Here are some pics of some Greek women, showcasing some diverse phenotypes.

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/greek1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/greek2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/greek3.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/greek4.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/greek5.jpg

I lived in Greece for a bit. Poorest country in Europe, but very lively place. Lots of pretty women, but I'd still rate Italian women as higher, though.




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I lived in Greece for a bit. Poorest country in Europe, but very lively place. Lots of pretty women, but I'd still rate Italian women as higher, though.

My mother is Italian and was in Italy last year. She says it is a beautiful country. I heard they are importing niggers, just like other European countries.

My mother is Italian and was in Italy last year. She says it is a beautiful country. I heard they are importing niggers, just like other European countries.

I haven't heard too much about it when I lived there. If that's true it's a damn shame. I know when I was in France and Germany I heard lots of about the arabs/turks. Italian cuisine is divine, as are many of the women there.


My mother speaks Italian as well. (Also English, French, and Vietnamese...I'm limited to English and decent French :( ).



edit: Keystone, I have lots of pics of the locals but unfortunately, I did not take the pictures with a digital camera, so I have no way to display them.




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Show me some locals, not models. Do you have any pics of them?

I don't have any pics of Greek locals, but I have some of Washington DC locals:

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/black32.jpg

ROFLOL!
Ahh Jim, that is some funny shit .

I lived in Greece for a bit. Poorest country in Europe, but very lively place. Lots of pretty women, but I'd still rate Italian women as higher, though.


Albania is the poorest country in Europe.

Depends on your source. You may be right. I heard it many times when I was in Greece, though....it was about 3 years ago.



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Depends on your source. You may be right. I heard it many times when I was in Greece, though....it was about 3 years ago.



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Greece was the poorest country in the EUROPEAN UNION, not the poorest one in Europe. It´s a big difference.

Italians and Greeks are pretty close racially and I find that the women are just as good looking as ethnic Italians. Sicily had many Greek colonies, so therefore they are almost identical. Turks and Albanians are ruining Europe with their mass immigration. Southern Germany has more Turks in some areas than ethnic Germans(that is primarily Muenchen). I really do not accept modern immigration what so ever because today's immigrants are not willing to become honorers of the particular nation. They only immigrate because of their personal needs. Lastly, I will mention that is how America is by far, because Mexicans are not willing to become American. They only come to help themselves out economically.

Some real Greeks from a real festival, not carefully selected models:

http://www.ohfs.org/picturegallery.html

AE brought up that both Plato and modern day Greeks say that Macedonians to the north are more of a true Greek type, and that Greeks themselves have been darkening up. Draw your own conclusions from the time differential, but judging from these pics, it seems to be true. Sorry, you can see them expanded on the link above. The Macedonian girls on the left are clearly White, the other Greek girls could pass for Turks (I've been told Turk rapine is responsible for dark complected Greeks).

Wel I reckin dat White peples are bland, bland is good,if yer not bland yer anigrah.Dos griks are wearin funni clthes, thewy evern have dern shirtes one, with lousd type colers, They lik sex to,onyl Nigrahas lik sex. Sex is a komunst plit.Dey have strnge food that tastes hot,so I rickin dey aint bland, so day re Muds.

LOL

AE brought up that both Plato and modern day Greeks say that Macedonians to the north are more of a true Greek type, and that Greeks themselves have been darkening up. Draw your own conclusions from the time differential, but judging from these pics, it seems to be true. Sorry, you can see them expanded on the link above. The Macedonian girls on the left are clearly White, the other Greek girls could pass for Turks (I've been told Turk rapine is responsible for dark complected Greeks).

EVERY SINGLE individual in those photos is White as driven snow, and if I am wrong, I defy you to show me any Non-White traits on them.

diablo

You must think you're dealing with Norcal, or one of those other guys who has nothing better to do than get into med/nord circle jerks. Firstly I'm just reiterating what Greeks themselves have said about other Greeks. The groups in question can discuss racial questions and--gasp--even use epithets about themselves, right? That's the PC doctrine last time I checked. I'm just repeating what I've heard.

The phenotypal thing is a slippery slope, to be sure, but the girls on the right just look more like Turks to me than Greeks. Not going to split hairs about it with you. You know most here would agree, save the reflexive contrariness for defending mudsharks. BTW, someone once said that was your way of endearing yourself to White girls...ever worked?

Oh, one more thing. Regarding the parody in your first reply: I only speak like that after watching NASCAR and pounding a case of lone stars all day Sunday.

There is implicit in your assertion the notion that all White girls are mudsharks. After all, displaying racial pride is probably a not very effective way to endear yourself to mudsharks. So the answer is that it has never worked, simply because its never been tried.

diablo

You must think you're dealing with Norcal, or one of those other guys who has nothing better to do than get into med/nord circle jerks. Firstly I'm just reiterating what Greeks themselves have said about other Greeks. The groups in question can discuss racial questions and--gasp--even use epithets about themselves, right? That's the PC doctrine last time I checked. I'm just repeating what I've heard.

