After reading lo the many threads and posts on VNN here these past weeks I have discovered that not very many have gotten to the first step to victory and that is realizing that victory is possible.

Throughout history Jews have had a stranglehold on societies in the past and have lost it to a virtual extinction. And all but a couple hundred of years though they have always been submission to a host race. They have never been self sufficient.

This is the key we must recognize, they NEED US! Without a host society Israel would cease to exist, Without the labor of the working white man and the creativity of our white youth their host society would fail to produce and they would fail to exist.

The answer is not that we should all become bums but we should recognize they have weaknesses. Many talk like they are trying to scare us to death, paranoia and fear is destroying the movement. People are terrified of the Jews to the point they refuse to be active.

The Jews are not superhuman they have weaknesses, recognize these and exploit them to the fullest. They are not insuperable and there is something somewhere that can bring them out of their position of authority. What we have to realize is that we have the numbers and they have weaknesses.

There are many that have played them up to being so powerful almost to the point that one would think they are trolls trying to scare other whites away. As soon as we can discover their weaknesses then we will have a way in. I will list a few and you can add your own.

They MUST rely on the greed of whites
They ALWAYS overplay their hand
They ALWAYS let their pride override good judgment
They MUST use others to do their work
They MUST have a host society
They use emotionalism instead of logic
They more power they have the weaker they become

So they may have the upper hand right now and that is good. Back in the 60’s they came to power because people felt sorry for them. But the more powerful they become the more they will gloat and shove it down our throats and the sicker people will become of them thus making the masses more sympathetic to our cause.

How much longer can they ride the six million coattails people are frankly becoming sick and tired of holocaust propaganda.

I am counting on them becoming more powerful because their pride will be their destruction.

Another step is EDUCATION! People cannot fix a problem if they do not know 1) that there is a problem in the first place; 2) who is causing the problem.

Good post.

Posters, please stay on topic in this worthwhile thread. If trolls knock this thread off topic, I'll move it to Civil Forum.


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I believe the first step would be some simple luck. We need to find or recruit an extremely wealthy benefactor who will fund our efforts at creating a pro-White media presence. It all begins with getting the word out and breaking the system's stranglehold on information. The internet is doing a lot of good, but most people use it for shopping, not truth-seeking. Let's face it, no significant sponsorship is ever going to come our way from corporate America or anywhere else. We start with radio, even if only HAM. The anonymous benefactor would allow us to create a network of pro-White radio stations beginning in the American southeast and spreading west and north as we grow. We have the truth and the eternal laws of nature on our side. That's got to count for something.

Our message would have to be very mild on racial issues in the beginning. Americans have been indoctrinated into the belief that discussing race is taboo and uncouth. Eventually, with the right talent, we could make this all-important issue "okay" to talk about again. We would have to start polite and professional. Our basic ideology would be:

-We would be against both legal (at least from non-White third world countries) and illegal Immigration. America is full. Go home and stay there blacks and browns. We don't need you in our lush green havens committing crimes, dealing drugs, raping white women, crowding our cities, and stealing our jobs. Fact is, we would do the work if everyone in the place wasn't a Mestizo who hated us and can't speak English. We would be for the end to the sieve that is the southern border. There are nearly 40 million Mexicans here legally and approximately another 10 million illegally. America is not Mexico and was not founded and built by Mexicans. Close the borders and fund the border patrol and also independent white entities interested in stopping the brown flow, not the rebuilding of the Iraq we bombed and unbuilt.

-We would be appealing to true Christianity and not Judeo-Christinsanity. I'm not going to start in on this colossal issue, but suffice it to say that we aren't going to go far without having some appeal to the average Christian, a decent person who is moral, kind, upright, and white. We simply would have to work within the confines of this doctrine.

-We would be calm and factual, countering hysterical criticism with the plain and simple facts. Remember, the truth and the eternal laws of nature are our allies. We need never tell a lie. This is our ace in the hole.

-No racial epithets. We are pro-White rather than anti-black, anti-jew, or anti-brown. We know that the only way a nigger can improve society is by dying, but we can't say it. Not at the start.

-Non-white crime rates speak for themselves. We could cite them and let the listener come to their own conclusions.

