I see some of you have a very antagonistic attitude towards Elisha. Despite reading many of the threads, I still am not sure why. What exactly has she done that causes such anger towards her? Maybe I am missing something?
Anyway, I would like to offer my feelings in the matter.

I met Elisha a few years ago. I believe it was March, 2003, at a NA meeting, the only one I ever attended. I was quite impressed by her. For one, she is not bad looking, so all you childish punks can stop with your cheap shots. Jesus, you are just as bad as jews.
Second, she was very nice, and quite smart. She listened when you spoke to her, never interrupted, commented appropriately and intelligently, and was very polite. She also had a keen sense of humor. It turned out to be a genuine pleasure meeting her.

When this story about KAS first came out, my first thought was he was being a victim of a lie brought about by a woman scorned. Well, it seems I was wrong.
Even then, I somewhat held it against Elisha for speaking out against her husband.
But, for one, I did not know all the details of the relationship, and two, I finally realized it must have been very difficult for her to realize her husband lusted (or even more odd, had romantic(!) feelings) for children. So, I think she should be given some slack here.
Finally, I see that many condemn her for staying with him when she found out. Well, I actually give her some credit for that. Jesus, he was her husband; it is hard to break a bond at the snap of a finger. And, she also probably felt some sense of loyalty. It must have been very, very difficult for her. Like I said, give her a break.

As for her attitude towards the so-called racialists, look at how she was treated here. People calling her a cunt, and every other foul name you can imagine. Combine that with the fact that she really does present her arguments very competently, and from what I have seen, most of you do not. Some do. Most don't. Fact is, she is smarter than most of you people. Taking all that into account, can you really blame her for her attitude towards most people here?

See? This is what happens when you invite the wrong sort of people to be guests on FTL. It goes to their head. This guy isn't going to shut up now, because he thinks everything he has to say ought to be Holy writ.

Who cares about any Strom anymore, Kevin or Elisha?:mad:

I've never met Elisha, got nothing against her. The evidence against KAS is suffice to label him as totally unfit. Case closed.

I Don't care about this shit. It's divisive, and counter-productive. Most of the non-trolls on the forum could give a fuck. It's not relevant to what we are trying to do, which is build White media and provide non-Jewed information.

Damn, I miss AE running the forum. The forum, even through the NA implosion, never got trolled this much.

Just drop this shit.

I agree that insulting and picking on a woman when she has been going through a tough time is not what a Gentleman would do. I don't care about their relationship or the details about the break in the marrige.
I hope things get better for her and I am sure they will.

As far as Kein Strom is concerned....

I never liked him. I think he has some serious mental illnesses to deal with.

I think there are several reasons for the virulent attitudes towards Elisha Strom, some of them you have touched on.

I don't know her or any of the players in this drama personally. There appear to be some participants on these forums who do and some of those seem to have not liked her before all of this started up so she became a convenient and welcome target for blame when the shtf.

Many are clearly misogynists so an articulate wife who doesn't back down at the snap of a male finger again presented a convenient and welcome target for blame.

Then there are those who are nothing more than thinly veiled pedos themselves and are hostile that little Kevin's proclivities are even viewed in a negative light, so the wife who helped "bring him down" is clearly an enemy and representative of the majority of people who stand against their degenerate lusts and activities.

There are a wide variety of reasons for the negative reactions, most of them seem to revolve around denial and self-interest, but overall I would have to guess that the majority of people would support her in the ultimate actions she took. What other course of action could a responsible and decent person opt for? As for the crudeness of the responses well, I guess you just have to consider the source. If she didn't have a thick skin to begin with, I expect she has developed one by now and it will probably serve her well in the future.

Obadia:
See? This is what happens when you invite the wrong sort of people to be guests on FTL. It goes to their head. This guy isn't going to shut up now, because he thinks everything he has to say ought to be Holy writ.
What a cheap shot.
Goes to my head? Trust me, beating you morons in an argument hardly goes to my head. To tell the truth, I actually feel like a bully proving how stupid so many of you are.

Hibernian:
It's not relevant to what we are trying to do, which is build White media and provide non-Jewed information.
This is a DISCUSSION forum. That is what I am here to do; discuss various topics of interest.

I think there are several reasons for the virulent attitudes towards Elisha Strom, some of them you have touched on.

1. Elisha Strom is an ugly psychotic bitch.
2. Elisha Strom is an unsightly crazed cunt.
3. Elisha Strom is a hideous cackling witch.

Did I mention she enriches the meaning the word unattractive, she's as vindictive as the old hags from the First Wives Club, and she's totally off her rocker?

bwok bwok bwok elisha bwok bwoooook bwokbwokbwok kevin bwok.

Sandor, points 1, 2, and 3 are basically the same.
Instead of just hurling invectives, why do you feel that way?

You say Elisha is vindictive. Isn't that kind of understandable in this case?

The one, the only

http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/dr_phil.jpg says:

Sandor, points 1, 2, and 3 are basically the same.
Instead of just hurling invectives, why do you feel that way?

You say Elisha is vindictive. Isn't that kind of understandable in this case?

Sandor, points 1, 2, and 3 are basically the same.
Instead of just hurling invectives, why do you feel that way?

You say Elisha is vindictive. Isn't that kind of understandable in this case?

I'm just telling it like it is.

http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/dr_phil.jpg

Steve, your defense of Elisha - it's not really about Elisha, is it? These feelings of yours stem from some deep-seated needs, such as the unconditional positive regard you never experienced as a child. You've got to own your feelings, Steve. Remember, we teach people how to treat us.

Elisha came to VNN as a regular poster. She convinced Alex to make her a mod. She abused her mod priviledges by modifying the parameters of the rep system and tried to send a virus to another board member... she doesn't deny this.

Who cares about any Strom anymore, Kevin or Elisha?:mad:

I've never met Elisha, got nothing against her. The evidence against KAS is suffice to label him as totally unfit. Case closed.

I Don't care about this shit. It's divisive, and counter-productive. Most of the non-trolls on the forum could give a fuck. It's not relevant to what we are trying to do, which is build White media and provide non-Jewed information.

Damn, I miss AE running the forum. The forum, even through the NA implosion, never got trolled this much.

Just drop this shit.

My thoughts exactly! Why can't she be a thing of the past? Let's move forward, don't keep hashing around all the negative press her & the little perv cost our movement. I for one, will be glad when I never hear their names again!
And Steve since you are so concerned about her...why don't you & elisha start your own forum, date, start your own little tribe, whatever floats you two's boat. In other words...get lost and stay there!;)

Sandor:
I'm just telling it like it is.

That does not even come close to answering my question.
See, this is just the sort of thing I am talking about. From what I have seen in Elisha, Jane Doe#5, and SOME others here, they do not merely make a claim, they support their view with some sort of argument. Jesus, anybody can make statements. For them to have any weight, they need to be supported with evidence, reasoning, etc.

As for the rest of your post, I assume it is not meant to be serious.

Todd:
Elisha came to VNN as a regular poster. She convinced Alex to make her a mod. She abused her mod priviledges by modifying the parameters of the rep system and tried to send a virus to another board member... she doesn't deny this.
OK, at least that is a relevent answer.
First, that Alex made her a mod, isn't that evidence that maybe Elisha had some worthwhile traits, that she could be trusted? But, admitted, Alex's judgment could have been in error.
Two, the rep system. Todd, I heard you all pissed off about that on a Goyfire episode by the way.
I found your reaction kind of amusing. (I do not mean that in a negative way.)
Now, if I recall the sequence of events correctly (and I admit, I may be wrong), that rep system stuff happened after she was attacked in the cruelest and cheapest of ways. And, if her retaliation was monkeying around with something as unimportant as a rep system, then quite frankly, so what?
Three, sending someone a virus. Well, I will admit, that seems more serious. And she did admit to it? Well, if she did indeed do that in retaliation for barbs, no matter how crude, then I would object to that. However, I would like to hear her side then.

Look, if absolutely nobody gives a shit, then fine. But, in order to ascertain what is what, questions need to be asked and answers are needed from all sides. I can't just take one side's word for it.
What is unreasonable about that?

Brasher: And Steve since you are so concerned about her...why don't you & elisha start your own forum, date, start your own little tribe, whatever floats you two's boat. In other words...get lost and stay there!
Another brilliant answer. Look, if you are not interested, then don't reply. It really is as simple as that. If nobody replied to anything I wrote, then naturally, I'd go away. But, some people seem to be interested.

Fuck this thread, the strom family and steve1957.

Go talk about these fucking nutjobs on stormfront... :rolleyes:

Fuck this thread, the strom family and steve1957.

Go talk about these fucking nutjobs on stormfront... :rolleyes:


My sentiments exactly. I'll bet the cunt got Stevey to start this thread in the first place. She's not called the manipulator for nothing.

My sentiments exactly. I'll bet the cunt got Stevey to start this thread in the first place. She's not called the manipulator for nothing.

Steve is a troll. Read his posts. Lot's of Jew defense in them. Unfortunately many of his posts were lost due to the recent web site troubles at VNN. You would have been able to read his defense of voting for the nigger Obama. He loves using subtle forms of mockery too. I think it is pretty safe to pronounce Steve1957-:[]troll. Steve1957 join date-Dec 2007

Sandor:

That does not even come close to answering my question.
See, this is just the sort of thing I am talking about. From what I have seen in Elisha, Jane Doe#5, and SOME others here, they do not merely make a claim, they support their view with some sort of argument. Jesus, anybody can make statements. For them to have any weight, they need to be supported with evidence, reasoning, etc.


1. Elisha Strom is an ugly

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg

2. Elisha Strom is an unsightly

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg


3. Elisha Strom is a hideous

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg

Did I mention she enriches the meaning the word unattractive,

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg

That's one third proved.

I met Elisha a few years ago. I believe it was March, 2003, at a NA meeting, the only one I ever attended. I was quite impressed by her. For one, she is not bad looking, so all you childish punks can stop with your cheap shots. Jesus, you are just as bad as jews.

Second, she was very nice, and quite smart. She listened when you spoke to her, never interrupted, commented appropriately and intelligently, and was very polite. She also had a keen sense of humor. It turned out to be a genuine pleasure meeting her.

Yes, this is my experience with her. Just cuz people are WN doesn't mean they're not morons. The facts about Elisha, as with so many things, are more interesting than, and quite a bit different from, the hype.

You're not a pedophile, are you Sandor?

She abused her mod priviledges by modifying the parameters of the rep system and tried to send a virus to another board member... she doesn't deny this.

Rep Wars (and more) (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=53433&highlight=wars)


-Jim

Originally Posted by Todd in FL
She abused her mod priviledges by modifying the parameters of the rep system and tried to send a virus to another board member... she doesn't deny this.
Rep Wars (and more) (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=53433&highlight=wars)


-Jim

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif Todd is rep-obsessed. Rep is life and death for Todd. DON'T mess with the rep!! http://bestsmileys.com/nono/1.gif

Having said that I can tell you what is likely to happen next. Todd will hit me with a red dot, which I will handle in my own special way :D then, the next time the system lets me, I will give it back to him. At present I believe I owe him two. Yes, I keep track - because Todd feels it's sooooooo important http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/8.gif

Yes, this is my experience with her. Just cuz people are WN doesn't mean they're not morons. The facts about Elisha, as with so many things, are more interesting than, and quite a bit different from, the hype.

You're not a pedophile, are you Sandor?

No. I'm just a regular ephebophile. :D :rofl :rolleyes:

http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/dr_phil.jpg

This isn't really about my sexuality Alex, it's about your emotions. Your anger is nothing more than an outward expression of the hurt, fear and frustration you have experienced through your unrequited feelings for Elisha. Failure is no accident: if you want more, you have to require more from yourself.

Alex, it's time to get real. When you are able find your authentic self, that person you can truly love, you will realise that it's better to be healthy alone than sick with Elisha. Sometimes you've just gotta give yourself what you wish you were getting from someone else.

Don't forget to buy my book.

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/17/0906_tv_01_drphil.jpg

No. I'm just a regular ephebophile. :D :rofl :rolleyes:


I hope you realize "Ephebe" (éphêbos) describes PRE-TEEN BOYS... :eek:

KMRATHELL:
Steve is a troll. Read his posts. Lot's of Jew defense in them. Unfortunately many of his posts were lost due to the recent web site troubles at VNN. You would have been able to read his defense of voting for the nigger Obama. He loves using subtle forms of mockery too. I think it is pretty safe to pronounce Steve1957-troll.
You have to be one of the densest assholes here.
Now, as my custom, I do not just make the charge, but will support it with facts.

1) Read all of my posts. Look at how many of them name the perfidious jew. How can anyone can read my posts and "deduce" I defend jews?
2) I asked before, I am not sure what you mean by "troll".
3) You would have been able to read his defense of voting for the nigger Obama.
I would think you would have been embarrassed to even bring this up. All that exchange did was prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, what a boob you are.

Here is what it was all about. I'll try to be brief.
Jim Giles expressed disgust at Ron Paul, in part due to the Rosa Parks thing.
I also have expressed disgust at Ron Paul for the Rosa Parks comment.
Jim said that due to personal reasons, he will vote democrat.
KM, as is typical, replied with a nothing type post, insulting Jim.
I defended Jim, and basically attacked KM, for his stupid, pointless post.
From that, KM said I was a "nigger lover" because I defended Jim's voting for Obama. (Though neither Jim or I said anything about voting for Obama!)
Now, let's look at this. For one, voting democratic does NOT imply one would vote for Obama.
For two, voting for OBAMA does not even make one a "nigger lover".
But here is the most telling proof of just how fucking stupid KM is. Read carefully, it involves some third grade logic, so many of you might have a tough time following.
I am pissed off at Ron Paul BECAUSE OF HIS PRAISE FOR ROSA PARKS.
So, I express disgust for Ron Paul, and defend Giles' attitude. From that, KM "deduces" I am a "nigger lover"! Hey, shithead, my original reason for disliking Ron Paul is evidence that I am NOT a "nigger lover". Jesus christ, my neighbor's dog would not even make such a stupid conclusion as KM did.

Steve1957 join date-Dec 2007
First, I posted here years ago. Second, I have visited this site since its inception.
Three, what does my (re)join date have to do with anything anyway?

Subrosa:
I'll bet the cunt got Stevey to start this thread in the first place.

You probably ARE so sure of it. That is another point I will make.
You moronic shits have no idea what evidence is, what points are, what conclusions are, etc.
With you assholes, suspicions become facts. I thought only silly, jealous wives were like that.
You people aren't men here.

Sandor
The same picture 3 times

First, I SAW Elisha. She looks better than that picture.
Second, even if she was stone ugly, that has nothing to do with her character; it is irrelevent. You are doing what a jew does. Use cheap shots to sway people to your side.

Yankee Jim:
She abused her mod priviledges ...

Jim, I already addressed that. I see it as a (at worst) childish prank, in response to the cheap insults hurled at her.

Jesus fucking christ, I can't believe grown men attach any significance at all to some "rep system".

I hope you realize "Ephebe" (éphêbos) describes PRE-TEEN BOYS... :eek:

Ephebophilia, from the Greek
έφηβος (ephebos) "adolescent" and φιλία (philia) "love/friendship",
is a condition in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to postpubescent adolescents

In Rome, where the elite (mainly Patrician) were often sent to Greece or received Greek teachers, the Greek word was adopted in the latinate form ephebus (pl. ephebi), and fixed at the 16–20 age bracket.

Oh I guess I am a Ephebophil as well.

KMRATHELL:

You have to be one of the densest assholes here.
Now, as my custom, I do not just make the charge, but will support it with facts.

1) Read all of my posts. Look at how many of them name the perfidious jew. How can anyone can read my posts and "deduce" I defend jews?
2) I asked before, I am not sure what you mean by "troll".
3)
I would think you would have been embarrassed to even bring this up. All that exchange did was prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, what a boob you are.

Here is what it was all about. I'll try to be brief.
Jim Giles expressed disgust at Ron Paul, in part due to the Rosa Parks thing.
I also have expressed disgust at Ron Paul for the Rosa Parks comment.
Jim said that due to personal reasons, he will vote democrat.
KM, as is typical, replied with a nothing type post, insulting Jim.
I defended Jim, and basically attacked KM, for his stupid, pointless post.
From that, KM said I was a "nigger lover" because I defended Jim's voting for Obama. (Though neither Jim or I said anything about voting for Obama!)
Now, let's look at this. For one, voting democratic does NOT imply one would vote for Obama.
For two, voting for OBAMA does not even make one a "nigger lover".
But here is the most telling proof of just how fucking stupid KM is. Read carefully, it involves some third grade logic, so many of you might have a tough time following.
I am pissed off at Ron Paul BECAUSE OF HIS PRAISE FOR ROSA PARKS.
So, I express disgust for Ron Paul, and defend Giles' attitude. From that, KM "deduces" I am a "nigger lover"! Hey, shithead, my original reason for disliking Ron Paul is evidence that I am NOT a "nigger lover". Jesus christ, my neighbor's dog would not even make such a stupid conclusion as KM did.


First, I posted here years ago. Second, I have visited this site since its inception.
Three, what does my (re)join date have to do with anything anyway?

