If not the Jews, then what is the problem?


90 YEARS - A SHORT STORY

This is the story of three children: Buffy, Jeffrey, and Wang.

Buffy was an only child born to two hard-working Boston-Irish parents. Buffy’s father preferred to drive large cars and was one of the first in the neighborhood to purchase a new SUV. But what Buffy’s father really wanted more that anything in the world was a large houseboat that he could keep at the lake and use to take his old high school buddies fishing. What Buffy’s mother wanted most in the world was a four thousand square foot, two-story house with finished basement, dual air conditioners, white oak flooring, and berber carpeting that she could decorate and fill full of beautiful oak furniture. As a result, both parents worked long hours and Buffy went to day care as soon as she was old enough. When school started she came home to a babysitter who was busy on the telephone so Buffy would grab a snack and switch on the TV. Despite her attempts as a child, her father always seemed a little distant and years later she found out that she had been having affairs with women at his work long before she was born. On her ninth birthday, her mother (who was drunk at the time) told Buffy that she had been an “accident” and probably the only reason the parents were still together. Despite these issues, her parents believed in encouragement and building her ego so when Buffy took Fifth Place at the summer camp swim meet, they promptly went out and bought a large trophy. On it they had inscribed the following:

“You are #1.”

Like Buffy, Jeffrey was an only child. His parents attended synagogue and observed some of the less onerous customs, but neither was very religious. His father was a mathematics professor at the local university and his mother (an accomplished pianist) stayed at home to raise Jeffrey. She taught him to play the piano by the age of four and he was reading music and composing by the age of six. The parents did not own a television but Jeffrey was kept busy. In addition to regular public school, he attended Hebrew school, a language school to learn French and he attended the local music conservatory where he learned the violin (his Uncle Mortimer was a famous violinist with the Haifa String Quartet). The family ate dinner together every night where Jeffrey’s father would grill him on current events. Jeffrey dreaded dinner time. He was expected to answer in complete sentences and to offer his opinion only if accompanied by at least two distinct pieces of evidence. He was encouraged to argue and debate his father, even though his father always won and would occasionally demean him for being wrong. Jeffrey’s mother kept silent during the often heated debates between father and son but would help her son prepare for them while fixing dinner. Jeffrey considered her his closest ally in the daily war he fought against his father. What Jeffrey didn’t know was that his father and mother would talk early in the afternoon about what the debate would be that night so that she could prepare him.

Wang was the sixth child in a family of eight children but his extended family included over forty grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins all who lived within walking distance. His father was a nuclear engineer trained at Cal Tech and his mother a school teacher who still spoke English with an accent. The family owned neither a TV or a radio and Wang grew up around the large circular kitchen table that was always covered with his brothers and sister’s schoolwork. At night, the table was cleared and the family would sit down to a late dinner usually cooked by the children’s grandmother. Wang never remembered eating a meal with just his family alone. Every meal included some extended family member who had just dropped by to visit. Early on, his parents discovered that Wang had an ear for music and like his older brother, Wang became an accomplished cellist. He also had a facility for languages and although the family spoke English at home, Wang could speak Mandarin and Spanish (which was widely spoken in the neighborhood) before entering school.

During high school, Buffy’s grades were always above average but she and her girlfriends found schoolwork boring and only did the minimum necessary. Her parents congratulated her when she brought home report cards full of Bs and Cs and always assured her that if she tried harder, she could make straight As. Buffy loved music and day dreamed about joining a band and making it as a singer in Hollywood. Her TV was on whenever she was in her room, usually tuned to some station playing music videos. She also built a large collection of CDs and developed an amazing knowledge of Rock & Roll and later Hip Hop trivia. As a sophomore, she tried out for the cheerleading squad but failed, so she became a majorette. She worked hard at dancing and practiced the baton every day for long hours. During the next two years, she became a good twirler and very popular and in her senior year dated the captain, the middle linebacker, the quarterback and two other members of the football team. None of these relationships were serious and she enjoyed being part of the jock scene and mingling with the prettier cheerleaders. However, during the senior year Christmas holiday, one of her friends confided that the members of the football team called her “Blowjob Buffy” behind her back and were already telling the members of the basketball team to “give her a try” because a “Buffy Blowjob” was a great way to relax the night before a game. Buffy immediately withdrew from the majorettes and turned her attention towards her school work. Her grades improved somewhat in her final semester and she graduated in the middle of her class, but her SAT scores were mediocre and she settled on attending the local community college. She met a boy that summer and dated for the first time in months. She called him one morning to tell him she was pregnant but he hung up the phone and she never heard from him again. She gave birth to the baby and gave him up for adoption.

During his high school career, Jeffrey took all Honors and Advanced Placement courses while continuing to study music. By now he was terrified of his domineering father and was afraid to bring home anything less than a perfect result in everything he did. His mother helped, but by his senior year of high school, the pressure became too much and Jeffrey suffered a mild breakdown. This caused his father to relent a little and Jeffrey was allowed to stop music training so he could focus on schoolwork. He was the valedictorian for his high school graduating class and gave a speech titled the “Challenges Of Technology To An Unfocused Youth.” He scored 1578 on his SATs which disappointed his father somewhat because Jeffrey failed to max out on the math portion. (His father had scored a perfect SAT.) Jeffrey was accepted at Harvard and received a full scholarship. Harvard was his father’s alma mater and his father had many connections there. This helped him keep an eye on Jeffrey during his college years. Even though the two became increasingly distant as time went on, his father called every Thursday night to discuss current events and his schoolwork.

Like Jeffrey, Wang also graduated as his high school class valedictorian. Unlike Jeffrey however, he graduated two years early, having skipped both the 5th and 8th grades. Although his SAT scores were not as high as might have been expected, Wang received a full scholarship to M.I.T. where, as his father had done at Cal Tech, he studied nuclear engineering.

Buffy’s parents separated the summer she graduated high school and the divorce became final right after Buffy placed her baby for adoption. They sold their big house and she and her mother moved into a small apartment near the junior college. Her mother stopped working and began spending her days in front of the television. Buffy worked at J.C. Penneys and went to school at night. After two years, she scraped together some financial aid and transferred to a nearby university where she shared a dorm room with another Junior. She drifted during her Junior year, before finally choosing English Literature as a major. Finding the course work difficult, she then settled on Sociology as a major because it was the easiest thing she could find. She met “Charlie” during her brief foray into English Lit. He dressed Goth with heavily darkened eyes and black fingernail polish and had read everything written about vampires. Although she didn’t like his choice of music, she found him interesting and fun to talk to. Their affair became sexual and she began spending more time in his dorm room and less in hers because her room mate was obviously a lesbian who kept touching her on the arm and dropping hints that she was interested in more than just being a room mate. It was during the Spring Break of her Junior year that she found out she was pregnant. She called Charlie and he seemed excited by the news, but he didn’t return to school after Spring Break and soon stopped returning her calls. She had an abortion just before school ended, worked at J.C. Penneys during the summer and returned to school in the Fall. But by Christmas of her Senior year she lost all interest in college, dropped out and returned to J.C. Penneys. By this point she was 85 pounds heavier than when she had graduated high school and was a size 14. She started buying all her clothing online using her J.C. Penneys discount.

Jeffrey graduated Harvard with a degree in business, summa cum laude, and immediately began study at the University of Pennsylvania Wharton School of Business. He chose the school not only because Uncle Cy had recommended it (Uncle Cy, his father’s brother, owned his own bond trading company on Wall Street and had attended Wharton) but because it was the furthest he could go to get away from his father. Following graduation (again summa cum laude) he took his Wharton’s MBA and moved to New York City to work for Uncle Cy as a bond trader. Although he began as a lowly “runner,” Uncle Cy promoted him quickly and within two years he was pulling in $150,000 in base salary and another $200K in bonus money.

Wang graduated from M.I.T. and immediately entered the University of California School of Law at Berkeley to study Environmental Law. Upon graduation, and with the help of his father’s connections in the government, he moved to Rockville, Maryland and went to work for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. After two years at headquarters, he was promoted and transferred to the NRC’s Region 2 in Atlanta where he headed the team investigating whistleblower complaints.

Five years after dropping out of college, Buffy was an assistant manager at J.C. Penneys. She dated another employee and was engaged to be married. Several weeks before the wedding, he suddenly broke it off and moved to San Francisco. She later found out from a mutual friend that her former fiancé had started dressing in women’s clothing and was now calling himself “Nancy.” She never told him/her that she was pregnant and quietly got her second abortion. Now 150 pounds overweight and a confirmed size 3X, she could no longer find clothes on the J.C. Penney’s catalog and had simply started wearing her mother’s clothing. (Mom was a 4X.) The two continued sharing an apartment and spent their evening watching television and bickering about who was hogging the remote.

Five years after going to work for Uncle Cy, Jeffrey found himself debt-free, moderately wealthy but out of a job. The F.B.I. and I.R.S. had accused Uncle Cy of laundering money and he had shut the doors of the trading firm, destroyed its records and left the country. Even his wife said she had no idea where he was. Out of work, Jeffrey was contacted by his Aunt Sophia (his mother’s sister) and invited to come work for her in California. He arrived expecting to join Aunt Sophia at the accounting firm she owned jointly with her husband (Uncle Max), but when he arrived she introduced him to her “other” business: a lucrative pornography company. Jeffrey had no idea that Aunt Sophia was “in the business” but soon learned that her company was responsible for a line of very popular sex videos he had seen while in college. “Hank’s Anal Co-ed Adventures” and “Hank’s Anal Spring Break Adventures” were popular at college frat houses throughout the country. “Hank,” whose real name was Sylvester James, was a coal-black, Los Angeles ex-con who had done a ten-year bit for aggravated burglary. (He claimed to have forgotten about the revolver in his jacket pocket.) While in prison, he spent his time weight lifting and ass-raping younger, weaker inmates, so upon leaving prison at 28, he decided to become a porn star and get paid for his hobby. Jeffrey joined Aunt Sophia’s business (Starlight Studios) as one of its business managers and soon found that he had a knack for the porn business. In keeping with the original formula, he recruited young, well-built, black ex-cons to play the part of “Hank” (they all looked alike anyway) and paid them the minimum possible. In addition to young white girls, he began recruiting pretty, young, tiny Latinas and began making films in Spanish for export to South America. Within a year, the series called "Hank’s Screaming Anal Latina Adventures" had doubled the studio’s profits. Aunt Sophia and Uncle Max made him a partner and he helped them take Starlight Studio public. In no time, he was a millionaire. He celebrated his 30th birthday by inviting his mother and father for dinner to his Malibu home. He couldn’t tell, but his father seemed proud.

On his 30th birthday, Wang flew home with his wife and two girls to celebrate with the whole family. As they sat around the large wooden table, the same one he had sat around doing his homework as a child, a stranger introduced himself in perfect Mandarin, though with the slight accent Wang recognized as Malay. The stranger knew his father from college days and offered Wang a position as assistant director of a company building nuclear reactors in Vietnam and China. Wang quickly accepted and within a year, he had quit the NRC, sold his home in Atlanta and moved his family to a spacious condo on Singapore’s beautiful Orchard Road.

On her 30th birthday, Buffy ignored her diabetes and ate a quart of her favorite ice cream - Breyer’s Chocolate Crackle, while watching the video her mother had given her as a birthday present (Jerry Springer Uncut And Out Of Control 4). Her mother went to bed early and Buffy fell asleep on the couch waiting for her father to call and wish her a happy birthday. He never did.

On top of the TV sat the trophy her parents had given her as a child. On it was the faded inscription:

“You are #1.”

Why it's all about the jews

The Story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears

Once upon a time, there was a little girl named Goldilocks. She went for a walk in the forest. Pretty soon, she came upon a house. She knocked and, when no one answered, she walked right in.

At the table in the kitchen, there were three bowls of porridge. Goldilocks was hungry. She tasted the porridge from the first bowl.

"This porridge is too hot!" she exclaimed.

So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.

"This porridge is too cold," she said

So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.

"Ahhh, this porridge is just right," she said happily and she ate it all up.

After she'd eaten the three bears' breakfasts she decided she was feeling a little tired. So, she walked into the living room where she saw three chairs. Goldilocks sat in the first chair to rest her feet.

"This chair is too big!" she exclaimed.

So she sat in the second chair.

"This chair is too big, too!" she whined.

So she tried the last and smallest chair.

"Ahhh, this chair is just right," she sighed. But just as she settled down into the chair to rest, it broke into pieces!

Goldilocks was very tired by this time, so she went upstairs to the bedroom. She lay down in the first bed, but it was too hard. Then she lay in the second bed, but it was too soft. Then she lay down in the third bed and it was just right. Goldilocks fell asleep.

As she was sleeping, the three bears came home.

"Someone's been eating my porridge," growled the Papa bear.

"Someone's been eating my porridge," said the Mama bear.

"Someone's been eating my porridge and they ate it all up!" cried the Baby bear.

"Someone's been sitting in my chair," growled the Papa bear.

"Someone's been sitting in my chair," said the Mama bear.

"Someone's been sitting in my chair and they've broken it all to pieces," cried the Baby bear.

They decided to look around some more and when they got upstairs to the bedroom, Papa bear growled, "Someone's been sleeping in my bed,"

"Someone's been sleeping in my bed, too" said the Mama bear

"Someone's been sleeping in my bed and she's still there!" exclaimed Baby bear.

Just then, Goldilocks woke up and saw the three bears. She screamed, "Help!" And she jumped up and ran out of the room. Goldilocks ran down the stairs, opened the door, and ran away into the forest. And she never returned to the home of the three bears.

The end

It's just as irrelevant as your story, but personally I think it's a better tale, more action, you know what I mean?

Ooo I got a good one!

Why it's not about race!

Once upon a time there was two little boys, one was black, and he was called Sambo, and one was White and he was called fuckin-evil-nazi-that-wants-to-kill-six-million-jews.

Sambo was really, really intelligent, he must have been, he went to college!

Look, I know they had some sort of fag ass affirmative action scheme going, but like seriously, he was some sort of super genius, and he never killed anyone, or raped them, or at least there's nothing about it on his rap sheet, which proves no black people ever do.

Meanwhile fuckin-evil-nazi-that-wants-to-kill-six-million-jews didn't go to college, and that proves he's a complete homo-loser, and a freaking idiot, and he listened to Barry Manilow records too, so his grandma came down to the basement one day, and said "Shut that noise off you evil homo-loser" and put a bullet in his head, which proves all White people are psychotic retarded killers.

The end

All this proves it's not about race, and black people are wonderful, so shall we all go home now?

:rolleyes:

Ooo I got a good one!

Why it's not about race!

Once upon a time there was two little boys, one was black, and he was called Sambo, and one was White and he was called fuckin-evil-nazi-that-wants-to-kill-six-million-jews.

Sambo was really, really intelligent, he must have been, he went to college!

Look, I know they had some sort of fag ass affirmative action scheme going, but like seriously, he was some sort of super genius, and he never killed anyone, or raped them, or at least there's nothing about it on his rap sheet, which proves no black people ever do.

Meanwhile fuckin-evil-nazi-that-wants-to-kill-six-million-jews didn't go to college, and that proves he's a complete homo-loser, and a freaking idiot, and he listened to Barry Manilow records too, so his grandma came down to the basement one day, and said "Shut that noise off you evil homo-loser" and put a bullet in his head, which proves all White people are psychotic retarded killers.

The end

All this proves it's not about race, and black people are wonderful, so shall we all go home now?

:rolleyes:
you should get in touch with steven shpeelberg and sell him that story, i can hear the annoying trumpets in the background already ;)

In all serious Mr Diaz, I don't know what your obsession is with the jews, and I use the word obsession intentionally, as you seem to spend more time obsessing about, and trying to excuse them, than half the members here do trying to name them, and it is a particular fixation you seem to have with that one race only, but whatever the reason for the obsession, let me try and explain all this to you in very, very simple terms.

What is our problem?

Our #1, over riding problem, is that a foreign, and hostile race, has a disproportionate amount of power and influence in our countries, and because they are not the same race as us, that influence is damaging to our country, to our people, and to our culture, and heritage.

It's like a cancer, it eats at our people.

The #2 problem facing us is a by product of the #1 problem, and that problem is that other races are imported, and encouraged to enter our nations, by the same foreign, and hostile, race, that has that disproportionate amount of power and influence in our countries.

These other races further eat away at the fabric of our countries, and cause additional problems for our people, for example increased crime rates.

Why do people allow this problem to continue?

There are two primary reasons why this problem is allowed to continue.

1). Most people are fully against what is happening, but to many people are still not fully aware of the full extent of the problem, and do not realize that there is a foreign, and hostile, race that has the level of power and influence in our countries that they do.

They still believe they live in a country that is completely ruled, and controlled, by their own people.

They still have faith in the system, and believe that, because they believe they still have control, that the solution to the problem can be found through conventional means.

Therefore they continue to prop up the system, and by virtue maintain the problem, rather than dealing with the problem.

2). The second reason that this problem is allowed to remain is that far to many people, both those unaware of the true extent of the hostile 'take over' of our countries, and even many of those who are aware, are either to scared to do anything about it, or have become to dependent upon the 'occupying regime', and therefore are unwilling to engage them.

What is our role?

Our role is to overcome the above reasons, as experienced by our people, that allows the problem, which is, as we saw in step one, was the foreign, and hostile, race to remain in situ.

We do this by educating people to the true nature of the problem, and to the full extent of the problem, alerting them to the fact that we have been left completely outside of the system, and that the system is in effect to far controlled by foreign powers for it to be of any use in correcting our situation, and by removing the fear from our peoples hearts, and recruiting those who can give them the confidence to do something about it, either through education, leadership, or by other means.

What would be the outcome of these actions?

When enough people, of a suitable ability, are alerted to the full extent of our problems, and have the fear removed from their hearts, then there will be revolution.

Will the removal of these foreign and hostile people make everything all right?

Of course not, there will always be assholes, there will always be greedy people, there will always be the perverse, and the corrupt, but at the end of the day they will be OUR assholes, our perverted, and our corrupt people, and most importantly of all we will have self determination again, and the right, and the ability, to deal with OUR trash, in the way that WE want.

Life won't be perfect, but we'll at least be masters of our own fate.

Now you can spend the next hundred years trying to convince everyone here that the jews are a wonderful bunch of people, who are so misrepresented by the evil media, and if only we ignored all the facts we could grow to love them, but none of that would change the fact that they ain't White, and that I am a White man, looking for a White country, ruled by White people, where I have self-determination, and that can't be achieved through compromise.

It's no jews. Just right.

lets deal with some facts instead of hypothetical stories

http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/

THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment.

Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated.

The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to think about that image. Essentially everything we know—or think we know—about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our television.

It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of history-distorting TV "docudramas" that characterizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the entertainment that they present to us.

For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized and which are played down; the reporter's choice of words, tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustrations—all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear.

On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way.

Molding American Minds

For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and socially sought after by other characters, as will a "take charge" Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual, or a poor but honest and hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist—that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America—is portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun nut," in fact, has become a familiar stereotype on TV shows.

The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an unhealthy portion, distinguishes between these fictional situations and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the televised actions, statements, and attitudes of TV actors much as he does to his own peers in real life. For all too many Americans the real world has been replaced by the false reality of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to conform responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom he is writing, and disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions of viewers toward conformity with his own views.

And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news, whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form of thought control is that even when we realize that entertainment or news is biased, the media masters still are able to manipulate most of us. This is because they not only slant what they present, but also they establish tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion.

As an example, consider the media treatment of Middle East news. Some editors or commentators are slavishly pro-Israel in their every utterance, while others seem nearly neutral. No one, however, dares suggest that the U.S. government is backing the wrong side in the Arab-Jewish conflict, or that 9-11 was a result of that support. Nor does anyone dare suggest that it served Jewish interests, rather than American interests, to send U.S. forces to cripple Iraq, Israel's principal rival in the Middle East. Thus, a spectrum of permissible opinion, from pro-Israel to nearly neutral, is established.

Another example is the media treatment of racial issues in the United States. Some commentators seem almost dispassionate in reporting news of racial strife, while others are emotionally partisan—with the partisanship always on the non-White side. All of the media spokesmen without exception, however, take the position that "multiculturalism" and racial mixing are here to stay and that they are good things.

Because there are differences in degree, however, most Americans fail to realize that they are being manipulated. Even the citizen who complains about "managed news" falls into the trap of thinking that because he is presented with an apparent spectrum of opinion he can escape the thought controllers' influence by believing the editor or commentator of his choice. It's a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation. Every point on the permissible spectrum of public opinion is acceptable to the media masters—and no impermissible fact or viewpoint is allowed any exposure at all, if they can prevent it.

The control of the opinion-molding media is nearly monolithic. All of the controlled media—television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books, motion pictures—speak with a single voice, each reinforcing the other. Despite the appearance of variety, there is no real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the great mass of people that might allow them to form opinions at odds with those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the world—a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a "pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous, White one. It is a view of the world designed by the media masters to suit their own ends—and the pressure to conform to that view is overwhelming. People adapt their opinions to it, vote in accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it.

And who are these all-powerful masters of the media? As we shall see, to a very large extent they are Jews. It isn't simply a matter of the media being controlled by profit-hungry capitalists, some of whom happen to be Jews. If that were the case, the ethnicity of the media masters would reflect, at least approximately, the ratio of rich Gentiles to rich Jews. Despite a few prominent exceptions, the preponderance of Jews in the media is so overwhelming that we are obliged to assume that it is due to more than mere happenstance.


Electronic News & Entertainment Media

Continuing government deregulation of the telecommunications industry has resulted, not in the touted increase of competition, but rather in an accelerating wave of corporate mergers and acquisitions that have produced a handful of multi-billion-dollar media conglomerates. The largest of these conglomerates are rapidly growing even bigger by consuming their competition, almost tripling in size during the 1990s. Whenever you watch television, whether from a local broadcasting station or via cable or a satellite dish; whenever you see a feature film in a theater or at home; whenever you listen to the radio or to recorded music; whenever you read a newspaper, book, or magazine—it is very likely that the information or entertainment you receive was produced and/or distributed by one of these megamedia companies:

Time Warner. The largest media conglomerate today is Time Warner (briefly called AOL-Time Warner; the AOL was dropped from the name when accounting practices at the AOL division were questioned by government investigators), which reached its current form when America Online bought Time Warner for $160 billion in 2000. The combined company had revenue of $39.5 billion in 2003. The merger brought together Steve Case, a Gentile, as chairman of AOL-Time Warner, and Gerald Levin, a Jew, as the CEO. Warner, founded by the Jewish Warner brothers in the early part of the last century, rapidly became part of the Jewish power base in Hollywood, a fact so well-known that it is openly admitted by Jewish authors, as is the fact that each new media acquisition becomes dominated by Jews in turn: Speaking of the initial merger of Time, Inc. with Warner, Jewish writer Michael Wolff said in New York magazine in 2001 "since Time Inc.'s merger with Warner ten years ago, one of the interesting transitions is that it has become a Jewish company." ("From AOL to W," New York magazine, January 29, 2001)

The third most powerful man at AOL-Time Warner, at least on paper, was Vice Chairman Ted Turner, a White Gentile. Turner had traded his Turner Broadcasting System, which included CNN, to Time Warner in 1996 for a large block of Time Warner shares. By April 2001 Levin had effectively fired Ted Turner, eliminating him from any real power. However, Turner remained a very large and outspoken shareholder and member of the board of directors.

Levin overplayed his hand, and in a May 2002 showdown, he was fired by the company's board. For Ted Turner, who had lost $7 billion of his $9 billion due to Levin's mismanagement, it was small solace. Turner remains an outsider with no control over the inner workings of the company. Also under pressure, Steve Case resigned effective in May 2003. The board replaced both Levin and Case with a Black, Richard Parsons. Behind Parsons the Jewish influence and power remains dominant.


AOL is the largest Internet service provider in the world, with 34 million U.S. subscribers. It is now being used as an online platform for the Jewish content from Time Warner. Jodi Kahn and Meg Siesfeld, both Jews, lead the Time Inc. Interactive team under executive editor Ned Desmond, a White Gentile. All three report to Time Inc. editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. Their job is to transfer Time Warner's content to target specific segments of America Online's audience, especially women, children, and teens.

Time Warner was already the second largest of the international media leviathans when it merged with AOL. Time Warner's subsidiary HBO (26 million subscribers) is the nation's largest pay-TV cable network. HBO's "competitor" Cinemax is another of Time Warner's many cable ventures.

Until the purchase in May 1998 of PolyGram by Jewish billionaire Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music was America's largest record company, with 50 labels. Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap." Through its involvement with Interscope Records (prior to Interscope's acquisition by another Jewish-owned media firm), it helped to popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites. Bronfman purchased Warner Music in 2004, keeping it solidly in Jewish hands.

In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio, Castle Rock Entertainment, and New Line Cinema). Time Warner's publishing division is managed by its editor-in-chief, Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. He controls 50 magazines including Time, Life, Sports Illustrated, and People. Book publishing ventures include Time-Life Books, Book-of-the-Month Club, Little Brown, and many others. Time Warner also owns Shoutcast and Winamp, the very tools that most independent Internet radio broadcasters rely on, and, as a dominant player in the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), was essentially "negotiating" with itself when Internet radio music royalty rules were set that strongly favored large content providers and forced many small broadcasters into silence. (The Register, "AOL Time Warner takes grip of net radio," 8th April 2003)

Ted Turner's Lesson: "Be very careful with whom you merge."

When Ted Turner, the Gentile media maverick, made a bid to buy CBS in 1985, there was panic in the media boardrooms across the country. Turner had made a fortune in advertising and then built a successful cable-TV news network, CNN, with over 70 million subscribers.

Although Turner had never taken a stand contrary to Jewish interests, he was regarded by William Paley and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for Jews.

To block Turner's bid, CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a "friendly" takeover of CBS. From 1986 to 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. Subsequent efforts by Ted Turner to acquire CBS were obstructed by Gerald Levin's Time Warner, which owned nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and had veto power over major deals. But when his fellow Jew Sumner Redstone offered to buy CBS for $34.8 billion in 1999, Levin had no objections.

Thus, despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner never commanded the "connections" necessary for being a media master. He finally decided if you can't lick 'em, join 'em, and he sold out to Levin's Time Warner. Ted Turner summed it up:



"I've had an incredible life for the most part. I made a lot of smart moves, and I made a lot of money. Then something happened, and I merged with Time Warner, which looked like the right thing to do at the time. And it was good for shareholders.

"But then I lost control. I thought I would have enough moral authority to have all the influence in the new company. If you go into business, be very careful with whom you merge.

"I thought I was buying Time Warner, but they were buying me. We had kind of a difference in viewpoint. Then they merged with AOL, and that was a complete disaster, at least so far. I have lost 85 percent of my wealth."

Disney. The second-largest media conglomerate today, with 2003 revenues of $27.1 billion, is the Walt Disney Company. Its leading personality and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew.

The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as a "control freak," includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television) and cable networks with more than 100 million subscribers altogether. As for feature films, the Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group includes Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Jewish Weinstein brothers, Bob and Harvey, who have produced such ultra-raunchy movies as The Crying Game, Priest, and Kids.

When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, the company under Eisner has expanded into the production of a great deal of so-called "adult" material.

In August 1995, Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., which owns the ABC television network, which in turn owns ten TV stations outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Houston. In addition, in the United States ABC has 225 affiliated TV stations, over 2,900 affiliated radio stations and produces over 7,200 radio programs. ABC owns 54 radio stations and operates 57 radio stations, many in major cities such as New York, Washington, and Los Angeles. Radio Disney, part of ABC Radio Networks, provides programming targeting children.

Sports network ESPN, an ABC cable subsidiary, is headed by President and CEO George W. Bodenheimer, who is a Jew. The corporation also controls the Disney Channel, Toon Disney, A&E, Lifetime Television, SOAPnet and the History Channel, with between 86 and 88 million subscribers each. The ABC Family television network has 84 million subscribers and, in addition to broadcasting entertainment (some of it quite raunchy for a "family" channel), is also the network outlet for Christian Zionist TV evangelist Pat Robertson.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, ABC/Disney earns over $1 billion in publishing, owning Walt Disney Company Book Publishing, Hyperion Books, and Miramax Books. It also owns six daily newspapers and publishes over 20 magazines. Disney Publishing Worldwide publishes books and magazines in 55 languages in 74 countries, reaching more than 100 million readers each month

On the Internet, Disney runs Buena Vista Internet Group, ABC Internet Group, ABC.com, ABCNEWS.com, Oscar.com, Mr. Showbiz, Disney Online, Disney's Daily Blast, Disney.com, Family.com, ESPN Internet Group, ESPN.sportzone.com, Soccernet.com, NFL.com, NBA.com, Infoseek (partial ownership), and Disney Interactive.

Viacom. Number three on the list, with 2003 revenues of just over $26.5 billion, is Viacom, Inc., headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), a Jew. Melvin A. Karmazin, another Jew, was number two at Viacom until June 2004, holding the positions of president and chief operating officer. Karmazin remains a large Viacom shareholder. Replacing Karmazin as co-presidents and co-COOs are a Jew, Leslie Moonves, and Tom Freston, a possible Jew. (We have been unable to confirm Freston's Jewish ancestry; he has done work for Jewish organizations and was involved in the garment trade, a heavily Jewish industry, importing clothing from the Third World to the U.S. in the 1970s.)

Viacom produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 39 television stations outright with another 200 affiliates in its wholly-owned CBS Television Network, owns 185 radio stations in its Infinity radio group, and has over 1,500 affiliated stations through its CBS Radio Network. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing (born Sherry Lee Heimann), who is planning to retire at the end of 2005.

Viacom was formed in 1971 as a way to dodge an anti-monopoly FCC ruling that required CBS to spin off a part of its cable TV operations and syndicated programming business. This move by the government unfortunately did nothing to reduce the mostly Jewish collaborative monopoly that remains the major problem with the industry. In 1999, after CBS had again augmented itself by buying King World Productions (a leading TV program syndicator), Viacom acquired its progenitor company, CBS, in a double mockery of the spirit of the 1971 ruling.

Redstone acquired CBS following the December 1999 stockholders' votes at CBS and Viacom. CBS Television has long been headed by the previously mentioned Leslie Moonves; the other Viacom co-president, Tom Freston, headed wholly-owned MTV.

Viacom also owns the Country Music Television and The Nashville Network cable channels and is the largest outdoor advertising (billboards, etc.) entity in the U.S. Viacom's publishing division includes Simon & Schuster, Scribner, The Free Press, Fireside, and Archway Paperbacks. It distributes videos through its over 8,000 Blockbuster stores. It is also involved in satellite broadcasting, theme parks, and video games.

Viacom's chief claim to fame, however, is as the world's largest provider of cable programming through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, Black Entertainment Television, and other networks. Since 1989 MTV and Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the juvenile television audience. MTV dominates the television market for viewers between the ages of 12 and 24.

Sumner Redstone owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom. He offers Jackass as a teen role model and pumps MTV's racially mixed rock and rap videos into 342 million homes in 140 countries and is a dominant cultural influence on White teenagers around the world. MTV also makes race-mixing movies like Save the Last Dance.

Nickelodeon, with over 87 million subscribers, has by far the largest share of the four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and is expanding rapidly into Europe. Most of its shows do not yet display the blatant degeneracy that is MTV's trademark, but Redstone is gradually nudging the fare presented to his kiddie viewers toward the same poison purveyed by MTV. Nickelodeon continues a 12-year streak as the top cable network for children and younger teenagers.

