This topic is an extension of showthread: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=6992
When art becomes pre-interpreted, are we turning it into a weapon which can probably get turned on us?

it is already being turned on us. injecting our politics into art is just fighting fire with fire.

anyhow, the notion of "pure art" ignores the facts about centuries of capitalist and prior to that aristocratic sponsorship of the arts. elites have always wanted artists to depict their interests and themes in the manner intended. sometimes the artist's capable departure from client expectation makes for good museum stories we have all heard from docents.

anyways, I wouldnt lose sleep over this one.

Certainly, have persons who do “artwork” bent backwards or forwards or both for those either lining their pockets or, at most, dropping only mere coins. But don’t such “works” cease to be art, at that point?
I truly believe that there are fully independent artists and there are prostitutes in every branch of the craft, whether it be in sculpture or in music or wherever else.
Sure, decadent art does exist, in my view, but I wouldn’t narrow it down to only political motives, as the cause.
I think that an exibit of decadent art should display “works” from a broader band of “artists” than to only exibit art which is interpreted solely as an instrument of a certain political agenda.
Since art can neither speak nor write, the message conveyed from such can only be transmitted subliminally. When we begin legislating “Subliminal Hate Crime” laws, thin, tall, muscular, short-haired men will be outlawed as subliminal hate criminals, simply because of their appearance. All White Nationals will then be forced to grow spare-tire looking waists, long hair in a pony tail, wear silly looking spectacles and must conduct lisping and mincing behaviour (except females, in which case they will be forced into appearing as pin cushions in potato-bag attire). Sorry, got carried away again. Couldn’t help the levity. But you know the point that I’m trying to make.
We live in a day and age where everything thought incredible has manifested itself, thus we don’t need to fuel an already blazing using an outdated concept.

Why was Brighton banned?

Anyway, there is a piece of "art" by a jude titled, "Gentile Woman Bathed in Pigs Blood", or something to that effect. I would like very much to find a digital copy.

When one calls art "decadent", its primarily based on the viewers belief. Surely the vile juden finds the painting of a white woman and her children decadent? It reminds the jew of his place as an alien parasite, and he feels the need to label it, "evil" or "decadent".

To me, decadent art would be say, Dada or postmodern art.

It has no function, relies entirely on "shock", and evolves into just marketing for the sake of marketing.

One of my favorite paintings, which I look forward to seeing in the Uffizi gallery:

http://www.st.hirosaki-u.ac.jp/~rmiya/pic/venus.png

Certainly, have persons who do “artwork” bent backwards or forwards or both for those either lining their pockets or, at most, dropping only mere coins. But don’t such “works” cease to be art, at that point?
I truly believe that there are fully independent artists and there are prostitutes in every branch of the craft, whether it be in sculpture or in music or wherever else..........

I would rather have a "prostituted" work of art by a master than an "independent" work by a fool.

Theme in art, is transistory and particular. Quality is transcendant.

Art meaning plastic arts like painting or sculpture are potential instrumentalities for political struggle. I would not cast aside any opportunity or tool at hand.

Make no mistake the Jews have wrecked "art" with their irony and sarcasm and "kitsch." The anti-cultural vomit of Amerikwan degenerate kosher filth has overwhelmed us and people abroad and the solution is not to fuss over art, but fuss over Jews. A thorough ausrotting will set much aright.

[QUOTE=Draco]Why was Brighton banned?


When one calls art "decadent", its primarily based on the viewers belief. Surely the vile juden finds the painting of a white woman and her children decadent? It reminds the jew of his place as an alien parasite, and he feels the need to label it, "evil" or "decadent".

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When the Jude interprets any Gentile art as decadent, that’s exclusively his problem and no one elses. I don’t yet understand why this would be an issue otherwise, since we exist in a Gentile environment or at least it’s supposed to be that way. It becomes an issue, when this non-issue gets converted to an issue through calcutive illusionary effects.
I totally agree with you, that you’re of the opinion that an artwork’s decadence is subject to the interpretation of the viewer. That is the point I was trying to make, all along. When one labels a certain artwork, one attracts the attention to it that it otherwise wouldn’t receive nor merit. And when someone gets attracted to something, there is a chance that this certain one will form an opinion over this artwork that would otherwise not have been formulated if this artwork only had been judged for its aesthetic value.
Incidentally, I wish to compliment the frescoe you’ve posted. Indeed, an artwork which garnishes the ceiling in the bastion of Catholocism, .where neither Jew nor Moslem has anything to say. Hindus and Buddhists would never have shown the indecency to criticize

Why was Brighton banned?