The phenotypal thing is a slippery slope, to be sure, but the girls on the right just look more like Turks to me than Greeks. Not going to split hairs about it with you. You know most here would agree, save the reflexive contrariness for defending mudsharks. BTW, someone once said that was your way of endearing yourself to White girls...ever worked?

Oh, one more thing. Regarding the parody in your first reply: I only speak like that after watching NASCAR and pounding a case of lone stars all day Sunday.
Just what is "Turkish" blood? Original Ural Altaic Whites. The admixture they developed after contact with the Mongols? The admixture that was once again lost along the way to Anatolia? Armenians, Galatians, Phygrians, Circassians, Islamisized Greeks, Islamicscized Turks, Kurds? It would be far more accurate to inquire about Greek mixture in the Turks rather than the other way around.
Of course if you mean those Greek girls appear Mongol or Dravidian, the NW strains in Turkey, I do not see it. I think they woul look terribly out of place in Ulan-Bator or Bangalore, and if you were to tell a real Mongol or Dravid, here are your country women, he would think you were a nutcase.
If you were a Mongol or South Indain nationalist would you accept them?

diablo

Has any one got any fotos of the NORMAL dark, big nosed greek women that fill modern Greece? :eek:

Here are some "normal" greek girls.

Look how Aryan they are!

http://www.ohfs.org/images/PictureGallery/2004/2004Youth1.jpg

Here are some more good Aryan type greek girls!

Look around the net, it full of photo's of the Normal olive skinned, dark eyed, big nosed Greek girls!

A few foto's of pretty (light) greek models proves what?

http://www.weinberg-clark.com/Media/Personal/Greek%20girls.jpg

Well yes I am a quarter Greek and I do have dark hair and eyes. My coloration is approximate to the first hot model that Jim Crowe posted, the brunette. And I am a damn handsome fellow myself.

To me, based on both anecdotes and the descriptions in classic literature, versus the appearance of the average Greek today, there it seems very likely that Greeks have undergone some genetic drift towards the middle east. In my own family there was a discussion about "limpieza de sangre," if you will. Namely that we had "purity" but some Greeks didnt. I had blonde Greek girl chasing after me before I was married who was very attractive and she had plenty of purity in my book too. LOL So the lighter colorations happen though it is rare. Still, I dont regard that as tremendously significant as some other people do.

Of course there is the question of what to do with that. For some people that is a big hangup. Comes with the obsessive focus on biology that is a natural over-reaction to our false educations which negate the importance of biology as a factor in human events whatsoever. But that does not mean it is the only factor.

Call them non-White? Not me. There is plenty of genetic diversity within "WHite" to include Greeks and Italians, without ignoring the fact that they are genetically closer both in phenotype and genotype, to various Caucasoid peoples we would probably consider non-White such as Arabs or Berbers.

I dont rule out cultural factors and to me, Arabs and Berbers are racial aliens. I dont worry about biology here, the average "look" is plenty different even from Greeks, and the culture tells me all the more I need to know. Now if you compare these two groups to a more culturally closer group like say Armenians, that becomes a tougher problem. But as Fred Haerne has said, dont let the foothills confuse you into thinking there is no such thing as mountains. Or words to that effect.

Greeks are very nice civilized European people with a strong sense of ethnic identity. To me they are White. If you find yourself with Stormsoldaat in considering them otherwise, be my guest to stay away from Greece and Greeks.

The Greeks were never phenotypically nordic.


It seems the Japanese also don't know this, as all the "greek" characters in their games are blonde haired and blue eyed. (SC2, below)


http://www.filenote.com/redir/52151.jpg



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Greeks are very nice civilized European people with a strong sense of ethnic identity. To me they are White. If you find yourself with Stormsoldaat in considering them otherwise, be my guest to stay away from Greece and Greeks.

The greeks as a people (generally) do not look Aryan in the way most people perceive the word Aryan to mean, the same as most people would not class Turks to be Aryan. I have heard some Turks on SF calling themselves White/Aryan.

The real question is, should we ignore what we can see with our own eyes?

Here is another photo of Typical greek children.

http://www.globalvolunteers.org/1graphics/greece/grepeople4.jpg

Antiochus Epiphane's post sounds fair and honest. I liked everything I read, a different point of view in someways from my own but still valid and interesting to read. :D

The Greeks were never phenotypically nordic.

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thanks for clarifying that for us. LOL

the Illiad describes many heroes as phenotypically nordic. Are you saying Homer is a liar?

