I was reading the Burdi (of RAHOWA fame) interview and he was complaining about whites turning their back on him, so he just up and decided to turn his back on White Nationalism. Now he acts like the lyrics to his song never had a Pro-white message (he said the lyrics “if this is the way our race ends, I can’t bear to witness” is talking about drunk skinheads or something like that).

He had the nerve to show up on television with his multicultural band and his non-white wife. One of his band members (Jamaican I think) said if he had met Burdi when he was with RAHOWA he would have punched him right in the face. I don’t care how many Africans are good to me I will not marry one.

He faced some hardship and felt that whites owed him the world. I am not ragging on Burdi but he should realize that being a white nationalist is a thankless job. Everyday I defend the rights of people that not only care a thing about me but don’t want their rights restored. Like college admittance and things of that nature, people don’t care that they are being targeted for extinction, that is why it is our duty to rise up and take the reigns.

Now how does this relate to the Muslims?

About a year ago I fell extremely ill, I fell out of the movement completely. From the looks of things I didn’t think I would ever return. I went to white doctors and office visits totaled around $300 for them to refer me to another doctor who wanted to run tests but said it would cost $10,000 to complete them. I had neither insurance nor the ten thousand at the time.

Well at the same time I got sick with something else not related that put me in the hospital twice. This totaled to some amazing bills but I had white doctors who gave me good care.

Where was my white doctor friends during this crises? Where was my nationalist friends during this crises? Not one call or visit from a WN. Now this is something similar that happened to Burdi.

I was sick out of the movement and no white nationalist friends.

So I get home and upon being to sick to work had no way to pay my bills or eat. With most of my savings exhausted this is the point many WN’s would turn completely on the movement.

A great deal of WN’s find themselves abandoned or alienated. I never questioned my loyalty to the movement because that is what it is “loyalty to the movement” not to other whites that would abandon me. When Burdi found himself in jail and no friends (or so he says) he just turns on the movement. When I became a WN I knew the risks involved. It had to do with what I believed and felt what was right not anything to do with what my friends thought or believed.

Here is where the Muslims come in.

At this point I am at home sick and in debt many thousands with no friends and no income only my immediate family and of course my congregation helped me some also.

No white doctors would have anything to do with me and this is when 4 Muslim doctors come in and help out with my Illness. They took me and did $20,000 worth of tests on me and paid for it all, even when I requested a white doctor they let their white doctors that they had hired treat me. And thus this enabled me to get back into the movement.

Although I am not totally 100% (I suffered a torn ligament this week thus the reason for my amounts of posts) I got my business back on it’s feet and was able to get back into the movement.

There are a lot of people that say I have a Jewish/African friend that treats me better than any white. This is no reason to not be a WN.

I owe those doctors a great deal and they did a service for me that otherwise I could not have done. When all the whites turned on me they helped. Now this doesn’t mean I am just going to jump out of the movement and join a mosque.

No matter the debt I owe to anyone I owe a greater debt to my ancestors for keeping my genes pure. It is for them I struggle, it is for the faith that a white society is a better society.

There are times when WN’s get down on their luck and times when they are abandoned but that doesn’t mean they should turn their back on the movement.

If you are a racist just because you have a few friends that think it is cool or hate just for the purpose of hating without cause, then White Nationalism is not for you because people that have no roots will turn in a split second and turn their backs on all their friends also (this is especially bad when the feds come knocking on your door). When hard times come remember why you are here. If the feds come and you feel like crashing and burning don’t take your friends with you. I have seen whites make up lies and sacrifice their buddies next 20 years just to avoid a 6-month stretch.

If there are any White Nationalists out there that have fallen on hard times don’t be discouraged. You may find help in some places you would have never thought but it is about believing what you are doing is right. If you never believed that White Nationalism was right in the first place you was never a WN. If you are in a group and see people that don't believe in what they are doing and are there just for a social club distance yourself from them because you are the one that will wind up in jail if the crunch comes

My goal is the preservation of my race and the future for white children and in the end that should be our main focus.

Remember you are here for the cause not the social joys. If you are here for nothing more than drinking buddies perhaps you should leave before big brother comes knocking on your door.

Well, one thing that I think is the case for most people is the "lone wolf" effect. I have very few WN friends..... there's just not so many of us around! So for someone like Burdi (who was in a WN band and had many fans, supporters, promoters, fellow band members, record label people, etc. around him, all of whom were WNs) it's a bit different than you or me falling on hard times.

But that is an interesting story about the Muslims though. I've got an Egyptian friend (Muslim) that I've had since high school.... he was always going on about the Jews even before I became WN. He and I now have an understanding, even though he's definitely got some negrid blood in him. He hates the state of this country as much as I do, and he wants to move to Egypt or somewhere else and get away from the Jews. He understands about me and being a WN and what it means, and he doesn't have a problem with me, and I don't have a problem with him.

well, you're talking about disillusionment and burnout.

those of us not in this for cultlike mutual adulation are inured to the realities that a) most Whites shy away from anything called "White", b) not all non-whites are evil bogeyman c) everybody seems to have a pet jewfriend etc.

Burdi was different than most of us because he was a very high profile public individual. Like many, he was targeted by LE and taken down a few notches. He quit but as the VNN interview shows, he is not really an "anti."

As you say, our personal situations aside, our race as a whole is in trouble. The fate of our descendants depends in large part on our personal particulars but also in large part depends upon the general lot of Whites. And so we have to hang in there and do what we can.