-We would encourage people to severely limit their time in front of the televitz. We could cite various statistics showing that TV watching leads to many social and personal ills. The same holds true for obesity. A healthy mind and a healthy body are paramount to a life well lived. We could therefore spread a message of good diet and exercise habits. A fattie is very unlikely to have any racial understanding or inclination. The only fat racist I ever saw was in that jewish production American History X.

-We'd have to leave the jews alone until later in the process. In fact, we might have to adopt a policy of not even mentioning the jewish question until later.

-Carefully constructed and worded essays and speeches that appeal to white pride and white identity would be used. Careful coordination between all elements of the network would be requisite.

-Complete non-violence would be preached. The pushing coming to shoving is later.

-Nothing Third Reich. Americans don't identify with Europeans generally and those creepy Germans especially so it would be best to avoid any identification with Nazi Germany. We'd have to start slow and concentrate on making people nod their heads and think "I can relate to that, these guys are right on track and love white folks like me and what this great country once was and could be again too". We must play average folks broadcasting to average folks. Nothing pedantic. Vocabulary earthy and regular. We musn't insult the listener's intelligence by acting like we're know-it-alls.

-We would have to concentrate our efforts on women and children. They are the backbone of any movement aimed at helping whites understand their plight and the real situation facing them. We must make them understand they've been brainwashed by the system. White is white.

-We'd make our people understand that the government does not care about them. We'd have to make them realize that to the system they are nothing but nameless taxpaying drones whose only useful function is to breed more nameless taxpaying drones.

-Expose government corruption. There are dozens of things we can use to illustrate how corrupt, rotten, and beyond repair the system is. We could point the viewer towards certain websites or simply talk about numerous instances of the American government lying through the teeth about this or that. GWB does not equal USA. We have the truth and we must expose the lies. White Americans must realize that if they are loyal and faithful to the Kwa's gubmint, then their loyalty and faithfulness are totally misplaced. The nation no longer exists. There are only international corporations and so-called leaders loyal only to themselves and their rich cohorts. We must educate them without seeming like asshole elitists.

-Question the lies the media puts forth. We'd mock the lies the jewish media tells. We'd use humor to great effect. And sarcasm too. Our mission is to make white people think about their heritage and their history. Again, our focus would be on us, not our enemies.

-Promote and aid politicians who are on our side. Or recruit them from within. And use clever advertising efforts to get people to tune in to our radio stations. Rationality and clear thinking would be our best friends. Patience. Stick-to-it-iveness. Politeness. Kindness. We're only trying to make white people realize some racial identity and ethno-centrism.

-We'd promote homeschooling, home gardening, boycotting major corporations, self-sufficiency, family values in the real sense, a sense of white uniqueness and pride, and eternal life which comes only through race rather than individual. Cosmic, rather than earthly, thinking patterns.

I'm thinking along the lines of a pro-White version of National Public Radio on a smaller scale. And also public access cable efforts. Folk, classical, and traditional music interspersed with interviews, news reports, and other pro-White information.

That's how I see it.

[QUOTE=Vlad]The thickest pillars propping up jews are the christian community at large and public ignorance like Franco said.
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While Christians are an easy scapegoat there are a lot of greedy whites (atheists and Christians also) that have sold for a few shekels more. Overall I believe it is the greed among whites that worship the dollar and don't care about anything else especially race.

Also:

Anything that decentralizes is good for us, because what helps the other side is the centralized domination of media, education, etc.

And whites are good at reorganizing even when knocked flat on their rumps.

Sartre actually puts his finger right on it in his latest at BATR:

http://batr.org/gulag/030503.html

From Sartre:

...The elites that govern the United States are bent on destroying the common bonds of national unity and substituting a perverse form of regional and Pan-American hemisphere homogenization. Their plan is manifest in this immigration plague - caused by current policy of unrestricted entry - “Open Borders”. The answer to overturn this plot may evade most, but is really quite simple. We should encourage the break up of a union that no longer has a common purpose. All the forces that drive bureaucratic conformity to a continent wide authority, should be used to accomplish their preliminary objective. Dissolution of the union is inevitable, only what replaces it is up for grabs. The key in the continual struggle against centralized power is to hasten the breakup of the United States and turn that upheaval into an opportunity to re-establish the individual rightful authority and sovereignty of each independent state...