The Doric invasions were considered by the old time archaeologists to be nordic type invasions. The indigenous were darker and called "Pelasgians" and the modern Greeks a kind of hybrid between the nordics and the older European types. See Charles Morris "Aryan Race"

What did those ancient Greeks actually look like then, time traveler? Did you bring back photos to back this claim, or did you measure all of their skulls?
Maybe the Japanese should have listened to you rather than reading Herodotus or similar contemporary sources who speak of the fairness and "clear eyes" of the early greeks.
All across the flexing borders between the blonde northerners and the darker peoples from the south are traditions of a ruling elite of tall golden-haired folk. In Spain the aboriginal Iberians were ruled first by a Celtic minority (from whom Galicia takes its name) and then a Visigothic one. In Greece the Dorian invasion was a reconquest by Celtic/Gothic invaders from the north. In the heart of Anatolia was an enclave of fighting Gauls (biblical Galatians). The viking Russ conquered and ruled the Slavic majority of early Russia. The early Roman and other Italics came from the north and their early republic was invaded in turn by huge populations of Gallic tribes from across the Alps and later Goths and then Lombard germans.
The paleohistorians whom I respect concur that Greece was repeatedly invaded from the north by celtic/gothic peoples, the Dorian invasion being the last and best known. You may hairsplit over what is meant by "greek" or that the Nordic phenotype is something more refined and specialized. I expect that from a scholar of your post-sophomoric stature and with your level of dogmatic self-assurance.


The Greeks were never phenotypically nordic.
It seems the Japanese also don't know this, as all the "greek" characters in their games are blonde haired and blue eyed. (SC2, below)
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Sounds fair and honest. I like everything I read, a different view in someways from mine but still valid in my view. :D

Charles Morris stated in his book "Aryan Race," that modern Greeks should be viewed as one of three subraces of the Aryan type, which he called "meanthrocrhonic" meaning darker colored, as opposed to the lighter colored nordic or "xanthrochronic" or something like that, cant recall exactly, which corresponds to Baker's 3 part typology in the more contemporary book "race," which names the group "mediterranid."

Greeks are certainly not Nordics and if one considers Aryan and Nordic equivalent, then perhaps there is an issue.

I prefer the term "White" to "Aryan" because Aryan has a more specific historical and linguistic meaning which is not so relevant to our particular situation. However, I love the word "Aryan" and dont abjure its use entirely.

Finally, one can appreciate the necessity of intermarriage between people of the Nordic type, to preserve the unique and fragile Nordic phenotype, without making a big deal out of inter-subracial White hybridity. For example, my look is Greek, but my other 3/4 ancestral heritage of German and a few other stocks makes me nearly the ideal Europid of mixed national heritage. LOL

I get the arrogance and good looks from the Greek side, the stubborn-ness and work ethic from the German, the height and skill with money from my Anglo-Scotch. LOL

We used to view most Greeks as "Nick". Or "Alex" ( Alexandria). Depending on gender.

Kind of whittles it down. You are verbose, sir.


Keystone

Nick and Alex are wonderful names. You are verbose too Mr 1000+ posts, most of which came after you said you were leaving two or three times.

I guess you're not a jew though, seeing as how you have a Ruger Vaquero. No Jew would ever have that gun. Way too cool for a jew.

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Such hubris...



"It is inaccurate to say that the modern Greeks are different physically from the ancient Greeks; such a statement is based on an ignorance of the Greek ethnic character.... The Greeks, in short, are a blend of racial types, of which two are most important: the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricism here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics. The Nordic element is weak, as it probably has been since the days of Homer. The racial type to which Socrates belonged is today the most important, while the Atlanto-Mediterranean, prominent in Greece since the Bronze Age, is still a major factor. It is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite."


(Carleton S. Coon, The Races of Europe)




Also:


The most extensive study of modern Greeks has been carried by the Greek anthropologist Aris N. Poulianos [10,11]. Poulianos’ study included the collection and study of more than seventy anthropometric measurements from a large sample of thousands of Greeks from different parts of the country. His main conclusions are that both Greeks and their neighboring populations are basically a mixture of Aegeans (a Mediterranean type local to the area) and Epirotics (Dinarics(e))and are descended from the ancient inhabitants of the lands in which they live.


The presence of individuals which approximate the Nordic subrace is minimal, and does not exceed 4-6% even in the most depigmented groups of Greece. More frequent are individuals which approximate the Alpine race of Central Europe. These reach up to 20-30% of some groups.




It was nice kicking your ass MOMUS. Now it's your turn to put up or shutup. Show me the ancient Greeks were phenotypically Nord. Cite your sources.



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Anima is right.

More typical greek girls:

http://www.stparaskevi.org/images/CandyGirls.jpg

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/cuvc/club/alumni/askoufog.jpg

http://www.budo.gr/budo/images/photos/korasidesB2001_01.jpg

So as we can see although "some" greeks are light, most are not a search of the net. visiting Greek sites will prove this.

I am only pointing out this, because it is important that we have a clear view of what the main racial types are in each European country.

I used to work with a Turkish guy he was fair, but although he was born in Turkey and had family there, they were not Turkish decent, they were of Bulgarian decent (funnily enough another dark med people, but he was fair = fair skin and hair and blue eyes). I also worked with an light arab with light skin and blue eyes.

What I am trying to say is, there are always example to prove a point if you look hard enough!

[QUOTE=STORMSOLDAAT]More typical greek girls:

http://www.stparaskevi.org/images/CandyGirls.jpg

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/cuvc/club/alumni/askoufog.jpg

http://www.budo.gr/budo/images/photos/korasidesB2001_01.jpg

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The ugly one in the middle looks like a jew.

The ugly one in the middle looks like a jew.

