tells us why the passenger lists of the four September 11 "suicide" jets were so small, how remote control was used, why the transponders were turned off, why the radar tracks of the four planes were confused, why there was no Boeing 757 debris at the Pentagon.

By George, I think he's got it!

My e-mail exchanges with Snake took place over a series of days. With Snake's agreement, I have consolidated the exchanges, inserted some reference URLs, and made minor edits. My comments and additions will be bracketed thus [ ]. As you read what Snake has to say, keep the following in mind:

Magic is the pretended performance of those things which cannot be done. The success of a magician's simulation of doing the impossible depends upon misleading the minds of his audiences. This, in the main, is done by adding, to a performance, details of which the spectators are unaware, and leaving out others which they believe you have not left out. In short a performance of magic is largely a demonstration of the universal reliability of certain facts of psychology.
(John Mulholland, The Art of Illusion, Charles Scribner & Sons, 1944.)

In what follows, Snake unravels the illusions of the 9-11 magicians.


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Carol,

You did some fine research on 9-11. You came within inches of solving the puzzle of the "suicide" jets. But now you need the rest of the story. Let me explain by making a suggestion.

Go visit a bumblebee hive some time, and try to keep your eye on just one bee. You can't do it. You get confused. Think of the 9-11 jets as bumblebees. Matter of fact, you could even call Operation 911 Flight of the Bumble Planes.

I've worked in cryptology and there are many ways of hiding the truth. Substitute information, omit information, scramble the information out of sequence, and add nonsense (random garbage). All four methods were used on the 9-11 incident. Let me lay out the clues and show you where they lead.

THE CLUE
First Clue -- Few Passengers On The Four Flights: Many have remarked about the short passenger lists on the four 911 jets. You might get a low turnout for a 767 or 757 now and then, but four coast to-coast flights taking off from the East inside of a few minutes of each other, all with short passenger lists? Nuts. That's your first clue.

Second Clue -- First Report of First WTC Crash: The second clue comes from the first New York eyewitness on NBC. She had no question about what she saw. You could hear it in her voice. If she was the state's witness, the defense team would have their heads between their knees before she stopped talking.

What did she say? She heard an airplane coming in low and looked up. She saw a small private jet, and watched it fly into the first WTC tower, the North tower. She was certain in her description -- most people know the difference between a big round-nose commercial jet and a smaller plane.

[ CV comments:
In his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on October 25, 2001, NORAD commander Ralph Eberhart said of the first September 11 report: "We were told it was a light commuter airplane. It didn't look like that was caused by a light commuter airplane."
http://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/HomelandDefenseTranscript.doc
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/eberhart-testimony.html ]
Later, some dodgy report came in from an anonymous source in the "United Airlines Command Center" that American Airlines had a hijacking, and they gradually padded the story out until the viewer felt like he was part of an unfolding revelation on the size and make of the plane. So the first eyewitness's story got shellacked.

Third clue -- Pentagon Crash: The first report on NBC said there had been an explosion near the Pentagon heliport. No mention of a plane.

If you were watching ABC, the first reports cited eyewitnesses who said a business jet had crashed into the Pentagon. Notice that this description is similar to the first report about the WTC. A small plane, not a big, round-nosed passenger jet.

Then ABC interviewed some media executive who said he "saw the whole thing" from his car on the freeway. It was an American Airlines passenger jet. Good luck the road didn't need his attention while he was gawking. And of course it was a big passenger jet scraping the light poles with it's belly as it came in low. And that story paved the way for the official truth.

Fourth Clue -- No Boeing 757 Debris at Pentagon Crash Site: By now lots of people have realized there is something very wrong with the story of Flight 77's crash into the Pentagon. What's the problem? The wingspan of a 757 is about 125 feet, with about 35 feet between the two jet engines.

[CV comments: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757-200/ext.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/boeing757-200

The hole left by whatever hit the building was 70 feet across.

US News & World Report, December 10, 2001, pg. 31
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/usn011210-1.jpg ]

After the smoke died down, everyone could see the Pentagon but no one could see the plane. The Pentagon is made of masonry -- limestone -- not steel and glass. The aluminum wings of the plane should have been ripped off and left outside the building. We should have seen wing wreckage. But there was none.

[CV comments:
I have studied TV footage taken contemporaneously by various networks and reviewed photos from news magazines published just after 9-11. After the smoke died down, no Boeing 757 debris was visible.

See the following URLs at the website of the U.S. Army Military District of Washington, D.C., sent to me by researcher John DiNardo, <jadinardo@hotmail.com>. By the way, Mr. DiNardo suspects that inside explosives were used at the Pentagon on 9-11. Certainly the damaged section of the building had just been renovated; explosives would have been easy to install.

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/firetruck.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon6

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/capitolview.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon5

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/cars-damaged.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon2

The scenes depicted by the US Army photos are consistent with contemporaneously published photos in the popular press. See, for example, US News and World Report, September 14, 2001, pg. 40.

http://www.Public-Action.com/911/usn010914-1.jpg

and the photo that appeared in Newsweek's 2001 "Extra" edition, pgs. 26, 27.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/nwkxtr-1.jpg

This photograph below, with caption, appeared on the US Army Military District of Washington site. It unwittingly demonstrates that there was no Boeing 757 wreckage. Think now: a hundred thousand pounds of seats, framework, skin plates, engine parts, flaps, wheels, luggage, interior panels, electronics, and this little out-of-context scrap of God-knows-what was shown by the Pentagon.

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/planepiece.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon0

In the last several months, largely as a result of Mr. DiNardo's work, there has been growing Internet discussion of the lack of Boeing 757 debris outside the Pentagon. Now, magically, new photos of "Boeing 757" Pentagon wreckage are beginning to appear. Check out the websites of Mike Rivero <whatreallyhappened.com> and Joe Vialls for copies of these fakes. Rivero and Vialls, by endorsing them as real, have surely identified themselves as members of the fake opposition.

OK. Now back to Snake Plissken]

Fifth Clue -- Quality of Pilots in Pentagon crash: As you point out in Operation 911: No Suicide Pilots [http://www.Public-action.com/911/robotplane.html], the flying instructors who trained the "suicide" pilots of Flight 77 said they were hopeless. "It was like they had hardly even ever driven a car ..." The flight instructors called the two, "dumb and dumber," and told them to quit taking lessons.

Yet the Washington Post described the maneuvers of Flight 77 before it hit the Pentagon. The huge jet took a 270 degree hairpin turn to make its target. The Post said Flight 77 had to be flown by expert pilots.

Something is wrong here. Now "dumb and dumber" are expert pilots. That is your fifth clue.


Sixth Clue -- Transponders Turned Off: As you point out, the "hijackers" turned off the transponders which transmit information showing the airline names, flight numbers, and altitude. But the FAA also uses conventional radar, so the "hijackers" must have known the planes were still visible. Why would the "hijackers" shut the transponders off, you asked? You are looking at your sixth clue.

[Did NORAD Send The 'Suicide' Jets? Part 1
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend.html ]

Seventh Clue -- Confusion On Radar Tracks: As you point out, some of these flights disappeared from the conventional radar scopes. [See above-cited URL.] That's your seventh clue.

Eighth Clue -- Second WTC Tower Barely Hit: Have a look at the footage of the second WTC tower being hit. The plane almost missed the tower and just managed to hit the corner. Yet the first plane struck its target dead center. That's your eighth clue.

[See diagrams from Wag the WTC website at:
http://www.public-action.com/911/psyopnews/Extra/1/southtowerpath.jpg

HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED
* A Boeing 767 was secured and painted up to look like a United Airlines jet. It had remote controls installed in it, courtesy of some NORAD types. Call that plane "Pseudo Flight 175" and leave it parked at a military airfield for the moment.

* The number of the passengers on each flight was kept artificially low that day. Easy to do. Just monkey with the airline computers and show the fights full so no more tickets are sold. Include some of your own operatives in each flight, maybe.