You are a shit stirrer doing a poor imitation of someone trying to elicit rational argument. Your jew bashing is johnny come lately. You started the Elisha thread knowing full well it would bring out trouble. Your moronic inference that your age gives you wisdom is laughable. Like I said, you supported Jim "gomer pyle" Giles, the bozo who likes to play idiot, in his quest to vote for Obama. You constantly attack others and really offer little evidence of your position as you claim.

I see some of you have a very antagonistic attitude towards Elisha. Despite reading many of the threads, I still am not sure why. What exactly has she done that causes such anger towards her? Maybe I am missing something?

90 per cent. of the people here can't even give a factual physical description of me. The ones who can deliberately will not because it doesn't suit their agenda. The majority of people who rail the loudest against me have never spoken to me and though there are a few who have met me, and hate me, they never had the guts to say so to my face.

And you're looking for a legitimate explanation from such people?

Elisha came to VNN as a regular poster. She convinced Alex to make her a mod. She abused her mod priviledges by modifying the parameters of the rep system and tried to send a virus to another board member... she doesn't deny this.

1) I was never a mod.
2) Another admin had already modified the rep system.
3) I most certainly have denied sending a virus. You all knew the only way you could get rid of me was if you made things up; that I sent a virus to someone was just one lie out of many told.

She's not called the manipulator for nothing.

Oh, that's right... we used to talk in Stormfront chat -- daily, I believe -- and also VNN chat. I should go find those logs of ours and put them up because you seem to have forgotten all the really nice things you used to say.

1. Elisha Strom is an ugly

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg

2. Elisha Strom is an unsightly

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg


3. Elisha Strom is a hideous

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg

Did I mention she enriches the meaning the word unattractive,

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5a/180px-ElishaStrom.jpg

That's one third proved.

If what you claim is true, then you wouldn't have to keep using an image that inaccurately depicts me.

I never knew her and dont know anything about her history here. I can see why people wouldnt like her for turning on her husband and assisting the law enforcement authorities in building their case, but oddly enough, no one mentions this.

I cant see how something as specific as her being a mod, could be in dispute. Either she was, or she wasnt. Alex linder never corrected that she wasnt, and if she was and she , abused her powers, then i can see why people wouldnt like her for that, too.

I really dont see why anyone cares about her, though. I feel sorry for her. She was married to a total loser.

...but really, who cares?

If what you claim is true, then you wouldn't have to keep using an image that inaccurately depicts me.

Just cuz you're a little over weight doesn't mean you should be denied sex.

With that said you can pm me to set up a time and date... no kissing please.

Just cuz you're a little over weight

:eek:

If 98 pounds is a little overweight... what in the hell do you call skinny?!

1) I was never a mod.
2) Another admin had already modified the rep system.
3) I most certainly have denied sending a virus. You all knew the only way you could get rid of me was if you made things up; that I sent a virus to someone was just one lie out of many told.





Wow. I was just looking for one of your posts with the intention of giving you some positive rep, then I find this.

1) Indeed you were an admin, not a mod. You still haven't explained why then you were deleting posts and threads, which is undoubtedly "mod work".

2) Name this admin so that we can have them explain why "another" admin would modify the settings in the admin control panel to increase only your "rep power" by a full 30 points, from 5 to 35.

3) You've denied altering the control panel settings as well, and we know you did that so, why should we believe you?

Now if I am mistaken in any of those three points, I'll be more than happy to issue a formal apology immediately after you appear on Yankee Jim's show and explain where I am wrong. That is if Jim can fit you in someplace. ;)

Also, my concern in this matter has absolutely nothing to do with your appearance nor your pedophile husband. My concern is of the integrity of the staff and board here at VNN. Although I am somewhat curious as to why you would wait a year to do something about that pedo after discovering what was going on, but maybe you can cover that when Jim interviews you.

I know why the SPLC uses photos that catch people at a bad moment but why do fellow WN join them:confused:
Elisha is, as I remember last seeing her in New Orleans quite attractive.

Now if I am mistaken in any of those three points, I'll be more than happy to issue a formal apology

You would not; you'd just fling out another batch of BS.

http://www.smiliegenerator.de/s34/smilies-2095.png

You would not; you'd just fling out another batch of BS.

http://www.smiliegenerator.de/s34/smilies-2095.png

LOL!

I'm a man of my word. Convince me I'm wrong and I'll apologize for anything I've said about you, as well as the Pokemon card.

KM:
You are a shit stirrer doing a poor imitation of someone trying to elicit rational argument.
What have I said that was not rational?
As for "shit stirrer", I believe I pretty much stay on topic. I do not, for example, bash xianity on a Ron Paul thread.
Ironically, it is YOU who brought the Jim Giles thread up HERE, in the Elisha thread.


Your moronic inference that your age gives you wisdom is laughable.
Where did I do that?

Like I said, you supported Jim "gomer pyle" Giles, the bozo who likes to play idiot, in his quest to vote for Obama.
I defended Giles' completely modest, sincere post from your childish and gratuitous attack on him. Also, I do not recall he said he would vote for Obama. He said he would vote democrat.
The thing is, I do not think you are LYING. I think you are just fucking stupid, who really does not understand the difference.

You constantly attack others and really offer little evidence of your position as you claim.
Hey stupid, all I seem to do IS offer evidence.

Once again, all you do is make statements with NO supporting evidence. Any fool can do that.
Why don't you just suck it up and admit you are wrong.

Convince me I'm wrong

Yeah, see, there's the thing. There's nothing I can say to convince you. I know it and you know it.

and I'll apologize for anything I've said about you, as well as the Pokemon card.I don't want an apology from you. Besides, the Pokemon card was funny.

Elisha:
And you're looking for a legitimate explanation from such people?
What do you think?

No, Elisha, I sincerely thought you were a decent person and were being treated inappropriately here. So, I felt a sort of duty to defend you. Especially since I felt the attacks were immature and premature.

I most certainly have denied sending a virus.
See, Todd. It appears, if she had admitted it, she no longer does. I strongly suspect she NEVER admitted doing that. And I strongly suspect she would be telling the truth.
Also, I see you posted after her post. But yet, you did not even call on her it. It seems to me, you might be too quick with your accusations.
Hardly upright white behavior.

Good work Steve, you got what you wanted out of this thread, more infighting.

Good work Steve, you got what you wanted out of this thread, more infighting.

LOL, like most the people here need an excuse for more infighting.

Ron:
I know why the SPLC uses photos that catch people at a bad moment but why do fellow WN join them
Elisha is, as I remember last seeing her in New Orleans quite attractive.
It is a typical, cheap, jewish trick, and yet the people here go right along.
Who is more deserving of criticism, the SPLC, or the so-called racialists here?
(Now, watch the brilliant logicians here "deduce" that I support the SPLC.)

KM:
Good work Steve, you got what you wanted out of this thread, more infighting.

Look, if I see someone behaving in a lowlife manner, I will point it out.
You are a perfect example of it.

Also, if nobody replied to a person, he would eventually go away. Somebody here must have at least SOME interest in my posts. Accept it, dunce.

Yeah, see, there's the thing. There's nothing I can say to convince you. I know it and you know it.

I don't want an apology from you. Besides, the Pokemon card was funny.

Aside from being a man of my word, I'm also a reasonable man.

Is it that there is nothing you can say to convince us because we supposedly have some prior bias against you, or is there nothing you can say to convince us because you know you did what we said you did and there's no defense for it?

Come on, take Jim up on his offer to let you speak on the air. I assure you that I, at least, will judge your comments fairly.

If I'm not mistaken there may be an open broadcasting slot this evening, I'm sure if there is Jim could throw something together within the next couple of hours.

No, Elisha, I sincerely thought you were a decent person and were being treated inappropriately here. So, I felt a sort of duty to defend you. Especially since I felt the attacks were immature and premature.

Thank you.

Jane:
LOL, like most the people here need an excuse for more infighting.
I know. Look at so many threads. So many erupt into some flamefest.
At least I support my claims.

Most here do nothing more than hurl unsupported insults like a bunch of teenagers.
Jesus, if you people are the "finest" whites have to offer, why bother?

KM:


Look, if I see someone behaving in a lowlife manner, I will point it out.
You are a perfect example of it.

Also, if nobody replied to a person, he would eventually go away. Somebody here must have at least SOME interest in my posts. Accept it, dunce.

You are a troll, and you are good at it. You even got the head man to respond. Cheer up, this thread is almost used up and I am sure you will find more shit to stir real soon. Incidentally, my troll definition is someone who's main goal is to start trouble through lies, inaccurate attacks, name calling, self-embellishment, and pretense of being a friend. You fit the bill on all of the aforementioned.

Don't you think it is rather telling that Alex, the guy who owns the forum, has not condemned Elisha? I mean, if Elisha did do something so wrong here, then why is Alex apparently on her side?
Doesn't that make you significantly consider that maybe the charges against Elisha (as regards to her duties on the forum) are false?

Who cares about any Strom anymore, Kevin or Elisha?:mad:

I've never met Elisha, got nothing against her. The evidence against KAS is suffice to label him as totally unfit. Case closed.

I Don't care about this shit. It's divisive, and counter-productive. Most of the non-trolls on the forum could give a fuck. It's not relevant to what we are trying to do, which is build White media and provide non-Jewed information.

Damn, I miss AE running the forum. The forum, even through the NA implosion, never got trolled this much.

Just drop this shit.

Yep, AE would have sent this thread directly to Nutzpah. What the hell is Dietrich thinking anyway. Oh wait...nvm.

As to Steve1957, I'm thinking of asking the mods to change my username so as not to be confused with the freakin idiot.

Is it that there is nothing you can say to convince us because we supposedly have some prior bias against you, or is there nothing you can say to convince us because you know you did what we said you did and there's no defense for it?

Spin it however you want.

There was a time I actually believed I could convince people like yourself that I was not what they thought or had been told. Now... I just don't care.

:)

Don't you think it is rather telling that Alex, the guy who owns the forum, has not condemned Elisha? I mean, if Elisha did do something so wrong here, then why is Alex apparently on her side?
Doesn't that make you significantly consider that maybe the charges against Elisha (as regards to her duties on the forum) are false?

Oh please, you already know he published is approval of her months ago. You also know others take opposing views. You knew starting this thread would ratchet up the rhetoric. Check Linder's posts, you will see where he defended her months ago. Don't pretend you didn't know it. I am not taking a view on Elisha Strom one way or the other. My point is you started this thread to stir up the shit. This Strom stuff has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseum. Some like her, some don't. Nothing is going to change that.

Don't you think it is rather telling that Alex, the guy who owns the forum, has not condemned Elisha? I mean, if Elisha did do something so wrong here, then why is Alex apparently on her side?
Doesn't that make you significantly consider that maybe the charges against Elisha (as regards to her duties on the forum) are false?

Why yes, it is rather telling.

Actually, when this all happened, months before you showed up here, Alex even offered to allow her to come on the air with him and explain her actions. Did she do so? Nope. Instead she deleted all her posts and hauled ass.

By the way, speaking of hauling ass, didn't Mishko already tell you to get the fuck out?

only pussies delete their posts.

KM:
You are a troll, and you are good at it. You even got the head man to respond. Cheer up, this thread is almost used up and I am sure you will find more shit to stir real soon. Incidentally, my troll definition is someone who's main goal is to start trouble through lies, inaccurate attacks, name calling, self-embellishment, and pretense of being a friend. You fit the bill on all of the aforementioned.
I am actually getting amused at this. I seem to be able to predict all the responses people like you make.

Are you saying that Alex is so malleable by me also? From what I have seen of Alex, I very much doubt it.

I will indeed have more shit to stir, if that means discussing controversial topics. It's funny, I thought people on a free speech forum would not be so shaken up by some unpleasant observations.

"lies": Where did I lie? You see, junior, if I called anyone here a liar, I would make the posts to support it. That is how it is done. Understand?

"inaccurate attacks":
Just saying so does not make it so. Give an example.

"name calling": You are calling me a name-caller? On VNN's forum? You're kidding, right?

"self-embellishment": Examples, please.

"pretense of being a friend": Explain.

Spin it however you want.

There was a time I actually believed I could convince people like yourself that I was not what they thought or had been told. Now... I just don't care.

:)

I know all about "spins" and I see through what you're spinning right now.

Let's see...

You neg repped Bud White and took away 5 points. Minutes later you neg-repped me and took away 35 points.

At the time of both of these incidents you had very few posts and about 2 rep dots.

Explain how I am "spinning" this to make it look as if you did something you didn't?

KM:
Oh please, you already know he published is approval of her months ago.
Yes, I know. That does not make my point any less valid.

SteveB:
As to Steve1957, I'm thinking of asking the mods to change my username so as not to be confused with the freakin idiot.
Another boring asshole who thinks his every word is brimming with wit.
Look, loser, if I am a freakin idiot, support it. Jesus, the only one here who explained his point in a disagreement with me was Brutus (in another thread). I then admitted I had originally missed his point. It is called EXPLAINING. Don't just call names like a jew.
If you people went to a Big H board, all the jews would respond to you EXACTLY the way you are responding to me. Nothing but irrelevent, unsupported insults. Think about that.

Signal:
By the way, speaking of hauling ass, didn't Mishko already tell you to get the fuck out?
Yes, he did. So what? By the way, he also wanted me on his show.
Man, you people are pathetic.

I am an Elisha supporter and wish her well as I do all White People.

But I am not a fan of a retard who starts a thread titled "In defense of Elisha" knowing the shit they would be stirring, and then to deny they are doing just that.

That is just what this forum needs, MORE RETARDS, I think Susan/Summer/Steve1957 make a nice threesome......:rofl......

That is probably why someone mentionrd your join date retard, anyone with any intelligence would know what kinda of reaction this thread would get, exactly the one it's getting. Then you sit there and keep stirring the shit by responding to every post, and you say your not a shit stirrer....

Guess what, you aren't A shit stirrer....

Your THEE SHIT STIRRER.................:rofl:rofl

Elisha I have a couple of questions that only you can answer and that will go a long way in putting to rest any alleged "theories" surrounding the KAS situation.

You will remember attending Alex's arraignment in Knoxville last summer. Alex told me that he was "surprised at your presence at that particular proceeding" and wasn't sure how to interpret your being there at all.

You will also remember that we went to the Riverside Restaurant where we had coffee and the like and spent at least two hours there talking that afternoon. During the course of this conversation you said something that caught my immediate attention based upon my extensive study of law over the preceding 16 years in addition to my own personal experience in various capacities as a party to several civil and criminal cases.

You stated, "I copied files from Kevin's computer and gave them to my lawyer for safe keeping."

Since the trial is over and you are at liberty to discuss the case now I would like to ask you the following questions:

1. What was the nature of these files that you copied from Kevin's computer and gave to your lawyer on a CD almost a full year before Kevin's arrest?

a) Were they images of children engaged in sexual activity with either adults or other children?

b) If the answer to question 1(a) is in the negative were they images of nude children?

c) If the answer to questions 1(a) and 1(b) is in the negative were they Photoshoped images wherein the head of a minor was placed upon the body of a nude adult?

2. You clearly had access to Kevin's computer. Did you every place any files of any type on his computer without his knowledge?

3. Who approached you regarding the wiring and placing in your home a hidden camera system?

a) What was the stated purpose of this hidden camera system?

b) What information and video\audio was recorded by this hidden camera system that you consented to having embedded in your home without Kevin's knowledge?

4. Since you and the police apparently had those files that you copied from Kevin's computer almost a full year before his arrest why was a hidden camera surveillance system necessary?

5. Did Kevin know that the sessions that he attended were being audio recorded and would be used against him by you or anyone else in the future?

a) Who actually audio recorded the privileged therapy sessions that Kevin attended with a psychologist?

b) Did you turn these privileged audio recordings between Kevin and his therapist over to any law enforcement agency at any time before Kevin's arrest? Is so did you do so under the authority of a warrant or did you do so with Kevin's express written consent?

c) Did Kevin give his signed, explicit authorization for the recording of those therapy sessions and if so can that authorization be found in Kevin's medical records now?

Elisha I have a couple of questions that only you can answer and that will go a long way in putting to rest any alleged "theories" surrounding the KAS situation.

You will remember attending Alex's arraignment in Knoxville last summer. Alex told me that he was "surprised at your presence at that particular proceeding" and wasn't sure how to interpret your being there at all.

You will also remember that we went to the Riverside Restaurant where we had coffee and the like and spent at least two hours there talking that afternoon. During the course of this conversation you said something that caught my immediate attention based upon my extensive study of law over the preceding 16 years in addition to my own personal experience in various capacities as a party to several civil and criminal cases.

You stated, "I copied files from Kevin's computer and gave them to my lawyer for safe keeping."

Since the trial is over and you are at liberty to discuss the case now I would like to ask you the following questions:

1. What was the nature of these files that you copied from Kevin's computer and gave to your lawyer on a CD almost a full year before Kevin's arrest?

a) Were they images of children engaged in sexual activity with either adults or other children?

b) If the answer to question 1(a) is in the negative were they images of nude children?

c) If the answer to questions 1(a) and 1(b) is in the negative were they Photoshoped images wherein the head of a minor was placed upon the body of a nude adult?