I thought it was Alfred E. Newman.

StormSoldaat, pigmentation is not a reliable barometer of whiteness.




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The one in gray also looks like a jew - Molly Ringwald with brown hair.

In Spain the aboriginal Iberians were ruled first by a Celtic minority (from whom Galicia takes its name)

Not exactly. First of all, I wouldn't call Celts in Spain exactly a "minority" as in "just a handful of them", but rather a not insignificant component of the ancient population. And second, they were never some sort of "elite rulers" of the Iberians, they simply lived in areas of the Iberian peninsula and ruled over certain territories where they made up the majority, but not the "whole turf". The Iberian peninsula in ancient times, before the Roman conquest, was not a unified territory and was divided into "clans".

Map marking the territory of the Iberian Celts (in red):

http://usuarios.arsystel.com/abaco/EUROPA/CELTAS/ATLANTICOS/celtas%20de%20iberia.htm

OK, clearly neither of us was there and it's true that I generalize.
It is doubtful, though, that the invading celts only moved to locations in Iberia that weren't already occupied by the natives, so there was likely conflict, conquest and displacement as well as integration and absorption. In what measure neither you nor I know. We know that they are now called Celtiberians, so they were blending in historical time. They were more advanced politically and technologically that the natives so it is more likely that they ruled than were ruled by the Iberians. The relative influence of coastal Punics and jews and the stray pet nigger I am not factoring here.
Most contemporary accounts of Celts in Gaul speak of a ruling elite of strapping big blondes. I think it safe to assume the same for neighboring Iberia.
Thanks for the map link, I'll check it out.

Not exactly. First of all, I wouldn't call Celts in Spain exactly a "minority" as in "just a handful of them", but rather a not insignificant component of the ancient population. And second, they were never some sort of "elite rulers" of the Iberians, they simply lived in areas of the Iberian peninsula and ruled over certain territories where they made up the majority, but not the "whole turf". The Iberian peninsula in ancient times, before the Roman conquest, was not a unified territory and was divided into "clans".

Map marking the territory of the Iberian Celts (in red):

http://usuarios.arsystel.com/abaco/EUROPA/CELTAS/ATLANTICOS/celtas%20de%20iberia.htm

Wow, kicked my ass did you? Are your knuckes bleeding? You must have knocked me out because I didn't feel a thing.

Post-sophomoric racial studies do seem to be over my head, but I think I'm catching on. Using your context what would you say AMERICANS are or were? I'm curious. Are they Whites, I mean caucasians, I mean Europeans? Or are they Amerindians/Orientals? Correct me on your strict terminology.
What about Mexicans? Are they Aztec/Mixtecs/etc. or are they Spanish?
My point, professor, is that the invading Dorians and their ancestors from the preceding invasion of blonde haired , light-eyed northerners became GREEKS, all of them. For the period of their rule and that of their fair-skinned descendents Greece was ruled by blonde celtic/nordic types.
I said that you would hairsplit and niggle over definitions and I was right. I never said that Greece was completely overrun by nothing but dolichocephalic nordic blondes named Knut and Ingemar. You try to infer that, as I predicted.
You said that greeks were NEVER nordics. As your source reveals some were.
Jerk.
Such hubris...





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It was nice kicking your ass MOMUS. Now it's your turn to put up or shutup. Show me the ancient Greeks were phenotypically Nord. Cite your sources.



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The one in gray also looks like a jew - Molly Ringwald with brown hair.

Actually, that looks like the spic who served me my Carne Asada plate at lunch today.

Wow, kicked my ass did you?

Indeed.




My point, professor, is that the invading Dorians and their ancestors from the preceding invasion of blonde haired , light-eyed northerners became GREEKS, all of them. For the period of their rule and that of their fair-skinned descendents Greece was ruled by blonde celtic/nordic types.
I said that you would hairsplit and niggle over definitions and I was right. I never said that Greece was completely overrun by nothing but dolichocephalic nordic blondes named Knut and Ingemar. You try to infer that, as I predicted.
You said that greeks were NEVER nordics. As your source reveals some were.
Jerk.

I didn't say all Greeks. I said "greeks". I'm not saying there weren't blonde hair blue eyed Greeks (and you know that), but what I am saying is that the old Greeks (such of those of the time of Homer and later) were overwhelmingly majority of the phenotype I described.

Greeks were never Nordic, in the population sense. Think big, man.


Jerk.



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I fell in love with Catalina Polor during the summer olympics. She's a Romanian, not a Greek. This girl is my idea of perfection. Wow, what a hottie. And a world class athlete to boot! It's off topic but so what. This girl is my dream.

http://gymnet.org/toulon2003/fra-rom-ned-2003-44.jpg

What a beauty! Did anyone see her perform? I'd kill to deflower her. Sorry, not a pedophile, but she's just about legal.

http://www.gymbox.net/images/Ponor1Anaheim500_Kopie.jpg

Perfection. And a class act too. Them eastern Europeans really impressed me in Athens. As did the Americans, male and female.

http://www.gymbox.net/images/Ponor5Anaheim500_Kopie.jpg

Well then, ouchie ouch, yer a badass lil gook, you are. Har har.

