"Test our theory that hebes, gliberals and coons of privilege can't win unfixed fights."

That's what it says on the main forum page. And yet, being here less than 24 hours, I've now been placed on Moderated status, and my every post must be approved before it can be seen by others.

What's up with that? If the fight doesn't have to be fixed, then why would you all need to censor us?

And, no, you don't necessarily even need to approve this for my point to be made. Deleting it would still tell me a Mod saw it, and thought I needed censored, thus fixing the fight, while claiming it's NOT fixed.

Just thought I'd point this out.

Because people of your psersuasion costantly attempt to post filth, you need to be monitored.

I don't see "Moderator" by your name, but you probably have a better idea of how they think than I do.

Can you show me filth? I.e. quote my own words, which you believe would show a need to be monitored? I have my opinions and speak them, but if the forum is to be believed, this is supposed to be an OPEN forum.. an unfixed fight, they say. It's not really unfixed if every comment is subject to approval, is it? That would pretty much mean "We decide what we say, and we also decide what you say."

Now, I believe in personal property rights 100%, so of course, if that's the route they want to go, that's their choice. But then again, it makes the claim of an unfixed fight rather dubious.

In any case, the problem seems solved. I don't know if it was dueling Mods, or someone that changed his mind, but I'm able to post normally again now.

If you don't like the way things are run here, you don't have to post here.

Are you that ignorant that you do not know how to leave, and please close the door behind you. I would think you WERE born in a barn......:rofl:rofl:rofl

Why are you an "Ex-Marine" ? I come from a military family myself, and when it comes to the Marines, the saying has always been that there IS no such thing as an "Ex-Marine"... assuming one receives an honorable discharge, that is.

Did you get out via an honorable discharge? And if so, why the "Ex" ?

Why are you an "Ex-Marine" ? I come from a military family myself, and when it comes to the Marines, the saying has always been that there IS no such thing as an "Ex-Marine"... assuming one receives an honorable discharge, that is.

Did you get out via an honorable discharge? And if so, why the "Ex" ?

I will not get into a personal conversation with you, I don't like you or your attitude. You come here and start whining and crying like a little bitch about how the forum is run and how stupid we all are calling us racists. Go to the NAACP and call them racists if you want to shout racism. Niggers are the most racist group of people I have ever met. Everything with them has to do with black this or black that. Is that not racist? How many whites do they employ in their organization.

I will say this about myself. I do have an honorable discharge and there has not been anything I have done in my life that has not been of a honorable nature, but I'm sure someone as yourself could not possible understand that....:)

Now, if you don't like it here, leave, it's that simple....

I can actually agree with that. I do think the NAACP is rather racist these days. There was a time that there was enough racism that there was a need for such a group. Of course racism still exists, but has been reduced to the point that such groups often have to spend their time trying to build up one race above another, instead of just trying to pull them up to equal footing.

Of course, I really don't see how a person can complain about that, if they themselves are trying to put their race above all others. Seems kinda hypocritical, but nobody said hatred had to make sense.

I'm not here to be liked. But if you want me gone, you might have better luck talking to your admins. You've already extended me an invitation to leave, and I've already declined to accept.

But if what you say is true, and the Marines are fine with you, then what else can one surmise, except that you now have a problem with the Marines?

It's very troubling coming from a military background, to hear such talk. Seems to fly in the face of "Semper Fi" and all that. I suppose if you're not willing to share, I'll have to draw my own conclusions.

But if what you say is true, and the Marines are fine with you, then what else can one surmise, except that you now have a problem with the Marines?

OK, I'll get just a little personal because you have hit a nerve. I have no problem with the Marines. I am proud of everyone of them and proud I was a part of it. I hear it all the time about the Ex. We ARE Ex-Marines, simple as that. We will always be a Marine at heart but we don't wear our uniforms, run 5 miles 3 times a week, or basically anything the Marines actually do. Simply put we are Ex-Marines.

It's very troubling coming from a military background, to hear such talk. Seems to fly in the face of "Semper Fi" and all that. I suppose if you're not willing to share, I'll have to draw my own conclusions.

To hear such talk? Your the only one talking it. Do not put any words into my mouth or any conclusions on my background. I am very proud to be an Ex-Marine and like I said, will alway be a Marine at heart. I am probably one of the most faithful Marines you will ever come across, trust me on that, Semper Fi.

My association with you only has to do with this forum, my personal life and status on anything are not for your discussion.