2. You clearly had access to Kevin's computer. Did you every place any files of any type on his computer without his knowledge?

3. Who approached you regarding the wiring and placing in your home a hidden camera system?

a) What was the stated purpose of this hidden camera system?

b) What information and videoaudio was recorded by this hidden camera system that you consented to having embedded in your home without Kevin's knowledge?

4. Since you and the police apparently had those files that you copied from Kevin's computer almost a full year before his arrest why was a hidden camera surveillance system necessary?

5. Did Kevin know that the sessions that he attended were being audio recorded and would be used against him by you or anyone else in the future?

a) Who actually audio recorded the privileged therapy sessions that Kevin attended with a psychologist?

b) Did you turn these privileged audio recordings between Kevin and his therapist over to any law enforcement agency at any time before Kevin's arrest? Is so did you do so under the authority of a warrant or did you do so with Kevin's express written consent?

c) Did Kevin give his signed, explicit authorization for the recording of those therapy sessions and if so can that authorization be found in Kevin's medical records now?

Damn it! She was about two posts away from agreeing to go on the air with Yankee Jim and now you've frightened her off. :rofl

Seriously though, those are all valid questions, but if she won't even own up to screwing with the control panel, she's surely not going to entertain answering those questions for even a second.

Steve 1957?

Is it posible to put an ignore on certain peoples posts?

I think some people are just trying to play games with the VNN Forum. I would like to be able to ignore them.

PC-Magician:
Then you sit there and keep stirring the shit by responding to every post, and you say your not a shit stirrer....

You people are unbelievable!
You complain that I am "stirring shit" and complain that I keep responding to posts.
Does is really take a genius to understand that if you do not want the thread to continue, then don't post!
Don't blame ME if I (naturally) reply to a post, especially if it directed at me.
Just how moronic are you people?

Fred:
Steve 1957?

Is it posible to put an ignore on certain peoples posts?

I think some people are just trying to play games with the VNN Forum. I would like to be able to ignore them.
Are you asking me?
I do not know how to ignore or anything like that.

Fred:

Are you asking me?
I do not know how to ignore or anything like that.

Yeah, so we noticed.

QUOTE=Steve1957;704855]


You people are unbelievable!

Yes, we are wise you your modus operandi troll

Does is really take a genius to understand that if you do not want the thread to continue, then don't post!

Spoken like a true troll. You don't want anyone to challenge your ridiculous and anti-White assertions.

Don't blame ME if I (naturally) reply to a post, especially if it directed at me.

Of course, shit stirrers like you thrive on attention.

Just how moronic are you people?

If you really believed that then why banter with us? Oh yeah, you are a troll, that's why;)

Is it posible to put an ignore on certain peoples posts?

I think some people are just trying to play games with the VNN Forum. I would like to be able to ignore them.

Go to the person's public profile page and on the red bar in the upper right it says "add XXXX to ignore list" ... that's where you put someone on ignore.

:eek:

If 98 pounds is a little overweight... what in the hell do you call skinny?!

I doubt u were 98 pounds in that photo... tell the truth.

Notice how Elisha refuses answering questions because she just doesn't care? Notice she hasn't been here for months and is now wallowing in the approval of new posters who have no fucken clue the shit she did as an admin?


Don't you think it is rather telling that Alex, the guy who owns the forum, has not condemned Elisha? I mean, if Elisha did do something so wrong here, then why is Alex apparently on her side?


Prolly cuz he's banging her or wants to bang her cuz... she's hot!
Hey, that's fine with me... white people should be banging each other but let's be clear to his motive for supporting her or not questioning her on the episodes during her admin days... he hasn't and doesn't think it's important. Hey, I'd fuck her too but to let her stay in my house overnight while I sleep... no thanks.

Most here do nothing more than hurl unsupported insults like a bunch of teenagers.
Jesus, if you people are the "finest" whites have to offer, why bother?

This is the jewiest of posts you've made... trying to make WNists feel guilty. Like we give a shit what u think... :rolleyes:

Go to the person's public profile page and on the red bar in the upper right it says "add XXXX to ignore list" ... that's where you put someone on ignore.

Just to let u know I only neg rep trolls or people making obviously stoopid posts. I don't think you're an anti... just a little uninformed. If u sent me some nice pix of yourself I'd never neg rep u again... deal?

I doubt u were 98 pounds in that photo... tell the truth.

I weighed 98 pounds when that picture was taken. There are members of this forum who were present at that rally where that picture was taken and though they may not be able to tell you what my exact weight was, they could definitely verify I was extremely thin. I still am.

Obviously the SPLC wouldn't have used an accurate and flattering picture of me; they're just as deceptive as you.

I weighed 98 pounds when that picture was taken. There are members of this forum who were present at that rally where that picture was taken and though they may not be able to tell you what my exact weight was, they could definitely verify I was extremely thin. I still am.

Obviously the SPLC wouldn't have used an accurate and flattering picture of me; they're just as deceptive as you.

I'm not being deceptive... u just look a little double-chinish with big arms, that's all.

Offer still stands, btw... pm me. I'm a lot nicer in person as opposed to resident flamer. I'm single as well so u better hurry.

I'm single

No! For real -- you?! I don't believe it.

:cool:

No! For real -- you?! I don't believe it.

:cool:

LOL... good one. Jest away but the offer still stands. Your current pic for mine just between us.

No. I'm just a regular ephebophile. :D :rofl :rolleyes:

http://www.talkingnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/dr_phil.jpg

This isn't really about my sexuality Alex, it's about your emotions. Your anger is nothing more than an outward expression of the hurt, fear and frustration you have experienced through your unrequited feelings for Elisha. Failure is no accident: if you want more, you have to require more from yourself.

Alex, it's time to get real. When you are able find your authentic self, that person you can truly love, you will realise that it's better to be healthy alone than sick with Elisha. Sometimes you've just gotta give yourself what you wish you were getting from someone else.

Don't forget to buy my book.

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/17/0906_tv_01_drphil.jpg

You won this one over Alex! I can't stop laughing! :rofl:rofl

Aside from being a man of my word, I'm also a reasonable man.

Is it that there is nothing you can say to convince us because we supposedly have some prior bias against you, or is there nothing you can say to convince us because you know you did what we said you did and there's no defense for it?

Come on, take Jim up on his offer to let you speak on the air. I assure you that I, at least, will judge your comments fairly.

If I'm not mistaken there may be an open broadcasting slot this evening, I'm sure if there is Jim could throw something together within the next couple of hours.




Ah, our friend is back for more. I knew saving this bookmark would come in handy one day.

This is the night Mishko and I went apeshit on her, look at her, she's was launching neg rep and del rep every 30 seconds. She attacked everybody on this board. You may need to click the button on the lower left hand corner to enlarge.

Image is here:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4671/scr4bb3c2rh9.png
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4671/scr4bb3c2rh9.png

Elisha I have a couple of questions that only you can answer

You continue to assert I've committed crimes. Your accusations are quite serious and I don't appreciate you threatening me. Once again (http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=669557&postcount=356) I suggest you switchboard (http://www.switchboard.com/) a local FBI number -- only this time I'm going to also publicly ask that you leave me alone.

You continue to assert I've committed crimes. Your accusations are quite serious and I don't appreciate you threatening me. Once again (http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=669557&postcount=356) I suggest you switchboard (http://www.switchboard.com/) a local FBI number -- only this time I'm going to also publicly ask that you leave me alone.

Why don't you thank Steve1957 for dredging this all up again?

Ah, our friend is back for more. I knew saving this bookmark would come in handy one day.

This is the night Mishko and I went apeshit on her, look at her, she's was launching neg rep and del rep every 30 seconds. She attacked everybody on this board. You may need to click the button on the lower left hand corner to enlarge.

Image is here:

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4671/scr4bb3c2rh9.png
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4671/scr4bb3c2rh9.png

LOL. well, that proves that. No wonder everyone hates you. nice job playing the "victim"... typical fucking female bullshit.

Just dropped by to see what all the fuss was about. Truthfully, the Nutzpah Lounge isn't exactly where the activism gets done, is it?

From the last photos I have seen, Elisha Strom is an attractive White female.

Regarding Alex's statement that Elisha Strom "possesses the qualities necessary to defeat the Jew", well, she had an opportunity to put those qualities on display here at VNN and it never happened in my book. Instead we got "Neg Repgate" and alot of catfighting. I cannot say that the welcome mat was ever rolled out for her when she got here, so I cannot put all the blame on her.

I am sure Elisha is alot different in person, as we all are, and everyone who claims to have met her has nothing but positive things to say. That's good enough for me to remain neutral regarding her. :)

Just dropped by to see what all the fuss was about. Truthfully, the Nutzpah Lounge isn't exactly where the activism gets done, is it?

From the last photos I have seen, Elisha Strom is an attractive White female.

Regarding Alex's statement that Elisha Strom "possesses the qualities necessary to defeat the Jew", well, she had an opportunity to put those qualities on display here at VNN and it never happened in my book. Instead we got "Neg Repgate" and alot of catfighting. I cannot say that the welcome mat was ever rolled out for her when she got here, so I cannot put all the blame on her.

I am sure Elisha is alot different in person, as we all are, and everyone who claims to have met her has nothing but positive things to say. That's good enough for me. :)

LOL, I never knew her, and so I didnt speak about her. I specifically said "So what, who cares". But, shes demonstrated that shes a liar and she betrayed her husband, thats enough for me.

So what if everyone whos met her, liked her? Shes demonstrated her nature, and regardless of what else she has done, being a liar and a deceptive, game-playing bitch is enough of a reason not to like her.

Maybe shes a nice person. That doesnt make her a GOOD person.

Ah, our friend is back for more. I knew saving this bookmark would come in handy one day.

This is the night Mishko and I went apeshit on her, look at her, she's was launching neg rep and del rep every 30 seconds. She attacked everybody on this board. You may need to click the button on the lower left hand corner to enlarge.

Image is here:
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4671/scr4bb3c2rh9.png


Spare me. That picture shows I deleted my own rep from where you all rep-bombed me.

Why aren't you putting up the screenshot that not only shows Dietrich's identical activities that same night but also that he was in the Control Panel deleting rep before me?

I could've defended myself with screenshots but I'd never use private information from the AdminCP to push an agenda. That you, a non-admin, have such information only demonstrates that other people cannot be trusted -- which is what I told Linder all along.

Thanks guys! Being right rocks!

LOL, I never knew her, and so I didnt speak about her. I specifically said "So what, who cares". But, shes demonstrated that shes a liar and she betrayed her husband, thats enough for me.

So what if everyone whos met her, liked her? Shes demonstrated her nature, and regardless of what else she has done, being a liar and a deceptive, game-playing bitch is enough of a reason not to like her.

Maybe shes a nice person. That doesnt make her a GOOD person.

This isn't about "betraying" her husband. Her husband is a goddamned admitted pedophile and in my opinion she shouldn't have stopped after hitting him just once with that telephone. She should have pounded it against his head until the job was done.

She has played quite the victim here, but I believe Bud's image attached to his post above does show her to be a liar.

Spare me. That picture shows I deleted my own rep from where you all rep-bombed me.

Why aren't you putting up the screenshot that not only shows Dietrich's identical activities that same night but also that he was in the Control Panel deleting rep before me?

I could've defended myself with screenshots but I'd never use private information from the AdminCP to push an agenda. That you, a non-admin, have such information only demonstrates that other people cannot be trusted -- which is what I told Linder all along.

Thanks guys! Being right rocks!

That's an interesting "spin" there.

But, shes demonstrated that shes a liar

Where?

and she betrayed her husband, thats enough for me.

Well I'm sure your man is thrilled to know that if he ever tries to have sex with children, you'll be serenading him with Tammy Wynette.

This isn't about "betraying" her husband. Her husband is a goddamned admitted pedophile and in my opinion she shouldn't have stopped after hitting him just once with that telephone. She should have pounded it against his head until the job was done.

She has played quite the victim here, but I believe Bud's image attached to his post above does show her to be a liar.

I know this thread wasnt about betraying her husband, i was speaking about my opinion, and betraying her husband, being a liar, playing games, and playing the "victim" were my reasons for agreeing as to why everyone attacks her and doesnt like her.

Personally, I disagree with your opinion of her actions regarding her husband. If she had a problem, she should have been a woman and left him, not a vindictive bitch and played an integral role in sending him to jail.

I mean, ok: In this case, he was a pedo. What if in another case, he'd simply been more active in the cause, and routinely participated in legally questionable activities, in support of WN goals?

She would have rolled on him then, too. If your a snitch, youre a snitch. Theres no honor amongst snitches. She didnt do it because it was wrong, or it upset her.. She waited, and did it when she got pissed off.

...Thats why I have a problem with what she did.

But all that pedo crap aside, this doesnt even need to be discussed, the rest of what I said is really the pertinent issue regarding the forum (As I see it).

You continue to assert I've committed crimes. Your accusations are quite serious and I don't appreciate you threatening me. Once again (http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=669557&postcount=356) I suggest you switchboard (http://www.switchboard.com/) a local FBI number -- only this time I'm going to also publicly ask that you leave me alone.

LOL... what a joke. You refused to answer the questions then and do now... only this time you make it look as though OTPTT is stalking you. "Leave me alone"... or else what? U gonna call the feds cuz he is trying to clarify what really happened? Don't forget to mention me as well but they've pretty much run out of entrapment ammo with me since their latest faux pax.



Oh, and I never got your pm w/ latest pic... maybe it didn't go thru?

...you'll be serenading him with Tammy Wynette.

LOL! Now that's funny!

But you seem to have missed one:

Let's see...

You neg repped Bud White and took away 5 points. Minutes later you neg-repped me and took away 35 points.

At the time of both of these incidents you had very few posts and about 2 rep dots.

Explain how I am "spinning" this to make it look as if you did something you didn't?

Come on now, you're the great White spintress what's gonna deliver us from da joos, spin that one for me... just once. :rofl:rofl:rofl

Spare me. That picture shows I deleted my own rep from where you all rep-bombed me.

Why aren't you putting up the screenshot that not only shows Dietrich's identical activities that same night but also that he was in the Control Panel deleting rep before me?

I could've defended myself with screenshots but I'd never use private information from the AdminCP to push an agenda. That you, a non-admin, have such information only demonstrates that other people cannot be trusted -- which is what I told Linder all along.

Thanks guys! Being right rocks!



"That picture shows I deleted my own rep from where you all rep-bombed me."



Are you that stupid or vicious or both that you just acknowledged that you were deleting negs that you received?

Where?



Well I'm sure your man is thrilled to know that if he ever tries to have sex with children, you'll be serenading him with Tammy Wynette.

regarding the lies, I refer to the afformentioned screenshot, which I have already heard your retort to.. of course, deleting your own rep, really doesnt make much sense... but ok.

LOL, If I had a problem with my husband wanting to fuck five-year-olds, Id have left him when I found out, and not waited and help send him to jail, when I got pissed off or tired of him.

If you want to play the poignant strong woman role "I only did the right thing", you should have done the right thing, at the right time, for the right reasons. You didnt.

Elisha, i really dont care about you. I dont know why everyone else does. I dont think you did the right thing, but you did what works for you. while thats your life, and your decision to make, you have to accept you will be judged for your actions, and people will agree or disagree, as they see fit.

She waited, and did it when she got pissed off.

No... she waited because she was told to do so by govt investigators wanting more conclusive evidence.

"That picture shows I deleted my own rep from where you all rep-bombed me."



Are you that stupid or vicious or both that you just acknowledged that you were deleting negs that you received?

Apparently. :rofl:rofl:rofl

You continue to assert I've committed crimes. Your accusations are quite serious and I don't appreciate you threatening me. Once again (http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=669557&postcount=356) I suggest you switchboard (http://www.switchboard.com/) a local FBI number -- only this time I'm going to also publicly ask that you leave me alone.

I haven't accused you of anything Elisha. I've merely asked you a few pointed questions of which you will not answer. Why won't you answer these questions Elisha?

If you don't want me asking you questions then don't post here cry baby.

I haven't accused you of anything Elisha. I've merely asked you a few pointed questions of which you will not answer. Why won't you answer these questions Elisha?

If I was you, I'd be deleting my harddrives and checking my house for hidden cameras right now. :rofl

Apparently. :rofl:rofl:rofl

running a rebroadcast of the august 8th show last year where we stomped on her ass for about 3 hours.

Enjoy!

running a rebroadcast of the august 8th show last year where we stomped on her ass for about 3 hours.

Enjoy!

Right now? Link please.

running a rebroadcast of the august 8th show last year where we stomped on her ass for about 3 hours.

Enjoy!

Man...

I saw the feed was up, so I tuned in just in time to hear Mishko going off... and I thought, oh shit what's happened now! :lol:

Are you that stupid or vicious or both that you just acknowledged that you were deleting negs that you received?

:confused:

I've never hidden it that I deleted my own rep. Why would I? Linder and I were talking about it while I was doing so. Big deal.

:confused:

I've never hidden it that I deleted my own rep. Why would I? Linder and I were talking about it while I was doing so. Big deal.

Again, you seem to be overlooking one particular post.

Let's see...

