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Alex Linder
February 17th, 2008, 01:42 PM
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"...Kristensen says the riots do not have to do with the reprinting of the Muhammad cartoons(?)...There was rioting also elsewhere in Denmark. In the Århus suburb of Brabrand (where the terrorists were arrested yesterday), a city bus was stoned and needed a police escort to continue. In both Brabrand and Kalundborg fire brigades were stoned and prevented from extinguishing blazes...In Nørrebro social worker Bjarne Feys suggests setting up a new youth-run club for half-criminal immigrants in the neighborhood. He the young immigrants are very frustrated about the police's stress strategy and react very irrationally..."
Roberto Abbondanza
February 17th, 2008, 01:55 PM
http://www.holocaust.nu/
Roberto Abbondanza
February 17th, 2008, 01:56 PM
http://www.radioislam.org/dansk/index.htm
Roberto Abbondanza
February 17th, 2008, 02:00 PM
Flemming Rose (flemming.rose@jp.dk)
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021702499_pf.html)
Sunday, February 19, 2006
Childish. Irresponsible. Hate speech. A provocation just for the sake of provocation. A PR stunt. Critics of 12 cartoons of the prophet Muhammad I decided to publish in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten have not minced their words. They say that freedom of expression does not imply an endorsement of insulting people's religious feelings, and besides, they add, the media censor themselves every day. So, please do not teach us a lesson about limitless freedom of speech.
I agree that the freedom to publish things doesn't mean you publish everything. Jyllands-Posten would not publish pornographic images or graphic details of dead bodies; swear words rarely make it into our pages. So we are not fundamentalists in our support for freedom of expression.
But the cartoon story is different.
Those examples have to do with exercising restraint because of ethical standards and taste; call it editing. By contrast, I commissioned the cartoons in response to several incidents of self-censorship in Europe caused by widening fears and feelings of intimidation in dealing with issues related to Islam. And I still believe that this is a topic that we Europeans must confront, challenging moderate Muslims to speak out. The idea wasn't to provoke gratuitously -- and we certainly didn't intend to trigger violent demonstrations throughout the Muslim world. Our goal was simply to push back self-imposed limits on expression that seemed to be closing in tighter.
At the end of September, a Danish standup comedian said in an interview with Jyllands-Posten that he had no problem urinating on the Bible in front of a camera, but he dared not do the same thing with the Koran.
This was the culmination of a series of disturbing instances of self-censorship. Last September, a Danish children's writer had trouble finding an illustrator for a book about the life of Muhammad. Three people turned down the job for fear of consequences. The person who finally accepted insisted on anonymity, which in my book is a form of self-censorship. European translators of a critical book about Islam also did not want their names to appear on the book cover beside the name of the author, a Somalia-born Dutch politician who has herself been in hiding.
Around the same time, the Tate gallery in London withdrew an installation by the avant-garde artist John Latham depicting the Koran, Bible and Talmud torn to pieces. The museum explained that it did not want to stir things up after the London bombings. (A few months earlier, to avoid offending Muslims, a museum in Goteborg, Sweden, had removed a painting with a sexual motif and a quotation from the Koran.)
Finally, at the end of September, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen met with a group of imams, one of whom called on the prime minister to interfere with the press in order to get more positive coverage of Islam.
So, over two weeks we witnessed a half-dozen cases of self-censorship, pitting freedom of speech against the fear of confronting issues about Islam. This was a legitimate news story to cover, and Jyllands-Posten decided to do it by adopting the well-known journalistic principle: Show, don't tell. I wrote to members of the association of Danish cartoonists asking them "to draw Muhammad as you see him." We certainly did not ask them to make fun of the prophet. Twelve out of 25 active members responded.
We have a tradition of satire when dealing with the royal family and other public figures, and that was reflected in the cartoons. The cartoonists treated Islam the same way they treat Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and other religions. And by treating Muslims in Denmark as equals they made a point: We are integrating you into the Danish tradition of satire because you are part of our society, not strangers. The cartoons are including, rather than excluding, Muslims.
The cartoons do not in any way demonize or stereotype Muslims. In fact, they differ from one another both in the way they depict the prophet and in whom they target. One cartoon makes fun of Jyllands-Posten, portraying its cultural editors as a bunch of reactionary provocateurs. Another suggests that the children's writer who could not find an illustrator for his book went public just to get cheap publicity. A third puts the head of the anti-immigration Danish People's Party in a lineup, as if she is a suspected criminal.