* After the planes are in the air, the transponders must be shut down. There are a few ways to do this, maybe, but the simplest is this: Have one of the NORAD insiders call the pilots and say: "This is the North American Aerospace Defense Command. There is a national emergency. We are under terrorist attack. Turn off your transponders. Maintain radio silence. Here is your new flight plan. You will land at [name] military air base."

* The pilots turn off the transponders. The FAA weenies lose the information which identifies the airline, the flight number, and the altitude of the planes. Of course the planes can still be seen on conventional radar, but the planes are just nameless blips now.

* What did the radar show of the planes' flight paths? We'll never see the real records, for sure. But in the spy movies, when the spy wants to lose a tail, he gets a double to lead the tail one way while the spy goes the other. If I were designing Operation 911, I'd do that: As each of the original jets is flying, another jet is sent to fly just above or below it, at the same latitude and longitude. The blips of the two planes merge on the radar scopes. Alternately, a plane is sent to cross the flight path of the original plane. Again, the blips merge, just like the little bees you're watching outside the hive. The original planes proceed to the military airfield and air traffic control is thoroughly confused, watching the wrong blips ...

That's probably close to the way it was managed. Like I say, we'll never see the radar records so we won't know exactly.

[For the alleged flight paths of the four jets, see
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/4flights.html
For names and locations of military airfields in the US, try
http://www.globemaster.de/bases.html
You can search for a listing of bases in 9-11 related states by using the search engine.]
* A small remote controlled commuter jet filled with incendiaries/explosives -- a cruise missile, if you like -- is flown into the first WTC tower. That's the plane the first NBC eyewitness saw.

* The remote controlled "Pseudo Flight 175," decked out to look like a United airlines passenger jet, is sent aloft and flown by remote control -- without passengers -- and crashed into the second tower.

Beautiful! Everyone has pictures of that.

Why did Pseudo Flight 175 almost miss the second tower? Because the remote operators were used to smaller, more maneuverable craft, not a big stubborn passenger jet. The operators brought the jet in on a tight circle and almost blew it because those jets do hairpin turns like the Queen Mary. They brought it in too fast and too close to do the job right and just hit the corner of the tower.

* Then another remote controlled commuter jet filled with incendiaries/explosives -- a cruise missile if you like -- hits the Pentagon, in the name of Flight 77.

* Eyewitnesses are a dime a dozen. Trusted media whores "witness" the Pentagon hit and claim it was an American Airlines Boeing 757, Flight 77. Reporters lie better than lawyers.

* Meanwhile, the passengers from Flights 11, 175, and 77, now at the military airfield, are loaded onto Flight 93. If you've put some of your own agents aboard, they stay on the ground, of course.

* Flight is taken aloft.

* Flight 93 is shot down or bombed -- makes no difference which. Main deal is to destroy that human meat without questions. Easiest way to dispose of 15,000 lbs. of human flesh, and nobody gets a headline if they find a foot in their front garden. No mass graves will ever be discovered, either.

* The trail is further confused by issuing reports that Flight 77 was actually headed towards the White House but changed course.

* The trail is further confused by having the Washington Post wax lyrical about the flying skills of non-existent pilots on a non-existence plane (Flight 77).

* The trail is further confused with conflicting reports and artificial catfight issues, such as -- did The Presidential Shrub really see the first tower hit on TV while he was waiting to read the story about the pet goat ...

So we know the Boeing that used to be Flight 93 was blown up. The other three original Boeings (Flights 11, 175, 77) still exist somewhere, unless they were cut up for scrap.


[CV comments, January 1, 2004: The Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center (AMARC) is located outside Tuscon, Arizona; it is an Air Force aeroplane graveyard and a storehouse for spare parts. The Air Force also uses AMARC to convert discarded planes into remote-controlled drones. See http://www.modern-ruins.com/boneyard/boneyardtext.html
or
http://www.public-action.com/911/airforce-graveyard/index.html

AMARC is one likely repository for the original 911 passenger jets.]

The passengers and crews of Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93 died in an airplane crash, just like the newspapers said. Only for most of them, it was the wrong crash. But that's as close to the truth as the news media likes to get anyway, so it works.

WHY DO IT THAT WAY?
So there you have it. Not four planes. More than four planes. There were the four original Boeing passenger jets that took off from the East Coast airports, the remote controlled Pseudo Flight 175 Boeing, and two small remote controlled jets or cruise missiles. Figure in a couple of extra planes to confuse the flight paths of the original passenger jets.

The four original Boeings had conventional controls. The look-alike Boeing and the two small jets were drones, rigged with remote control. You called it Global Hawk, and that's good enough. The mimic planes could have been piloted or remote controlled.

Why not just install remote control in four passenger jets like you described in NO SUICIDE PILOTS? Here's why: You might get remote control gear installed on a passenger jet so pretty the pilot would not notice, but that would be more work, more time, and more people. Then you would have to control your special plane through maintenance dispatch and try to get it lined up for that day, that time, that flight. Then you would have to multiply those efforts by four. There would be too many chances of things going wrong. Plane substitution would be much simpler. You'd just need the NORAD insiders, the personnel at the military airfield, and maybe an agent or two inside the FAA air traffic control system to make sure things go smooth. That should not be too difficult because NORAD has sent lots of its people over to the FAA to work on the FAA radars.

[CV comments:
Gen. Eberhart, NORAD commander, told the Senate Armed Services Committee on October 25, 2001 that " . . . we've actually moved manpower on the order of about 200 people over the years to the FAA to operate these radars." Cited in Did NORAD Send The 'Suicide' Jets? Part 2. See Eberhart testimony at:
http://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/HomelandDefenseTranscript.doc
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/eberhart-testimony.html ]
Some people have suggested the original passenger planes were used with the flight computers hacked and loaded with the collision coordinates for the targets. Maybe the job could have been done that way, but it was not. You know for sure it was not because flight computers do not fly planes the way those were flown. A flight computer is given a set of GPS points (geographic coordinates) to follow, and the computer charts the path between them, correcting for cross-winds and other errors. The flight computer flies smooth and gentle, the way passengers like it, without jerky corrections.

You know Flight 175 was not on that system when it hit the south tower because it came in fast (they say) in a tight hooking circle that almost missed the tower. An autopilot wouldn't make that mistake. The crash of flight 175 was not a preprgrammed flight computer finding the optimum path. What you see there in the path of 175 is a real-time controller fighting the physics of flight - and almost losing it.

You've already dealt with the Joe Vialls Home Run explanation, so I don't have to analyze that again.

[http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend.html ]
I've seen another lame attempt to explain away what happened: Supposedly AWACS (airborne military communications) hit the planes with EMF (radio blast) and knocked out their manual electronics, then took over the 9-11 planes by remote and made them crash. That's a pipe dream. Anything that knocked out the electronics from a distance would turn a plane into a flying scrap heap. Those plane are completely dependent on electronics, and no remote beam could pick and choose which circuits to destroy and which to leave intact.

OTHER DETAILS
* Pentagon Security Photos: On March 7 CNN released four photographs taken by Pentagon security camera on September 11, 2001. Look at the photos:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/index.htm

The Washington Post says: "The first photo shows a small, blurry, white object near the upper right corner -- possibly the plane just a few feet about the ground," but admits "the hijacked American Airlines plane is not clearly visible." ("New Photos Show Attack on Pentagon," March 7, 2002. )

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56670-2002Mar7.html

Yeah, right, you can believe that the American Airlines plane is not visible.

* Fireman's Video of First Crash. The NBC eyewitness said the plane that flew into the North tower was small. This is corroborated by the fireman's video taken on September 11:

http://www.xemox.net/wtc/movies/first.plane.hits.gp.med.asf

[Note to reader: There are other versions of this clip on the Internet, but I have been unable to find one I can verify as the original clip. If you can find a verifiable copy, let me know. CV <SkyWriter@Public.Action.com>]

In that clip, the camera shows a fireman with other workers casually discussing some street work. The fireman looks up over his left shoulder, then behind him, as though he is following a sound. The camera follows his gaze, finds nothing at the original location, then quickly moves to a shot of the WTC, visible through another corridor in the surrounding buildings.