You neg repped Bud White and took away 5 points. Minutes later you neg-repped me and took away 35 points.

At the time of both of these incidents you had very few posts and about 2 rep dots.

Explain how I am "spinning" this to make it look as if you did something you didn't?

Get to spinin'.

running a rebroadcast of the august 8th show last year where we stomped on her ass for about 3 hours.

Enjoy!

So rather than awakening White people to the Jewish question or giving them a heads up on Black on White Crime or alerting them to the latest news on Channon and Chris... you are devoting radio time to bashing me.

Brilliant!

So rather than awakening White people to the Jewish question or giving them a heads up on Black on White Crime or alerting them to the latest news on Channon and Christian... you are devoting radio time to bashing me.

Brilliant!

..........
Let's see...

You neg repped Bud White and took away 5 points. Minutes later you neg-repped me and took away 35 points.

At the time of both of these incidents you had very few posts and about 2 rep dots.

Explain how I am "spinning" this to make it look as if you did something you didn't?

Any thoughts?

Double post.

So rather than awakening White people to the Jewish question or giving them a heads up on Black on White Crime or alerting them to the latest news on Channon and Christian... you are devoting radio time to bashing me.

Brilliant!

Pot calling kettle black.

Then why are you responding as opposed to talking about blah, blah, blah?

Just lost the feed. I did catch what Mishko said about the fuck VNN T-Shirt. As I've said before, she was also the driving force behind getting the VNN link off NatVan and the campaign to vilify Alex and VNN. Don't think she was giving Kevin his marching orders? Look at what she got the guy to do with something that got him into trouble: Signing a confession and going to a psych? Then recording it?! And she wasn't behind his purse swinging at VNN? I've got a bridge in Arizona I'll sell you, cheap.

Why the fuck Linder can't get that simple fact through his head is beyond me. The cunt is the most disruptive element in the WN movement today. She makes Bill White look like a boy scout.

So rather than awakening White people to the Jewish question or giving them a heads up on Black on White Crime or alerting them to the latest news on Channon and Christian... you are devoting radio time to bashing me.

Brilliant!

God are you a fucking idiot. Nobody, and I mean nobody names the jew like I do. If you had listened to ONE of my shows you would know that. 4 to 5 hours every friday, we, meaning myself and a cohost focus on jews exclusively. So please stop talking about things you don't know a fucking thing about.

Just lost the feed. I did catch what Mishko said about the fuck VNN T-Shirt. As I've said before, she was also the driving force behind getting the VNN link off NatVan and the campaign to vilify Alex and VNN. Don't think she was giving Kevin his marching orders? Look at what she got the guy to do with something that got him into trouble: Signing a confession and going to a psych? Then recording it?! And she wasn't behind his purse swinging at VNN? I've got a bridge in Arizona I'll sell you, cheap.

Why the fuck Linder can't get that simple fact through his head is beyond me. The cunt is the most disruptive element in the WN movement today. She makes Bill White look like a boy scout.

Yeah, who cut the feed, I was listening to that. :mad:

I had forgot all about her Fuck VNN t-shirt. I bet she's wearing it right now.

From the last photos I have seen, Elisha Strom is an attractive White female.


Agreed, but, she's a little too pretty for my taste, because you know what they say.

YouTube - Jimmy Soul - If you wanna be happy

Just lost the feed.

Me too.

Hmmmm....

So rather than awakening White people to the Jewish question or giving them a heads up on Black on White Crime or alerting them to the latest news on Channon and Christian... you are devoting radio time to bashing me.

Brilliant!

Sounds like a fun way to spend the evening.

No... she waited because she was told to do so by govt investigators wanting more conclusive evidence.

Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard. What, trying to get brownie-points, so she'll send you her pic?

Bashing feds, bashing jews, what's the difference?

Here's what I think. I think the cunt is getting in good with Alex 'cause he's the next target for a takedown. Alex, if she has been anywhere near your computer I advise you to do a security sweep on it NOW. In fact, I advise you to wipe the drive clean and start over.

Just lost the feed. I did catch what Mishko said about the fuck VNN T-Shirt. As I've said before, she was also the driving force behind getting the VNN link off NatVan and the campaign to vilify Alex and VNN.

Subrosa, you are a devious, lying piece of shit. April Gaede got our link canceled. That's the fact of the matter.

I've never cared much one way or another about her. I've allowed her to promote her kids' band here, although their singing stinks. They do seem like nice kids, but they can't sing for crap. I've also allowed her to promote her memorial for David Lane, someone else I have no respect for based on his behavior toward Rounder.

The fact of the matter is, she, not Elisha, whined to Pierce to get our link canceled. The sad fact is, April is a two-faced bitch, to put it bluntly. She may have done good things for our cause, but she is in fact a two-faced bitch.

And what's your game, Subrosa, beyond pretending to be a friend of VNN. Why don't you tell us?

Bashing feds, bashing jews, what's the difference?

Here's what I think. I think the cunt is getting in good with Alex 'cause he's the next target for a takedown. Alex, if she has been anywhere near your computer I advise you to do a security sweep on it NOW. In fact, I advise you to wipe the drive clean and start over.

You've got one post left here at VNN Subrosa.

Either you post your real name, and your real business here, or get on down the road, dog.

You continue to assert I've committed crimes. Your accusations are quite serious and I don't appreciate you threatening me. Once again (http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=669557&postcount=356) I suggest you switchboard (http://www.switchboard.com/) a local FBI number -- only this time I'm going to also publicly ask that you leave me alone.

Why don't you just give him the number to your handler? That would be easier, don't you think?

We have something to ask of you too:

GET OUT OF HERE AND LEAVE US THE FUCK ALONE!!

You've got one post left here at VNN Subrosa.

Either you post your real name, and your real business here, or get on down the road, dog.

Fuck you. I'll be by and give you my real name, you fucking idiot. 2 hours away from me ain't shit.

You've got one post left here at VNN Subrosa.

Either you post your real name, and your real business here, or get on down the road, dog.

Fuck you. I'll be by and give you my real name, you fucking idiot. 2 hours away from me ain't shit. Motherfucker.

Time to break out the popcorn.:D

http://www.notelay.com/Storage/Image/2007/popcorn_b.jpg

I've also allowed her to promote her memorial for David Lane, someone else I have no respect for based on his behavior toward Rounder.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Seriously, the pussy cannot be that good. David Lane was an honorable man who called it right down the line and contributed more to the cause than Miller or you combined... remember that 14 words stuff we all talk about?..., while Rounder is a pompus, sniveling, beer-guzzling piece of dogshit not worthy of licking the dirt off Lane's boots.

Lane stuck it to the system and paid the price. A martyr. Miller created a WNst group in the South in the 70s... which is about as hard as forming a circle jerk in a San Francisco bath house.

That statement by you seriously alarms me.

I suspected as much.

Say goodnight, faggot.

Spare me. That picture shows I deleted my own rep from where you all rep-bombed me.

Why aren't you putting up the screenshot that not only shows Dietrich's identical activities that same night but also that he was in the Control Panel deleting rep before me?

Without a reminder of what you're on about, I would say this is bs. The only manipulating I've ever done w/ rep falls under squarely under things technical. Moreover, unless you altered something you should not have, you didn't have access to the admin log.

I could've defended myself with screenshots but I'd never use private information from the AdminCP to push an agenda.

FWIW, I didn't send him that. I had the screenshot on my imageshack, but it was marked private. I just deleted it. Also, for reasons stated above--no you couldn't have.

That you, a non-admin, have such information only demonstrates that other people cannot be trusted -- which is what I told Linder all along.

Bad timing, ma'am.

Thanks guys! Being right rocks!

Whatever. GTGBTW tuning these god-awful mysql settings.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

A picture of a wolf and cutesy name makes you a tough guy? Gives you the right to ask questions?


Seriously, the pussy cannot be that good.

Wow, no fooling you. You see right through to the bottom line. Why not just call me a liar? Nah, stick to your wolfie and cute name.



David Lane was an honorable man who called it right down the line and contributed more to the cause than Miller or you combined... remember that 14 words stuff we all talk about?..., while Rounder is a pompus, sniveling, beer-guzzling piece of dogshit not worthy of licking the dirt off Lane's boots.


I respect Lane for blowing away jew Berg. Other than that, he was a jackoff. Even his trademark 14 words was lifted from the Nazis without acknowledgement. He also pissed himself when the feds came and did everything he could to shit on Rounder who did more for White politics than any man in America since Hitler.

I respect Lane for blowing away jew Berg. Other than that, he was a jackoff. Even his trademark 14 words was lifted from the Nazis without acknowledgement. He also pissed himself when the feds came and did everything he could to shit on Rounder who did more for White politics than any man in America since Hitler.

What's the big whoop about Lane anyway? Robbed banks, got caught which brought the full weight of zog down on everybody else. Died in prison mumbling the 14 words, meanwhile Rounder and Linder carry on.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

A picture of a wolf and cutesy name makes you a tough guy? Gives you the right to ask questions?

No, fuck the name and avatar, Alex, and answer the question. What gives me the right? I'll ask you any goddamned question I want... whether or not you have the guts to answer honestly is your problem. Don't try those tactics with me.

Wow, no fooling you. You see right through to the bottom line. Why not just call me a liar? Nah, stick to your wolfie and cute name.

Look peckerhead, I go to other boards like WR and I see people wonder what's wrong with you... and then I have to defend you for no other reason than you happen to have a good philosophical slant on The Problem. Then you go and do stupid shit like make Elisha admin and now you talk shit about David Lane?

The fuck are you trying to do... piss off the entire WNist movement across the whole internet and make yourself persona non grata? Would total self-destruction be the only thing that satisfies you?

Lane et al warned us all about anyone who runs with Miller... are you out to prove him right?

I respect Lane for blowing away jew Berg.

An act more productive than anything you've achieved yet, Alex.

Other than that, he was a jackoff. Even his trademark 14 words was lifted from the Nazis without acknowledgement.

Would you care to provide a direct quote of those words from any Nazi in Germany?

He also pissed himself when the feds came and did everything he could to shit on Rounder who did more for White politics than any man in America since Hitler.

Oh please... denigrating Lane and his proven track record is absurd... especially in the process of defending Miller. Do you believe people around here are stupid?

You are one self-destructive guy, Alex. Don't take the rest of us down with you.

Just lost the feed. I did catch what Mishko said about the fuck VNN T-Shirt. As I've said before, she was also the driving force behind getting the VNN link off NatVan and the campaign to vilify Alex and VNN. Don't think she was giving Kevin his marching orders? Look at what she got the guy to do with something that got him into trouble: Signing a confession and going to a psych? Then recording it?! And she wasn't behind his purse swinging at VNN? I've got a bridge in Arizona I'll sell you, cheap.

Why the fuck Linder can't get that simple fact through his head is beyond me. The cunt is the most disruptive element in the WN movement today. She makes Bill White look like a boy scout.

You trying too sell the London bridge again:D

Time to break out the popcorn.:D

http://www.notelay.com/Storage/Image/2007/popcorn_b.jpg

OHHH I love popcorn time....

BUT

I think all that will come out of this thread are... some like and some hate Elisha. (what I personally think of the whole situation is of no relevance) I do not know her personally, BUT I would put money on the fact she probably isn't going to lose sleep over the rude and hateful comments!! ;)

I never knew her and dont know anything about her history here. I can see why people wouldnt like her for turning on her husband and assisting the law enforcement authorities in building their case, but oddly enough, no one mentions this.



I haven't followed this case all that terribly well. Supposing we are actually talking about a pedophile here, should anyone care about someone turning on a person like this? What are the consequences of not doing so to other children this person will come into contact with?

I dont see why people worship Lane as some god of WNists.. wow he created a phrase and a number to go with it.. Arabs are strapping bombs to their chests to fight the Jews... our great hero is a numerologist.. lmao.. what a joke.. Never mind the joint made him go pretty nuts (ever read KD rebel?)

14 words is all good and well.. but it should be self evident to any White person.. I dont need a catch phrase to remind me we need to secure our bloodlines

Moreover, unless you altered something you should not have, you didn't have access to the admin log.
As much as I hate bringing myself back up after leaving a while ago, I'm going to correct this.

She did have access to those files, and it was with permission from Alex that she was given that access. I'm the one that talked to Alex, I'm the one that got the permission, and I'm the one that set her with access.


Oh, and for those that like to try and jerk my chain, jerk away, I won't be rising to it. I've got better things to do these days ;)

There is only one solution to this problem. Elisha should go on YJ and Stans show. Maybe also have a surprise guest call in from Folsom or wherever weenie is housed.

I dont see why people worship Lane as some god of WNists.. wow he created a phrases and number to go with it.. Arabs are strapping bombs to their chests to fight the Jews... our great hero is a numerologist.. lmao.. what a joke.. Never mind the joint made him go pretty nuts (ever read KD rebel?)

14 words is all good and well.. but it should be self evident to any White person.. I dont need a catch phrase to remind me we need to secure our bloodlines

Varg, it's a little beyond catchphrases and numerology... Lane and others actually hit the road and did something. It's also rather sickening for armchair evangelists like Alex to sit around and claim Lane "pissed himself" when captured and other Enquirer-esque non-details.

Oh and Varg, it's not worship. It's respect.

Well this thread seems to have dredged up some real emotional anger!Good thing,in order to go on with our lives we first need to face the pain so we can begin to heal.It all seems to be about reputation oddly enough.Something some anonymous user gives you (you yourself remaining anonymous to them).Oh those glittering gems of glorious greenness!The validation for our very existance!How could life be bearable without them?Oh and the glittering red,glowing evil coals of negative redness.Only a vile,perfidious jew could bestow one of those upon ones control panel.Alas I have not the reputation of many of the more famous anonymous posters on this anonymous web forum.No beautiful row of shining emeralds for me.Not yet anyway.Oh reputation,reputation!Wherefore art thou,reputation?

Would you care to provide a direct quote of those words from any Nazi in Germany?


http://www.hitler.org/writings/

Don't ask me where tho because i forgot, think it's chapter 14.

I think Elisha is hot, and that's the end of this thread.

Hubba hubba! :p:p:p

The only question I have is if I'm sexy enough??!!

When I put my 37-year-old body into a cardigan sweater I look like this:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8369/newskevinstromrr7.jpg

Time to break out the popcorn.:D

http://www.notelay.com/Storage/Image/2007/popcorn_b.jpg

The popcorn line does have a copyright on it, and also there is a fine for using the wrong picture.... I'll PM you my address for the usage payment and fines......:)

correct picture to use for no fines.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/bandie528/popcorn.jpg

You must always bring enough for all the women.....

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Varg, it's a little beyond catchphrases and numerology... Lane and others actually hit the road and did something. It's also rather sickening for armchair evangelists like Alex to sit around and claim Lane "pissed himself" when captured and other Enquirer-esque non-details.

Oh and Varg, it's not worship. It's respect.

Yeah, well, Lane said that Miller was an evil traitor, and said everyone should despise VNN and stay away from it for working with him.

So, why are you here?

Why does Lane's biggest fan, and VNN hater, USE VNN to promote David Lane, who hated VNN?

http://www.hitler.org/writings/

Don't ask me where tho because i forgot, think it's chapter 14.

Of what? Mein Kampf? I just did a search on that one for "existence" and didn't find the 14 Words. I'll look in other chapters to be sure.

Thanks though.

The popcorn line does have a copyright on it, and also there is a fine for using the wrong picture.... I'll PM you my address for the usage payment and fines......:)

correct picture to use for no fines.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/bandie528/popcorn.jpg


:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Hey now....Its MY POPCORN!!!! :p:p

Hey now....Its MY POPCORN!!!! :p:p

Yes but you gave it to me. I'm about to make some cash with it, hold on and I'll give you your cut......:)

You haven't answered my first question Alex. Why are you piling on more misdirection?

Yeah, well, Lane said that Miller was an evil traitor, and said everyone should despise VNN and stay away from it for working with him.

Lane never even saw VNN. You're putting words in his mouth. Just as many people posting here have nothing but contempt for Miller as admire him.

So, why are you here?

Another limpdick attempt at misdirection. This is getting to be a habit with you.

Who me? I'm one of those assholes who keeps running his mouth... especially when some jobless wonder talks crap about a genuine White Man(tm). I'll keep doing it too unless you ban me... for telling the truth. If you do, there are way too many other WNist boards who understand respect.

So, are you going to ban me for getting in your face and telling you the truth, or will you man up?

Why does Lane's biggest fan, and VNN hater, USE VNN to promote David Lane, who hated VNN?

Who me? I'm not Lane's biggest fan or a VNN hater.

I don't know this for a fact, but I feel sure Lane, if he even knew about VNN, wasn't talking about the board. He was talking about Alex Linder.

Don't mind me. Please return to sweet talking your beast of pleasure.

Ok, so it seems to me, if I am following correctly, that THE MOST Elisha is guilty of, regarding the forum, is manipulating peoples' rep points. (IF she even did that.)
My attitude regarding that has always been that, IF SHE DID INDEED DO THAT, it was in retaliation to the cheap abuse heaped on her by the members here.
As far as I'm concerned, if she made everyone's rep points negative, so fucking what? I can't see a grown man giving a damn about that. Maybe I'm a bore.