NBC Universal. Another Jewish media mogul is Edgar Bronfman, Jr. He headed Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, until its recent merger with Vivendi. His father, Edgar Bronfman, Sr., is president of the World Jewish Congress.

Seagram owned Universal Studios and later purchased Interscope Records, the foremost promoter of "gangsta rap," from Warner. Universal and Interscope now belong to Vivendi Universal, which merged with NBC in May 2004, with the parent company now called NBC Universal.

Bronfman became the biggest man in the record business in May 1998 when he also acquired control of PolyGram, the European record giant, by paying $10.6 billion to the Dutch electronics manufacturer Philips.

In June 2000, the Bronfman family traded Seagram to Vivendi for stock in Vivendi, and Edgar, Jr. became vice chairman of Vivendi. Vivendi was originally a French utilities company, and was then led by Gentile Jean-Marie Messier. A board of directors faction led by Bronfman forced Messier to resign in July 2002.

Vivendi also acquired bisexual Jew Barry Diller's USA Networks in 2002. (Diller is the owner of InterActive Corporation, which owns Expedia, Ticketmaster, The Home Shopping Network, Lending Tree, Hotels.com, CitySearch, Evite, Match.com, and other Internet businesses.) Vivendi combined the USA Network, Universal Studios, Universal Television, and theme parks into Vivendi Universal Entertainment (VUE).

After the Vivendi-NBC merger, Bronfman used his considerable personal profits to strike out on his own, and recently purchased Warner Music from Jewish-dominated Time Warner. The current chairman of NBC Universal is a Gentile often associated with Jewish causes, long-time NBC employee Bob Wright. Ron Meyer, a Jew, is president and chief operating officer of Universal Studios. Stacey Snider, also Jewish, is the chairman of Universal Pictures. The president of NBC Universal Television Group is Jeff Zucker, another Jew.

With two of the top four media conglomerates in the hands of Jews (Disney and Viacom), with Jewish executives running the media operations of NBC Universal, and with Jews filling a large proportion of the executive jobs at Time Warner, it is unlikely that such an overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate, concerted effort on the Jews' part.
Other media companies: Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation owns Fox Television Network, Fox News, the FX Channel, 20th Century Fox Films, Fox 2000, and publisher Harper Collins. News Corp. is the fifth largest megamedia corporation in the nation, with 2003 revenues of approximately $19.2 billion. It is the only other media company which comes close to the top four.

Its Fox News Channel has been a key outlet pushing the Jewish neoconservative agenda that lies behind the Iraq War and which animates both the administration of George W. Bush and the "new conservatism" that embraces aggressive Zionism and multiracialism.

Murdoch is nominally a Gentile, but there is some uncertainty about his ancestry and he has vigorously supported Zionism and other Jewish causes throughout his life. (Historian David Irving has published information from a claimed high-level media source who says that Murdoch's mother, Elisabeth Joy Greene, was Jewish, but we have not been able to confirm this.) Murdoch's number two executive is Peter Chernin, who is president and chief operating officer—and a Jew.
Under Chernin, Jews hold key positions in the company: Gail Berman runs Fox Entertainment Group; Mitchell Stern heads satellite television division DirecTV; Jane Friedman is chairman and CEO of Harper Collins; and Thomas Rothman is chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment. News Corporation also owns the New York Post and TV Guide, and both are published under Chernin's supervision. The primary printed neoconservative journal, The Weekly Standard, is also published by News Corporation and edited by William Kristol, a leading Jewish neocon spokesman and "intellectual."

Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the large media corporations are also controlled by Jews.

For example, Spyglass, an "independent" film producer which has made such films as The Sixth Sense, The Insider, and Shanghai Noon, is controlled by its Jewish founders Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, who are co-chairmen. Jonathan Glickman serves as president and Paul Neinstein is executive vice president. Both men are Jews. Spyglass makes movies exclusively for DreamWorks SKG.

The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks may soon be in the same league as the big four.

One major studio, Columbia Pictures, is owned by the Japanese multinational firm Sony. Nevertheless, the studio's chairman is Jewess Amy Pascal, and its output fully reflects the Jewish social agenda. Sony's music division recently merged with European music giant BMG to form Sony BMG Music Entertainment, now one of the world's largest music distributors. It is headed by CEO Andrew Lack, formerly president and CEO of NBC—and a Jew. Sony's overall American operations are headed by a Jew named Howard Stringer, formerly of CBS, who hired Lack.

It is well known that Jews have controlled most of the production and distribution of films since shortly after the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of the 20th century. When Walt Disney died in 1966, the last barrier to the total Jewish domination of Hollywood was gone, and Jews were able to grab ownership of the company that Walt built. Since then they have had everything their way in the movie industry.

Films produced by seven of the firms mentioned above—Disney, Warner Brothers, Paramount (Viacom), Universal (NBC Universal), 20th Century Fox (News Corp.), DreamWorks, and Columbia (Sony)—accounted for 94% of total box-office receipts for the year 2003.

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson; NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert; and CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch. Over several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other Jewish-dominated media corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.

NBC provides a good example of this. The president of NBC News is Neal Shapiro. Jeff Zucker is NBC Universal Television Group president. Reporting directly to Zucker is his close friend Jonathan Wald, formerly an NBC program producer, now a senior consultant for CNBC. David M. Zaslav is president of NBC Cable (and also a director of digital video firm TiVo Inc.). The president of MSNBC is Rick Kaplan. All of these men are Jews.

A similar preponderance of Jews exists in the news divisions of the other networks. Sumner Redstone, Tom Freston, and Les Moonves control Viacom's CBS. Moonves demonstrated his power in 2002 by replacing the entire staff of the new CBS Early Show. He is also a great-nephew of Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister. Al Ortiz (also a Jew) is executive producer and director of special events coverage for CBS News. Senior executive producer Michael Bass and Victor Neufeld (formerly producer of ABC's 20/20) produce the CBS Early Show; both are Jews.

At ABC, David Westin, who is a Jew according to Jeffrey Blankfort of the Middle East Labor Bulletin, is the president of ABC News. The senior vice president for news at ABC is Paul Slavin, also a Jew. Bernard Gershon, a Jew, is senior vice president/general manager of the ABC News Digital Media Group, in charge of ABCNEWS.com, ABC News Productions, and ABC News Video Source.

The Print Media
After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. About 58 million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,456 different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against minority control and distortion. Alas, such is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of majority interests than a casual observer would think.

In 1945, four out of five American newspapers were independently owned and published by local people with close ties to their communities. Those days, however, are gone. Most of the independent newspapers were bought out or driven out of business by the mid-1970s. Today most "local" newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Today less than 20 percent of the country's 1,456 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only 103 of the total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and international news.

The Associated Press (AP), which sells content to newspapers, is currently under the control of its Jewish vice president and managing editor, Michael Silverman, who directs the day-to-day news reporting and supervises the editorial departments. Silverman had directed the AP's national news as assistant managing editor, beginning in 1989. Jewess Ann Levin is AP's national news editor. Silverman and Levin are under Jonathan Wolman, also a Jew, who was promoted to senior vice president of AP in November 2002.

In only two per cent of the cities in America is there more than one daily newspaper, and competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and afternoon editions under the same ownership or under joint operating agreements.
Much of the competition has disappeared through the monopolistic tactics of the Jewish Newhouse family's holding company, Advance Publications. Advance publications buys one of two competing newspapers, and then starts an advertising war by slashing advertising rates, which drives both papers to the edge of bankruptcy. Advance Publications then steps in and buys the competing newspaper. Often both papers continue: one as a morning paper and the other as an evening paper. Eventually, though, one of the papers is closed—giving the Newhouse brothers the only daily newspaper in that city. For example, in 2001 the Newhouses closed the Syracuse Herald-Journal leaving their other Syracuse newspaper, the Post-Journal, with a monopoly.

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers: it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 31 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of television stations and cable operations; the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 35 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including The New Yorker, Vogue, Wired, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly-owned Conde Nast group. The staffing of the magazines is, as you might expect, quite Kosher. Parade can serve as an example: Its publisher is Randy Siegel, its editor and senior vice president is Lee Kravitz, its creative director is Ira Yoffe, its science editor is David H. Levy, and its health editor is Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld.

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at the age of 84, he bequeathed media holdings worth an estimated $1.3 billion to his two sons, Samuel and Donald. With a number of further acquisitions, the net worth of Advance Publications has grown to more than $9 billion today. The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was facilitated by newspapers' revenue structure. Newspapers, to a large degree, are not supported by their subscribers but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue—not the small change collected from a newspaper's readers—that largely pays the editor's salary and yields the owner's profit. Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning of the last century, when Jewish mercantile power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers—to some extent a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants.

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the tune.



Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three, dominating America's financial and political capitals, are the newspapers that set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all the others. They are the ones that decide what is news and what isn't at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands.

The New York Times, with a 2003 circulation of 1,119,000, is the unofficial social, fashion, entertainment, political, and cultural guide of the nation. It tells America's "smart set" which books to buy and which films to see; which opinions are in style at the moment; which politicians, educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and businessmen are the real comers. And for a few decades in the 19th century it was a genuinely American newspaper.

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry J. Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-great-grandson, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and the chairman of the New York Times Co. Russell T. Lewis, also a Jew, is president and chief executive officer of The New York Times Company. Michael Golden, another Jew, is vice chairman. Martin Nisenholtz, a Jew, runs their massive Internet operations.

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other newspapers, including the Boston Globe, purchased in June 1993 for $1.1 billion; eight TV and two radio broadcasting stations; and more than 40 news-oriented Web operations. It also publishes the International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English-language daily in the world. The New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.


Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington, has an inside track on news involving the Federal government.

The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John R. McLean, and later inherited by Edward B. McLean. In June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier and former partner of the infamous Bernard Baruch, a Jew who was industry czar in America during the First World War. The Washington Post was run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer's daughter, until her death in 2001. She was the principal stockholder and board chairman of the Washington Post Company; and she appointed her son, Donald Graham, publisher of the paper in 1979. Donald became Washington Post Company CEO in 1991 and its board chairman in 1993, and the chain of Jewish control at the Post remains unbroken. The newspaper has a daily circulation of 732,000, and its Sunday edition sells over one million copies.

The Washington Post Company has a number of other media holdings in newspapers (the Gazette Newspapers, including 11 military publications); in television (WDIV in Detroit, KPRC in Houston, WPLG in Miami, WKMG in Orlando, KSAT in San Antonio, WJXT in Jacksonville); and in magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

The Washington Post Company's various television ventures reach a total of about 12 million homes, and its cable TV service, Cable One, has 750,000 subscribers.

The Wall Street Journal sells 1,820,000 copies each weekday and is owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation that also publishes 33 other newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid Barron's. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall Street Journal.

Most of New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. In January 1993 the New York Daily News (circulation 729,000) was bought from the estate of the late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch) by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. Another Jew, Les Goodstein, is the president and chief operating officer of the New York Daily News. And, as mentioned above, the neocon-slanted New York Post (circulation 652,000) is owned by News Corporation under the supervision of Jew Peter Chernin.


News Magazines

The story is much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report.

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the news media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. The editor-in-chief of Time Warner Communication is Norman Pearlstine, a Jew.

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jew Donald Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.2 million.

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.0 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the nation.

Our Responsibility

Those are the facts of media control in America. Anyone willing to spend a few hours in a large library looking into current editions of yearbooks on the radio and television industries and into directories of newspapers and magazines; into registers of corporations and their officers, such as those published by Standard and Poors and by Dun and Bradstreet; and into standard biographical reference works can verify their accuracy. They are undeniable. When confronted with these facts, Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce triumphantly, as if that settled the issue. If pressed further they will accuse the confronter of "anti-Semitism" for even raising the subject. It is fear of this accusation that keeps many persons who know the facts silent.

But we must not remain silent on this most important of issues. The Jewish control of the American mass media is the single most important fact of life, not just in America, but in the whole world today. There is nothing—plague, famine, economic collapse, even nuclear war—more dangerous to the future of our people.

Jewish media control determines the foreign policy of the United States and permits Jewish interests rather than American interests to decide questions of war and peace. Without Jewish media control, there would have been no Persian Gulf war, for example. There would have been no NATO massacre of Serb civilians. There would have been no Iraq War, and thousands of lives would have been saved. There would have been little, if any, American support for the Zionist state of Israel, and the hatreds, feuds, and terror of the Middle East would never have been brought to our shores.

By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media we are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children, whose attitudes and ideas are shaped more by Jewish television and Jewish films than by parents, schools, or any other influence.

The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken the lead in persuading a whole generation that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable way of life; that there is nothing at all wrong with White women dating or marrying Black men, or with White men marrying Asian women; that all races are inherently equal in ability and character—except that the character of the White race is suspect because of a history of oppressing other races; and that any effort by Whites at racial self-preservation is reprehensible.

We must oppose the further spreading of this poison among our people, and we must break the power of those who are spreading it. It would be intolerable for such power to be in the hands of any alien minority with values and interests different from our own. But to permit the Jews, with their 3,000-year history of nation-wrecking, from ancient Egypt to Russia, to hold such power over us is tantamount to race suicide. Indeed, the fact that so many White Americans today are so filled with a sense of racial guilt and self-hatred that they actively seek the death of their own race is a deliberate consequence of Jewish media control.

If not the Jews, then what is the problem?


90 YEARS - A SHORT STORY

This is the story of three children: Buffy, Jeffrey, and Wang.


You've portrayed Buffy's family as of average intelligence, selfish, debauched, fun seeking materialists, very contemporary. Buffy's parents are probably dysfunctional because as infants, their parents would applaud loudly when they defecated into a potty, this causes a sense of disappointment following evacuation in later life and the materialist is unaware of the cause as it is rooted in the deep unconcious. I propose a remedy for materialism and associated dysfunction: The most accute cases should be given the opportunity of sitting on a specially made adult size potty, situated in the middle of a football pitch during a break in play, microphones rigged around the bowl should be fed into the P.A. system so that the crowd can roar with appreciation on cue. White bimbos such as Buffy may even become almost as nice people as Wang the superior chinaman.

Poor Jeff, no wonder he becomes such a nihilist.

Since the 60ies white parents have been taught all kinds of warn and fuzzy ideas about childrearing, the most damaging, misused and abused idea must be that itz all about LUV, LUV with out discipline is child abuse and is destructive for a society, that is why many kikes don't follow that concept.

I don't believe that the jews have the ability to survive their own social poisons with out themselves being damaged, it is the rare kike family that doesn't have a TV, young kikelings are subjected to many, if not most, of the temptations offered by big joo. In the day of ubiquitous electronic media it will be very difficult for a jew family to keep its spawn on the right track (the track to success that is), getting rid of their TV will not be enough, today you can watch TV on the internet, on cell phones, on iPods, hell, soon calculators will offer video; today the jew spawn can hide hours and hours of hip hop videos, or eskimo on nigger anal porn on a tiny, easily hidden chip not much larger than a quarter, not to mention the work arounds available for the internet.

lets deal with some facts instead of hypothetical stories

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THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment.

Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated.

The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to think about that image. Essentially everything we know—or think we know—about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our television.

It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of history-distorting TV "docudramas" that characterizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the entertainment that they present to us.

For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized and which are played down; the reporter's choice of words, tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustrations—all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear.

On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way.

Molding American Minds

For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and socially sought after by other characters, as will a "take charge" Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual, or a poor but honest and hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist—that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America—is portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun nut," in fact, has become a familiar stereotype on TV shows.

The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an unhealthy portion, distinguishes between these fictional situations and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the televised actions, statements, and attitudes of TV actors much as he does to his own peers in real life. For all too many Americans the real world has been replaced by the false reality of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to conform responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom he is writing, and disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions of viewers toward conformity with his own views.

And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news, whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form of thought control is that even when we realize that entertainment or news is biased, the media masters still are able to manipulate most of us. This is because they not only slant what they present, but also they establish tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion.

As an example, consider the media treatment of Middle East news. Some editors or commentators are slavishly pro-Israel in their every utterance, while others seem nearly neutral. No one, however, dares suggest that the U.S. government is backing the wrong side in the Arab-Jewish conflict, or that 9-11 was a result of that support. Nor does anyone dare suggest that it served Jewish interests, rather than American interests, to send U.S. forces to cripple Iraq, Israel's principal rival in the Middle East. Thus, a spectrum of permissible opinion, from pro-Israel to nearly neutral, is established.

Another example is the media treatment of racial issues in the United States. Some commentators seem almost dispassionate in reporting news of racial strife, while others are emotionally partisan—with the partisanship always on the non-White side. All of the media spokesmen without exception, however, take the position that "multiculturalism" and racial mixing are here to stay and that they are good things.

Because there are differences in degree, however, most Americans fail to realize that they are being manipulated. Even the citizen who complains about "managed news" falls into the trap of thinking that because he is presented with an apparent spectrum of opinion he can escape the thought controllers' influence by believing the editor or commentator of his choice. It's a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation. Every point on the permissible spectrum of public opinion is acceptable to the media masters—and no impermissible fact or viewpoint is allowed any exposure at all, if they can prevent it.

The control of the opinion-molding media is nearly monolithic. All of the controlled media—television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books, motion pictures—speak with a single voice, each reinforcing the other. Despite the appearance of variety, there is no real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the great mass of people that might allow them to form opinions at odds with those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the world—a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a "pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous, White one. It is a view of the world designed by the media masters to suit their own ends—and the pressure to conform to that view is overwhelming. People adapt their opinions to it, vote in accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it.

And who are these all-powerful masters of the media? As we shall see, to a very large extent they are Jews. It isn't simply a matter of the media being controlled by profit-hungry capitalists, some of whom happen to be Jews. If that were the case, the ethnicity of the media masters would reflect, at least approximately, the ratio of rich Gentiles to rich Jews. Despite a few prominent exceptions, the preponderance of Jews in the media is so overwhelming that we are obliged to assume that it is due to more than mere happenstance.


Electronic News & Entertainment Media

Continuing government deregulation of the telecommunications industry has resulted, not in the touted increase of competition, but rather in an accelerating wave of corporate mergers and acquisitions that have produced a handful of multi-billion-dollar media conglomerates. The largest of these conglomerates are rapidly growing even bigger by consuming their competition, almost tripling in size during the 1990s. Whenever you watch television, whether from a local broadcasting station or via cable or a satellite dish; whenever you see a feature film in a theater or at home; whenever you listen to the radio or to recorded music; whenever you read a newspaper, book, or magazine—it is very likely that the information or entertainment you receive was produced and/or distributed by one of these megamedia companies:

Time Warner. The largest media conglomerate today is Time Warner (briefly called AOL-Time Warner; the AOL was dropped from the name when accounting practices at the AOL division were questioned by government investigators), which reached its current form when America Online bought Time Warner for $160 billion in 2000. The combined company had revenue of $39.5 billion in 2003. The merger brought together Steve Case, a Gentile, as chairman of AOL-Time Warner, and Gerald Levin, a Jew, as the CEO. Warner, founded by the Jewish Warner brothers in the early part of the last century, rapidly became part of the Jewish power base in Hollywood, a fact so well-known that it is openly admitted by Jewish authors, as is the fact that each new media acquisition becomes dominated by Jews in turn: Speaking of the initial merger of Time, Inc. with Warner, Jewish writer Michael Wolff said in New York magazine in 2001 "since Time Inc.'s merger with Warner ten years ago, one of the interesting transitions is that it has become a Jewish company." ("From AOL to W," New York magazine, January 29, 2001)

The third most powerful man at AOL-Time Warner, at least on paper, was Vice Chairman Ted Turner, a White Gentile. Turner had traded his Turner Broadcasting System, which included CNN, to Time Warner in 1996 for a large block of Time Warner shares. By April 2001 Levin had effectively fired Ted Turner, eliminating him from any real power. However, Turner remained a very large and outspoken shareholder and member of the board of directors.

Levin overplayed his hand, and in a May 2002 showdown, he was fired by the company's board. For Ted Turner, who had lost $7 billion of his $9 billion due to Levin's mismanagement, it was small solace. Turner remains an outsider with no control over the inner workings of the company. Also under pressure, Steve Case resigned effective in May 2003. The board replaced both Levin and Case with a Black, Richard Parsons. Behind Parsons the Jewish influence and power remains dominant.


AOL is the largest Internet service provider in the world, with 34 million U.S. subscribers. It is now being used as an online platform for the Jewish content from Time Warner. Jodi Kahn and Meg Siesfeld, both Jews, lead the Time Inc. Interactive team under executive editor Ned Desmond, a White Gentile. All three report to Time Inc. editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. Their job is to transfer Time Warner's content to target specific segments of America Online's audience, especially women, children, and teens.

Time Warner was already the second largest of the international media leviathans when it merged with AOL. Time Warner's subsidiary HBO (26 million subscribers) is the nation's largest pay-TV cable network. HBO's "competitor" Cinemax is another of Time Warner's many cable ventures.

Until the purchase in May 1998 of PolyGram by Jewish billionaire Edgar Bronfman, Jr., Warner Music was America's largest record company, with 50 labels. Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap." Through its involvement with Interscope Records (prior to Interscope's acquisition by another Jewish-owned media firm), it helped to popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites. Bronfman purchased Warner Music in 2004, keeping it solidly in Jewish hands.

In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio, Castle Rock Entertainment, and New Line Cinema). Time Warner's publishing division is managed by its editor-in-chief, Norman Pearlstine, a Jew. He controls 50 magazines including Time, Life, Sports Illustrated, and People. Book publishing ventures include Time-Life Books, Book-of-the-Month Club, Little Brown, and many others. Time Warner also owns Shoutcast and Winamp, the very tools that most independent Internet radio broadcasters rely on, and, as a dominant player in the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), was essentially "negotiating" with itself when Internet radio music royalty rules were set that strongly favored large content providers and forced many small broadcasters into silence. (The Register, "AOL Time Warner takes grip of net radio," 8th April 2003)

Ted Turner's Lesson: "Be very careful with whom you merge."

When Ted Turner, the Gentile media maverick, made a bid to buy CBS in 1985, there was panic in the media boardrooms across the country. Turner had made a fortune in advertising and then built a successful cable-TV news network, CNN, with over 70 million subscribers.

Although Turner had never taken a stand contrary to Jewish interests, he was regarded by William Paley and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for Jews.

To block Turner's bid, CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a "friendly" takeover of CBS. From 1986 to 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. Subsequent efforts by Ted Turner to acquire CBS were obstructed by Gerald Levin's Time Warner, which owned nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and had veto power over major deals. But when his fellow Jew Sumner Redstone offered to buy CBS for $34.8 billion in 1999, Levin had no objections.

Thus, despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner never commanded the "connections" necessary for being a media master. He finally decided if you can't lick 'em, join 'em, and he sold out to Levin's Time Warner. Ted Turner summed it up:



"I've had an incredible life for the most part. I made a lot of smart moves, and I made a lot of money. Then something happened, and I merged with Time Warner, which looked like the right thing to do at the time. And it was good for shareholders.

"But then I lost control. I thought I would have enough moral authority to have all the influence in the new company. If you go into business, be very careful with whom you merge.

"I thought I was buying Time Warner, but they were buying me. We had kind of a difference in viewpoint. Then they merged with AOL, and that was a complete disaster, at least so far. I have lost 85 percent of my wealth."

Disney. The second-largest media conglomerate today, with 2003 revenues of $27.1 billion, is the Walt Disney Company. Its leading personality and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew.

The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as a "control freak," includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television) and cable networks with more than 100 million subscribers altogether. As for feature films, the Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group includes Walt Disney Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Jewish Weinstein brothers, Bob and Harvey, who have produced such ultra-raunchy movies as The Crying Game, Priest, and Kids.

When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, the company under Eisner has expanded into the production of a great deal of so-called "adult" material.

In August 1995, Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., which owns the ABC television network, which in turn owns ten TV stations outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Houston. In addition, in the United States ABC has 225 affiliated TV stations, over 2,900 affiliated radio stations and produces over 7,200 radio programs. ABC owns 54 radio stations and operates 57 radio stations, many in major cities such as New York, Washington, and Los Angeles. Radio Disney, part of ABC Radio Networks, provides programming targeting children.

Sports network ESPN, an ABC cable subsidiary, is headed by President and CEO George W. Bodenheimer, who is a Jew. The corporation also controls the Disney Channel, Toon Disney, A&E, Lifetime Television, SOAPnet and the History Channel, with between 86 and 88 million subscribers each. The ABC Family television network has 84 million subscribers and, in addition to broadcasting entertainment (some of it quite raunchy for a "family" channel), is also the network outlet for Christian Zionist TV evangelist Pat Robertson.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, ABC/Disney earns over $1 billion in publishing, owning Walt Disney Company Book Publishing, Hyperion Books, and Miramax Books. It also owns six daily newspapers and publishes over 20 magazines. Disney Publishing Worldwide publishes books and magazines in 55 languages in 74 countries, reaching more than 100 million readers each month

On the Internet, Disney runs Buena Vista Internet Group, ABC Internet Group, ABC.com, ABCNEWS.com, Oscar.com, Mr. Showbiz, Disney Online, Disney's Daily Blast, Disney.com, Family.com, ESPN Internet Group, ESPN.sportzone.com, Soccernet.com, NFL.com, NBA.com, Infoseek (partial ownership), and Disney Interactive.

Viacom. Number three on the list, with 2003 revenues of just over $26.5 billion, is Viacom, Inc., headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), a Jew. Melvin A. Karmazin, another Jew, was number two at Viacom until June 2004, holding the positions of president and chief operating officer. Karmazin remains a large Viacom shareholder. Replacing Karmazin as co-presidents and co-COOs are a Jew, Leslie Moonves, and Tom Freston, a possible Jew. (We have been unable to confirm Freston's Jewish ancestry; he has done work for Jewish organizations and was involved in the garment trade, a heavily Jewish industry, importing clothing from the Third World to the U.S. in the 1970s.)

Viacom produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 39 television stations outright with another 200 affiliates in its wholly-owned CBS Television Network, owns 185 radio stations in its Infinity radio group, and has over 1,500 affiliated stations through its CBS Radio Network. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing (born Sherry Lee Heimann), who is planning to retire at the end of 2005.

Viacom was formed in 1971 as a way to dodge an anti-monopoly FCC ruling that required CBS to spin off a part of its cable TV operations and syndicated programming business. This move by the government unfortunately did nothing to reduce the mostly Jewish collaborative monopoly that remains the major problem with the industry. In 1999, after CBS had again augmented itself by buying King World Productions (a leading TV program syndicator), Viacom acquired its progenitor company, CBS, in a double mockery of the spirit of the 1971 ruling.

Redstone acquired CBS following the December 1999 stockholders' votes at CBS and Viacom. CBS Television has long been headed by the previously mentioned Leslie Moonves; the other Viacom co-president, Tom Freston, headed wholly-owned MTV.

Viacom also owns the Country Music Television and The Nashville Network cable channels and is the largest outdoor advertising (billboards, etc.) entity in the U.S. Viacom's publishing division includes Simon & Schuster, Scribner, The Free Press, Fireside, and Archway Paperbacks. It distributes videos through its over 8,000 Blockbuster stores. It is also involved in satellite broadcasting, theme parks, and video games.

Viacom's chief claim to fame, however, is as the world's largest provider of cable programming through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, Black Entertainment Television, and other networks. Since 1989 MTV and Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the juvenile television audience. MTV dominates the television market for viewers between the ages of 12 and 24.

Sumner Redstone owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom. He offers Jackass as a teen role model and pumps MTV's racially mixed rock and rap videos into 342 million homes in 140 countries and is a dominant cultural influence on White teenagers around the world. MTV also makes race-mixing movies like Save the Last Dance.

Nickelodeon, with over 87 million subscribers, has by far the largest share of the four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and is expanding rapidly into Europe. Most of its shows do not yet display the blatant degeneracy that is MTV's trademark, but Redstone is gradually nudging the fare presented to his kiddie viewers toward the same poison purveyed by MTV. Nickelodeon continues a 12-year streak as the top cable network for children and younger teenagers.

NBC Universal. Another Jewish media mogul is Edgar Bronfman, Jr. He headed Seagram Company, Ltd., the liquor giant, until its recent merger with Vivendi. His father, Edgar Bronfman, Sr., is president of the World Jewish Congress.

Seagram owned Universal Studios and later purchased Interscope Records, the foremost promoter of "gangsta rap," from Warner. Universal and Interscope now belong to Vivendi Universal, which merged with NBC in May 2004, with the parent company now called NBC Universal.

Bronfman became the biggest man in the record business in May 1998 when he also acquired control of PolyGram, the European record giant, by paying $10.6 billion to the Dutch electronics manufacturer Philips.

In June 2000, the Bronfman family traded Seagram to Vivendi for stock in Vivendi, and Edgar, Jr. became vice chairman of Vivendi. Vivendi was originally a French utilities company, and was then led by Gentile Jean-Marie Messier. A board of directors faction led by Bronfman forced Messier to resign in July 2002.

Vivendi also acquired bisexual Jew Barry Diller's USA Networks in 2002. (Diller is the owner of InterActive Corporation, which owns Expedia, Ticketmaster, The Home Shopping Network, Lending Tree, Hotels.com, CitySearch, Evite, Match.com, and other Internet businesses.) Vivendi combined the USA Network, Universal Studios, Universal Television, and theme parks into Vivendi Universal Entertainment (VUE).

After the Vivendi-NBC merger, Bronfman used his considerable personal profits to strike out on his own, and recently purchased Warner Music from Jewish-dominated Time Warner. The current chairman of NBC Universal is a Gentile often associated with Jewish causes, long-time NBC employee Bob Wright. Ron Meyer, a Jew, is president and chief operating officer of Universal Studios. Stacey Snider, also Jewish, is the chairman of Universal Pictures. The president of NBC Universal Television Group is Jeff Zucker, another Jew.

With two of the top four media conglomerates in the hands of Jews (Disney and Viacom), with Jewish executives running the media operations of NBC Universal, and with Jews filling a large proportion of the executive jobs at Time Warner, it is unlikely that such an overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate, concerted effort on the Jews' part.
Other media companies: Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation owns Fox Television Network, Fox News, the FX Channel, 20th Century Fox Films, Fox 2000, and publisher Harper Collins. News Corp. is the fifth largest megamedia corporation in the nation, with 2003 revenues of approximately $19.2 billion. It is the only other media company which comes close to the top four.

Its Fox News Channel has been a key outlet pushing the Jewish neoconservative agenda that lies behind the Iraq War and which animates both the administration of George W. Bush and the "new conservatism" that embraces aggressive Zionism and multiracialism.

Murdoch is nominally a Gentile, but there is some uncertainty about his ancestry and he has vigorously supported Zionism and other Jewish causes throughout his life. (Historian David Irving has published information from a claimed high-level media source who says that Murdoch's mother, Elisabeth Joy Greene, was Jewish, but we have not been able to confirm this.) Murdoch's number two executive is Peter Chernin, who is president and chief operating officer—and a Jew.
Under Chernin, Jews hold key positions in the company: Gail Berman runs Fox Entertainment Group; Mitchell Stern heads satellite television division DirecTV; Jane Friedman is chairman and CEO of Harper Collins; and Thomas Rothman is chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment. News Corporation also owns the New York Post and TV Guide, and both are published under Chernin's supervision. The primary printed neoconservative journal, The Weekly Standard, is also published by News Corporation and edited by William Kristol, a leading Jewish neocon spokesman and "intellectual."

Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the large media corporations are also controlled by Jews.

