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The Final Solution
06-23-2004, 09:04 AM
[A must read for anyone who believes that the Catholic nation-wrecking campaign in 'Kwa, amply documented in this forum, is somehow motivated or coerced by need for kike money or influence.]

The U.S. Catholic Church: How It Works

The Roman Catholic Church, with some 64 million members and thousands of affiliated operations, is the largest and most influential nongovernment organization in the U.S. But the Church is not a unified corporation: It is a decentralized organization with thousands of legally and financially separate entities. Its 20,000 Catholic churches raise some $7.5 billion annually. A primer on the Church's hierarchy:

THE POPE
The Pope appoints the bishops who run the U.S. Church and sets policies--including rules on who may become a priest. The U.S. is one of the wealthiest Catholic countries and a top contributor to the Vatican. Legally, the Vatican is a sovereign state, beyond the reach of U.S. law.

THE PAPAL NUNCIO
The Nuncio, who cannot be an American, is the Papal representative to the U.S. Based in Washington, he reviews all U.S. priests nominated for bishop before forwarding names to Rome for final approval.

THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS
The Conference is a kind of steering committee for the U.S. Church, made up of the 375 U.S. Bishops. With a budget of some $150 million, it speaks for the U.S. Church on policy matters such as abortion and welfare and has committees on everything from worship to domestic policy. The Conference, funded by the dioceses, does not have any authority over them.

CARDINALS
These so-called princes of the Church have the ultimate power over its future, since they elect the Pope. But the U.S. has a small role in the College of Cardinals.

DIOCESES
The key administrative unit of the Church, it comprises many local parishes and is headed by a bishop, archbishop, or cardinal. Everything from ordinations of priests to education is run at the diocesan level. There are 194 in the U.S. Although each diocese is a separate legal entity, abusive priests shuffled from parish to parish may extend the trail of liability.

PARISHES
The U.S. has some 20,000 parishes, and each individual church depends on its members' weekly donations, the major source of funding. Congregations are growing larger, averaging 3,000 members, even as the number of priests is falling, straining resources. At the same time, the ranks of U.S. Catholics are increasing with the arrival of new immigrants.

CATHOLIC INSTITUTIONS

SCHOOLS
The Church is the largest operator of private schools in the U.S., with over 2.6 million students enrolled in its 6,900 elementary schools and some 1,200 high schools, costing roughly $10 billion a year. Most of the elementary schools are attached to local parishes, while high schools are often run by a Catholic religious order, such as the Jesuits or Christian Brothers. Although tuition has been rising sharply, schools still receive large subsidies from the Church.

UNIVERSITIES
There are 230 Catholic colleges and universities with a combined total of 670,000 students. Most colleges are sponsored by a religious congregation, like the Jesuits, who have 28 colleges--including Georgetown, Boston College, and Holy Cross. Just 11 are sponsored by a diocese, and only Catholic University in Washington is directly sponsored by the Church. There are few direct financial ties between most Catholic colleges and the Church. Most are run by a lay board of trustees. Like other private colleges, tuition is the primary source of revenue, though some have sizable endowments, like Notre Dame's $2.8 billion.

HEALTH CARE
The nonprofit health-care system includes 637 hospitals, accounting for 17% of all U.S. hospital admissions. The Church also runs 122 home health-care agencies and nearly 700 other service providers, including assisted living, adult day care, and senior housing. The hospitals alone have annual expenses of $65 billion and account for 5% of U.S. health-care spending.

CHARITIES
Catholic Charities USA consists of 1,400 agencies that run soup kitchens, temporary shelters, child care, and refugee resettlement. In 1999, Catholic Charities had collective revenues of $2.34 billion. Most of that comes from state and local governments and from program fees. The Church accounts for only about 12% of income.

Data: Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University; National Catholic Educational Assn.; Catholic Health Assn.; U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops; Catholic Charities USA

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_15/b3778004.htm

FranzJoseph
06-23-2004, 12:48 PM
Much ado about little. All churches are also businesses. The RC never pretended to be different. Takes money to run schools, etc. Baptists, Lutherans and the rest may do their finances differently but there's lots of money in the god biz, nothing new about that.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-23-2004, 01:21 PM
[QUOTE=Vlad]Yes, but catholics are the most international profitable enterprise of the bunch and have the highest percentage of nonwhites among its congregations in the US.
...[/QUOTE]

Not so at all. Have you ever heard of "the black church?" such as the "African Methodist Episcopalian" denomination? I daresay it has more non-Whites than the Catholic.

Where I live Catholic parishes are lilly White. Mexes all crowd into the same parish anyhow. The presence of non-Whites is of negligible importance to the average Catholic's experience.