[COLOR=Teal]If Burdi was a character in William Pierce's "The Turner Diaries", you'd find his story [SIZE=1][COLOR=DimGray] (and his end)[/COLOR] [/SIZE] in the chapter entitled "The Day of the Rope"....[/COLOR]

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119 views and 3 replies. It is quality not quantity though. There are so many whites that are discouraged and some of the reason can be placed at many of the white doomsayers that claim that the movement has not hope of victory.

When I read that interview I was questioning his motives, it sounded like he had many weaknesses and wanted to cover for them. There are times that whites suffer burnout and it is during those times that they need a break instead of dropping out all together.

I could understand dropping out like Moran but to completely turn your back on your race is something else altogether. I still listen to his music and he is in my top 3 favorite racialist singers.

He had some of the best overall racialist music out there and his influence could have done serious damage to the movement. He is now a Jew tool but he will never have the status he desires, because once you are in the movement it doesn’t matter how much hate you show against whitey you will never be accepted.

I wanted to show the importance of what we are doing does not lay with your friends but the movement as a whole.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST] But I was dishearted to read the article about him in the WAR paper, titled "RIGHTWINGER CRAPS HIS PANTS." I still have it, and he goes on about how he did not know the NA was anti kike and he is not a racist and he was just confused and in the name of jewsus please forgive him he was wrong blah, blah, blah. Typical snivel drivel, I can understand if he just stepped down and said fuck the kikes. But to pull a 180 like that the second some heat comes his way after all he wrote.[/QUOTE]

I never read that from what I heard, his life and family was threatened and he had no choice.

How can you be a part of the NA and not know they are Anti-Semitic?

I need to read that I might be misinforming people here about Moran.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]I was reading the Burdi (of RAHOWA fame) interview and he was complaining about whites turning their back on him, so he just up and decided to turn his back on White Nationalism. Now he acts like the lyrics to his song never had a Pro-white message (he said the lyrics “if this is the way our race ends, I can’t bear to witness” is talking about drunk skinheads or something like that).

He had the nerve to show up on television with his multicultural band and his non-white wife. One of his band members (Jamaican I think) said if he had met Burdi when he was with RAHOWA he would have punched him right in the face. I don’t care how many Africans are good to me I will not marry one.

He faced some hardship and felt that whites owed him the world. I am not ragging on Burdi but he should realize that being a white nationalist is a thankless job. Everyday I defend the rights of people that not only care a thing about me but don’t want their rights restored. Like college admittance and things of that nature, people don’t care that they are being targeted for extinction, that is why it is our duty to rise up and take the reigns.

Now how does this relate to the Muslims?

About a year ago I fell extremely ill, I fell out of the movement completely. From the looks of things I didn’t think I would ever return. I went to white doctors and office visits totaled around $300 for them to refer me to another doctor who wanted to run tests but said it would cost $10,000 to complete them. I had neither insurance nor the ten thousand at the time.

Well at the same time I got sick with something else not related that put me in the hospital twice. This totaled to some amazing bills but I had white doctors who gave me good care.

Where was my white doctor friends during this crises? Where was my nationalist friends during this crises? Not one call or visit from a WN. Now this is something similar that happened to Burdi.

I was sick out of the movement and no white nationalist friends.

So I get home and upon being to sick to work had no way to pay my bills or eat. With most of my savings exhausted this is the point many WN’s would turn completely on the movement.

A great deal of WN’s find themselves abandoned or alienated. I never questioned my loyalty to the movement because that is what it is “loyalty to the movement” not to other whites that would abandon me. When Burdi found himself in jail and no friends (or so he says) he just turns on the movement. When I became a WN I knew the risks involved. It had to do with what I believed and felt what was right not anything to do with what my friends thought or believed.

Here is where the Muslims come in.

At this point I am at home sick and in debt many thousands with no friends and no income only my immediate family and of course my congregation helped me some also.

No white doctors would have anything to do with me and this is when 4 Muslim doctors come in and help out with my Illness. They took me and did $20,000 worth of tests on me and paid for it all, even when I requested a white doctor they let their white doctors that they had hired treat me. And thus this enabled me to get back into the movement.

Although I am not totally 100% (I suffered a torn ligament this week thus the reason for my amounts of posts) I got my business back on it’s feet and was able to get back into the movement.

There are a lot of people that say I have a Jewish/African friend that treats me better than any white. This is no reason to not be a WN.

I owe those doctors a great deal and they did a service for me that otherwise I could not have done. When all the whites turned on me they helped. Now this doesn’t mean I am just going to jump out of the movement and join a mosque.

No matter the debt I owe to anyone I owe a greater debt to my ancestors for keeping my genes pure. It is for them I struggle, it is for the faith that a white society is a better society.

There are times when WN’s get down on their luck and times when they are abandoned but that doesn’t mean they should turn their back on the movement.

If you are a racist just because you have a few friends that think it is cool or hate just for the purpose of hating without cause, then White Nationalism is not for you because people that have no roots will turn in a split second and turn their backs on all their friends also (this is especially bad when the feds come knocking on your door). When hard times come remember why you are here. If the feds come and you feel like crashing and burning don’t take your friends with you. I have seen whites make up lies and sacrifice their buddies next 20 years just to avoid a 6-month stretch.

