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Ιουστινιανός
April 17th, 2008, 11:55 PM
I totaled my car today. Flipped it...and walked away from it. Second time this has happened.

I had other issues...and I found myself being detained by the police. I was so fucking terrified I said "WTF?" and put my hands together and prayed...and came out of it, ok. For the most part.

I didn't think much about it until now. I prayed...and everything turned out ok.

I know what I would say if I was reading this, it was just a coincidence could have happened to anybody blah blah blah...

But I really feel like I owe this, possibly fictitious, higher power a great deal. Perhaps there really is a God and he spared me a great deal of pain and suffering, possibly death, to show me the light?

Is it a Christian god? There could be no other, because I've known no other. I've shunned them all, but Christianity is literally the epitome of religion for me because like I said, it's all I've known.

I know a lot of people I respect here are going to make fun of me for this...but I'm at a total and complete loss. I should either be dead, or in jail waiting on a hearing that would send me to prison. Not just any prison, Tent City.

Just thought I'd share.

yankee jane
April 18th, 2008, 07:42 AM
I totaled my car today. Flipped it...and walked away from it. Second time this has happened.

I had other issues...and I found myself being detained by the police. I was so fucking terrified I said "WTF?" and put my hands together and prayed...and came out of it, ok. For the most part.

I didn't think much about it until now. I prayed...and everything turned out ok.

I know what I would say if I was reading this, it was just a coincidence could have happened to anybody blah blah blah...

But I really feel like I owe this, possibly fictitious, higher power a great deal. Perhaps there really is a God and he spared me a great deal of pain and suffering, possibly death, to show me the light?

Is it a Christian god? There could be no other, because I've known no other. I've shunned them all, but Christianity is literally the epitome of religion for me because like I said, it's all I've known.

I know a lot of people I respect here are going to make fun of me for this...but I'm at a total and complete loss. I should either be dead, or in jail waiting on a hearing that would send me to prison. Not just any prison, Tent City.

Just thought I'd share.

There is a misconception that a person "chooses" to come to God, to "accept" Jesus Christ. Not actually so. God does the choosing, and the calling. Often people are not called until later in life. Sounds like its your time. As far as what other people may think or say, who cares? They aren't going to do anything for your eternal situation. Most of them won't do much for your earthly situation either and it sounds like you were just delivered out of a VERY bad one. Praise God and glad to hear it.

melcur
April 18th, 2008, 08:29 AM
I feel this divine presence as well. Over my entire life, I have found that for whatever reason those that wish me ill in some way, either die themselves, or one of their close loved ones dies. Car accidents mostly, but there have been suicides, murders, strange accidents, one guy, an experienced pilot landed his plane upside down. It's very strange, but I can think of a dozen examples off the top of my head and know that there are several more as well. Seems that providence has something in store for me. I think Jett Rink will be next, or one of his loved ones. It isn't something I pray for, it just happens.

yankee jane
April 18th, 2008, 09:49 AM
I feel this divine presence as well. Over my entire life, I have found that for whatever reason those that wish me ill in some way, either die themselves, or one of their close loved ones dies. Car accidents mostly, but there have been suicides, murders, strange accidents, one guy, an experienced pilot landed his plane upside down. It's very strange, but I can think of a dozen examples off the top of my head and know that there are several more as well. Seems that providence has something in store for me. I think Jett Rink will be next, or one of his loved ones. It isn't something I pray for, it just happens.

Oh my! I can just hear the whining and the hissy fit to come! Unfortunately, I'll have to miss it since I now have him on ignore (can't take the headaches he inflicts anymore, like Tuisto) :rolleyes::rofl

Sylvia Miles
April 18th, 2008, 02:02 PM
the first few days of summer people drive like maniacs, they're in a sexual frenzy or something, just like the squirrels.

I tried goin though a busy area on my bike and turned too fast and the bike crashed, lady swerved around me didn't even slow down, another lady didnt' even pull over, even though there was nobody in the other lane.

I love watching those 'Worlds' Most Amazing Videos' on spike TV, they always show people smashing into semis at 100mph and walking away without a scratch.

Thank seat belt technology and all those engineers who crash test cars and design them not to crush your bones and all that.

Consumer reports puts out the crash test ratings on all the cars, something to consider when buying a car for sure.

