What did you guys think? I thought it was actually pretty fascinating. I also noticed some discomfort among Gab, Casp, and other republicans about Duke's anti-Bush philosophies, and even his Nader support.


Starts here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=141878&page=5&pp=10


Not many tough questions, except for Casper's one about Nazi imagery.





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A few individuals are a bit overly antagonistic to the republicans. Republicans are a helluvalot better than democrats and deserve appreciation for that.

I note the question by one sf'er, what to do about those in the movement who bring embarrassment on the elite. Looked largely like a playpen full of sycophants over there. I have stayed away from commenting on the sf/VNN shouting match because I don't go there. Now that I've been tricked into looking at it, yuck!

That is some corny shit.

Let's all worship david duke now and slop up his one line answers in between constant praisings of SF and don black for giving us the light of god. What could we ever do without these cheesemongers?

I bet in 2 years the NA will still only have about a handful of members and be too scared to do anything more than drop flyers in the night. If Linder and Roper had the NA's resources there would at least be a professional writer who doesn't bore the masses to sleep and a good organizer who actually isn't afraid to conduct a demonstration. But that is why the NOPe dopes hate them--because they could do their jobs better blindfolded. You would really have to try to screw up to fail as bad as NA's current leadership.

[QUOTE=Mithras]

I bet in 2 years the NA will still only have about a handful of members and be too scared to do anything more than drop flyers in the night. If Linder and Roper had the NA's resources there would at least be a professional writer who doesn't bore the masses to sleep and a good organizer who actually isn't afraid to conduct a demonstration. But that is why the NOPe dopes hate them--because they could do their jobs better blindfolded. You would really have to try to screw up to fail as bad as NA's current leadership.[/QUOTE]

Let's see them organise an event...any event with more than 50 people in attendance then. No disrespect to Mr Linder or Mr Roper...as they are doing a hell of a lot more than I am, but I'm sick of seeing the SF figures constantly mocked and ridiculed on here.

[QUOTE=jozu]Let's see them organise an event...any event with more than 50 people in attendance then. No disrespect to Mr Linder or Mr Roper...as they are doing a hell of a lot more than I am, but I'm sick of seeing the SF figures constantly mocked and ridiculed on here.[/QUOTE]


Get used to it, piss and moan, or go away. SF is so full of softsoapers and suckups that it is a mockery and ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Mithras]That is some corny shit.

Let's all worship david duke now and slop up his one line answers in between constant praisings of SF and don black for giving us the light of god.[/QUOTE]
That sums up it up right there. I only got as far as CAL's [COLOR=Blue]"Rep. David Duke will be online momentarily"[/COLOR] before I became nauseous from the corporate-talk-show celebrity atmosphere. And the oh-so-suspenseful [COLOR=Magenta]"Good evening, this is David Duke and as soon I finish brewing a good, strong pot of coffee, I will be with you. See you in about 15 minutes"[/COLOR] from Duke. I was expecting a tampon or douche commercial to pop-up any second. "And now a word from our jew sponsors.."

I bet that was a very difficult evening for CAL though, trying to crush dissent (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=70025&postcount=13) with one hand and simultaneously beat-off with the other.

[QUOTE=Der Henker]I bet that was a very difficult evening for CAL though, trying to crush dissent (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=70025&postcount=13) with one hand and simultaneously beat-off with the other.[/QUOTE]

:rofl: Yep, VNN is a valuable resource in the struggle for our race's survival alright!

[COLOR=Navy]I found it interesting that David Duke mentioned he "had to get to an appointment" at the end of his appearance on Stormfront. If I calculated the time right, it would have been around 2am in the morning, Louisiana time, when he signed off. If so, where was he so anxious to get to at that time of the night? [/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Karl Ramstrom][COLOR=Navy]I found it interesting that David Duke mentioned he "had to get to an appointment" at the end of his appearance on Stormfront. If I calculated the time right, it would have been around 2am in the morning, Louisiana time, when he signed off. If so, where was he so anxious to get to at that time of the night? [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
It was probably the last departure of the night for the riverboat casino.. :eek:

[QUOTE=Karl Ramstrom][COLOR=Navy]I found it interesting that David Duke mentioned he "had to get to an appointment" at the end of his appearance on Stormfront. If I calculated the time right, it would have been around 2am in the morning, Louisiana time, when he signed off. If so, where was he so anxious to get to at that time of the night? [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

His black hooker was waiting for him, and he didn't want to pay her for a whole hour.