If there are any White Nationalists out there that have fallen on hard times don’t be discouraged. You may find help in some places you would have never thought but it is about believing what you are doing is right. If you never believed that White Nationalism was right in the first place you was never a WN. If you are in a group and see people that don't believe in what they are doing and are there just for a social club distance yourself from them because you are the one that will wind up in jail if the crunch comes

My goal is the preservation of my race and the future for white children and in the end that should be our main focus.

Remember you are here for the cause not the social joys. If you are here for nothing more than drinking buddies perhaps you should leave before big brother comes knocking on your door.[/QUOTE]

Moslem is not a race but a religion. Though many here will get pissed at me for saying this, didit occurr to you that these doctors could have been White?
I don't know, you were there, but there are many Middle Eastern Whites who are doctors in the US. I once had a doctor from Kashmir that had pale White skin, perfect Aryan features, brown-red hair,and couldhave been taken for a German.

diablo

*sigh* Diablo just has to insert his fave topic in every thread where he participates. . . .


Sean Martin, did these Mussies know you were a racialist, and is that why they helped you?

[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]*sigh* Diablo just has to insert his fave topic in every thread where he participates. . . .


Sean Martin, did these Mussies know you were a racialist, and is that why they helped you?[/QUOTE]

Just asking a question and relating an experience. Doc's docs might very easily have been as racially screwed up as some Paki dervish in Bradford, in fact they probably were. All Im saying is that race and religion are not one in the same.

diablo

[QUOTE=diabloblanco92]Just asking a question and relating an experience. Doc's docs might very easily have been as racially screwed up as some Paki dervish in Bradford, in fact they probably were. All Im saying is that race and religion are not one in the same.

diablo[/QUOTE]


Islam is rooted in Arabic culture. Judaism is rooted in uh, Jewish culture. Race and religion can be one and the same.

BEPSI! Do you get that joke? The only one who got it was that sixpakistan dude. HA!




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[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]I was reading the Burdi (of RAHOWA fame) interview and he was complaining about whites turning their back on him, so he just up and decided to turn his back on White Nationalism. Now he acts like the lyrics to his song never had a Pro-white message (he said the lyrics “if this is the way our race ends, I can’t bear to witness” is talking about drunk skinheads or something like that).

He had the nerve to show up on television with his multicultural band and his non-white wife. One of his band members (Jamaican I think) said if he had met Burdi when he was with RAHOWA he would have punched him right in the face. I don’t care how many Africans are good to me I will not marry one.

He faced some hardship and felt that whites owed him the world. I am not ragging on Burdi but he should realize that being a white nationalist is a thankless job. Everyday I defend the rights of people that not only care a thing about me but don’t want their rights restored. Like college admittance and things of that nature, people don’t care that they are being targeted for extinction, that is why it is our duty to rise up and take the reigns.

Now how does this relate to the Muslims?

About a year ago I fell extremely ill, I fell out of the movement completely. From the looks of things I didn’t think I would ever return. I went to white doctors and office visits totaled around $300 for them to refer me to another doctor who wanted to run tests but said it would cost $10,000 to complete them. I had neither insurance nor the ten thousand at the time.

Well at the same time I got sick with something else not related that put me in the hospital twice. This totaled to some amazing bills but I had white doctors who gave me good care.

Where was my white doctor friends during this crises? Where was my nationalist friends during this crises? Not one call or visit from a WN. Now this is something similar that happened to Burdi.

I was sick out of the movement and no white nationalist friends.

So I get home and upon being to sick to work had no way to pay my bills or eat. With most of my savings exhausted this is the point many WN’s would turn completely on the movement.

A great deal of WN’s find themselves abandoned or alienated. I never questioned my loyalty to the movement because that is what it is “loyalty to the movement” not to other whites that would abandon me. When Burdi found himself in jail and no friends (or so he says) he just turns on the movement. When I became a WN I knew the risks involved. It had to do with what I believed and felt what was right not anything to do with what my friends thought or believed.

Here is where the Muslims come in.

At this point I am at home sick and in debt many thousands with no friends and no income only my immediate family and of course my congregation helped me some also.

No white doctors would have anything to do with me and this is when 4 Muslim doctors come in and help out with my Illness. They took me and did $20,000 worth of tests on me and paid for it all, even when I requested a white doctor they let their white doctors that they had hired treat me. And thus this enabled me to get back into the movement.

Although I am not totally 100% (I suffered a torn ligament this week thus the reason for my amounts of posts) I got my business back on it’s feet and was able to get back into the movement.

There are a lot of people that say I have a Jewish/African friend that treats me better than any white. This is no reason to not be a WN.

I owe those doctors a great deal and they did a service for me that otherwise I could not have done. When all the whites turned on me they helped. Now this doesn’t mean I am just going to jump out of the movement and join a mosque.

No matter the debt I owe to anyone I owe a greater debt to my ancestors for keeping my genes pure. It is for them I struggle, it is for the faith that a white society is a better society.

There are times when WN’s get down on their luck and times when they are abandoned but that doesn’t mean they should turn their back on the movement.

If you are a racist just because you have a few friends that think it is cool or hate just for the purpose of hating without cause, then White Nationalism is not for you because people that have no roots will turn in a split second and turn their backs on all their friends also (this is especially bad when the feds come knocking on your door). When hard times come remember why you are here. If the feds come and you feel like crashing and burning don’t take your friends with you. I have seen whites make up lies and sacrifice their buddies next 20 years just to avoid a 6-month stretch.