One cartoon -- depicting the prophet with a bomb in his turban -- has drawn the harshest criticism. Angry voices claim the cartoon is saying that the prophet is a terrorist or that every Muslim is a terrorist. I read it differently: Some individuals have taken the religion of Islam hostage by committing terrorist acts in the name of the prophet. They are the ones who have given the religion a bad name. The cartoon also plays into the fairy tale about Aladdin and the orange that fell into his turban and made his fortune. This suggests that the bomb comes from the outside world and is not an inherent characteristic of the prophet.
On occasion, Jyllands-Posten has refused to print satirical cartoons of Jesus, but not because it applies a double standard. In fact, the same cartoonist who drew the image of Muhammed with a bomb in his turban drew a cartoon with Jesus on the cross having dollar notes in his eyes and another with the star of David attached to a bomb fuse. There were, however, no embassy burnings or death threats when we published those.
Has Jyllands-Posten insulted and disrespected Islam? It certainly didn't intend to. But what does respect mean? When I visit a mosque, I show my respect by taking off my shoes. I follow the customs, just as I do in a church, synagogue or other holy place. But if a believer demands that I, as a nonbeliever, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect, but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy.
This is exactly why Karl Popper, in his seminal work "The Open Society and Its Enemies," insisted that one should not be tolerant with the intolerant. Nowhere do so many religions coexist peacefully as in a democracy where freedom of expression is a fundamental right. In Saudi Arabia, you can get arrested for wearing a cross or having a Bible in your suitcase, while Muslims in secular Denmark can have their own mosques, cemeteries, schools, TV and radio stations.
I acknowledge that some people have been offended by the publication of the cartoons, and Jyllands-Posten has apologized for that. But we cannot apologize for our right to publish material, even offensive material. You cannot edit a newspaper if you are paralyzed by worries about every possible insult.
I am offended by things in the paper every day: transcripts of speeches by Osama bin Laden, photos from Abu Ghraib, people insisting that Israel should be erased from the face of the Earth, people saying the Holocaust never happened. But that does not mean that I would refrain from printing them as long as they fell within the limits of the law and of the newspaper's ethical code. That other editors would make different choices is the essence of pluralism.
As a former correspondent in the Soviet Union, I am sensitive about calls for censorship on the grounds of insult. This is a popular trick of totalitarian movements: Label any critique or call for debate as an insult and punish the offenders. That is what happened to human rights activists and writers such as Andrei Sakharov, Vladimir Bukovsky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Natan Sharansky, Boris Pasternak. The regime accused them of anti-Soviet propaganda, just as some Muslims are labeling 12 cartoons in a Danish newspaper anti-Islamic.
The lesson from the Cold War is: If you give in to totalitarian impulses once, new demands follow. The West prevailed in the Cold War because we stood by our fundamental values and did not appease totalitarian tyrants.
Since the Sept. 30 publication of the cartoons, we have had a constructive debate in Denmark and Europe about freedom of expression, freedom of religion and respect for immigrants and people's beliefs. Never before have so many Danish Muslims participated in a public dialogue -- in town hall meetings, letters to editors, opinion columns and debates on radio and TV. We have had no anti-Muslim riots, no Muslims fleeing the country and no Muslims committing violence. The radical imams who misinformed their counterparts in the Middle East about the situation for Muslims in Denmark have been marginalized. They no longer speak for the Muslim community in Denmark because moderate Muslims have had the courage to speak out against them.
In January, Jyllands-Posten ran three full pages of interviews and photos of moderate Muslims saying no to being represented by the imams. They insist that their faith is compatible with a modern secular democracy. A network of moderate Muslims committed to the constitution has been established, and the anti-immigration People's Party called on its members to differentiate between radical and moderate Muslims, i.e. between Muslims propagating sharia law and Muslims accepting the rule of secular law. The Muslim face of Denmark has changed, and it is becoming clear that this is not a debate between "them" and "us," but between those committed to democracy in Denmark and those who are not.