I still can't believe there was so much hype over some loser who stole money off of the Church plate. He went to prison for theft, big deal. He's not anybody special, and nobody I would want any kids to look up to.

While reading the Duke thread on SF, I came across this interesting admission from one "John Robinson," a SF sustaining member:

Few if any of us have your courage Mr. Duke, but many of us are working with groups like American Renaissance, Vdare.com, Numbersusa.com groups that work for our race and culture and all understand the Zionist/neo conservative power structure. But we can't come "out of the closet" so to speak and get tagged with the anti Semite, hater label. It's the kiss of death in American life to be labeled a public anti Semite.

Yes, they understand the "Zionist/neo conservative power structure" but are afraid to say the word "jew." This is what VNN has been saying all along. here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=141878&page=12&pp=10

rich brooks
www.whitealert.com

[QUOTE=jozu]Let's see them organise an event...any event with more than 50 people in attendance then. No disrespect to Mr Linder or Mr Roper...as they are doing a hell of a lot more than I am, but I'm sick of seeing the SF figures constantly mocked and ridiculed on here.[/QUOTE]

You mean as opposed to not holding any demonstration because the typical SF'er won't be caught dead in daylight where "the FBI might take pictures of them" and where "who knows what is lurking in the shawdows to snatch them up"?

There are more cowards and infiltrators sewing dissent--the actually damaging type--at SF than in any website or organization in the world.

I wouldn't be surprised if the NA leadership were paid agents. The BNP has over a million supporters, while the NA should have 10 million yet doesn't even have 10 thousand. Any business man knows that flyers are the worst advertizing tools available, and for a movement meant for the masses that is a complete betrayal to the cause. Where are the demonstrations? ALl they did since Duke got back is hold a conference for insiders to support blind faith in their pitiful losing strategy that if you ask me is designed to FAIL. Open your eyes, white man.

[QUOTE=WhiteAlert]Yes, they understand the "Zionist/neo conservative power structure" but are afraid to say the word "jew." [/QUOTE]

The usual cowardice that you see on SF every other thread is the main reason I left SF (after being banned for confronting them on it, of course).

Of all things, cowardice should not be tolerated by anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Until whites realize that their skin forces them to come out of the closet in support of their race there will not be much hope for a mass movement.

How about the non stop pitch for donations, Duke even suggested that most
could afford to send Don Black 50$ a month, instead of the miserly little 5$.
He then reminded everyone how expensive there little get together was and how it hurt the work of E.U.R.O. and others.
I wonder what the take was.

[QUOTE=SSWolf]How about the non stop pitch for donations, Duke even suggested that most
could afford to send Don Black 50$ a month, instead of the miserly little 5$.
He then reminded everyone how expensive there little get together was and how it hurt the work of E.U.R.O. and others.
I wonder what the take was.[/QUOTE]

You left out the part where Dukey said that the donations were a matter of life and death. That was a classic line that almost made me choke on my pancakes this morning. Internet? Important? Pfft, if I'm gonna die for something, It won't be internet related. It won't be because Stormfront went bankrupt for sure.

[QUOTE=Mithras].

I wouldn't be surprised if the NA leadership were paid agents.

The BNP has over a million supporters, while the NA should have 10 million yet doesn't even have 10 thousand.

Any business man knows that flyers are the worst advertizing tools available,

Open your eyes, white man.[/QUOTE]
I used to work for a company that would pay me to go out and flyer cars and put flyers in doors when buisness was slow. These flyers offered huge discounts and many freebies, when I would leave a parking lot half the flyers would be laying on the ground after people got in their cars.

People would thrown them down without even looking at them and all they did was pay me for giving away flyers that cost money, but I didn't care since I was getting paid easy money.

The point is of course that flyers are a waste of time. What has it gotten NA members? Fired from their jobs, public mocking, and things of that nature. If they want to grow rent a hall of some sort to give weekly speeches in pay a security service to keep trouble down (the uniform is usually enough) and put an add in the paper. Invite news stations or any media outlet.

this would make them grow a thousand times faster than all the flyers they could produce in a decade.

I am not a member of the NA but they do have a poor management and growth strategy.

I go to religious workshops, now I know there are hundreds of Christian haters here but religious organizations are growing in leaps and bounds while WN organizations are dwindling. Go see what is working for those that are growing. If you see an organization growing rapidly go and check it out, find out what they are doing and offer the same services or whatever for White Nationals.