Why does the cameraman focus on the WTC? I can only guess he heard the impact of the plane. The camera does not show the plane in the air prior to impact, so I assume it has already crashed.

In the first frames we see a puff of smoke from the impact site that grows into a cloud and erupts into flame. After a few seconds, the flame dies down and the smoke dissipates. At that moment, the camera shows the huge S-shaped gash in the side of WTC North.

[CV's comments, January 1, 2004: Another version of the "fireman's video" is now available at :
http://www.serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/north_tower.htm
Footage from that clip shows a large plane - not a small plane - approaching the tower and crashing into it.]


If the wings of a large jet made that gash, the gash should not be S-shaped. The gash should be a straight line like the wings of the jet. But more important: if the impact of the jet made
the gash, the gash should appear at the moment of impact when the camera is first drawn to the building. Instead, it appears AFTER the smoke and flame.

[http://www.public-action.com/911/gamma.jpg
and
http://www.public-action.com/911/911/gamma2.jpg ]


The Hijackers: I have read reports that some of the alleged hijackers are actually still alive. This suggests the hijacker scenario and the resultant mid-air telephone calls to the relatives is pure bull. But I can't verify the alleged hijackers are still alive, so let's move on.

It would be easy for the 9-11 planners to collect the names of people with Muslim-sounding names who were taking flying lessons around the country. Just before 9-11 happens, they are disappeared. Then mid-air phone calls are created, reporting hijackers who were never aboard the planes. That would work.

As you and many people have noticed, the Muslim names don't appear on the passenger lists of the four flights. The hijackers names don't even appear on the list of passengers released by United on September 12 -- the list of passengers on Flights 175 and 93.

[http://www.Public-Action.com/911/uapassngerlist ]
Sure it was careless not to put the Arab names on the passenger lists, but nobody's perfect.

Just to show you how scripted the Flight 93 hijacking thing was, think about the alleged phone calls from the passengers on Flight 93 to their next of kin in the moments before the crash. Supposedly, they learned of the attacks on the Pentagon and the WTC with their handy cell phones, and they figured out their own plane was hijacked for a similar purpose. So they decided to be heroes and take the plane away from the hijackers.

According to the Dallas Morning News : "The fourth time Thomas Burnett Jr. phoned his wife, Deena, he acknowledged up front: 'I know we're going to die. There's three of us who are going to do something about it.'"

[Dallas Morning News, "Trapped in the skies, captives fought back," September 17, 2001.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/dmnheroes ]
Heroic, wasn't it? And not a dry hanky in the house. The heroes of modern America. A high school basketball star, a college rugby player, a forest ranger, a woman police officer ...

But why did it have to be suicide heroism? "They knew their deaths were inevitable, according to some family members with whom they spoke on the phone, and they didn't want thousands more to die with them." It makes a better story, of course: "Suicide Heroes Defeat Suicide Hijackers."

Why did they have to die? The crew was still alive and "herded at knife point to the back of the plane, where the passengers were being held," according to the same report. They weren't dead. If the passengers got control from the hijackers, couldn't the crew fly the plane? Why didn't those brave heroes say things like, "There's a chance we might save this boat"? But they said, "I know we're going to die."

Obviously, this script was concocted in midnight bull sessions like they had in Dustin Hoffman's mansion in "Wag the Dog". And the American public has been trained on weak plots for decades on prime time TV, so they don't WANT to think their way out of a wet paper bag. It spoils the show.

Only the writers and producers of Operation 911 knew that the passengers of Flight 93 had to die. But the temptation was too much, so they put it in the passenger dialog, too. And that's how you know the cell phone calls are just theater, not fact.

By the way, if I was planning this operation, I'd put some fictitious names on the passenger list, so when the flight went down, the media could interview fake relatives. Like that Operation Northwoods plan in which a fake Cuban jet would shoot down a fake American passenger jet. Whoever planned that must have planned to use fake grieving relatives, too.

[http://www.public-action.com/911/northwds.html ]
And then of course I've heard they can do marvelous things with voice simulation. How about that fellow who called his mother from Flight 93 and said "Mom, this is Mark Bingham." That has all the truth of a plaster fish trophy. That one guy, Todd Beamer, with the pregnant wife -- she didn't talk to him directly, she just got a message from the answering service.

["The Final Moments of Flight 93," September 22, 2001, by Karen Breslau (NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/632626.asp
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/finalmoments93
The state of the art in voice simulation is the subject of a Washingon Post news article, "When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing" found at http://public-action.com/911/voice-simulation/index.html ]
Is this all too much for your to swallow? Don't you believe people would conspire to pull all this off? Well, look at the stakes. This current war will go on for years and blot out one of the world's great religions, legitimize military rule in the United States, redistribute the world's oil resources, and change the entire power structure of planet Earth. All that's needed to make it happen is ambition, chutzpah, "a few good men," and a nation that is willing to be deceived.

The problem with people like you when you try to understand events like this, you are not a trained killer. When you come to wiping out the whoever, you shrink back. That's normal. That is one of the things you have to train out of a soldier.

But when a soldier plans something like this, he doesn't flinch at the killing. He just takes that into the plans like one more or one less egg in the omelet. If he has to kill the enemy or Americans or even himself, it doesn't matter because sometimes he has to do that to win. He's trained that way.

The only thing that matters is the Objective. Whatever a soldier has to do to win the Objective, that is what he has to do. All of this false piety about suicide bombers is nuts. Well trained Americans would do that if you ordered them to. If they didn't, they weren't well trained.

So you have to kill a hundred, a thousand, or five thousand civilians, you just do it in the best way that will help the Objective.


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[The article was revised on September 28, 2004. Notes added as indicated.]

See also:
Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS
by Carol A. Valentine, October 6, 2001
There were no "suicide" pilots on those September 11 jets. The jets were controlled by advanced robotics and remote control technology, not hijackers.
Did NORAD Send The "Suicide" Jets? Part 1: Inside Job
by Carol A. Valentine, February 12, 2002
NORAD, charged with keeping American skies safe, didn't show up on September 11, leaving the remote controlled jets to do their work. Coincidentally, NORAD is one of the world's experts on remote controlled aircraft. NORAD had the means, and provided the opportunity, for making 9-11 happen. Discussion of radar anomalies.
Did NORAD Send The "Suicide" Jets? Part 2: The Dumb Blondes
by Carol A. Valentine, February 25, 2002
NORAD claims it sent defensive jets aloft on 9-11, but America's top generals give contradictory accounts before the Senate. They act like dumb blondes — they can scarcely remember which plane hit which target. NORAD blames the FAA for the catastrophe, but the Senate doesn't bother calling the FAA. More radar anomalies.
When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
by William M. Arkin, in a guest appearance, February 1, 1999
But what about the cell phone calls to relatives from passengers on the doomed planes? The Special Operations Command gives us the answer to that question — but it's not the same answer you heard on network news. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
Flight Of The Bumble Planes
by Snake Plissken, as told to Carol A. Valentine, March 10, 2002
Snake Plissken tells us how remote controlled planes and radar trickery were used to pull off Operation 9-11. "Magic is the pretended performance of those things which cannot be done." By George, I think he's got it!
Pentagon RESCUE? Parts I through IV: Open, Bloody Questions . . .
by Carol A. Valentine, June 23, 2002
On 9-11, the most important mission was to extinguish the fire and rescue the victims. So why did they spray water on an aviation fuel fire? Instead of lifting the debris off the victims, why did they use a wrecking ball to collapse the ruins on top of them? Your journey begins here . . .
Pentagon RESCUE? Part V: The Seven Minute Fire
by Carol A. Valentine, August 18, 2002
After the publication of "Pentagon RESCUE? Part IV: Open, Bloody Questions," the Ministry of Truth publicized a little-known article claiming foam was used on 9-11, and that the "bulk" of the fire was extinguished in seven minutes! Then what did we all watch on TV, burning for days after?
Taliban Home Video
by Carol A. Valentine, October 15, 2001
If the US and its pals could fake such a video — and they're easy to fake, either with morphing or stand-in impersonators — why wouldn't they? And they did.
9/11 Terror: Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics!
by J. McMichael, October 23, 2001
Using jet fuel to melt steel is an amazing discovery, really. It is also amazing that until now, no one had been able to get it to work, and that proves the terrorists were not stupid people.
Press Uses Actors in War On Islam
by Carol a. Valentine, November 11, 2001
The Washington Times has faked two photos in its coverage of the War On Islam. One actor was used twice: first cast as an enemy of America, then nine days later, as a friend of America.
Tooth Fairies and Suicide Bombers
by Carol A. Valentine, May 9, 2002
Why would vengeful Palestinians blow themselves up? Why not just leave the package, walk away, and strike again next week? Funny how the Israelis identify the bombers immediately, and distribute nice color portrait shots of the culprits immediately. Funny, the IRA didn't use suicide bombers. Other funny things.
Merry Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!
by Carol A. Valentine, May 15, 2002
What does the establishment of a world-wide Jewish theocracy have to do with the events of 9-11? Everything. If the Jews who rule America have their way, freedom of religion will soon be a thing of the past, and rabbinical courts will rule the world.
911 Lawsuit Is A Booby Trap
by Carol A. Valentine, March 3, 2004
Mrs. Ellen Mariani, a 911 widow, has filed a RICO suit against George W. Bush et al. to discover the truth about 911. But her lawyer, Philip J. Berg, has written a complaint that protects the real culprits. It is littered with gross errors and malpractice. Berg is a suicide bus driver taking Ellen Mariani's quest for truth on a one-way trip to oblivion.
See other 9-11 articles by Carol A. Valentine at http://www.public-action.com/
All original works copyright 1996-2004 Carol A. Valentine
On loan to Public Action, Inc.
PO Box 15430 Wedgwood Station, Seattle, WA 98115
http://www.public-action.com
SkyWriter@public-action.com