I'm not going to play ring around the semantic rosie with you lil feller, sorry. If Ego were here you two could share some skull charts, blood types, and such and bore the hell out of each other.
Some greeks were nordics, thus it is presumptuous and flatly wrong to say "greeks were never nordic."
Indeed, huh, jerk? If you want to think that you "kicked my ass" then pin a lil medal on yer lil chest and strut around the dorm for a bit.
We'll talk again the next time you let your alligator mouth over-ride your canary intellect and post something annoyingly post-sophomoric.

BTW, I never heard your views on the Joe Vials story about Mossad's role in the Russian school slaughter. Did you find it interesting? Are you allowed to discuss it?

Indeed.





I didn't say all Greeks. I said "greeks". I'm not saying there weren't blonde hair blue eyed Greeks (and you know that), but what I am saying is that the old Greeks (such of those of the time of Homer and later) were overwhelmingly majority of the phenotype I described.

Greeks were never Nordic, in the population sense. Think big, man.


Jerk.



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OK, clearly neither of us was there and it's true that I generalize.

You can still formulate some general conclusions from what some of the old chroniclers say about Iberian Celts. There is no mention -that I can remember now- of them being a "ruling elite" of the Iberians, just another clan that inhabits parts of the Iberian peninsula.

It is doubtful, though, that the invading celts only moved to locations in Iberia that weren't already occupied by the natives, so there was likely conflict, conquest and displacement as well as integration and absorption. In what measure neither you nor I know. We know that they are now called Celtiberians, so they were blending in historical time.

The Celts in Iberia are so old that Herodotus already mentions that their territories in the West limit those of the "Cynetes" beyond the "Pillars of Hercules"(Gibraltar.) As far as Herodotus was concerned, the Celts were just another clan whose territories extended well into the Iberian peninsula.

Regarding the term "Celtiberian", be careful how you interpret it. Some historians regard it as a "blending" of Celts and Iberians, but some of the ancient chroniclers(Pliny, for example) simply use the term in a geographic sense, as in "Celts from Iberia."

Most contemporary accounts of Celts in Gaul speak of a ruling elite of strapping big blondes.

I notice that you put a bit too much emphasis on this "blonde" thing about the Celts. They were not a "homogeneous" race of Nordics, if that is what you are trying to imply. I think you know it is not as simple as that. The archaeological record shows that there were indeed several racial types among the "Celts"(dolichocephalics, mesocephalics, brachycephalics) who originated in Central Europe.

A couple of points you should also keep in mind besides the archaeological record:

1- Blondism and rufosity are not exclusive traits of Nordics. Baltids, Alpines, Borrebys, and even some Mediterraneans can show blondism and rufosity. So when you read that a particular person or group of "Celts" was "blond" do not immediately jump to conclusions that they were all "Nordics", unless there is more specific proof for that.

2- Modern genetics is throwing a lot of question marks into this whole "Celtic" thing. The most "puzzling" evidence is that so-called "Celtic" nations(Wales, Ireland, Cornwall, etc.) have more in common -genetically speaking- with the Iberian peninsula than anywhere else.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5955701/

Some greeks were nordics, thus it is presumptuous and flatly wrong to say "greeks were never nordic."

Greeks were not Nordic. Not in the population sense. Exception is not the rule.



BTW, I never heard your views on the Joe Vials story about Mossad's role in the Russian school slaughter. Did you find it interesting? Are you allowed to discuss it?

Link?



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No boobage at all and hard as a piece of wood. After she is through with this she may gain some womanly attributes.
She is pretty and admirable but not sexy at all to me.

You remind me of a skit from an old national lampoon record album. Two sports commentators are breathlessly describing a gymnastic floor event of a cute little Romanian gymnast at the Olympics in Bugerglob, Yug. The female announcer murmurs something like, " her pert little nipples are standing erect as she prepares for her run," then shouts about the event," a running start and then a double flip! A flick-flack! A triple gainer!" etc.
The male announcer blurts out, "Boy, I'd like to fuck her!"
Well, it would be funny if you heard it.

I fell in love with Catalina Polor during the summer olympics. She's a Romanian, not a Greek. This girl is my idea of perfection. Wow, what a hottie. And a world class athlete to boot! It's off topic but so what. This girl is my dream.

http://gymnet.org/toulon2003/fra-rom-ned-2003-44.jpg

With an ass and body as tight as that, I don't need "boobage". Besides, she's practically prepubescent. In 3 or 4 years the girl will be out of gymnastics, past puberty, and ready for my manly seed! I want her!

Come on, you'd be fucking one big muscle. She could contort around you like a snake. Ah, the sex would be incredible.

And she's probably 5'3, wouldn't you just love to manhandle a short woman?

http://gymnet.org/groningen03/67AB3415.jpg

Naughty snapper talk.
Yes, it's great with a small passionate woman, the more you 'compress them with lovin' the more their explosive power grows.
You would have liked Nadia Comanici in her nubile prime.