Think for a second: have you ever met a black Catholic? It's exceedingly rare outside of certain places in Africa such as Nigeria and Uganda.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-23-2004, 01:25 PM
...moreover if you compare the average protestant's experience, which is that of endless harangues about "snivel rights" and "UNICEF" drives for rice for the 'kwans, the Catholic church is blessedly silent about such drivel. To be sure there are nation-wrecking Catholic charity efforts at importing nogs to the US which should be stopped. but anyhow, you dont hear the constant bullshit about snivel rights in Catholic churches that you do in say methodist or presbyterian ones.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-23-2004, 01:29 PM
anyhow thanks FS for the interesting article. It shows up the importance of the Roman church and I would underline that Catholics shouldnt abandon it to the significant efforts by the Jews to co-opt and take it over like they've done every other sect. They're pretty far down that road however and need starch in their sails and fast. Rome keeping the American voice to a minimum in the Church is key to that effort as nearly everything coming from here is Jew friendly.

Abzug Hoffman
06-23-2004, 01:46 PM
Protestants: World Council of Churches, Commission of the Churches on International Affairs, globaloney or globality as they used to call it, unity within diversity. Not to mention Black churches, black preachers, woman preachers, gayrini celebrations...

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-23-2004, 02:02 PM
consider the value of the art owned by the Vatican. alone that is a boundless fortune. or consider a small sliver of the collection of antiquities: imagine for a second the value of all the old books. it's mind boggling.

Kind Lampshade Maker
06-23-2004, 04:33 PM
[QUOTE=The Final Solution]........Bla Bla Bla.......[/QUOTE]
Enough for a lotta good dope

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-23-2004, 05:28 PM
[QUOTE=Keystone]They hoard countless treasures and are hypocrites because of it.

Christ spoke against that behavior countless times in the gospels.


Keystone[/QUOTE]

Key that's part of the good thing about the Roman Church. They try and keep the Bible, er, subordinate to "Tradition." The Bible is the source of much mischief and it needs to be "interpreted" for the masses. LOL

Whirlwind
06-23-2004, 06:11 PM
Just imagine the loot they'd have if everyone tithed (sp?) 10% like they're supposed to. They could maybe pay the real estate taxes the rest of us do. Separation of church and state, even! But that'll never happen. So the churches will remain subordinate to the money master.

FranzJoseph
06-23-2004, 06:54 PM
[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Just imagine the loot they'd have if everyone tithed (sp?) 10% like they're supposed to...[/QUOTE]

They tried! They tried!

For years I wondered how I could get the wife out of the church without causing an uproar and then good ol' Saint Mary's Church did it for me. They sent questionaires out asking about their parishioner's finances so they can assess what they were supposed to pay out every Sunday.

HAR!

Did poor Saint Mary's have any idea how much Polish gals hate snoops? I had to stop her from going out and sticking the questionaire up somebody's ass. Me. Defender of the Church.

I told her calmly: The Catholic Church in America has to collect more from us working white folk to pay for the new Catholics from Nigeria and Mexico who don't have much money yet and probably never will. I found out the old saying is true: Can't tell somebody something till they already know it.

So the wife's now an ex-Catholic. But still Polish. :)

Politico
06-23-2004, 08:09 PM
I'm not Catholic, not particularly religious, but I grew up with a lot of Catholics in the neighborhood. As a young boy I always noticed that the most devious and devilish of my friends were the ones that came from strict Catholic families. It always seemed that the Catholic boys had the equivilent of a "devil made me do it" excuse for everything, whilst those of us who were not church goers seemed to feel that we were responsible for our own actions.

Later in life it always struck me as weird that Catholic priests always drove black Cadilacs or Lincolns. I could never grasp the concept of any thinking person actually believing that some feeble old fart wearing a bunch of gold brocaided robes and a conical hat (who is elected or chosen by other politically motivated people) actually talks to god, and that he then relays the message to the working class shmucks, who in turn are compelled to hand money to the church. If the Catholic church really belived that crap they shoveled, they would do a lot more helping, and a lot less taking. They have tons of money, and must be saving it to buy a stairway to heaven.

Fredrik Haerne
06-23-2004, 08:35 PM
I've always wondered why the Poles are Catholic and not Protestant or Orthodox. Such a shame. Poland would probably be better off with a Polish Orthodox church. (Also, I wonder why people in Warzaw are on average seven centimeters taller than people in the rest of the country? Saw that on television, they measured the Polish conscripts.)

But yes, since it's so big, let's hope it won't become entirely Jew-friendly, as AE says. Not that they'd ever say something to upset the Jews no matter how hard you try, though: it's the media you need control of first, before any church deems it safe to drop the subservience to Jews.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-24-2004, 12:28 AM
[QUOTE=FranzJoseph]They tried! They tried!

So the wife's now an ex-Catholic. But still Polish. :)[/QUOTE]

Yep old Polish gals are good savers, that I have seen. You wouldnt believe how many old Polish ladies there are living in little 50k houses with a couple of yards scattered around at two or three different banks so it's covered by FDIC.