Americans are third worlders, they'll trample your face to get to the store and buy stuff.

I know a lot of people I respect here are going to make fun of me for this...but I'm at a total and complete loss. I should either be dead, or in jail waiting on a hearing that would send me to prison. Not just any prison, Tent City.

did your dream come true? did you kill someone with your car? why would there be a hearing about whether you will go to prison? I noticed you were only concerned with yourself, did you hurt someone else?

did your years of driving like an angry jerk finally pay off and you actually killed someone and it looks kinda like it was an accident possibly? because they werent' taking into account what an asshole of a driver you are?

If you've flipped your car twice, odds are you are probably not a very careful driver. It's always the people who cause the accidents or who are running away from the police who seem to walk away unscathed for some mysterious reason. Surely it's because God loves asshole drivers.

NOT.

It's because if you were to die in one of these crashes you sort of caused, you'd certainly go straight to hell, since you were right in the middle of a horrendous criminal act in the eyes of God, maybe not in the eyes of a court of law, though.

at the gates of hell, i'm sure there's a line of people stretching past the point the eye can see, who've killed or maimed someone with their careless driving.
by letting these assholes live, God's twisted mercy is allowing them time to rectify their behavior patterns, so they might not go straight to hell when they die.

Ιουστινιανός
April 18th, 2008, 03:38 PM
I feel this divine presence as well. Over my entire life, I have found that for whatever reason those that wish me ill in some way, either die themselves, or one of their close loved ones dies. Car accidents mostly, but there have been suicides, murders, strange accidents, one guy, an experienced pilot landed his plane upside down.

Don't take this seriously, but it sounds like you're in the mafia and you're very creative at "disappearing" people, lol.

I can't figure it out. I should be dead, parallelized, or worse. A vegetable, something terrible.

My car was smashed like a stomped coke can. And I walked away. Quite literally, too. I refused the ambulance and everything. I was bloody and bruised, and today I feel like I got hit by a bus...but yeah, a miracle.

I didn't kill or seriously injure anyone, either. Which is just as amazing.

Had I done so, I probably wouldn't be here because...the issue I spoke of, a very touchy one in Arizona. I had an "executive lunch" at a place called "The Rock Bottom". They make their own beer and I decided I'd have one with the filet I ordered. Very good beer! Very good food!

One fucking beer...and they were ready to send me to hell. Luckily, I know people and I'm a great negotiator. Some spic cop was going on and on...5 to 10 years! Getting rammed!...lol. Got to the station and it's all pats on the back and "WOW kid"...took my blood, gave me a breathalyser. No sweat. I was so far under the limit that the cops were making fun of the spic rookie that wanted me locked away.

I feel invincible today, but this should be a humbling experience.

Forever the skeptic, but thanks Jane, I will definitely check out that link. It just seems like humans demand answers to every question, and if there is no real answer...they just make it up.

That's what I've always felt religion was.

It's like those UFO signs "I want to believe". I feel that way about religion. However, it's still very unlikely to me that God is, at the very least, as humans describe him. Or her. Or it. Or whatever...

I know many intelligent Christians, so something convinced them. I really will look into it further. I'm intrigued. Plus, I no longer have a car. I'll have more time on my hands, now. :p

MacManus
April 18th, 2008, 03:52 PM
I feel invincible today, but this should be a humbling experience.

I had the very same experience 14 years ago. The vehicle was completely destroyed in a flip-over accident and I didn't even have a scratch. I hit a patch of black ice and skidded off the road and flipped over. The kwap tried to accuse me of reckless driving until he fell flat on his big, fat ass when he stepped out of his cruiser.


We are masters of the universe, welcome to the club.

MacManus
April 18th, 2008, 03:55 PM
I feel this divine presence as well. Over my entire life, I have found that for whatever reason those that wish me ill in some way, either die themselves, or one of their close loved ones dies.
Ok, I am officially freaked out.

Everyone who has ever wronged me is either dead (mostly from suicide) or living in such a state of despair that they may as well be dead.

Masters of the universe we are! (can I be he-man?).

Ιουστινιανός
April 18th, 2008, 06:14 PM
did your dream come true? did you kill someone with your car?

You worthless fucking trolling cunt, where the fuck did I say it was "my dream to kill someone with my car"?



why would there be a hearing about whether you will go to prison? I noticed you were only concerned with yourself, did you hurt someone else?