I don't care whether you leave or not, it just gets old when someone cries like a little bitch about something but yet they still stick around. My only thought on that is if you don't like it leave, I have no preference either way, just don't want to hear the whining and crying.

If you really have a problem with something, PM Alex, we don't need to hear it and most here will not even give you a crying towel .....:)

I dunno.. My uncle and my brother would surely argue that they are "Marines" not "Ex-Marines." They are not treated by current Marines as someone that USED to be one of them, but as people who ARE brothers, continually. I see no difference in their interaction. Higher ranks are still deferred to, the level of respect is no different. I don't see it, but okay. Whatever floats your boat.

You keep referring to "crying" and "whining" like you think anything here has actually gotten to me. Can't you see? I am not consumed with hatred as you all are. I'm having fun here, that's all it is. Sure, it'd be nice if someone ended up seeing that there is another way, a way that WON'T destroy them from the inside out, or give them a heart attack before their 55th birthday, but I don't hold much hope.

As I said, hatred is by definition, illogical, and since that's the way my mind works, I don't REALLY expect logic to bring anyone around. Thus, it's just all in fun. Especially seeing how easy it can be to get the racists worked up. It's almost like we're puppeteers, you know? Snap the fingers, action-reaction, like Pavlov's dogs, it's so predictable, and thus so easily manipulated. You play right along, like anyone. The slightest stimulus has your front paws up on the fence, barking, like a pack of rotts in somebody's backyard.

Ah, but enough of how easily amused *I* am. Yes, I have already spoken with Alex, though not to complain about how he runs things. I've said it before, I'm a believer in personal property rights 100%. Thus, it's not my place to complain about what a person does with a server they own or rent. All I can do is point out if what they do seems contrary to what they say, and either they'll allow it or not.

So far, actually I support the admins action. Despite a glitch in my ability to post last night, I'm back to unmoderated status. While I don't necessarily agree with the beliefs of the admins, I do respect those who respect free speech in the appropriate forum. I would do the same. The truth has no more reason to fear a lie, than the sun has reason to fear a shadow. Thus, those confident in the truth of their words should have no need to silence their opposition.

In all seriousness though, I DO thank you sincerely, Sir, for your service to our country.

Srsly tho, "Ex-Marine" really gives yourself away as a poseur. There really is no such animal. You would cringe to write that if you really were in fact a former Marine. It's kind of like telling people you're a surfer when you only have a boogie-board.

Srsly tho, "Ex-Marine" really gives yourself away as a poseur. There really is no such animal. You would cringe to write that if you really were in fact a former Marine. It's kind of like telling people you're a surfer when you only have a boogie-board.

Taken care of......:)

I just refer back to the speech we received the last day of active duty upon stepping foot into the civilian world. They said we were now branded with a big X on our forehead. No matter what we would do the media would start out with "Ex-Marine did this, Ex-Marine did that." They referred to no other branch was like that. Army, Navy, Air Force didn't matter. But if a Marine did something, that's how they would put it....

I've taken enough shit for that from MANY people and I guess they are right, I will be a Marine till I die. So you are both right, problem fixed....:)

I see your point. I do seem to recall the media referring to the DC Sniper as an "Ex-marine" (if memory serves).

"Test our theory that hebes, gliberals and coons of privilege can't win unfixed fights."

That's what it says on the main forum page. And yet, being here less than 24 hours, I've now been placed on Moderated status, and my every post must be approved before it can be seen by others.

You weren't place on moderated status, everyone who signs up begins that way. It's a guard against porn spam. When you make a few reasonable posts, we elevate you to registered user, as we have. I don't even necessarily limit opposition to posting in any single forum, provided you follow the rules like everybody else.

In this case, you may want to look for glitches. Upon initial approval, I was able to post without waiting for each post to be approved. It was some time later that I started getting the message "You will be able to see your post once it is approved." and later still that it reverted to the original "post and view" mode I had first seen.

Allow me to comment.

I went thru a similar situation when I first signed up here, and in fairness to the moderators here, from what I have seen they do a remarkable job.

As someone who moderates a message board (nothing like this...cheesy gaming board w/ mebee 800 members or so) I can sympathize with the difficulties.
All I have to do is remove the occasional racial slur or sexual harassment post, and things of that nature.
Here they seem to allow these posts, but I can only imagine the number of trolls, on all sides of the fence, that they must have their hands full with here.
A board like this there is pretty much no choice but to moderate a new member, untill the admins feel comfortable that they are not a troll or what ever.
I know stormfront is the same, as is the phora, and I imagine any board w/ questionable or controversial subject matter.
Heck I am still moderated on stormfront although I dont post there as often so ....
Yes this is a free speech related board, but its still privately owned etc...and they dont have to let us post here even.
Frankly, even tho I realize Im not very well liked here, I do think the mod's do a great job.
My moderation was removed relatively quickly tho.