Growth is easy once you get a few dedicated men together.

[QUOTE=Mithras]You mean as opposed to not holding any demonstration because the typical SF'er won't be caught dead in daylight where "the FBI might take pictures of them" and where "who knows what is lurking in the shawdows to snatch them up"?

There are more cowards and infiltrators sewing dissent--the actually damaging type--at SF than in any website or organization in the world.

I wouldn't be surprised if the NA leadership were paid agents. The BNP has over a million supporters, while the NA should have 10 million yet doesn't even have 10 thousand. Any business man knows that flyers are the worst advertizing tools available, and for a movement meant for the masses that is a complete betrayal to the cause. Where are the demonstrations? ALl they did since Duke got back is hold a conference for insiders to support blind faith in their pitiful losing strategy that if you ask me is designed to FAIL. Open your eyes, white man.[/QUOTE]


The NA has a hell of a lot less than 10 thousand, almost certainly less than 1/10th of that, unless you count the membership like the famous mathamatical genious Erich Gliebe does; count all the people who have resigned or quit paying dues, which is the shit he used to try to pull on the BoD in order to try to hide the fact that the NA was shrinking fast under his mismanagement.

Flyers shouldn't be abandoned. They do work, especially when they bring local media attention. But they shouldn't be an organization's entire outreach program, flyering should be one small part of it, something organized and conducted on a local level. Under Dr. Pierce the NA was rapidly developing the capability to reach large numbers of people through mass media. All that has been scrapped by the race traitors who currently have the NA by the throat. Dr. Pierce realized the importance of rapid, explosive growth and the NA under his leadership was poised to take off. NAHQ was vibrant with energy and there was a real feeling of optimism fueling a creativity that the current NA completely lacks. ZOG knew the NA was a real threat with the potential to become even more of a threat and something had to be done to stop it. The Gleebe/Walker clown show is the result. Years of work have been destroyed by the criminals in the Gliebe gang. Of course they WILL be held accountable for their treason at some point, if ZOG doesn't chew them up first when they outlive their usefullness or their destructiveness begins to yield deminishing returns for the puppeteers pulling their strings.

Death to ZOG! The Jew's stranglehold on our people MUST be broken, and the only way to break it is to destroy the bastards! Any "leader" whose focus is on anything but this simple truth is not working for the interests of the White Race or the future that can ONLY come about through our complete and total victory and the total anihilation of our enemies. This is why it is so important to expose the agents of the enemy working within our cause, even the ones who serve the enemy through their ignorance or cowardice.

So Fred, if he was so awful even then, why didn't you do something about it?

Or were you just content to try to sling shit from a distance?

[QUOTE=Bamaman]So Fred, if he was so awful even then, why didn't you do something about it?

Or were you just content to try to sling shit from a distance?[/QUOTE]

When you have put as much into the cause as Mr. Streed has, you will have more respect for those who choose action over talk.

[QUOTE=Bamaman]So Fred, if he was so awful even then, why didn't you do something about it?

Or were you just content to try to sling shit from a distance?[/QUOTE]

Gee, Bananaman, you sure told me! I'm just fucking devastated and at a loss for an answer. Now run along, maybe your masters will give you a big "'attaboy" for your loyalty.

[QUOTE=Bamaman]So Fred, if he was so awful even then, why didn't you do something about it? Or were you just content to try to sling shit from a distance?[/QUOTE]
Insulting a man who put in so much hard work?

This alone tells you all you need to know about the curent leadership and its toadies.

How was that an insult? It was an honest question.

If Fred knew that Gliebe was so horrible (as he claims) even back in those days, why did he not only put him in power but then not do anything about it afterwards? Why has he still not done anything about it?

He's either a coward, a liar, or both. And considering his little spiel a few posts ago about cowards being enemies, seems a little odd.

Since he supposedly cares so much about the "old Alliance" that he attempts to trash the "new NA" every chance he gets, why has he not done anything about it? How about a few of you remove your heads from his rectum and find out, I don't think you'll be able to hear his answer from in there.

I don't seek pats on the head, sorry to inform you. I just enjoy pointing out stupidity and questionable statements.

So Fred, instead of dodging the question with a neato reference to the "new NA", why don't you answer it? Why didn't you fix things if you knew that the "new gang" was so awful? Or if you'd prefer, continue posturing for your lapdogs.