If there are any White Nationalists out there that have fallen on hard times don’t be discouraged. You may find help in some places you would have never thought but it is about believing what you are doing is right. If you never believed that White Nationalism was right in the first place you was never a WN. If you are in a group and see people that don't believe in what they are doing and are there just for a social club distance yourself from them because you are the one that will wind up in jail if the crunch comes

My goal is the preservation of my race and the future for white children and in the end that should be our main focus.

Remember you are here for the cause not the social joys. If you are here for nothing more than drinking buddies perhaps you should leave before big brother comes knocking on your door.[/QUOTE]

Nice post. It's unfortunate that we have no real community but everyone is aware of this fact. We will have a hard time moving forward until we can rely upon one another in crunch time.

Burdi always had a super-sized ego and when his 'phase' got old, it just wasn't worth sticking around. People that come, stick around a little while, and then drop out are worthless. I just wish that we had the ability to identify these people and rectify the problem or get rid of them right away.

didit occurr to you that these doctors could have been White?
Actually they were not white, I think some was from India and the others was from Iraq or one of those kind of countries. They were all very dark skinned and barely spoke English. If it had been Jewish doctors I would have turned them down no matter what.

Sean Martin, did these Mussies know you were a racialist, and is that why they helped you?

Truth be told I am not sure, I was invited to speak at the only mosque within a 175 mile radius last year so if they worshiped there I am sure they know I am a racist. I really don’t do anything to hide it, if anything I go out of my way to let people know that I am racist so they can see that you can be openly racist and not go to jail, it may give them courage to be openly racist also. However I don’t know if that (rascism) is why they helped me. Oh, and if you are curious the speech was about how Jews control and profit from Americans and the dire need for segregation.

I personally don’t believe that the average White nationalist would have a problem with Africans and Muslims going to college and getting jobs and through hard work making something out of their selves, it is the Jew forcing them down our throat and forcing them to mix with out women and taking our jobs and giving to them that causes the tension and problems.

I know many racist Africans and Muslims that hold my views on segregation and things of that nature because forced integration harms hard working Africans and Arabs also. It turns the people against them and makes it difficult for them to gain respect in a society that sees them as a burden.

The lazy bums that want a free ride ruin it for everyone.

It's quite true that we need to look out for one another. In my social circle, that is very much the case, and we are even planning ahead. If the price of food goes up, myself and a comrade are planning to sell food at a discount to WN in New England, if they are able to travel to us (we won't deliver). We'll even trade labor for food.

The mass media went after Marc Moran's family, literally camping out in his driveway. You shouldn't judge the guy, having not experienced what he experienced. And no, he did not turn against us.

George Burdi had the wrong idea about WN. He wanted to see the Revolution on TV, and wanted to be the star of the show. When he hit a bump in the road and decided to take the TJ Lydon route of "reformed racist."

White survival isn't going to be a televised event. It is a daily toil, a labor of love, but the moments of fame and glory are few and far between, and they aren't the reason for it.

We have to just be a community -- to find one another and behave like an old fashioned village. We have to reject the nuclear family and go for the extended family -- grandparents home school the kids while parents earn the money. Too many white grandparents went to Florida in search of Ponce De Leon's fountain of eternal youth - the fact is, they never grew up. Modern American "whites" are mostly overgrown adolescents.

In short, we have to learn to think and behave collectively.

You will be surprised at how quickly you save money when you band together and work together and cooperate, how quickly you can begin to dam up your money river into a lake of wealth when you sell to one another and do services for one another.

I pay 60 a week for day care. Suppose I gave that 60 to my kids' granny? She socks it away for herself and the money stays in the family. My comrade has a much better garden than I have, but I'm raising chickens. So I'll trade chickens for his cabbages -- no money changes hands, no supermarkets profit.

Damming up the river of money into a community lake is HOW we build community. Wealth building is the glue that holds the community together, becuase it frees us from the tyranny of wage earning, and gives us more sovereignty from the Imperial Corporate regime, and more time to organize poltiical activism, and the people to do it.

We are slaves because we have to give our lives away to wage earning, and be apart from one another all day. We need to spend our days laboring together, and earning our independence from the Imperial Corporate Regime.

Rob

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Moran is a mixed bag to me, the guy had to know what was going to be coming his way when he went out in the open like he did. The way he wrote about the bravery of the founding fathers and there actions and then he folded like a house of cards. I think his wife had something to do with it. But I was dishearted to read the article about him in the WAR paper, titled "RIGHTWINGER CRAPS HIS PANTS." I still have it, and he goes on about how he did not know the NA was anti kike and he is not a racist and he was just confused and in the name of jewsus please forgive him he was wrong blah, blah, blah. Typical snivel drivel, I can understand if he just stepped down and said fuck the kikes. But to pull a 180 like that the second some heat comes his way after all he wrote.[/QUOTE]

I've been told by NA buddy-buddies of Marc Moran in NJ that his fountain of money comes from his business which is a pay-day loan store/check cashing joint somewhere around Trenton NJ. The negative publicity was going to hit his Shylock operation. His neighbors also pointed out in the Newspapers that his father in-law is Jewish.