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Look, this is not an intellectual exercise ... "I doubt the Israelis would do something like this ..." etc, the facts are out there. The only thing stopping you from gathering the facts is reaching out your fingers and tapping the right keys.

Look what comes up in a ten-second search on the subject:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

Jewish Mossad's fingerprints are all over 9/11. How can you read this and not conclude that Mossad wasn't behind 9/11? (For the record, I have some disagreements with the author about some details of how Mossad did it, I think Mossad agents WERE on the plane but did not die on it ....)

It is really a matter of - do you want to find out and are you prepared to do the investigation and read as many sources about 9/11 as possible or do you want to just depend on secondhand opinion that someone puts on the messageboard or rumor and conjecture based on that?


THE SEPTEMBER 11 DANCE PARTY

Let us review what we have learned. We have clearly established that Zionists played a key role in steering the US into two World Wars. We have clearly established that Zionists do not care if Americans (or others) are killed to further their goals. We have clearly established that Zionists have a record of attacking Americans in order to frame Arabs. We have established that the Zionists are capable of acts of unspeakable brutality and genocide. We have established that US politicians fear the Zionist Mafia and defy them at their own peril. We have learned that warnings of a suicidal hijacking plot were issued to several people. And most importantly of all, we have clearly established that the Zionists have the capacity to make these amazing stories suddenly disappear from their controlled news media.

Having established these precedents, we can now easily deduce that the reason why those five dancing Israeli agents who celebrated the 9-11 attacks were so happy is because they knew that Americans would now become unconditional supporters of their "Israeli ally" and fanatical haters of Muslims and Arabs. On the day of the attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attack would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)" 57

The five Israelis made such a spectacle that everyone who saw them felt compelled to call the police. According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the first words out of the driver's (Sivan Kurzberg) lying mouth were: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." 58 The police and FBI field agents became really suspicious when they found box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. 59

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the Bergen Record that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were all joking about the attacks. The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." 60

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stuck in storage facilities. 61 The five Israeli army veterans (Mossad) were held in custody for several months before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days. 62

Immediately following the attacks, the Zionist controlled media was filled with stories linking the attacks to Bin Laden. TV talking-heads and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. We were told that the reason Bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because of our wealth. But Bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the 9-11 attacks:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks....The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." 63

To date, the only shred of "evidence" to be uncovered against Bin Laden was a highly suspicious, barely audible amateur video, that the Zionist dominated Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. Though there is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror; there is in fact a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that the Zionist Mafia has been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America.

You can check out all the references linked to in the article. I have checked some and many come from MAINSTREAM MEDIA resources. There is no excuse for the politically-minded American (who has an internet connection) to be ignorant of these facts any longer.

And the Northwoods document is a fake. Once again a little research on the net will show you that. Do a Search on Carol Valentine. I am not surprised. Anything that comes out of the Alex Jones' camp is suspect, he is a Jewish Gatekeeper and the Northwoods thing is perfect for him to blame it on the goyim and deflect atttention away from the real culprit.

If people do not wake up to the Jewish Gatekeepers controlling the information coming out about 9/11 (most of these Truthers have a permanent attachment to Alex Jones' teat and get all their info filtered through him), then it is GOODBYE AMERICA and HELLO ISRAEMERICA FOREVER. By the looks of things - how things are going currently, I think the Jews will defeat the goyim in the war of 9/11 propaganda and truth.

And you can't blame the Jews for this one. The info is out there but the majority of Americans are just too dumb or lazy to look for it. I'm sure most Jews know Mossad did 9/11 and that's why they work so hard shilling against the 9/11 conspiracy theories surrounding it, even the idiotic theories that don't mention Israel or Mossad (most of Alex Jones' followers again) ....

Note: At the time this article was published, all external links were alive and functioning. But the Internet is a dynamic forum. Webmasters sometimes change or remove pages, and entire web sites sometimes disappear. Whenever practicable, we have cached copies of the originals.

Flight Of The Bumble Planes
by Snake Plissken
as told to Carol A. Valentine
Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.public-action.com/
Copyright, March, 2002
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes



To hear the Bumble Planes, press here


March 10, 2002 -- Eureka! One of my readers, who calls himself "Snake Plissken," has put it together. He tells us why the passenger lists of the four September 11 "suicide" jets were so small, how remote control was used, why the transponders were turned off, why the radar tracks of the four planes were confused, why there was no Boeing 757 debris at the Pentagon.

By George, I think he's got it!

My e-mail exchanges with Snake took place over a series of days. With Snake's agreement, I have consolidated the exchanges, inserted some reference URLs, and made minor edits. My comments and additions will be bracketed thus [ ]. As you read what Snake has to say, keep the following in mind:

Magic is the pretended performance of those things which cannot be done. The success of a magician's simulation of doing the impossible depends upon misleading the minds of his audiences. This, in the main, is done by adding, to a performance, details of which the spectators are unaware, and leaving out others which they believe you have not left out. In short a performance of magic is largely a demonstration of the universal reliability of certain facts of psychology.
(John Mulholland, The Art of Illusion, Charles Scribner & Sons, 1944.)

In what follows, Snake unravels the illusions of the 9-11 magicians.


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Carol,

You did some fine research on 9-11. You came within inches of solving the puzzle of the "suicide" jets. But now you need the rest of the story. Let me explain by making a suggestion.

Go visit a bumblebee hive some time, and try to keep your eye on just one bee. You can't do it. You get confused. Think of the 9-11 jets as bumblebees. Matter of fact, you could even call Operation 911 Flight of the Bumble Planes.

I've worked in cryptology and there are many ways of hiding the truth. Substitute information, omit information, scramble the information out of sequence, and add nonsense (random garbage). All four methods were used on the 9-11 incident. Let me lay out the clues and show you where they lead.

THE CLUE
First Clue -- Few Passengers On The Four Flights: Many have remarked about the short passenger lists on the four 911 jets. You might get a low turnout for a 767 or 757 now and then, but four coast to-coast flights taking off from the East inside of a few minutes of each other, all with short passenger lists? Nuts. That's your first clue.

Second Clue -- First Report of First WTC Crash: The second clue comes from the first New York eyewitness on NBC. She had no question about what she saw. You could hear it in her voice. If she was the state's witness, the defense team would have their heads between their knees before she stopped talking.