I live in the rust belt and have seen this up close.

Polish people suffered grievously under the Jew tax farmers for centuries which is why they willingly vomited them up for the Germans.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-24-2004, 12:35 AM
[QUOTE=Politico]
Later in life it always struck me as weird that Catholic priests always drove black Cadilacs or Lincolns. I could never grasp the concept of any thinking person actually believing that some feeble old fart wearing a bunch of gold brocaided robes and a conical hat (who is elected or chosen by other politically motivated people) actually talks to god, and that he then relays the message to the working class shmucks, who in turn are compelled to hand money to the church. If the Catholic church really belived that crap they shoveled, they would do a lot more helping, and a lot less taking. They have tons of money, and must be saving it to buy a stairway to heaven.[/QUOTE]

My old dad used to say something like that, and I would say ah but Jesus said the poor will always be with us, so they might as well not waste too much money on them. LOL Catholic money goes towards wonderful architecture, some of the most memorable places created by men on Earth like Notre Dame or Chartres. Even in the US there are some nice cathedrals. And the art, the art! Better the Church gets a cut of the loot from Catholics than it just goes to Jews and Hollywitzim and taxes anyhow. Remember that contributions are "tax deductible." Better them than Uncle Schmuel.

As for all that immigration stuff, that should be stopped and with secular power it will be and the Church will accomodate itself to reality just like it has everywhere when necessary.

PS the priests to watch out for are actually not the well off diocesan ones but some of the "vow of poverty" types. I just read Heshburg's book and he brags about going toe to toe with Rome over Jews and Israel and what a pro-Jew he is. Boy does that piss me off.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-24-2004, 12:37 AM
[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]I've always wondered why the Poles are Catholic and not Protestant or Orthodox. Such a shame. Poland would probably be better off with a Polish Orthodox church. (Also, I wonder why people in Warzaw are on average seven centimeters taller than people in the rest of the country? Saw that on television, they measured the Polish conscripts.)
.[/QUOTE]

Actually there is a thing called the "Polish National Catholic Church" which I think is pretty independent. I'm not sure of the detials, but that would makes it more like the Orthodox who are hierarchichal, but the big metropolitan bishops consider themselves equals to the "Bishop of Rome" ie the Pope-

Kind Lampshade Maker
06-24-2004, 04:26 AM
[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]I've always wondered why the Poles are Catholic and not Protestant or Orthodox. Such a shame. Poland would probably be better off with a Polish Orthodox church. (Also, I wonder why people in Warzaw are on average seven centimeters taller than people in the rest of the country? Saw that on television, they measured the Polish conscripts.)

But yes, since it's so big, let's hope it won't become entirely Jew-friendly, as AE says. Not that they'd ever say something to upset the Jews no matter how hard you try, though: it's the media you need control of first, before any church deems it safe to drop the subservience to Jews.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter. Poles are pretend Catholics.
Each race would do better to have their own religions. Slavs are better off Orthodox, Meds Catholic and Nordics Protestant

The Final Solution
06-24-2004, 10:10 AM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]anyhow thanks FS for the interesting article. [/QUOTE]

Quite welcome AE. I agree the Church is in possession of some wonderful architecture, true monuments to the genius of our Race, and also thank Jarl for his tourist pix which are far better than I took. Whether specific forms, such as the great Gothic revolution, are quintessentially Christian, as is still commonly believed, is hard to say, though it is interesting that The Fuhrer was for some reason very much the neoclassicist.

Think for a second: have you ever met a black Catholic? It's exceedingly rare outside of certain places in Africa such as Nigeria and Uganda.

Yes, several, and much closer, though anytime you're in the presence or niggers it certainly feels like downtown Lagos. The two I have in mind both did K-12 in parochial school, and are among the very few who are somewhat presentable and barely functional in the private sector. The only other reasonably tame ones I've ever met were ex-military. These two institutions have in common both hierarchy and absolutism. If there's one thing you don't want, it's a "free-thinking" nigger.

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-24-2004, 12:00 PM
[QUOTE=The Final Solution]........ If there's one thing you don't want, it's a "free-thinking" nigger.[/QUOTE]

Say that again! That's hand in hand with being a "free range nigger."

One of the downsides of Africans getting converted from animism to Catholicism is it cuts down on the anthropophagy. We need that for good VNN stories. LOL

Antiochus Epiphanes
06-24-2004, 04:04 PM
hmmm, that's a good one jarl, best montage yet-

Abzug Hoffman
06-24-2004, 10:15 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]hmmm, that's a good one jarl, best montage yet-[/QUOTE]

Most of that damage looks like nig damage and they are not Catholics or recent immigrants. The messicans actually fix up nig neighborhoods- not that I am promoting darkies of any sort.

The pope doesn't have any money because the papacy went in debt to the jews a long time.