For example, Spyglass, an "independent" film producer which has made such films as The Sixth Sense, The Insider, and Shanghai Noon, is controlled by its Jewish founders Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum, who are co-chairmen. Jonathan Glickman serves as president and Paul Neinstein is executive vice president. Both men are Jews. Spyglass makes movies exclusively for DreamWorks SKG.

The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks may soon be in the same league as the big four.

One major studio, Columbia Pictures, is owned by the Japanese multinational firm Sony. Nevertheless, the studio's chairman is Jewess Amy Pascal, and its output fully reflects the Jewish social agenda. Sony's music division recently merged with European music giant BMG to form Sony BMG Music Entertainment, now one of the world's largest music distributors. It is headed by CEO Andrew Lack, formerly president and CEO of NBC—and a Jew. Sony's overall American operations are headed by a Jew named Howard Stringer, formerly of CBS, who hired Lack.

It is well known that Jews have controlled most of the production and distribution of films since shortly after the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of the 20th century. When Walt Disney died in 1966, the last barrier to the total Jewish domination of Hollywood was gone, and Jews were able to grab ownership of the company that Walt built. Since then they have had everything their way in the movie industry.

Films produced by seven of the firms mentioned above—Disney, Warner Brothers, Paramount (Viacom), Universal (NBC Universal), 20th Century Fox (News Corp.), DreamWorks, and Columbia (Sony)—accounted for 94% of total box-office receipts for the year 2003.

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson; NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert; and CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch. Over several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other Jewish-dominated media corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.

NBC provides a good example of this. The president of NBC News is Neal Shapiro. Jeff Zucker is NBC Universal Television Group president. Reporting directly to Zucker is his close friend Jonathan Wald, formerly an NBC program producer, now a senior consultant for CNBC. David M. Zaslav is president of NBC Cable (and also a director of digital video firm TiVo Inc.). The president of MSNBC is Rick Kaplan. All of these men are Jews.

A similar preponderance of Jews exists in the news divisions of the other networks. Sumner Redstone, Tom Freston, and Les Moonves control Viacom's CBS. Moonves demonstrated his power in 2002 by replacing the entire staff of the new CBS Early Show. He is also a great-nephew of Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister. Al Ortiz (also a Jew) is executive producer and director of special events coverage for CBS News. Senior executive producer Michael Bass and Victor Neufeld (formerly producer of ABC's 20/20) produce the CBS Early Show; both are Jews.

At ABC, David Westin, who is a Jew according to Jeffrey Blankfort of the Middle East Labor Bulletin, is the president of ABC News. The senior vice president for news at ABC is Paul Slavin, also a Jew. Bernard Gershon, a Jew, is senior vice president/general manager of the ABC News Digital Media Group, in charge of ABCNEWS.com, ABC News Productions, and ABC News Video Source.

The Print Media
After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. About 58 million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,456 different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against minority control and distortion. Alas, such is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of majority interests than a casual observer would think.

In 1945, four out of five American newspapers were independently owned and published by local people with close ties to their communities. Those days, however, are gone. Most of the independent newspapers were bought out or driven out of business by the mid-1970s. Today most "local" newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Today less than 20 percent of the country's 1,456 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only 103 of the total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest must depend on these few for all of their national and international news.

The Associated Press (AP), which sells content to newspapers, is currently under the control of its Jewish vice president and managing editor, Michael Silverman, who directs the day-to-day news reporting and supervises the editorial departments. Silverman had directed the AP's national news as assistant managing editor, beginning in 1989. Jewess Ann Levin is AP's national news editor. Silverman and Levin are under Jonathan Wolman, also a Jew, who was promoted to senior vice president of AP in November 2002.

In only two per cent of the cities in America is there more than one daily newspaper, and competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and afternoon editions under the same ownership or under joint operating agreements.
Much of the competition has disappeared through the monopolistic tactics of the Jewish Newhouse family's holding company, Advance Publications. Advance publications buys one of two competing newspapers, and then starts an advertising war by slashing advertising rates, which drives both papers to the edge of bankruptcy. Advance Publications then steps in and buys the competing newspaper. Often both papers continue: one as a morning paper and the other as an evening paper. Eventually, though, one of the papers is closed—giving the Newhouse brothers the only daily newspaper in that city. For example, in 2001 the Newhouses closed the Syracuse Herald-Journal leaving their other Syracuse newspaper, the Post-Journal, with a monopoly.

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers: it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 31 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of television stations and cable operations; the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 35 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including The New Yorker, Vogue, Wired, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly-owned Conde Nast group. The staffing of the magazines is, as you might expect, quite Kosher. Parade can serve as an example: Its publisher is Randy Siegel, its editor and senior vice president is Lee Kravitz, its creative director is Ira Yoffe, its science editor is David H. Levy, and its health editor is Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld.

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at the age of 84, he bequeathed media holdings worth an estimated $1.3 billion to his two sons, Samuel and Donald. With a number of further acquisitions, the net worth of Advance Publications has grown to more than $9 billion today. The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was facilitated by newspapers' revenue structure. Newspapers, to a large degree, are not supported by their subscribers but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue—not the small change collected from a newspaper's readers—that largely pays the editor's salary and yields the owner's profit. Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning of the last century, when Jewish mercantile power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers—to some extent a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants.

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the tune.



Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three, dominating America's financial and political capitals, are the newspapers that set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all the others. They are the ones that decide what is news and what isn't at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands.

The New York Times, with a 2003 circulation of 1,119,000, is the unofficial social, fashion, entertainment, political, and cultural guide of the nation. It tells America's "smart set" which books to buy and which films to see; which opinions are in style at the moment; which politicians, educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and businessmen are the real comers. And for a few decades in the 19th century it was a genuinely American newspaper.

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry J. Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-great-grandson, Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and the chairman of the New York Times Co. Russell T. Lewis, also a Jew, is president and chief executive officer of The New York Times Company. Michael Golden, another Jew, is vice chairman. Martin Nisenholtz, a Jew, runs their massive Internet operations.

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other newspapers, including the Boston Globe, purchased in June 1993 for $1.1 billion; eight TV and two radio broadcasting stations; and more than 40 news-oriented Web operations. It also publishes the International Herald Tribune, the most widely distributed English-language daily in the world. The New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines.


Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington, has an inside track on news involving the Federal government.

The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John R. McLean, and later inherited by Edward B. McLean. In June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier and former partner of the infamous Bernard Baruch, a Jew who was industry czar in America during the First World War. The Washington Post was run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer's daughter, until her death in 2001. She was the principal stockholder and board chairman of the Washington Post Company; and she appointed her son, Donald Graham, publisher of the paper in 1979. Donald became Washington Post Company CEO in 1991 and its board chairman in 1993, and the chain of Jewish control at the Post remains unbroken. The newspaper has a daily circulation of 732,000, and its Sunday edition sells over one million copies.

The Washington Post Company has a number of other media holdings in newspapers (the Gazette Newspapers, including 11 military publications); in television (WDIV in Detroit, KPRC in Houston, WPLG in Miami, WKMG in Orlando, KSAT in San Antonio, WJXT in Jacksonville); and in magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek.

The Washington Post Company's various television ventures reach a total of about 12 million homes, and its cable TV service, Cable One, has 750,000 subscribers.

The Wall Street Journal sells 1,820,000 copies each weekday and is owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation that also publishes 33 other newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid Barron's. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall Street Journal.

Most of New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. In January 1993 the New York Daily News (circulation 729,000) was bought from the estate of the late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born Ludvik Hoch) by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. Another Jew, Les Goodstein, is the president and chief operating officer of the New York Daily News. And, as mentioned above, the neocon-slanted New York Post (circulation 652,000) is owned by News Corporation under the supervision of Jew Peter Chernin.


News Magazines

The story is much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, films, music, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any importance published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report.

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the news media conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time, Inc., with Warner Communications. The editor-in-chief of Time Warner Communication is Norman Pearlstine, a Jew.

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jew Donald Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.2 million.

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.0 million, is owned and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the nation.

Our Responsibility

Those are the facts of media control in America. Anyone willing to spend a few hours in a large library looking into current editions of yearbooks on the radio and television industries and into directories of newspapers and magazines; into registers of corporations and their officers, such as those published by Standard and Poors and by Dun and Bradstreet; and into standard biographical reference works can verify their accuracy. They are undeniable. When confronted with these facts, Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce triumphantly, as if that settled the issue. If pressed further they will accuse the confronter of "anti-Semitism" for even raising the subject. It is fear of this accusation that keeps many persons who know the facts silent.

But we must not remain silent on this most important of issues. The Jewish control of the American mass media is the single most important fact of life, not just in America, but in the whole world today. There is nothing—plague, famine, economic collapse, even nuclear war—more dangerous to the future of our people.

Jewish media control determines the foreign policy of the United States and permits Jewish interests rather than American interests to decide questions of war and peace. Without Jewish media control, there would have been no Persian Gulf war, for example. There would have been no NATO massacre of Serb civilians. There would have been no Iraq War, and thousands of lives would have been saved. There would have been little, if any, American support for the Zionist state of Israel, and the hatreds, feuds, and terror of the Middle East would never have been brought to our shores.

By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media we are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children, whose attitudes and ideas are shaped more by Jewish television and Jewish films than by parents, schools, or any other influence.

The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken the lead in persuading a whole generation that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable way of life; that there is nothing at all wrong with White women dating or marrying Black men, or with White men marrying Asian women; that all races are inherently equal in ability and character—except that the character of the White race is suspect because of a history of oppressing other races; and that any effort by Whites at racial self-preservation is reprehensible.

We must oppose the further spreading of this poison among our people, and we must break the power of those who are spreading it. It would be intolerable for such power to be in the hands of any alien minority with values and interests different from our own. But to permit the Jews, with their 3,000-year history of nation-wrecking, from ancient Egypt to Russia, to hold such power over us is tantamount to race suicide. Indeed, the fact that so many White Americans today are so filled with a sense of racial guilt and self-hatred that they actively seek the death of their own race is a deliberate consequence of Jewish media control.

I thank you for posting this. I hope Joe Diaz will read it carefully.

90 YEARS - A SHORT STORY
Who originally wrote this story?

Who originally wrote this story?

Probably some Liberal scum by the looks of it.

Probably some Liberal scum by the looks of it.

I tried a quick search but couldn't find it, but it looks vaguely familiar, looks like a bastardization of similar "black-awareness" pieces.

it may not be, but it's very similar to those sorts of writings.

Who originally wrote this story?



I wrote it . . . I had two hours to kill after lunch and thought it might help nudge some of VNN's not-so-psycho readers to the conclusion that the problem isn't the Jews . . . it's us.

Who originally wrote this story?
Probably some Liberal scum by the looks of it.

I wrote it . . . I had two hours to kill after lunch and thought it might help nudge some of VNN's not-so-psycho readers to the conclusion that the problem isn't the Jews . . . it's us.

that says it all, doesnt it?

jose, if the motto here "is no jews, just right", dont you think you are in the wrong place?

that says it all, doesnt it?

jose, if the motto here "is no jews, just right", dont you think you are in the wrong place?


No, I'm in the Opposition Thread . . . I think the motto here is: "No stupidity, just clear thinking."

No, I'm in the Opposition Thread . . . I think the motto here is: "No stupidity, just clear thinking."

if your "clear thinking" is based on hypothetical stories you could have plagerised from the lifetime channel... i hate to break it to you, but its fiction and basing real life opinions on fiction is delusional

No, I'm in the Opposition Thread . . . I think the motto here is: "No stupidity, just clear thinking."

In which case... don't you think you are in the wrong place?

You did rather walk into that.

Let's face it, your super plan, turned out to be a pile of crap, that you couldn't back up, so you left the thread.

You're great example of jew free problems only managed to unearth jews, and after a brief attempt to twist your way out of that, which failed, you left that thread, and now here's your attempt to win an argument by making up a fictional story, to support your views, and that hasn't stood up to well either has it?

You think maybe it's not everyone else that is wrong, and that it might be you?

I mean, not to be over simplistic, but if I went into a math class today, and there was three questions, 2 + 2, 3 + 1, and 1 + 3, and I answered 5 to each one, and then the math teacher showed me the correct answer was 4, every time, I'd start to thinking that maybe 4 was the answer, and I was some how wrong with thinking it was 5 every time.

But then that would be no stupidity, just clear thinking...

In all serious Mr Diaz, I don't know what your obsession is with the jews, and I use the word obsession intentionally, as you seem to spend more time obsessing about, and trying to excuse them, than half the members here do trying to name them, and it is a particular fixation you seem to have with that one race only, but whatever the reason for the obsession, let me try and explain all this to you in very, very simple terms.

What is our problem?

Our #1, over riding problem, is that a foreign, and hostile race, has a disproportionate amount of power and influence in our countries, and because they are not the same race as us, that influence is damaging to our country, to our people, and to our culture, and heritage.

It's like a cancer, it eats at our people.

The #2 problem facing us is a by product of the #1 problem, and that problem is that other races are imported, and encouraged to enter our nations, by the same foreign, and hostile, race, that has that disproportionate amount of power and influence in our countries.

These other races further eat away at the fabric of our countries, and cause additional problems for our people, for example increased crime rates.

Why do people allow this problem to continue?

There are two primary reasons why this problem is allowed to continue.

1). Most people are fully against what is happening, but to many people are still not fully aware of the full extent of the problem, and do not realize that there is a foreign, and hostile, race that has the level of power and influence in our countries that they do.

They still believe they live in a country that is completely ruled, and controlled, by their own people.

They still have faith in the system, and believe that, because they believe they still have control, that the solution to the problem can be found through conventional means.

Therefore they continue to prop up the system, and by virtue maintain the problem, rather than dealing with the problem.

2). The second reason that this problem is allowed to remain is that far to many people, both those unaware of the true extent of the hostile 'take over' of our countries, and even many of those who are aware, are either to scared to do anything about it, or have become to dependent upon the 'occupying regime', and therefore are unwilling to engage them.

What is our role?

Our role is to overcome the above reasons, as experienced by our people, that allows the problem, which is, as we saw in step one, was the foreign, and hostile, race to remain in situ.

We do this by educating people to the true nature of the problem, and to the full extent of the problem, alerting them to the fact that we have been left completely outside of the system, and that the system is in effect to far controlled by foreign powers for it to be of any use in correcting our situation, and by removing the fear from our peoples hearts, and recruiting those who can give them the confidence to do something about it, either through education, leadership, or by other means.

What would be the outcome of these actions?

When enough people, of a suitable ability, are alerted to the full extent of our problems, and have the fear removed from their hearts, then there will be revolution.

Will the removal of these foreign and hostile people make everything all right?

Of course not, there will always be assholes, there will always be greedy people, there will always be the perverse, and the corrupt, but at the end of the day they will be OUR assholes, our perverted, and our corrupt people, and most importantly of all we will have self determination again, and the right, and the ability, to deal with OUR trash, in the way that WE want.

Life won't be perfect, but we'll at least be masters of our own fate.

Now you can spend the next hundred years trying to convince everyone here that the jews are a wonderful bunch of people, who are so misrepresented by the evil media, and if only we ignored all the facts we could grow to love them, but none of that would change the fact that they ain't White, and that I am a White man, looking for a White country, ruled by White people, where I have self-determination, and that can't be achieved through compromise.

It's no jews. Just right.


First of all, the only OBSESSION I have is the creation of a white state, in my lifetime. I want it in my lifetime because the sooner the better, because I don't want to dump the responsibility on my children, and frankly, because if we don't act quickly, it may be too late to act at all.

So my AGENDA for the last few days has been to drive home the point that the focus on the Jews . . . as you have outlined above . . . is wrong. It hasn't worked and it won't work.

You are DELUSIONAL if you truly believe this: "We do this by educating people to the true nature of the problem, and to the full extent of the problem, alerting them to the fact that we have been left completely outside of the system, and that the system is in effect to far controlled by foreign powers for it to be of any use in correcting our situation, and by removing the fear from our peoples hearts, and recruiting those who can give them the confidence to do something about it, either through education, leadership, or by other means."

You educate no one with your simplistic anti-Semitic bigotry. People HEAR you . . . they've been listening to your bullshit for 50 years . . . they just don't agree with it and won't agree with it because you haven't proven your case. You can't . . . because it's all bullshit.

And as for "giving them confidence" . . . fuck me . . . am I in the land of the Truly Demented or what? :rofl

Half these people around here think that it's still cool to dress up in bed sheets or go around dressing in Nazi uniforms. They think standing on a street corner yelling KIKE! and NIGGER! . . . all the while surrounded by platoons of nigger cops . . . is going to gain them some sort of political power.

You give no one anything except the idea that you are some kind of a nut to run away from.

In which case... don't you think you are in the wrong place?

You did rather walk into that.

Let's face it, your super plan, turned out to be a pile of crap, that you couldn't back up, so you left the thread.

You're great example of jew free problems only managed to unearth jews, and after a brief attempt to twist your way out of that, which failed, you left that thread, and now here's your attempt to win an argument by making up a fictional story, to support your views, and that hasn't stood up to well either has it?

You think maybe it's not everyone else that is wrong, and that it might be you?

I mean, not to be over simplistic, but if I went into a math class today, and there was three questions, 2 + 2, 3 + 1, and 1 + 3, and I answered 5 to each one, and then the math teacher showed me the correct answer was 4, every time, I'd start to thinking that maybe 4 was the answer, and I was some how wrong with thinking it was 5 every time.

But then that would be no stupidity, just clear thinking...



Not sure what you are referring to with your horsecrap above.

What have I walked away from?

If I haven't answered one of your posts recently, just chill, I'll get to it.

I come here for amusement . . . it's fun slapping you silly goofs around. I just have other things to do at night than play Slap The Nazi.

I will check your responses on all threads carefully tomorrow.

You are DELUSIONAL

I'm delusional?

What does that make you then?

Remember junior, every thread the last few days you've ran away from when you get it wrong.

It's like your stupid comment the other day.

If I'm delusional, when I get it right, what does that make you, when you get it wrong?

Do yourself a favor, think before you try the insults, because you only make yourself look stupid when you don't.


You educate no one with your simplistic anti-Semitic bigotry. People HEAR you . . . they've been listening to your bullshit for 50 years . . .

Blah, blah, blah.

Can you actually say anything without resorting to bullshit and stuff you make up yourself?

I haven't been talking bullshit ever, and certainly not for 50 years.

How the hell could I be talking before I was born?

That was just another moronic comment.

Now leaving aside your stupid, made up, half-witted bullshit, that you peddle, in order to try and defend the jew, for whatever reason you chose to defend them, I don't preach simplistic anti-Semitic bigotry.

Some people do, I don't, I merely comment on what I observe, or learn.

they just don't agree with it and won't agree with it because you haven't proven your case. You can't . . . because it's all bullshit.

Says the man who keeps trying to prove what's said here is bullshit, but fails every time.

If it's such crap, why don't you prove it, why do you keep screwing up every time?


fuck me . . . am I in the land of the Truly Demented or what? :rofl

Yes, you most obviously are, but we're trying to help you get over here instead.

Half these people around here think that it's still cool to dress up in bed sheets or go around dressing in Nazi uniforms.

Again, you just can't help yourself, you have to lie in every single post you make.

There's about 10 people on this site who belong to a uniform wearing organization, and there's been about 2,500 people sign up over the years.

That makes half does it?

No, it just makes you a pathetic bullshitter, who has to lie to try and make his points.

They think standing on a street corner yelling KIKE! and NIGGER! . . . all the while surrounded by platoons of nigger cops . . . is going to gain them some sort of political power.

Again, more fairytales.

You give no one anything except the idea that you are some kind of a nut to run away from.

The only person giving off that impression, in this thread, is you.

You come off as a half witted loser, who needs to bullshit to make his point, and who isn't brave enough to admit when he's wrong, so every time he screws up he runs away from the thread and starts another one, saying virtually the same thing, but reworded to make it appear different.

And your great master plan is to pull billions of dollars, and 5 magic beans out of your ass, blame the white man for everything, tell millions of them you plan to kick them out of their homes, and hope the jew lets you win an election.

Now that really does give off the idea that there is a nut in this thread.

Not sure what you are referring to with your horsecrap above.

What have I walked away from?

If I haven't answered one of your posts recently, just chill, I'll get to it.

I come here for amusement . . . it's fun slapping you silly goofs around. I just have other things to do at night than play Slap The Nazi.

I will check your responses on all threads carefully tomorrow.

there are maybe 6 people here that use the term national socialist (nazi), no one else does, this is a white nationalist forum. you know for someone that has been a white nationalist for the past 30 years (:rofl) you really dont know the first thing about it

Not sure what you are referring to with your horsecrap above.

What have I walked away from?

See, you can't make a post without lying, can you?


I come here for amusement . . . it's fun slapping you silly goofs around.

Yeah, but it's you that gets slapped around every time junior, just remember that, that's why you run away every thread.

I just have other things to do at night than play Slap The Nazi.

Sure, that's right isn't it junior, you don't have the time, because... well you're making new threads all the time, so you do have the time, again, you can't help but bullshit, can you kid?

Oh, and what's this we find a few posts ago?

I wrote it . . . I had two hours to kill

So you don't answer other threads, because you don't have time, but you have two hours to kill, and you spend it sitting on here making a fool of yourself?

Like I told you before, you really shouldn't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you...

there are maybe 6 people here that use the term national socialist (nazi), no one else does, this is a white nationalist forum. you know for someone that has been a white nationalist for the past 30 years (:rofl) you really dont know the first thing about it

His bullshit is getting twisted more and more out of shape with every post he makes. He doesn't seem very adept at "playing games", even though he thinks he's smart enough too.

Now that really does give off the idea that there is a nut in this thread.

he is at best a liberal, and at worst an undercover anti with a very weak story (not referring to the first post in this thread)

lets deal with some facts instead of hypothetical stories

http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/

THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment.

Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated.

The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to think about that image. Essentially everything we know—or think we know—about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our television.

It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of history-distorting TV "docudramas" that characterizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the entertainment that they present to us.

For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized and which are played down; the reporter's choice of words, tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustrations—all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear.

On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way.

Molding American Minds

For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and socially sought after by other characters, as will a "take charge" Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual, or a poor but honest and hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist—that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America—is portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun nut," in fact, has become a familiar stereotype on TV shows.

The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an unhealthy portion, distinguishes between these fictional situations and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the televised actions, statements, and attitudes of TV actors much as he does to his own peers in real life. For all too many Americans the real world has been replaced by the false reality of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to conform responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom he is writing, and disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions of viewers toward conformity with his own views.

And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news, whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form of thought control is that even when we realize that entertainment or news is biased, the media masters still are able to manipulate most of us. This is because they not only slant what they present, but also they establish tacit boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion.

As an example, consider the media treatment of Middle East news. Some editors or commentators are slavishly pro-Israel in their every utterance, while others seem nearly neutral. No one, however, dares suggest that the U.S. government is backing the wrong side in the Arab-Jewish conflict, or that 9-11 was a result of that support. Nor does anyone dare suggest that it served Jewish interests, rather than American interests, to send U.S. forces to cripple Iraq, Israel's principal rival in the Middle East. Thus, a spectrum of permissible opinion, from pro-Israel to nearly neutral, is established.

Another example is the media treatment of racial issues in the United States. Some commentators seem almost dispassionate in reporting news of racial strife, while others are emotionally partisan—with the partisanship always on the non-White side. All of the media spokesmen without exception, however, take the position that "multiculturalism" and racial mixing are here to stay and that they are good things.

Because there are differences in degree, however, most Americans fail to realize that they are being manipulated. Even the citizen who complains about "managed news" falls into the trap of thinking that because he is presented with an apparent spectrum of opinion he can escape the thought controllers' influence by believing the editor or commentator of his choice. It's a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation. Every point on the permissible spectrum of public opinion is acceptable to the media masters—and no impermissible fact or viewpoint is allowed any exposure at all, if they can prevent it.

The control of the opinion-molding media is nearly monolithic. All of the controlled media—television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books, motion pictures—speak with a single voice, each reinforcing the other. Despite the appearance of variety, there is no real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the great mass of people that might allow them to form opinions at odds with those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the world—a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a "pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous, White one. It is a view of the world designed by the media masters to suit their own ends—and the pressure to conform to that view is overwhelming. People adapt their opinions to it, vote in accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it.

And who are these all-powerful masters of the media? As we shall see, to a very large extent they are Jews. It isn't simply a matter of the media being controlled by profit-hungry capitalists, some of whom happen to be Jews. If that were the case, the ethnicity of the media masters would reflect, at least approximately, the ratio of rich Gentiles to rich Jews. Despite a few prominent exceptions, the preponderance of Jews in the media is so overwhelming that we are obliged to assume that it is due to more than mere happenstance.


CILLIAN,

I don't have the time or the patience to address all the misstatements, inconsistencies, simplistic analysis and illogical thinking in this piece.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to the man who wrote it. It is well-written and appears well-researched. I am even willing to stipulate that the latter part . . . where he describes ownership interest . . . is 100% correct even though I don't know that to be true.

But . . . If I were to teach a class on logic next semester, I would hand my students a sheet with a list of the 25 most common logical fallacies . . . and then I would hand them this piece and say, "for homework, your job is to see how many logic errors the author has made."

I'll just pick out a few.

"THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment."

Where do I start? I may need two blowtorches to fully take this apart.

First of all, we don't live in some Orwellian 1984 with telescreens watching our every move. TVs and radios have these things called OFF buttons and Remote Controls. Don't like the show you're watching, switch channels or turn the damn thing off. Millions of parents (and many on VNN) do just that. We have the power to CHOOSE our own poison.

Second, public opinion . . . on what subject? What segment of the population? Yes, blacks are portrayed as super-heroic, hard-working geniuses . . . yet half the jail population is black. How's that message working? Yes, teens are bombarded with messages about safe sex . . . yet 25%-50% have had some form of STD. How's that working?

Third, define control. Do you mean that the owner of CBS single-handedly oversees every second of transmission? Or is he a policy wonk? Or does he hire other policy wonks to set policy? And since when does a policy cause any organization to act in a monolithic manner?


Here's another beauty: "On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way. "

CILLIAN . . . are you starting to see the underlying assumption in this piece . . . the author wants you to believe that the American media speaks ONE message and that the ONE message forms the basis of all we think and know.

Well, that might be true in a Stalinist Totalitarian state or an Orwellian 1984 state . . . but we still retain the ability to think critically.

Yes, 10-15 years ago we were being told that blacks were super-smart, hard working, super cool people. But we know differently today, don't we? The same media that fed us that story then, feeds us a different story now.

The author simply doesn't give people any credit for rational thought.

The media is overwhelmingly Liberal . . . but America remains an overwhelmingly Conservative nation. How is that possible given the author's definition of total media control?


My final point CILLIAN.

I'm not even going to ask your opinion about Jews . . . I'll just assume you toe the VNN party line.

Much of what you attribute to the Jews has nothing to do with Jews . . . but everything to do with socialism, cultural Marxism, the New Left, the New Progressive Movement and Identity Politics.

And no . . . these are not all "Jewish." (Yes, Marx was a Jew and various early Bolsheviks and Communists were Jews . . . but despite the crap that's presented here, communism is not "Jewish." Communism aims for the elimination of all classes and the elimination of all private ownership . . . a very non-Jewish set of goals.)

We are under attack by the Left . . . just like the Germans and most Europeans in post-World War One Europe were under attack. And the Left is seeking to undermine our culture because as Leftists philosophers like Antonio Gramsci postulated, you can't change a people's economic and political state of mind until you first change their cultural state of mind.

But this is not a "Jewish" plot. In fact, I would argue that OF ALL AMERICANS, the Jew has the MOST to lose from a Leftist, socialist government.

That doesn't mean I excuse Jews from the gangsterism, corruption and damage they cause.

It just means that I put that in proper context.

If you truly want to understand the role of the Jew in modern America, study the life of George Jung, Pablo Escobar, the Medellin and Cali Cartels and the whole history of cocaine import into the US.

No, I'm not saying the Jews were involved in coke (as far as I know) I'm just pointing you to a model of how criminals exploit an open, democratic society.

See, you can't make a post without lying, can you?



Yeah, but it's you that gets slapped around every time junior, just remember that, that's why you run away every thread.



Sure, that's right isn't it junior, you don't have the time, because... well you're making new threads all the time, so you do have the time, again, you can't help but bullshit, can you kid?

Oh, and what's this we find a few posts ago?



So you don't answer other threads, because you don't have time, but you have two hours to kill, and you spend it sitting on here making a fool of yourself?

Like I told you before, you really shouldn't try to be clever, it doesn't suit you...



Well, Oh Grand Pubah Of Upper Butt Crack . . .

Instead of insults, why not post a list of what you think I'm running from? Give me the EXACT thread and post you think I've evaded.

I mean, as far as I can see, the only one with the balls to post a credible THESIS and fight to defend it, is me.

Most of you . . . and ESPECIALLY you . . . engage in the sort of childish, dismemberment you did above . . . attack a word or phrase with some cute little remark.

Didn't anyone ever teach you that QUIBBLING is the weakest form of argument.

The QUIBBLER essentially has nothing to say . . . so he can only REACT to each remark.

Pathetic.

there are maybe 6 people here that use the term national socialist (nazi), no one else does, this is a white nationalist forum. you know for someone that has been a white nationalist for the past 30 years (:rofl) you really dont know the first thing about it


Uhhh . . . no CILLIAN . . . I'm sorry but you're wrong.

I want a white state in my lifetime and I'm willing to adapt, adjust tactics, think critically and do what I need to do to achieve it.

I am a white nationalist.

Most of you are just overly-simplistic Jew-haters.

CILLIAN,

I don't have the time or the patience to address all the misstatements, inconsistencies, simplistic analysis and illogical thinking in this piece.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to the man who wrote it. It is well-written and appears well-researched. I am even willing to stipulate that the latter part . . . where he describes ownership interest . . . is 100% correct even though I don't know that to be true.

If what is said above is true, and you claim to have been around the WN movement for 30 years, and now you're acting like this is the first time you've seen this document, then your cover is slipping further by the minute.


Where do I start? I may need two blowtorches to fully take this apart.

You often make these boasts, but we're yet to see you put it into practice.

Let's see if you can do it this time?


First of all, we don't live in some Orwellian 1984 with telescreens watching our every move.

You know, it's funny, I've read that article a few times, and I'm yet to stumble across the part where it says "we do live in some Orwellian 1984 with telescreens watching our every move."

Here is your homework for tomorrow junior, try making a post, without making shit up.

Let's see if you can handle that simple assignment.


Second

Second?

So, hang on, your super duper, going to prove it's all bullshit, grande expose, that was so hot it might take two blow torches to blow it apart, was to tell us that a statement not made in the article was wrong?

You sure like to hype your self up, but you sure struggle to get anywhere near the hype.

public opinion . . . on what subject? What segment of the population? Yes, blacks are portrayed as super-heroic, hard-working geniuses . . . yet half the jail population is black. How's that message working? Yes, teens are bombarded with messages about safe sex . . . yet 25%-50% have had some form of STD. How's that working?

So, 'second', is just as flimsy as the first, you take a few non-facts, and give us your opinion, and tell us that that's the end of that, and you're right?

And this is the follow up to the boring, over hyped spiel involving logic classes?


Third, define control.

Woah here kiddy!

You're picking this apart remember?

Well you're not actually, so far you've told us that you think the article was wrong to claim something, which it didn't actually claim, and secondly you think, without any statistics or evidence to back it up, that some of the conclusions of the article that you acknowledged yourself was well-written and appears well-researched, are wrong.