I don't know why a lot of people seem to have a problem here.At least David Duke is giving people a chance to ask him questions.Is that so bad? To often on this forum people seem quick to attack those actually doing something.

The amount of Pro-Bush people on Stormfront is really making me reconsider some things....

SF= slightly racist republicans?





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[QUOTE=Bamaman]How was that an insult? It was an honest question.

If Fred knew that Gliebe was so horrible (as he claims) even back in those days, why did he not only put him in power but then not do anything about it afterwards? Why has he still not done anything about it?

He's either a coward, a liar, or both. And considering his little spiel a few posts ago about cowards being enemies, seems a little odd.

Since he supposedly cares so much about the "old Alliance" that he attempts to trash the "new NA" every chance he gets, why has he not done anything about it? How about a few of you remove your heads from his rectum and find out, I don't think you'll be able to hear his answer from in there.

I don't seek pats on the head, sorry to inform you. I just enjoy pointing out stupidity and questionable statements.

So Fred, instead of dodging the question with a neato reference to the "new NA", why don't you answer it? Why didn't you fix things if you knew that the "new gang" was so awful? Or if you'd prefer, continue posturing for your lapdogs.[/QUOTE]



This has been answered, by me and others, several times. I suggest you go back and read the "Erich Gliebe" thread.

Contrary to the lies of the current NA "leadership" I do not bash the NA or seek to destroy it. I do however bash hell out of the treasonous scum that have about ruined the National Alliance that I spent 11 years of my life on. I would like nothing better than to see the NA grow to hundreds of times it's current size and spearhead the renewal of our people. Ain't gonna happen with the self serving scum that you currently have impersonating leaders while they loot and wreck the organization that Dr. Pierce and others worked so hard to build.

Mr Streed,

You stated "Under Dr. Pierce the NA was rapidly developing the capability to reach large numbers of people through mass media. All that has been scrapped by the race traitors who currently have the NA by the throat."

Can you explain exactly what part of the NA's mass media program has been scraped since July of 2002 when Dr Pierce passed away? And please dont limit your answer since you stated that "all that" was scraped...

I know that the publishing of National Vanguard was in the works before Dr Pierce died and that has been carried on and also supplimented by the nationalvanguard.org news website. Free Speech is the one periodical that I acknowledge the NA hasn't released in a while.

A person might suspect that you are not fairly judging what the NA is doing now and what they were doing then because you are upset with the present leadership.

April Gaede

what KAS is doing on his nickel such as Nationalvanguard.org is probably the only light in a dim outlook. Hopefully he is busy churning out good propaganda instead of scheming against Alex. As sorry as the rest of the situation is, I am glad to hear that he is soaking up many of the nickels himself as the others appear to be going for naught.

The local units such as are remainng, are coming into their own and nationalvanguard.org wisely gives them a platform. The incompetence of HQ is somewhat mitigated by that development.

As good an outcome as may be hoped, perhaps will be that when it all fragments KAS and the local units salvage as much as possible.

if Ms Gaede makes out on the deal too that is fine, she has lovely children. She may wish to consider hitching her cart too closely to the lead horses though as they may falter.

Hey Fred,
You like to speak of "masters" and "cultists" in the new NA. Yet you also claim that Gliebe is buying his loyalty and blowing tons of the NA's cash. Now wouldnt someone who went to work for practically nothing and practically worships a man he worked for as more cultist than someone who is doing something because he is being paid well for it?

Now go take a bath and treat Marta's bunyons before she beats you again.

[QUOTE=SheWolfoftheNA]Mr Streed,

You stated "Under Dr. Pierce the NA was rapidly developing the capability to reach large numbers of people through mass media. All that has been scrapped by the race traitors who currently have the NA by the throat."

Can you explain exactly what part of the NA's mass media program has been scraped since July of 2002 when Dr Pierce passed away? And please dont limit your answer since you stated that "all that" was scraped...

I know that the publishing of National Vanguard was in the works before Dr Pierce died and that has been carried on and also supplimented by the nationalvanguard.org news website. Free Speech is the one periodical that I acknowledge the NA hasn't released in a while.

A person might suspect that you are not fairly judging what the NA is doing now and what they were doing then because you are upset with the present leadership.