Todd told me earlier in the thread that Elisha admitted to sending someone a virus, a more serious offense. But, she denied it, and Todd never called her on it. I think it is reasonable to conclude that Todd is simply unreliable. He seems more interested in bedding down Elisha than presenting a reasonable argument. I can't take anything he says seriously.

As for her wearing a Fuck-VNN T-shirt, so what? When I met her, I told her I was a VNN reader, that I actually liked Linder's no holds barred attack on the jew. She was not turned away in the slightest. And, during the times there was some "fighting" mails between the two, in the letters page and/or forum, it seemed like a mock fight, mere banter. That is the way I saw the Fuck-VNN t-shirt. More like play. I can't believe you people make such a big deal of the t-shirt and the rep points. Jesus christ.

Regarding her actions towards Kevin, I must admit, I do not know enough about it, even after reading the posts here. But, even though my initial feelings were negative, I cut her some slack since I just thought that finding out your husband lusted after children might have been quite a blow. Who knows how one might react to that.

Now, I see people here think the reason Alex is defending her is because Alex is bedding her down. Why is it really so hard to believe that Alex might genuinely think she did not do anything wrong regarding Kevin and the forum? I already offered my take and I am not bedding her down.
What is so typical here is, you people do not have an opinion, you think you KNOW. You cannot be reasoned with. There seems to be too little give and take. I myself have presented arguments in various threads and almost never are my points addressed. I am met with childish, boring name calling.

You know, it might even be possible the reason I tended to side with Elisha is because if you people were against her, then that is evidence she must be ok! Yeah, that's right. That is what I think of most of you simpletons here. There are some fine people here. Sober, smart, fair. But, most of you are a fucking sick joke.

Some will say I started all this trouble. Well, even if that was my intent (which it was NOT), you should be pissed off at the posters. That is obvious. If you think a poster is doing nothing but deliberately causing trouble, then either don't reply, condemn the others who do reply, or consider that maybe your view might be incorrect.
Jesus christ, so many of you bitched when I replied to your posts, especially the ones directed at me. Do you not realize just how paralyzingly stupid that is? You want to shut a guy down? Simply ignore him! Sometimes I'll see a real anti post here. Sometimes an obvious, admitted jew. And I see what appears to be real anger directed at him. Shouts that you don't want him here. Then ignore him, dopes! The jew must laugh his ass off at you.

As I said, if I went to a Holocaust (Believers) forum, stated my case, all I would get back are accusations of being a Neo-Nazi, that I have an agenda, and no addressing whatsoever of my points. Well, that is, with the exception of a few posters, exactly what I get HERE!
Ponder that.

As much as I hate bringing myself back up after leaving a while ago, I'm going to correct this.

She did have access to those files, and it was with permission from Alex that she was given that access. I'm the one that talked to Alex, I'm the one that got the permission, and I'm the one that set her with access. So anyway, you and your folks have a good Christmas?


Oh, and for those that like to try and jerk my chain, jerk away, I won't be rising to it. I've got better things to do these days ;)

Hey Aimee. Thanks for clearing it up. My (honest) mistake.

To everyone else:
I stand by that I've never done anything to my own rep, or to anyone else's, that wasn't done through normal means of using the board like everyone else.

Ok, so it seems to me, if I am following correctly, that THE MOST Elisha is guilty of, regarding the forum, is manipulating peoples' rep points. (IF she even did that.)
My attitude regarding that has always been that, IF SHE DID INDEED DO THAT, it was in retaliation to the cheap abuse heaped on her by the members here.
As far as I'm concerned, if she made everyone's rep points negative, so fucking what? I can't see a grown man giving a damn about that. Maybe I'm a bore.

Todd told me earlier in the thread that Elisha admitted to sending someone a virus, a more serious offense. But, she denied it, and Todd never called her on it. I think it is reasonable to conclude that Todd is simply unreliable. He seems more interested in bedding down Elisha than presenting a reasonable argument. I can't take anything he says seriously.

As for her wearing a Fuck-VNN T-shirt, so what? When I met her, I told her I was a VNN reader, that I actually liked Linder's no holds barred attack on the jew. She was not turned away in the slightest. And, during the times there was some "fighting" mails between the two, in the letters page and/or forum, it seemed like a mock fight, mere banter. That is the way I saw the Fuck-VNN t-shirt. More like play. I can't believe you people make such a big deal of the t-shirt and the rep points. Jesus christ.

Regarding her actions towards Kevin, I must admit, I do not know enough about it, even after reading the posts here. But, even though my initial feelings were negative, I cut her some slack since I just thought that finding out your husband lusted after children might have been quite a blow. Who knows how one might react to that.

Now, I see people here think the reason Alex is defending her is because Alex is bedding her down. Why is it really so hard to believe that Alex might genuinely think she did not do anything wrong regarding Kevin and the forum? I already offered my take and I am not bedding her down.
What is so typical here is, you people do not have an opinion, you think you KNOW. You cannot be reasoned with. There seems to be too little give and take. I myself have presented arguments in various threads and almost never are my points addressed. I am met with childish, boring name calling.

You know, it might even be possible the reason I tended to side with Elisha is because if you people were against her, then that is evidence she must be ok! Yeah, that's right. That is what I think of most of you simpletons here. There are some fine people here. Sober, smart, fair. But, most of you are a fucking sick joke.

Some will say I started all this trouble. Well, even if that was my intent (which it was NOT), you should be pissed off at the posters. That is obvious. If you think a poster is doing nothing but deliberately causing trouble, then either don't reply, condemn the others who do reply, or consider that maybe your view might be incorrect.
Jesus christ, so many of you bitched when I replied to your posts, especially the ones directed at me. Do you not realize just how paralyzingly stupid that is? You want to shut a guy down? Simply ignore him! Sometimes I'll see a real anti post here. Sometimes an obvious, admitted jew. And I see what appears to be real anger directed at him. Shouts that you don't want him here. Then ignore him, dopes! The jew must laugh his ass off at you.

As I said, if I went to a Holocaust (Believers) forum, stated my case, all I would get back are accusations of being a Neo-Nazi, that I have an agenda, and no addressing whatsoever of my points. Well, that is, with the exception of a few posters, exactly what I get HERE!
Ponder that.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Steve1957 again.



.
But it does matter! I've just recieved a foul red ruby of darkness.Oh the anguish!How,tell me how,will I ever manage to sleep tonight knowing my reputation was sullied in such a vile fashion?

I got sidetracked reading this thread when Alex started talking about the limited singing ability of Prussian Blue and boy is he right, every song sounds the same and they don't seem the least bit emotionally connected to the lyrics they are singing, their whole presentation is very artificial and detached.

Of what? Mein Kampf? I just did a search on that one for "existence" and didn't find the 14 Words. I'll look in other chapters to be sure.

Thanks though.

It's from Hitler's 88 Words:

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility." - Volume 1, Chapter 8 of Mein Kampf:

;)

It's from Hitler's 88 Words:

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility." - Volume 1, Chapter 8 of Mein Kampf:

;)

Ok, thank you. So Lane paraphrased the above paragraph into a sentence easier to remember. Alex was making it out like Lane just ripped someone off; odd since I've heard the same accusations about Linder.

Thanks for clearing that up.

<Snip>

Hey PV,

I sent you an e-mail last evening. Did you receive it? Had some questions for you.

Thanks,

T

I got sidetracked reading this thread when Alex started talking about the limited singing ability of Prussian Blue and boy is he right, every song sounds the same and they don't seem the least bit emotionally connected to the lyrics they are singing, their whole presentation is very artificial and detached.


Sorry if they are not as good as your hero Bob Dylan. :[]

Ok, thank you. So Lane paraphrased the above paragraph into a sentence easier to remember. Alex was making it out like Lane just ripped someone off; odd since I've heard the same accusations about Linder.

Thanks for clearing that up.

There's almost no difference so it as clearly a ripoff.


Originally Posted by Mike Jahn
I got sidetracked reading this thread when Alex started talking about the limited singing ability of Prussian Blue and boy is he right, every song sounds the same and they don't seem the least bit emotionally connected to the lyrics they are singing, their whole presentation is very artificial and detached.


Stormfront banned me for saying this, haha :D

Hey PV,

I sent you an e-mail last evening. Did you receive it? Had some questions for you.

Thanks,

T

Yes! I should have it all answered and returned to you by tomorrow.

Great questions, btw. :)

I got sidetracked reading this thread when Alex started talking about the limited singing ability of Prussian Blue and boy is he right, every song sounds the same and they don't seem the least bit emotionally connected to the lyrics they are singing, their whole presentation is very artificial and detached.

They sound crap because they have no heart in it. They are nothing more than circus animals for the race movement.

There's almost no difference so it as clearly a ripoff.

Uh...

What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.

and

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.

Little different there, Leshrac. That's a paraphrase, not plagarism.

And for the record, I'm not nuts about PB's music either, though I applaud them.

Sorry if they are not as good as your hero Bob Dylan. :[]

You found out! I'm old Robert Allen Zimmerman (Jewish name: Zushe ben Avraham) :rolleyes:

I got sidetracked reading this thread when Alex started talking about the limited singing ability of Prussian Blue and boy is he right, every song sounds the same and they don't seem the least bit emotionally connected to the lyrics they are singing, their whole presentation is very artificial and detached.

Well they are only 14 and most of their stuff was done when they were 11 or 12.Surely we can't expect a cople of Mozarts in this day and age.

I have browsed this thread, none of my affair but here is what I conclude:

Steve1957 is a troll, yes. He looks for reaction and controversy, then acts like a suprised child when people react.

People should not slam someone over 1 pic, everyone takes a bad pic now and then.

They sound crap because they have no heart in it. They are nothing more than circus animals for the race movement.

Exactly, and in interviews away from their mother they look confused as though they are trying to remember a script she's told them to say.

Well they are only 14 and most of their stuff was done when they were 11 or 12.Surely we can't expect a cople of Mozarts in this day and age.

But that's just it, it ends up coming off really forced and gimmicky like professional wrestling. I liked two of their songs and that was all I could stand.

This thread is disturbing to me.


I wonder if we’ll ever get anywhere as a movement. We are awfully hateful to and suspicious of each other.


GREL

People should not slam someone over 1 pic, everyone takes a bad pic now and then.

Yeah, you're right Holly.

Elisha is a hottie. Check her webcam.

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[Wolf Whistle]

We are awfully hateful to and suspicious of each other.

Onward and upward.

Yeah, you're right Holly.

Elisha is a hottie. Check her webcam.

[Wolf Whistle]

Thanks, now I'm going to have to go drink something stout to cleanse that image out of my mind. :rolleyes:

Onward and upward.


Don't we need to get past it tho? We've got to have some kind of cohesion here. We've got to get some unity. Some leadership.

I'm on my third Jack and coke, by the way, so if I don't make sense, I'll delete my posts in the morning.

GREL

Don't we need to get past it tho? We've got to have some kind of cohesion here. We've got to get some unity. Some leadership.



Leadership and money comes first... unity comes second. So far there are no leaders. Some may come forward but it won't likely be from the WN movement.

Leadership and money comes first... unity comes second. So far there are no leaders.

Agreed. Things are going to have to get a lot tougher before someone with real leadership material emerges.

Some may come forward but it won't likely be from the WN movement.

Interesting... where do you think he'll come from?

I'm on my third Jack and coke, by the way, so if I don't make sense, I'll delete my posts in the morning.

GREL

Spoken like a true southern gentleman!!

Interesting... where do you think he'll come from?

Ex military.

Good night, Colleen. Last post, for real.

You're not a pedophile, are you Sandor?

That question has been on my mind too as he posts many naked photographs of underage girls.

Subrosa
Banned

Temporary ban?

Temporary ban?

Rumor is, Sub is banned until you post something useful.:D

Temporary ban?

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5726/subpt5.jpg

What a seriously fucked up thread. If the jews knew what we were really all about (in-fighting, flaming, paranoia, middle school bus mentality, etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam), they'd be sure be laughing their hook-nosed asses off right about now.

Fortunately for us, it's a good thing we all treat each other with mutual respect and common courtesy here, which allows our movement to gloriously continue forward....

Oh, wait...

:rolleyes:

No wonder the jew has absolutely no fear of us...Why the fuck should it?


Grow up, all of you and start working together. Start acting like the White men you claim to understand and love so well, instead of a buch of stupid fucking jr. high football jock dickheads.
I and many others here, are sick and tired of the constant pissing contests between the usual suspects. For a gang of supposed 'WN leaders', and potentates, you morons play right into jew's hands, each and every time.
Get over yourselves all of you. While you are busily comparing the size of your puny peni, the White race fades into oblivion. Or is that really the hidden agenda here?
Even on a supposed WN forum we are at each others' throats.

Who gives a flying fuck what some fat ugly redhead with a faggot/pedo/cross dresser/convict husband said or did? It's bullshit like this that keeps the jew and its cronies (yep that would be the fat ugly redhead) laughing their hooked-nosed asses off at us.

Perhaps onto greener pastures...

With leadership like this we have all the enemies we'll ever need.

88

After reading this thread, I am reminded of the immortal words of Pogo:

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

What a seriously fucked up thread. If the jews knew what we were really all about (in-fighting, flaming, paranoia, middle school bus mentality, etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam), they'd be sure be laughing their hook-nosed asses off right about now.

Fortunately for us, it's a good thing we all treat each other with mutual respect and common courtesy here, which allows our movement to gloriously continue forward....

Oh, wait...

:rolleyes:

No wonder the jew has absolutely no fear of us...Why the fuck should it?


Grow up, all of you and start working together. Start acting like the White men you claim to understand and love so well, instead of a buch of stupid fucking jr. high football jock dickheads.
I and many others here, are sick and tired of the constant pissing contests between the usual suspects. For a gang of supposed 'WN leaders', and potentates, you morons play right into jew's hands, each and every time.
Get over yourselves all of you. While you are busily comparing the size of your puny peni, the White race fades into oblivion. Or is that really the hidden agenda here?
Even on a supposed WN forum we are at each others' throats.

Who gives a flying fuck what some fat ugly redhead with a faggot/pedo/cross dresser/convict husband said or did? It's bullshit like this that keeps the jew and its cronies (yep that would be the fat ugly redhead) laughing their hooked-nosed asses off at us.

Perhaps onto greener pastures...

With leadership like this we have all the enemies we'll ever need.

88

So we have to be serious in every thread? the Kevin Strom affair seems to me to be just comic relief

So we have to be serious in every thread? the Kevin Strom affair seems to me to be just comic relief

We are faced with a serious problem: The deliberate, premeditated genocide of our people. I should think that we would have a more serious attitude about it.

I agree that the whole strom affair could be seen as humorous, and in fact it was pretty fucking funny, but the humor ends when the flames start crackling.
If one ugly, vindictive, decietful, red-headed twat can cause so much division between us, what chance does this movement really have?

What happens when real, prepared, serious enemies start to infiltrate and divide us?

Food for thought.

88

This thread is disturbing to me.


I wonder if we’ll ever get anywhere as a movement. We are awfully hateful to and suspicious of each other.


GREL

It's not really a movement. This is a free-speech forum. I keep it that way because I think that's the best way to do it. A movement will come out of a group, and the group must be led by an inner ring composed entirely of capable, loyal people, and it will dictate policy to its members, which will be vetted very carefully. A forum and a group are two very different things.

Temporary ban?

No, like buh-bye banned.

Why? For stirring up moron paranoia, making anonymous assertions about others being feds when I know that's not the case. All while posing as a friend of VNN. We don't need anonymous shit-stirring punks here.

After reading this thread, I am reminded of the immortal words of Pogo:

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

Again, I don't think some of you grasp the concept here. This is a forum. It's not a group. It's not a movment. It's a place to meet people, exchange ideas. Possibly it will lead to a group, in time, as people find some common points worth acting on in the real world.

In a real group, no, people are vetted before they join, and if they cause problems afterward, they are dismissed. So calls for unity aren't so much wrong as they are misconceptions.

Free speech is valuable in and of itself. It's good to have a place in America that actually uses the freedom secured in the First Amendment. It's also good for WN to have a place to criticize one another, as well as the Jewish Tyranny.

Agreed. Things are going to have to get a lot tougher before someone with real leadership material emerges.



Interesting... where do you think he'll come from?

The leader will come from the ranks of the wealthy elite when it becomes apparent that the jews will no longer let them feed at the same trough.

Without a reminder of what you're on about, I would say this is bs. The only manipulating I've ever done w/ rep falls under squarely under things technical. Moreover, unless you altered something you should not have, you didn't have access to the admin log.


Your a fucking liar. We both fucking know it to. Before we lost the last two weeks you had taken about 2000 rep points from me and put me into the negative. I'm still missing around 1300 of them. You are a lying SOB.

Here is a pic of what my rep has looked like since Bill posted the thread about Ron Paul.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/88punx/474747.jpg

This picture was posted last time the Elisha is fat and ugly debate came up. She is thin and good looking for her age. I guess I'm lucky I never delete pictures.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/88punx/elisha.jpg

I can see why Kevin would be attracted. No hips, just like most 8 year olds.

lol, ok, so she looks relatively "attractive" in one picture, and like a hideous, double-chinned monster in another. It seems the recentness of either photo would become significant, but really I dont see why this is even an issue. Correct me if Im wrong, but it really doesnt matter. Who cares what she looks like. Her character and actions are the issue, not her appearance.