Now how's that one going junior?

You admit something is well researched, you do no research, you say you're right, you say it's wrong?

Anyway, ignoring your two strikes so far, you're meant to be picking it apart, but we get to #3, and you begin with "Third, define control"

That's not proving something wrong, that's asking a question, which implies you don't know the answer.

Do you mean that the owner of CBS single-handedly oversees every second of transmission? Or is he a policy wonk? Or does he hire other policy wonks to set policy? And since when does a policy cause any organization to act in a monolithic manner?

And then you build a bunch of BS strawmen...

Here's another beauty

Another?

We need at least 'one', before we can have 'another'.

I'm not going to bother going beyond that, I can't be bothered to read any more of your idiotic drivel, every post from you is the same.

Every post tells us how brilliant you are, and how everyone else is a complete moron, before you go on to demonstrate your a compulsive liar, who has an obvious intelligence level lower than the people you try and insult every post.

Put simply, you're an obvious compulsive liar, and a moron, and quite evidently a troll.

Now how about you tell us who you really are, and what you are really doing here?

Is your life so sad and lonely you have to go play on internet forums, and try and solicit some attention, or is it that you're some sort of liberal, or anti-racist, who completely over estimated your own intelligence, and under estimated the intelligence of everyone here, and figured you could waltz on to the site, bullshit a little and we'd all fall at your feet and worship you as some sort of genius, which you most obviously are not, or is it something even more dull and pathetic than that?

Come on, you've failed, you've made an idiot of yourself, you're quite the bore, games over, why not just come clean?

You've portrayed Buffy's family as of average intelligence, selfish, debauched, fun seeking materialists, very contemporary. Buffy's parents are probably dysfunctional because as infants, their parents would applaud loudly when they defecated into a potty, this causes a sense of disappointment following evacuation in later life and the materialist is unaware of the cause as it is rooted in the deep unconcious. I propose a remedy for materialism and associated dysfunction: The most accute cases should be given the opportunity of sitting on a specially made adult size potty, situated in the middle of a football pitch during a break in play, microphones rigged around the bowl should be fed into the P.A. system so that the crowd can roar with appreciation on cue. White bimbos such as Buffy may even become almost as nice people as Wang the superior chinaman.

Poor Jeff, no wonder he becomes such a nihilist.



Excellent. :rofl

well, i came to vnn because i agree with the ideas of alex linder, about 85- 90% of the time. if i strongly disagreed with him and what this place stands for i would just find somewhere else to get my news. the internet is a fairly big place afterall.

i think you will come around if you read up a bit more on the jews.

Below is a classic example of a moron in action.

Well, Oh Grand Pubah Of Upper Butt Crack . . .

Start with an insult, and then...

Instead of insults

:rolleyes:

why not post a list of what you think I'm running from? Give me the EXACT thread and post you think I've evaded.

Do I look like your mommy?

Go find them like every one else has to, I'm not going through my back posts for a troll.


I mean, as far as I can see, the only one with the balls to post a credible THESIS and fight to defend it, is me.

How about you link us to that then, and we can see how that went?

:rolleyes:


Pathetic.

Yep, you are, so stop whinging, whining, and trying to run in circles little girl, and get to it, either go answer the posts you ran away from, or go link us to where you've come out with credible thesis, that you have defended successfully, or just admit you're a compulsive liar, who thinks he's clever enough to run around in circles to dig himself out of the shit he drops himself in every post.

Now why do I think you'll just come back with more bullshit?

I am a white nationalist.

Sorry to burst your bubble junior, but you're not.

Even if you were genuine, which there has to be strong doubts about, you still wouldn't be a White Nationalist.

You don't even have the first clue.

I'd say right now, if you were genuine, you'd be classed as a slightly racist conservative.

You'd probably find AmRen a little to racy, so I'm not sure where you'd be most at home.

I'd say right now, if you were genuine, you'd be classed as a slightly racist conservative.

not conservative, if you read the posts where he says things like (read the last paragraph)

Blame the Whites in the American South.

For almost 100 years we had a doctrine of Separate But Equal. But frankly, the Southern Whites treated the Nigs like shit. Schools were not "equal," buses were not "equal" . . . even "da Colored bafrooms" weren't equal.

Result?

The 1954 US Supreme Court decision BROWN vs. BOARD OF EDUCATION OF TOPEKA. This was the beginning of the US Civil Rights movement.

Specific wording of the decision: Segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race deprives children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities, even though the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors may be equal.

Why? In Justice Warren's own words (his Opinion): Segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children. The impact is greater when it has the sanction of the law, for the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group.

In other words, Earl Warren understood that by making little white boys and girls go to school with nigs, he was affecting the mentality of the Nig himself.

Of course, Warren didn't understand how the Negro mentality would change because he was a California kid . . . Warren didn't know any Negroes.

Or else he didn't give a shit - historians aren't sure. Earl Warren is the same guy who put the Japs into prison camps during WW 2, so his attitudes towards race were never clearly understood.

But the bottom line is that because Southern Whites treated the Nigs like shit, the Nigs were able to sue for school integration. This put them in the classroom alongside white boys and girls and anyone could have predicted what was to follow.


This is something we need to remember . . . a great lesson learned.

When we finally do separate from the black race, we must create a nigger paradise . . . free bling, lots of drugs, booze, acres and acres of watermelons, huge patches of collard greens, and free chickens and wide-screen TVs to all. Keep them happy and they'll have no reason to want to re-integrate.
he is more like a slightly racist liberal, or very well endoctrinated with liberal bs.
im guessing he is still in college, given the childishness of his insults, yet turning around and claiming to debate

I don't have the time or the patience to address all the misstatements, inconsistencies, simplistic analysis and illogical thinking in this piece.
This is more or less the expected response. An objective debate is too dangerous to wage.


I don't mean to be disrespectful to the man who wrote it. It is well-written and appears well-researched. I am even willing to stipulate that the latter part . . . where he describes ownership interest . . . is 100% correct even though I don't know that to be true.
Reformulating statement with likely intents:
If I looked up this information I know it would be true so I will just dodge it altogether.


But . . . If I were to teach a class on logic next semester, I would hand my students a sheet with a list of the 25 most common logical fallacies . . . and then I would hand them this piece and say, "for homework, your job is to see how many logic errors the author has made."
Okay strong statement if you actually come through with it.


I'll just pick out a few.

"THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment."

Where do I start? I may need two blowtorches to fully take this apart.
Some jokes are best left cold.


First of all, we don't live in some Orwellian 1984 with telescreens watching our every move.
Sounds like an appeal to ignorance.
If not an Orwellian culture
then the Television has no control.

You should learn one thing - if you are going to talk about logic then it is cold and straightforward.


TVs and radios have these things called OFF buttons and Remote Controls. Don't like the show you're watching, switch channels or turn the damn thing off. Millions of parents (and many on VNN) do just that. We have the power to CHOOSE our own poison.
I am not sure if you have ever actually been outside but if you have been you'd know that at least every second person is talking about what they watched last night. Most people don't have much else to talk about.

It sounds like this-
An ass and horse can couple
You said they don't couple.
If they can couple then they do.

The truth of the matter isn't logical, it's dialectic. A horse and an ass will never couple in nature, but if forced into an environment where they have no other choice then they will. That and the premises don't match up anyways, A and B don't lead to C, the argument is dysfunctional.


Second, public opinion . . . on what subject? What segment of the population? Yes, blacks are portrayed as super-heroic, hard-working geniuses . . .
Ah finally, you are actually going from actual observations.


yet half the jail population is black.
Yes...

How's that message working? Yes, teens are bombarded with messages about safe sex . . . yet 25%-50% have had some form of STD. How's that working?
Good God where the fuck did this crap come from? It's like you were just at the edge of a great discovery and it just fell apart. Could you actually cite your little figure?


Third, define control. Do you mean that the owner of CBS single-handedly oversees every second of transmission? Or is he a policy wonk? Or does he hire other policy wonks to set policy? And since when does a policy cause any organization to act in a monolithic manner?
Strawman argument.
When was the last time you saw a Liberal talking about a White man's rights?


Here's another beauty: "On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way. "

CILLIAN . . . are you starting to see the underlying assumption in this piece . . . the author wants you to believe that the American media speaks ONE message and that the ONE message forms the basis of all we think and know.

Weren't you just speaking about how great nigs look on TV or something like that? I want you to cite a channel that actually lacks political correctness and uses the Lexicon we here at VNN use, since you know, the TV should represent the population by this reasoning. There are thousands of channels so one is bound to be to our liking. You already know why this is completely wrong.


Well, that might be true in a Stalinist Totalitarian state or an Orwellian 1984 state . . . but we still retain the ability to think critically.
It's kind of ironic as to how many books are banned from Libraries here. You wont see most of the literature that we read in a public Library. So how do you suppose a person can develop an opinion different from the standard if all the books are more or less the same? I am not sure if you've been to school but they have this thing called Black History month where they yammer to kids about the superiority of black race for a month on end and that is no understatement. There's a study of the Holocaust and niggers in college, you have to take something of that sort or at least a lite version of it. Now how is this different from any of the Communist images?


Yes, 10-15 years ago we were being told that blacks were super-smart, hard working, super cool people. But we know differently today, don't we? The same media that fed us that story then, feeds us a different story now.
This is called mixing up your audience. We're not talking about VNN, we're talking about an average Kwan. And no, nobody knows differently today, go to a college campus and you'll instantly see your theory crumble apart.


The author simply doesn't give people any credit for rational thought.
Herd mentality is embarrassing to admit to but very easy to spot. The first question many ask is, what will people think? People by social experience know this to be true, an environment that shakes its head at a behavior stops certain behavior. You have to grow in a rational environment to be rational, if you never learned rationality as a good thing you wont see the benefits until it helps you and seeing a spade for a spade hasn't helped anyone gain sex or friends so as true as it is people aren't interested in if its true or not. That's the difference between rationality and herd mentality, most people want it the easy way so rationality is out of the equation.


The media is overwhelmingly Liberal . . . but America remains an overwhelmingly Conservative nation. How is that possible given the author's definition of total media control?
When Liberals were in power what happened? War for profit.
When Conservatives are in power what happens? War for profit.
Do the Jews really care about party affiliation? No, they will support either who supports the Jews and especially the State of Israel, in the eyes of a Jew Bill Clinton and George Bush are both equally worthy golems.

Simple evidence
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1292/9212013.html



My final point CILLIAN.

I'm not even going to ask your opinion about Jews . . . I'll just assume you toe the VNN party line.
VNN is Democratic, there is no party line.


Much of what you attribute to the Jews has nothing to do with Jews . . . but everything to do with socialism, cultural Marxism, the New Left, the New Progressive Movement and Identity Politics.
All of which are ... Jewish! At least in your context.
You see boys and girls? Instead of calling a spade a spade he invents new names for everything. You see a Jew shouldn't be called a Jew but a Marxist or whatever the fuck else he is. That's his true identity.


And no . . . these are not all "Jewish." (Yes, Marx was a Jew and various early Bolsheviks and Communists were Jews . . . but despite the crap that's presented here, communism is not "Jewish." Communism aims for the elimination of all classes and the elimination of all private ownership . . . a very non-Jewish set of goals.)
This is complete bullshit and it's simply an unbelievably stupid claim that only a 10th grade History teacher will make.


We are under attack by the Left . . . just like the Germans and most Europeans in post-World War One Europe were under attack. And the Left is seeking to undermine our culture because as Leftists philosophers like Antonio Gramsci postulated, you can't change a people's economic and political state of mind until you first change their cultural state of mind.

Sounds like shit straight out of a Communist manifesto.
It's the classes who do it! By the way, isn't it rather interesting that Marx admitted to who these new bourgeoisie are? Did you miss that Liberastro?



But this is not a "Jewish" plot. In fact, I would argue that OF ALL AMERICANS, the Jew has the MOST to lose from a Leftist, socialist government.
You find that a people who can plan a 6 million statistic into a political strategy decades prior to its execution, conquer land by use of foreign diversified forces incapable? A people who can destroy political systems by fundings of such individuals such as Jacob Schiff and Olof Aschberg who not only infamously blocked loans to Russia during the Japanese war but were also able to obtain multiple fake passports for such individuals as Trotsky(Bronstein) are inept? You find these extremely lethal individuals who were able to create a whole bank run within years in America to be incapable of ruling a Democratic system through use of Oligopolies and Monopolies? Laudable.

The Jews are infamous for how well they adapt to a host, and it is by no stretch of imagination that all religious Jews are self-admitted supremacists and all non-religious Jews more or less tow the two point line- Israel and the Holocaust. Jews have been bred out of necessity to be such a communal folk and to compare them to ourselves in capability is foolish. The day a Jew is born he is part of a Jewish community of supremacists. Jews have multiple times admitted to their apathy for the host either by accident or on purpose, Jews have veritably been moving from place to place whether by dislike or hatred and always the same thing appeared. Once the disease was cured a country became better for if it did not where would a Jew settle now? It makes little sense.


That doesn't mean I excuse Jews from the gangsterism, corruption and damage they cause.

It just means that I put that in proper context.
Just shut your face already.

If you truly want to understand the role of the Jew in modern America, study the life of George Jung, Pablo Escobar, the Medellin and Cali Cartels and the whole history of cocaine import into the US.
All infamous College paper topics.



I am sort of left wondering, where the hell are those logical fallacies you were warming up for us? You sure were raising a cacophony of self-praise and glory, it wasn't delivered.

There is a lot of evidence thrown in the face of your theory and it has been pointed out that you relying on your story for proof of the truth is delusional. Writing a story reflecting on truth is well and all but when one looks at your story there isn't much that is true about it. If you relied on actual observation this very home forum would show you what a zealous people Jews are and they are by all means very incessant. Instead of looking at the articles, the facts, experience you simply toss it all aside make a deplorable generalization (just like you do with most statistics) and then attempt to go back to your Liberal ideology. It is much like any Liberal who will close his eyes on any evidence that goes against his ideology and instead focus on something else.

I have to ask all comrades, how is this person any different from a run of the mill Jew? What claim has he not made? What lie has he not said? Has he ever failed to make Monstrous oversimplifications of a very complicated truth? Has he not attempted to fool us with his actual experience? He hasn't once shown us Jewish favoritism but many times. He has verbally defecated on White culture with spineless claims and attempted to erase our very history much in the same the Jews do. He has pointed the finger at us for a problem that we are not involved in just like the burden is on the voter who did not choose but chose among the chosen. This individual effectively desires to erase history so that when we look at it we see a wasteland from which we cannot learn of the horrors that the Jew has pushed upon the Aryans. So the question is for everyone else whether to answer me directly or for yourself, how is this person any different from a Jew pretending to be a gentile?

I am sort of left wondering, where the hell are those logical fallacies you were warming up for us? You sure were raising a cacophony of self-praise and glory, it wasn't delivered.

It sounded more like a David Horowitz moment in 'Radical Son; except Joe doesn't hate Muslims; he hates negroes.

Most of you are just overly-simplistic Jew-haters.

There is nothing "overly-simplistic" about understanding the jews. If you actually believe this, then you are exquisitely mis-informed.

And, when one understands the jewish mind; it is really quite impossible to not despise it; hate is an altogether different emotion.

For to hate something, one must have first loved it. Two sides of the same coin. Members here, whether WN or NS do not, therefore, hate jews. We understand them, all to well, though, and name them for what they are - you might not like the words used; but, too bad, if the shoe fits, it fits.

There is nothing "overly-simplistic" about understanding the jews. If you actually believe this, then you are exquisitely mis-informed.

I'd also state that it is expressed simply for the sake of the reader because in order to explain it fully you'd need to write a multi-volume small type work with extensive footnotes (similar to the unabridged 'Golden Bough'). MacDonald's work barely scratched the surface although it created a general; if somewhat inaccurate (I opine), model of how jews work as group and he took three books to do it.

Further in regards to Joe's argument; the media does speak with 'one message' just if you misunderstand the word 'message' to mean 'one opinion' then you misconstrue the point of the opinion formation. In a dictatorship for example you always have different opinions in the various media organs it isn't like there is just one opinion; written and re-written over and over again. What there is; is one message and a lot of different opinions within that message's spectrum. The entire point of controlling a media system is that you create false conflict to cover up the fact that there is one message; you have the 'Liberals' versus the 'Conservatives'; the Judeo-Christians versus the Atheists etc. Hence different opinions but one message; that message is a simple one. What unites all that factions; the interests of the jews.

You go back through history; which group of people were infiltrating courts, acting as spies, debasing the currency, ingratiating themselves with the authorities, bribing the authorities, whining about 'religious persecution', polluting the blood, torturing and murdering any chance they got? One group, one people, one race; the jews.

Not the damn 'corporations', not the so-called bourgeoisie, not the 'liberals' but the jews... the jews are something else. Alois Brunner was right to state that the jews are the devil's crowning glory because if anyone deserves that title it is them.

Hey... I saw that movie before...

The fact that many of this board cannot even spot this stupid nigger when given the evidence, says a lot about why we are having just a problem recruiting. And why white America is in just a piss poor state.


Now I know some of you would like to believe every anti who comes on here is a kike or some competent white they sent, since it is depressing for some of you to believe that you may be arguing with a nig (I don't see why it would insist it was a nig, if it wasn't) since nigs are just depressing blackholes. But I don't think the nigger knows enough about the art of deception to be a kike. His talk about blacks his simply a cover. Like saying "Niggers are a dangerous foe" (rather than just cowardly easily humbled simple simians) is not an insult. No one should ever underestimate the indecency of your average coon to strike at a moment of weakness. Look at this nigger on elderly woman thread (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=69445) ...but that is because they are cowards and and primative animals just as easily humbled.

In other thread he says "blacks are the real problem, we never took care of and gives all these dates 1775 or 1783 or 1850 or 1865 or 1965 (like we're all supposed to be impressed) but is not expecting to go anywhere then look how he blows up/chimps out when the terrifying prospect is pressed that his worthless peeps will likely be shipped to Afreaka to fend for themselves, because no one will have an incentive to care for them
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=745030&postcount=7


So the real problem is that we didn't rid the south of nigs in 1775, 1783 and 1850, but now we should give them the South again, as he suggests, and continue to sustain them just as long as none of us have to live there amongst them? LOL!

The nigger knows nothing about the art of persuasion. Politicians in the Republican party, and "professional conservatives" like Rush Limbaugh and to a further extent Jared Taylor are paid to steer whites away from jews. "The problem is not that you have a hostile alien body in the government...the problem is with bad liberal ideas...etc

Get a right wing politician, let's say a racist one, whose stance is the same as Taylor's on kikes. He will tell them he wants closed borders, low to no taxes, smaller government etc, no nigs, whites should be able to live on their own, these are ideas white people want....oh and the kikes are white. So if you attack his stance kikes are white, you are attacking all the good he stands for and is going to bring. It is the jewish evolutionary strategy of attaching themselves to a powerful host.

It is the same thing, when a spending bill for children is say introduced, and Ted Kennedy tries to attach a hate crime law on there as well. Well if it is vetoed his kike coaches or whoever, tell him to say "THEY ARE AGAINST SPENDING FOR CHILDREN!" This is how pork barrel spending is done through Congress as well. Jared Taylor says "I WON'T HELP PERSUADE LEMMINGS, AND HELP ELEVIATE YOU OF YOUR NIG PROBLEM, UNTIL YOU ADMIT KIKES ARE WHITE AND LET ME ATTACH THEM TO MY PLAN." So some assholes just say "OK, I don't see what the problem is. It just must be those ugly stupid niggers...not the kikes and the government that serves them."

In order to persuade someone of a bad idea, you must introduce a good one first and work it into there. "Oy! Being in my movies will make you a star...how about introducing me to your 15 year old daughter."

Hetrosexual men (I don't know about some of the freaks on this board) men who can think. Will be attracted to a leader for the ideas he brings forth, not because he claims to drive a benz (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=252178&postcount=1)...or has a pool (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=252581&postcount=73)....(or doesn't sag) It just can't fathom that are not people who don't want to be like it, or lead be lead by it's example. It is a stupid nig yuppie (but I suspect the yuppie part is made up since it has so many different stories about itself) It is just the "BIG MAN" African village philosphy. "I gotz da most, so I knows da most so you BEST DOES WHAT I SAYS!" and it thinks if it makes up a story about itself, people will go along with whatever bad suggestion it makes.

I'm sure it uses the same uncompelling anti-racist baseless liberal arguements with all it's sock puppets, then expects people to go along with it, because of what the dumb nigger "yells" about itself.

IT JUST DOESN'T GET IT!

http://www.spscriptorium.com/Season3/JakovasaurKids.jpg


What is possible is that it is some sophisticated kike, who is pretending to be a nigger this stupid, just because it knows how irritating and counter-productive it is, but MOST (not all) kikes are not sophisticated. What is more likely is that it is a nigger actually this stupid, and some kike encourages him to come on here, knowing how annoying and counterproductive it will be for the humans to have a jakovasaur like this here. Just like real life integration.

So my AGENDA for the last few days has been to drive home the point that the focus on the Jews . . . as you have outlined above . . . is wrong. It hasn't worked and it won't work. .

Joe, there is no doubt that this is indeed your agenda, part of it anyway. The question is why?

What you seem to be saying is that our focus on truth hasn't worked and we should just STFU about it. Why?

You are DELUSIONAL if you truly believe this: "We do this by educating people to the true nature of the problem, and to the full extent of the problem, alerting them to the fact that we have been left completely outside of the system, and that the system is in effect to far controlled by foreign powers for it to be of any use in correcting our situation, and by removing the fear from our peoples hearts, and recruiting those who can give them the confidence to do something about it, either through education, leadership, or by other means.".

So we are delusional if we believe telling people the truth about jews will in any way help to achieve a solution to the JEWISH PROBLEM afflicting our world?

Funny thing about truth! You can shout it down, you can ridicule it, you can try to hide it, you can call it bigotry, but at the end of the day it is still there, still true, and you ignore it at your own peril.

You educate no one with your simplistic anti-Semitic bigotry. People HEAR you . . . they've been listening to your bullshit for 50 years . . . they just don't agree with it and won't agree with it because you haven't proven your case. You can't . . . because it's all bullshit..

Ah but the real problem is that it is NOT bullshit, which is perhaps why you would prefer we just shut up about it?

There is nothing "overly-simplistic" about understanding the jews. If you actually believe this, then you are exquisitely mis-informed.

And, when one understands the jewish mind; it is really quite impossible to not despise it; hate is an altogether different emotion.

For to hate something, one must have first loved it. Two sides of the same coin. Members here, whether WN or NS do not, therefore, hate jews. We understand them, all to well, though, and name them for what they are - you might not like the words used; but, too bad, if the shoe fits, it fits.

Yes. It is impossible to love something without hating that which threatens it. They are paired emotions, one cannot exist without the other. We are told over and over about the power of love. Love has NO power without hate, because hate is the sword that enables one to defend what one loves. The jews understand the power of hate all too well, which is exactly why they work to deny us it's power. They also understand that they SHOULD be hated.

Give hate a chance.

Yes. It is impossible to love something without hating that which threatens it. They are paired emotions, one cannot exist without the other. We are told over and over about the power of love. Love has NO power without hate, because hate is the sword that enables one to defend what one loves. The jews understand the power of hate all too well, which is exactly why they work to deny us it's power. They also understand that they SHOULD be hated.

Give hate a chance.

I think one of the difficulties with love, and hate, these days, is that the words have become almost completely redefined, since the 'age of love' in the 1960's.

Love is now a shallow thing, often a materialistic thing, and with it's axis moved naturally the axis of it's paired emotion is also moved, in the public mind.

When we talk of love and hate these days we no longer refer to natural, and healthy emotions, but to false media constructs, renamed as love and hate, in fact often now love is repackaged as hate, and hate is repackaged as love.

The whole world revolves around such lies today, it's like the ministries in Orwell's 1984, the Ministry of Truth, or the Ministry of Hate.

Love has become a wishy washy catch all, and in it's dilution hate has become equally distorted.

They also understand that they SHOULD be hated.

I'd disagree there; the jews think; in my experience and reading of them, that they should be loved and quite genuinely do not understand why they are hated. Since what they seem to be motivated by is their desire to 'repair the world' or more simply put; to rule the world and/or to be its biological priesthood.

They understand that they are hated naturally but can't for the life of them work out why; some of them have made earnest attempts to but most have just batted it away as 'irrationality', 'blind hate' and 'bigotry' (just as Joe has just done) because after all are they not; in their eyes, the forces of light seeking to help us 'poor deluded goyim' (etc) from the arms of forces of darkness i.e. 'anti-Semitism' and opposition to them as our supposed rightful and pre-ordained masters. We understand these actions as a different race; quite naturally, as being direct attacks upon the folk and the racial basis of our civilisation and hence see them as utterly malevolent and evil but this does not mean that jews see them the same way. Far from it; I propose they see it the opposite way to us in that they think we should be thankful for all their 'efforts' on our behalf.

That is why they keep 'poking the sleeping lion' as you put it so well earlier; it is because they think they are doing what is best for us by making us their subjects and servants. I don't think any amount of pogroms or 'Hep! Hep!' riots would actually make them work out that perhaps this isn't the case because if anything they are a people largely convinced of their own destiny.

I'd disagree there; the jews think; in my experience and reading of them, that they should be loved and quite genuinely do not understand why they are hated. Since what they seem to be motivated by is their desire to 'repair the world' or more simply put; to rule the world and/or to be its biological priesthood.

They understand that they are hated naturally but can't for the life of them work out why; some of them have made earnest attempts to but most have just batted it away as 'irrationality', 'blind hate' and 'bigotry' (just as Joe has just done) because after all are they not; in their eyes, the forces of light seeking to help us 'poor deluded goyim' (etc) from the arms of forces of darkness i.e. 'anti-Semitism' and opposition to them as our supposed rightful and pre-ordained masters. We understand these actions as a different race; quite naturally, as being direct attacks upon the folk and the racial basis of our civilisation and hence see them as utterly malevolent and evil but this does not mean that jews see them the same way. Far from it; I propose they see it the opposite way to us in that they think we should be thankful for all their 'efforts' on our behalf.

That is why they keep 'poking the sleeping lion' as you put it so well earlier; it is because they think they are doing what is best for us by making us their subjects and servants. I don't think any amount of pogroms or 'Hep! Hep!' riots would actually make them work out that perhaps this isn't the case because if anything they are a people largely convinced of their own destiny.


Karl, you are right of course, actually I should have said that jews understand that their activities do provoke hatred. They really do seem to have an inability to understand why, but they do understand fully that they are hated, yet they are incapable of adjusting their behavior to avoid provoking this reaction. It is a form of insanity that seems to be genetically encoded.

Karl, you are right of course, actually I should have said that jews understand that their activities do provoke hatred. They really do seem to have an inability to understand why, but they do understand fully that they are hated, yet they are incapable of adjusting their behavior to avoid provoking this reaction. It is a form of insanity that seems to be genetically encoded.

I read an interesting theory once, putting it down to 'exile'.

You know how when you're a little kid, maybe 7 or 8, and it's one of those long hot summers, and you're hanging out somewhere and then the bigger kids ditch you, because they want to go smoke in the woods or something, so you and your younger friend wander off, and you have a little moan about the big kids, even though you don't really understand the situation, because obviously they didn't tell you they just wanted to sneak off to smoke?

Well, if you don't remember such a time, then imagine it, and then think of the jew.

The jew has been in 'exile' for thousands of years, he is almost completely incapable of being self-sufficient, and has spent most of his existance as a 'leech' in city environments.

In a city the sense of 'gossip' is exaggerated, more people, more gossip, and often more paranoia.

Now imagine the big kids, or in this case, the host nations, and cities, keep ditching you.

You're always on the outside, looking in, you're never there to hear/read the explanations, so you're always the little kid, moaning, without any of the facts, or without understanding things.

Now imagine that happening for thousands of years, again, and again, and again, eventually, just like screen burn, on a TV monitor, or a computer screen, that mentality would be forever burned into your brain.

You'd always know you were hated, you'd always know you were ostracized, but you'd never quite understand why, and have thousands of years worth of made up excuses, to cover the fact that it was all because of you.

I've not seen any research into the theory, but I thought it was quite interesting, and there was merit in further examining it one day, as I know that the theory of 'exile', and also the theory of city dwelling, has been offered up in the past to explain certain jewish traits that have evolved over the last few thousand years.

I believe H.S. Chamberlain touched upon the jew in 'exile' and their urban history in some of his writings, but I was never good when it came to quoting sources, so I can't tell you when or where he mentions it.

They understand that they are hated naturally but can't for the life of them work out why; some of them have made earnest attempts to but most have just batted it away as 'irrationality', 'blind hate' and 'bigotry' (just as Joe has just done) because after all are they not; in their eyes, the forces of light seeking to help us 'poor deluded goyim' (etc) from the arms of forces of darkness i.e. 'anti-Semitism' and opposition to them as our supposed rightful and pre-ordained masters. We understand these actions as a different race; quite naturally, as being direct attacks upon the folk and the racial basis of our civilisation and hence see them as utterly malevolent and evil but this does not mean that jews see them the same way. Far from it; I propose they see it the opposite way to us in that they think we should be thankful for all their 'efforts' on our behalf.


Jews are incredibly superstitious albeit behind closed doors which is mostly what you said. It has always been hard for me to understand that alien psychology but the only thing that can explain their lurid behavior is their own gross superstitions. I have met many Jews that have more or less taken their biblical stories as literally having happened and the "less religious" ones aren't far from it.

Jews are incredibly superstitious albeit behind closed doors which is mostly what you said. It has always been hard for me to understand that alien psychology but the only thing that can explain their lurid behavior is their own gross superstitions. I have met many Jews that have more or less taken their biblical stories as literally having happened and the "less religious" ones aren't far from it.

ive noticed that too, even the athiest jews will say god promised them israel

Jews are incredibly superstitious albeit behind closed doors which is mostly what you said. It has always been hard for me to understand that alien psychology but the only thing that can explain their lurid behavior is their own gross superstitions. I have met many Jews that have more or less taken their biblical stories as literally having happened and the "less religious" ones aren't far from it.

This is very true; they are very supertitious although you often find that they pretend not to be and to 'know all' about social, political and theological matters (in particular the later if they in anyway consider themselves learned). They aren't like the negroes of Africa with witchdoctors spitting out dead insects to impress their patients but rather they are quietly superstitious. For example; it is not uncommon for a jew to bury a kosher utensil in the nearest plot of (jewish owned) land which has been used by a gentile on a mix of foods forbidden by kashrut/halakha rather than simply cleaning it (they also tend to have a small fit of gibbering madness if this happens).

If you've heard the expression from Freudianism 'to be anal'; that is how I would describe jewish superstition in regards to how dedicated and fanatical they are about it (superficially at least; since many jews don't exactly play by the rules and go out a-whoring (etc) when they are supposed to be out working or 'debating God').

Joe, there is no doubt that this is indeed your agenda, part of it anyway. The question is why?

What you seem to be saying is that our focus on truth hasn't worked and we should just STFU about it. Why?

So we are delusional if we believe telling people the truth about jews will in any way help to achieve a solution to the JEWISH PROBLEM afflicting our world?

Funny thing about truth! You can shout it down, you can ridicule it, you can try to hide it, you can call it bigotry, but at the end of the day it is still there, still true, and you ignore it at your own peril.

Ah but the real problem is that it is NOT bullshit, which is perhaps why you would prefer we just shut up about it?