\I can only imagine how spammed up these boards would get with kiddie porn, and all sorts of spam if they were not moderated heh.

My only real complaint w/ the moderation here is that im allowed to give out karma...but only positive karma
heh.
I cant even give faceless neg karma when he insults me or calls me a self-hating jew or a troll.
I think alot of these kahane guys think I am actually a WN in disguise, lol/.

You weren't place on moderated status, everyone who signs up begins that way. It's a guard against porn spam. When you make a few reasonable posts, we elevate you to registered user, as we have. I don't even necessarily limit opposition to posting in any single forum, provided you follow the rules like everybody else.

I'm Shocked!

My only real complaint w/ the moderation here is that im allowed to give out karma...but only positive karma
heh.
I cant even give faceless neg karma when he insults me or calls me a self-hating jew or a troll.

Heyyyyy... me too!

Wait a minute.. self-hating Jew? Well, with that many red dots, you must be doing SOMEthing right around here. :D

Heyyyyy... me too!

Wait a minute.. self-hating Jew? Well, with that many red dots, you must be doing SOMEthing right around here. :D

heh I get dots from both sides tho
The WN's hate me of course cuz im a jew.
but the jews hate me too since im non-practicing and sometimes voice negative opinions about T.J.B.

:p

May I ask why?

I admit I have been irritated at times, as one seeking to convert, that so many born Jews do not seem to understand the promises G-d has made, both good AND bad, both to be doubly blessed when they keep His Torah, and to be doubly cursed when they stray from it. It does tend to bug me, but of course, it's nothing you've personally done.

Criticism should never be withheld just because of a person's ethnicity. I can criticise Kissinger and Olmert without reservation, but it's basically because they have sold out Israel time and again. I have no clue what a TJB is, and probably don't really WANT to..

May I ask why?

I admit I have been irritated at times, as one seeking to convert, that so many born Jews do not seem to understand the promises G-d has made, both good AND bad, both to be doubly blessed when they keep His Torah, and to be doubly cursed when they stray from it. It does tend to bug me, but of course, it's nothing you've personally done.

Criticism should never be withheld just because of a person's ethnicity. I can criticise Kissinger and Olmert without reservation, but it's basically because they have sold out Israel time and again. I have no clue what a TJB is, and probably don't really WANT to..

What colour are you?

What colour are you?

My skin is flesh colored. ;) No, that actually has nothing to do with you guys. I've always refused to answer that. I wouldn't want any special treatment or contempt based on the color of my skin, so I don't see any good reason to answer it on any government form, or to anyone else either.

May I ask why?

I admit I have been irritated at times, as one seeking to convert, that so many born Jews do not seem to understand the promises G-d has made, both good AND bad, both to be doubly blessed when they keep His Torah, and to be doubly cursed when they stray from it. It does tend to bug me, but of course, it's nothing you've personally done.

Criticism should never be withheld just because of a person's ethnicity. I can criticise Kissinger and Olmert without reservation, but it's basically because they have sold out Israel time and again. I have no clue what a TJB is, and probably don't really WANT to..

TJB is an acronym for "the jewish behavior" or "typical jewish behavior"

As for your question...is it on why I am non-practicing?
If so, no real reason....I was raised jewish but I probably have not set foot in a temple in 15 years or so.
Just not a religious person, and ya I have some issues also with regard to talmudic judaism (rabbis, pharisees, etc)
Really tho I just am not religious...it isnt that I even ever made a conscious choice to not practice Judaism. My family was never religious, and growing up I found temple was more a place for the annoying rich suburban jewish snobs to show off their new bmw or diamond rings, and not so much spiritual. I did not like this, nor did I like the fact that all the temples near me, you actually have to pay thousands of dollars per year to be a member.
Church they let anyone in, poor, homeless, etc. Sure they pass around the collection plate, but FFS how can the temples say its a house of worship and a house of god when they wont let u in if u aren't wealthy enough.
I contradict my self I know....by saying I did not make a concious decision about religion, and then listing some things I dont like about it.
Fact is, it was not untill relatively recently I began to feel this way about things, and ive been non-practicing as I said for 15+ years.
Initially it was just lack of interest in, and not particularly liking organized religion.
Now I guess I have some reasons too tho.
Hope that answers ur question some =)