Yeah, and I'm sure you're the virgin Mary. Never a selfish thought. :rolleyes:

I would have felt very bad about it...unless it was one of the shitskins you worship.

See, in this city there's a 50/50 chance with vehicular manslaughter. You might kill someone worth a shit, and that would be tragic and worthy of remorse...or you may kill some illegal, some nigger gangbanger or some welfare queen.

In those events...there's a standing fucking applause.

But no, you silly whore, the first thing I did was ask about the other driver. All was well. Anyway, since you live off of assumption after assumption like most worthless, shitskin worshiping trolls, you presumed to know how I drive. I was trying to change lanes and a car was behind me in my blind spot. So I started to get over, the person honked, I panicked and turned the wheel too much to get into the other lane. A terrible driver? Perhaps. A terrible person? Not really.

You know shit because you are shit. Now fuck off and die.

See, if it were you in the other car, and you died...that would be worthy of applause. ;) http://www.vnnforum.com/images/icons/icon14.gif


If you've flipped your car twice...

No, the other time was really bad but I didn't flip it. And it wasn't my fault. Plus the girl I hit didn't have insurance and her mother was a rich jew from the foothills.

Can you say Cha-Ching! :D

But that's ok, unfortunate one. Maybe, one day, you'll actually fool one of the message boards you troll and become a regular poster, loved and respected by all the rest of the 14 year old albinos who masturbate to furry porn.

Ιουστινιανός
April 18th, 2008, 06:21 PM
I had the very same experience 14 years ago. The vehicle was completely destroyed in a flip-over accident and I didn't even have a scratch. I hit a patch of black ice and skidded off the road and flipped over. The kwap tried to accuse me of reckless driving until he fell flat on his big, fat ass when he stepped out of his cruiser.


We are masters of the universe, welcome to the club.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2231/hemanandbattlecatbyjpranz9.jpg

ROAR!

Karl Lueger
April 18th, 2008, 06:56 PM
One of the people I work with told me this true-story about a Greek restaurant owner who was brutally attacked by a waiter form another restaurant as he was closing for the evening.. the guy was an albanian immigrant recreantly arrived in the country, working for one-of his many inter-married "cousins".

As the Greek is closing shop..BAM!! albo hits him with pair of brass-knuckles, breaks that side of the jaw and the Greek goes down.
Then the mugger starts to STOPM the guy, trying to kill him, leads to several broken ribs and a concussion; goes through the Greeks clothes,
taking the wallet, but was expecting more $ from the business; soon
people notice and rush to the-scene while the mugger gets away.:mad:

As the Greek was in hospital, for 6 weeks mind you, he recalls seeing the guy who attacked him in the hospital room, apparently he wanted to see if
old man survived or maybe to finish the job.:eek:
The Greeks mouth is wired shut and hes all bandages and bed ridden, but the attacker did come to the room, told nurses he's a "friend" from work.

But the American police being the inept anti-White twats they are obviously never came close to making an arrest..but God was watching..

The mugger was having roast at his house..beer and food all that, but he also has one of those machines that roast lamb and its spins over the flames.
At some point the mugger leans over to put some more sauce or oil or whatever on the roast and his TIE gets caught in the mechanism.
When the friends arrive, they se the guy sitting next to the overcooked lamb, thinking he's asleep or drunk, until-they get closer and see
he was STRANGLED to death by his tie getting caught in the gears.
I didn't believe it at first, but the guy insist people say it really happened, even the guy who was attacked found out about this 'divine intervention'.
Jesus or Leonidas threw down some punishment that day friends.:D

sean(doc)martin
April 18th, 2008, 11:44 PM
I have done the same thing, completely totaled a vehicle by flipping it over and walked away. I have seen people in a collision that only dented 3 feet of the vehicle and end up crippled.

Perhaps you should think about that. Could be you should be doing something more than you are doing now.

B.Kerry
April 19th, 2008, 02:35 AM
I had the very same experience 14 years ago. The vehicle was completely destroyed in a flip-over accident and I didn't even have a scratch. I hit a patch of black ice and skidded off the road and flipped over. The kwap tried to accuse me of reckless driving until he fell flat on his big, fat ass when he stepped out of his cruiser.


We are masters of the universe, welcome to the club.

I enjoyed that.