April Gaede[/QUOTE]


Ms Gaede

I was referring to the developement of NEW outreach programs. The current leadership seems to focus more on suppressing anything they don't like than on developing anything truly new. Under Dr. Pierce the NA had a video production dept., they were experimenting with flash animation, they produced a computer game with a racialist slant, the NA had produced a racialist comic book. The important thing is that there was a focused effort to expand the propaganda capabilities of the NA. Even the demonstrations were an outreach experiment. The current crew have failed to even hold on to what they had handed to them. By your own admission they have pissed away Free Speech magazine. When is the last time they put out a book catalog for NVBooks? When is the last time they published anything new? Where is their video production dept? The traitorous dogs who are now in charge concentrate their efforts at attempting to control and suppress instead of trying to expand their outreach.

Your loyalty to the NA is admirable. But there is no way the current NA under the foul race traitor Erich Gliebe and the rest of his crew of degenerate thugs can compare to the NA of Dr. Pierce. I know there are ass kissing sycophants within the current NA who have the audacity to push the line that Ol' Gleeber is right up there with Jeezus hisself in holiness and infallibility and shit and the best thing that ever happened was for Dr. Pierce to conveniently expire in order to pave the way for the enlightened leadership of the great one Chairman Gleebie.

As for me not fairly judging what the NA is doing now compared to what they did under Dr. Pierce, perhaps. I don't want to deny them credit for the things they are doing. But most of it is in spite of the weak and corrupt leadership from the NAHQ, not because of it. I realize there are a lot of good and talented people within the NA, they deserve better leadership than they are getting.

You are right about one thing, I am a bit upset with the present "leadership".

[QUOTE=your mama]Hey Fred,
You like to speak of "masters" and "cultists" in the new NA. Yet you also claim that Gliebe is buying his loyalty and blowing tons of the NA's cash. Now wouldnt someone who went to work for practically nothing and practically worships a man he worked for as more cultist than someone who is doing something because he is being paid well for it?

Now go take a bath and treat Marta's bunyons before she beats you again.[/QUOTE]

Hey Fat Dave, you dope smoking piece of shit,

I worked for a cause, not a man, but you will never be able to understand that.

Now go load up the bong and have another hit. Perhaps you better look to getting those dishes done first before the ol' lady gets home, you know how she rags on your fat worthless ass for not doing anything but lay around the house all day while she works for a living.

Your'e doing a great job for your cause now Gene. Maybe a little more whining, a tad more bitching with a hint of moaning will put our Race over the hump. Now when is the NA supposed to collapse again?

SheWolfoftheNA aka April Gaede.

Resistance Magazine cover.

Enough said.

[QUOTE=SheWolfoftheNA]Mr Streed,

Can you explain exactly what part of the NA's mass media program has been scraped since July of 2002 when Dr Pierce passed away? And please dont limit your answer since you stated that "all that" was scraped...

April Gaede[/QUOTE]
The main thing scrapped in my view is integrity. NA's current misleadership is deliberately softening NA's message. Gliebe & co. are as phony in pretending to be disciples of Dr. Pierce as George W. Bush is in pretending to be a Reaganite. Billy Roper overtly adopted the big tent approach for his organization, but the NA under Gliebe has been doing it surreptitiously, while continuing to use Dr. Pierce's name and image. A concrete example of this is the elimination of National Vanguard Books' World War II book section. Also, I noted in the recent issue of National Vanguard magazine that conservative writer Bob Whitaker actually believes in the Holohoax, and was allowed to endorse that hoax in the pages of NV. And of course there is the increased visibility of Christians, which Dr. Pierce would not have enjoyed. The big tent is an approach that was rejected by Dr. Pierce and by Adolf Hitler before him. Dr. Pierce cared above all about integrity. Too bad that Dr. Pierce did not have a successor who actually understood what he was about.

[QUOTE=Hadding]The main thing scrapped in my view is integrity. NA's current misleadership is deliberately softening NA's message. Gliebe & co. are as phony in pretending to be disciples of Dr. Pierce as George W. Bush is in pretending to be a Reaganite. Billy Roper overtly adopted the big tent approach for his organization, but the NA under Gliebe has been doing it surreptitiously, while continuing to use Dr. Pierce's name and image. A concrete example of this is the elimination of National Vanguard Books' World War II book section. Also, I noted in the recent issue of National Vanguard magazine that conservative writer Bob Whitaker actually believes in the Holohoax, and was allowed to endorse that hoax in the pages of NV. And of course there is the increased visibility of Christians, which Dr. Pierce would not have enjoyed. The big tent is an approach that was rejected by Dr. Pierce and by Adolf Hitler before him. Dr. Pierce cared above all about integrity. Too bad that Dr. Pierce did not have a successor who actually understood what he was about.[/QUOTE]

