Julius Evola in his work "Ride The Tiger" takes the stance that the Differentiated or Traditional Man for the sake of his own spiritual development and integrity should avoid marriage and close emotional relationships as in this present age of the Kali Yuga such institutions have lost the relevance and sacred significance once accorded during the Golden Age.

I quote:"I this epoch of dissolution it is hard for the differentiated man to become involved in marriage or family in any way. It is not a matter of ostentatious anticonformism, but a conclusion drawn from a vision consistent with reality, in which the imperative of an inner freedom remains.
In a world like the present, the differentiated man must be able to have the self at his disposal, all his life long. It is not for him to form any ties in this realm, any more than ascetics or mercenaries in another epoch would have done. It is not that he is unwilling to assume even graver burdens: the problem refers instead to that which, in itself, is devoid of any meaning."

Evola contends that modern marriage has had a false sacral aspect forced upon it and consequently much petit-bourgeois morality has been imposed upon the said institution which it did not have in the ancient Aryan world.
The differentiated man must reject such hypocracy and false imposed morality that does not accord with his own Weltanschauung.
That in itself does not infer a blanket rejection of marital relationships but such ties can impede the path of the Ariya on his way to his own personal Awakening.

Parallel this with the theme of "apoliteia." The kshatriya being engaged in politics but in a detached manner. ?? To me that only means, you do what must be done but are not "attached" to the outcome. In martial arts this is called mu-shin which means no mind and it is a key to effectuality.

How can man be "in the world but not of it" is the essential problem under a different guise.

Take this back to marriage. In my view a "differentiated man" can be engaged in a marital relationship and for all the shortcomings of his spouse or society, he is spiritually self sufficient and so the failings and disappointments do not "effect" him or his journey but are integrated into it like all other obstacles and challenges. So I view marriage even in the degenerate state it may exist as in this kali yuga, as opportunity like any other.

Moreover, absolute withdrawal from marriage, after ample opportunity to meet someone, such as you see with the middle aged homosexual or philanderer, to me is often a sign not of the differentiated or superior man, but more often an inferior one, often someone incapable of the sustained emotional effort that such a relationship involves.

I dont rule out that there are "differentiated men" like Evola himself who have good reasons for this, but they are probably as rare as he.

Parallel this with the theme of "apoliteia." The kshatriya being engaged in politics but in a detached manner. ?? To me that only means, you do what must be done but are not "attached" to the outcome. In martial arts this is called mu-shin which means no mind and it is a key to effectuality.

Good comparison.

How can man be "in the world but not of it" is the essential problem under a different guise.

Evola made clear in his "The Doctrine Of Awakening" that the man who seeks to take the lonely path of the Ariya can do so just as if not more effectively in todays alienated concrete jungle Western World as in the Ancient East. The very strangeness of the world in which we find ourselves is sufficient for the Ariya to foster and maintain a sense of detachment.

Take this back to marriage. In my view a "differentiated man" can be engaged in a marital relationship and for all the shortcomings of his spouse or society, he is spiritually self sufficient and so the failings and disappointments do not "effect" him or his journey but are integrated into it like all other obstacles and challenges. So I view marriage even in the degenerate state it may exist as in this kali yuga, as opportunity like any other.

This is a valid point but marriage places or seeks to impose restrictions on the differentiated man in the sense of his own personal development. It is difficult for such a man to be detached from the world and yet maintain a relationship which would satisfy the wants of his wife.

Moreover, absolute withdrawal from marriage, after ample opportunity to meet someone, such as you see with the middle aged homosexual or philanderer, to me is often a sign not of the differentiated or superior man, but more often an inferior one, often someone incapable of the sustained emotional effort that such a relationship involves.

But does not such "sustained emotional effort" detract from the Ariyas path? Does it not impede his desire for detachment?

I dont rule out that there are "differentiated men" like Evola himself who have good reasons for this, but they are probably as rare as he.