Because I have come to believe that Anti-Semitism and Anti-Niggerism . . . or Anti-Anything-ism . . . are all political dead-ends.

Actually, to say that Anti-ism will no longer achieve anything is a misstatement. It does achieve the end of making all white nationalists a laughingstock and it eliminates any hope of recruting sufficient numbers of voters to seize legitimate political power.

To repeat: Your belief system (Jew-hate) is a dead-end.

If you don't see or agree with that, then please explain to me how you see a white nationalist state evolving in what we today call the United States?

If you can do that in sufficient detail to be a realistic concept, then I will gladly join your ranks and admit that you are right and I am wrong.

well, i came to vnn because i agree with the ideas of alex linder, about 85- 90% of the time. if i strongly disagreed with him and what this place stands for i would just find somewhere else to get my news. the internet is a fairly big place afterall.

i think you will come around if you read up a bit more on the jews.


SILLY ANNE,

You can spend your life reading up about Jews . . . you can even become a Jew . . . so what?

How exactly, do you plan to achieve a white state?

You say you agree with Linder?

I believe it was he who said: "No way out but through the Jews."

Cute. Pithy. Very Chinese-cookieish in its enigmatic nature.

But what the fuck does it mean? Where is his PLAN? Where is yours?

You have none. You never will because the goal of achieving a white nationalist state in our lifetime has very little (if anything) to do with Jews.

Let me suggest a bettwer quote:

Power first; then revolution.

Because I have come to believe that Anti-Semitism and Anti-Niggerism . . . or Anti-Anything-ism . . . are all political dead-ends.

Actually, to say that Anti-ism will no longer achieve anything is a misstatement. It does achieve the end of making all white nationalists a laughingstock and it eliminates any hope of recruting sufficient numbers of voters to seize legitimate political power.

To repeat: Your belief system (Jew-hate) is a dead-end.

If you don't see or agree with that, then please explain to me how you see a white nationalist state evolving in what we today call the United States?

If you can do that in sufficient detail to be a realistic concept, then I will gladly join your ranks and admit that you are right and I am wrong.


you are defining white nationalism as anti semitism, thats a jewish perspective. the white perspective is getting white people to think and act like white people.

actually you use all the terms and stereotypes than an anti does. keep climbing monkey

SILLY ANNE

its pronounced kill ee an, but its a white name and i wouldnt expect you to be too familiar with anything white

There is a lot of evidence thrown in the face of your theory and it has been pointed out that you relying on your story for proof of the truth is delusional. Writing a story reflecting on truth is well and all but when one looks at your story there isn't much that is true about it. If you relied on actual observation this very home forum would show you what a zealous people Jews are and they are by all means very incessant. Instead of looking at the articles, the facts, experience you simply toss it all aside make a deplorable generalization (just like you do with most statistics) and then attempt to go back to your Liberal ideology. It is much like any Liberal who will close his eyes on any evidence that goes against his ideology and instead focus on something else.

I have to ask all comrades, how is this person any different from a run of the mill Jew? What claim has he not made? What lie has he not said? Has he ever failed to make Monstrous oversimplifications of a very complicated truth? Has he not attempted to fool us with his actual experience? He hasn't once shown us Jewish favoritism but many times. He has verbally defecated on White culture with spineless claims and attempted to erase our very history much in the same the Jews do. He has pointed the finger at us for a problem that we are not involved in just like the burden is on the voter who did not choose but chose among the chosen. This individual effectively desires to erase history so that when we look at it we see a wasteland from which we cannot learn of the horrors that the Jew has pushed upon the Aryans. So the question is for everyone else whether to answer me directly or for yourself, how is this person any different from a Jew pretending to be a gentile?


LAUGHING STOCK . . .

You have the same annoying habit of quoting and responding to every sentence . . . every phrase . . . every word. Obviously, you understand that to attempt to reply to that nonsense eventually leads to a useless battle over trivia that goes nowehere . . . which is undoubtedly why so many of you make that your favorite tactic.

If you would like to challenge me and debate a specific point . . . or series of points . . . then let me suggest that you post your questions/issues in separate posts so that we can keep the debate orderly. Cillian posted an article on the Jewish control of media. I don't deny the control (or appearance of control) I challenge your conclusions about its effects. Perhaps you'd care to debate that? (Just a suggestion; bring on whatever.)

I will reply to the two paragraphs quoted above.

The purpose of my story was to illustrate a point. I don't rely on it as "proof of truth" as you and Cillian suggest. It is just a story about what I think happens to be the biggest problem whites face . . . that because of our own greed and materialism, we fail to teach our children to be competitive and they fall prey to the garbage in their world.

That's all pal; just a story.

As for this somewhat hysterical appeal:

I have to ask all comrades, how is this person any different from a run of the mill Jew? What claim has he not made? What lie has he not said? Has he ever failed to make Monstrous oversimplifications of a very complicated truth? Has he not attempted to fool us with his actual experience? He hasn't once shown us Jewish favoritism but many times. He has verbally defecated on White culture with spineless claims and attempted to erase our very history much in the same the Jews do. He has pointed the finger at us for a problem that we are not involved in just like the burden is on the voter who did not choose but chose among the chosen. This individual effectively desires to erase history so that when we look at it we see a wasteland from which we cannot learn of the horrors that the Jew has pushed upon the Aryans. So the question is for everyone else whether to answer me directly or for yourself, how is this person any different from a Jew pretending to be a gentile?

Let's cut through the drama, shall we?

Explain to me your PLAN . . . your STRATEGY . . . your CONCEPT . . . for how you expect to create a white state.

I'm a very practical man. Who knows? Maybe if I see evidence of realism I might simply say that I am wrong and you are all right.

So let's hear it . . . .

Explain to me your PLAN . . . your STRATEGY . . . your CONCEPT . . . for how you expect to create a white state.

I'm a very practical man. Who knows? Maybe if I see evidence of realism I might simply say that I am wrong and you are all right.

So let's hear it . . . .

global genocide ;)

LAUGHING STOCK . . .

You have the same annoying habit of quoting and responding to every sentence . . . every phrase . . . every word.
You annoy me with your childish behavior I annoy you with my meticulous method. It's more than fair.

But not any phrase - just the pertinent ones. Your king kong chest beating was mostly ignored.

Obviously, you understand that to attempt to reply to that nonsense eventually leads to a useless battle over trivia that goes nowehere . . . which is undoubtedly why so many of you make that your favorite tactic.
Empty claims are empty arguments. I already told you that your childish behavior more than warrants it.


If you would like to challenge me and debate a specific point . . .
You were promising logical analysis, not only but you are making claims that are so far unproven. If anything it is I who should demand answers from you.


or series of points . . . then let me suggest that you post your questions/issues in separate posts so that we can keep the debate orderly.
You already have plenty of material from my previous post, I am not wasting time rehearsing it.


Cillian posted an article on the Jewish control of media. I don't deny the control (or appearance of control) I challenge your conclusions about its effects. Perhaps you'd care to debate that? (Just a suggestion; bring on whatever.)
There's nothing to debate about, the article is rather straightforward, if anything I suggest you ask Karl Radl for some literary recommendations for the full story. The article cited above is just a lite version.


The purpose of my story was to illustrate a point. I don't rely on it as "proof of truth" as you and Cillian suggest. It is just a story about what I think happens to be the biggest problem whites face . . . that because of our own greed and materialism, we fail to teach our children to be competitive and they fall prey to the garbage in their world.
The point has to be backed by facts, and the fact of the matter is that what you are composing is complete fiction. Materialism does not lead to anything on its own in fact a healthy dose of it is very useful for the individual in question. It is when one puts all value in paper and when one can be exploited by Jews who have taken on a national guise which we call "nationality" that it becomes a problem. As many like to say here- fight the cause not the symptoms.

That's all pal; just a story.
Propaganda often uses "just a story" to convert younger folk. Naturally, these stories are detrimental.


Let's cut through the drama, shall we?
What drama?
I asked a simple question of my fellow comrades and I am sure that most completely agree with me.


Explain to me your PLAN . . . your STRATEGY . . . your CONCEPT . . . for how you expect to create a white state.

I'm a very practical man. Who knows? Maybe if I see evidence of realism I might simply say that I am wrong and you are all right.

So let's hear it . . . .
Machiavelli said something along the lines of "a plan's chance of success is directly proportional to how long it remains a secret." In my words it's simply "A plan is most likely to succeed when it is discovered at a time when its consequences are inevitable."

At any rate, I don't see it as reasonable to speak since your "plan" is more or less what Stormfront has done. That and your identity is dubious at best.

Because I have come to believe that Anti-Semitism and Anti-Niggerism . . . or Anti-Anything-ism . . . are all political dead-ends.

Actually, to say that Anti-ism will no longer achieve anything is a misstatement. It does achieve the end of making all white nationalists a laughingstock and it eliminates any hope of recruting sufficient numbers of voters to seize legitimate political power.

To repeat: Your belief system (Jew-hate) is a dead-end.

If you don't see or agree with that, then please explain to me how you see a white nationalist state evolving in what we today call the United States?

If you can do that in sufficient detail to be a realistic concept, then I will gladly join your ranks and admit that you are right and I am wrong.

If we are to follow this approach then if one gets cancer he is not to resist the spread of the tumor because that is "anti-cancer", why hell, to even admit one has cancer is somehow a "political dead end".

I submit to you, sir, that to NOT take a stand against that which is demonstrably bringing about the destruction of our race is far worse than a political dead end, it is a literal dead end.

You keep demanding a "plan" which you insist we must have to bring about a White nationalist state. I am going to let you in on a little secret. We don't have no frigging plan. Please don't tell Mo Dees or the ADL. Our situation could be compared to a crowded theater which is on fire, the first priority is to alert people that they are in danger. By your reasoning we shouldn't be yelling "fire" because it might annoy the decent folk who are enjoying the movie, why hell they might even think we are nuts and laugh at us, best to just keep quiet and pretend all is well. After all, right up there on that big screen all is well, that nice nigger scientist, working with the nice White lady policewoman, is going to save us all from those evil White males.

I say we don't have a "plan", but we do have goals, and we have ideals. Our main goal can be summed up with the words "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." 14 words. Ever heard of it?

[quote=Joe Diaz;746727]
You have the same annoying habit of quoting and responding to every sentence . . . every phrase . . . every word.


Yes, we tend to annoy jews and their sympathisers by taking them head on and questioning every single sentence they decide to utter.

Cillian posted an article on the Jewish control of media. I don't deny the control (or appearance of control) I challenge your conclusions about its effects.

You cannot have it both ways; either it is the jewish control of media or not. The "appearance of control"; you "challenge" the obvious, come on, you are smarter than that.


It is just a story about what I think happens to be the biggest problem whites face . . . that because of our own greed and materialism, we fail to teach our children to be competitive and they fall prey to the garbage in their world.

I see that you follow the [Marxist] party line very faithfully. Cultural marxism is not a White invention. You should be writing stories about that.


As for this somewhat hysterical appeal:

I have to ask all comrades, how is this person any different from a run of the mill Jew? What claim has he not made? What lie has he not said? Has he ever failed to make Monstrous oversimplifications of a very complicated truth? Has he not attempted to fool us with his actual experience? He hasn't once shown us Jewish favoritism but many times. He has verbally defecated on White culture with spineless claims and attempted to erase our very history much in the same the Jews do.

He has pointed the finger at us for a problem that we are not involved in just like the burden is on the voter who did not choose but chose among the chosen.

This individual effectively desires to erase history so that when we look at it we see a wasteland from which we cannot learn of the horrors that the Jew has pushed upon the Aryans. So the question is for everyone else whether to answer me directly or for yourself, how is this person any different from a Jew pretending to be a gentile?

Let's cut through the drama, shall we?


It is not an "hysterical appeal" - Ps was stating the truth imo, and there is nothing "hysterical" about it. Often the stark truth of a matter is dramatic though. And there is no "cutting through" the truth, for the truth exists as is.

Explain to me your PLAN . . . your STRATEGY . . . your CONCEPT . . . for how you expect to create a white state.

It's pretty obvious. And, it's also very obvious that you do not know a PLAN, a STRATEGY, a CONCEPT; even when it smacks you square in the face.

I'm a very practical man. Who knows?

Practicality is not a characteristic of the antifa, non-whites, especially jews.

Machiavelli said something along the lines of "a plan's chance of success is directly proportional to how long it remains a secret." In my words it's simply "A plan is most likely to succeed when it is discovered at a time when its consequences are inevitable."

At any rate, I don't see it as reasonable to speak since your "plan" is more or less what Stormfront has done. That and your identity is dubious at best.


Right.

In other words, you have no plan.

No. My "plan" is not what "Stormfront had done."

First of all, I have no plan because I recognize that I'm not able to create one. It would be well out of my league. I can develop a general concept. I can pose questions . . . I can run the operations research analysis . . . I can timeline actions and develop resource lists . . . but a plan has to be a comprehensive body of work which far exceeds the capability of any one man.

Despite your insinuation to the contrary, I know that you have nothing of the sort. So whatever you may have . . . is undoubtedly crap.

And this is part of the problem that I've been addressing all week.

As long as you keep engaging in your intellectual masturbation . . . developing Jewish conspiracy theories, and commenting about how awful the niggers are . . . you avoid tackling the real work which needs to be done . . . which, as I've described many times . . . means building a political movement of 10-15 million, electing members to school boards, local governments, state legislatures and eventually Congress and the Presidency.

From what I see of AMREN and Stormfront, they pretty much flounder around like the people here.

By the way . . . as far as Machiavelli . . . secret plans imply that you're hiding something that you're afraid will be damaged if discovered.

In terms of white nationalism during the last 50 years, that has meant rallies (protected by cops) . . . setting off bombs and killing innocent women and children . . . bank robberies . . . a bunch of fat-ass losers setting up "militias" . . . and other useless crap that has caused white nationalism to be the Jeffrey Dahmer of the political scene.

White nationalism needs to stand for something . . . it needs to be proud, out in the open, unapologetic and peaceful. There's nothing to hide when there's no evil intent. The goal is not to commit any felonies or misdemeanors . . . the goal is political power.

Power first; then revolution.

Cillian posted an article on the Jewish control of media. I don't deny the control (or appearance of control) I challenge your conclusions about its effects.

You cannot have it both ways; either it is the jewish control of media or not. The "appearance of control"; you "challenge" the obvious, come on, you are smarter than that.


Yes, I am smarter than that.

Ownership does not imply control. Sorry. Just doesn't.

There's a fascinating book about the Cuban missile crisis called Essence of Decision: Explaining the Cuban Missile Crisis by Doctor Graham Allison.

One of the things Allison did was (for the first time in political science) provide theories on how the opponents behaved and how political science looks at the actors themselves.

For example, (and you'll forgive me but I'm working off memory here) there was the Rational Decision Making Theory which says each side was like a giant machine responding to orders from the boss.

Then there was the Bureaucracy Theory which explains what happens in terms of rules and procedures each side followed.

And there are a few others.

So my "intellectual tradition" which sounds much more pompous than I mean it to be, follows Doctor Allison's basic idea that we can't just assume that organizations work a certain way.

Yes . . . a Jew may own XYZ Media Corp. But that doesn't mean said Jew is rationally directing XYZ in line with some Jewish Zionist Master Conspiracy. Nor does it mean that if he is, the subordinate players can carry out his policy. Nor does it mean that if they do, the policy will be effective.

And so on.

So yes Miss GODDESS* I know that the standard white nationalist party line is that the Jew is radioactive and that anything that comes in contact with a Jew . . . a piece of bread, a political theory or a media corporation . . . is automatically "Jewified" . . . but the world is not so simple.

Hence . . . appearance of control (ownership) does not imply effective operational control.


* Love the name

Right.

In other words, you have no plan.
If Liberals think I have no plan, good for me, I am free to do as I like. Whether I do or don't isn't something you really know, you just want to hear a confession.


No. My "plan" is not what "Stormfront had done."
Really?

1. Stop intra-group and inter-group bickering. Unite into a political movement.

2. Re-define white nationalism in terms that a large number of whites will bond with. Get rid of the crazies, bedsheets and 1930s uniforms. Turn it into an alternative to the current Left-Right, Democrat-Republican, Liberal-Conservative dichotomies. Make it a mainstream, pro-America movement.

3. Recruit. Set a goal of building an organization of 10 million adults within two years.

4. Raise funds and create our own TV studio to produce professional video and audio products, movies and TV shows.

5. Raise funds to create our own university where young men and women can learn the principles of White Nationalism.

6. Begin talks with the Nation Of Islam and other black nationalists . . . as well as La Raza and Mexican nationalists . . . and form a coalition to plan and prepare for racial separation.
Plan: Sell out to the Jew , use their language and generally become completely impotent. Don't test my memory, you'll find that even with all the garbage you spew I can still remember your crap.



First of all, I have no plan because I recognize that I'm not able to create one. It would be well out of my league. I can develop a general concept. I can pose questions . . . I can run the operations research analysis . . . I can timeline actions and develop resource lists . . . but a plan has to be a comprehensive body of work which far exceeds the capability of any one man.
Contradicting yourself isn't the largest inconsistency you have made for yourself.


Despite your insinuation to the contrary, I know that you have nothing of the sort. So whatever you may have . . . is undoubtedly crap.
Everything you say is garbage based on estimations, its one thing to state a fact, one thing to have an opinion based on fact and of course quite another to have an opinion based on fiction. Someone who reads a book can tell you much more about it than someone who has only heard its name.


As long as you keep engaging in your intellectual masturbation . . . developing Jewish conspiracy theories, and commenting about how awful the niggers are . . . you avoid tackling the real work which needs to be done . . . which, as I've described many times . . . means building a political movement of 10-15 million, electing members to school boards, local governments, state legislatures and eventually Congress and the Presidency.
Void due to reasons above.


From what I see of AMREN and Stormfront, they pretty much flounder around like the people here.
They're more or less following the sort of mind-mince you want us to follow.


By the way . . . as far as Machiavelli . . . secret plans imply that you're hiding something that you're afraid will be damaged if discovered.
As if you read any of his work.

In terms of white nationalism during the last 50 years, that has meant rallies (protected by cops) . . . setting off bombs and killing innocent women and children . . . bank robberies . . . a bunch of fat-ass losers setting up "militias" . . . and other useless crap that has caused white nationalism to be the Jeffrey Dahmer of the political scene.
The White movement is some of the most peace loving people statistically. As for crimes - every group does them, some more than others, some species are serial killers, some are savage killers.


White nationalism needs to stand for something . . . it needs to be proud, out in the open, unapologetic and peaceful. There's nothing to hide when there's no evil intent. The goal is not to commit any felonies or misdemeanors . . . the goal is political power.

Power first; then revolution.
It's hard to believe that you even read the Communist manifesto.

[quote=Joe Diaz;746860][quote]
Right. In other words, you have no plan.


Good lord, and I thought that you were a person with a modicum of intelligence. You cannot even debate the concepts of Machiavelli with ps. Perhaps you follow the later concepts. However, Machiavelli is still the master - I understand what ps meant when he stated,


Originally posted by psychologicalshock:
Machiavelli said something along the lines of "a plan's chance of success is directly proportional to how long it remains a secret."

In my words it's simply "A plan is most likely to succeed when it is discovered at a time when its consequences are inevitable."


What argument do you have with these words and ideas?


First of all, I have no plan because I recognize that I'm not able to create one. It would be well out of my league. I can develop a general concept. I can pose questions . . . I can run the operations research analysis . . . I can timeline actions and develop resource lists . . . but a plan has to be a comprehensive body of work which far exceeds the capability of any one man.

So, you are complaining because you are not the "go to" man, one in a position of power and one to whom a plan, a concept is not revealed until it is deemed necessary by your superiors. Well, every movement and plan needs it's petit functionaries to carrry out the mundane tasks. Were you a NS or WN, you do not carry the credentials to be let in on anything beyond the task set before you by your commanding officer or superior.

Despite your insinuation to the contrary, I know that you have nothing of the sort. So whatever you may have . . . is undoubtedly crap.

I find a grown man pouting aloud rather disconcerting, as a woman. And, I already know what you think of women in general and women in the movement; we are to be ignored, because you consider females to be too insignificant to debate; believing perhaps that your your own intellect is far superior.

You seem to believe the same about Our Men as well. Ps understands why I am answering a post addressed to him; expressing my own view; and I rather doubt that he is offended by this.

And this is part of the problem that I've been addressing all week.

No you have not. You have been complaining all week.

As long as you keep engaging in your intellectual masturbation . . .

Translation: I cannot debate you psychological shock; so I will, instead, resort to crude insult. How very jewish of you, Joe Diaz


developing Jewish conspiracy theories, and commenting about how awful the niggers are . . . you avoid tackling the real work which needs to be done . . . which, as I've described many times . . . means building a political movement of 10-15 million, electing members to school boards, local governments, state legislatures and eventually Congress and the Presidency.

Ah, now, here it is revealed. You do not want to accept your ideal role as researcher and functionary. You wish to be a "mover and shaker", a creator of worlds. As would we all. However, that's not how WN or NS, in particular, works. What you have stated is nothing new to us; and how do you know there is not already such a plan in place? You do not, perhaps it is not your function to know. I accept that it's not my function to know. I accept my place without complaint because I know that the work I do, offline in particular, is important to the movement. I do not need to be a fuhrer.

By the way . . . as far as Machiavelli . . . secret plans imply that you're hiding something that you're afraid will be damaged if discovered.

No, that's not true. Secrecy in government and revolution and governance of the State is an essential element to success. And, if such "secret plans" are discovered by the wrong men, then failure results.

btw, this happens to be one of my favourite quotes by Machiavelli:

There are three classes of intellects; one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself, nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, and the third is useless. - from "The Prince".

white nationalism needs to stand for something . . . The goal is not to commit any felonies or misdemeanors . . . the goal is political power.

Most politicians today rarely achieve political power without committing felonies and misdemeanors and various other crimes against the Folk that are not illegal -

so, in essence you are stating that our Folk, and , more importantly, our future politicians must continue this corrupt practise. Despite the portion to contrary that I omitted from your statement, for that was just self-righteuos parrot talk - the above is what you really mean.


Power first; then revolution


Chicken before the egg and vice versa, meh, that's not even a good slogan.

Despite your insinuation to the contrary, I know that you have nothing of the sort. So whatever you may have . . . is undoubtedly crap.

What are you telepathic? He quoted Machiavelli; you made all the silly inferences from there.

And this is part of the problem that I've been addressing all week.

I haven't seen you making much of an argument or much in the way of a positive stand all week. All that you have done is keep making false premises based on the assumption that the jews are 'just like everybody else' (which is fundamentally a Marxist view derived from 'Social Christianity') and talking about 'jewish conspiracy theories' (nothing wrong with conspiracy theories per se; history is absolutely full of successful and failed conspiracies of varying kinds) as well as throwing large amounts of insults when somebody has sat down and pointed out an error.

Good lord, and I thought that you were a person with a modicum of intelligence. You cannot even debate the concepts of Machiavelli with ps. Perhaps you follow the later concepts. However, Machiavelli is still the master - I understand what ps meant when he stated,
I like Machiavelli but like all thinkers I find it hard to read him without going off on my own tangent of thought . It's a curse sometimes. :p



What argument do you have with these words and ideas?

Meh, he was just hitting on you.
I think we covered all the bases of Jewishness by now-
Speaks in absolutes, has a vague grip on reality, hates Aryans so much that he wants to dump all the blame for the world's problems on them and of course he is crass towards VNN's ladies.



So, you are complaining because you are not the "go to" man, one in a position of power and one to whom a plan, a concept is not revealed until it is deemed necessary by your superiors. Well, every movement and plan needs it's petit functionaries to carrry out the mundane tasks. Were you a NS or WN, you do not carry the credentials to be let in on anything beyond the task set before you by your commanding officer or superior.
One doesn't really need to have a whole staff of people to be a visionary, pure people follow the virtuous and give their life for that vision. It's not as if Hitler had a whole office of people sketching up his plans. Those ideas took him in a moment of glory.



I find a grown man pouting aloud rather disconcerting, as a woman. And, I already know what you think of women in general and women in the movement; we are to be ignored, because you consider females to be too insignificant to debate; believing perhaps that your your own intellect is far superior.
Jews love to denigrate women, especially Aryan women. I find the practice sickening enough that if I had to sloppily execute one id only ask for a pair of gloves first.


You seem to believe the same about Our Men as well. Ps understands why I am answering a post addressed to him; expressing my own view; and I rather doubt that he is offended by this.
No not at all, in fact it is the Aryan man and woman who work together that overcome. Much like any implement of war or work , a man requires his maintenance and women are very much like a mechanic in that regard. Without a good dinner I doubt id keep up a good spirit and its hard to keep up a fight without a good spirit. That and of course numerous other services that one doesn't notice until he lacks them! Well anyways, that aside I like to see a woman's take on things it often opens doors to new ideas.

But Jews, they really think we're all more or less the same cattle, women just being the whores. Funny enough the same Jews think sex with animals is normal.



No you have not. You have been complaining all week.

A Jew sees no more fault in himself than in his people. Jose doesn't see much fault in the Jew or himself, rather interesting in my opinion.


Translation: I cannot debate you psychological shock; so I will, instead, resort to crude insult. How very jewish of you, Joe Diaz
It is a crass insult and I would be sickened had I been younger and less experienced. Unfortunately I have met enough Jews to just yawn at that comment.


.

Ah, now, here it is revealed. You do not want to accept your ideal role as researcher and functionary. You wish to be a "mover and shaker", a creator of worlds. As would we all. However, that's not how WN or NS, in particular, works. What you have stated is nothing new to us; and how do you know there is not already such a plan in place? You do not, perhaps it is not your function to know. I accept that it's not my function to know. I accept my place without complaint because I know that the work I do, offline in particular, is important to the movement. I do not need to be a fuhrer.

It really doesn't matter who of us knows the important part is that the right people know and the Jews do not. Knowing is a burden, but if one does know he should happily accept it, if he does not then he should continue with his regular business virtuously. Like I said - id prefer a plan to cook until its ready, no one likes a dish cold.


No, that's not true. Secrecy in government and revolution and governance of the State is an essential element to success. And, if such "secret plans" are discovered by the wrong men, then failure results.
Absolutely, you'd actually be impressed by Yusupov's diaries. Those years were bad for Russia but if he hadn't blown Rasputin away it might have been even worse!

btw, this happens to be one of my favourite quotes by Machiavelli:

There are three classes of intellects; one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself, nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, and the third is useless. - from "The Prince".
Funny, I am reading that right now. Or at least I will in the morning! Its nifty to have it all saved. That statement is very accurate though - philosophers more or less wrote for students rather than other philosophers who generally could appreciate a work without reading it completely. The student read it completely and the first type of person wrote specifically for that second type of person to admire and for his fellow first people to become inspired. The third person, naturally, has always been under their feet and it's more or less manifested in the form of a Jew or a negro even though there are a few Aryans who have fallen. Falling is a popular concept in Aryan story telling though so it has never been looked at with such apathy as the fallen races look at one another.



Most politicians today rarely achieve political power without committing felonies and misdemeanors and various other crimes against the Folk that are not illegal -
Politicians more or less just lie and don't follow anything, rather they skew everything and murk it up for personal profit. They are most worthless scum.
My father and I discussed it today and we agreed that for true peace among brothers we need to return to the simplest of sentiments - the heritage, the color of the skin, the genotype. To be a citizen of this country would be merely to be White with no silly religious sentiments, or political ones or moral ones, no ideologies or any of that ridiculous crap. The simplest sentiment, one motion to kill 100 years of terror. What's funny is my father lived in Communism, I live in "Democracy" but the idea is more or less the same generation to generation, place to place. That just shows us one thing- our work is a righteous one and it survives any system and lives with any generation.


so, in essence you are stating that our Folk, and , more importantly, our future politicians must continue this corrupt practise. Despite the portion to contrary that I omitted from your statement, for that was just self-righteuos parrot talk - the above is what you really mean.
He desires to make us into slaves like the rest.



Chicken before the egg and vice versa, meh, that's not even a good slogan.
The statement made me laugh, Revolutions happen for Power , Power does not create revolutions - if there is power a Revolution is completely worthless. Excuse me but what dark place did this critter crawl out of?

You folks have your goals, objectives, aims, aspirations.......That's fine. But where is the strategy/plan to achieve them? If you have no strategy/plan to implement, then your getting nowhere. People here are just obsessed with jews. Some shit happens in the real world, your pissed mad, you log on to VNNF, let off the steam, lick your wounds, you log off, your back in the real world. This cycle is a part of the quotidian existence of VNNF's male members.

Why can't you people understand what J.Diaz is trying to say? I don't think he's jew-blind.

Hey, I'll make it simple for ya. All he's saying is that, 'We white racialists should stop this internecine bitching and we must stop tilting at windmills. We need an umbrella organisation, where the top leaders and the best brains thrash out the existing differences and chalk out a strategy to achieve time-bound goals. Unity is strength, so we need to reach out and recruit but our propaganda must not shock or scare them away. And I want all this in my lifetime.'

He's not asking for much, is he?

Coomar
Votary of the Occident

You folks have your goals, objectives, aims, aspirations.......That's fine. But where is the strategy/plan to achieve them? If you have no strategy/plan to implement, then your getting nowhere. People here are just obsessed with jews. Some shit happens in the real world, your pissed mad, you log on to VNNF, let off the steam, lick your wounds, you log off, your back in the real world. This cycle is a part of the quotidian existence of VNNF's male members.

Why can't you people understand what J.Diaz is trying to say? I don't think he's jew-blind.

Hey, I'll make it simple for ya. All he's saying is that, 'We white racialists should stop this internecine bitching and we must stop tilting at windmills. We need an umbrella organisation, where the top leaders and the best brains thrash out the existing differences and chalk out a strategy to achieve time-bound goals. Unity is strength, so we need to reach out and recruit but our propaganda must not shock or scare them away. And I want all this in my lifetime.'

He's not asking for much, is he?

Coomar
Votary of the Occident

People here are obsessed with jews, jews are a fascinating subject, I'm sure they are flattered as well as concerned with the attention. Overestimating jews is an oriental mind cage but any strategy has to aknowledge their formidable opposition or it will be on shakey foundations. No jews just right is the bottom line, then we can take an iconoclastic look at ourselves.

He's not asking for much, is he?

Well he is; he is asking people to tell what 'we'; if that were actually applicable to Racialism generally and White Nationalism in particular, are doing to bring about the victory of our varied politician ideals.

Nobody short of an extremely inept dilettante is going to tell him; a random nobody on a bulletin board open to and read by the public, what their plans are beyond a little flyering and talking to our kinsfolk about the issues that effect their daily lives.

To tell the globe; oh look this is our battle strategy, is just stupid, vapid and otherwise ridiculous. You certainly don't tell them; oh we want to a buy a television station, because they would then know approximately who would be involved and where to look. Its just saying 'this is my strategy; have all the time you like to think up a counter'.

Who is 'Joe Diaz'? He is a nobody; a nothing, this isn't particularly meant to be offensive to him, but it is just the truth of the matter. Who is going to tell a nobody if there was a plan let alone what the details of it are on a public board just because 'he wants to know'? Besides Racialism as it is currently is nothing but a series of shifting networks in both real life and cyberspace.

The bored and very deluded children in the 'anti-fa' movement don't announce to the world; generally speaking, when they are going to throw molotov cocktails at or beat up people because they are 'fascists'. In that they are right; not because they do those things (since that is criminal activity; which I specifically reject with a single qualifier about 'hate speech') but because they don't (usually) tell people they are going to do them, certainly not when and certainly not where.