This is the sort of debate that Jyllands-Posten had hoped to generate when it chose to test the limits of self-censorship by calling on cartoonists to challenge a Muslim taboo. Did we achieve our purpose? Yes and no. Some of the spirited defenses of our freedom of expression have been inspiring. But tragic demonstrations throughout the Middle East and Asia were not what we anticipated, much less desired. Moreover, the newspaper has received 104 registered threats, 10 people have been arrested, cartoonists have been forced into hiding because of threats against their lives and Jyllands-Posten's headquarters have been evacuated several times due to bomb threats. This is hardly a climate for easing self-censorship.
Still, I think the cartoons now have a place in two separate narratives, one in Europe and one in the Middle East. In the words of the Somali-born Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the integration of Muslims into European societies has been sped up by 300 years due to the cartoons; perhaps we do not need to fight the battle for the Enlightenment all over again in Europe. The narrative in the Middle East is more complex, but that has very little to do with the cartoons.
Flemming Rose is the culture editor of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
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Roberto Abbondanza
February 17th, 2008, 02:02 PM
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Kind Lampshade Maker
February 17th, 2008, 06:23 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4740020.stm
"...The Muslim leadership in the West is far stronger. Muslim leaders in Denmark were instrumental in transforming their local row into a global confrontation...The West is having to reconsider what it means by freedom of speech and to justify, for example, why the historian David Irving is locked up in Austria for denying the Holocaust..."
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Roberto Abbondanza
February 17th, 2008, 06:30 PM
By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press
2-7-6
"If the issue is really one of free speech, would you publish cartoons making fun of the Jewish Holocaust?" I asked Rose and the editors. "If not, do you at least support the right of newspapers and individuals to raise historical questions about the Holocaust?"
Yet after a month of correspondence with Rose and the editors, they have completely avoided answering my questions about the Holocaust and the right of free speech for historical revisionists in Europe.
http://www.rense.com/general69/zz.htm
Roberto Abbondanza
February 17th, 2008, 06:35 PM
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2006/01/auschwitz-is-sacred-but-not-muhammad.html
Serbian
March 20th, 2008, 01:23 AM
http://www.serbianna.com/images/vinter.jpgHarry Vinter is a writer from Denmark
Kosovo – prelude to the destiny of Europe?
March 17, 2008
Kosovo seen through the eyes of a Dane. The situation in Denmark
The Danes are descendents of people who entered the landscape, which is now Denmark, when the ice withdraw after the ice age 12,000 years ago. Neither the Roman Empire nor the large emigrations reached Denmark. For this reason the Danes have little experience with the kind of ethnical conflicts, which the Serbs have endured through centuries.
It was therefore easy for different NGOs and irresponsible politicians to make the Danes accept an influx of immigrants from the beginning of the 1970ies. The immigration was presented as a “cultural enrichment”, which would bring about a “colourful society”.
Today, 30 years after, these positive words are never heard any more. Now the key word is “problems”: Problems with integration, problems with criminality, problems with ghettos, problems with forced marriages, “honour” killings and terrorism.
The main problem seems to be, that the vast majority of the immigrants are Moslem. A few years ago a respected Danish economist said, “I don’t think we would have had any immigration problem, if we had had 200,000 Chinese in stead of 200,000 Moslems”.
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"New Danes" demonstrating in Copenhagen
Reality has opened the eyes of most Danes, and in 2001 an immigration friendly Government was replaced by a Government, which tries to limit the immigration. This Government is supported by a party, which is strongly opposed to immigration and which has now become the third largest political party in Denmark. But the damage has been done. Denmark has a growing population of Moslems, who are directly hostile towards the Danes and the democratic tradition, which the Danish society is based on.
Riots in the streets - including many cases of severe arson, primarily targeting schools and cars - have become part of daily life in Denmark. Stabbings, which until a few years ago happened very rarely in Denmark, are now an integrated part of the nightlife. The vast majority of the culprits are young Moslems, and the victims are almost always Danes.
Enormous economic means are spent in an attempt to fulfil the demands of the Moslem immigrants, who have been given many special privileges. But most of these attempts are immediately rejected as “too little” and “not good enough”.
The well-known “Mohamed-cartoons” can be seen as an attempt to overcome the atmosphere of fear and terror, which gradually descend on public life in Denmark.