[QUOTE=Kievsky]grandparents home school the kids while parents earn the money. Too many white grandparents went to Florida in search of Ponce De Leon's fountain of eternal youth - the fact is, they never grew up. Modern American "whites" are mostly overgrown adolescents.
Rob[/QUOTE]

I am tired of seeing Babuski and Daduski driving around in their $150k RV with bumper stickers that say "I'm spending my kids inheritance"- really sad and infuriating. They would rather let their kids and grandkids struggle under the system than part with their loot to help their own flesh and blood. They don't even want to watch their grandkids while both parents work jobs. "I raised my kids already it's their turn to suffer; I'm going to have fun". Do us all a favor and drop dead now you self-centered old bastards.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]I am tired of seeing Babuski and Daduski driving around in their $150k RV with bumper stickers that say "I'm spending my kids inheritance"- really sad and infuriating. They would rather let their kids and grandkids struggle under the system than part with their loot to help their own flesh and blood. They don't even want to watch their grandkids while both parents work jobs. "I raised my kids already it's their turn to suffer; I'm going to have fun". Do us all a favor and drop dead now you self-centered old bastards.[/QUOTE]
That is the best comment I have seen today.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]I've been told by NA buddy-buddies ........[/QUOTE]

1) nice to know that the local unit members who probably backslapped him when the going was good are such fair weather friends.

2) I d take that baseless rumour with a grain of salt too. see if you can find that article. google and wayback machine should give you the tools to do so. and if you do consider the source, motivations, etc. moreover I'll bet there's plenty of people here with some jew in their family tree. I had a great aunt marry a jew for example. not in my ancestry, but in my extended family. look around and plenty of us will have a cousin or sibling or something married to an asian or some other unpleasant union not of our own choosing. but such acquaintances often have the effect of pushing people towards the truth rather than away from it.

anyhow, all the internet yapping in this situation sure did the work of the jew. outfoxed again white man.

3) as I have pointed out a thousand times, no better way of driving supporters into the hands of the bad guys then jumping their ass the moment they waver. it makes people looking like friends look like a bunch of creeps instead.

VNN getting the Burdi interview is a credit to Alex who has shown consistent fairness and objectivity in printing the many different things he gets. Burdi probably felt confident Alex would print what he had to say and many people would give him a fair shake. I find that interesting as I found his interview interesting.

I wonder if the sum of our comments at this forum have advanced that level of quality or diminished it.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]1) nice to know that the local unit members who probably backslapped him when the going was good are such fair weather friends.

2) I d take that baseless rumour with a grain of salt too. see if you can find that article. google and wayback machine should give you the tools to do so. and if you do consider the source, motivations, etc. moreover I'll bet there's plenty of people here with some jew in their family tree. I had a great aunt marry a jew for example. not in my ancestry, but in my extended family. look around and plenty of us will have a cousin or sibling or something married to an asian or some other unpleasant union not of our own choosing. but such acquaintances often have the effect of pushing people towards the truth rather than away from it.

anyhow, all the internet yapping in this situation sure did the work of the jew. outfoxed again white man.

3) as I have pointed out a thousand times, no better way of driving supporters into the hands of the bad guys then jumping their ass the moment they waver. it makes people looking like friends look like a bunch of creeps instead.

VNN getting the Burdi interview is a credit to Alex who has shown consistent fairness and objectivity in printing the many different things he gets. Burdi probably felt confident Alex would print what he had to say and many people would give him a fair shake. I find that interesting as I found his interview interesting.

I wonder if the sum of our comments at this forum have advanced that level of quality or diminished it.[/QUOTE]

Look AE I know you like the guy and claim to know him really well. I'm just curious how many times have you spent the day fishing with him, or had dinner or gone over his house for a picnic? How many years of friendship that revolved around things that friends do can you claim? You live in Indiana I believe and he lives in NJ. Seems pretty tough to get to know someone so well under those circumstances in such a short amount of time. I have to know someone for a couple of years before I claim them as friend and will say I really know and understand them. I'm just making an observation, because many people it seems, will meet someone once or twice and maybe talk on the phone a few times and then claim them as some lifelong friend.

As for Marc's NA associates how would expect them to react when he ran for the tall grass and would not take any calls from people Marc was back-slapping? How are they supposed to react to someone who made lots of big brave talk on the Internet and at the NA meetings, reffering to the greatness of his background and his storied ancesters and then turns around and says I want nothing to do with these racist anti-semites? I was at the David Irving meeting in May 2002 and Marc was there. The LU coordinator read the opening paragraph to his "Be a Kievsky" which was nothing more than a thinly veiled narcissistic essay for Marc to talk about himself while supposedly praising Rob Freeman. Then big old Rich says lets all give him a round of applause. I was a little miffed and did not clap because I thought "what did this guy do"? Nothing yet as far as I could tell. Anyhow the following weekend we were having another Billy rally in Washington. There was a real threat of violence from the ARA and this was just on the heels of the riot in York. Marc assured us all he was going to be there to stand with us shoulder to shoulder, him being such a hero and all. Guess what? He was a no show. It was then I knew he was full of it. If I had shot my mouth off like him, come hell or high water I would have been in Washington.

As to his very typically Jewish Payday Loan store, I was told by one of the NA members who lived in my town and who was probably the NJ NA's most active dedicated member that that was the business Marc told people he was in. This gentlemen spent lots of time with him in their NA activities, I'll warrant he spent more time with him than you ever have so when he told me that that is how he makes a living I believe him.