If you see my point; Vijay.

You folks have your goals, objectives, aims, aspirations.......That's fine. But where is the strategy/plan to achieve them? If you have no strategy/plan to implement, then your getting nowhere. People here are just obsessed with jews. Some shit happens in the real world, your pissed mad, you log on to VNNF, let off the steam, lick your wounds, you log off, your back in the real world. This cycle is a part of the quotidian existence of VNNF's male members.

Why can't you people understand what J.Diaz is trying to say? I don't think he's jew-blind.

Hey, I'll make it simple for ya. All he's saying is that, 'We white racialists should stop this internecine bitching and we must stop tilting at windmills. We need an umbrella organisation, where the top leaders and the best brains thrash out the existing differences and chalk out a strategy to achieve time-bound goals. Unity is strength, so we need to reach out and recruit but our propaganda must not shock or scare them away. And I want all this in my lifetime.'

He's not asking for much, is he?

Coomar
Votary of the Occident


A second person who agrees with Josovasaur? I don't believe it, no I REALLY DON"T BELEBE IT...HAR HAR BLING A LING! Your "friends" are not helping any nigger (if you have any you are not giving a paw)

Then again, if I were a troll that had come to disrupt, I too would say that Josovasaur is a real asset for this place.

I haven't seen you making much of an argument or much in the way of a positive stand all week. All that you have done is keep making false premises based on the assumption that the jews are 'just like everybody else' (which is fundamentally a Marxist view derived from 'Social Christianity') and talking about 'jewish conspiracy theories' (nothing wrong with conspiracy theories per se; history is absolutely full of successful and failed conspiracies of varying kinds) as well as throwing large amounts of insults when somebody has sat down and pointed out an error.


Really? Have you actually read my posts or did you just do some of that Evelyn Wood Speed Reading shit?

The point I've been arguing all week is that a focus on Jews is non-productive if the real goal is the creation of a white state.

If you want to sit around and bitch about Jews then that's fine. You should certainly have a site on the Internet where you can go do that . . . just like people who believe they are vampires have a site and people who want to lose weight have a site.

But I honestly thought that the GOAL of white nationalism was the creation of a white state. If so, then your Jewphobia is unproductive.

I pointed out, for example, that many of the problems we face, are caused by Christians and secularists/atheists who have nothing to do with Jews.

I pointed out that Jewphobia attracts crazies and angry, twisted people, sociopaths and criminals . . . and therefore, unwanted attention from organizations like the ADL, SPLC and various branches of the Federal government.

I made the argument that we need to recruit massive numbers . . . and that to do so we have to be in tune with the problems of white society . . . and Jewphobia isn't one of them and never will be.

I argued and proved (I think) that the contention that Marxism is Jewish is total bullshit.

I argued that "Armageddonism" or the notion that there will be a catastrophe, American society will melt down, white nationalists will rise up and either kill or deport all undesirables . . . is a fantasy for children.

I provided some ideas on how we could in fact, separate ourselves from other races.

Finally, I even defined a certain time limit

a. The end of cheap oil to
b. The end of whites as a majority

as the window in which a white state must be achieved or else we run a very high risk of never achieving it.


Now, I understand that this has been spread out over several days and several threads, but it's all there in black & white. Very few have bothered to analyze the ideas or propose alternatives . . . and that's fine, not every one is a policy wonk.

Several have tried to debunk what I say . . . specifically MISS FRANCIS and LAUGHING STOCK . . . but I find them shallow, and their attempt to debate nothing more than pettifogging, nitpicking and stupid quibbling that ALWAYS evades the major thesis. They also rely on garbage top prove their points.

For example, I recently caught LAUGHING STOCK citing some phony, long-debunked piece of crap known as the RABBI EMERGENCY COUNCIL as evidence for his argument.

So if anyone wants to debate, I'm here Huckleberry . . . but I don't put up with idiots or idiocy.

The point I've been arguing all week is that a focus on Jews is non-productive if the real goal is the creation of a white state.

If you want to sit around and bitch about Jews then that's fine. You should certainly have a site on the Internet where you can go do that . . . just like people who believe they are vampires have a site and people who want to lose weight have a site.

But I honestly thought that the GOAL of white nationalism was the creation of a white state. If so, then your Jewphobia is unproductive.

I pointed out, for example, that many of the problems we face, are caused by Christians and secularists/atheists who have nothing to do with Jews.
joe, do you consider jews to be white?
what are your thoughts of zionism?
the neocon movement?

I pointed out that Jewphobia attracts crazies and angry, twisted people, sociopaths and criminals . . . and therefore, unwanted attention from organizations like the ADL, SPLC and various branches of the Federal government.

Well, communism attracts crazies too I'd say.

But I honestly thought that the GOAL of white nationalism was the creation of a white state. If so, then your Jewphobia is unproductive.


There is a difference between critique of jewish orgs, interests of group and ethnocentrism throughout history in a comparison with others etc etc, and with chimearical anti-semitism.
An argument can be rational but also irrational, the topic does not decide wether an argument is rational or irrational, rather the content and methodology behind the argumen, which is what to be debated as opposed to say that the very direction of a given critique is to be rejected.

I argued that "Armageddonism" or the notion that there will be a catastrophe, American society will melt down, white nationalists will rise up and either kill or deport all undesirables . . . is a fantasy for children.

Well, you mean you reject absolutism as so surely? There is a difference between that and to talk about potential revolts, uprisings and collapses of societal systems, since those tend to happen every now and then.

The point I've been arguing all week is that a focus on Jews is non-productive if the real goal is the creation of a white state.


Focusing on orgs, people and general huddles of interests that in general (present and historical) have been more than notably counter-productive to what one would aspire for, is not "non-productive". There are, however, unproductive ways of aspire for anything, or arguing for it.

I pointed out, for example, that many of the problems we face, are caused by Christians and secularists/atheists who have nothing to do with Jews.


Well many problems are caused by many people either doing or not doing something. This does not by default negate where power, interest and historical tendencies tend to have been at odds with its contemporary place or society in a (in hindsight) predictable manner. If going by sheer numbers, then the reason why there is a problem in achieving a more homogenous country, ethnitically, would generally put focus on the largest ethnic populus thereof (again in them either doing or not doing anything). When it comes to nordic people, the latter is more descriptive than the former (ie not doing).

Because I have come to believe that Anti-Semitism and Anti-Niggerism . . . or Anti-Anything-ism . . . are all political dead-ends.

Actually, to say that Anti-ism will no longer achieve anything is a misstatement. It does achieve the end of making all white nationalists a laughingstock


I don't care if anyone laughs at me for my opinions. the moment I do, then I am in trouble.

if you think like a jew, that white people are dumb, then you might think this. that whites cannot udnerstand the room of tricks and mirrores that the jew has constructed. But I am an optimist that the truth comes out eventually, one way or another.




If you don't see or agree with that, then please explain to me how you see a white nationalist state evolving in what we today call the United States?

If you can do that in sufficient detail to be a realistic concept, then I will gladly join your ranks and admit that you are right and I am wrong.

I don't agree with you. jews are a problem. minorities are a problem. most people don't see this truth, but it is true nonetheless. truth is not a dead-end. truth is the doorway. you want to close that door, for some reason, I dont understand. We are holding that door open and pointing people to it. it's not just a door to political power, but a door to understanding the ways of the world today. you don't need to have a white nationalist state for our goals to move closer to reality. education. boycotts. not kissing minority ass anymore - in other words, not being puppets anymore for jews. I'm sure few whites want to be puppets- we can show them how not to be. once we are not their puppets, they have no power. that is a reasonable possibility, what I am talking about. but you want to give up. why?

I don't see why I should debate you.*

Why should I bother? You are the one trying to create 'a White State' [well jewish since you have a bee in your bonnet about the little darlings]; I am a National Socialist in the proper sense of the term. I have work to do and books that I need to finish/write besides (as EG can testify); I don't come here to play with jumped up little so and so's with delusions of grandeur. I come here to let off steam playing with jews and others; I work in the real world (towards the goals dictated by my ideology) not with cyberspace non-entities such as your august self.

But perhaps you should go talk to Ian Jobling; I am sure he will just love you.

Jonoleth (somebody I personally know; see below) might debate you though if you prove coherent enough.

* I gave up debating (new) Marxists some time ago and you are nothing special in that regard; rather average actually just with more hot wind than usual.

There is a difference between critique of jewish orgs, interests of group and ethnocentrism throughout history in a comparison with others etc etc, and with chimearical anti-semitism. Hello, Rebbe LionAxe. Got tired of defending jews on SF?

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I find a grown man pouting aloud rather disconcerting, as a woman. And, I already know what you think of women in general and women in the movement; we are to be ignored, because you consider females to be too insignificant to debate; believing perhaps that your your own intellect is far superior.

You seem to believe the same about Our Men as well.



EIREANN GODDESS,

You got me on one point . . . I have very little respect for any of the men here. Sorry, but when I see some idiot posting how happy he is about the murder of 15 and 16-year olds (Jewish or otherwise) . . . as far as I'm concerned . . . I'm reading the words of a pussy. Only cowards (and blacks) cheer the murder of women, children, innocents and noncombatants.

I also find the constant accusations leveled at the Jews very intellectually shallow and "niggerish." I don't see the difference between whites blaming Jews for everything and blacks blaming whites for everything. So yes, your men are idiots and cowards, and while there are some here that I respect, I think most of these "men" are totally useless and weak children who can't think for themselves and have no "sand in their character" as they used to say.

If I was part of a tribe of Huns and you and your men-folk another . . . let's just say that the boys and I would know exactly where to go to find our next batch of wives. :)


As far as PLANS . . . I have extensive experience in both Plans and Operations from both the commander's end and the trigger-puller end. A true Plan is like a script for future action. It takes weeks, sometimes months to visualize, war-game, work out details, coordinate, resource and gain concurrence. Physically, it may take one book or several books to communicate a plan.

But long before you achieve a Plan, you go through various stages of thought . . . brainstorming . . . development of a Vision . . . development of an End State . . . development of a Concept . . . development of a Scheme of Operations . . . development of an Outline . . . etc.

So, I'm not asking you or anyone to divulge any hidden secrets. I just want to understand your Vision of how you see us going from here to a white state.

I suspect that PSYCHOLOGICAL SHOCK has none. What he probably has is some murky version of Armageddonism that he's embarrassed to share because he knows it's bullshit . . . or he's fantasizing about something criminal. Why else the need for secrecy? Who does he need to hide from?

I'm not ashamed to be a white nationalist . . . or separatist. And I think we need to take our belief system out of the dark where we whisper about secret plots and conspiracies and worry about "the Fed" and "the ADL." We have a right to our political beliefs and regardless of what you all think, it's not the Jews stopping us from organizing ourselves . . . it US and our stupid fantasies and lack of critical thinking.

Which is why PS will never answer me, because he knows I'll rip his ideas to shreds and force him to re-think them. That's hard and very uncomfortable. He'd rather play "Machiavelli" with me and pretend he's got something hot going on.

What a joke. :rofl

Trust me, this is not the first time in my life I've dealt with this type of problem. It's very common.



Finally . . . as for this . . . .

I already know what you think of women in general and women in the movement; we are to be ignored, because you consider females to be too insignificant to debate; believing perhaps that your your own intellect is far superior.

Ouch. Where did that come from?

Let me tell you a story:

Stokely Carmichael was a young, big mouthed, but very intelligent, Negro activist in the 1960s. He was a key leader in SNCC (Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee) and the Black Panther Party. He later became very active in black nationalism and Pan-Africanism groups. We're talking a real radical here.

Late in the 1960s, female members of the New Left and especially SNCC were starting to explore what their role would be in a new socialist order. Would women be subordinate to men THEN as they were NOW? Would the emphasis on race and class ever bring any relief to sexism?

So a delegation of female SNCC members drafted a paper and put the question to Carmichael. They asked:

What will be the position of women in the New Socialist America?

His answer:

Horizontal.

That's a true story. And that, believe it or not, was the beginning of modern feminism in America - the Women's Lib version, and so on. Disaffected females from the New Left were pissed off because their radical men-folk still expected them to stay barefoot and pregnant.

I find that a funny story . . . and it seemed apropos . . . but back to your statement . . . you're wrong, and I'm not sure why you formed that opinion of me.

I'm a sweetheart and I'll debate anybody on any issue.

Bring it on.

For example, I recently caught LAUGHING STOCK citing some phony, long-debunked piece of crap known as the RABBI EMERGENCY COUNCIL as evidence for his argument.

So if anyone wants to debate, I'm here Huckleberry . . . but I don't put up with idiots or idiocy.
I looked up the so called disproof, lots of sources like to make broad generalized strokes of strong words; however, the funny thing is that the disproof completely hinges on a book called "They Never Said it"

A majority of the book relies on the typical Jewish he said she said which by the way is null and void on VNN. As far as it goes the book produces 0 evidence that this document is a fake and you yourself can look it up to ascertain that fact. In fact the existence of a so called "Baruch Levy" was only supposedly void by a Jewish scholar who failed to find any mention of this guy in Marx's works even though this was a letter published by a French Newspaper. La Revue de Paris has not been challenged on the claim and the only real anti argument is that Marx would have surely incinerated this letter.

This sort of nonsense and the Holocaust together make it obvious that there is no proof against the claim. Newspapers are primary sources and unless someone can prove that La Revue de Paris ever made a statement about this work the fact stands - such a letter did exist and there is only one way to disprove it didn't.

It's hard to believe that you even read the Communist manifesto.

Even if he read it he would not be able to properly assimilate it.

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HE'S A NIGGER! HE'S A NIGGER!...THROW HIS OUT! LOL!

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...boos playing joos are just about as convincing but far more amusing to watch

Hello, Rebbe LionAxe. Got tired of defending jews on SF?

If you mean did I get tired of debunking chimearical, irrational and generally incorrect statements masquerading as valid criticism of jews then... not really. Someone has to do it and you sure as heck-fire aren't, god forbid anything said about jews in a critical way should be erronous.

ive been a stooley carmichael fan for years

If you mean did I get tired of debunking...You never debunked anything, Rebbe. Lots of twisting, turning, weaseling, yes. Debunking? No.

Now you can spend the next hundred years trying to convince everyone here that the jews are a wonderful bunch of people, who are so misrepresented by the evil media, and if only we ignored all the facts we could grow to love them, but none of that would change the fact that they ain't White,

That is way far from being a fact.

You never debunked anything, Rebbe. Lots of twisting, turning, weaseling, yes. Debunking? No.

Right, what else than an argument from absolutes. The sad thing is that I think you actually believe that yourself. Call it a day and let the rational, cerebral specimens of nordic people deal with the misinformation instead.

Right, ...Of course I'm right, Rebbe.

Of course I'm right, Rebbe.

No, I've debunked and corrected several points/claims. We could certainly re-hash some of them if you feel confident enough. I'm guessing the answer is no?

No, I've debunked ...You never debunked anything, Rebbe. Lots of twisting, turning, weaseling, yes. Debunking? No.

You never debunked anything, Rebbe. Lots of twisting, turning, weaseling, yes. Debunking? No.

Keep repeating that until you turn blue, it doesn't make it correct.

I would gladly debate with you on any of the points I've made a correction or debunking on, yet I know you have the tendency to whisk yourself away from that, as you did just now.
I'll take that as a "no" to my invitation.

Keep repeating that until you turn blue, it doesn't make it correct.Truth hurts, huh Rebbe?

You'll find no twit like JJT moderating here to protect you.

Truth hurts, huh Rebbe?

You'll find no twit like JJT moderating here to protect you.

Apart from the lame cliché, you seem to be under the impression that I'm at constant risk of being banned. You wouldn't be wholly incorrect, since anything short of back-patting the next idiots drivel is equated as an attack on white nationalism, or deemed as "devisive". Yikes, run to the hills, we are being devided!

You are the mod of a house of cards (WNF; Wayne Nationalist Forum), Wayne. Never forget that. You are inherently adversed to any form of criticism which would scrutinize the crap spouted that, as I said earlier, masquerades as valid criticism of jews or what have you.

Trim the hedges, do not let the weed grow just because you fear it might be "devisive" to correct and debunk that which needs to be so. Banning borderline mental patients does not count.

Diaz, you asked this question:


If you don't see or agree with that, then please explain to me how you see a white nationalist state evolving in what we today call the United States?

If you can do that in sufficient detail to be a realistic concept, then I will gladly join your ranks and admit that you are right and I am wrong.

I answered your challenge with a reasonable answer and you never responded.

You are the mod of a house of cards (WNF; Wayne Nationalist Forum), Wayne. Still upset that we saw through your attempt to circumvent our rules, Rebbe? There are boards for you jew-lovers. Ours isn't one of them.

Just like the jews, you tried to infiltrate a place where you weren't wanted. You got evicted, something that always happens to jews.

Just like the jews, you tried to infiltrate a place where you weren't wanted. You got evicted, something that always happens to jews.

And just like the jew he has illusions of self importance...he sees himself as the single source of universal truth...in every subject he interferes he's merely there to let the "truth" be known.

Why he's the very embodiment of perfection!..T.J.B.

And just like the jew he has illusions of self importance...he sees himself as the single source of universal truth...in every subject he interferes he's merely there to let the "truth" be known.

Why he's the very embodiment of perfection!..T.J.B.Exactly. He's here to "teach" us all about the jews. Hence, Rebbe.

That is way far from being a fact.

I take it you see yourself as some sort of comedy act?

I can't think of any other reason for your silly comment.

Exactly. He's here to "teach" us all about the jews. Hence, Rebbe.

Yep, the ever eager teaching Rebbe. His teachings are nothing more than his own perversions, as long as he declares it "truthful" who ever can dispute such a claim?

I can't think of any other reason for your silly comment.

Apparently you can't see your ignorance, yet that is obvious.

Apparently you can't see your ignorance, yet that is obvious.

"Yawn*

More gibberish from someone talking smack.

You've had two chances to say something of at least passing interest or intelligence, you've failed miserably.

Now do you have something to say, or are you just trying to prove you're an idiot?

"Yawn*

Now do you have something to say, or are you just trying to prove you're an idiot?

You can not refer to Jews in racial terms , because we are far from being a race , but several groups with some common tradition.

To be accurate , many Jews , or even most of them are European in genetic division , so for racial purposes , it is fact that many Jews are White.

DID YOU GET THAT , NOW?

"Yawn*

Now do you have something to say, or are you just trying to prove you're an idiot?

You can not refer to Jews in racial terms

So that's obviously a no then?

I can refer to them in racial terms, and if you scroll up you will see that in fact I have already done so.

because we are far from being a race , but several groups with some common tradition.

Yeah, the old switcheroo, it's pretty boring kid, been there, played that game.

You're only a race when you want to be, and when you don't want to be you tell us about Sammy Davis jr. and pretend you're a religion.

Boring...

To be accurate , many Jews , or even most of them are European in genetic division , so for racial purposes , it is fact that many Jews are White.

Now piss off to google, and go research the subject, and you'll find you are wrong.

Now piss off to google, and go research the subject, and you'll find you are wrong.

Here you go muppet, I'll even start you off on your quest

http://www.cjp.org/page.html?ArticleID=127667

http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp

There's thousands of more pages, and research papers, etc., so if you get bored with those you can find others.

To be accurate , many Jews , or even most of them are European in genetic division , so for racial purposes , it is fact that many Jews are White.Accurate? No. Accurately, you are a semitic tribe that is far closer to your Arab cousins than you are to us.

You can not refer to Jews in racial terms , because we are far from being a race , but several groups with some common tradition.

To be accurate , many Jews , or even most of them are European in genetic division , so for racial purposes , it is fact that many Jews are White.

DID YOU GET THAT , NOW?

What part of Europe do Jews historically hail from? If Jews are European, why do they claim Israel as their ancestral homeland? :rofl

And just like the jew he has illusions of self importance...he sees himself as the single source of universal truth...in every subject he interferes he's merely there to let the "truth" be known.

Why he's the very embodiment of perfection!..T.J.B.

Ah yes, Sepp. The proverbial sidekick of back-patting Wayne, hoping for some crums of his approval. I should have expected you to jump in, doing just that.

The fact is I do not have any illusions of how and why I argued a point, whereas others do.

Exactly. He's here to "teach" us all about the jews. Hence, Rebbe.

What I do is to correct and debunk points which need to be corrected and at times completely discarded, the reason much of it has to do with jews is because that 95% of the information spouted 24/7 are about that popular topic.

The problem with you and the brown-nosed cohorts of your attitude-ilk is that you are not all that different from antis sheeple. You have a more or less one-dimensional, dogmatic and general blind faith in the bulk of the stuff lauded against jews, regarding it as virtuous by the fact that it is critical of them... as opposed to make sure it is not incorrect or just utterly stupid.

You can not refer to Jews in racial terms , because we are far from being a race , but several groups with some common tradition.

Although protean, Jews share commonalities and have made it clear that being Jewish is not a question of religion, they don't care for converts or dubious Jews. Is it true that Jews who immigrate to Israel are tested for genetic markers?


To be accurate , many Jews , or even most of them are European in genetic division , so for racial purposes , it is fact that many Jews are White.

I have seen some white Jews but there were hints of something different. To say European genetically would be inaccurate and Asiatics can look pale.

I can refer to them in racial terms, and if you scroll up you will see that in fact I have already done so.


And that is what makes you an idiot.


You're only a race when you want to be, and when you don't want to be you
I happened to hear this stupid claim from several stupid antisemits , yet I am Jewish and I know some of the Jewish news and the Jewish literature and I never encountered anyone Jewish that refer Jews as a race besides one poet in 1929 which was pro fascist and was influenced from the fascist party in Italy , and I guess that even moron like yourself that most Jews didn't accept his attitude or know anything about it.

And that is what makes you an idiot.



I happened to hear this stupid claim from several stupid antisemits , yet I am Jewish and I know some of the Jewish news and the Jewish literature and I never encountered anyone Jewish that refer Jews as a race besides one poet in 1929 which was pro fascist and was influenced from the fascist party in Italy , and I guess that even moron like yourself that most Jews didn't accept his attitude or know anything about it.

And that is what makes you a liar.


<H3 align=center>RACE OR RELIGION?

<B> What have the Jews themselves to say about "race or religion?" The following quotations put the reader in possession of information regarding the Jew's own thought of himself as a member of a separate people, quite aside from the consideration of his religion.

Leo N. Levi, President of B'nai B'rith, 1900-1904:
"The distinctive character of the Jew does not arise solely from his religion. It is true that his race and religion are indissolubly connected, but whatever be the cause of this junction of the race idea with the religion, it is very certain that the religion alone does not constitute the people. A believer in the Jewish faith does not by reason of that fact become a Jew. On the other hand, however, a Jew by birth remains a Jew, even though he abjures his religion."
Graetz, the historian of the Jews, whose monumental work is one of the standard authorities, says that the history of the Jews, even since they lost the Jewish State,
"still possesses a national character; it is by no means merely a creed or church history."
Moses Hess, one of the historic figures through whom the whole Jewish Program has flowed down from its ancient sources to its modern agents, wrote a book entitled "Rome and Jerusalem" in which he stated the whole matter with clearness and force:
"The Jews are something more than mere 'followers of a religion,' namely, they are a race, a brotherhood, a nation." (p. 71).

"A Jew belongs to his race and consequently also to Judaism, in spite of the fact that he or his ancestors have become apostates." (pp. 97-98).

"Every Jew is, whether he likes it or not, solidly united with the entire nation." (p. 163).

"Jewish religion is, above all, Jewish patriotism." (p. 61).
Louis D. Brandeis, Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States and world leader of the Zionist movement, wrote in his book "Zionism and the American Jews," -
"Despite the meditations of pundits or the decrees of councils, our own instinct and acts, and those of others, have defined for us the term 'Jew'."
Rabbi Morris Joseph, sometime of the West London Synagogue of British Jews, writes in his book "Israel a Nation," -
"Israel is assuredly a great nation . . . Israel is recognized as a nation by those who see it; no one could possibly mistake it for a sect. To deny Jewish nationality you must deny the existence of the Jew."
The Jewish barrister, Bertram B. Benas, writes in "Zionism - the National Jewish Movement," --
"The Jewish entity is essentially the entity of a People."
Leon Simon, a brilliant and impressive Jewish scholar and writer, makes an important study of the question of "religion and nationality," in his volume, "Studies in Jewish Nationalism." He makes out a case for the proposition that the religion of the Jews is Nationalism, and that Nationalism is an integral part of their religion:
"The Messianic Age means for the Jew not merely the establishment of peace on earth and good will to men, but the universal recognition of the Jew and his God (p. 14).

"Judaism has no message of salvation for the individual soul, as Christianity has; all its ideas are bound up with the existence of the Jewish nation." (p. 20).

"The idea that Jews are a religious sect, precisely parallel to Catholics and Protestants, is nonsense." (p. 34).
Arthur D. Lewis, a Jewish writer, in his "The Jews a Nation," also bases nationality on the racial element:
"The Jews were originally a nation, and have retained more than most nations one of the elements of nationality - namely, the race element; this may be proved, of course, by the common-sense test of their distinguishability. You can more easily see that a Jew is a Jew than that an Englishman is an Englishman."
The idea that the Jews comprise a nation is the most common idea of all - among Jews. Not only a nation with a past, but a nation with a future. More than that - not only a nation, but a Super-Nation. We can go still further on the authority of Jewish statements: we can say that the future form of the Jewish Nation will be a kingdom.

Elkan N. Adler says:
"No serious politician today doubts that our people have a political future."
This future political definiteness and power was in the mind of Moses Hess when he wrote in 1862 - mark the date! - in the preface of his "Rome and Jerusalem," these words:
"No nation can be indifferent to the fact that in the coming European struggle for liberty, if may have another people as its friend or foe."
Hess, complaining of the inequalities visited upon the Jews, was saying that what the individual Jew could not get because he was a Jew, the Jewish Nation would be able to get because it would be a nation. He warns the Gentile nations to be careful, because in that "coming struggle" there would be another nation in the list, the Jewish Nation, which could be the friend or foe of any it chose.

Dr. Israel Friedlaender says:
"It is enough for us to know that the Jews have always felt themselves as a separate race, sharply marked off from the rest of mankind."
As to the problems of the Jewish Nation, there is plenty of Jewish testimony to the fact that the influence of Americanism is harmful to Jewish life; that is, they are in antagonism, like two opposite ideas. And that Zionism is the modern rallying point for Jewish nationalism. The actual beliefs of the most active and influential part of Jewry in America are demonstrated in a work published by the Zionist Organization of America, "Guide to Zionism,"
"The name of their national religion, Judaism, is derived from their national designation. An unreligous Jew is still a Jew, and he can with difficulty escape his allegiance only by repudiating the name of Jew."
</B></H3>

What I do is to correct and debunk points which need to be corrected and at times completely discarded, the reason much of it has to do with jews is because that 95% of the information spouted 24/7 are about that popular topic.

The problem with you and the brown-nosed cohorts of your attitude-ilk is that you are not all that different from antis sheeple. You have a more or less one-dimensional, dogmatic and general blind faith in the bulk of the stuff lauded against jews, regarding it as virtuous by the fact that it is critical of them... as opposed to make sure it is not incorrect or just utterly stupid.

I agree with you. I do not know why others on this forum are taking offense to your statements. I do not know of the other things you have posted on other message boards, but I have read through your posting history here and I can find nothing to take offense to or find any hint of philo-Semitism within.

When we talk about the problems that face our people, we cannot see it through some overly moralistic "good vs. evil" lens, nor can we absolve ourselves of our own historical failures that led us down this path.

While I think it is relevant to talk about how Jews historically oppose and undermine the ethnic interests of Whites, to lay blame of every problem upon them is overly simplistic and detrimental to furthering our aims as WN.

Here you go muppet, I'll even start you off on your quest

http://www.cjp.org/page.html?ArticleID=127667

http://www.aish.com/societywork/sciencenature/Jewish_Genes.asp

There's thousands of more pages, and research papers, etc., so if you get bored with those you can find others.

I know those thousands of more pages ,and they are a conspiracy , it even have a name among experts "the four mothers conspiracy" don't waste your time on googling it because that's a real secret.
I will tell you all about it, it is quite simple , but before that I would like you to explain me one thing.

Those sources you quote , are heavily Jewish. What makes an antisemite like yourself , believe blindly in those Jewish resources?

I never encountered anyone Jewish that refer Jews as a race besides one poet in 1929 which was pro fascist and was influenced from the fascist party in Italy.

Then you really should shut up wittering on here and research as has already been suggested.

I know those thousands of more pages ,and they are a conspiracy

Yeah, the jewish scientists of the world are ganging up against the jews, ain't they?

:rolleyes:


Those sources you quote , are heavily Jewish. What makes an antisemite like yourself , believe blindly in those Jewish resources?

I don't, they were just the first two to turn up on google, like I said, there are thousands more, from thousands of different sources.

Obviously being about jewish genetics a significant number are going to be jewish orientated, (after all, do you expect the black race to be interested in searching the origins of the jewish race?) but there is enough research to comprehensively prove that the jews are not White, and furthermore, they do not claim to be White, unless they feel it's convenient.

So there you go, at the end of it all your silly, idiotic statements were shown to be just that, silly an idiotic, and showed I was right, you are just here to make silly noises, and waste everyones time.

What I do is to correct and debunk ...You never debunked anything, Rebbe. Lots of twisting, turning, weaseling, yes. Debunking? No.

Wishing doesn't make it so, Rebbe.

Making spurious claims about what I believe is a very jew thing to do. There is more than enough truth to jew actions (http://www.white-nationalist.info/primer/index.php). I have no need to invent anything.

You never debunked anything, Rebbe. Lots of twisting, turning, weaseling, yes. Debunking? No.

Wishing doesn't make it so, Rebbe.

Making spurious claims about what I believe is a very jew thing to do. There is more than enough truth to jew actions (http://www.white-nationalist.info/primer/index.php). I have no need to invent anything.

Mmm indeed. By that statement it would mean that Einstein plagiarized, failed in maths, the Moon Landing was faked, any bits of "9/11 truther"-drivel is correct despite at times contradicting each others claims, anything said about Jews and Judaism is correct as long as it puts them in a negative light (that's all that matters right?), Stalin was a jew, The World Almanac is consistent and accurate, Pearl harbour was effectively an inside job, "Nazi" of the NS derivation came from "nazarite", the Holy Spear of Destiny is no myth but a real magical artifact which will, together with Himmler's secret codes, decipher the path to our salvation, american indians were nothing but wandering nomadic savages across the plains, the field of relativity in physics is pseudoscience, Jesus was an aryan prophet and the hebrews, the israelites were aryans, Jews are predominately khazarians, devices creating free-energy for us to use yet are put down by the NWO are real etcetc...

Repeating yourself with a mantra as an excuse to put some superficial security upon your one-dimensional attitude of insecurity is rather Dershowit'esque of you too, dear Wayne.

By that statement it would mean ... Making spurious claims about what I believe is a very jew thing to do. There is more than enough truth to jew actions (http://www.white-nationalist.info/primer/index.php). I have no need to invent anything.

It means only what it says, Rebbe, no matter how much you try to jewspeak it.

Making spurious claims about what I believe is a very jew thing to do. There is more than enough truth to jew actions (http://www.white-nationalist.info/primer/index.php). I have no need to invent anything.

It means only what it says, Rebbe, no matter how much you try to jewspeak it.

I didn't really have to make any far fetched statements since you are pretty much handing me your unintential surrender with repeating the above, lame mantra. I could do that too, but I never found relevant facts to be that pesky that I couldn't bring myself to argue on them.