The previous "National Socialist Revolution" section was removed for a bit, then returned under the name "20th Century Europe." The NVB banner used to state "A Valuable Resource for Aryans." Aryans has been replaced by "Whites." Also, in the recent issue of NV, Whitaker describes National Socialist Germany as a "truly totalitarian regime." Whitaker states this towards the bottom of page 17. The Christian involvement with the National Alliance is sick.

Whitaker describes National Socialist Germany as a "truly totalitarian regime."

Was it not?




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Was it not?




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I might also add that on page 17, Whitaker states:

"For them, that is not Pure Evil Hate, like Hitler."

[QUOTE=your mama]Your'e doing a great job for your cause now Gene. Maybe a little more whining, a tad more bitching with a hint of moaning will put our Race over the hump. Now when is the NA supposed to collapse again?[/QUOTE]

The pissing and moaning all seems to be coming from you clowns, you yellow bellied fat coward. One female ex NA member told me about an interesting phone conversation she had with The Great Glibe One, he sniveled about how none of the things we were saying about his punch drunk ass were true and even began sobbing. The Chairman hisself, sobbing into the phone, just couldn't understand why people were always picking on him, and after all he had done for the NA and all his sacrafices (like giving up a low paying dead end job as a third rate lathe operator in order to become the playboy CEO of Resistance Records with access to all the inventory and the power to "correct" any discrepancies in the database, and then the Chairman of a viable dues paying organization with over a million dollars worth of assets).

You must have forgot, you drunken dope smoking buffoon, that I used to work with you clowns, what little work you did besides set around talking shit and acting important. I have had most of you sorry pieces of genetic garbage as guests in my house, fed you dinner, signed your paychecks, and listened to you whine and bitch about each other and snivel about not getting paid enough. Typical of you to accuse someone else of behavior you are yourself notorious for, you loud mouthed poltroon.

Now you better scatter your fat ass down to the store and take care of that shopping list, and don't forget the tampons, you know how she is after a hard day at work, don't want to make things any worse.

Hey Fred,

I was crying about yer post on how off the rails NA is, then The Jews phoned me up (collect, of course) and pointed out that you're one of only three or four people who had the power to stop the Evil Erich Gliebe dead in his tracks. Yet YOU, yes, YOU, FRED STREED, handyman to the White World, VOTED ERICH GLIEBE INTO OFFICE!

What a shame, Fred... Still, please DO keep on telling us mere goyim how stupid we are...

Just a thought as an outsider.

I know that the NA is ridding itself of the NS stuff, amongst other things.

Now, why would this be ,if the NA do not fight in elections ?

I could understand that, if the NA was going to fight in elections. So therefore, what is with this 'makeover '?

[QUOTE=heaven above]Just a thought as an outsider.

I know that the NA is ridding itself of the NS stuff, amongst other things.

Now, why would this be ,if the NA do not fight in elections ?

I could understand that, if the NA was going to fight in elections. So therefore, what is with this 'makeover '?[/QUOTE]
I think they are doing it because they are cowards. They are not hardcore like Dr. Pierce was, and they don't understand why he was so hardcore; so, lacking conviction that Dr. Pierce's radicalism was necessary, they soften things up.

In doing this they hope to avoid offending some people and thus get more support. The fact is, though, that by softening the message they make the NA less distinctive and less important as a voice. Although more people might find the kinder and gentler NA unobjectionable, NA will not gain support by being unobjectionable. Irrelevance is what NA will gain.

[QUOTE=Hadding]I think they are doing it because they are cowards. They are not hardcore like Dr. Pierce was, and they don't understand why he was so hardcore; so, lacking conviction that Dr. Pierce's radicalism was necessary, they soften things up.

In doing this they hope to avoid offending some people and thus get more support. The fact is, though, that by softening the message they make the NA less distinctive and less important as a voice. Although more people might find the kinder and gentler NA unobjectionable, NA will not gain support by being unobjectionable. Irrelevance is what NA will gain.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Hadding I THOUGHT you were right, that we were cowards and all, until I phoned up the local Unit Co-ordinator. (smirk)

He had this "revolutionary" conclusion: he said we should NEVER drag the ZOG courts into WN stuff, unlike some of the "hardcore Neo-Nazis" who run whining like little fags to the cops like some people on here. Or "others", Hadding, who push splitting the Alliance into local units, or, Hadding, others still who say people should SUE the leadership in the corrupt, capitalist, Zionist courts.