I concede. The Christians are a hard nut to crack concerning the racial issue or anything approaching white identity/pride. It's waiting in them but has been thoroughly suffocated. But with the right talent and the right approach, I really believe the Christians can be convinced that they are whites first and Christians second. They were lovely white babies before they ever learned about God and his son Jesus. We have to get them to look in the mirror and think about what they see as opposed to what they believe. We have to get them to accept here-and-now reality rather than fantasize over what's going to happen when they die.

For I believe that the heart of Christianity is the fear of death instead of the appreciation of life. What does the Christian gain in life for believing in Christ? A church and fellow congregationists? Satisfaction? A feeling of belonging to something bigger than oneself? If you know pray tell for I know not. The reward for believing always seems to come when they stop breathing. I was just born about 33 years ago so all this stuff is a mystery to me.

I guess rather than seeming hostile to them we must simply seem ambivalent towards religion in general. It's a tough subject as most religious people put a lot of stock in their beliefs and cannot abide having their minds belittled or attacked. It is a quandary and a serious hindrance to any racial awakening among the righteous, pious, and the saved.

For I believe that the heart of Christianity is the fear of death instead of the appreciation of life. What does the Christian gain in life for believing in Christ?
Heaven is the final reward but you have to live a worthy life to gain the privilege of heaven there are many advantages of living the Christian lifestyle. The doctrine of Eschatology or basically terrifying someone of death that they will be to afraid to not listen to pastor was created as a tool to get a few more shekels in the plate. If you are living the Christian lifestyle death is not feared but embraced, such as that of a soldier returning home. What brings fear is when you realize that death is near and you have done nothing to benefit mankind in any way.
A church and fellow congregationists? Satisfaction?
Much like the appeal of WN organizations humans have the desire to belong to something or be a part of something. This is the greatest earthly appeal, but what a better thing to belong to than an organization that is going to benefit your race help your brother when he is in need and get an eternal reward in the process. The appeal of true Christianity (not perverted judeo Christianity) has always been to help your brother. Christianity is highly socialist because it encourages actions for the common good. Transporting criminals from other countries to rape white women are in no way for the common good and thus defeat the point of Christianity. When you develops a sense of community helping your white brothers and sisters in Christ then you realize the true earthly appeal of true Christianity. The entire ideology of Christianity is that we are a separated (separated from the world) people dedicated to a higher cause, this is the bond that keeps us unified. If whites could adopt this ideology that we are dedicated to higher cause thus our actions should always be for the common good then we could get somewhere. You don’t have to join a cult religious organization to maintain white values.
A feeling of belonging to something bigger than oneself?
Mentioned above^
If you know pray tell for I know not. The reward for believing always seems to come when they stop breathing. I was just born about 33 years ago so all this stuff is a mystery to me.
I don’t know if this is the explanation you sought but if not let me know and I may be able to help you further.

The Christian Churches are quoting Jesus directly from the Bible and teaching their flock that "salvation is from the Jews".

My question is:

How can you refute Jesus and still appeal to Christians ?

The answer is simply you cannot refute Jesus and appeal to Chrisitans so you must deal with the subject at hand.

1.Convince people Jews today are not Jews of the bible
2.That they gave up any rights they may or may not have had when they crucified Jesus
3.They are definitely not chosen as NT scripture clearly shows
There are a great deal of ways of dealing with this verse as it is one verse,
Jesus was the Son of God therefore his genetics served no purpose other than to fulfill prophesy

It is easy to take an abstract statement from the bible quote it and make an entire doctrine from it.

I understand how easy it is for someone to take the common view of Christianity as potrayed today and be discouraged with it but let me assure you a great deal of the things people are doing in the name of Christ are not what Christ desired.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

That sends shivers through the hearts of televangelists everywhere.


I know a lot of Christians may be alienated on VNNF and maybe that should be more of a focus for me. I am open to advice.

Ok the intention of this post was not to be a debate on Christianity as much as I appreciate replies and bumps you are going to get this post knocked to a moderated forum. I will gladly make another post if you want that. Let's get back on the subject please.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]After reading lo the many threads and posts on VNN here these past weeks I have discovered that not very many have gotten to the first step to victory and that is realizing that victory is possible.