What did she say? She heard an airplane coming in low and looked up. She saw a small private jet, and watched it fly into the first WTC tower, the North tower. She was certain in her description -- most people know the difference between a big round-nose commercial jet and a smaller plane.

[ CV comments:
In his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on October 25, 2001, NORAD commander Ralph Eberhart said of the first September 11 report: "We were told it was a light commuter airplane. It didn't look like that was caused by a light commuter airplane."
http://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/HomelandDefenseTranscript.doc
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/eberhart-testimony.html ]
Later, some dodgy report came in from an anonymous source in the "United Airlines Command Center" that American Airlines had a hijacking, and they gradually padded the story out until the viewer felt like he was part of an unfolding revelation on the size and make of the plane. So the first eyewitness's story got shellacked.

Third clue -- Pentagon Crash: The first report on NBC said there had been an explosion near the Pentagon heliport. No mention of a plane.

If you were watching ABC, the first reports cited eyewitnesses who said a business jet had crashed into the Pentagon. Notice that this description is similar to the first report about the WTC. A small plane, not a big, round-nosed passenger jet.

Then ABC interviewed some media executive who said he "saw the whole thing" from his car on the freeway. It was an American Airlines passenger jet. Good luck the road didn't need his attention while he was gawking. And of course it was a big passenger jet scraping the light poles with it's belly as it came in low. And that story paved the way for the official truth.

Fourth Clue -- No Boeing 757 Debris at Pentagon Crash Site: By now lots of people have realized there is something very wrong with the story of Flight 77's crash into the Pentagon. What's the problem? The wingspan of a 757 is about 125 feet, with about 35 feet between the two jet engines.

[CV comments: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757-200/ext.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/boeing757-200

The hole left by whatever hit the building was 70 feet across.

US News & World Report, December 10, 2001, pg. 31
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/usn011210-1.jpg ]

After the smoke died down, everyone could see the Pentagon but no one could see the plane. The Pentagon is made of masonry -- limestone -- not steel and glass. The aluminum wings of the plane should have been ripped off and left outside the building. We should have seen wing wreckage. But there was none.

[CV comments:
I have studied TV footage taken contemporaneously by various networks and reviewed photos from news magazines published just after 9-11. After the smoke died down, no Boeing 757 debris was visible.

See the following URLs at the website of the U.S. Army Military District of Washington, D.C., sent to me by researcher John DiNardo, <jadinardo@hotmail.com>. By the way, Mr. DiNardo suspects that inside explosives were used at the Pentagon on 9-11. Certainly the damaged section of the building had just been renovated; explosives would have been easy to install.

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/firetruck.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon6

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/capitolview.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon5

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/cars-damaged.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon2

The scenes depicted by the US Army photos are consistent with contemporaneously published photos in the popular press. See, for example, US News and World Report, September 14, 2001, pg. 40.

http://www.Public-Action.com/911/usn010914-1.jpg

and the photo that appeared in Newsweek's 2001 "Extra" edition, pgs. 26, 27.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/nwkxtr-1.jpg

This photograph below, with caption, appeared on the US Army Military District of Washington site. It unwittingly demonstrates that there was no Boeing 757 wreckage. Think now: a hundred thousand pounds of seats, framework, skin plates, engine parts, flaps, wheels, luggage, interior panels, electronics, and this little out-of-context scrap of God-knows-what was shown by the Pentagon.

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/911/pages/planepiece.html
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/pentagon0

In the last several months, largely as a result of Mr. DiNardo's work, there has been growing Internet discussion of the lack of Boeing 757 debris outside the Pentagon. Now, magically, new photos of "Boeing 757" Pentagon wreckage are beginning to appear. Check out the websites of Mike Rivero <whatreallyhappened.com> and Joe Vialls for copies of these fakes. Rivero and Vialls, by endorsing them as real, have surely identified themselves as members of the fake opposition.

OK. Now back to Snake Plissken]

Fifth Clue -- Quality of Pilots in Pentagon crash: As you point out in Operation 911: No Suicide Pilots [http://www.Public-action.com/911/robotplane.html], the flying instructors who trained the "suicide" pilots of Flight 77 said they were hopeless. "It was like they had hardly even ever driven a car ..." The flight instructors called the two, "dumb and dumber," and told them to quit taking lessons.

Yet the Washington Post described the maneuvers of Flight 77 before it hit the Pentagon. The huge jet took a 270 degree hairpin turn to make its target. The Post said Flight 77 had to be flown by expert pilots.

Something is wrong here. Now "dumb and dumber" are expert pilots. That is your fifth clue.


Sixth Clue -- Transponders Turned Off: As you point out, the "hijackers" turned off the transponders which transmit information showing the airline names, flight numbers, and altitude. But the FAA also uses conventional radar, so the "hijackers" must have known the planes were still visible. Why would the "hijackers" shut the transponders off, you asked? You are looking at your sixth clue.

[Did NORAD Send The 'Suicide' Jets? Part 1
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend.html ]

Seventh Clue -- Confusion On Radar Tracks: As you point out, some of these flights disappeared from the conventional radar scopes. [See above-cited URL.] That's your seventh clue.

Eighth Clue -- Second WTC Tower Barely Hit: Have a look at the footage of the second WTC tower being hit. The plane almost missed the tower and just managed to hit the corner. Yet the first plane struck its target dead center. That's your eighth clue.

[See diagrams from Wag the WTC website at:
http://www.public-action.com/911/psyopnews/Extra/1/southtowerpath.jpg

HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED
* A Boeing 767 was secured and painted up to look like a United Airlines jet. It had remote controls installed in it, courtesy of some NORAD types. Call that plane "Pseudo Flight 175" and leave it parked at a military airfield for the moment.

* The number of the passengers on each flight was kept artificially low that day. Easy to do. Just monkey with the airline computers and show the fights full so no more tickets are sold. Include some of your own operatives in each flight, maybe.

* After the planes are in the air, the transponders must be shut down. There are a few ways to do this, maybe, but the simplest is this: Have one of the NORAD insiders call the pilots and say: "This is the North American Aerospace Defense Command. There is a national emergency. We are under terrorist attack. Turn off your transponders. Maintain radio silence. Here is your new flight plan. You will land at [name] military air base."

* The pilots turn off the transponders. The FAA weenies lose the information which identifies the airline, the flight number, and the altitude of the planes. Of course the planes can still be seen on conventional radar, but the planes are just nameless blips now.

* What did the radar show of the planes' flight paths? We'll never see the real records, for sure. But in the spy movies, when the spy wants to lose a tail, he gets a double to lead the tail one way while the spy goes the other. If I were designing Operation 911, I'd do that: As each of the original jets is flying, another jet is sent to fly just above or below it, at the same latitude and longitude. The blips of the two planes merge on the radar scopes. Alternately, a plane is sent to cross the flight path of the original plane. Again, the blips merge, just like the little bees you're watching outside the hive. The original planes proceed to the military airfield and air traffic control is thoroughly confused, watching the wrong blips ...

That's probably close to the way it was managed. Like I say, we'll never see the radar records so we won't know exactly.

[For the alleged flight paths of the four jets, see
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/4flights.html
For names and locations of military airfields in the US, try
http://www.globemaster.de/bases.html
You can search for a listing of bases in 9-11 related states by using the search engine.]
* A small remote controlled commuter jet filled with incendiaries/explosives -- a cruise missile, if you like -- is flown into the first WTC tower. That's the plane the first NBC eyewitness saw.

* The remote controlled "Pseudo Flight 175," decked out to look like a United airlines passenger jet, is sent aloft and flown by remote control -- without passengers -- and crashed into the second tower.

Beautiful! Everyone has pictures of that.

Why did Pseudo Flight 175 almost miss the second tower? Because the remote operators were used to smaller, more maneuverable craft, not a big stubborn passenger jet. The operators brought the jet in on a tight circle and almost blew it because those jets do hairpin turns like the Queen Mary. They brought it in too fast and too close to do the job right and just hit the corner of the tower.