With an ass and body as tight as that, I don't need "boobage". Besides, she's practically prepubescent. In 3 or 4 years the girl will be out of gymnastics, past puberty, and ready for my manly seed! I want her!

Come on, you'd be fucking one big muscle. She could contort around you like a snake. Ah, the sex would be incredible.

And she's probably 5'3, wouldn't you just love to manhandle a short woman?

http://gymnet.org/groningen03/67AB3415.jpg

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=9750

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/

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Greeks were not Nordic. Not in the population sense. Exception is not the rule.




Link?



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I lived in Greece for a bit. Poorest country in Europe, but very lively place. Lots of pretty women, but I'd still rate Italian women as higher, though.




...Poorest country in Europe? :confused: Wouldn't the Eastern European countries share that designation?

AE brought up that both Plato and modern day Greeks say that Macedonians to the north are more of a true Greek type, and that Greeks themselves have been darkening up. Draw your own conclusions from the time differential, but judging from these pics, it seems to be true. Sorry, you can see them expanded on the link above. The Macedonian girls on the left are clearly White, the other Greek girls could pass for Turks (I've been told Turk rapine is responsible for dark complected Greeks).

I have a family photograph taken in 1932 of all my relatives that came from Macedonia..theyre very tall, and rather thin, and look nothing like Greeks. As a black and white picture...i cant see their skin shade, but they look pale, and my grandfather and his brother were boys in that picture, they had fair skin as old men (when I knew them).

I once dated a girl from Greece in high school...all of her family members looked different...some fair, some swarthy, some tall, some short. Strange genes I guess, those Greeks.

As for other Macedonians, I've never seen one in person outside of my family.

No exaggeration.

What a beauty! Did anyone see her perform? I'd kill to deflower her. Sorry, not a pedophile, but she's just about legal.

http://www.gymbox.net/images/Ponor1Anaheim500_Kopie.jpg

Where is her ass! Oh, my god! Sorry just joking :)

Greeks were not Nordic. Not in the population sense. Exception is not the rule.I have an interesting book here with me; it's from 1966, the pre-book burning days. (title: Universal History of the World- Volume 2- Ancient Greece) Here’s a site that describes it-

http://www.valerieslivingbooks.com/universa.htm

It's not a large book, might even be more oriented to children, but given the info in it I would say it gives more reliable info on Greece than any of the half-assed/shady internet sites I see. The important thing to remember about Greece is that many tribes have contributed to its ethnic makeup over the years. A couple of points:

- For hundreds of years, the original, timid, people of the Peloponnesus were tormented, looked down upon, and in some cases, enslaved or sacrificed to the gods by the more powerful Minoans (a Mediterranean people who lived on Crete)
- Around 1400 BC, however, the Minoan empire was destroyed; sacked by the now-warlike Greeks. It is mysterious how this change suddenly occurred. From the book:... Crete became just another Greek island

Across the plains of the Peloponnesus flashed the swift chariots of knights and warrior-princes. They wore armor of gleaming bronze, and bright, proud plumes bobbed over their helmets. They were the new men of a new country, and they called themselves Achaeans. Their kings called themselves the Sons of Pelops, the mighty chief and hero who had given his name to the Peloponnesus.

Pelops, the Achaeans said, was the son of a god. Probably, however, he was the grandson of a European invader, for many of the Achaeans’ ancestors were barbarians from the north. But they may have seemed like gods to the Shore People when they first hacked their way into the country. Their ragged beards and horned helmets were frightening to look at, and they fought like demons. They took the land they wanted, built fortresses, and settled down to stay.Their behavior sounds very much like that of the Vikings, doesn’t it?

- A “Dark Age” began when the Achaeans were invaded by the Dorians . Concerning the Dorian invasion:The Achaeans had little time to enjoy their victory [vs. the Trojans], however, for suddenly their own cities were in danger. A new mob of invaders had found the paths that led south through the mountains from Europe. They had come from the Danube country, the no man’s land northeast of the mountains, and already they were fighting and plundering their way toward the Peloponnesus. Refugees, fleeing to the south, told horrible stories of the strength and cruelty of the invaders, whom they called the Dorians. They said that the Dorians were as fierce as the Achaeans’ own barbaric ancestors. They said that they fought with swords made of a new metal, iron, which could splinter the strongest bronze weapons.

… The Dorians took almost all of the Peloponnesus. The Achaeans who survived were pushed into a little corner on the northwest coast. This was a time of wandering and killing, a Dark Age which began about 1000 BC and lasted nearly 200 years.- After this period, however, we come to Greek’s Classical Age.

The nordish.com site is down, but there is a very good map there that describes the Dorians as Nordics. More evidence of this is from the passage I cited concerning their weapons and origin. Iron-working was an Indo-European skill that they carried with them, and the Dorians invaded from the northeast of Greece, which is near the Indo-European homeland. There are two Dorian warriors depicted in the book that resemble Vikings; they have blond beards, horned helmets and iron swords. While I realize that an artist's depiction of a historical character cannot be taken as truth (I am not sean martin) there must be a reason why the Dorians are drawn this way; in obvious contrast to the Greeks they invaded.