Throughout history Jews have had a stranglehold on societies in the past and have lost it to a virtual extinction. And all but a couple hundred of years though they have always been submission to a host race. They have never been self sufficient.

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That is true but times are very much different now as then. For example, the jewish mind control by use of the media has never been seen anywhere is history so to use history as to give us hope is pointless.



This is the key we must recognize, they NEED US! Without a host society Israel would cease to exist, Without the labor of the working white man and the creativity of our white youth their host society would fail to produce and they would fail to exist.



That is true, but ZOG does not realise this and their is no point talking to lemmings about this. The parasite will die with the host, stupid in that ZOG are killing thmeselves and not just us :confused:

And there is no way ZOG would find a new host as no one would have them as they would stand out like a sore thunb in large numbers in countries likle Japan

[QUOTE=Jarl]And for WNs, Denying the Role that Christians/Catholic and their Curches and Orgs. ARE playing in Empowering Jews would be SUICIDE !


Would anyone who really cares for the Future of The White Race advocate that ?


http://www.ethanwiner.com/Smileys/Sunny.gif[/QUOTE]
Your ideology of blaming all Christians for the problems a few race traitors have caused is the same as blaming all Aryans for the problems a few Aryan Billionaires have caused.

It is the exact same argument although I don't see you target people like Bill Gates.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST] Why not become wealthy yourself? It is not hard.[/QUOTE]
Are you wealthy? If so send Linder a few grand I am sure he will not turn it down.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]After reading lo the many threads and posts on VNN here these past weeks I have discovered that not very many have gotten to the first step to victory and that is realizing that victory is possible.

Throughout history Jews have had a stranglehold on societies in the past and have lost it to a virtual extinction. And all but a couple hundred of years though they have always been submission to a host race. They have never been self sufficient.

This is the key we must recognize, they NEED US! Without a host society Israel would cease to exist, Without the labor of the working white man and the creativity of our white youth their host society would fail to produce and they would fail to exist.

The answer is not that we should all become bums but we should recognize they have weaknesses. Many talk like they are trying to scare us to death, paranoia and fear is destroying the movement. People are terrified of the Jews to the point they refuse to be active.

The Jews are not superhuman they have weaknesses, recognize these and exploit them to the fullest. They are not insuperable and there is something somewhere that can bring them out of their position of authority. What we have to realize is that we have the numbers and they have weaknesses.

There are many that have played them up to being so powerful almost to the point that one would think they are trolls trying to scare other whites away. As soon as we can discover their weaknesses then we will have a way in. I will list a few and you can add your own.

They MUST rely on the greed of whites
They ALWAYS overplay their hand
They ALWAYS let their pride override good judgment
They MUST use others to do their work
They MUST have a host society
They use emotionalism instead of logic
They more power they have the weaker they become

So they may have the upper hand right now and that is good. Back in the 60’s they came to power because people felt sorry for them. But the more powerful they become the more they will gloat and shove it down our throats and the sicker people will become of them thus making the masses more sympathetic to our cause.

How much longer can they ride the six million coattails people are frankly becoming sick and tired of holocaust propaganda.

I am counting on them becoming more powerful because their pride will be their destruction.[/QUOTE]

None of this is new. You did not outline a first step. You basically are saying the Jews can only beat themselves. There is nothing the WN's can do to make our Zionist Government crash and burn. At least not yet.

[QUOTE=Keystone]LOL. We're never taking this country back. It's gonna get browner and browner everyday until even the old folk like me can't remember what it was like when the US was white.

What in heaven do you think is going to reverse this trend? Whites "waking up?" As long as the oil flows and the jew tube glows and Walmart is open 24 hrs, whites don't give a flying fuck about the "14 Words" or anything like that.

The jews will be in charge of our economy until the housing bubble bursts and the Chinese stop buying our debt and oil goes on the market in Euros. We will then be fucked with a third world economy selling each other Slurpees and shoddy clothing, most outlets being staffed by non-whites. No manufacturing base, no IT technology to call our own. The jews and their accomplices will leave for greener pastures.

Forget corporate farming because it all runs on oil, which will be a precious, dwindling resource being sucked up more and more by the Chinks for their ever- blossoming sweatshop industries.

This country will have to become severely, economically worse by degrees before whites wake up to the truth. We think prosperity is ours by birthright.