Anyway, there is a piece of "art" by a jude titled, "Gentile Woman Bathed in Pigs Blood", or something to that effect. I would like very much to find a digital copy.

When one calls art "decadent", its primarily based on the viewers belief. Surely the vile juden finds the painting of a white woman and her children decadent? It reminds the jew of his place as an alien parasite, and he feels the need to label it, "evil" or "decadent".

When the Jude interprets any Gentile art as decadent, that’s exclusively his problem and no one elses. I don’t yet understand why this would be an issue otherwise, since we exist in a Gentile environment or at least it’s supposed to be that way. It becomes an issue, when this non-issue gets converted to an issue through calcutive illusionary effects.
I totally agree with you, that you’re of the opinion that an artwork’s decadence is subject to the interpretation of the viewer. That is the point I was trying to make, all along. When one labels a certain artwork, one attracts the attention to it that it otherwise wouldn’t receive nor merit. And when someone gets attracted to something, there is a chance that this certain one will form an opinion over this artwork that would otherwise not have been formulated if this artwork only had been judged for its aesthetic value.
Incidentally, I wish to compliment the fresco you’ve posted. Indeed, an artwork which garnishes the ceiling in the bastion of Catholocism, .where neither Jew nor Moslem has anything to say. Hindus and Buddhists would never have the indecencey to criticize

Why was Brighton banned?

To me, decadent art would be say, Dada or postmodern art.

It has no function, relies entirely on "shock", and evolves into just marketing for the sake of marketing....


Can you pinpoint as to why you interpret such as decadent? Isn't this solely of your inception?
Why must art have a function other than that of aesthetic communication?

........Why must art have a function other than that of aesthetic communication?

Because art serves as a tool to help our folk survive. Considering that the best art has come from Europe, if Europeans go away so will the best art.

Right now all hands on deck. Solopsistic navel gazing of the bohemian artist variety is a luxury we can ill afford. Such individualistic pursuits are worthy at this time only to part fools from their money and redeploy said money to better destinations.

Because art serves as a tool to help our folk survive. Considering that the best art has come from Europe, if Europeans go away so will the best art.

Right now all hands on deck. Solopsistic navel gazing of the bohemian artist variety is a luxury we can ill afford. Such individualistic pursuits are worthy at this time only to part fools from their money and redeploy said money to better destinations.

Art serves best as a tool of example for others to try to match and supercede, if possible. Because White culture and technik are superior, that should be enough to gain respect from non-Europeans. Respect is lost when weakness is shown. Our societies are presently showing male effeminism, national masochism, decadence and gullibility. I think it is urgent do put a lid on those faults, before we begin to tackle the fine details. Namely, the judgement of others' artworks

J._Stiller&Anne_Mara wrote:

When the Jude interprets any Gentile art as decadent, that’s exclusively his problem and no one elses.


Not if he is an art gallery owner or an art critic, as is very common with Jews! Jews have been the gatekeepers of all Western art, deciding which is proper and which is not. How can you say that?

Let me ask you: how many screennames do you have here at VNNF? [because many people have commented to me about that issue]. Do you have any other screennames than this one?





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Anyway, there is a piece of "art" by a jude titled, "Gentile Woman Bathed in Pigs Blood", or something to that effect. I would like very much to find a digital copy.



See here:

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/politics/twoartists.htm

Art is very much an emotional concept. It can be objective and subjective, and, it also can be none of these things.

Why did some people like the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and some hate both or either or none ?

Having said that, art is a thing and an expression. The jews in particular as is their wont, introduced crap like 'avant garde' paintings and music. 'Avant Garde' Jazz is an absolute abomination, and I can well understand why Herr Hitler banned this trivia/crap from Germany.

Cubism and dadaism are fecking jokes . Picasso's paintings are the work of a charlatan, and only showed a resonance with the upper class and jewish infiltrated hierarchies that unfortunately grew particularly since, the late 19th. Century.

Art is very difficult to comprehend, and it is usually a cultural concept. For example; why do I get prickles on the back of my neck, when Jussi Bjorling sings Nessun Dorma on my CD player ? I have no idea what the words mean. But I KNOW, that I like it very much. I know what I like :D

Not if he is an art gallery owner or an art critic, as is very common with Jews! Jews have been the gatekeepers of all Western art, deciding which is proper and which is not. --------

I thought I explained that already. 2nd try:
Jews may be existing as museum caretakers in Arizona which would be something for you to deal with, since it’s on your turf. We haven’t have had this problem here in Germany for 70 years now, because it has been consequently dealt with. Our infiltrators are presently Turks who are fiercely taking front against White interests and are keeping us busy on many fronts. If Jews don’t like certain art, simply point the Jew and call him to question.