Shes ugly, so? Shes cute, so?

Who cares what she looks like. I mean, is anyone here banging her, or otherwise involved with her? If so, it matters to them, but I hardly see how it should matter to anyone else. (I know this I believe got brought up when someone who didnt like her was stating how ugly she was, but it was insignificant then and personally, I find it insignificant now).

Besides, if she cared and wanted to prove she wasnt ugly, why didnt she post the "cute" picture. Or any other picture, which would have demonstrated she didnt look like the ones already posted. ...They dont even look like the same person.

I cant believe there was actually a former "Elisha is ugly" thread. Why you all get so hung up on what one person looks like, is beyond me. Then again, why everyone gets so hung up on her period, is beyond me.


Im not criticizing those who are discussing this aspect, I just find it amusing that so many of you find it to be such a significant issue.

I have to agree that childishness reigns supreme. Unless you're running a beauty contest :ewww or a dating service here :rolleyes: who really cares that much what people look like (and that is frequently a pretty subjective evaluation anyway) aside, perhaps, from verifying the color of their skin and other signifying racial characteristics or determining visual clues that you may be dealing with a crazy person. :D

Free speech is valuable in and of itself. It's good to have a place in America that actually uses the freedom secured in the First Amendment. It's also good for WN to have a place to criticize one another, as well as the Jewish Tyranny.

You say that, and yet you've just banned a long-time poster for, what? Not backing down in a pissing contest? Criticizing another WN?

There's a lot of other people here running around making unfounded accusations, hell, it's a daily occurence. Why'd you single out Subrosa? Is it "free speech" until someone pisses off Alex Linder, then it's "buh-bye"? That's what it looks like to me.

We don't need anonymous shit-stirring punks here.

The guy's been here for 4 years and has made over 6000 posts, and you never noticed until now that he's a "shit-stirring punk" who needs to be banned?

It's your board, you can ban whomever you like, but it's the stuff about free speech that I find hard to swallow after what you've just done.

Why not just say "I reserve the right ban anyone who gets on my nerves" and spare us the crap about the 1st Amendment? At least then no one could call you a hypocrite.

It's not really a movement. This is a free-speech forum. I keep it that way because I think that's the best way to do it. A movement will come out of a group, and the group must be led by an inner ring composed entirely of capable, loyal people, and it will dictate policy to its members, which will be vetted very carefully. A forum and a group are two very different things.

No, I didn’t mean to suggest that VNN itself is a ‘group’ or a ‘movement’. You’re right, it is a free-speech forum.

But -- the people who come to that forum, and others like it, to exercise their right of free speech are, generally speaking, somewhat like-minded on issues of race, of the jews and their strangle-hold on our government, our monetary system, our media, our academia, our judiciary etc. These people, us, are who I am referring to when I say "group".

Similarly, the people of that group are like-minded in the notion that something needs to be done – in addition to speaking freely about it – to reclaim our civil rights; to reverse the free-fall that our way of life, our culture has taken into the sewer of multi-cultural diversity, feminism, faggotry and faggots rights, hiring quotas and affirmative action etc. They (we) recognize that we need action, in addition to speech. That’s what I mean by ‘movement’. But it is a movement that just hasn’t gotten moving yet. Potential movement might be a better term.

There are some things we disagree on. Vehemently. There always will be. But I see a group of people who, if they were to have met in person instead of through a computer screen, who would likely be friends or at least cordial, verbally tearing each other new assholes over points that mean almost nothing in relation to what we hope to accomplish.

So, if our potential movement is ever to become more than that, we need to focus more on what we do have in common, and what we are trying to achieve and stop gutting our natural allies in this cause over issues like whether Jesus existed or not and if he did, was he genetically jewish; or whether Elisa Strom is fat or not; or whether the toilet paper should be hung facing out or running down the wall. Important as they are, issues like these can wait until we get our country and our culture back. Then, if we have any energy left and we're still so minded, we settle these questions with pistols at 20 paces. At least our children, then, could enjoy the country and the culture that we rescued for them.

GREL

Your a fucking liar. We both fucking know it to. Before we lost the last two weeks you had taken about 2000 rep points from me and put me into the negative. I'm still missing around 1300 of them. You are a lying SOB.

You got a bit of you what you deserved, and I didn't use the administrator's console to do it. That's the point of contention here, not that I would expect you to focus long enough.

You got a bit of you what you deserved, and I didn't use the administrator's console to do it. That's the point of contention here, not that I would expect you to focus long enough.

In Phil's defense, I did see where you listed 1,300 rep points on E-bay.:D

Your a fucking liar. We both fucking know it to. Before we lost the last two weeks you had taken about 2000 rep points from me and put me into the negative. I'm still missing around 1300 of them. You are a lying SOB.

As shown in the vBulletin Control Panel image below, administrators, by default, are not subject to the restrictions concerning Daily Reputation Clicks (how many reps you can give in a day) or Reputation User Spread (how many different users you must give rep before you can give rep to the same user again).

So, although Dietrich's habit of constantly neg repping you maybe a bit excessive, it should not be considered unethical, nor should it be considered an abuse of the control panel. The amount of points Dietrich is able to give or take away with each rep he gives is based on several factors including, his admin status, the number of days he's been a member of the forum, the amount of rep he has received,etc.

Now, on the other hand, what Elisha (or another admin as she claimed earlier in this thread - LOL!), did was to go into the control panel and alter the settings so that rather than her "earned" rep power which was around 5 at the time of the incident, she had a false rep power of 35. This is considered unethical and an abuse of the control panel.

The fact that she has continuously refused to own up to doing this reflects badly on her ethics and credibility, as well as that of the board in general.

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Edit: this image was larger when I posted it here. :confused:

Look this isn't the night-in-shinning-armor bullshit I've been painted with. This is just fact as I see it about Elisha Strom:



I started being friends with Elisha because I really liked her, not because I hated KAS or thought it would help me out politically somehow. I like most everybody I meet so I have a lot of friends anyway. The Elisha being potrayed here and the one I know is like saying the earth and the moon are the same thing. Take it from me. I've never done anything dishonorable or shifty in the movement (at sports maybe).

So anyone who shuns Elisha because of one stupid reason or another are missing out on a lot. First, she works---hard. Put her on a project and she'll do it like, real-world good (as opposed to movement-half-ass). She is a great friend (one who I am overdue on meeting a simple request from!). She sticks to her pals and won't let you down, even when you are in the wrong and you've wronged her! Her loyalty is solid stuff you could build a fort on. She is very kind and most people who meet her find her interesting. She won't make you look stupid solicially and she'll befriend all your friends in a hurry. She's got a way with folks.

And she's down for the cause---big time. Even with everyone trying to run her off, she'd just work by herself---but keep working. All the "I've had it with the movement" types---take notes from her. She was getting shot at and handing out flyers at the same point in time. Never once did she even hint about turning, even when nearly everyone turned on her.

I've only been a member of two organizations since I decided to get organized. First the NA for a few years and then I joined the NSM (time of my fucking life!!). I told myself I likely wouldn't join anything else for a long time. Ha! I called Elisha the other day and told her whatever organization she joined, I'd follow her into it. She's leadership waiting to happen.

And as far as her looks goes, she's a pretty girl. I don't associate with ugly people.

I post on Stormfront under another name but decided to come clean and go by my real name here, since Alex Linder wants it that way. I've met Elisha several times, the last being at the DD Convention down in Nawlins a while back. I met her husband too and thought he acted 'gay', but besides that I got no other vibes one way or the other.

Sorry for jumping into this shit pot on my first post but like a fresh dog turd, it's the one drawing the most flies. So I decided to buzz on in.

Howdy and all.

I cant believe you are talking about her loyalty and how she "sticks by friends", in light of the incident with her husband. Shes not loyal. Shes not even loyal or looking out for the childs best interest, if you buy her story about KAS.. I mean, what kind of mother would allow her minor child to be around a man she was so deeply concerned about, regarding his pedophiliac tendencies.


She may have good traits. Funny, though, people here locally describe her as "quick to anger", and "violent". We know shes a liar. Shes demonstrated what strongly supports premeditated blackmail insurance, in how she chose to handle the issue with her husband.

...LOL, She even denied being a mod on the forum, when another user posted a screenshot of her logged in as an admin, deleting rep points. ...Admins have all the permissions mods do, and more. She was playing a stupid word game, and being deceitful.

Im sure she has her good points, no one person is entirely evil or bad. And many people have what psychologists refer to a a "cocktail personality" where they easily glide from person to person and role to role, distorting and changing their personalities as each role requires. One person may think shes "this", while another persons opinion would be shes "that", and they would both be right.

Just because you have had good experiences with her, doesnt make her a good person. And I dont even know who you are. Given her deceitful, manipulative background, for all I know she paid you to come to her defense. now, while thats unlikely, the point is we dont know your motives or involvement, either.

We do know facts. And by facts, I dont mean circulated rumors. I started in this thread saying I didnt know her, and I didnt care, though I did disagree with things shed done. Now, after witnessing the debacle, I can honestly say, I think shes a lying, manipulative, vindictive, ignorant bitch. But, thats just my opinion. Many here share it, some disagree. but, I refer to the things we know, which perhaps you conveniently choose to overlook.

I don't associate with ugly people.

That is a tad shallow.

Now, on the other hand, what Elisha (or another admin as she claimed earlier in this thread - LOL!), did was to go into the control panel and alter the settings so that rather than her "earned" rep power which was around 5 at the time of the incident, she had a false rep power of 35. This is considered unethical and an abuse of the control panel.

I'm waiting for your "ethical" buddy Dietrich to admit another admin definitely did change the settings. I notice he still has not acknowledged that he was deleting rep points before me. Both of those can be verified in the admin logs but, well, this is VNNF, so, no doubt "ethical" Dietrich will not 'fess up to anything that shows I'm not lying. On the up side, I do have the satisfaction of knowing that, until yesterday, he was unaware I had access to the admin logs and could see what he was doing also. :rofl

The fact that she has continuously refused to own up to doing this reflects badly on her ethics and credibility, as well as that of the board in general.You used hours of your media -- one that's supposed to be raising awareness about our Cause -- to bash me and initiate a rep-bomb (which you participated in) against me. Because I refuse to "own up to" things I did not do, more time has been wasted by re-airing the same program. You being the spokesman for what reflects badly is... wow. Just wow.

Lately this forum has become nothing but a soap opera with Elisha Strom and Bill White as the big villains in town that all the other characters gossip about. There was a time when VNN was always expanding, when you never knew how much deeper it was going to grow in its coverage/community/educational aspects. We had regular Goyfires, Geoff Beck, Craig Cobb, and Linder's groundbreaking Radio Istina that started up last fall. How green was my valley then......... :(

I'm waiting for your "ethical" buddy Dietrich to admit another admin definitely did change the settings. I notice he still has not acknowledged that he was deleting rep points before me.

So, this is the "because someone else did it too, that makes it ok (and okay to lie about) defense?

Can you imagine if kevin tried that in court?

Lately this forum has become nothing but a soap opera with Elisha Strom and Bill White as the big villains in town that all the other characters gossip about. There was a time when VNN was always expanding, when you never knew how much deeper it was going to grow in its coverage/community/educational aspects. We had regular Goyfires, Geoff Beck, Craig Cobb, and Linder's groundbreaking Radio Istina that started up last fall. How green was my valley then......... :(

LOL. this forum bitches about everybody and everything. Disagree, youre a "jew". blah, blah, blah.

Elisha and bill are nothing special. She just keeps digging her grave deeper, and giving people more shit to bitch about and pick apart.

I cant believe you are talking about her loyalty and how she "sticks by friends", in light of the incident with her husband. Shes not loyal. Shes not even loyal or looking out for the childs best interest, if you buy her story about KAS.. I mean, what kind of mother would allow her minor child to be around a man she was so deeply concerned about, regarding his pedophiliac tendencies..

No - "loyalty" is trumped by certain things like following an ethical and morally correct course of action. She had no apparent personal involvement with any of the children involved so "loyalty" would not be at issue in that case - ethics and morality would.


She may have good traits. Funny, though, people here locally describe her as "quick to anger", and "violent". We know shes a liar. Shes demonstrated what strongly supports premeditated blackmail insurance, in how she chose to handle the issue with her husband.

It doesn't sound so much like "blackmail insurance" as it sounds like someone who is beginning to come to grips with the truth of the situation in which they find themselves and who is smart enought to know that they are going to have to take some kind of action. While trying to figure out exactly what to do, that person is also smart enough to realize that they better have some proof of what they know is going on. Besides, didn't the police at some point put a hold on everything until they were sure they would have enought usable evidence to proceed? None of that sounds terribly suspicious.


...LOL, She even denied being a mod on the forum, when another user posted a screenshot of her logged in as an admin, deleting rep points. ...Admins have all the permissions mods do, and more. She was playing a stupid word game, and being deceitful.

Also not true. In the past, I have been an Office Administrator. While in that position I could perform any functions of a secretary in the firm. I did not, however, refer to myself as a secretary and I was not being devious, dishonest or a liar when I did so. If someone had asked me if I was a secretary I would have answered "no".



We do know facts. And by facts, I dont mean circulated rumors. I started in this thread saying I didnt know her, and I didnt care, though I did disagree with things shed done. Now, after witnessing the debacle, I can honestly say, I think shes a lying, manipulative, vindictive, ignorant bitch. But, thats just my opinion. Many here share it, some disagree. but, I refer to the things we know, which perhaps you conveniently choose to overlook]

The "facts" you refer to seem to be substantially in dispute. I understand the motivations of many other people here, but for someone new to this whole situation, who does not know her personally as I do not, and who has missed 99.9% of this whole mess as it has been played out on these forums over the last many months, I wonder at why you seem so anxious to come up with a hardline negative assessment of her?

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You are incredibly naive.

No - "loyalty" is trumped by certain things like following an ethical and morally correct course of action. She had no apparent personal involvement with any of the children involved so "loyalty" would not be at issue in that case - ethics and morality would.




It doesn't sound so much like "blackmail insurance" as it sounds like someone who is beginning to come to grips with the truth of the situation in which they find themselves and who is smart enought to know that they are going to have to take some kind of action. While trying to figure out exactly what to do, that person is also smart enough to realize that they better have some proof of what they know is going on. Besides, didn't the police at some point put a hold on everything until they were sure they would have enought usable evidence to proceed? None of that sounds terribly suspicious.




Also not true. In the past, I have been an Office Administrator. While in that position I could perform any functions of a secretary in the firm. I did not, however, refer to myself as a secretary and I was not being devious, dishonest or a liar when I did so. If someone had asked me if I was a secretary I would have answered "no".





The "facts" you refer to seem to be substantially in dispute. I understand the motivations of many other people here, but for someone new to this whole situation, who does not know her personally as I do not, and who has missed 99.9% of this whole mess as it has been played out on these forums over the last many months, I wonder at why you seem so anxious to come up with a hardline negative assessment of her?
For the first time ever, I agree with OTPTT.

Loyalty and common decency, as well as ethics and good judgment all come into play regarding the small child.

"Coming to grips"? LOL, *cough* bullshit! *cough*.

Im dealing with facts presented in newspapers here locally, and court findings regarding Kevin strom, and court actions regarding elisha (R/T order of protection, keeping her away from kevin). These facts, contrary to what you assert, certainly cant be held "in dispute". Her statements. Her actions. ..Thats all I am judging her by. Fuck what everyone else says about her, I dont know where they get it from or if its credible. I would venture to say mine are credible sources. I dont go by things I cant take as fact, and there is certainly enough bias against her here, that I really just take anything anyone says about her with a grain of salt. ...Thats why I withheld judgment on the issue, until I had the facts and information necessary, to make my own well-informed decision.

I wasnt eager to crucify her. I wasnt "anxious to come up with a hardline assessment of her". ...quite the opposite. Review the early posts, see it for yourself, dont take my word for it. I stayed out of it and didnt jump on the "nail elisha" bandwagon, until Id seen her behavior, witnessed her lie, and learned more about the case here.

You are incredibly naive.

No, I am not naive at all. I am the Devil's Advocate here and have been all along. As I have stated, I know none of the players in this drama and I have no axe to grind one way or another. I have seen all the information that has been played out in these forums and I can also see clearly that the assessment of the available information has been far from complete or entirely accurate, rather it has been pretty much one sided and driven by personal interests. As always here, childish, silly complaints about things like rep games or personal opinions about women and their "place" or some past, perceived personal insult color every assessment of everything. If at some point in the past someone screwed with your rep or gave you too many red dots or supposedly said something negative about you to someone you know they are suddenly a Fed or a jew or a wicked, devious individual. Somewhere along the line other possible points of view need to be represented. I don't know if Elisha Strom is a saint or a devil or something in between but I do know that alternate possibilities need to be considered - for the sake of honesty and fairness ... and we all do want to be honest and fair now, don't we?