Making spurious claims about what I believe is a very jew thing to do. There is more than enough truth to jew actions (http://www.white-nationalist.info/primer/index.php). I have no need to invent anything.

It means only what it says, Rebbe, no matter how much you try to jewspeak it.


well said. I'd add that intellectual honesty is important. and making absurd zealous claims about jews puts off a lot of people.

I didn't really have to make any far fetched statements ...Liar. You already did.

By that statement it would mean that Einstein plagiarized, failed in maths, the Moon Landing was faked, any bits of "9/11 truther"-drivel is correct despite at times contradicting each others claims, anything said about Jews and Judaism is correct as long as it puts them in a negative light (that's all that matters right?), Stalin was a jew, The World Almanac is consistent and accurate, Pearl harbour was effectively an inside job, "Nazi" of the NS derivation came from "nazarite", the Holy Spear of Destiny is no myth but a real magical artifact which will, together with Himmler's secret codes, decipher the path to our salvation, american indians were nothing but wandering nomadic savages across the plains, the field of relativity in physics is pseudoscience, Jesus was an aryan prophet and the hebrews, the israelites were aryans, Jews are predominately khazarians, devices creating free-energy for us to use yet are put down by the NWO are real etcetc...Try again, Rebbe.

And that is what makes you an idiot.



I happened to hear this stupid claim from several stupid antisemits , yet I am Jewish and I know some of the Jewish news and the Jewish literature and I never encountered anyone Jewish that refer Jews as a race besides one poet in 1929 which was pro fascist and was influenced from the fascist party in Italy , and I guess that even moron like yourself that most Jews didn't accept his attitude or know anything about it.Are kikes a race or religion?
Personally, I couldn't give a fat :[] rat's ass what you call yourselves, all I know or even care to know is that you are nothing more than a swarm of self-identified vermin!
A nasty, loathsome, bloody boil on the anus of humanity!
To engage you filthy creatures in argument beyond that is an extraneous and excruciating exercise in the tedium of minutia!
Much like your talMUD!T.J.B.
P.S. Kudos to ErieanneGoddess, Karl Radl and others who do yeoman's work in keeping you fecal-philitic, pestilent pustules properly penned so the rest of us won't have to!:o
EG and HERR RADL on the job!
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Ladies and Gentlemen!

Thrill seekers, and Spill seekers!

Step right up!

We have for you freaks-a-plenty, the strange, the twisted, the macabre!

Step right up!

Come see the morbid, mysterious, ever-morphing jew!

I fail to see the point. Why would I study Kabalah or Talmud when I am non-religious?

"Oy Vey, Oy Vey, Oy Vey" says the jew, "It's not about religion, we're a poor persecuted race!"

Then, Ladies and Gentlemen, right before your very eyes, marvel as the morbid, mysterious, ever-morphing jew morphs!

I am Jewish and I know some of the Jewish news and the Jewish literature and I never encountered anyone Jewish that refer Jews as a race.

"Oy Vey, Oy Vey, Oy Vey" says the jew, "I have never encountered anyone Jewish that refers to Jews as a race, we're a poor persecuted religion!"

See how he twists and turns, and how he morphs before your very eyes, one minute one thing, the next minute an other, always pleading the victim, whilst always insulting, and spewing bile!

Ladies and Gentleman, I give you the jew!

People here are obsessed with jews, jews are a fascinating subject, I'm sure they are flattered as well as concerned with the attention. Overestimating jews is an oriental mind cage but any strategy has to aknowledge their formidable opposition or it will be on shakey foundations. No jews just right is the bottom line, then we can take an iconoclastic look at ourselves.


We . . . unless your basic assumption is wrong and "no Jews just right" is essentially a flawed foundation.

There is such a thing as diminishing returns. There are some Jews in position of power who have fucked up our nation. But when you begin to put the hammer down on the remaining 5 or 6 million, you waste time . . . and you let all the other criminals escape.

I repeat an earlier argument . . . Sam Walton, Ken Lay and Henry Ford were not Jews, were not controlled by Jews and were not working for Jewish goals. So in your enthusiasm for "no Jews just right" you're allowing the true rats and villains to scurry away.

Well he is; he is asking people to tell what 'we'; if that were actually applicable to Racialism generally and White Nationalism in particular, are doing to bring about the victory of our varied politician ideals.

Nobody short of an extremely inept dilettante is going to tell him; a random nobody on a bulletin board open to and read by the public, what their plans are beyond a little flyering and talking to our kinsfolk about the issues that effect their daily lives.

To tell the globe; oh look this is our battle strategy, is just stupid, vapid and otherwise ridiculous. You certainly don't tell them; oh we want to a buy a television station, because they would then know approximately who would be involved and where to look. Its just saying 'this is my strategy; have all the time you like to think up a counter'.


Our "battle strategy?" :rofl

What a crock of shit.

You sound like a 12-year old playing RISK.

Your understanding of politics, history, revolution and mass movements is so abysmal that my advice to you, sir, is to turn off the History Channel and switch "games."

Try checkers.

We . . . unless your basic assumption is wrong and "no Jews just right" is essentially a flawed foundation.

There is such a thing as diminishing returns. There are some Jews in position of power who have fucked up our nation. But when you begin to put the hammer down on the remaining 5 or 6 million, you waste time . . . and you let all the other criminals escape.

I repeat an earlier argument . . . Sam Walton, Ken Lay and Henry Ford were not Jews, were not controlled by Jews and were not working for Jewish goals. So in your enthusiasm for "no Jews just right" you're allowing the true rats and villains to scurry away.

Why Henry Ford? He made the automobile affordable to the average working class American, treated his employees decently, and did his best to expose the jew. Oh, wait, silly me, he exposed the jew, of course. THAT makes him a villian in some circles.

:nigalert:Our "battle strategy?" :rofl

What a crock of shit.

You sound like a 12-year old playing RISK.

Your understanding of politics, history, revolution and mass movements is so abysmal that my advice to you, sir, is to turn off the History Channel and switch "games."

Try checkers.T.N.B.:monkeynig:NIGGER, PUH-LEEZE!!!:hangnig:

I repeat an earlier argument . . .

But we all saw that argument was hugely flawed, in fact you made such a complete idiot of yourself that you chimped out, ran away and made silly excuses for why you wouldn't ever speak to me again because I'd made you look like a fool.

Yet here you are, pretending all of that never occurred, and trying to put it forward again like something fresh, and relevant.

We've watched you make a fool of yourself, chimp out, lie, and make up silly fairy tales.

You do realize that all that leaves you with zero credibility, ever, don't you?

Even if you now broke the habit of a lifetime, and said something reasonably intelligent, people would look at it and say "I wonder..." before telling themselves that it came from that kid who liked to lie a lot, make things up a lot, and throw hissy fits on the internet, and then they'd dismiss it, just because of that.

Oh, and remember junior, I didn't call you by your silly title, so you can't answer (your silly rules, not mine).

Why Henry Ford? He made the automobile affordable to the average working class American, treated his employees decently, and did his best to expose the jew. Oh, wait, silly me, he exposed the jew, of course. THAT makes him a villian in some circles.

Not only Henry Ford was a capitalist who actually worked against himself by refusing to exploit his workers, but he was not even close to being a mover or shaker. Henry Ford didn't have any stocks in the Federal Reserve and in fact his book the "International Jew" was written by many years of research rather than observation. This means simply that he was not in any circles. Naturally he was a speck compared to giants such as Warberg, Schiff and Rockefeller. Jose is just trying to dump the blame on the Gentiles but that is a straight up lie.

joe, do you consider jews to be white?
what are your thoughts of zionism?
the neocon movement?


Jews White? Easy . . . Of course. Unless we can agree on some definition of "whiteness" that excludes them what choice do I have? What do you mean by white?

Zionism? Complicated.

Neocons? Much more complicated.

I've promised to not be on the computer for long so I'm going to lay out some quick thoughts. If they're insufficient, please let me know where I'm being unclear or obtuse.

................................................

First of all I have learned to respect all adversaries and analyze their capability objectively. So I respect Zionists and Zionism. What the Jews did in Palestine under the Brits and since. . . . some of their their military campaigns (certainly not all) . . . their single-minded, under-handed and devious manipulation of other nations . . . their love of country . . . their courage . . . all of these things are worthy of emulation and respect.

For example, did you know that in the Israeli Air Force, once fighters are in the air, the best, most aggressive pilot takes command . . . not necessarily the guy with the senior rank? We have learned a lot from the Israelis. They're great warriors.

Israel also made huge contributions to the defense of the Suez Canal, the containment of the Soviet Union, the control of access to the Mediterranean Sea by Soviet Black Sea naval forces and basically helped prevent Soviet domination of the Middle east - which would have been fatal for the US and Europe.

I mean, you didn't really think we supported Israel all those years just because we loved Jews so much, did you? :)

Here's another one: Do you really think that it's a coincidence that the story of the Holocaust reached mythical proportions at the same time as the Suez Canal was losing its importance to oil shipping? VLCC (Very large Crude Carriers) and ULCC (Ultra large Crude Carriers) are currently unable to pass through the Canal. In fact the Straights Of Hormuz now has seven to eight times the volume of oil passing through it. Sea-lane "choke points" will always be critical to strategy . . . and the Suez Canal will always be important . . . but just not as important.

On the other hand, I believe the Zionist movement has been very cruel to-wards Palestinians and Israel has never been a good neighbor. I believe Zionism has shaped our Middle East policy in many ways that are detrimental to us. The Israelis I have known have all been military and pro-Zionism, pro-settlements on the West Bank, etc. They can be extremely arrogant people . . . often obnoxious. I also believe and strongly resent the way in which Israeli/Zionist agencies have penetrated the US government and manipulate US public opinion. Of course, I can understand it . . . and I can even say that I would do the same if I were in their shoes . . . but overall, Israel has not been a good friend to the US. Israel also has ties with China that are much too strong for my taste. Again, they owe us more allegiance than they're showing. But in all fairness . . . not all Israelis agree with pro-Chinese trade, US espionage, and West Bank settlements.

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Neocons?

"A liberal mugged by reality."

CILLIAN . . . it might be better to create this as a new thread because it is a huge topic that touches on the beliefs of many WNs.

Generally . . .

I do not think it is a "Jewish" movement.

It is strongly anti-communist . . . which I like . . . and which makes the claim that Neocons are part of a Jewish cabal . . . a little stupid.

In terms of foreign policy it is interventionist . . . which I really like.

I am a big believer in preemptive war and actually wrote my Masters thesis on the subject of preemption and deterrence.

I agree with Wolfowitz and the Bush Doctrine.

Essentially, what Wolfowitz argues is that both the countries friendly to the US . . . and those from which the US and its allies get the raw commodities needed to run their economies . . . must be protected.

I find that an imminently logical and realistic philosophy in a world running out of oil, with an exploding population and with the rising power of India and China.

Wolfowitz also argues about the need to control WMDs . . . nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Again, common sense.

I believe that we should defend ourselves, our allies and the places where we get our raw commodites. That means we must control the spread of WMDs.

We should have attacked Iraq long before 2003.

Well, you mean you reject absolutism as so surely? There is a difference between that and to talk about potential revolts, uprisings and collapses of societal systems, since those tend to happen every now and then.


Of course they do . . . but . . . you have to consider the context in which they happen.

I suspect, for example, that many WNs see the rise of Hitler out of the chaos of post-World War One Germany as a model for the future of the US. (Or else, they use some sort of Mad Max - Road Warrior apocalyptic scenario . . . :) )

But there are stark differences between the US and Germany.

Germany had a long tradition of Anti-Semitism. Germany had a starving population that had been blockaded since 1914 and had seen failed harvests along with a stripping of material to support the front. Germany had seen the death and wounding of an entire generation. Germany had a tradition of militarism. Germany had lost a war. Germany had millions of unemployed veterans. Communism was a new, potentially workable idea. Germany was full of political parties. Germany had not just changed governments . . . they had changed systems of government . . . a monarchy had been replaced my a military dictatorship and that was replaced by democracy. German honor and nationalism was under attack by the Allied Powers. Germany was forced to pay reparations.

Etc.

Germany also did not have 40 million Negroes and 30-35 million Mexicans to deal with.

German society had also not been undermined by multiculturalism and liberalism for 50 years.

So . . . I think that talking about "potential revolts, uprisings and collapses of societal systems" . . . as a way to achieve a WN state is nothing but intellectual masturbation.

I don't agree with you. jews are a problem. minorities are a problem. most people don't see this truth, but it is true nonetheless. truth is not a dead-end. truth is the doorway. you want to close that door, for some reason, I dont understand. We are holding that door open and pointing people to it. it's not just a door to political power, but a door to understanding the ways of the world today. you don't need to have a white nationalist state for our goals to move closer to reality. education. boycotts. not kissing minority ass anymore - in other words, not being puppets anymore for jews. I'm sure few whites want to be puppets- we can show them how not to be. once we are not their puppets, they have no power. that is a reasonable possibility, what I am talking about. but you want to give up. why?


I want to give up? That's an interesting interpretation of what I've been trying to argue! :rofl

You've been holding the door for 50 years . . . aren't your arms getting tired? Isn't your foot asleep? When's the last time you took a shower or got some sleep?

Look . . . this is a worthy political alternative: "you don't need to have a white nationalist state for our goals to move closer to reality. education. boycotts. not kissing minority ass anymore - in other words, not being puppets anymore for jews."

If that is your GOAL, then you are entitled to it, I respect you for having it and I wish you well.

But it's not my goal. I want to see total racial separation from the blacks and Mexicans within my lifetime. I want a white state open to European immigration (since Europe is turning into a bigger shit-hole than the US). I want a white state based on free enterprise, federalism and Christianity. And I want a white state that is militarily dominant and allied with other white states around the world to form a racial confederation.

I agree with you 100% . . . minorities are the problem.

Well said . . . not the jews . . . not the blacks . . . not the Mexicans . . . MINORITIES . . . social groups who have other loyalties, other ambitions, and no regard for the general welfare of the society. I include in this homosexuals, feminists, Indians, and all other of the "Identity Group Mosaic" that we have become.

I don't see why I should debate you.*

Why should I bother? You are the one trying to create 'a White State' [well jewish since you have a bee in your bonnet about the little darlings]; I am a National Socialist in the proper sense of the term. I have work to do and books that I need to finish/write besides (as EG can testify); I don't come here to play with jumped up little so and so's with delusions of grandeur. I come here to let off steam playing with jews and others; I work in the real world (towards the goals dictated by my ideology) not with cyberspace non-entities such as your august self.


Uh-huh . . . right . . . right . . . or else you're just a pussy.

I've met many like you, you know?

They hide behind their "books" and "research" and "intellectualism" when all they really are are just cowards afraid to compete and defend their ideas. Of course, they do come out when they have a class to teach . . . then they can bully and demean students who are powerless to defend themselves.

Well, I'll be here, Huckleberry. I'm not intelligent, wise, educated, intellectual or any other thing. I'm just a simple guy who can think for himself. I have also lost many times, been wrong many times and even gotten my ass kicked a few times.

So I'm not afraid to debate anyone. I'm not afraid to walk into a shit-hole like this and challenge your shibboleths.

You know where to find me whenever you grow some balls.

Originally Posted by faceless http://www.vnnforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=747551#post747551)
And that is what makes you an idiot.
I happened to hear this stupid claim from several stupid antisemits , yet I am Jewish and I know some of the Jewish news and the Jewish literature and I never encountered anyone Jewish that refer Jews as a race besides one


You lie and you know you lie, or else you are as ignorant as you appear. Many jewish geneticists have proving other wise and especially when it comes to tracing your priestly lines via genetics. The names and research is too lengthy to go into or to bother to list; given that my reply is directed to you, faceless. However, a google searrch makes this plain. jews consider themselves unique to all other races, including what you have referrred to as the "White" Race.

Why is it that of all the people in Europe, only jews retain the genetic signaure known as a set of DNA variations known as R1a1, you khazars do not care to discuss it much, this matter of race; however, jews more learned than yourself have described jews as a race.

Your closest European relatives are a few Turks whom converted to judaism and impregnated your females, your source of R1a1 comes from these people; this marker was inserted [no pun intended] into semtic dna not that long ago either, about a thousand years ago.

Not only Henry Ford was a capitalist who actually worked against himself by refusing to exploit his workers, but he was not even close to being a mover or shaker. Henry Ford didn't have any stocks in the Federal Reserve and in fact his book the "International Jew" was written by many years of research rather than observation. This means simply that he was not in any circles. Naturally he was a speck compared to giants such as Warberg, Schiff and Rockefeller. Jose is just trying to dump the blame on the Gentiles but that is a straight up lie.


Ford did mass produce automobiles and made them ubiquitous. From there, it was a fairly short historical skip to suburbs, which, I argued, have done more to destroy the white race than any other Jewish-inspired plot.

Ford's innovative use of mass production and assembly lines also changed how workers worked, and shaped our society in ways we still don't understand . . . but that wasn't my point. I was simply pointing to automobiles and suburbs as a cultural phenomena that shaped white destiny.

Can't any of you people read?

Ford did mass produce automobiles and made them ubiquitous. From there, it was a fairly short historical skip to suburbs, which, I argued, have done more to destroy the white race than any other Jewish-inspired plot.

Ford's innovative use of mass production and assembly lines also changed how workers worked, and shaped our society in ways we still don't understand . . . but that wasn't my point. I was simply pointing to automobiles and suburbs as a cultural phenomena that shaped white destiny.

Can't any of you people read?
What an idiotic statement. An automobile is a form of transportation and economic optimization. To blame the creator for the misuse of a technology is something only a Jew will do (Guns kill people bla bla bla White man bla bla bla)

Cars had absolutely no effect whatsoever in shaping destiny, countries such as France have the same consumerism and egalitarian thought in smaller towns even though most people can just walk to their stores, walk to their jobs and walk wherever they need to.

Compared to the Federal Reserve bank and its war mongering policies cars are just a little bit of nothing .

You're making the ridiculous (Jewish) assumption that its the technology that shapes people and that is a load of crock in most situations. A car doesn't form how a person thinks or perceives, its only another form of a consumer product. A car and a washing machine have little to separate them to a capitalist except their specific supplies and demands.

Ford did mass produce automobiles and made them ubiquitous. From there, it was a fairly short historical skip to suburbs

Ever read Dickens?

He mentioned the suburbs.

There was no skip from the automobile to the suburbs, the suburbs came first.

Had the automobile never existed the suburb still would.

Diaz, if your goal is racial separation then realize we had this once, but Jewish influence disallowed it. Yet you say jews are not a big problem?

Originally Posted by Joe Diaz http://www.vnnforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=747709#post747709)
Ford did mass produce automobiles and made them ubiquitous. From there, it was a fairly short historical skip to suburbs, which, I argued, have done more to destroy the white race than any other Jewish-inspired plot.

Ford's innovative use of mass production and assembly lines also changed how workers worked, and shaped our society in ways we still don't understand . . . but that wasn't my point. I was simply pointing to automobiles and suburbs as a cultural phenomena that shaped white destiny.

Can't any of you people read?


Ja, I've read Ayn Rand and the communist writers touting cultural marxism during the the 60s and 70s - they are an integral part of the educational propangda of American High Schools and Unis. Having studied the information I was to absorb into my psyche in order to become a proper American, I found that I could not; for statements such as you have made here, Joe Diaz, are just more protean bullshite.

Another great Diazism:


You've been holding the door for 50 years . . . aren't your arms getting tired?

That's right folks, we're to blame for Americas current plight, as we've secretly been in charge for 50 years, and held the door open.

But fear not, there is an alternative!


I agree with Wolfowitz and the Bush Doctrine.

So there you go folks, the gospel according to the insane, White Nationalists let all the non-Whites in, but if you vote for Bush he'll get you an all White Country.

:rolleyes:

Someone should point this joker to the 2000 Presidential election results...

What part of Europe do Jews historically hail from? :rofl

Somewhere near the "part of Europe" which is the source of the Germanic tribes -India!:rofl

What part of Europe do Jews historically hail from?

Seriously , there are two options , Spain and Italy.

If Jews are European, why do they claim Israel as their ancestral homeland? :rofl

Apparently because they are smarter then you , and they know that Israel is a better place.

Is it true that Jews who immigrate to Israel are tested for genetic markers?



No.
Only gentiles.

Can't any of you people read?

Yep. We can read OK. But only what you type, not your mind. You never said nuthin' 'bout no automobiles and suburbs, you just simply lumped Ford in with the bad guys, no explanation given about why.

And that is what makes you a liar.



No.
I didn't know those quotes and most of them refer to Jews as a nation , not race.
Even those very few which mentioned the word race , apparently , didn't meant to a genetic race.

No.
Only gentiles.

Good point . No one needs to test a nigger to know he's a nigger.

Seriously , there are two options , Spain and Italy.


so youve given up on the out of egypt story?

Then you really should shut up wittering on here and research as has already been suggested.

No need to.

Yeah, the jewish scientists of the world are ganging up against the jews, ain't they?

Not against the Jews.
they understand the significance of this claim better then you.

I don't, they were just the first two to turn up on google, like I said, there are thousands more, from thousands of different sources.

Yes you do.
And of course you didn't make your homework again.
There are very few of those researches and mostly all those legions of Internet pages are mostly quoting each other.

so youve given up on the out of egypt story?

No.
Judaism were established in place called Ur.
It is in the middle east but not in Egypt.

Yet , when you look at Jews genetically , you will find that most of them are not rooted in that region.

No need to.

No, for once you are absolutely correct, there is no need for you to research, you can continue to make silly claims and look stupid if you want, it's entirely your own prerogative.

And of course you didn't make your homework again.

Can you please trying talking in English?

There are very few of those researches and mostly all those legions of Internet pages are mostly quoting each other.

So says the guy who has told us that jews are really Italians, or... no, maybe Spanish, or...

:rolleyes:

Seriously , there are two options , Spain and Italy.
so youve given up on the out of egypt story?
No.
Judaism were established in place called Ur.
It is in the middle east but not in Egypt.

Ah, it all makes sense now, all jews are not of one single race, but they are all genetically White, because they come from Europe, Italy to be precise, or maybe Spain, possibly the middle eastern part of Italy, or Spain, but not the Egyptian/African part of the middle eastern part of European Italy, or Spain.

Glad we've got that sorted, now run along.

No.
Judaism were established in place called Ur.
It is in the middle east but not in Egypt.

Yet , when you look at Jews genetically , you will find that most of them are not rooted in that region.

see here is where they line bluring begins,
if you were to ask "where do jews originate from?" you first have to define jew and originate.

so if by jew we mean the first practitioner of judism
and if by originate we mean begin, as in, the location of the very first one.
we are left with "who was the first jew?" and there are varied opinions on this. i would say its abraham.

but who do you consider to be the first jew? and where was he born?

Why is it that of all the people in Europe, only jews retain the genetic signaure known as a set of DNA variations known as R1a1,

How unsurprisingly you insist to make a fool of yourself/

Here is a direst wikiquote:

R1a1 carrying Vikings,[2] settled in the British Isles, which accounts for the existence of it there.[13][14] R1a1 is spread across the whole of Europe, with the highest concentrations found in Poland. The two main directional components of the spread are consistent with an East to West migration as well as a radial spread from the Balkans. The latter is claimed to be a trace of the re-population of Europe after the Last Glacial Maximum from the Ukrainian refuge area[15]:



Brainless as always.:rofl

Ah, it all makes sense now, all jews are not of one single race, but they are all genetically White, because they come from Europe, Italy to be precise, or maybe Spain, possibly the middle eastern part of Italy, or Spain, but not the Egyptian/African part of the middle eastern part of European Italy, or Spain.

Glad we've got that sorted, now run along.

Off curse not all Jews are white.
We don't claim to be a "clean" or "pure" race.
We don't think it is healthy.

But then again , there are many Jews which are white.
not all of them.

We don't claim to be a "clean"

no argument here

Off curse not all Jews are white.

Not any of them, but carry on.

So you're now saying they are non-Whites who come from Europe, Italy to be precise, or maybe Spain, possibly the middle eastern part of Italy, or Spain, but not the Egyptian/African part of the middle eastern part of European Italy, or Spain, is that it?

We don't claim to be a "clean" or "pure" race.

What's this "We" business, girly?

Your boyfriend already told us that he did claim you were a race.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=747639&postcount=117

I fail to see the point. Why would I study Kabalah or Talmud when I am non-religious?

Remember, it's not about religion, it's about race, and if you disagree then perhaps you should argue with your boyfriend, rather than bothering the grown ups?

[quote=faceless;747753]Here is a direst wikiquote:
wikipedia, owned and run by jude and obviously biased - some source - did you not note the word "variations" in my quote, fool.

You are also using a strawman argument

Here are some other sourced findings, re jewish genetics dealing with the origins of khazar jews and sephardi juden -



Nicolas D. Kristoff. "Is Race Real?" (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/11/nyt.kristof/) The New York Times (July 11, 2003): Opinion section. Excerpt:"Among Jews, there are common genetic markers, including some found in about half the Jewish men named Cohen. But this isn't exactly a Jewish gene: The same marker is also found in Arabs."


Nicholas Wade. Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors (The Penguin Press, 2006). Excerpt from page 250:"The Y chromosomes of Ashkenazic and Sephardic levites show no particular simularity. ... There is, however, a strong genetic signature common to 52% of Ashkenazic levites.


It is a set of genetic variations belonging to a branch of the world Y chromosome tree known as R1a1. To judge by the amount of variation on these levite R1a1 chromosomes, the original ancestor seems to have entered the Jewish community about 1,000 years ago, roughly the time when Jewish settlement in northwest Europe began, in other words at the founding of the Ashkenazic community.


The geneticists who discovered the R1a1 signature among the levites, a team that included Skorecki, Hammer and Goldstein, note that outside the Jewish community the R1a1 chromosome is relatively common in the region north of Georgia, in the Caucasus, that was once occupied by the Khazar kingdom.


The Khazars were a Turkic tribe whose king converted to Judaism in the eighth or ninth century AD.


The geneticists propose that one or more of the Khazar converts may have become levites, accounting for the R1a1 signature among today's Ashkenazic levites.


Nicholas Wade. "Geneticists Report Finding Central Asian Link to Levites." (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/27/science/27GENE.html) The New York Times (September 27, 2003): A2. Excerpts:

"A team of geneticists studying the ancestry of Jewish communities has found an unusual genetic signature that occurs in more than half the Levites of Ashkenazi descent. ... The genetic signature occurs on the male or Y chromosome and comes from a few men, or perhaps a single ancestor, who lived about 1,000 years ago...


The new report, published in the current issue of the American Journal of Human Genetics, was prepared by population geneticists in Israel, the United States and England...


They say that 52 percent of Levites of Ashkenazi origin have a particular genetic signature that originated in Central Asia, although it is also found less frequently in the Middle East.


The ancestor who introduced it into the Ashkenazi Levites could perhaps have been from the Khazars, a Turkic tribe whose king converted to Judaism in the eighth or ninth century, the researchers suggest.


Their reasoning is that the signature, a set of DNA variations known as R1a1, is common in the region north of Georgia that was once occupied by the Khazar kingdom.


The signature did reach the Near East, probably before the founding of the Jewish community, but it is still rare there. ...


The present descendants of the Khazars have not been identified. ... If the patrilineal descent of the two priestly castes had indeed been followed as tradition describes, then... all Levites [should be descended] from Levi, the third son of the patriarch Jacob. ... But the picture among the Levites was less clear, suggesting that they had a mixed ancestry.



Dean H. Hamer. The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes (Doubleday, 2004). Excerpt from pages 191-192:"A recent study by Skorecki and colleagues uncovered a subgroup of Ashkenazic Levites who have a Y-chromosome pattern that is not seen in other priests, or indeed any major Jewish group, but is common in people around the mouth of the Volga River.


A little sleuthing revealed the historical connection. ... || ... Sometime in the eighth century, they [Khazars] decided to convert from paganism to monotheism.


Most of the common people became either Christian or Muslim, but the royal family and many members of the nobility opted for Judaism.


They continued to rule the region for nearly five hundred years as a Jewish state.


The DNA evidence shows that many of the Khazar converts declared themselves to be not only Jews but of the priestly caste. Thus the infusion of new genetic lines."

"Levite" (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=24469). MedTerms online medical dictionary.


David Keys. Catastrophe: An Investigation Into the Origins of the Modern World. New York: Ballantine Books, 2000. Keys summarizes M. G. Thomas, Karl L. Skorecki, H. Ben-Ami, Tudor Parfitt, Neil Bradman, D. B. Goldstein, "Origins of Old Testament Priests." (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=9671297&dopt=Citation) Nature 394 (July 9, 1998): 138-140. Excerpts from Keys' book:"DNA tests on Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews have revealed the possibility that at least one key section of the latter community may have genetic evidence of a potentially large-scale or even mass conversion which must have taken place sometime after around A.D. 700....


the only known mass conversion within that time frame and in that geographical area was that of the Khazars in the eighth century.


Significantly, the section of the Ashkenazi community whose DNA may suggest a partially convert origin is that section which up till now had traditionally been said to be wholly descended from the Assistant Priests of ancient Israel....


By analyzing Y chromosomes from a sample of both Levite and non-Levite populations in both Sephardic and Ashkenazi communities, geneticists have discovered that an astounding 30 percent of Ashkenazi non-Cohenic Levites have a particular || combination of DNA material on part of their Y-chromosome that is not shared to any extent by either non-Levite Ashkenazi Jews or the Sephardic community as a whole.


This genetic marker does not even show up among the Cohens (descendants of the ancient Israelite Chief Priests) - but only among the descendants of Assistant Priests, and then only within Ashkenazi (northern European) Jewry.


What seems to have happened is not only a potentially large-scale conversion of non-Jewish people, almost certainly Khazars, to Judaism, but also the adoption of Levite (Assistant Priest) status by a substantial number of the Khazar converts....


A tenth-century letter of recommendation from the Jewish community of Kiev to Jewish communities outside Khazaria was signed by Jews with traditional Turkic names whose almost certainly Turkic Khazar ancestors had adopted second names... indicating that they saw themselves as descendants or close associates of the ancient tribe of Levi....


Adoption of Cohenic or ordinary Levitical status by converts was and is expressly forbidden by rabbinical law, so the Khazars had to develop a mythic national history that gave them the right to Levitical status. They claimed that they were the descendants of one of the lost tribes of Israel and were not converts at all but merely returnees to Judaism.


Furthermore, the tribe they claimed ancestry from was that of Simeon, the brother of the founder of the tribe of Levi.... Probably it was the old pre-Jewish Khazar priests - the qams - who at the conversion had become Levites en masse..." (excerpts from pages 99-100)


Peter Hirshberg, with reporting by Jane Logan. "Decoding the Priesthood." Jerusalem Report (May 10, 1999). Summary:The topic is the discovery of a "Cohen" gene in the genetic make-up of an African people called Lemba who claim to be Cohens and Jews. The Lemba have the same proportion of the gene as "Western" Jews and a remarkably high frequency among their Buba clan, a senior clan parallel to our Cohens.


The story makes further extensive references to the Lemba, all quite positive with regard to their Jewish origins. Another fascinating part of the story is that researchers came up with a genetically indicated timeline as to when the original Cohen forefather (Aaron) lived.


Using a method for genetic dating based on the rate at which certain bits of the Y chromosome mutate, they found that the date was about 3,000 years ago, consistent with the oral Jewish tradition.