How can you say that?
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How can I say what, in particular?


Let me ask you: how many screennames do you have here at VNNF?
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Yeah That’s true. So what about it?


[because many people have commented to me about that issue]. Do you have any other screennames than this one?
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About what issue? Many members have different screen names on this forum. As I read the VNN forum rules, there is nothing mentioned about the prohibition of posting under various “Screen names”.
What about KLM’s 4 day ban? Have you got around to reinstating it? I’m flattered that many members are showing concern about KLM and Nick Nolte. They are the most popular of my characters, although not intended to be so. They attract more attention than the informative characters, but that’s not all that bad. If KLM attracts business, why not? It gets people hooked onto the site where they can read other threads. Now and then, KLM threw in something purely on a moral basis, but that only got rare viewing. That’s something that I had no influence on. The viewer has the obligation to briden his/her horizons. I won’t let them down, regardless. Since this is an international White forum, it’s understandable that there are instances of culture shock, now and then.
As many times as I’ve changed the KLM avatar, members would always request me to return it for display. It gets them rolling on the floor. I use various characters for different motives and for organizational purposes, but your way of asking, seems threatening and not in a manner denoting pure curiosity. This view is fortified through your track record and tone of voice. No other moderator except Georgie has acted in this manner, and with good reason not to act so. You seem to jump to conclusions before requesting a clarification on a civilized basis, otherwise I wouldn’t have been banned as KLM in the 1st place. Furthermore, Georgie has closed that one thread which you never answered my question on yet. The thread was posted as an issue, as a question for which most have positively polled. Others who blatantly condoned felonies are still posting today, but it seems that I’m taking the fall in this witch-hunt in a manner that we accuse the Jews of doing.
I know what I’m doing when I post and am careful to formulate posts in a manner which should leave no doubt that my material couldn’t be interpreted as illegal or contrary to the interests of this forum and to the White movement in general. If certain issues pose a problem here, it’s still A:Linder’s forum, thus isn’t it up to him to revise and to supplement any rules here? Even he has stated that he’s not in agreement with every 3rd Reich policy. Namely, he is in favor of a market economy. Are you going to ban him for that?
If there isn’t rule of law anymore here, what’s the future for this forum?
If there are new rules here, why don’t you be a man about it and tell us, instead of setting traps? Or is that asking too much?

Sorry, I just question why a person would use a variety of screennames when 1 will do. What would be the purpose of returning to a forum using many different names? Most posters only have one screenname.

Plus, it gets confusing for the other posters. The other posters wonder, "is this really a new person on the forum, or someone posing as a new person?" See?

I would like to see Tom88 and A. L. create such a rule and I will make that recommendation to them.

And:


setting traps?

Traps? I simply asked if you have many different screennames.



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Sorry, I just question why a person would use a variety of screennames when 1 will do. What would be the purpose of returning to a forum using many different names? Most posters only have one screenname.

Plus, it gets confusing for the other posters. The other posters wonder, "is this really a new person on the forum, or someone posing as a new person?" See?

I would like to see Tom88 and A. L. create such a rule and I will make that recommendation to them.

And:
Traps? I simply asked if you have many different screennames.
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I'm Turk Hunter also. This is a no nonsense charachter who posts on European issues. If I used only 1 charachter, I would be spending too much time looking up showthreads where someone might be responding.
Turk Hunter isn't so interesting for viewers outside of continental Europe.
For them, a boring charachter is sufficient

Also, it is hard to build up 'commeraderie' and trust in a forum when other posters are using different screennames. In that sense, multiple screennames are unfair to the other posters.

For example, when poster X is talking to poster Y and poster Y is not really Y but instead poster Z, that is unfair to the first poster. See? He is talking to 'someone else.'

I urge all posters to use only one screenname.



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Hey bro, to get back on topic is there such a thingas degenerate art? . certainly itreigns in the UK where Jewish Artists such as Tracie Emin have won major cash art prizes for exhibiting her old used underwear as 'Art'.

Even worse than this degenerate art/public health violation is the Jewish art Patron who pays cash to buy this degenerate art.

Why?

Well after a ferwyears of having the 'Art' insured, it sometimes mysteriously catcjhes fire. Art/old pants go up in smoke, and wealthy jewish patron co-lects Insurance pay out$$$$$$$$ Big Time!.