As to his neighbors claiming his father in-law is Jewish I read it in the Princeton Packet at the time of his travail. You can choose to say I'm lying or don't believe it. I am not going to go dig up the article to satisfy you. It was there, it may be true, it may be untrue. I don't know for sure. I would not lie even to hurt someone I did not care for. For me it added up, a Shylock loan store and a Jewish father in-law - that's why he had to disavow the NA and WNism.

At the very least you can say he was a big talker who showed very poor judgement and did not think things through very well. Another thing, anyone who pisses money away so freely could not have worked for it.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]............

At the very least you can say he was a big talker who showed very poor judgement and did not think things through very well. Another thing, anyone who pisses money away so freely could not have worked for it.[/QUOTE]

I'll pass on all that stuff and just say I can see how you would feel that way observing this. But, I aggressively googled this story and printed about 20 articles or so on it which are in a folder and I did not see a single one about any jew relatives. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm saying you're repeating a rumour that I do not believe to be true because I have no evidence of the fact and this is a story replete with lies and distortions going in many directions nearly all of which benefit Jews.

As for somebody lending money or not, that never bothered me for a fucking second. I only speak for myself but let me say this: if I could run a payday loan shop I'd do it in a fucking second and charge interest as much as the market would bear. I'd sell alcohol to winos, I'd run a casino. Those things arent my cup of tea but if I could be a success doing them, I wouldnt lose a fucking second of sleep over it. Mostly niggers getting ripped off in that kind of crap anyhow isnt that so? And as for pathetic Whites who want to go out and run up the bill with lenders, or gambling or booze, we might as well dip our beaks. Better somebody who will give back to their ommunity anyhow.

Winning is key here. Ditto that Burdi. Burdi was a talent. We lost him, and from what I read here, it was partly due to a total absene of support from former "kamerades."

Speaking of support, now would be a good time for people to help matt hale with that $5 gift to his dad I have tried to push. Another friend in need of support. What will we do to help, or just write him off too?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I'll pass on all that stuff and just say I can see how you would feel that way observing this. But, I aggressively googled this story and printed about 20 articles or so on it which are in a folder and I did not see a single one about any jew relatives. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm saying you're repeating a rumour that I do not believe to be true because I have no evidence of the fact and this is a story replete with lies and distortions going in many directions nearly all of which benefit Jews.[/QUOTE]

I did not say I knew for certain it was true I said I did read it in one of the Marc Moran articles. As a matter of fact I found it on the first VNN/Bill White Forum, it was the topic of a thread. An article did exist where a woman neighbor of his claimed his father in-law was Jewish that's why she was puzzled over his anti-semetic statements.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]As for somebody lending money or not, that never bothered me for a fucking second. I only speak for myself but let me say this: if I could run a payday loan shop I'd do it in a fucking second and charge interest as much as the market would bear. I'd sell alcohol to winos, I'd run a casino. Those things arent my cup of tea but if I could be a success doing them, I wouldnt lose a fucking second of sleep over it. Mostly niggers getting ripped off in that kind of crap anyhow isnt that so? And as for pathetic Whites who want to go out and run up the bill with lenders, or gambling or booze, we might as well dip our beaks. Better somebody who will give back to their ommunity anyhow.[/QUOTE]

Wow is that a loaded statement! Please stay out of of my new white nation or community if such a place ever comes into being. What are we if we are no better than the amoral bloodsucking tapeworms we seek to rid ourselves of. I know I have certain built in traits. There are just certain things I cannot do, being a bloodsucking parasite is one of them. How low a form of life you have to be to make a living off of usuary, to take advantage of the unfortunate or misguided elements of society. I don't care if it involves taking advantage of dumb niggers I could not do it. I'd be too full of self-loathing. How low for a white man to stoop to jewish usuary. And what of his white customers? I'm sure he takes them aside and says I don't want take advantage of you. What about the white who is maybe not a rocket scientist but finds himself in a tight scrape because a Mexican took his blue collar job or undercut his wages, according to you he is fair game game for Jewish usuary. No lets not take these winos and profligate whites and put them to work doing something productive. No it's okay to attach yourself to them like a Jewish Lamprey and feed. Hitler took the high road like this as did Rockwell. The NAZI party got its financial underpinings bleeding the unfortunate souls of Berlin - It's a well known fact. "Uncle Adolph's Whorehouse and Loans" I believe it was called.

Well if you think it's a good opportunity give your old good buddy Marc a call he will tell you how to get started in the Shylock business. I believe you are a lawyer - You are almost there anyhow.

The fact that you sought to defend being a Shylock pay-day loan store proprietor is proof that that is indeed what he does. You claim to know him very well if I was wrong you would have vehimently denied that was his business.

Lending money against interest is a great invention; it doesn't have to be usury. To be able to borrow money and to sell shares is what has made many a business take off, which has helped us immensely. It's right up there with great inventions such as making a company a separate entity able to have debts and make deals on its own, which made possible the investments that made the Renaissance bloom.

LOL, handwringing over "usury" makes me laugh.

Jews have gotten a leg up on Whitey time and time again from small markets to big ones because we shied away from finance. "usury" is just high price of money for bad credit risks. All anti-usury laws do, from the medieval Church to NS Germany, to modern day, is make it so some folks can NOT borrow even if they would like. In an ideal society, I would like to see strong anti-usury laws.

But this is not an ideal society and we need all the tools at hand. People who dont want to use certain tools is like saying let's follow the Marquess of Queensbury rules with a bunch of streetfighters. Call me names if you like. I say we have no excuse for losing and I dont want to be a Lee-esque Noble Loser. Not to impugn Lee-- I understand why he did what he did. But I would have been with NBF all the way. Else, look into the void and see extinction coming for our heirs if we fail. The horror. The horror.