Nicholas Wade. "Group in Africa Has Jewish Roots, DNA Indicates." The New York Times (May 9, 1999). Excerpts:

"A team of geneticists has found that many Lemba men carry in their male chromosome a set of DNA sequences that is distinctive of the cohanim, the Jewish priests believed to be the descendants of Aaron.


The priestly genetic signature is particularly common among Lemba men who belong to the senior of their 12 groups, known as the Buba clan...


A colleague in Hammer's and Skorecki's research was Neil Bradman, a businessman who is now chairman of the Center for Genetic Anthropology at University College, London.


Bradman set about making a wider study of Jewish populations around the world through the lens of the Y chromosome technique. One recruit to Bradman's project is David B. Goldstein, a population geneticist at Oxford University in England... "The problem is there has been intermingling with host populations, and that has obscured their common ancestry," Goldstein said...



Erik Hakimian. "Jewish Genes." (http://www.mycweb.com/megillah/jul2000/jewish_genes.html) Megillah (July 2000). Excerpts:"In a second study, more DNA samples were gathered and the selection of Y chromosome markers was expanded. It was discovered that a particular array of six chromosomal markers were in 92 percent Cohens tested. This collection of markers came to be known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH) and is the standard genetic signature of the Jewish priestly family... This second study solidified the theory of the common ancestry of Cohens." "Jewish Priestly Line Maintains Legacy - and Genetic Marker." IsraelWire (September 23, 1998). Excerpts:"...Based on a study of 306 Jewish men in Israel, Canada and England, the researchers discovered that the 106 Jews who had identified themselves as kohanim shared genetic markers in their Y chromosomes that members of the general Jewish population did not...


The study also found a predominance of certain chromosome features in kohanim of both Ashkenazi and Sephardi origin...


Martha Molnar. "Priestly Gene Shared By Widely Dispersed Jews." (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/07/980714071409.htm) Press Release. 10 July 1998.

Edward Rothstein. "DNA Teaches History a Few Lessons of Its Own." The New York Times "Week in Review" (May 24, 1998). Excerpts:"Last year, for example, Michael Hammer, a geneticist at the University of Arizona, showed that a genetic analysis of the Y chromosomes of Jewish men who ritualistically identified themselves as descendants of the Biblical High Priest Aaron and are known as Cohanim showed a high transmission of markers that were less prevalent among Jews who did not identify as Cohanim. This was evidence, Hammer said, of the accuracy of the oral tradition." Judy Siegel. "Genetic link found among 'kohanim'." (http://www.calvarysac.org/genetic.html) The Jerusalem Post (January 3, 1997).
"Kol ha-Kohanim hem be'emet b'nei Kohanim ekhad." Ma'ariv (January 5, 1997 = 27 Tevet 5757).


Tim Radford. "Cohens in a (gene) class of their own." Electronic Mail and Guardian (January 14, 1997).

Michael F. Hammer, Karl L. Skorecki, Sara Selig, Shraga Blazer, Bruce Rappaport, Robert Bradman, Neil Bradman, P. J. Warburton, Monica Ismajlowicz. "Y Chromosomes of Jewish Priests." (http://www.familytreedna.com/nature97385.html) Nature 385(6611) (January 2, 1997): 32-33. Excerpts:"Based on surveys of Jewish cemetery gravestones, priests represent approximately 5% of the estimated total male world Jewish population of roughly 7 million.... We identified six haplotypes, whose frequencies are shown in the table (YAP+ DYS19A-E and YAP+ DYS19, all alleles.)


Applying the x2 test to the frequencies of the T-chromosome haplotypes distinguishes priests from the lay population.


The most striking difference was in the frequency of YAP+ chromosomes among compares to lay Jews. Only 1.5% of Y-chromosomes among priests were YAP+, in comparison to a frequency of 18.4% in lay Jews.


In contrast, we found no significant difference in the distribution of alleles for the non-Y-chromosomes locus polymorphism D1S191.


These Y-chromosome haplotype differences confirm a distinct paternal genealogy for Jewish priests... This result is consistent with an origin for the Jewish priesthood antedating the division of world Jewry into Ashkenazi and Sephardic communities, and is of particular interest in view of the pronounced genetic diversity displayed between the two [Sephardic and Ashkenazic] communities."



Regarding the "Cohen gene": David Goldstein, an evolutionary geneticist at Oxford University, said: "It looks like this chromosomal type was a constituent of the ancestral Hebrew population. It was incredibly exciting to find something that could be tracing paternally-inherited traits over 40 to 50 generations, three or four thousand years of history."


Only about half, or less (40-45%), of Ashkenazi Jewish Cohens have the so-called "Kohen gene".


A somewhat greater percentage of Sephardic Cohens have the gene. But it doesn't approach 100 percent.


Tell that to the staff of Karl Skorecki's institution, Technion University,


who claim here (http://pard.technion.ac.il/fastfacts/FastFacts.html) "Professor Karl Skorecki discovered genetic proof that all Jews belonging to the Cohen family are descendents of the biblical high priest Aaron Hacohen." If that's not misrepresentation I don't know what is. [Dr. Skorecki himself does not approve of the university's use of the word "all" and has asked them to fix their description of his research.]

LAUGHING STOCK . . .

Yes, you are

You

Just to clarify, when you say you you were not addressing me, but another person, I'm merely choosing to answer, so I am a different you from the you that you are referring to when you say you.

have

Uh huh...

the same

Do you mean the same, or do you actually mean similar?

annoying

Annoying to whom?

habit

Is it actually a habit, or merely something they chose to do?

I ask because a habit suggests an unconscious pattern of behavior that is acquired through frequent repetition, where as I think this is more of a chosen course of action, brought about by your silly posts.

of quoting and responding to every sentence

Is it really every sentence?

every phrase . . .

Again, is it really every phrase?

every word.

Now, that's just being silly, isn't it?

Now, in all seriousness, let me try and explain that to you.

The internet is an interconnected system of networks that connects computers around the world via the TCP/IP protocol, and upon this internet you can sometimes stumble across webpages, and some of those webpages take the form of forums, or messageboards, and the purpose of those forums, or messageboards is to allow people to communicate with one and other, you know, like people do offline, when they talk.

Now, offline, when you are talking, if you say something mind-numbingly stupid someone will usually say something like "Excuse me, I'm going to have to interrupt you there because what you said was so stupid it just caused me to actually physically start laughing out loud, and to consider referring you to the local insane asylum, where they can asses your mental health further".

Unfortunately, on the internet, we can not see what you are saying until you hit the post button, so when you say something stupid we can't stop you using a "STFU you moron" button, and therefore we have to, in effect, rewind, and break down what you say in the way that we would have done had the conversation took place in real time, offline.

Now the more stupid things you say, the more idiotic your posts, the more inane, or insane, your pathetic ramblings are, the more need there is to break the post down, just as there would be to break down the dialog if we were offline.

Do you understand that?

Imagine yourself in a bar, a nice, relaxed atmosphere, and you're sinking back a nice cold beer, and you're talking to someone, and they start telling you something, and they begin something like this "So there was this White guy, called sammy davis jr...", what do you do?

At the point you interrupt him, to seek clarification.

Does he mean 'the' sammy davis jr, in which case he's wrong, when he claims the guy is White, or does he mean another sammy davis jr, in which case who is this other sammy davis jr?

Then suppose his next line was "and he lived in a nice part of Europe, just outside of New York..."

Again, at this point you would probably interrupt him.

Is not New York in America, or does he mean another New York?

See how it works, you don't just listen to the man driveling a pile of inaccurate nonsense for hour after boring hour, knowing full well that what he is saying is either completely wrong, or needs clarification.

Now, of course, if you are listening to a man who starts off by saying you "So there was this White guy, called sammy davis jr., and he lived in a nice part of Europe, just outside of New York..." you can take a reasonable bet that the guy is a complete idiot, at which point it's also safe to wager that the conversation will break down, as he will either become annoyed that you keep interrupting him, or you will just lose interest in his idiotic ramblings, and stop listening.

Now do you understand it?

This is why your posts get so broken down, because they are so full of idiocy, and inaccuracies, that we are required to break them down into such small pieces.

If it's something that bothers you unduly then you should consider your options, you can either start thinking about what you say, before you type it, and try to leave out the more moronic statements, or at least research what you are saying, so that you don't have to make wrong guesses all the time, or else wise you can consider leaving, and finding an audience that might be more conducive to your unstable, and factless witterings.

I'm sure nimh could recommend some suitable forums for you.

We . . . unless your basic assumption is wrong and "no Jews just right" is essentially a flawed foundation.

There is such a thing as diminishing returns. There are some Jews in position of power who have fucked up our nation. But when you begin to put the hammer down on the remaining 5 or 6 million, you waste time . . . and you let all the other criminals escape.

I repeat an earlier argument . . . Sam Walton, Ken Lay and Henry Ford were not Jews, were not controlled by Jews and were not working for Jewish goals. So in your enthusiasm for "no Jews just right" you're allowing the true rats and villains to scurry away.

By we I mean Whites, not any organization, we've been drifting away from our ancestors values with more than a little help from some far sighted Jews who are still one with the eternal as it were. No Jews just right I assume means no Jews in positions of influence, I really don't have a problem with the quiet Jews and any selfish raceless capitalist can go to hell.

Off curse not all Jews are white.
Off curse? I'm sure that's supposed to be "of course", but what does one expect from a kike?

We don't claim to be a "clean" or "pure" race.
We don't think it is healthy.
That's a new one on me, kike.

But then again , there are many Jews which are white.
not all of them.
Kikes aren't White, they're kikes. Two totally different things. If you want to pretend to be white, I suppose that's your thing. However, don't expect the REAL Whites to swallow your bullshit.

Seriously , there are two options , Spain and Italy.



Apparently because they are smarter then you , and they know that Israel is a better place.


Look, I don't deny that Jews have some Caucasian ancestry that originates from Europe. However, to claim that Jews are a branch of the Europeans is utterly false. Jews have about as much right to claim Europe as Arabs, N. Africans, and other nominally European folk do.

On one hand, Jews such as yourself want to claim your nominal whiteness as qualification for membership in our societies, but on the other hand, you maintain a constant opposition and distance to regular Europeans and their values.

Regardless of the debate about Israel's legitimacy, the middle east is the proper place for people of your ethnic composition to thrive.

Is it true that Jews who immigrate to Israel are tested for genetic markers?
No.
Only gentiles.
If they're claiming to be Jews and want the benifits of being Jewish in Israel they have to take a test.

There's no point in testing a Gentile, Gentiles don't have the same opportunities as Jews in Israel, hence the test, a genetic test, meaning a common marker.

By No Jews just right I assume means no Jews in positions of influence, I really don't have a problem with the quiet Jews .


be careful there - the quiet ones nevertheless SUPPORT the ones in influence. they patronize them, vote for them, etc. I think jews vote liberal over 90%. I believe that there is a a small % of jews who believe it or not think like we do because they are so close to what's going on, they see it and are disgusted by it.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/are_jews_white/

Good read.

Off curse not all Jews are white.
We don't claim to be a "clean" or "pure" race.
We don't think it is healthy.


Proud of being filthy heh heh!:puke:
Cleanliness of thinking, wishingh and acting has never been one of your
strong points!

Proud of being be filthy heh heh!:puke:
Cleanliness of thinking, wishingh and acting has never been one of your
strong points!

Such filth should be cleansed via the righteous flame.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWflame.jpg

Such filth should be cleansed via the righteous flame.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWflame.jpg

Originally Posted by faceless
Off curse not all Jews are white.
We don't claim to be a "clean" or "pure" race.
We don't think it is healthy.

Great pick!
It took me a while but then i noticed the "cursed" Rabbi's ugly profile to the right ascending from a super filthy and stinking black VD-vagina.
Holocaust'em good! :D

Happy Ostara!

wikipedia, owned and run by jude and obviously biased

If you were wiser then a cabbage , you wouldn't say such thing.
as your Playfair friend had proved, and that's quite correct, Jews mostly try to claim that their source is in middle east.

So , why in wikipedia they are saying that they are related to the vikings?

Because you are stupid as a carrot!
Bonappetit!

Is it true that Jews who immigrate to Israel are tested for genetic markers?

If they're claiming to be Jews and want the benifits of being Jewish in Israel they have to take a test.

There's no point in testing a Gentile, Gentiles don't have the same opportunities as Jews in Israel, hence the test, a genetic test, meaning a common marker.

Apparently many gentiles want to immigrate to Israel, even west Europeans and north Americans.

don't ask me why. They have their reasons and it is easy for them to do so if they have some proves they are some kind of Jews.

Nobody "have to take test" but sometimes they are doing those tests from their own will to prove their claim.

see here is where they line bluring begins,
if you were to ask "where do jews originate from?" you first have to define jew and originate.

so if by jew we mean the first practitioner of judism
and if by originate we mean begin, as in, the location of the very first one.
we are left with "who was the first jew?" and there are varied opinions on this. i would say its abraham.

but who do you consider to be the first jew? and where was he born?

This questions you have are very good.
Abraham was not the first Jew, he was the first Hebrew.
His family was not Hebrews and only one of his sons became one.

Hebrews are not a race, it is some kind of religion or state of mind.
This "Hebrew" thing was spread by the phoenicians across the mediterranean sea and people accepted it in north Africa and in south Europe , that was about 200BC. Those Hebrews didn't have blood relation with Abraham or his son , yet they accept the idea.
Judaism were adapted by many people from different ethnic groups. Today it is quite clear that the original Jews , are a small minority, but that is not relevant to Judaism, because Judaism have nothing to do with race.

So you're now saying they are non-Whites who come from Europe, Italy to be precise, or maybe Spain, possibly the middle eastern part of Italy, or Spain, but not the Egyptian/African part of the middle eastern part of European Italy, or Spain, is that it?



No.
I didn't said any of this.
Some Jews are white , some don't.
Some Jews have roots in Europe and their sources are the Westren sub races , the Nordic , the Celtic, the Slavic - and some are not.

That's why there is no possibility to refer the Jews in racial terms.

Is that clear enough?

Ah, it all makes sense now, all jews are not of one single race, but they are all genetically White, because they come from Europe, Italy to be precise, or maybe Spain, possibly the middle eastern part of Italy, or Spain, but not the Egyptian/African part of the middle eastern part of European Italy, or Spain.

Glad we've got that sorted, now run along.

You know.
You are such an ignorant!
There is no "middle eastern part of Italy" or Spain.
The middle east is eastern side of the mediterranean sea.

Off curse not all Jews are white.
We don't claim to be a "clean" or "pure" race.
We don't think it is healthy.



LMAO!!! That's funny. Stupid little @#$%.

This guy can't be for real.

Look, I don't deny that Jews have some Caucasian ancestry that originates from Europe. However, to claim that Jews are a branch of the Europeans is utterly false. Jews have about as much right to claim Europe as Arabs, N. Africans, and other nominally European folk do.

On one hand, Jews such as yourself want to claim your nominal whiteness as qualification for membership in our societies, but on the other hand, you maintain a constant opposition and distance to regular Europeans and their values.

Regardless of the debate about Israel's legitimacy, the middle east is the proper place for people of your ethnic composition to thrive.

What can I say?
You sounds like some kind of Zionist , yet our opinion are not so far .

Some Jews would happily blend into their Western hosts.
Some won't , and for such , the Zionist solution might be appropriate.

be careful there - the quiet ones nevertheless SUPPORT the ones in influence. they patronize them, vote for them, etc. I think jews vote liberal over 90%. I believe that there is a a small % of jews who believe it or not think like we do because they are so close to what's going on, they see it and are disgusted by it.

Yes, Jews stick together unlike us, up to a point that's moral superiority.

Jews can be quiet in designated Jewish zones.

Apparently many gentiles want to immigrate to Israel, even west Europeans and north Americans.

don't ask me why. They have their reasons and it is easy for them to do so if they have some proves they are some kind of Jews.

Nobody "have to take test" but sometimes they are doing those tests from their own will to prove their claim.

Fair enough but you are confirming the original point which is that Jews are more than a religion. They are bound by genetic ties.

Fair enough but you are confirming the original point which is that Jews are more than a religion. They are bound by genetic ties.

No.
Because they take those tests to prove that they are relative to specific Jews.

To what end?

Is it a sorting office? Jews of a specific type go into segregated allotments because they might start fights with variants?

Liar. You already did.

Try again, Rebbe.

Those statements weren't made by me but were some of the stuff you claimed I had not corrected or refuted (since you applied an absolute, ie everything), ergo by your own logic those statements/claims still remain as valid. You can't have the cake and eat it too.

To what end?

Is it a sorting office? Jews of a specific type go into segregated allotments because they might start fights with variants?

No danger to such.
There is one office who handles gentile immigration and another one who handles Jews.
Now,
Most of the time people comes to one of those offices only after they are already in Israel, because it is quite easy to get here as "Jewish". But then the Jewish office might reject them , so they say "I am the uncle of this and that" and they provide DNA tests.

What can I say?
You sounds like some kind of Zionist , yet our opinion are not so far .

Some Jews would happily blend into their Western hosts.
Some won't , and for such , the Zionist solution might be appropriate.

I'm an ethno-nationalist, which means I believe people should be organized according to their ethnicity.

If Jews want to fight for their own state, that is fine by me. I just have no desire to participate in it via a parasitical relationship with Israel that most white European nations have. If Jews actually fought for Israel as if it were their "blood and soil" instead of living on the lavish handouts, it might also actually be a more successful nation, in my opinion.

My criticism of Jews is from the perspective that their group values are incompatible and damaging to ours, as documented by rational thinkers like Kevin MacDonald and Alex Linder.

The only way I'd accept Jews into a future society is if they, along with any other minority ethnic group, agrees to mind their own business and live in subservience to the majority, avoid intermarriage, avoid cultural pollution, and etc. Honestly though, the historical attempts to do this have always failed, so I think the best place for Jews is Israel.

No.
I didn't said any of this.

Nope, that's exactly what you've said in this thread.

You see that's what happens when you twist, and turn, and talk crap, someone reads it, puts it all together, and you look stupid.

Now run along child.

You know.
You are such an ignorant!
There is no "middle eastern part of Italy" or Spain.
The middle east is eastern side of the mediterranean sea.

But I didn't say there was, I was merely repeating your silly claims.

See how silly they look when someone puts all your silly claims into one post?

Some Jews would happily blend into their Western hosts.

Here we go again you see.

HOSTS

So not the same, are they?

You're really to stupid to play the games you are trying.

The only way I'd accept Jews into a future society is if they, along with any other minority ethnic group, agrees to mind their own business and live in subservience to the majority, avoid intermarriage, avoid cultural pollution, and etc.

To be fair that's like saying the only way I'd accept a scorpion could sleep in my babies crib is if it agreed not to bite her.

It ain't worth the risk, so it's not worth considering.

So there you go, at the end of it all your silly, idiotic statements were shown to be just that, silly an idiotic, and showed I was right, you are just here to make silly noises, and waste everyones time.


FACELESS, et al . . .

If you haven't already, you will soon learn that EVERY debate with Miss FRANCIS eventually gets around to this:

I I I I I I I

I was right . . . I am smarter than you . . . I am better than you.

Reminds me of the Stuart Smalley character:

"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!"

I suspect that for all his belief in Talmud Vision and Jewish brainwashing . . . Smalley . . . eh, Miss FRANCIS . . . probably suffers from several of the flaws on which advertisers thrive:

He’s short, bald, pudgy, can’t get an erection, can’t maintan an erection, has a small dick or doesn’t make enough money.

Could be that Smalley’s/Francis’ significant other left him for a tall, flat-stomached, rich Jewish rabbi with a pony-tail.

When will Miss FRANCIS learn that there is no “I” in TEAM . . . but there are two in IDIOT?

FACELESS, et al . . .

If you haven't already, you will soon learn that EVERY debate with Miss FRANCIS eventually gets around to this:

I I I I I I I

I was right . . . I am smarter than you . . . I am better than you.

So you were lying?

Once again you get caught, and once again you are wrong.

Just because YOU are wrong, YOU are more stupid than everyone else, and YOU are worse than everyone, is hardly a reason to whinge like you do, or is it just in your egalitarian dream world we're not meant to tell the truth?

I know the truth is something you make no attempt to aspire to.


He’s short, bald, pudgy, can’t get an erection, can’t maintan an erection, has a small dick or doesn’t make enough money.

And once again you are wrong.

It must suck to be you.

Little hint for you, there are people here that know me, know what I look like, know how tall I am, and even my sexual abilities isn't beyond the knowledge of everyone here ;)

So was this more of your projecting?

One has to wonder...

BTW. Hows it going with the dog sniffing junior?

You can't have the cake and eat it too.Sure I can, Rebbe. You haven't debunked anything. Keep trying.

Originally Posted by faceless http://www.vnnforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=747985#post747985)
Apparently many gentiles want to immigrate to Israel, even west Europeans and north Americans.


The only West Europeans and North Americans whom are "gentile" are mischlinge converts to Christianity; or actual Gentile Christians whom believe that in order for Christ to return, the jews have to be redeemed. So, they go to israel to help the jew to hasten the Apopcalypse/Rapture ect, but guess what, if juden do not convert to their flavour of Christianity; they are left out of the upcoming Heaven on Earth. I guess you all get sent to gehenna.

No sane Gentile wants to go to a land where juden are free to rampage, express their hatred to it's fullest extent; without any restraint whatsover. israel is a cesspool, filled with blood. It is one of the most backward nations too, compared to Western lands, and that's despite The West's degradation thanks to jewish influence



Nobody "have to take test" but sometimes they are doing those tests from their own will to prove their claim.


If a kike wants his share of the reparation booty as well as the full service social services in israel, then he'd best take that dna test; otherwise he'll be treated like a Gentile

Nope, that's exactly what you've said in this thread.



On the contrary.
Yet, it might be to complicated for you and beyond your understanding.

But I didn't say there was, I was merely repeating your silly claims.



That's almost illiterate!
I never claim anything like that.
Are you related somehow to Boneless? because you are nonsense are very alike.

Here we go again you see.

HOSTS

So not the same, are they?



No , they are not the same and it doesn't mean they are different genetically.
Let's take for example , you and somebody smart. You are both very different still you can be from the same race.

He says this

That's almost illiterate!

And then this

I never claim anything like that.

:rolleyes:

And those words are all your words kiddy.

It was exactly what you claimed, I just collected your various posts together and put them into one single post, so we could laugh at your stupidity.

Let's take for example , you and somebody smart.

Why not go for the complete extreme, like me and somebody stupid like you?

You are both very different still you can be from the same race.

But if we're different genetically we can't be.

That was a very stupid example, it's like arguing that a black man, and a White man, can be the same race as they have the same color running shoes, or that two White men can be different races, as they have different colored running shoes.

Sure I can, Rebbe. You haven't debunked anything. Keep trying.

Then the aformentioned claims I listed for you remain valid thereof, by your logic.

Then the aformentioned claims I listed for you remain valid thereof, by your logic.By your "logic," possibly. You've debunked nothing. Wishing won't make it so, Rebbe.

At least your brother, Rumpel, had a use.

By your "logic," possibly. You've debunked nothing. Wishing won't make it so, Rebbe.

At least your brother, Rumpel, had a use.

No, by your logic, since you can't very well dismiss the aformentioned claims as incorrect or ludicrous and refuted (which they are and have been), while saying that I have debunked nothing. That is a contradiction within terms, bit you in the arse didn't it.

No danger to such.
There is one office who handles gentile immigration and another one who handles Jews.
Now,
Most of the time people comes to one of those offices only after they are already in Israel, because it is quite easy to get here as "Jewish". But then the Jewish office might reject them , so they say "I am the uncle of this and that" and they provide DNA tests.

I enjoy the language hurdle but this is a little ambiguous, nay rigmarole.

The Jewish office might reject them because they don't have any Jewish characteristics, familiar looks or mannerisms, familiar as in family or extended family. They would then want genetic proof of Jewishness so that dubious Jews don't burden Israel. Plain common sense really.

... (which they are and have been), ...Only in your mind, Rebbe.

No , they are not the same and it doesn't mean they are different genetically.
Let's take for example , you and somebody smart. You are both very different still you can be from the same race.

Hey shecky, just WTF is your point? Are you trying to say that kikes are genetically indistinguishable from the host populations upon which they feed? Because if you are you are full of shit but then that is to be expected because you are after all a yid. Or is your point that hymies share SOME genetic material with Europeans? Big fucking deal! So do niggers and watermelon. It the genes we DON'T share that make all the difference.

Hey, while we are on this topic there is something I have been wondering about. It is a well known fact that kikes have a sick fascination with feces, as reflected in typical jewish humor. Would you say this is a genetic predisposition or strictly a cultural thing?

FACELESS, et al . . .

If you haven't already, you will soon learn that EVERY debate with Miss FRANCIS eventually gets around to this:

I I I I I I I

I was right . . . I am smarter than you . . . I am better than you.

Reminds me of the Stuart Smalley character:

"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!"

I suspect that for all his belief in Talmud Vision and Jewish brainwashing . . . Smalley . . . eh, Miss FRANCIS . . . probably suffers from several of the flaws on which advertisers thrive:

He’s short, bald, pudgy, can’t get an erection, can’t maintan an erection, has a small dick or doesn’t make enough money.

Could be that Smalley’s/Francis’ significant other left him for a tall, flat-stomached, rich Jewish rabbi with a pony-tail.

When will Miss FRANCIS learn that there is no “I” in TEAM . . . but there are two in IDIOT?


http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0840/ani1.gif
-You tell em champ.

Jews are incredibly superstitious albeit behind closed doors which is mostly what you said. It has always been hard for me to understand that alien psychology but the only thing that can explain their lurid behavior is their own gross superstitions. I have met many Jews that have more or less taken their biblical stories as literally having happened and the "less religious" ones aren't far from it.

I know this post is several days old but it touches on an important point. Jews have a very different sense of "reality" from Aryans. They do not seem to be able to grasp that reality is something fixed. They seem to sincerely believe that they can set their own "reality" (or what they would like for reality to be) by simply shouting down or suppressing facts which are opposed to their version of the "truth". Examples of this can be found right here on this forum, the kikes that post as sliming or that obnoxious yidess katie trying to bluster and brazen their way through maintaining the kike line on the holohoax or other issues dear to them even though they get buried under an avalanche of facts and even common sense that exposes their lies for pure unadulterated bullshit.

And of course there is the almost inexplicable (to Aryans) kike steadfastness and fanaticism concerning the holohoax. On one level they understand that the entire thing is a lie and is in danger of falling apart. But on another level they ACTUALLY BELIEVE it happened simply because they say it did. A kike can believe, really and truly believe, that his entire family was done away with in gas ovens in various death camps while at the same time knowing that he cannot produce one single example of a gassed relative and his entire family are accounted for.

They are insane, and they are not compatable with a world that respects truth.

No , they are not the same and it doesn't mean they are different genetically.

Being a fool is your stock and trade, faceless.

An early 19th cent. "jewish enlightenment" poet, judah leib gordon coined this advisory slogan [in hebrew, of course] for jews in 'diaspora' - "Be a jew in your tent and human being when you go out of it".

Even jews admit they are barely human.

Being a fool is your stock and trade, faceless.

An early 19th cent. "jewish enlightenment" poet, judah leib gordon coined this advisory slogan [in hebrew, of course] for jews in 'diaspora' - "Be a jew in your tent and human being when you go out of it".

Even jews admit they are barely human.

As we are aware Jews are just the infamous mongrels, in fact they identify with mongrels quite well being so much a mongrel people as to have two bloodlines of mongrelization.

I bet people never noticed, but the word "hybrid" has become a sort of catch phrase for "better". Hybrid cars, hybridization, etc, etc. But when you look at life forms hybridization nearly always leads to a quick and painful death. A "hybrid" in general inferior to its stock species (Inferior behavior, inferior features, inferior sexual drive, inferior ability to attract partners, inferior survivability in general.)
The Jews are generally inferior in every way and in fact it is proven that they are inherently incapable of creating their own civilization and can only stoop down to the lowest denominator of behavior. Generally they are incapable of understanding truth. Jews in their incapability have to appeal to what is left of their mongrel humanity - the lowest standards such as half-truths, complete lies , appeals to pity, appeals to authority, deceit and delusional hatred. A Jew's advantage is that he is a lowly animal that is willing to stoop down to any sort of level. A Jew will live among rats if he can gain the pity of a Gentile, he will whore his children out if it means that he can gain money, he will whore his country out simply because it means literally nothing to him. A mongrel isn't adept at living the life of someone civilized . It's in this that Jews are simply mongrels.

Unfortunately an Aryan has learned from centuries of false teachings that pity and acceptance of the repugnant are virtues, he has dislearned to value the Earth and himself before everything else. An Aryan's weakness isn't biological but learned, if Aryans knew less about "higher vales" and more about something useful this wouldn't have happened.

Arguing with a jew or a shit-talking Cuban, capable only of building a banana republic, will yield the same outcome.....Inexorable tedium.

However, the process is highly educational for VNN's greater audience, especially for the more astute reader, because jews and shit-talking Cubans boldly exemplify precisely how wrong they are and for all the world to see, as they're crushed like ants under the weight of the truth dispensed here by VNN's sharp-shooting posters.

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On one level they understand that the entire thing is a lie and is in danger of falling apart. But on another level they ACTUALLY BELIEVE it happened simply because they say it did. A kike can believe, really and truly believe, that his entire family was done away with in gas ovens in various death camps while at the same time knowing that he cannot produce one single example of a gassed relative and his entire family are accounted for.

I disagree again here slightly Fred but I don't believe jews actually believe the hoax to to be a lie; certainly your average jew doesn't. I think what you are speaking of is the fact that 'holocaust scholars' (predominantly jews), the prominent jews and organisations and parts of intellectual elite among jewry know that their case isn't any where near as good as they claim. For example an often repeated claim is that the 'caust is 'the best documented genocide in recent history' (saw that one a few days ago in an Israeli rag for the nth time) but they know very well that they have very little if no evidence to make such a sweeping assertion. That is why they don't debate because if it falls apart the house of cards they have erected becomes unstable without its keystone and will likely topple.

They wouldn't really care too much about the 'caust too much if they hadn't got so much emotional, factional and fiscal capital invested in it and if they hadn't been milking it for all it was worth in both real and emotional terms. That is why the laws are coming in because they want to protect that keystone to prevent what they see as a massive backlash occuring which could very well in fact lead to a real 'holocaust' occuring. The jews are compulsive gamblers in a sense in that they are throwing a good deal if not all their chips into the arena this time to see if they can finally achieve their goal of becoming the world's open ruling elite and/or priesthood.

They are insane, and they are not compatable with a world that respects truth.

Very true that.

Why can't you people understand what J.Diaz is trying to say? I don't think he's jew-blind.

Hey, I'll make it simple for ya. All he's saying is that, 'We white racialists should stop this internecine bitching and we must stop tilting at windmills. We need an umbrella organisation, where the top leaders and the best brains thrash out the existing differences and chalk out a strategy to achieve time-bound goals. Unity is strength, so we need to reach out and recruit but our propaganda must not shock or scare them away. And I want all this in my lifetime.'

He's not asking for much, is he?

Coomar
Votary of the Occident


Yet "another" troll that agrees with Joo-joo. Some whiggers have called it "intelligent" but none have specifically been able to pinpoint what of it's inanae nigger babblings it's flung actually are.

The SPLC, One parasite's Projects, FBI/ADL functionary cocksuckers have to send in a little "reinforcement" so this niggers does not look so stupid and ridiculous. It's not enough just to have a few whigger defective males "warmly" welcome it to their humble commode.