Degen Art is sure real Good noows for Jooz. :mad:

http://www.kurtwenner.com/

Now JS&AM seem to have run off and left this thread, also.

Perhaps I should have sent my question via Pony Express!


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Originally Posted by J._Stiller&Anne_Mara

As church and state are to exist separately, politics and art should too

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JS&AM,

That is quite a proclamation ! I certainly would like to hear your thoughts and reasoning on this subject!

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I thought this thread was closed. Well, you can exibit a collection called "Art created by decadent artists" or "Art created by NS artists" but to accuse the works themselves would be a questionable undertaking. The "Bauhaus School of Architecture" was closed by the NS as decadent architecture, although building science itself hasn't the ability to be decadent

J._Stiller&Anne_Mara

You are evading the question asked:


I don’t think so. Maybe you’re avoiding comprehension. Anyway, my answer is not intended as a proclamation, but as an opinion subject to debate. I’ll try to go into detail:
Decadent art is that where the decadence is obvious as such that no doubt can find itself in sober minds. For example, if one was to go about painting a portrait of 2 Arabia Lawrences who are going about an excrement burglary, you can safely declare this as decadent art. However, to declare a painting by Salvador Dali as decadent, only because Salvador Dali’s political views differed from those of Spanish dictator Francisco Franco (no known relation to the super moderator who calls himself that)’s, well, that’s getting dangerous, especially when there exists no substance in the painting which could concretely prove the accusation. What would happen when a decadent person were to paint an obvious non-decadent picture (let’s say, one of a blonde-haired, blue-eyed family working on a farm)? Should this still be classified as decadent art?
If you find error in this opinion, please explain.

Jarl asks:

Would you please explain why you think "church and state" and "politics and art" "ARE TO EXIST SEPARATELY" ....

Combining church and state often leads to a fundamentalist government.
The 2 are separate institutions which are better left that way, in most cases.
Think of what would have happened if the 2 institutions were to be fused together in Germany 70 years ago. In that case, ethnic cleansing would have been impossible.
On the other hand, a fusing of church and state in Russia or any other Eastern Orthodox country would have had the opposite effect, as proved by the Pogroms and recently in the Balkans

WOW! http://www.ethanwiner.com/Smileys/Confused2.gif LOL !



The German Religion!

Deutsche Glaubensbewegung (German Faith Movement)

[...........And since nothing exists separately in Nature it would be racial/cultural suicide to deny the relationships between the Race, State, Art and Religon.

The (National Socialist Racial) State (Directives) must have primacy over ALL.

By the way, ¿are you perhaps GOD?

By the way, ¿are you perhaps GOD?

No he is not God. But heck, he sure does seem to write like the real Caradoc.

No he is not God. But heck, he sure does seem to write like the real Caradoc.

True, but this is only an illusion designed to hide his true identity which is God. God has often done this in the past, using a Savior a talking donkey and other voices. Scripture says so. Here is proof:
1- He commands as God would: You are evading the question asked: That is quite a proclamation ! I certainly would like to hear your thoughts and reasoning on this subject! Would you please explain why you think "church and state" and "politics and art" "ARE TO EXIST SEPARATELY"
2- God doesn’t lie. “JARL” doesn’t deny my accusation that he really exists as God. If he wasn’t God he would admit that he wasn’t God or would lie that he is. That he is God he cannot lie, therefore remains silent, on the matter, or will try to evade the subject, but isn’t able to lie about it. This is simple Salomonic logic
3- His avatar is Godlike
4- God is almighty, therefore he is fully able to sign up at this forum or even at Stormfront
You see, the evidence is mounting up. There is so much evidence now, that it is now a matter of proving that he isn’t God

This is the "Civil Forum"!

Please do not call me dirty, nasty names like that!

Ja_Ho_Ho_Ho_va...

that Vile, Nasty Old Jew Mind Meme...



http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v258/heimdall2/misc/Demon.jpg
Thine sense of humor proveth thou GOD. God haveth supposedly a sense of humor. This is further proof that thou art God

A case of a misfortunate fate of careers when the museum curator should be the museum janitor and the museum janitor should have become the museum curator. This proves that there’s no justice in this wörld. The janitor judged this questionable artwörk for what it really was and did the proper thing with it:

...When is a bag of rubbish not a bag of rubbish? When it's an integral piece of a high-profile exhibition at one of London's most famous galleries...http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1292094,00.html

The author of this thread is banned. Thanks Jew



Please explain exactly what you mean by that.





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The author of this thread is one of your alternate screen names KLM. Stop whining about it and get over it.