* Then another remote controlled commuter jet filled with incendiaries/explosives -- a cruise missile if you like -- hits the Pentagon, in the name of Flight 77.

* Eyewitnesses are a dime a dozen. Trusted media whores "witness" the Pentagon hit and claim it was an American Airlines Boeing 757, Flight 77. Reporters lie better than lawyers.

* Meanwhile, the passengers from Flights 11, 175, and 77, now at the military airfield, are loaded onto Flight 93. If you've put some of your own agents aboard, they stay on the ground, of course.

* Flight is taken aloft.

* Flight 93 is shot down or bombed -- makes no difference which. Main deal is to destroy that human meat without questions. Easiest way to dispose of 15,000 lbs. of human flesh, and nobody gets a headline if they find a foot in their front garden. No mass graves will ever be discovered, either.

* The trail is further confused by issuing reports that Flight 77 was actually headed towards the White House but changed course.

* The trail is further confused by having the Washington Post wax lyrical about the flying skills of non-existent pilots on a non-existence plane (Flight 77).

* The trail is further confused with conflicting reports and artificial catfight issues, such as -- did The Presidential Shrub really see the first tower hit on TV while he was waiting to read the story about the pet goat ...

So we know the Boeing that used to be Flight 93 was blown up. The other three original Boeings (Flights 11, 175, 77) still exist somewhere, unless they were cut up for scrap.


[CV comments, January 1, 2004: The Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center (AMARC) is located outside Tuscon, Arizona; it is an Air Force aeroplane graveyard and a storehouse for spare parts. The Air Force also uses AMARC to convert discarded planes into remote-controlled drones. See http://www.modern-ruins.com/boneyard/boneyardtext.html
or
http://www.public-action.com/911/airforce-graveyard/index.html

AMARC is one likely repository for the original 911 passenger jets.]

The passengers and crews of Flights 11, 175, 77, and 93 died in an airplane crash, just like the newspapers said. Only for most of them, it was the wrong crash. But that's as close to the truth as the news media likes to get anyway, so it works.

WHY DO IT THAT WAY?
So there you have it. Not four planes. More than four planes. There were the four original Boeing passenger jets that took off from the East Coast airports, the remote controlled Pseudo Flight 175 Boeing, and two small remote controlled jets or cruise missiles. Figure in a couple of extra planes to confuse the flight paths of the original passenger jets.

The four original Boeings had conventional controls. The look-alike Boeing and the two small jets were drones, rigged with remote control. You called it Global Hawk, and that's good enough. The mimic planes could have been piloted or remote controlled.

Why not just install remote control in four passenger jets like you described in NO SUICIDE PILOTS? Here's why: You might get remote control gear installed on a passenger jet so pretty the pilot would not notice, but that would be more work, more time, and more people. Then you would have to control your special plane through maintenance dispatch and try to get it lined up for that day, that time, that flight. Then you would have to multiply those efforts by four. There would be too many chances of things going wrong. Plane substitution would be much simpler. You'd just need the NORAD insiders, the personnel at the military airfield, and maybe an agent or two inside the FAA air traffic control system to make sure things go smooth. That should not be too difficult because NORAD has sent lots of its people over to the FAA to work on the FAA radars.

[CV comments:
Gen. Eberhart, NORAD commander, told the Senate Armed Services Committee on October 25, 2001 that " . . . we've actually moved manpower on the order of about 200 people over the years to the FAA to operate these radars." Cited in Did NORAD Send The 'Suicide' Jets? Part 2. See Eberhart testimony at:
http://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/HomelandDefenseTranscript.doc
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/eberhart-testimony.html ]
Some people have suggested the original passenger planes were used with the flight computers hacked and loaded with the collision coordinates for the targets. Maybe the job could have been done that way, but it was not. You know for sure it was not because flight computers do not fly planes the way those were flown. A flight computer is given a set of GPS points (geographic coordinates) to follow, and the computer charts the path between them, correcting for cross-winds and other errors. The flight computer flies smooth and gentle, the way passengers like it, without jerky corrections.

You know Flight 175 was not on that system when it hit the south tower because it came in fast (they say) in a tight hooking circle that almost missed the tower. An autopilot wouldn't make that mistake. The crash of flight 175 was not a preprgrammed flight computer finding the optimum path. What you see there in the path of 175 is a real-time controller fighting the physics of flight - and almost losing it.

You've already dealt with the Joe Vialls Home Run explanation, so I don't have to analyze that again.

[http://www.Public-Action.com/911/noradsend.html ]
I've seen another lame attempt to explain away what happened: Supposedly AWACS (airborne military communications) hit the planes with EMF (radio blast) and knocked out their manual electronics, then took over the 9-11 planes by remote and made them crash. That's a pipe dream. Anything that knocked out the electronics from a distance would turn a plane into a flying scrap heap. Those plane are completely dependent on electronics, and no remote beam could pick and choose which circuits to destroy and which to leave intact.

OTHER DETAILS
* Pentagon Security Photos: On March 7 CNN released four photographs taken by Pentagon security camera on September 11, 2001. Look at the photos:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/index.htm

The Washington Post says: "The first photo shows a small, blurry, white object near the upper right corner -- possibly the plane just a few feet about the ground," but admits "the hijacked American Airlines plane is not clearly visible." ("New Photos Show Attack on Pentagon," March 7, 2002. )

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56670-2002Mar7.html

Yeah, right, you can believe that the American Airlines plane is not visible.

* Fireman's Video of First Crash. The NBC eyewitness said the plane that flew into the North tower was small. This is corroborated by the fireman's video taken on September 11:

http://www.xemox.net/wtc/movies/first.plane.hits.gp.med.asf

[Note to reader: There are other versions of this clip on the Internet, but I have been unable to find one I can verify as the original clip. If you can find a verifiable copy, let me know. CV <SkyWriter@Public.Action.com>]

In that clip, the camera shows a fireman with other workers casually discussing some street work. The fireman looks up over his left shoulder, then behind him, as though he is following a sound. The camera follows his gaze, finds nothing at the original location, then quickly moves to a shot of the WTC, visible through another corridor in the surrounding buildings.

Why does the cameraman focus on the WTC? I can only guess he heard the impact of the plane. The camera does not show the plane in the air prior to impact, so I assume it has already crashed.

In the first frames we see a puff of smoke from the impact site that grows into a cloud and erupts into flame. After a few seconds, the flame dies down and the smoke dissipates. At that moment, the camera shows the huge S-shaped gash in the side of WTC North.

[CV's comments, January 1, 2004: Another version of the "fireman's video" is now available at :
http://www.serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/north_tower.htm
Footage from that clip shows a large plane - not a small plane - approaching the tower and crashing into it.]


If the wings of a large jet made that gash, the gash should not be S-shaped. The gash should be a straight line like the wings of the jet. But more important: if the impact of the jet made
the gash, the gash should appear at the moment of impact when the camera is first drawn to the building. Instead, it appears AFTER the smoke and flame.

[http://www.public-action.com/911/gamma.jpg
and
http://www.public-action.com/911/911/gamma2.jpg ]


The Hijackers: I have read reports that some of the alleged hijackers are actually still alive. This suggests the hijacker scenario and the resultant mid-air telephone calls to the relatives is pure bull. But I can't verify the alleged hijackers are still alive, so let's move on.

It would be easy for the 9-11 planners to collect the names of people with Muslim-sounding names who were taking flying lessons around the country. Just before 9-11 happens, they are disappeared. Then mid-air phone calls are created, reporting hijackers who were never aboard the planes. That would work.

As you and many people have noticed, the Muslim names don't appear on the passenger lists of the four flights. The hijackers names don't even appear on the list of passengers released by United on September 12 -- the list of passengers on Flights 175 and 93.

[http://www.Public-Action.com/911/uapassngerlist ]
Sure it was careless not to put the Arab names on the passenger lists, but nobody's perfect.

Just to show you how scripted the Flight 93 hijacking thing was, think about the alleged phone calls from the passengers on Flight 93 to their next of kin in the moments before the crash. Supposedly, they learned of the attacks on the Pentagon and the WTC with their handy cell phones, and they figured out their own plane was hijacked for a similar purpose. So they decided to be heroes and take the plane away from the hijackers.