:hflol

B.Kerry
April 19th, 2008, 02:42 AM
I totaled my car today. Flipped it...and walked away from it. Second time this has happened.


Is it a Christian god? There could be no other, because I've known no other. I've shunned them all, but Christianity is literally the epitome of religion for me because like I said, it's all I've known.



IMO It's not so much god...

more a case of just like the stupidest farmers grow the best potatoes...

the stupidest drivers seem to survive when they deserve to be in hospital.

psychologicalshock
April 19th, 2008, 03:29 AM
Similar thing happened to me, I prayed to no God. Did he save me to spite me?

Ιουστινιανός
April 19th, 2008, 06:41 PM
the stupidest drivers seem to survive when they deserve to be in hospital.

The trolls are in full force here right now. I normally could care less, but you know what? The fucking cowards who just talk shit to talk shit, on the internet, have got to be the most ball-less motherfuckers ever born. And I just don't have the tme for it.

SDM made a good point. Maybe I should be doing more than I'm doing now. I'm going to take that advice, and at the same time take a break from this troll invasion on VNN. Because, quite frankly, I have nothing left to say to them. If this were a real forum, where people would gather to discuss whatever issues, these fucking pieces of shit would have been buried alive in the garden a long time ago.

One day, trolls, you may not have your computers to hide behind. Of course, then I suppose you'll be sugar and spice and everything nice, just like any other little girl...even if you do have a penis. No balls, but a penis none the less.

Most of us remain anonymous because or whatever current situation we're dealing with, but a troll's anonymity is just because of their pure cowardice. And they prove it with every unnecessary little insult they make at us.

To my friendly acquaintances on the forum, which is pretty much every regular poster, I'll be back. I have a lot on my plate right now and I can't waste any time trying to one up every smart ass pussy-troll with an internet connection and too much time on their hands. And I know, "just ignore". No, I never came her to ignore anyone. I won't start now. Plus, I can't let it go, lol. I have to answer back. To tell you the truth, I'm part of the attraction to these idiots because I feed them the attention that they so desperately crave from the rest of society. Attention they cannot gain because they're completely useless and boring, or mediocre at best.

While I won't be posting, I will be by regularly to check my pms and such. Any trusted forum members who want my email address for any inquiries, concerns, updates, requests for contributions...monetarily or otherwise, do not hesitate. Anything I can do I will do. That also goes for posters I've disagreed with in the past. I have a pretty good idea of who's sincere and who's not, and just because we disagree doesn't mean I think you're a detriment to our cause in any way. Your passion is either as great as mine, or greater. And I appreciate it, for whatever it's worth.

Yours,
Ιουστιν

yankee jane
April 19th, 2008, 07:05 PM
The trolls are in full force here right now. I normally could care less, but you know what? The fucking cowards who just talk shit to talk shit, on the internet, have got to be the most ball-less motherfuckers ever born. And I just don't have the tme for it.

My own ignore list has started growing lately. It is a very useful and helpful little tool. I strongly recommend using it "liberally"!

SDM made a good point. Maybe I should be doing more than I'm doing now. I'm going to take that advice, and at the same time take a break from this troll invasion on VNN. Because, quite frankly, I have nothing left to say to them. If this were a real forum, where people would gather to discuss whatever issues, these fucking pieces of shit would have been buried alive in the garden a long time ago.

Good move. :D


To my friendly acquaintances on the forum, which is pretty much every regular poster, I'll be back. I have a lot on my plate right now and I can't waste any time trying to one up every smart ass pussy-troll with an internet connection and too much time on their hands. And I know, "just ignore". No, I never came her to ignore anyone. I won't start now. Plus, I can't let it go, lol. I have to answer back. To tell you the truth, I'm part of the attraction to these idiots because I feed them the attention that they so desperately crave from the rest of society. Attention they cannot gain because they're completely useless and boring, or mediocre at best.

While I won't be posting, I will be by regularly to check my pms and such. Any trusted forum members who want my email address for any inquiries, concerns, updates, requests for contributions...monetarily or otherwise, do not hesitate. Anything I can do I will do. That also goes for posters I've disagreed with in the past. I have a pretty good idea of who's sincere and who's not, and just because we disagree doesn't mean I think you're a detriment to our cause in any way. Your passion is either as great as mine, or greater. And I appreciate it, for whatever it's worth.