If you dont want to get your hands dirty fine. People with a strong sense of fairness like that are the foundation of a healthy society. I may in fact be unsavory to different high minded individuals for some reasons but we need people like me too, to help protect the beehive by any means necessary. And legal of course.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]LOL, handwringing over "usury" makes me laugh.

Jews have gotten a leg up on Whitey time and time again from small markets to big ones because we shied away from finance. "usury" is just high price of money for bad credit risks. All anti-usury laws do, from the medieval Church to NS Germany, to modern day, is make it so some folks can NOT borrow even if they would like. In an ideal society, I would like to see strong anti-usury laws.

But this is not an ideal society and we need all the tools at hand. People who dont want to use certain tools is like saying let's follow the Marquess of Queensbury rules with a bunch of streetfighters. Call me names if you like. I say we have no excuse for losing and I dont want to be a Lee-esque Noble Loser. Not to impugn Lee-- I understand why he did what he did. But I would have been with NBF all the way. Else, look into the void and see extinction coming for our heirs if we fail. The horror. The horror.

If you dont want to get your hands dirty fine. People with a strong sense of fairness like that are the foundation of a healthy society. I may in fact be unsavory to different high minded individuals for some reasons but we need people like me too, to help protect the beehive by any means necessary. And legal of course.[/QUOTE]

I unlike you and Marky-Marc would not cheat or take advantage of a fellow white man- no matter how dumb he was, but then again you are a Lawyer, so like I said, taking unfair advantage of people is what you do. Some white community you are planning. If you can find a way to swindle Jews I'm all for it - That is where your rationalizations fall on their face. The Jews got a leg up on us through usuary by swindling us- the outgroup, not by eating their own. You know I really don't consider myself so high minded. I'm just honest.
Well at least you are not writing flowery essays about how noble and sublime you are when in fact you are an unsavory character. You sound like an honest crook and that's better than a dishonest crook any day. You better get back to work padding the hours to soak up the retainer. If clients only knew they spent thousands to have you writing 15 posts a day on VNNF.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST] Look at what happened to Doles all that money and he plead guilty anyway all that money gone down into a black hole. And that was Doles fault.[/QUOTE]
I said that exact same thing and they hung me out to dry. But it is true, ANYONE could have plead Doles guilty for a lot less than $75,000, even the judge was surprised he plead guilty, that money was wasted and should have gone to support his family.


Here are some links about Moran’s mother - in-laws Jewishness I am not sure they will be up or even have the same content when you check them as they did when I put them together.

Yggdrasil, Moran & "being revealed"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=86629&page=1&pp=15
So I Stole The Petition To Impeach Marc Moran
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=5567
Moran Cops a Sunday On the NA & VNN
http://www.citizensagainsthate.com/home/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=114&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=48a6eb7615a72a164d4711cb22bc45b2
VNN Forum welcomed GAY NAZI'S!
http://www.jdl-ny.org/whitewatch.htm
New Jersey Town Taps Racist For Town Council Seat
http://www.liquidlist.com/blog/archives/000239.html
Is Marc Moran Back Writing?
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=7380
Locals Had No Problem With Moran
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=5607


AS far as loaning money goes it is an honorable profession if you don’t take advantage of others. There have been times when I have needed $20,000 and didn’t have the cash on hand and went to a white bank and for a fair interest rate I used their money which I took the high payment option so I could pay them back quicker and thus have less interest.

If you see something valued at let’s say $40,000 and it costs $20,000 paying $3,500- 4,000 for the privilege of using the banks money and getting the deal before someone else (probably non white) can get it is quite a bargain if you ask me.

It is when you take advantage of others like closing if they are a day late on paying is where it becomes immoral.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]............15 posts a day on VNNF.[/QUOTE] Hey you say I'm a lawyer, I never said I was. I could be a janitor or some punk kid in grad school or a Macdonald's chef or something. Anyhow I certainly dont make 15 posts a day, my average is less than that. If you dont like my shit just say so.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]I said that exact same thing and they hung me out to dry. But it is true, ANYONE could have plead Doles guilty for a lot less than $75,000, even the judge was surprised he plead guilty, that money was wasted and should have gone to support his family.


Here are some links about Moran’s Jewishness .............

..........It is when you take advantage of others like closing if they are a day late on paying is where it becomes immoral.[/QUOTE]

First off now you're saying he's a Jew. That is even beyond the rumour isnt it? Are you just making that up for fun or are you confused?

Next thing. How do you figure the funds didnt go to Chester's family. Alex said on VNN that he delivered the money to Theresa Doles. She came on the interenet and acknowledged that. Moreover Alex said that the retainer was 50. That would suggest that if the retainer was 50 she was able to keep the surplus 25 wouldnt it? So dont say it didnt help the family, it did. "Went down a black hole" is untrue.

Moreover who's to say the lawyer didnt refund unused retainer? Instead of assuming that he didnt, why dont you just contact Theresa and ask her? It seems irresponsible to suggest something that might or might not be true.

I share in the disappointment over the plea. I believe that even if Chester was convicted that there would have been likely have been appealable reversible errors. But you give it all away when you cop a plea. VNN had no control over either who he picked for a lawyer or what decisions Chester took. Chester and his family took those decisions themselves and Alex and "Jimmy Teuton" got behind it as did many others who tried to help a comrade in need. The way it turned out was a success for VNN in spite of the disappointments. Today Chester and his family are better off because of it and that is what people do to help a friend in need.