Hoard cash, gold and silver. Learn to live simply and by hand as much as you can. Get out of the cities Stay armed.

You can probably forget the internet after awhile as well. If I'm wrong, you can tell me about it here in 10 years.


Keystone[/QUOTE]

Well if the economy does crash and burn hard, and I think it will, whites will know privation and hard times. The animals in America are being bribed at our expense. Haven't you seen huge fat 400 lb Niggers driving around in a Mercedes? A Nigger could not even make a wheel let alone a car. Once the Nigger belly starts to shrink even that "nice black guy at work" will turn into the mindless 80 IQ hairless greasy ape that he is. So I think you are right Baboonica will crash and burn of it's own inertia. I don't get your post though. You start out saying we have no chance to take back the country because the Jewtube is on and there is gas at the pump and in the next paragraph you say that will shortly come to and end.

All we can do is try to have people who are ready to kick Uncle Zoggy when he stumbles. Hungry, homeless, out of work whites will look for answers and someones ass to kick. This is what people like Billy Roper are waiting for as was Dr. Pierce. There is nothing any of us can do right now to effectively harm ZOG the Jews or any of their gunpoint multi-culti directives.

[QUOTE=Keystone]I say it will come to an end because the cheap oil won't always be there for us Americans to gorge on. Even if the peak-oilers are wrong, Keystone[/QUOTE]

Nixon played on the fear of the masses in the 70's by predicting that oil would run out in the next couple of years, then when the prices skyrocketed all of his buddies cashed in and then reported there was enough oil to last another hundred years.

This could just be another ploy to cause oil prices to raise again thus generating more money.

The more arrogant they become the more tired people become of them and the more open they are to attacks, a persecuted Jew is dangerous a rich, arrogant Jew is fair game.

Recognize their style of argumentation and be prepared for it, character assassination is a useful tool for them because it throws us off our game plan and takes us away from our focus of facts.

When openly debating with a Jew especially in front of a large crowd, remember that they are going to try to anger us, and a sister sleeping with Africans crack is enough to throw even the best of Aryans off our game plans and into their arena. Anticipate this and prepare answers for remarks concerning character assassination.

Don’t stoop to their level because they are better at it, they have more practice at fighting using emotionalism so we MUST use Aryan ingenuity. Our best defense is our natural ability. Put an Aryan in the Jewish world and our morals will keep us from rising to the top. Make sure morals are the main focus and the Jew is a lost ball in a high wind.

White heritage is the key, make people proud to remember and forget that 1/100th Indian gene.

Sometimes whites use heritage as a cop out, one of my biggest encounters is “my grandfather fought those Nazis”, one of my grandfathers fought in WWI and the other in WWII and so did GLR but they were all pro-white.

Learn to counteract clichés drill people on what replies are and how to deal with them. Develop a reply data bank and drill people on the top replies, the rest we can think on our feet if we are well learned.

Originally Posted by gunter88
Why would anyone send it to Linder? How much can it cost to keep a website up? A website is NOT an organization. Perhaps you will learn this when you grow up and perhaps at the same time realize that posting to forums is NOT an accomplishment.
Because Linder provides a valuable service. I don’t want to run and finance a web site so I am thankful for those like Linder who do. If you start a free speech web site I would go there and post and be glad for you also. While I don’t agree with everything Linder says and I am sure he agrees with less that I say, he does provide a forum for whites to post their ideas get reactions, educate other whites and just for out and out enjoyment for those that don’t watch telivitz.

If you hate VNNF and Linder so strongly why don’t you just leave? Wait don’t leave who else would keep tabs on me and keep my posts bumped as good as you do? I am glad I have an adoring fan club.

I hope for your sake you are a teenager. This would help explain your naivete.

Actually what if I said I am 8 years old. You got manipulated by an 8-yearold you ignorant punk, you stand no chance whatsoever against a Jew. Actually I am 28 but I can still manipulate you into keeping my posts bumped because you are lucky to have 10% of my IQ.

[QUOTE=Jarl]Perhaps this will be of use to some...

http://www.thisistrue.com/images/goohfs.jpg[/QUOTE]
While somewhat Humorous and moderately entertaining, the question remains did you have a point other than a mindless rambling?