Otherwise, Hadding, some people would have gotten sued, hassled and otherwise legally messed with. Meanwhile, Hadding, if you ain't pulling down a wage you should be.

Earned it and all--Hadding.

[QUOTE=Only Rock 'N' Roll] he said we should NEVER drag the ZOG courts into WN stuff, unlike some of the "hardcore Neo-Nazis" who run whining like little fags to the cops like some people on here. [/QUOTE]


Jeezus H. Keerist, what a friggin hypocrit. The cowardly Gleebo and the drunken jerk Walker are the biggest snitches around. There was talk locally when I was still living in the neighborhood about the local police assigning an officer full time to deal with their constant calls sniveling about me. And you gotta be joking about the ZOG court bit, right? I believe the NA has a harrassment lawsuit going right now against a racial patriot, an uncalled for and unnecessary law suit. And word on the street is that they are planning more law suits.

You wouldn't be Greaser Williams of NA mailing list fame would you? C'mon, fess up to yer real name tough guy. Or are you just another one of those whiney little girly men that are always running to the cops like Gleeber and Skipper? "Cop! Cop! CAWP! Help! I need a cop over here!"

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]One female ex NA member told me about an interesting phone conversation she had with The Great Glibe One, he sniveled about how none of the things we were saying about his punch drunk ass were true and even began sobbing. The Chairman hisself, sobbing into the phone, just couldn't understand why people were always picking on him, and after all he had done for the NA and all his sacrafices (like giving up a low paying dead end job as a third rate lathe operator in order to become the playboy CEO of Resistance Records with access to all the inventory and the power to "correct" any discrepancies in the database, and then the Chairman of a viable dues paying organization with over a million dollars worth of assets).
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Wow, "an ex-NA member told me about something she says happened on the phone." That is quite a reputable source of information. I can see now why you guys here get all of the "scoops".

I still haven't checked the Gliebe thread you recommended (I will do that shortly), though I hope your claims in that thread hold more water than most of the other hearsay, rumor, bs that passes for 'facts' here.

[QUOTE=Only Rock 'N' Roll]Yeah, Hadding I THOUGHT you were right, that we were cowards and all, until I phoned up the local Unit Co-ordinator. (smirk)

He had this "revolutionary" conclusion: he said we should NEVER drag the ZOG courts into WN stuff, unlike some of the "hardcore Neo-Nazis" who run whining like little fags to the cops like some people on here. Or "others", Hadding, who push splitting the Alliance into local units, or, Hadding, others still who say people should SUE the leadership in the corrupt, capitalist, Zionist courts.

Otherwise, Hadding, some people would have gotten sued, hassled and otherwise legally messed with. Meanwhile, Hadding, if you ain't pulling down a wage you should be.

Earned it and all--Hadding.[/QUOTE]
Your little diatribe, apart from being thoroughly hypocritical, has no apparent bearing on my statement that the NA misleadership has softened the NA message because of a lack of backbone.

What's your point? Are you saying that your "local Unit co-ordinator" thinks there is a more appropriate or more efficacious method than a lawsuit for dealing with the Gliebe-problem? Please tell us what that would be.

In my opinion a lawsuit against Gliebe and co. should already be underway. That would decide the issue and it would be a lot less sloppy than wrestling with you hogs in your own filth like this, which I am about to swear off again, after having been away from it for some time. If that lawsuit is ever actually pursued, someone please let me know. Until then I have better things to do than participate in a pissing contest that isn't going to determine a damned thing.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]This has been answered, by me and others, several times. I suggest you go back and read the "Erich Gliebe" thread.

Contrary to the lies of the current NA "leadership" I do not bash the NA or seek to destroy it. I do however bash hell out of the treasonous scum that have about ruined the National Alliance that I spent 11 years of my life on. I would like nothing better than to see the NA grow to hundreds of times it's current size and spearhead the renewal of our people. Ain't gonna happen with the self serving scum that you currently have impersonating leaders while they loot and wreck the organization that Dr. Pierce and others worked so hard to build.[/QUOTE]

Fred,

I'm now 20 pages into the Erich Gliebe thread and quite frankly bored to death by the redundant babbling about all the evils of the NA (you'd think after 51 pages of that thread, plus about 500 other threads VNN could find something else to moan about - but I guess not).