Yours,
Ιουστιν

Don't stay gone too long...

sean(doc)martin
April 20th, 2008, 03:49 AM
Many on VNNF think that we are just here with no direction whatsoever. If a person notices history everything works in patterns. White people have been slaughtered by non-whites in the past, religion goes through it’s patterns of invasion and then all of the sudden things will turn around and the same thing will happen in a couple hundred years.

I don’t believe that every single thing happens for a reason for example if you stub your toe it isn’t a message from God, however some huge things very out of the ordinary should be given some consideration. The problem is there is no balance, people either want every single thing to be controlled or nothing at all.

Paper cut = just a minor annoyance

Flipped car and walk away = thought for more serious consideration.


RE psychologicalshock
So you are telling us that in the middle of a life and death crisis that you found time to be sarcastic. Instead of resolving the situation you chose to use the time for a comic routine. You are either lying or stupid beyond belief.

psychologicalshock
April 20th, 2008, 04:29 AM
RE psychologicalshock
So you are telling us that in the middle of a life and death crisis that you found time to be sarcastic.
Actually, in the situation I just described I had no time to do anything because I only became aware of it happening when it happened. (The range of sight was very small). Did I think of anything? No and if I had it wouldn't be sarcastic or amusing.

You're failing to see that I am not actually being sarcastic because you think its blasphemy. I simply am pointing out what has been pointed out by many others: Atheists experience the same things. If it was up to God why wouldn't he just let an Atheist die?

Instead of resolving the situation you chose to use the time for a comic routine. You are either lying or stupid beyond belief.
You misread me considering that even if I am being sarcastic it is only in the present. You'd have to be a lunatic to laugh at such a situation.

tuisto
April 20th, 2008, 07:19 AM
I feel this divine presence as well. Over my entire life, I have found that for whatever reason those that wish me ill in some way, either die themselves, or one of their close loved ones dies. Car accidents mostly, but there have been suicides, murders, strange accidents, one guy, an experienced pilot landed his plane upside down. It's very strange, but I can think of a dozen examples off the top of my head and know that there are several more as well. Seems that providence has something in store for me. I think Jett Rink will be next, or one of his loved ones. It isn't something I pray for, it just happens.

In a way I did'nt want to say anything but what the heck it's Hitler's birthday today :cool:
He should have been dead many times, but he became the venerated Fuehrer.
Hitler called it: "Vorsehung" (sort of divine presence)

1. In the late eightiees I drove 55 miles/hour on a slippery freeway in Oahu as a huge Samoan Untermensch in a huge car near a curve came so close to my Toyota that my manoevering out of his way led my car to drive up the concrete separation wall about 5 metres into heaven, flipping over and scraping on my roof another 40 meters before coming to a complete stop.

While in the air I screamed "MMMEEEEEEERRRRRDDDDE" :D

It took me half an hour to get out of the small Toyota-wreck and once out I called a taxi who brought me to the mall, where I was assistant manager
and had to open the store that morning. No blood, no injury, only a young american couple who saw the accident driving behind me and telling me
that they saw at least ten angels, because I really should have been dead.

2. I worked in Sun Valley (Concord) mall in the middle of the eightees and got fired by a Canadian male co-worker who told me to fire me the day he becomes manager.
A few months before I got fired another co-worker, a redhaired bitch named Gloria one day for no reason suddenly screamed in a crazy voice looking very angry towards me: "Youuuuuuuuu HITTTTLER".
which made me smile because I am a very friendly person by nature.
That was in summer.
I left California and settled in Hawaii.
Less thas six months later, at Christmas, a small private plane plunged into the mall right into the store where I used to work.
Many dozens of dead or badly injured as a result.

Since then I trust the "Vorsehung".

3. Last month, first of march 2008, I totaled my big dream-car by collision with another car. The air bag of my Toyota Crown worked properly and i became aware, that -without my monthly gasoline bill of 600 Dollars - I am better off.
A bloody nose was all I had as injury. :D





JustinianosIs it a Christian god? There could be no other, because I've known no other. I've shunned them all, but Christianity is literally the epitome of religion for me because like I said, it's all I've known.
I know a lot of people I respect here are going to make fun of me for this...but I'm at a total and complete loss. I should either be dead, or in jail waiting on a hearing that would send me to prison. Not just any prison, Tent City.