Yes, by necessity this must be the case.

this quote and your conversation about it reminds me of Hesse's novel Siddhartha and the third phase of the book where he makes a family relationship with the woman at the river. have you read this book?

this quote and your conversation about it reminds me of Hesse's novel Siddhartha and the third phase of the book where he makes a family relationship with the woman at the river. have you read this book?

I really don't know much about what you guys are talking about, but I definitely had flashbacks to reading Siddhartha when I read some of the things you guys said in this thread. Well, I don't have anything productive to say, but I kind of laughed when I saw that you said that, when I had thought about Siddhartha just moments before.

Moreover, absolute withdrawal from marriage, after ample opportunity to meet someone, such as you see with the middle aged homosexual or philanderer, to me is often a sign not of the differentiated or superior man, but more often an inferior one, often someone incapable of the sustained emotional effort that such a relationship involves.



Yes, the most well-liked activists are usually those with families. If a guy doesn't have a family he cuts himself off from the normal world, which often makes him a quite strange fellow. It also often saps him of strength in his older years, as it is a terrible thing not to have a mate and offspring, whereas the family man will have more will to live and will also have a family to help him in a number of ways.

Furthermore, those who live only for the cause often become power-hungry, determined to keep whatever position and power they have, not caring if they are not the most competent man for that position. That is because they don't have anything else; this is how many nationalist parties and organizations are torn apart.

That said, of course it's more difficult for the altruistic nationalist to find a woman with enough guts to marry him, since he will always be without rights and protection.

this quote and your conversation about it reminds me of Hesse's novel Siddhartha and the third phase of the book where he makes a family relationship with the woman at the river. have you read this book?


No I havent.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Moreover, absolute withdrawal from marriage, after ample opportunity to meet someone, such as you see with the middle aged homosexual or philanderer, to me is often a sign not of the differentiated or superior man, but more often an inferior one, often someone incapable of the sustained emotional effort that such a relationship involves.
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Yes, the most well-liked activists are usually those with families.

Liked by whom? The ignorant masses?

If a guy doesn't have a family he cuts himself off from the normal world, which often makes him a quite strange fellow.

By whose standards? The masses?

It also often saps him of strength in his older years,

Correction, a wife saps a man of his "strength",his will power, his vitality and his sense of purpose.[Not to mention his wealth].

as it is a terrible thing not to have a mate and offspring,

Why is it so terrible? Tell me more about YOUR fears!

whereas the family man will have more will to live and will also have a family to help him in a number of ways.

Such as what? Spending his money? Using up his even more valuable time? Sapping his vitality? Which?

Furthermore, those who live only for the cause often become power-hungry, determined to keep whatever position and power they have, not caring if they are not the most competent man for that position.

You know people like this?

That is because they don't have anything else; this is how many nationalist parties and organizations are torn apart.

Really? Do share more of your insight with us!

That said, of course it's more difficult for the altruistic nationalist to find a woman with enough guts to marry him, since he will always be without rights and protection.

Your last comment I dont understand at all.

Aryan Lord, if you can't follow the rules of the civil forum, you shouldn't be here. Your sarcasm doesn't have a place here; if you don't have any real reply, then shut up, okay? And yes, I know people like that; I wouldn't describe them otherwise.

Aryan Lord, if you can't follow the rules of the civil forum, you shouldn't be here. Your sarcasm doesn't have a place here; if you don't have any real reply, then shut up, okay? And yes, I know people like that; I wouldn't describe them otherwise.


I see so as a pagan I am not allowed to challenge your attack on my religion but I am required to accept, nay welcome your proseltysing for christianity on MY thread on a subject that has nothing to do with religion? Is that correct?

What? I wrote nothing about religion. And I'm atheist as hell, as you could tell if you'd seen me write in the religion forum.