The situation in EU
The situation is similar in all the old EU-countries. Growing groups of Moslems are becoming increasingly hostile towards their host countries. Fear, terror and self censorship has become part of life in many large cities all over Europe. Everything is done to appease the Moslem immigrants. Piggy banks are abolished, people refrain from wearing crosses in necklaces, companies abolish the traditional Christmas lunch, schools serve halal-food, and criticism of negative sides of Moslem culture silences. Freedom of expression is gradually abolished and with it democracy itself.
EU contributes actively to this development. The European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) supervises the development in all EU countries, and any attempt to counteract the negative influence of Islam is condemned by the Centre as being “Islamophobia”.
At the same time EU is developing the Euromediterranian project, the aim of which is to merge EU with the countries in North Africa and the Middle East.
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Demonstrating moslems in Copenhagen. Officially they are called "new Danes".
The demographic consequence of this project is obvious. Millions of people from these countries will rush into Europe and multiply the 40 millions, who are in EU already. But even without this future influx, the collapse of the European civilisation seems to be inescapable. The low birth rate of the Europeans and the high birth rate of the Moslem immigrants will have the consequence, that the Europeans will be outnumbered within few decenniums, - unless something drastically is done very soon.
Serbia
The demographic development, which is now threatening the mere existence of the European civilization, has been going on for many years in Kosovo. And the consequence looks the same.
Albanians have the highest birth rate in Europe, so even without the ethnical cleansings of non-Albanians from Kosovo, the Albanians would have made up the majority anyway.
Now USA has used its power to give Kosovo as an appeasement gift to the Moslem world. Let’s hope that the last word has not yet been said in this matter.
At the same time it is a fact, that the future of Serbia does not look bright with Kosovo as part of the country. The high birth rate of the Albanians will inescapably have the consequence that the Albanians are going to become the majority in Serbia within a number of years.
I do not need to tell Serbians how life is for Christians under Moslem rule.
Denmark, EU and Kosovo
In many ways the development in Kosovo looks as a prelude to the fatal development in the rest of Europe. The hostile attitude and behaviour of Moslem immigrants in Denmark and other EU-countries reminds of the hostile attitude and behaviour of Albanians towards non-Albanians in Kosovo.
However, only few Danes know the facts about Kosovo’s newer history. Most media start the description of the situation in 1989, when an “evil nationalist” named Milosevic abolished the home rule of Kosovo. They never mention, why the home rule was abolished.
Only few people remember what the newspapers wrote about Kosovo back in the 1980’ies. At that time they actually mentioned how non-Albanians were chased out of the province.
Most Danes believe the official truth, which is, that USA/NATO intervened in 1999 in order to stop suppression and ethnic cleansing of Albanians, and most Danes accept the secession of Kosovo, because the media never tell the full truth about the newer history of Kosovo.
Most media describe Serbs as “nationalists”, when they want to keep Serbia united, and they describe Serbs in Srpska as “nationalists”, when they express wishes of doing as the Albanians did in Kosovo. “Nationalist” is a negative word, which is never used about Albanians.
The violation of international law is never mentioned by the media.
However, there are more and more Danes – including the third largest political party, who reject the official policy, and many Danes argue in letters to editors and in blogs and homepages, that if it is accepted, that the Albanians can tear away Kosovo from Serbia, then immigrants in Denmark can also tear away parts of Denmark and declare independence.
There is an increasing understanding for the Serbian point of view among Danes. But it is a struggle against the clock – and the Moslem birthrate. Moslem immigrants and the supporters of immigration were those who most strongly demanded “bomb Serbia” in the early 1999.
Why?
Why do the leaders of Europe want to destroy their own civilization and exchange it with a culture, which has never produced anything but babies and poverty?
And why does USA support this development, for example by speaking for Turkish membership of EU?
There are many theories about this, and it is beyond the scope of this article to explain them here. But of course the oil of the Arab countries plays a key role. During the first oil crisis in 1972 the Arab oil countries demanded, that EU should open for “Arab culture”, which is the same as Islam.
The first outcome of this demand was the Arab European Dialogue, which started in the middle of the 1970’ies.
The support of USA and EU to the Moslems in both Bosnia and Kosovo shall no doubt be understood in this context.
Because of the power of energy resources, the friendship with Russia is Serbia’s best hope for the future. And I dare say: Probably the hope for Denmark and the rest of EU as well.
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