According to the Dallas Morning News : "The fourth time Thomas Burnett Jr. phoned his wife, Deena, he acknowledged up front: 'I know we're going to die. There's three of us who are going to do something about it.'"

[Dallas Morning News, "Trapped in the skies, captives fought back," September 17, 2001.
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/dmnheroes ]
Heroic, wasn't it? And not a dry hanky in the house. The heroes of modern America. A high school basketball star, a college rugby player, a forest ranger, a woman police officer ...

But why did it have to be suicide heroism? "They knew their deaths were inevitable, according to some family members with whom they spoke on the phone, and they didn't want thousands more to die with them." It makes a better story, of course: "Suicide Heroes Defeat Suicide Hijackers."

Why did they have to die? The crew was still alive and "herded at knife point to the back of the plane, where the passengers were being held," according to the same report. They weren't dead. If the passengers got control from the hijackers, couldn't the crew fly the plane? Why didn't those brave heroes say things like, "There's a chance we might save this boat"? But they said, "I know we're going to die."

Obviously, this script was concocted in midnight bull sessions like they had in Dustin Hoffman's mansion in "Wag the Dog". And the American public has been trained on weak plots for decades on prime time TV, so they don't WANT to think their way out of a wet paper bag. It spoils the show.

Only the writers and producers of Operation 911 knew that the passengers of Flight 93 had to die. But the temptation was too much, so they put it in the passenger dialog, too. And that's how you know the cell phone calls are just theater, not fact.

By the way, if I was planning this operation, I'd put some fictitious names on the passenger list, so when the flight went down, the media could interview fake relatives. Like that Operation Northwoods plan in which a fake Cuban jet would shoot down a fake American passenger jet. Whoever planned that must have planned to use fake grieving relatives, too.

[http://www.public-action.com/911/northwds.html ]
And then of course I've heard they can do marvelous things with voice simulation. How about that fellow who called his mother from Flight 93 and said "Mom, this is Mark Bingham." That has all the truth of a plaster fish trophy. That one guy, Todd Beamer, with the pregnant wife -- she didn't talk to him directly, she just got a message from the answering service.

["The Final Moments of Flight 93," September 22, 2001, by Karen Breslau (NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/632626.asp
or
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/finalmoments93
The state of the art in voice simulation is the subject of a Washingon Post news article, "When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing" found at http://public-action.com/911/voice-simulation/index.html ]
Is this all too much for your to swallow? Don't you believe people would conspire to pull all this off? Well, look at the stakes. This current war will go on for years and blot out one of the world's great religions, legitimize military rule in the United States, redistribute the world's oil resources, and change the entire power structure of planet Earth. All that's needed to make it happen is ambition, chutzpah, "a few good men," and a nation that is willing to be deceived.

The problem with people like you when you try to understand events like this, you are not a trained killer. When you come to wiping out the whoever, you shrink back. That's normal. That is one of the things you have to train out of a soldier.

But when a soldier plans something like this, he doesn't flinch at the killing. He just takes that into the plans like one more or one less egg in the omelet. If he has to kill the enemy or Americans or even himself, it doesn't matter because sometimes he has to do that to win. He's trained that way.

The only thing that matters is the Objective. Whatever a soldier has to do to win the Objective, that is what he has to do. All of this false piety about suicide bombers is nuts. Well trained Americans would do that if you ordered them to. If they didn't, they weren't well trained.

So you have to kill a hundred, a thousand, or five thousand civilians, you just do it in the best way that will help the Objective.


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[The article was revised on September 28, 2004. Notes added as indicated.]

See also:
Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS
by Carol A. Valentine, October 6, 2001
There were no "suicide" pilots on those September 11 jets. The jets were controlled by advanced robotics and remote control technology, not hijackers.
Did NORAD Send The "Suicide" Jets? Part 1: Inside Job
by Carol A. Valentine, February 12, 2002
NORAD, charged with keeping American skies safe, didn't show up on September 11, leaving the remote controlled jets to do their work. Coincidentally, NORAD is one of the world's experts on remote controlled aircraft. NORAD had the means, and provided the opportunity, for making 9-11 happen. Discussion of radar anomalies.
Did NORAD Send The "Suicide" Jets? Part 2: The Dumb Blondes
by Carol A. Valentine, February 25, 2002
NORAD claims it sent defensive jets aloft on 9-11, but America's top generals give contradictory accounts before the Senate. They act like dumb blondes — they can scarcely remember which plane hit which target. NORAD blames the FAA for the catastrophe, but the Senate doesn't bother calling the FAA. More radar anomalies.
When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
by William M. Arkin, in a guest appearance, February 1, 1999
But what about the cell phone calls to relatives from passengers on the doomed planes? The Special Operations Command gives us the answer to that question — but it's not the same answer you heard on network news. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
Flight Of The Bumble Planes
by Snake Plissken, as told to Carol A. Valentine, March 10, 2002
Snake Plissken tells us how remote controlled planes and radar trickery were used to pull off Operation 9-11. "Magic is the pretended performance of those things which cannot be done." By George, I think he's got it!
Pentagon RESCUE? Parts I through IV: Open, Bloody Questions . . .
by Carol A. Valentine, June 23, 2002
On 9-11, the most important mission was to extinguish the fire and rescue the victims. So why did they spray water on an aviation fuel fire? Instead of lifting the debris off the victims, why did they use a wrecking ball to collapse the ruins on top of them? Your journey begins here . . .
Pentagon RESCUE? Part V: The Seven Minute Fire
by Carol A. Valentine, August 18, 2002
After the publication of "Pentagon RESCUE? Part IV: Open, Bloody Questions," the Ministry of Truth publicized a little-known article claiming foam was used on 9-11, and that the "bulk" of the fire was extinguished in seven minutes! Then what did we all watch on TV, burning for days after?
Taliban Home Video
by Carol A. Valentine, October 15, 2001
If the US and its pals could fake such a video — and they're easy to fake, either with morphing or stand-in impersonators — why wouldn't they? And they did.
9/11 Terror: Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics!
by J. McMichael, October 23, 2001
Using jet fuel to melt steel is an amazing discovery, really. It is also amazing that until now, no one had been able to get it to work, and that proves the terrorists were not stupid people.
Press Uses Actors in War On Islam
by Carol a. Valentine, November 11, 2001
The Washington Times has faked two photos in its coverage of the War On Islam. One actor was used twice: first cast as an enemy of America, then nine days later, as a friend of America.
Tooth Fairies and Suicide Bombers
by Carol A. Valentine, May 9, 2002
Why would vengeful Palestinians blow themselves up? Why not just leave the package, walk away, and strike again next week? Funny how the Israelis identify the bombers immediately, and distribute nice color portrait shots of the culprits immediately. Funny, the IRA didn't use suicide bombers. Other funny things.
Merry Christmas, and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!
by Carol A. Valentine, May 15, 2002
What does the establishment of a world-wide Jewish theocracy have to do with the events of 9-11? Everything. If the Jews who rule America have their way, freedom of religion will soon be a thing of the past, and rabbinical courts will rule the world.
911 Lawsuit Is A Booby Trap
by Carol A. Valentine, March 3, 2004
Mrs. Ellen Mariani, a 911 widow, has filed a RICO suit against George W. Bush et al. to discover the truth about 911. But her lawyer, Philip J. Berg, has written a complaint that protects the real culprits. It is littered with gross errors and malpractice. Berg is a suicide bus driver taking Ellen Mariani's quest for truth on a one-way trip to oblivion.
See other 9-11 articles by Carol A. Valentine at http://www.public-action.com/
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VERY WELL DONE MIKE;BTW; ALL THIS INFO IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON INFOWARS.COM...but you did an astounding job in presenting these facts...I have done extensive reading and watching of videos concerning 911...I think we all know what REALLY happened that day.......GOVERNMENT ?????...AMERICAN PEOPLE 0:eek:

VERY WELL DONE MIKE;BTW; ALL THIS INFO IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON INFOWARS.COM...but you did an astounding job in presenting these facts...I have done extensive reading and watching of videos concerning 911...I think we all know what REALLY happened that day.......GOVERNMENT ?????...AMERICAN PEOPLE 0:eek:

I dont.