Julius Evola in his work "Ride The Tiger" takes the stance that the Differentiated or Traditional Man for the sake of his own spiritual development and integrity should avoid marriage and close emotional relationships as in this present age of the Kali Yuga such institutions have lost the relevance and sacred significance once accorded during the Golden Age.

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As the mythical 'Golden age' of man pre-dated the Greeks civilisation by some thousand years and according to some the 'Golden Age' ended with the decline of Atlantis ; does it mean that several millenia of 'marriage as an Institution' that modern man has held most sacred as an Institution, has all been in vain? :p


Does it also mean that the 'Black' is ahead of the game by no longer marrying but leaving abandoned single parent black bastards in Western Society? :mad:

What? I wrote nothing about religion. And I'm atheist as hell, as you could tell if you'd seen me write in the religion forum.

My apologies: I mistook you for a christian. I have been plagued by them recently. You should feel honoured: I dont apologise to just any old body. ;)

As the mythical 'Golden age' of man pre-dated the Greeks civilisation by some thousand years and according to some the 'Golden Age' ended with the decline of Atlantis ; does it mean that several millenia of 'marriage as an Institution' that modern man has held most sacred as an Institution, has all been in vain? :p

Sacral marriage should be set apart for the "few", not for the "many". This is the result of the democratising effects of christianity. Such things are beyond the level of understanding of the herd.


Does it also mean that the 'Black' is ahead of the game by no longer marrying but leaving abandoned single parent black bastards in Western Society? :mad:


The Black has no monopoly on that little game-the Aryan by contrast is no shining angel.There are plenty of white bastards that abound.

spot on Fred.

the right gal shouldnt give a damn too much for politics one way or another. I believe a natural feminine orientation is towards family and kin and persons tangibly known and not the res publica.

She should have a minimum of understanding and respect for it, but the disinclination to participate on her own part is probably normal and for the best.

Now, they MUST understand the wicked nature of the JEW. That is far more important information and absolutely useful to keeping together family and kin as Jews are experts at ruining families. That is part of the problem in Anglo-America, is that Jews have much intermarried, and so as the more aggressive ones using waspish civility against us, they neutralize dissent with their mischlinges.

Plus women can better understand politics if they know there is a quiet tribe of manipulators called "Jew" pulling strings in the West. With that simple quantum of information, much confusion can be resolved.

Give ladies what they need, demand space for your own activities, and at the same time dont expect them to be Joan of Arc. We have to do lead our own Reconquista and they will follow.

In the times we live in all good white racists should be having as many kids as they can. More Aryan kids the better.

Why? What purpose would this serve? Surely it is miscegenation that is destroying us not our numbers?

In simple terms, it is not a time of love and devotion to love, but a time of war and disease. It is only natural that the sickness of the times would effect your marriage negatively. The divorce rate is so high now, and many marriages are approved out of total nonsense that people today don't really know what marriage is about to begin with. Add gay marriage to this--what on earth is a gay marriage? gay mirage perhaps?

In more spiritual terms, no one's marriage today is valid because we are living in a lunar society where male and femal proper roles are no longer fulfilled, so therefore the simple term "marriage" does not make any sense whatsoever.

Now is the time to fight! There can be no love in this sick world we live in. For the children born today are condemned to an eternity of hell.

In simple terms, it is not a time of love and devotion to love, but a time of war and disease. It is only natural that the sickness of the times would effect your marriage negatively. The divorce rate is so high now, and many marriages are approved out of total nonsense that people today don't really know what marriage is about to begin with. Add gay marriage to this--what on earth is a gay marriage? gay mirage perhaps?

In more spiritual terms, no one's marriage today is valid because we are living in a lunar society where male and femal proper roles are no longer fulfilled, so therefore the simple term "marriage" does not make any sense whatsoever.

Now is the time to fight! There can be no love in this sick world we live in. For the children born today are condemned to an eternity of hell.

Wisely said.