You seem to suggest that the "Greeks" are a homogenous Mediterranean ethnic group that has existed for thousands of years, while in reality, many, many different peoples have lived there over the years. Dark haired/dark eyed Greeks would be survivors of the original population (some, however, obviously look Turkish); the Nordic-looking Greeks would be descended from the Achaeans/Dorians. This Nordic look doesn’t just exist in a minority of them by mere chance; it is result of the presence of Nordic peoples inhabiting the island throughout history, which you constantly deny.

Whoa...

Just found a pic of some hot Greek model. I know this isn't what the average Greek looks like, but... as the negroes say, "hot damn!"

http://wanadoo.segundosfuera.com/especiales/galeria/img/maxi/laura_mouriki/p_l15.jpg

Here's a couple more; sorry for the lack of "decent" pics; it's actually hard to find one that's not topless. But I'm sure most of us won't mind.


http://wanadoo.segundosfuera.com/especiales/galeria/img/maxi/laura_mouriki/p_l6.jpg

http://wanadoo.segundosfuera.com/especiales/galeria/img/maxi/laura_mouriki/p_l3.jpg

it is result of the presence of Nordic peoples inhabiting the island throughout history, which you constantly deny.


I don't "deny" this.

I dispute that fact that people will make blanket statements calling Greeks "nords".


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Greeks are as white as a nation can be.Dont confused whites with nordics.All nordics are white but not all whites are nordics.

Whoa...

Just found a pic of some hot Greek model. I know this isn't what the average Greek looks like, but... as the negroes say, "hot damn!"

http://wanadoo.segundosfuera.com/especiales/galeria/img/maxi/laura_mouriki/p_l15.jpg


TOPLESS IS DEFINITELY OK! ahem. just checking this thread in my capacity as moderator. ahem.

Originally Posted by King_Tiger
A “Dark Age” began when the Achaeans were invaded by the Dorians . Concerning the Dorian invasion:

The problem here is that most of you simply concider the Acheans, Dorians, Ionians, Myceneans, Minoans.................. to be different people, when all they were are just different tribes of the same "race"

Simple proof of this is Herodotus.
I'm sure nordic.com won't give this kind of info.

In Herodotus Book I, 56

"These races, Ionian and Dorian, were the foremost in ancient time, the first a Pelasgian and the second an Hellenic people. The Pelasgian stock has never yet left its habitation, the Hellenic has wandered often and afar. For in the days of king Deucalion it inhabited the land of Phthia, then in the time of Dorus son of Hellen the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus; driven by the Cadmeans from this Histiaean country it settled about Pindus in the parts called Macednian; thence again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia to Peloponnesos, where it took the name of Dorian".

You seem to suggest that the "Greeks" are a homogenous Mediterranean ethnic group that has existed for thousands of years, while in reality, many, many different peoples have lived there over the years. Dark haired/dark eyed Greeks would be survivors of the original population (some, however, obviously look Turkish); the Nordic-looking Greeks would be descended from the Achaeans/Dorians.

Of course Greeks are not a "pure race", but the available data demonstrate
that any potential introgression into the Greek gene pool were minor and did not replace the indigenous people. Hence, Fallmerayer's thesis has been disproved.There is more than enough genetic research to prove exactly what Anima Eternae has said :Greeks were not Nordic. Not in the population sense. Exception is not the rule.

Here are some samples(just ask for the whole article):

The most comprehensive study of Y-chromosomal diversity in Europe thus far is Rosser et al., [1]. The human Y chromosome is passed on from father to son. One can thus study one half of a population's ancestry (along the paternal line) by studying the Y-chromosome. Greek Y-chromosomes belong to haplogroups HG1, HG2, HG3, HG9, HG21 and HG26. None of the 35 Greek Y chromosomes are of non-Caucasoid origin.

A second Y-chromosome study including Greeks have also shown similar results. Helgason et al., [2] reports one HG16 sequence of North Eurasian provenance in a sample of 42 Greeks (at least 97.6% Caucasoid). To put this in perspective, eight HG16 chromosomes occur in 110 Swedes (at least 92.7% Caucasoid) and three HG16 sequences in 112 Norwegians (at least 97.3% Caucasoid) were also found. HG16 is shared by many populations ranging from Europe to Mongolia. Its origin has been placed by [7] in the Eastern range of its current geographical distribution.