What really happened that day?

If you think 1,000,000+ cubic TONS of concrete and steel can be destroyed by 27 cubic METERS of jet fuel in less than one hour (South Tower) and in 1.6 hours (North Tower)*, then I feel sorry for you.

* From NIST

I dont.

What really happened that day?

Reading has its benefits.

If you think 1,000,000+ cubic TONS of concrete and steel can be destroyed by 27 cubic METERS of jet fuel in less than one hour (South Tower) and in 1.6 hours (North Tower)*, then I feel sorry for you.

* From NIST

It can take less time.
Simple sience.

The Islamic Resistance did it. Jews and their collaborators knew of it and had a hand in it (setting explosives in building 7 and maybe the towers).

Nearly right, Mossad knew about it but did nothing to stop it. ZOG did not actually do it.

Remember I am an honest Jew who is quite open about working for ZOG etc so this is the TRUTH.

If you think 1,000,000+ cubic TONS of concrete and steel can be destroyed by 27 cubic METERS of jet fuel in less than one hour (South Tower) and in 1.6 hours (North Tower)*, then I feel sorry for you.

* From NIST


If you think someone could wire a 110 story building for demolition with no evidence or witnesses left behind, I feel sorry for you.

My theory about 9/11.

Modern jumbo jets have autopilot capability. What most people don't know is that a jumbo jet can be remotely put into auto-pilot mode, and controlled from the ground. This option is available in case there is loss of cabin pressure and the pilot passes out, or in the case of the airplane needing to be controlled from the ground because of a hijacking. This equipment is made and manufactured in Israel.

So, on 9/11, the Israelis (operating from the ground) used the codes that disable on-board control and put the planes into ground-controlled mode. This explains how the Israelis knew in advance the time and place of the attacks. They could place their bets on the stock-market, have a 4-man camera crew posing as movers, and tell all their fellow jews to stay home that day.

Also, this is why the 19-Arab-hijacker issue is such a murky one. There were Arabs whose faces appeared in newspapers as being the terrorists, yet they were alive and well, despite government claims that they perished on the planes.

Only 2 Israelis died in 911. I guess they didn't get the IM.

I think the Norwegians are behind 9/11.
No Norwegian died on a plane, in NY or in Washington.
The national currency is the krone, translated in crown.

None of the planes crashed on 9/11 were from the Crown airline company

coincidence? I think not........

IMO they played probably a nominal role, perhaps in an advisory capacity.

What is more likely is that the CIA knew of this happening (months) in advance and the republikuds (pushed by their sponsors) acted to aid in the fall of the towers by "prepping" them.

Zionist thinktanks were responsible for the yellow cake faking and advisory writeups like "a clean break" to the presidents staff. So they were definitely complicent. But that is only the half of it (securing Israel's hegemony in the middle east).

The other side of this coin is our out of control military industrial complex which saw billions of dollars in their eyes (at the behest of the american taxpayer) when they were made aware of this impending attack. These groups have far more liquid cash than the jews do. The jews no doubt played a role in this, but where not the primary financial force behind it.

If you think someone could wire a 110 story building for demolition with no evidence or witnesses left behind, I feel sorry for you.

Actually it is not that hard. You don't need to wire every floor. Only a little over 10 key areas to weaken what would become an already weakened structure. It could easily be done at night with coverts guised as janitors, contruction crews, building repairmen, whatever.

You have to remember that many people experienced with building demolition have looked at the remains of these sites and have concluded over and over again that thermite and other demolition warez were used.

where is your proof that no jews died on 9-11

See how many Jewish surnames you can find at the link provided.

A dozen? A couple dozen? In downtown Manhattan, aka Greater Tel Aviv, in the World Trade Center? The very heart of the global Jewish financial district?

And only 10 or 20 Jewish names on the victims' list when easily thousands of Jews/Israelies would have worked there on any given day. Oh, they knew those planes were inbound that morning. Read about Odigo and 9-11. They have their own little warning network.

http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm

It's all taken care of...

Someday they'll probably rewrite history and claim thirty thousand died. With 2/3rds of them being persons of Jewish extraction. Such sufferink...

I think the Norwegians are behind 9/11.
No Norwegian died on a plane, in NY or in Washington.
The national currency is the krone, translated in crown.

None of the planes crashed on 9/11 were from the Crown airline company

coincidence? I think not........

Ah your clever logic is almost unassailable. No Norwegians on the flights = must have been Norway. Touche.

Except we Americans are not currently involved in a multi-trillion (deficit spending of debt) dollar war against Norway's enemies. We are, however, involved in just such a war with the perceived enemies of Israel's hegemony over the middle east and its vast oil resources.

Cui bono? Israel, of course. And only Israel. In the short term at least.

Come to think of it, Norway doesn't have any enemies. How nice and white of those Nordic Norwegians. Israel on the other hand has enemies all over the world. Indeed, perhaps the entire world, excepting its attack poodle America and the long-since conquered and subdued merry old England.

And with great reason is that shitty little country of backwards religious fanatics and greedy financial parasites universally despised: Israel's disgusting and unpardonable behavior in the region and its ongoing status as the world's premier rogue terror state founded on the widespread oppression and indiscriminate murder of Palestine's native people.

So your cute little attempt at wit is rebuked, jew boy. Run along little troll. Find another bridge to hide under as you lie in wait for passersby to assail.

Ah your clever logic is almost unassailable. No Norwegians on the flights = must have been Norway. Touche.

Except we Americans are not currently involved in a multi-trillion (deficit spending of debt) dollar war against Norway's enemies. We are, however, involved in just such a war with the perceived enemies of Israel's hegemony over the middle east and its vast oil resources.

Cui bono? Israel, of course. And only Israel. In the short term at least.

Come to think of it, Norway doesn't have any enemies. How nice and white of those Nordic Norwegians. Israel on the other hand has enemies all over the world. Indeed, perhaps the entire world, excepting its attack poodle America and the long-since conquered and subdued merry old England.

And with great reason is that shitty little country of backwards religious fanatics and greedy financial parasites universally despised: Israel's disgusting and unpardonable behavior in the region and its ongoing status as the world's premier rogue terror state founded on the widespread oppression and indiscriminate murder of Palestine's native people.

So your cute little attempt at wit is rebuked, jew boy. Run along little troll. Find another bridge to hide under as you lie in wait for passersby to assail.

Wit? What wit? I'm bloody serious. Because you know where the trolls come from, right? http://www.norwayshop.com/trollshop/

Don't trust the norwegians, they're evil!!!

Remember I am an honest Jew who is quite open about working for ZOG etc so this is the TRUTH.


Honest Jew?

No such creature exists.

You poisonous bastards are the only group who benefited from 911. A few days after 911 some Mossad Kikes were confronted by Mexican Trade unionists in the Mexican Parliament and on searching them they were found to be carrying hand grenades and explosive as well as guns. This was kept VERY QUIET by the Kike controlled media.

WTF were Kikes with BOMBS doing INSIDE Mexico's parliament Jew boy?

Blow it up and blame Arabs?

Imagine some Mexicans are found carrying bombs and guns inside Israel's Knesset. What an Oy Veh that would produce eh?

Al Queda doesn't exist.

Honest Jew?

No such creature exists.

You poisonous bastards are the only group who benefited from 911. A few days after 911 some Mossad Kikes were confronted by Mexican Trade unionists in the Mexican Parliament and on searching them they were found to be carrying hand grenades and explosive as well as guns. This was kept VERY QUIET by the Kike controlled media.

WTF were Kikes with BOMBS doing INSIDE Mexico's parliament Jew boy?

Blow it up and blame Arabs?

Imagine some Mexicans are found carrying bombs and guns inside Israel's Knesset. What an Oy Veh that would produce eh?

Al Queda doesn't exist.

Do you make this shit up?