The author of this thread is one of your alternate screen names KLM. Stop whining about it and get over it.
I töök the matter up with an adult, some time ago

Please explain exactly what you mean by that.--

Gladly, but 1st, there’s some old business to get out of the way, before moving on to new:
Oh please, you're just upset because you cant post under 4 different screen names. You are freely allowed to post under KLM are you not? So whats your problem, you like talking to yourself?
If you didn't ban senior member Turk Hunter, then you aren't the Moderator I should be discussing the issue with, in the 1st place.
When somebody gets banned, the whole archive gets banned along with it and the banned personality gets tagged, "...hates White people", although this charachter posted only productive, pro-White-people material
That is not the issue. The issue is why do people need multiple screennames in the first place? No one has yet answered that question for me, the key word being need, not want... ----------
I’ve answered this question some time ago, however I’ll repeat myself.
1- I don’t see this as an issue of screen names. I differentiate between characters and their personalities who serve different purposes. I can see your point when abuses of privileges come into play, but this isn’t always the case
2- In my case and I’m sure with that of some others, organization is need ed. To achieve this different characters help separate different topics and issues. Turk Hunter represented a no-nonsense character who dealt with European issues on the European Forum. Kind Lampshade Maker isn’t suitable for this, because he serves a different purpose which is to show a lighter side of WN. When KLM starts posting dead serious on some issues, there is a possibility that he won’t be taken seriously leaving the reader to doubt his credibility on certain issues. KLM was originally designed for the Chutzpah Lounge, Gardening, for wordplay and satire elsewhere and to embarrass those who slip up without insulting them except for incorrigable cases like Fredrik Hearn’s with his Sweden-only-for-Swedes-nationalism and flaming where he’s not allowed to
3- I’m surprised my “Der Führer” character hasn’t been banned yet. This character was last used as a 3rd Reich picture archive and hasn’t posted since Adolf Hitler’s birthday
4- J. Stiller was intended as a replacement for the banned Nick Nolte turned present day KLM. Since J.Siller wouldn’t boot for a while, outside of private messaging I sent KLM on the requested Nick Nolte mission. Some members PMed me to say that the banning of Nick Nolte by Georgie, for something he and many others are presently doing to Hitler Goddess, sucked. So, I tacked the Nick Nolte avatar onto KLM to continue the legend. I’ve never made it a secret that I own these characters
5- I used these different characters to separate archives for easier backtracking instead of going through the VNNF search engine which often sent me in various different directions. Members, especially new ones, bring up issues which were already brought up. For these situations, I had my postings on those issues stored in the archives of those appropriate characters for access in a reasonable amount of time
Furthermore, this new rule wasn't agreed upon to take effect retroactively. Members who have at least 100 postings were to be spared from this new ruling. The original posting of this ruling has been deleted. I'll see if I have stored the original show thread
A bit harsh perhaps, do we really "need" to post here at all?

I myself considered an alter ego before the ban, I was going to have a poster named diabloblanco69 who would interject "he/she looks White to me" every time a pic of an obvious non-White was posted, to show the folly of the real diabloblanco62 without long pointless debates with him as to whether a 1/8 White and 7/8 meztizo individual is White :rolleyes:

Lampshade makes a good point also in that one may not be taken seriously using the same name for important philosophical dicussions as he uses for tongue-in-cheek attempted virtual seductions of Hitler Goddess ;)
Right now, it’s only important to reassure Alex that he wasn’t the target of my accusation (who would sabotage one's own forum?) . All others aren’t important here, because it’s still exclusively his forum, no matter what anyone else thinks. I refer as Jews anyone who attempts at undermining this forum, given the fact that many have abstained from posting here until times get better again

I refer as Jews anyone who attempts at undermining this forum, given the fact that many have abstained from posting here until times get better again



1. Who is undermining the forum? Give exact names.


2. Who is abstaining from posting here until times get better? Give exact names.




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For 'Degenerate art' the worst kind is the large-scale performance art of 'Christo' and the geriatric red-haired muse who accompanies him on his exploits.

Who now recalls the degenerate "art" exercise when Christo wrapped the Reichstag Building in fabric?

Other degenerate art farces include Christo's "Wrapped trees Basel", "The Wall Oberhausen", "Valley Curtain", "Surround islands",
"Vespa", "Bottle", "Magazine" and other "ephemeral visual tat" masquerading as 'art'.

Link:-
http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/

'Art' or large scale visual pollution on an industrial scale?.

Is this decadent art?
http://www.abcgallery.com/B/botticelli/botticelli26.html