BTW, I am NOT a jewish anti-semite. I use that TJB just as a joke, satire if you will.
I judge people as individuals, be they jew gentile or furry.
I know jews I like and jews I dislike
I know gentiles I like and gentiles I dislike
Same is true for any race, religion or nationality. I think we are all the same, and a product of our environment.
Yes jews are smart with money but thats because they were forced into the professions they were in the dark ages (christians couldnt do usery)
Yes blacks have higher crime rates. THats because the low income ghettos are mostly black. Take that black baby and put him in a loving home with supportive parents however, and he will be no different than a average law abiding respectful citizen of any other race or nationality.
This also leads me to another Issue I do in honesty have with Judaism.
The talmud if I am not mistaken does sort of tell us that we are "better" ...
I dont like that, and I think it leads directly to the gentiles hatred of us.
I dont know how true some of the stuff I have read about these negative aspects are...as I found alot of it on WN sites which I'm sure are biased...but I cant help but question some things.
If the talmud rlly taught racism towards gentiles, and if the jews rlly did sell out germany, then can we blame them for what happened?
I have very mixed feelings about all this needless to say.

My skin is flesh colored. ;) No, that actually has nothing to do with you guys. I've always refused to answer that. I wouldn't want any special treatment or contempt based on the color of my skin, so I don't see any good reason to answer it on any government form, or to anyone else either.

I don't like you, i think you should fuck off!

I don't like you, i think you should fuck off!

I think you should become an hero

I don't like you, i think you should fuck off!

I'll take that under advisement. And may I take this opportunity to also invite you to have sex with yourself, because while I can't speak for others, as far as *I'M* concerned, that's something you can feel free to do.

;)

Do you see? I'm a wordsmith. You're not gonna best me. The same gag just sounds better coming out of me.

I'll take that under advisement. And may I take this opportunity to also invite you to have sex with yourself, because while I can't speak for others, as far as *I'M* concerned, that's something you can feel free to do.

;)

Do you see? I'm a wordsmith. You're not gonna best me. The same gag just sounds better coming out of me.
A wordsmith? So when you gag, the words sound better? You're a light weight mental midget with a big opinion of himself.

I dunno.. it's just all in fun. Especially seeing how easy it can be to get the racists worked up. It's almost like we're puppeteers, you know? Snap the fingers, action-reaction, like Pavlov's dogs, it's so predictable, and thus so easily manipulated. You play right along, like anyone. The slightest stimulus has your front paws up on the fence, barking, like a pack of rotts in somebody's backyard.

You are SO full of shit. How many times does your wife screw your next door neighbor before she goes to synagogue?

You are SO full of shit.

I think he might be here for the lulz, but Im not sure yet.

TJB is an acronym for "the jewish behavior" or "typical jewish behavior"

As for your question...is it on why I am non-practicing?
If so, no real reason....I was raised jewish but I probably have not set foot in a temple in 15 years or so.
Just not a religious person, and ya I have some issues also with regard to talmudic judaism (rabbis, pharisees, etc)
Really tho I just am not religious...it isnt that I even ever made a conscious choice to not practice Judaism. My family was never religious, and growing up I found temple was more a place for the annoying rich suburban jewish snobs to show off their new bmw or diamond rings, and not so much spiritual. I did not like this, nor did I like the fact that all the temples near me, you actually have to pay thousands of dollars per year to be a member.
Church they let anyone in, poor, homeless, etc. Sure they pass around the collection plate, but FFS how can the temples say its a house of worship and a house of god when they wont let u in if u aren't wealthy enough.
I contradict my self I know....by saying I did not make a concious decision about religion, and then listing some things I dont like about it.
Fact is, it was not untill relatively recently I began to feel this way about things, and ive been non-practicing as I said for 15+ years.
Initially it was just lack of interest in, and not particularly liking organized religion.
Now I guess I have some reasons too tho.
Hope that answers ur question some =)

BTW, I am NOT a jewish anti-semite. I use that TJB just as a joke, satire if you will.
I judge people as individuals, be they jew gentile or furry.
I know jews I like and jews I dislike
I know gentiles I like and gentiles I dislike
Same is true for any race, religion or nationality. I think we are all the same, and a product of our environment.
Yes jews are smart with money but thats because they were forced into the professions they were in the dark ages (christians couldnt do usery)
Yes blacks have higher crime rates. THats because the low income ghettos are mostly black. Take that black baby and put him in a loving home with supportive parents however, and he will be no different than a average law abiding respectful citizen of any other race or nationality.
This also leads me to another Issue I do in honesty have with Judaism.
The talmud if I am not mistaken does sort of tell us that we are "better" ...
I dont like that, and I think it leads directly to the gentiles hatred of us.
I dont know how true some of the stuff I have read about these negative aspects are...as I found alot of it on WN sites which I'm sure are biased...but I cant help but question some things.
If the talmud rlly taught racism towards gentiles, and if the jews rlly did sell out germany, then can we blame them for what happened?
I have very mixed feelings about all this needless to say.