No, I am not naive at all. I am the Devil's Advocate here and have been all along. As I have stated, I know none of the players in this drama and I have no axe to grind one way or another. I have seen all the information that has been played out in these forums and I can also see clearly that the assessment of the available information has been far from complete or entirely accurate, rather it has been pretty much one sided and driven by personal interests. As always here, childish, silly complaints about things like rep games or personal opinions about women and their "place" or some past, perceived personal insult color every assessment of everything. If at so.....

So, you base your knowledge of fact one one-sided portrayals and biased opinions in forums, while I base my opinions on court rulings, personal statements, and news reports... and you have the nerve to call my facts "highly disputable"?

LOL. thats classic. '-)

I cant believe you are talking about her loyalty and how she "sticks by friends", in light of the incident with her husband. Shes not loyal. Shes not even loyal or looking out for the childs best interest, if you buy her story about KAS.. I mean, what kind of mother would allow her minor child to be around a man she was so deeply concerned about, regarding his pedophiliac tendencies.


She may have good traits. Funny, though, people here locally describe her as "quick to anger", and "violent". We know shes a liar. Shes demonstrated what strongly supports premeditated blackmail insurance, in how she chose to handle the issue with her husband.

...LOL, She even denied being a mod on the forum, when another user posted a screenshot of her logged in as an admin, deleting rep points. ...Admins have all the permissions mods do, and more. She was playing a stupid word game, and being deceitful.

Im sure she has her good points, no one person is entirely evil or bad. And many people have what psychologists refer to a a "cocktail personality" where they easily glide from person to person and role to role, distorting and changing their personalities as each role requires. One person may think shes "this", while another persons opinion would be shes "that", and they would both be right.

Just because you have had good experiences with her, doesnt make her a good person. And I dont even know who you are. Given her deceitful, manipulative background, for all I know she paid you to come to her defense. now, while thats unlikely, the point is we dont know your motives or involvement, either.

We do know facts. And by facts, I dont mean circulated rumors. I started in this thread saying I didnt know her, and I didnt care, though I did disagree with things shed done. Now, after witnessing the debacle, I can honestly say, I think shes a lying, manipulative, vindictive, ignorant bitch. But, thats just my opinion. Many here share it, some disagree. but, I refer to the things we know, which perhaps you conveniently choose to overlook.

The "facts" you presented above are in bold. They appear pretty subjective, questionable and open to debate, and one sided. There seem to be a number of people here, including Alex Linder, who claim to know her and who say all these assessments of her are incorrect.

"Now, after witnessing the debacle" What debacle? The preceding posts about the horrifying instances of rep games? We have already ascertained that she was not incorrect in stating she was an Admin rather than a Mod.

I can honestly say, I think shes a lying, manipulative, vindictive, ignorant bitch. But, thats just my opinion. Many here share it, some disagree. but, I refer to the things we know, Opinion - that much is true. Things we "know" - no, more like items that have clearly been disputed.

So, you base your knowledge of fact one one-sided portrayals and biased opinions in forums, while I base my opinions on court rulings, personal statements, and news reports... and you have the nerve to call my facts "highly disputable"?

LOL. thats classic. '-)

Actually, it would appear that you are the one basing a hardline opinion on "one-sided portrayals and biased opinions in forums". Where do you provide "court rulings" and precisely what is the difference between what you refer to as "personal statements" of locals and "one-sided portrayals and biased opinions in forums"? *cough* bullshit! *cough*

And YOU have the nerve to cop an attitude?? You're right ... you truly are "classic" LOL :hflol

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Loyalty and common decency, as well as ethics and good judgment all come into play regarding the small child.

As I stated, ethics and morality ("common decency") yes, but it is difficult to exhibit loyalty to a stranger, or to a person, an organization or group with whom one has never had any personal involvement.

loyal

Main Entry: loy·al
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Old French leial, leel, from Latin legalis legal
Date: 1531
1: unswerving in allegiance: as a: faithful in allegiance to one's lawful sovereign or government b: faithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due c: faithful to a cause, ideal, custom, institution, or product

Main Entry: fi·del·i·ty
Pronunciation: \fə-ˈde-lə-tē, fī-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural fi·del·i·ties
Etymology: Middle English fidelite, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French fidelité, from Latin fidelitat-, fidelitas, from fidelis faithful, from fides faith, from fidere to trust — more at bide
Date: 15th century
1 a: the quality or state of being faithful b: accuracy in details : exactness
synonyms fidelity allegiance fealty loyalty devotion piety mean faithfulness to something to which one is bound by pledge or duty. fidelity implies strict and continuing faithfulness to an obligation, trust, or duty <marital fidelity>. allegiance suggests an adherence like that of citizens to their country <pledging allegiance>. fealty implies a fidelity acknowledged by the individual and as compelling as a sworn vow <fealty to the truth>. loyalty implies a faithfulness that is steadfast in the face of any temptation to renounce, desert, or betray <valued the loyalty of his friends>. devotion stresses zeal and service amounting to self-dedication <a painter's devotion to her art>.

You got a bit of you what you deserved, and I didn't use the administrator's console to do it. That's the point of contention here, not that I would expect you to focus long enough.


D, what happened to your rep. Did Elisha hack into the forum database?:p

The "facts" you presented above are in bold. They appear pretty subjective, questionable and open to debate, and one sided. There seem to be a number of people here, including Alex Linder, who claim to know her and who say all these assessments of her are incorrect.

What debacle? The preceding posts about the horrifying instances of rep games? We have already ascertained that she was not incorrect in stating she was an Admin rather than a Mod.

Opinion - that much is true. Things we "know" - no, more like items that have clearly been disputed.



Actually, it would appear that you are the one basing a hardline opinion on "one-sided portrayals and biased opinions in forums". Where do you provide "court rulings" and precisely what is the difference between what you refer to as "personal statements" of locals and "one-sided portrayals and biased opinions in forums"? *cough* bullshit! *cough*

And YOU have the nerve to cop an attitude?? You're right ... you truly are "classic" LOL :hflol

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As I stated, ethics and morality ("common decency") yes, but it is difficult to exhibit loyalty to a stranger, or to a person, an organization or group with whom one has never had any personal involvement.

loyal

Main Entry: loy·al
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Old French leial, leel, from Latin legalis legal
Date: 1531
1: unswerving in allegiance: as a: faithful in allegiance to one's lawful sovereign or government b: faithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due c: faithful to a cause, ideal, custom, institution, or product

Main Entry: fi·del·i·ty
Pronunciation: fə-ˈde-lə-tē, fī-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural fi·del·i·ties
Etymology: Middle English fidelite, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French fidelité, from Latin fidelitat-, fidelitas, from fidelis faithful, from fides faith, from fidere to trust — more at bide
Date: 15th century
1 a: the quality or state of being faithful b: accuracy in details : exactness
synonyms fidelity allegiance fealty loyalty devotion piety mean faithfulness to something to which one is bound by pledge or duty. fidelity implies strict and continuing faithfulness to an obligation, trust, or duty <marital fidelity>. allegiance suggests an adherence like that of citizens to their country <pledging allegiance>. fealty implies a fidelity acknowledged by the individual and as compelling as a sworn vow <fealty to the truth>. loyalty implies a faithfulness that is steadfast in the face of any temptation to renounce, desert, or betray <valued the loyalty of his friends>. devotion stresses zeal and service amounting to self-dedication <a painter's devotion to her art>.

The court rulings can be googled by anyone. Id reccomend looking up back articles on the local publications "The Hook" and "C-ville'. You can also google "Kevin Strom charges dismissed", which will pull up several news articles reporting the facts that the "enticing of a minor" charge, and Elishas attempt at having him prosecuted for "Intimidating a witness" (after he filed court charges against her), were dismissed. Other charges that the DA wanted to bring but which relied solely on Elishas testimony, were dismissed because her entire motives and character were called into question.

LOL, things like her obviously being an admin, and admins having all the permissions mods do, are not at all questionable. Ask anyone who runs a forum. Her playing the stupid word game and denying having moderator abilities on the forum, were proven to be false. Thats not in question. She admits (after being confronted with the screenshots, that Iim sure she never would have guessed existed) she had moderator permissions. Thats absolutely not in question.

Said news reports refer to her as being described as "quick to anger" and "violent". There was a court-ordered protective order, keeping her from Kevin. those arent disputable.

LOL, the debacle was the bullshit on this forum, and her desperately trying to do damage control, and getting caught in her lies.

Now that you have your own means to investigate my facts, Ill accept your apology in advance.. Obviously, and I dont know how you could even say it, I didnt form my opinions off bullshit I heard other people say in a forum, I learned it-as I said- from court rulings, news reports, and personal statements. Youre just being ignorant. you admitted to getting all your fact from forums, youre the one whos naive. I didnt trust anything i saw anyone else say about her, because there was such an obvious bias against her. My opinions were primarily formed by her, and from reading about the case. Reading real news article documenting real court action and statements, not reading some bullshit allegation spewed in a public forum by god-knows-who. Maybe thats how you get most your facts, personally, I prefer the ones based more in fact, than rumor.

Besides.. *grin*.. let elisha read it.. she knows its all true.. Im sure she also never thought anyone from charlottesville, would be on the forum, or would care enough about the facts to look to local news resources, instead of just relying on chit-chat and common banter, of third party forum users who only knew what they had heard from other third-party uninvolved people, who didnt care enough to research the facts.

as I said. I get my facts from news reports, court procedinigs, and personal documented statments. You admittedly get your facts from biased perspective of forums. Whos facts are disputable? I mean, if anything the news reports said werent true, elisha could have (and Im sure would have) sued the shit out of them. Anything they print, has to be verified by multiple sources, so they arent at risk for libel and slander lawsuits. Theres no way out.

And there are tons more articles on the kevin/elisha thing. Get off your lazy ass and google it yourself. I mean, if I read something questionable, I have the natural reaction to look it up, especially if Im going to argue with someone about it.

LOL, if you want to keep playing "The Devils Advocate" (as you put it), fine.. but please, next time come armed with facts that are indisputable, and not ridiculous meanderings of one whos speaking blindly about that which she does not know, and obviously hasnt even put the time into researching.. I mean, you called things "disputable" that have occurred in this very thread.. I dont mind a debate, but Id prefer a more intelligent one.


Incidentally, in your own definition, "aithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due [/COLOR]" proved my point, precisely. Thanks.

...I mean, who deserves her loyalty and fidelity, more than the child?

LOl, yankee jane, one thing I will give you, is at least you dont call everyone a jew, who disagrees with what youre saying, like some people do. :-)

The "facts" you presented above are in bold. They appear pretty subjective, questionable and open to debate, and one sided.


These are a few of the issues I wanted to discuss with Mrs. Strom had she decided to join us on Free Talk Live Monday. :)


-Jim

The court rulings can be googled by anyone. Id reccomend looking up back articles on the local publications "The Hook" and "C-ville'. You can also google "Kevin Strom charges dismissed", which will pull up several news articles reporting the facts that the "enticing of a minor" charge, and Elishas attempt at having him prosecuted for "Intimidating a witness" (after he filed court charges against her), were dismissed. Other charges that the DA wanted to bring but which relied solely on Elishas testimony, were dismissed because her entire motives and character were called into question.

LOL, things like her obviously being an admin, and admins having all the permissions mods do, are not at all questionable. Ask anyone who runs a forum. Her playing the stupid word game and denying having moderator abilities on the forum, were proven to be false. Thats not in question. She admits (after being confronted with the screenshots, that Iim sure she never would have guessed existed) she had moderator permissions. Thats absolutely not in question.

Said news reports refer to her as being described as "quick to anger" and "violent". There was a court-ordered protective order, keeping her from Kevin. those arent disputable.

LOL, the debacle was the bullshit on this forum, and her desperately trying to do damage control, and getting caught in her lies.

Now that you have your own means to investigate my facts, Ill accept your apology in advance.. Obviously, and I dont know how you could even say it, I didnt form my opinions off bullshit I heard other people say in a forum, I learned it-as I said- from court rulings, news reports, and personal statements. Youre just being ignorant. you admitted to getting all your fact from forums, youre the one whos naive. I didnt trust anything i saw anyone else say about her, because there was such an obvious bias against her. My opinions were primarily formed by her, and from reading about the case. Reading real news article documenting real court action and statements, not reading some bullshit allegation spewed in a public forum by god-knows-who. Maybe thats how you get most your facts, personally, I prefer the ones based more in fact, than rumor.

Besides.. *grin*.. let elisha read it.. she knows its all true.. Im sure she also never thought anyone from charlottesville, would be on the forum, or would care enough about the facts to look to local news resources, instead of just relying on chit-chat and common banter, of third party forum users who only knew what they had heard from other third-party uninvolved people, who didnt care enough to research the facts.

as I said. I get my facts from news reports, court procedinigs, and personal documented statments. You admittedly get your facts from biased perspective of forums. Whos facts are disputable? I mean, if anything the news reports said werent true, elisha could have (and Im sure would have) sued the shit out of them. Anything they print, has to be verified by multiple sources, so they arent at risk for libel and slander lawsuits. Theres no way out.

And there are tons more articles on the kevin/elisha thing. Get off your lazy ass and google it yourself. I mean, if I read something questionable, I have the natural reaction to look it up, especially if Im going to argue with someone about it.

LOL, if you want to keep playing "The Devils Advocate" (as you put it), fine.. but please, next time come armed with facts that are indisputable, and not ridiculous meanderings of one whos speaking blindly about that which she does not know, and obviously hasnt even put the time into researching.. I mean, you called things "disputable" that have occurred in this very thread.. I dont mind a debate, but Id prefer a more intelligent one.

You mentioned "facts" you presented as the basis for your "opinion". You presented none of the things you list above. If you want to support your own opinion, then present your "facts" as outlined above. Not my responsibility.


Incidentally, in your own definition, "aithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due [/COLOR]" proved my point, precisely. Thanks.

No, it certainly didn't.

...I mean, who deserves her loyalty and fidelity, more than the child?

She would owe loyalty to a child with whom she has a personal history and connection. To other children she would owe a moral and ethical responsibility.


Troll. Pfffft.

Don't you just love it when dumb broads type paragraph after paragraph of mindless trivial bullshit that no one reads but themselves. Cackling hens Itz.

lol. whatever...

I notice you chose to avoid the other facts that were in fact indisputable.. heres a couple more for you, and a link.. i know how lazy you are.

She smiles and admits in court, she has a worse temper than him.

When kevin asks if his three children from a prior relationship can visit over the christmas season, she pelts him with eggs.

A lawyer reviewing the facts and evidence that elisha helped to obtain states:
"“I can’t find a single enticement or direct communication between the defendant and the minor child that involved discussion about sex,”

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php?s=pedophilia


She is a lair. thats a fact. her own email address was "manipulator@*.com", so it appears even she knows shes a manipulator.

She knows everything I said is true.

You want to quote your sources and facts? LOL, I mean, If you wont dig through a bunch of bullshit third-party responses and comments to establish your case, why should I spend all night googling everything and posting links to it?

And she didnt conduct herself with any moral or ethical standing. Call it loyalty, call it ethics, call it human decency.. please, the debate over semantics is really lame.

Fuck you, Steve. *yawn*.. Funny though, I just thought you were stupid.. Fur and Loathing insinuated you were "ball-less". Ever go back to that thread? For what its worth, I told her I didnt make you "squirm".. I also said you were a "big boy".. but I know, I may have erred, in the process of giving you the benefit of the doubt.

(For the ADHD impaired, I hope that was short enough).

And about your Alex Linder defense statement, he said he liked her and her real life wass more interesting than the rumors, he never stated one way or another, if she was a mod/admin.. this was proven elsewhere. He didnt offer a glowing reference.

Besides, shes gone out of her way to support him. (Even though shes supposed to be a "former" member of a white nationalist group).. I would hope he would have the loyalty to reciprocate. And I never said she was all bad.

(R/T order of protection, keeping her away from kevin).

You are a liar. If there was an order of protection there would be a public record of it.

It absolutely amazes me that the self-admitted pedophile still has supporters like yourself who will defend him any way that you can.

I can see why Kevin would be attracted. No hips, just like most 8 year olds.

As the resident beaner banger on the forum,I'm sure this is much more to your liking.

http://autone.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/30224051.jpg

I'm waiting for your "ethical" buddy Dietrich to admit another admin definitely did change the settings. I notice he still has not acknowledged that he was deleting rep points before me. Both of those can be verified in the admin logs but, well, this is VNNF, so, no doubt "ethical" Dietrich will not 'fess up to anything that shows I'm not lying. On the up side, I do have the satisfaction of knowing that, until yesterday, he was unaware I had access to the admin logs and could see what he was doing also. :rofl

So Dietrich did it. Is that what you're saying? Cause it sounds like that's what you're saying.

You used hours of your media -- one that's supposed to be raising awareness about our Cause -- to bash me and initiate a rep-bomb (which you participated in) against me. Because I refuse to "own up to" things I did not do, more time has been wasted by re-airing the same program. You being the spokesman for what reflects badly is... wow. Just wow.