But considering the the legitimate disappointment over the plea, I say, that is why people should encourage Matt Hale's appeal. But instead the defeatism and disappointment rule the day.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]First off now you're saying he's a Jew. That is even beyond the rumour isnt it? Are you just making that up for fun or are you confused?

[/QUOTE]
That was a typo it is corrected now thanks for pointing that out. :)

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]

Moreover who's to say the lawyer didnt refund unused retainer? Instead of assuming that he didnt, [/QUOTE]
The Lawyer was a female Jew, so it was a she.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]The Lawyer was a female Jew, so it was a she.[/QUOTE]

ed marger law firm. marger's daughter works there too. look it up at martindale.com like anybody else can. you will note that the biographies do not say "jew." I think they probably are but again the choice was Chester's not VNNs.

also you continue to present the alleged jewishness of the inlaw as if it were fact. I have never seen that proven. I have not seen the alleged news article. Going on almost a year now, all I have heard about this is unfounded rumour. people may accept this as fact even though to me it has always smacked of jewish lie, and lo and behold now Anarchy Bill says David Irving is a Jew too.

Anarchy Bill is a rumour monger. The evidence that the damage such a fucknut can cause should give us pause before we endlessly indulge unproven rumour. But that would expect us to collectively learn from mistakes wouldnt it? Perhaps that is asking too much.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Hey you say I'm a lawyer, I never said I was. I could be a janitor or some punk kid in grad school or a Macdonald's chef or something. Anyhow I certainly dont make 15 posts a day, my average is less than that. If you dont like my shit just say so.[/QUOTE]

I almost always enjoy your posts - even though you are a lawyer. Actually you are close to 16. I was being generous. :D

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[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]I said that exact same thing and they hung me out to dry. But it is true, ANYONE could have plead Doles guilty for a lot less than $75,000, even the judge was surprised he plead guilty, that money was wasted and should have gone to support his family.


Here are some links about Moran’s mother - in-laws Jewishness I am not sure they will be up or even have the same content when you check them as they did when I put them together.

Yggdrasil, Moran & "being revealed"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=86629&page=1&pp=15
So I Stole The Petition To Impeach Marc Moran
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=5567
Moran Cops a Sunday On the NA & VNN
http://www.citizensagainsthate.com/home/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=114&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=48a6eb7615a72a164d4711cb22bc45b2
VNN Forum welcomed GAY NAZI'S!
http://www.jdl-ny.org/whitewatch.htm
New Jersey Town Taps Racist For Town Council Seat
http://www.liquidlist.com/blog/archives/000239.html
Is Marc Moran Back Writing?
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=7380
Locals Had No Problem With Moran
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=5607


AS far as loaning money goes it is an honorable profession if you don’t take advantage of others. There have been times when I have needed $20,000 and didn’t have the cash on hand and went to a white bank and for a fair interest rate I used their money which I took the high payment option so I could pay them back quicker and thus have less interest.

If you see something valued at let’s say $40,000 and it costs $20,000 paying $3,500- 4,000 for the privilege of using the banks money and getting the deal before someone else (probably non white) can get it is quite a bargain if you ask me.

It is when you take advantage of others like closing if they are a day late on paying is where it becomes immoral.[/QUOTE]

Yes but that is not what these places are. They have some way of securing the money from your paycheck electronically. If you are some construction worker who just relocated to Vegas for instance and your car craps out or your kid got sick and the emergi-center bill was $500 you'd go see one of these Shys and he will loan you the $500 and you pay the vig. I don't know what they charge but you probably pay 50-100 bucks to hold the money for a week. The only difference between them and some Goon mafia loan shark is that they secure their repayment from you electronically not with some knuckle-breaker. Sure sometimes they are soaking some asshole nigger or some irresponsible white, but they are also taking advantage of others unfortunate circumstances, profiting from their misery. The are not charging some reasonable continuously compounded interest like a bank; they are charging the vig(vigorous debt). If I told people on this Forum of some fat jew with a big greasy pitted snozzum taking advantage of poor white in my community we would all scream about stringing the kike up. Marky-Marc Moran does it and it is supposed to be alright somehow. BULLSHIT!

Holy shit batman! That sounds fucking incredible! Are you saying a guy with a money pipeline like that was not an asset? Ye Gods send another such bad dude our way and fast! No wonder the fucking Jews wanted him OUT. Have you considered that you continue to do their work by pissing on him?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Holy shit batman! That sounds fucking incredible! Are you saying a guy with a money pipeline like that was not an asset? Ye Gods send another such bad dude our way and fast! No wonder the fucking Jews wanted him OUT. Have you considered that you continue to do their work by pissing on him?[/QUOTE]

Your erudition has been diminishing with each post. I expect better from you counselor. Besides you already said that. Don't just repeat yourself. You are just grasping at straws at this moment. I got it! You say the jews wanted him out, I'm pissing on him...Therefore I must be a JEW! HA! HA! Call me a troll, and I'll pretend to be insulted and go away. Itz the VNNF way.

nah, I never said therefore you were a jew. just that you're doing their work. you can twist those words if you like, that's the forum way too. LOL

Most people we have disagreements with mean well, I dont doubt you do too.