I really appreciate the answer. A lot of this I can identify with, but coming from a Christian background, I guess I have a different perspective on it, too.

I'll always remember my first time in a synagogue. There were two things that struck me. First, the dancing. I initially thought "Wow, how modern" but then I remembered King David dancing praises to G-d, and realized, No, this is about as ancient as it gets. The second thing that struck me was at the end of the service when I realized that they had never passed a plate around. I had NEVER been to a church service, rarely even a Bible study, where no collection was taken. I just LOVE that.

I mean, there really are Christian churches that take a "Come as you are" attitude, where it's really okay if you have nothing to give, but it's still an ackward moment. In a synaogogue, there IS no ackward, because no one else is giving either. There's a box in the back, if you're just not going to be back until next Shabbat, but it's expected that the synagogue is the center of the community, and so you can give as you drop the kids off at Hebrew class, or dance class, or as you to Men's Bible study, or whatever..

So I can identify with the additional challenges of fundraising that an observant synagogue faces that other houses of worship would not. I really don't like the idea of charging for membership, but if memory serves, the Talmud does forbid the charging of admission into church service, or even into a study group, doesn't it? So membership is rather superficial. You may get a few benefits, a particular pew for your family to sit at, or something, but it's not a requirement by any means.

In my interpretation, the Talmudic statements that these antisemites like to twist into commandments of racial superiority really are statements of religious superiority. I mean, I believe it's that same Talmud from whence we get the command that once a person has converted to Judaism, it is forbidden to even MENTION the fact that they were not born Jewish.

So it CAN'T be a matter of race, although since the word "Jewish" doubles as a religious AND a racial statement, I can see the confusion. Still, in my opinion, it's only there for people that want to see it.

Put another way, yes a SPIRITUAL Jew is a child of G-d, while the goyim, EVERYONE who does not submit to Hashem, is a product of another world. I don't believe in atheism. Man was born a servant, and thus he remains. Those who don't serve Hashem just end up serving something else, mammon, idols, themselves, it's always something, and yes, we believers ARE to be set apart from the world. We are not to consider ourselves a part of them, or them a part of us. Nonetheless, it's not at all like the "separatism" we see here, where we're simply not supposed to CARE about them, or reach OUT to them, or try to SHOW them the way. Quite the contary, Israel is called to be a nation of priests, and a holy nation, to show the world the light of His Torah (Exodus 19:6). Unfortunately, many are failing to live up to their obligations to G-d. But we know that if we trust in G-d's grace and mercy, that just like Avraham Aveinu, that He WILL count our trust in Him as righteousness.

So I can identify with the additional challenges of fundraising that an observant synagogue faces that other houses of worship would not.

That is true I suppose, and I realize this (and have in the past)
I still always took issue tho w/ the overall snobbish attitude I found there (at our suburban "conservative" synagogue.
That and the attitude towards gentiles in general.
Perhaps some of my views are unfounded or wrong, but I can't help the way I feel.
My opinions are often uneducated, but they are just my thoughts/feelings, nothing more =)

In this case, you may want to look for glitches. Upon initial approval, I was able to post without waiting for each post to be approved. It was some time later that I started getting the message "You will be able to see your post once it is approved." and later still that it reverted to the original "post and view" mode I had first seen.

Someone may have put you in opposition, and then it was reversed to regular user.

High Holy Days Ticket Prices Are Costing Community

By Diana Furchtgott-Roth
Fri. Nov 04, 2005

Before Christmas and Easter, many churches display signs that say “Come Worship With Us.” The most important Jewish holidays, by contrast, are just about the only times when Jews cannot walk freely into temples and synagogues to worship.

Unaffiliated Jews can be charged between $200 and $400 for the privilege of attending High Holy Day services, and members must pay $100 to $300. No wonder many stay home.

http://www.forward.com/articles/2192/

High Holy Days Ticket Prices Are Costing Community
....
Unaffiliated Jews can be charged between $200 and $400 for the privilege of attending High Holy Day services, and members must pay $100 to $300. No wonder many stay home.