To end this Turk fairy tale.
Proof in literature:
There are numerous references to brunets in ancient mythology and literature, e.g., the Muses, Poseidon, Alcmena, Theseus, Zeus, Dionysos and Odysseus are described as possessing either dark hair or dark eyes. Hercules, the Greeks' favorite hero is described as dark (melanan), hook-nosed (grupon) by Dicaearchus (Clement of Alexandria, "Protreptic to the Greeks" 2.30.7). Hercules was also proverbially melampugos (having a black behind) as indicative of his bravery, as opposed to pugargos (having a white behind), a coward . Irwin, E., 1974, Colour Terms in Greek Poetry, Hakkert, Toronto

The author of Aristotelis Physiognomica claims that both excessive paleness and excessive swarthiness are indicative of cowardice. Aristotle in the Eudemian Ethics mentions that "some men are blue eyed (glaukoi) and others black eyed (melanommatoi) because a particular part of them is of a particular quality" without assigning any moral superiority on either of the types. In the same passage, he continues that the blue-eyed man (glaukos) does not see clearly, an error which illustrates that he did not believe in a superiority of blue-eyed individuals. Indeed, the Greeks in general were somewhat repulsed by blue eyes, because of their rarity and association with disease (cataract and glaucoma), as Maxwell-Stuart, P.G., 1981, Studies in Greek colour terminology, vol.1 "Glaukos", Leiden : Brill in a complete study of all the uses of the adjective (glaukos) shows: Instinctive fear of blindness must be very strong among all sighted human beings, so their immediate reaction to such an eye will manifest itself in a repulsive frisson. Men will wish to ward off a similar fate from themselves.


Artistic Evidence:
Greek art furnishes important information about the racial type of the ancient Hellenes. Coon in observed that the beauty ideal of a straight nose and a lithe body was borrowed from Minoan Crete which was undisputably peopled by Mediterraneans.The characteristic nose-forehead continuity of idealistic depictions of gods and heroes is more typical of Mediterraneans than Nordics , although it was rare for ancient Greeks as it is for modern ones. Angel observes though, that his Dinaric-Mediterranean (Type F) morphological type approaches this ideal, in contrast to the Nordic-Iranian (Type D) in which the nasal bone projects at a sharp angle with the frontal bone.


Some more:

THE ORIGIN OF THE GREEKS BY ARIS N. POULIANOS
(1961, 1964, 1968, 1988)
(The book is sold out, but soon will be republished).

Four successive editions, constantly enriched with new data, are edited concerning the Anthropological - Ethnogenetic study of the Greek population. The basis of this work is Aris N. Poulianos dissertation, which took place in the University of Moscow, under the supervision of the famous professor of Anthropology F. G. Debetz. The research was based on the study of 70 human characteristics (p. ex. body height, width of face, skin colour, shape of eyes etc.) of about 3000 Greek emigrants (after 1949 civil war) in the f. Soviet Union from different Hellenic areas. The statistical elaboration of these characteristics in combination with their geographical distribution demonstrated mathematically (because of their low dispersion) the incessant biological continuity of the Greeks all through the historic and prehistoric epochs, which refer at least to the Mesolithic and Upper Palaeolithic periods (15.000-30.000 years). This historical continuity is also proved by the comparison of measurements of the contemporary inhabitants with those of the ancient skulls of Greece, which statistically show no differences. Despite the occasional influences and limited migrations of populations, the anthropological research has shown that the population of Greece is basically native and that the contemporary Greeks are descendants of the ancient peoples who resided in the Greek peninsula.

The alleged "Sub-Saharan" theory

In numerous recent studies, the mitochondrial DNA of Greeks was examined and was found to be predominantly Caucasoid with only infrequent presence of "erratic" sequences from non-Caucasoid sources. Mitochondrial DNA ("mtDNA") is inherited from one's mother and is thus a good way to establish the maternal ancestry of a population.

The most comprehensive European-wide study of mtDNA is [1] in which 125 Greeks were sampled among thousands of Europeans. The Greeks and the Albanians appear in the "Mediterranean-East" category of the study. Greeks tested belonged overwhelmingly to the Caucasoid-specific haplogroups ("Seven Daughters of Eve" popularized by Bryan Sykes' book).

The "erratic" sequences include a Sub-Saharan African (L1a) sequence, which was derived from the Albanian part of the sample [2]. The other two sequences non-attributed to a European founder are members of haplogroups prevalent in Asia, M and D. Thus, the total percentage of erratics in the Greek sample was 1.6%. The Greeks, like most Europeans are fairly pure in terms of their maternal ancestry.

It is sometimes argued that the Greeks absorbed large numbers of Negro slaves or immigrants. There is no evidence of such an event in Greek mtDNA. If it ever took place, it was so limited in scope that not a single sequence in a total of 125 could be found.

I hope you enjoy this. It proves nordic.com to be full of it.

New Rules for Historical Instruction in Germany (in Discussion and Correspondence), American Anthropologist, New Series, Vol. 36, No. 1. (Jan. -Mar., 1934), pp. 139-141.


http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/texts/nazigermany/

Your mom's full of it, and you bet she enjoys it.

Sorry. I just couldn't help myself. I'm sure that a meticulously researched dissertation such as yours must be right on the money.

I said I was sorry. That makes it all alright.

I'm not worried. I have loads of amusing board games to keep the old dodderer occupied. I'm not kidding, the selection really is first rate - not like the pitiful little collection in the retirement home's catnip-smelling lounge.

Which ones, Nordblod? I like boardgames, not to play them but as works of art.

Actually, I haven't a single one. That was just something I made up in order to make the joke more festive. Pretty smooth, huh?

Damn, I thought you had a work of art I didn't know about.