No. I didn't use hours of media for anything. I don't have any say about what's broadcast here, aside from an occasional music request Stan and Jim might play for me from time to time on their Monday Night FTL show (those two really do a good show, you should check it out). ;)

I did tune into a show that night that was initiated by some of the guys that were offended that you had busted up in here with less than 20 posts acting like you owned the place, moving threads, deleting posts, etc, after we had been informed that you were here only to do some "administrative" tweaking of the scripts and such. I also attempted to listen to the re-broadcast of that show a few nights ago until the feed was cut for reasons unknown. :rofl

As for being a spokesman for anything, I'm only the spokesman for me and a spotted dog that hangs out with me.

These are a few of the issues I wanted to discuss with Mrs. Strom had she decided to join us on Free Talk Live Monday.

Jim, she was about two posts away from coming on the show the other night til OTPTT came by and spooked her with some tough questions. :rofl

She smiles and admits in court, she has a worse temper than him.

Because I'm honest.

When kevin asks if his three children from a prior relationship can visit over the christmas season, she pelts him with eggs.False.

A lawyerKevin's.

reviewing the facts and evidence that elisha helped to obtain states:
"“I can’t find a single enticement or direct communication between the defendant and the minor child that involved discussion about sex,”

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php?s=pedophiliaSame lawyer (his) that says:

"Strom also denies that he's a pedophile," says Harris. "Possession of child pornography does not equal being a pedophile," she says.

http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2008/01/17/NEWS-strom-elisha-C.rtf.aspx

Because everyone knows when you aren't interested in sex with children, naturally it's kiddie porn you download to whack off to. :eek:

her own email address was "manipulator@*.com", so it appears even she knows shes a manipulator.Darn it! And here I thought no one would ever find out my VERY PUBLIC email address and IRC username I've had for years.

Little known facts: Kevin picked out my email address and set up the account for me. His email address was kevin.strom@innocent.com. :rolleyes:

She knows everything I said is true.I know that everything you're saying is almost word for word out of Kevin's mouth; that makes it untrue. And, quite frankly, scary.

Because I'm honest.

False.



:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Sorry. That one was just too easy to pass up.

Don't you just love it when dumb broads type paragraph after paragraph of mindless trivial bullshit that no one reads but themselves. Cackling hens Itz.

I'll put up my cackling hen against your cackling hen......:rofl

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/PCMagician/animals/hilarious-1.jpg

SteveB:
Don't you just love it when dumb broads type paragraph after paragraph of mindless trivial bullshit that no one reads but themselves. Cackling hens Itz.
Once again, this obtuse, boring prick chimes in with a say-nothing post that he thinks is so witty.
Steve, your act was old as many as 5 years ago. Change it.

Whether or not Jane#5 is correct, her post is not mindless. She makes claims, and gives her reasons. That is way more than whatever I see you, or most others do. You call her a cackling hen. Hey, I'm as misogynistic as anyone, probably more so, but to me it is clear she has more brains and character than many of the "men" here.
I honestly think most of the people here have no idea what constitutes a discussion. All they do is spout unsupported babble.

lol. whatever...

I notice you chose to avoid the other facts that were in fact indisputable.. heres a couple more for you, and a link.. i know how lazy you are.

She smiles and admits in court, she has a worse temper than him.

When kevin asks if his three children from a prior relationship can visit over the christmas season, she pelts him with eggs.

A lawyer reviewing the facts and evidence that elisha helped to obtain states:
"“I can’t find a single enticement or direct communication between the defendant and the minor child that involved discussion about sex,”

http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php?s=pedophilia


She is a lair. thats a fact. her own email address was "manipulator@*.com", so it appears even she knows shes a manipulator.

She knows everything I said is true.

You want to quote your sources and facts? LOL, I mean, If you wont dig through a bunch of bullshit third-party responses and comments to establish your case, why should I spend all night googling everything and posting links to it?

And she didnt conduct herself with any moral or ethical standing. Call it loyalty, call it ethics, call it human decency.. please, the debate over semantics is really lame.

Fuck you, Steve. *yawn*.. Funny though, I just thought you were stupid.. Fur and Loathing insinuated you were "ball-less". Ever go back to that thread? For what its worth, I told her I didnt make you "squirm".. I also said you were a "big boy".. but I know, I may have erred, in the process of giving you the benefit of the doubt.

(For the ADHD impaired, I hope that was short enough).

Get off it. You are the lazy one who does not provide the "facts" she claims to have.

Although they are allowed here, trolls, antis and jews are a huge waste of time. Rant on with your lies, obfuscations and jew-like name calling.

Though it may be a bit advanced for you "Pfffft" means "You are dismissed".

You are ignored.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve B
Don't you just love it when dumb broads type paragraph after paragraph of mindless trivial bullshit that no one reads but themselves. Cackling hens Itz.


I'll put up my cackling hen against your cackling hen......:rofl

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/PCMagician/animals/hilarious-1.jpg


Ahhh ... the two-line wonders of the forum have both chimed in! Really, boys, shouldn't you both be PMing titty photos to each other??? :rofl

Ahhh ... the two-line wonders of the forum have both chimed in! Really, boys, shouldn't you both be PMing titty photos to each other??? :rofl

Lmao, and what makes you think we can't still be doing that. We know where I priorities lie........:rofl

Did someone say Titties?

http://www.dagimp.org/owned/titties.jpg.jpg

http://autone.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/30224051.jpg

Completely off topic, but GREAT pic! Thanks! The answer, of course, is precisely HER! Got to share this one with P. Visser in case he misses it! ROFL :hflol

Did someone say Titties?

http://www.dagimp.org/owned/titties.jpg.jpg

I do believe someone is winking at me.......;)

I do believe someone is winking at me.......;)

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!! I'm so glad you guys can't be manipulated! One little sentence and the whole thread gets derailed in the expected direction! :lulz: :rofl

I'm waiting for your "ethical" buddy Dietrich to admit another admin definitely did change the settings. I notice he still has not acknowledged that he was deleting rep points before me.

You say that Aimee changed the "rep power" for admins. Well, it happened to be at the same time that there was this huge chimp-out over rep that involved yourself and a bunch of others. I deleted the negs you left others at the artificial level, and I stand by it, since rep isn't allowed to be decided by a single admin.

Both of those can be verified in the admin logs but, well, this is VNNF, so, no doubt "ethical" Dietrich will not 'fess up to anything that shows I'm not lying.
I don't think you're lying. You were out of line with what is admitted--it says right there in the rules that we won't delete someone's posts en mass. You happened to have had the power to do it to yourself, so you did it. Stan was (to him, mercifully) removed from the admin position because he deleted one user's post history. The same thing would happen to me, and I would deserve it. Alex lets us run wild on here yet he has like 3 basic rules. That's one of them, and you couldn't hold to it.

Water under the bridge, but I do want it to be known that I am aware that I'm responsible for what I do, and I wanted to admit to the "charge" of having deleted those few negs you gave out at the artificial level. I also want to say that I think the comparison between what I did and your illicit deletion of your entire post history, along with rep, is bogus. But like I say, "meh." It's hardly worth all of this, and that fact that people bring, of all things, up . . . Jesus, people should go hammer Stan (but not rly), since he essentially did the same thing.

No, people want to hammer Elisha because . . . well I've never really gotten a straight answer on it beyond "she looked fat in that one picture," or "ZOMG she burned Revilo Oliver's precious documents," (which ended up being photocopies. I don't really like getting into these things, but you have to wonder about the charges here, since it smells so much like shit being thrown against the wall to see what sticks.

On the up side, I do have the satisfaction of knowing that, until yesterday, he was unaware I had access to the admin logs and could see what he was doing also. :rofl

I never hid the fact that I deleted those few negs you handed out. That's the thing with me--I do my shit out in the open. Learned it from being a musician. If I make a mistake, I would rather do it out loud than play everything else timidly as if I was doing something I shouldn't be.

You used hours of your media -- one that's supposed to be raising awareness about our Cause -- to bash me and initiate a rep-bomb (which you participated in) against me. Because I refuse to "own up to" things I did not do, more time has been wasted by re-airing the same program. You being the spokesman for what reflects badly is... wow. Just wow.

More like "meh . . . just . . . meh."

Overall, I'd say that people are forgetting that "Elisha" isn't the name of a forum personality, but they say things they'd never say to another human being were this not the internet. It's one thing to say "Dietrich sucks black cocks,"* since it's not true, and yet srsly funny. It's another to say "Dietrich is a shitty parent and his ______ should divorce him," since that is rather personal, and in the end, nobody's business besides our own. At the same time, it's equally easy for someone to say either of these over the internet, but to the target, it's night/day.

Lastly, I never use the icons I installed, so I will now:

T.N.B.T.J.B.:[]:nigsign::nigalert::hangnig::monkeynig:

Thanks for reading.

*that was in the comments section to our vnnb radio listener survey :]

Is this the place I bitch about my rep count?:eek:

Is this the place I bitch about my rep count?:eek:

Actually, you can do that anywhere.:rolleyes:

Because I'm honest.




So...does that mean you'll be joining us on a Free Talk Live Monday? :)


-Jim

Seriously Elisha. If you want to get all this shit out in the open, kick the bullshit to the curb, straighten out the lipflappin going on about you and the KAS crap/your place in this 'White movement' once and for all, just come on the show and state your case, push buttons, whatever. I know I'll be a professional about it. Jim? He's his own man but I know him as a fair, intelligent professional when we go to air. So what do you think?

Seriously Elisha. If you want to get all this shit out in the open, kick the bullshit to the curb, straighten out the lipflappin going on about you and the KAS crap/your place in this 'White movement' once and for all, just come on the show and state your case, push buttons, whatever. I know I'll be a professional about it. Jim? He's his own man but I know him as a fair, intelligent professional when we go to air. So what do you think?

She's probably a-scared you and that mean ole, hard hearted, ex trucker Yankee Jim are gonna dog pile her.

Since Linder is the one who originally brought her on the VNN luxury yacht, how about you ask Elisha and Alex on the show, to balance things out as they say.

I dont think Elisha has anything to worry about if she does a FTL with stan/jim... IMO Stan is always respectful and asks fair questions.. Jim on the other hand is a loose cannon :rofl

Elisha, desite her experiences with Kevin and the enormous amount of vicious abuse she has received from her "brothers and sisters," still openly and bravely affirms her White Nationalist beliefs to the mainstream media.

For that alone, she deserves our admiration and respect.

Elisha, desite her experiences with Kevin and the enormous amount of vicious abuse she has received from her "brothers and sisters," still openly and bravely affirms her White Nationalist beliefs to the mainstream media.

For that alone, she deserves our admiration and respect.

Agreed, her firm stand for her race after some of these attacks shows her commitment to this cause.
It would be nice to hear more of her thoughts on subjects without the barrage of attacks. Disagree with her fine, but the never ending personal stuff is just old.

Your a fucking liar. We both fucking know it to. Before we lost the last two weeks you had taken about 2000 rep points from me and put me into the negative. I'm still missing around 1300 of them. You are a lying SOB.

Here is a pic of what my rep has looked like since Bill posted the thread about Ron Paul.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/88punx/474747.jpg

Wow Dietrich, you really are a punk. You should stay anonymous.

Btw, if you want to talk, here is my home phone (503) 807-8706.

Agreed, her firm stand for her race after some of these attacks shows her commitment to this cause.
It would be nice to hear more of her thoughts on subjects without the barrage of attacks. Disagree with her fine, but the never ending personal stuff is just old.

Am I the only one that finds many of her actions more than questionable? I asked a series of questions in post #85 related to her behavior toward a man of her race. She refuses to answer them and resorts to name calling. Without clear answers to questions I and others have it's really impossible to say with any certainty what motivates Elisha. For reasons of self preservation I will have nothing to do with Elisha. I don't trust her but that's just my opinion although I've been wrong in the past.

LMFAO.

Rep bombing from dietrich :rofl

LMFAO.

Rep bombing from dietrich :rofl

Sometimes, you have to destroy the village to save it. :D

LMFAO.

Rep bombing from dietrich :rofl


At least he did it the honest way and not through the admin control panel LOL.

I suspected as much.

Say goodnight, faggot.

God damn, Bill White and his girlfriends are allowed to kvetch all over this forum and Subrosa is banned.

I'm utterly dismayed by all of these personal pissing matches. Shame.

We should be able to state our views, say “fuck you” to each other, and get on with it.

Wow Dietrich, you really are a punk.

I'm the commander of the punk mob squad.

Btw, if you want to talk, here is my home phone (503) 807-8706.

I know. I saw it already, but decided I didn't want that kind of a "good time," kthx.

LOL, I'm staying the fuck out of this. The funny thing is, I don't have a fucking clue as to what this is all about. How the hell does one stay up on all this intrigue?

LOL, I'm staying the fuck out of this. The funny thing is, I don't have a fucking clue as to what this is all about. How the hell does one stay up on all this intrigue?

Cliff Notes.

Elisha, desite her experiences with Kevin and the enormous amount of vicious abuse she has received from her "brothers and sisters," still openly and bravely affirms her White Nationalist beliefs to the mainstream media.

For that alone, she deserves our admiration and respect.

Thats actually NOT true. In all the reports and courtroom transcripts, she always described herself as a 'former' WN, etc..

Thats actually NOT true.That actually IS true.

Excerpt from article NEWS- Parents beware: White man's wife speaks out (http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2008/01/17/NEWS-strom-elisha-C.rtf.aspx):

"I still consider myself a white nationalist, but I don't consider myself part of that organization anymore," she says. "I don't want to be associated with a group that thinks a pedophile is okay."

She also says she would never call herself a racist.

"I want separation of the races," she explains. "I want a white nation."

She thinks other races should also have their own nations.

In all the reports and courtroom transcripts, she always described herself as a 'former' WN, etc..Cite?

Jane, let me make it simple. Quit spewing lies about the trial and the transcripts. Either print the material you claim exists, which does not, shut up, or you're out of here.

Jane, let me make it simple. Quit spewing lies about the trial and the transcripts. Either print the material you claim exists, which does not, shut up, or you're out of here.


Gudbye to Jane


:rofl:rofl:rofl

Jane, let me make it simple. Quit spewing lies about the trial and the transcripts. Either print the material you claim exists, which does not, shut up, or you're out of here.

Earlier in the thread, I did post the quotes from the transcripts which were quoted ver batim by the local media, with the appropriate links. Its not just one source, its several. I didnt just pull this crap out of my ass.

Incidentally, anyone who really wants to put this monster to rest, I make you the following proposition:

I think Mr. Linder had a great idea. If someone else will cover the cost of obtaining the records, I will take the time to go get them, and post all relevant material. Enough of the he-said/she-said. Lets get this settled once, and for all. If Im wrong about anything Ive said, Ill admit it and apologize. However, I think that the facts that come out, could be even more interesting than anything covered, so far.

(Edit:I just called the US District Court clerk and spoke to the court reporter, Sonia Farris at 434-295-6909. Shes calling me back to let me know if they in fact have the records, and then Ill find out the cost. Ive never done this, before. If its $20 or less, Ill do it, myself.)

(Edit: Just heard back, they do have the testimony, at 3.65/page, the estimate was $244.55, and could take up to 30 days to obtain, though she said usually less time is needed. Ill chip in $20, who else wants to contribute? PM me.)

Come on, people. Elisha Supporters, Elisha Haters... put up, or shut up.

(Edit: Just heard back, they do have the testimony, at 3.65/page, the estimate was $244.55, and could take up to 30 days to obtain, though she said usually less time is needed. Ill chip in $20, who else wants to contribute? PM me.)

All available records can be accessed by anyone via PACER (http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/) for only .08 cents a page.

Incidentally, anyone who really wants to put this monster to rest, I make you the following proposition:

I think Mr. Linder had a great idea. If someone else will cover the cost of obtaining the records, I will take the time to go get them, and post all relevant material. Enough of the he-said/she-said. Lets get this settled once, and for all. If Im wrong about anything Ive said, Ill admit it and apologize. However, I think that the facts that come out, could be even more interesting than anything covered, so far.

(Edit:I just called the US District Court clerk and spoke to the court reporter, Sonia Farris at 434-295-6909. Shes calling me back to let me know if they in fact have the records, and then Ill find out the cost. Ive never done this, before. If its $20 or less, Ill do it, myself.)

(Edit: Just heard back, they do have the testimony, at 3.65/page, the estimate was $244.55, and could take up to 30 days to obtain, though she said usually less time is needed. Ill chip in $20, who else wants to contribute? PM me.)

Come on, people. Elisha Supporters, Elisha Haters... put up, or shut up.

Who on earth would care about this enough to cough up twenty hard earned bucks?:confused:

Who on earth would care about this enough to cough up twenty hard earned bucks?:confused:

What he said. Old news.

All available records can be accessed by anyone via PACER (http://pacer.psc.uscourts.gov/) for only .08 cents a page.

According to the link you provided, they only provide the following:
* A listing of all parties and participants including judges, attorneys, and trustees
* A compilation of case related information such as cause of action, nature of suit, and dollar demand
* A chronology of dates of case events entered in the case record
* A claims registry
* A listing of new cases each day
* Appellate court opinions
* Judgments or case status
* Types of documents filed for certain cases
* Imaged copies of documents

I want the testimony.

Who on earth would care about this enough to cough up twenty hard earned bucks?:confused:

LOL, if my integrity is being called into question, I have no problem with it.