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In more spiritual terms, no one's marriage today is valid because we are living in a lunar society where male and femal proper roles are no longer fulfilled, so therefore the simple term "marriage" does not make any sense whatsoever.

Now is the time to fight! There can be no love in this sick world we live in. For the children born today are condemned to an eternity of hell.

speak for yourself. part of being a "differentiated man" is overcoming the limitations of time and place and actually bringing into existence something better. marriage family and children can and should be a part of that.

reading 'ride the tiger' it seemed appropriate that evola struggled with nietzsche as nietzsche struggled with nihilism. did they overcome it or not? I note that neither had heirs. that certainly does not count towards "overcoming" in my book.

Do I even really needed to answer this? Why are you here why I'am here because our ancestors had kids and so on. The purpose is more racially white aryan people would be created. And the line would be carried on if you want to live like a monk thats your bag not mine.

Having children is hardly a big deal. Let those who feel servile have them and let those who are focusing on their own spiritual development free from domestic encumbrances not have them.
You shouldnt forget that unser Fuehrer never had a child but that did not make him any less of an Aryan.

speak for yourself. part of being a "differentiated man" is overcoming the limitations of time and place and actually bringing into existence something better. marriage family and children can and should be a part of that.

reading 'ride the tiger' it seemed appropriate that evola struggled with nietzsche as nietzsche struggled with nihilism. did they overcome it or not? I note that neither had heirs. that certainly does not count towards "overcoming" in my book.

You are not yet ready to appreciate the path of the Ariya. I suggest that you read some more Evola before you comment. Try "The Doctrine Of Awakening" and "The Yoga Of Power" next.

You are not yet ready to appreciate the path of the Ariya. I suggest that you read some more Evola before you comment. Try "The Doctrine Of Awakening" and "The Yoga Of Power" next.



Lol thanks for the advice Herr. Luckily they are on my shelf already. "I hear and obey"

Lol thanks for the advice Herr. Luckily they are on my shelf already. "I hear and obey"

Good; now take them off your shelf where they have been gathering dust as ornaments and read them!

......... Let those who feel servile have them and let those who are focusing on their own spiritual development free from domestic encumbrances not have them..........


I am a servant of my race.

Here we have an illustration of a fundamental difference between the collective focus of NS and the individualist perspective of other paths.

I am reading another book called "Gods of the Blood" and the author identifies this individualist orientation with the satan-set crowd.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0822330717/qid=1089756861/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-7953944-9942505?v=glance&s=books

I certainly do not identify myself with any lavey or aquino. a self absorbed type working on "spiritual development" would not likely have much time for such mundane tasks as changing diapers. however not all ascetic traditions consider mundane labors in a negative light. perhaps you are the one who should re-read Doctrine of Awakening and consider Jap applications of Zen to la vie quotidienne more closely. Thomas Merton did; and found in monastic order and the discipline of 'ora et labora' a simple path to enlightenment.

Hitler did lead a life of great personal discipline, devotion, and sacrifice. Will people who elect not to take on the responsibility of family life replace that time and effort with similar Herculean devotions or will they fill the gap with mindless self indulgence instead? Looking at the average White person I would say, they often elect not to have kids simply due to the labor involved. Avoiding hardship is exactly the opposite of what the "differentiated man" does.

You exsist because your ancestor thought having children was a big deal.

No they didnt: like most people I was an "accident". Dont give me that "children are our future" nonsense! Plenty of white people will continue to have children, planned or unthinkingly but the Superman has a different path to take and he cannot take this path by being responsible for others.

As for Hitler not having kids that is a shame his direct line should have lived on out of all people. Children eqaul the furture of the race without them the race will die in a generation. And all the spiritaul development will not change the facts of nature. The creator developed people to mate and have off spring,

Your "creator" being who exactly?

so it is keeping with natural law to have children. Spookcraft aside. A big part of the ancient religions was fertility rites for a reason.

Let me remind you-we are not talking "fertility religions" here but the path of the Ariya. Do you understand that?