This is how the Jews connect the big money kikes with the rabbis and the rabbis to the big money kikes. It's a method for controlling finances within the cabal. It's a kikenvemin country club. The rich Jews flaunt themselves and connect with other rich Jews, and the not-so-rich Jews (who scrimp and save so as to be able to afford a ticket) can make contacts higher up the feeding trough. And connecting them all are the rabbis who provide a cover for their criminality and distribute wealth downward to the poorer Jews who provide further cloaking to the entire hive.

Judaism is the world's oldest organized criminal conspiracy.

High Holy Days Ticket Prices Are Costing Community

By Diana Furchtgott-Roth
Fri. Nov 04, 2005

Before Christmas and Easter, many churches display signs that say “Come Worship With Us.” The most important Jewish holidays, by contrast, are just about the only times when Jews cannot walk freely into temples and synagogues to worship.

Unaffiliated Jews can be charged between $200 and $400 for the privilege of attending High Holy Day services, and members must pay $100 to $300. No wonder many stay home.

http://www.forward.com/articles/2192/

YUP.
our temple they sent u tickets and I think u did not have to pay.
That was for members tho, who payed in the thousands anually.'
Non members paid alot, dont remember the exact amount...

The other poster is right, most of these synagogues do have schools in them and such, and many employees plus building upkeep to pay for.
It still never seemed right to me tho. =\

now...more red dots please! =p

ROTFLM*A*O!!

The article is by a Jew, who doesn't LIKE the practice. It doesn't say anything about how many congregations do this, the bulk of the article is, in fact, about a congregation NOT doing it, and the author expresses a hope that more congregations will subscribe to this way of doing things!

You guys have a vivid imagination, I'll give you that.

You want to talk about greed, tell me a Christian denomination that I can go to and NOT get asked for donations DURING the service. THEN we'll talk. Until then, you can imagine that a religion that doesn't believe in changing money ON the Sabbath IS going to have to find other ways to raise money.

The difference being, most of the Jewish holidays are NOT really communal, and ARE typically enjoyed at home, with the family. Passover is just about the biggest, and the only people that go to synagogue are those without a family to share it with. Heck, Exodus even TELLS us what to do if the family is too small... share the meal with your neighbor! Then you've got Rosh Hashannah, only significant because it leads up to Yom Kippur, again an event specifically relating to one's PERSONAL relationship with G-d, and NOT their relationship to the congregation.

The Christian holidays are just bastardizations of real holy days. Easter is a twisting of Passover. The Last Supper was a Passover Seder, except Christians don't really DO what He did at the Last Supper. They'd rather go to church and drink juice and eat leavened bread, instead of following Him. Christmas is really just Saturnalia, a Roman holiday, where the men would get drunk, switch roles with their slaves, have sex with each other, and beat their wives. No, thank you. I'll stick to G-d's holidays.

YUP.
our temple they sent u tickets and I think u did not have to pay.
That was for members tho, who payed in the thousands anually.'
Non members paid alot, dont remember the exact amount...

The other poster is right, most of these synagogues do have schools in them and such, and many employees plus building upkeep to pay for.
It still never seemed right to me tho. =

In point of fact, it's contrary to Jewish law. But a basic theme of the Tanakh IS our status as failed, flawed creatures, which explains the emphasis not only on seeking forgiveness from G-d, but also on being quick to forgive those who have wronged their fellow man.

I'll always remember my first time in a synagogue. There were two things that struck me. First, the dancing. I initially thought "Wow, how modern" but then I remembered King David dancing praises to G-d, and realized, No, this is about as ancient as it gets. The second thing that struck me was at the end of the service when I realized that they had never passed a plate around. I had NEVER been to a church service, rarely even a Bible study, where no collection was taken. I just LOVE that.

Lets see could it be becuase the rabbi is already wealthy from swindling goyim, and also why would any rabbi think anyone in his synagogue would put money in a plate LOLOL@ just the thought!!!

Lets see could it be becuase the rabbi is already wealthy from swindling goyim, and also why would any rabbi think anyone in his synagogue would put money in a plate LOLOL@ just the thought!!!

:rofl Yeah, you're right. That's why the Jews charge tickets and don't pass the plate ... they all thought that it was free money and took out what they could and the plate returned empty. :rofl

That's Jews for ya' !!!

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