Born Christian, spent some time as a Mormon priest, until I experienced
at a conference a develish leading Mormon...
Justinianos you are a great person at heart and I would wish you rather alive than dead.

Like in every profession there are good and bad people in every religion,
but I never met god。:):)

yankee jane
April 20th, 2008, 07:52 AM
Actually, in the situation I just described I had no time to do anything because I only became aware of it happening when it happened. (The range of sight was very small). Did I think of anything? No and if I had it wouldn't be sarcastic or amusing.

You're failing to see that I am not actually being sarcastic because you think its blasphemy. I simply am pointing out what has been pointed out by many others: Atheists experience the same things. If it was up to God why wouldn't he just let an Atheist die?

You misread me considering that even if I am being sarcastic it is only in the present. You'd have to be a lunatic to laugh at such a situation.

Whether you prayed or you did not in that situation it is entirely possible that you received a wake up call but chose to ignore it. Perhaps you will have another in the future, perhaps you will not. One glaring problem with "atheists" and, indeed, with most "judeo-christians", when they think of God they think very small. They simply cannot get away from reducing God to their own level and explaining or understanding Him in the limited terms they can grasp. They tend to think of Him as though he were a man. Not at all so. We are very blessed that He chose to be gracious enough to explain anything at all to us as He has in His word and that He has been merciful enough to save any of us. He has not explained ALL to us and is under no obligation to do so. More understanding will come later but it is good to bear in mind that He is God and you are not and He is a whole lot more than you are or than you can ever begin to understand. If you are one of those who chooses to defy Him or deny Him or defiantly shake your fist in His face then you will just have to learn more of His nature later on.

B.Kerry
April 20th, 2008, 10:10 AM
The trolls are in full force here right now. I normally could care less, but you know what? The fucking cowards who just talk shit to talk shit, on the internet, have got to be the most ball-less motherfuckers ever born. And I just don't have the tme for it.

SDM made a good point. Maybe I should be doing more than I'm doing now. I'm going to take that advice, and at the same time take a break from this troll invasion on VNN. Because, quite frankly, I have nothing left to say to them. If this were a real forum, where people would gather to discuss whatever issues, these fucking pieces of shit would have been buried alive in the garden a long time ago.

One day, trolls, you may not have your computers to hide behind. Of course, then I suppose you'll be sugar and spice and everything nice, just like any other little girl...even if you do have a penis. No balls, but a penis none the less.

Most of us remain anonymous because or whatever current situation we're dealing with, but a troll's anonymity is just because of their pure cowardice. And they prove it with every unnecessary little insult they make at us.

To my friendly acquaintances on the forum, which is pretty much every regular poster, I'll be back. I have a lot on my plate right now and I can't waste any time trying to one up every smart ass pussy-troll with an internet connection and too much time on their hands. And I know, "just ignore". No, I never came her to ignore anyone. I won't start now. Plus, I can't let it go, lol. I have to answer back. To tell you the truth, I'm part of the attraction to these idiots because I feed them the attention that they so desperately crave from the rest of society. Attention they cannot gain because they're completely useless and boring, or mediocre at best.

While I won't be posting, I will be by regularly to check my pms and such. Any trusted forum members who want my email address for any inquiries, concerns, updates, requests for contributions...monetarily or otherwise, do not hesitate. Anything I can do I will do. That also goes for posters I've disagreed with in the past. I have a pretty good idea of who's sincere and who's not, and just because we disagree doesn't mean I think you're a detriment to our cause in any way. Your passion is either as great as mine, or greater. And I appreciate it, for whatever it's worth.

Yours,
Ιουστιν
You poor fucker, can't handle a bit of truth. Go on back to your mom and she will calm you down. What a wanker.

And why you're at it learn to drive so as not to put normal people at risk.

sean(doc)martin
April 20th, 2008, 04:09 PM
more a case of just like the stupidest farmers grow the best potatoes...



I don’t know what kind of farms you have been visiting but stupid farmers grow nothing. Unless you are referring to farmers with no kwallege edjewcation that has 10 generations of farming skill handed down. I have seen kwallege edjewcated farmers compared to hillbillies with a 5th grade education and I can assure you the hillbillies are better farmers because they know more about farming. You can’t learn trades that provide a physical service from a book it takes experience and knack.