LOL. Leave it to the WN egghead brigade to consult books before making love and having kids. Your ancestors didn't have to be scholars to procreate. Holy Hell!

Have as many white children as you can afford. It's fun and rewarding.

Do you discuss Evola to get in the mood? You sly dogs! Thank heavens you're not actually running our race.

K


Keystone please do not abuse the rules of this forum and keep it civil AND relevant: your post adds nothing to this thread.

You exsist because your ancestor thought having children was a big deal. As for Hitler not having kids that is a shame his direct line should have lived on out of all people. Children eqaul the furture of the race without them the race will die in a generation. And all the spiritaul development will not change the facts of nature. The creator developed people to mate and have off spring, so it is keeping with natural law to have children. Spookcraft aside. A big part of the ancient religions was fertility rites for a reason.

The Americans would have captured Hitler's children and handed them over to the Soviets for "special treatment" and the Half-Jew NKVD Chief Beria would have enjoyed himself by raping Hitler's daughters. Don't kid yourself, it was very lucky that Hitler had no children because they would have been raped and tortured for the rest of their lives. Goebbels was right to kill all of his children because they would have indeed denounced him and the Third Reich for the rest of their lives in accordance with the new Anti-Nazi Europe.

speak for yourself. part of being a "differentiated man" is overcoming the limitations of time and place and actually bringing into existence something better.

You don't overcome them by being lulled to sleep by them.

A marriage in this sense may only work if the Adept is already advanced to a suitable level before beginning a family, and only if one's mate is on pretty much the same path as well.

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]My creator is whatever created the cosmos I'am not a religious person. So your whole line from the dawn of our race was a accident?

Come on you know as well as I do that a woman has a child because a man wants to copulate. "Planning" is the exception not the rule.

Children are a big deal and they are our furture

That is quite corny and reminds me of a rather pathetic pop song.

just because you do not like it does not mean it is not true. So the path of the Ariya is being a celibate monk who never has sex or a family now.

I never suggested that a differentiated man couldnt or shouldnt have sexual intercourse. That is an entirely different issue from having a marital relationship or breeding offspring.

So if you ever have sex or pull on your noodle no enlightiment for you! If I went my whole life without a woman or a family I know what my enlightiment would be, it would be I wasted my time.

Clearly you do not understand the concept or the purpose of the Aryan race as sun initiates.

In the ancient religion of Wotanism even Wotan had children and a family, and was also depicted as a god of strength and fertility. And he is the symbol of the overman. So I guess having a family is just not for the thralls after all.lol

You cannot interpret the myths handed down to us by christian scribes in such a literalistic fashion as one would interpret the jew bible. You will recall that Wotan serviced whatever woman he pleased.He was not bound to one woman.

Furthermore, those who live only for the cause often become power-hungry, determined to keep whatever position and power they have, not caring if they are not the most competent man for that position.

Better someone who craves power through pushing the cause than a comfy homebody whose every argument is designed to inspire nothing but ease.

Children are the furture of the race just because you find it corny does not make it so. And as for "understanding" the solar concept I understand that if a race stops having offspring it will cease to exsist. Whatever created us made us to create children for a reason. As for the myths of Wotan he had a children and a wife he may have banged some other chicks on the side but he still created his own off spring, who helped to defend the folk.

Being a parent is a important job you are responible for bringing up the furture generation to be Aryan. It is one of the most important jobs on earth. I do not care what Evola says on it, just because he says so does not make it so.

there you go. what more can be said. other than to repeat, good thing our parents bothered to have us, no?

Is "hell" uncivil?

You're worrying about end-time cycles and I'm telling you to forget it. Find a white girlie that you fancy and start a family. It's a win, win situation. It's also what we're built for. It's the natural order o' things.


K

Keystone may I respectfully suggest that you refrain from commenting on this thread. It is purely for people with a certain modicum of education. Thank you.