In 20 pages I have yet to see a complete answer to my question of: "If you knew that Erich Gliebe was so awful as you have claimed, why did you not only put him power but then do nothing whatsoever and to this date have still done nothing whatsoever other than trash talk?"

The only things remotely close thus far I've found are you claiming the burden of the decision was on your shoulders, which doesn't answer why you've done absolutely nothing if all of this awful stuff has been going on at NA headquarters. The other explanation is that lawyers would have picked the NA apart during a power struggle (and of course there is nothing other than your word that Gliebe would have "destroyed the organization" over it), and quite frankly I find that hard to swallow if you could have legally taken power back and had the power to do so, it sounds more like hot air. Is the actual answer to why you did nothing at all somewhere in the other 31 pages of this mind-numbing stuck-record anti-NA whinefest?

It should also be mentioned that just like the Jews you guys shout down (and continue to do so even now) anyone with a separate view from yours as a "Gliebe toadie" or "paid Gliebester."

[QUOTE=Bamaman]Fred,

I'm now 20 pages into the Erich Gliebe thread and quite frankly bored to death by the redundant babbling about all the evils of the NA (you'd think after 51 pages of that thread, plus about 500 other threads VNN could find something else to moan about - but I guess not).

In 20 pages I have yet to see a complete answer to my question of: "If you knew that Erich Gliebe was so awful as you have claimed, why did you not only put him power but then do nothing whatsoever and to this date have still done nothing whatsoever other than trash talk?"

The only things remotely close thus far I've found are you claiming the burden of the decision was on your shoulders, which doesn't answer why you've done absolutely nothing if all of this awful stuff has been going on at NA headquarters. The other explanation is that lawyers would have picked the NA apart during a power struggle (and of course there is nothing other than your word that Gliebe would have "destroyed the organization" over it), and quite frankly I find that hard to swallow if you could have legally taken power back and had the power to do so, it sounds more like hot air. Is the actual answer to why you did nothing at all somewhere in the other 31 pages of this mind-numbing stuck-record anti-NA whinefest?

It should also be mentioned that just like the Jews you guys shout down (and continue to do so even now) anyone with a separate view from yours as a "Gliebe toadie" or "paid Gliebester." [/QUOTE]
Fred Streed is a man of solid character, but poor Fred was given by Dr. Pierce a kind of responsibility which he had not sought and for which he was unsuited by temperament. Above all, Fred was not as suspicious of other people as he needed to be. Fred and the other directors made a series of mistakes that allowed Gliebe to take illegal de facto control of the NA, and Fred has naively hoped that the NA membership would recognize what was going on and somehow persuade Gliebe to step down, thus avoiding the need for a lawsuit. It seems to me that Fred's error throughout has been to expect too much decency from others, first from Gliebe and now from the rump-membership of the NA.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]what KAS is doing on his nickel such as Nationalvanguard.org is probably the only light in a dim outlook. Hopefully he is busy churning out good propaganda instead of scheming against Alex. As sorry as the rest of the situation is, I am glad to hear that he is soaking up many of the nickels himself as the others appear to be going for naught.

The local units such as are remainng, are coming into their own and nationalvanguard.org wisely gives them a platform. The incompetence of HQ is somewhat mitigated by that development.

As good an outcome as may be hoped, perhaps will be that when it all fragments KAS and the local units salvage as much as possible.

if Ms Gaede makes out on the deal too that is fine, she has lovely children. She may wish to consider hitching her cart too closely to the lead horses though as they may falter.[/QUOTE]

Nationalvanguard.org got off the ground because of Linder. When KAS felt threatened he finally started to move on the media aspect of the NA.

You can Thank Mr. Linder and to a lesser degree, Bob blight of overthrowup for that.

[QUOTE=Hadding]Fred Streed is a man of solid character, but poor Fred was given by Dr. Pierce a kind of responsibility which he had not sought and for which he was unsuited by temperament. Above all, Fred was not as suspicious of other people as he needed to be. Fred and the other directors made a series of mistakes that allowed Gliebe to take illegal de facto control of the NA, and Fred has naively hoped that the NA membership would recognize what was going on and somehow persuade Gliebe to step down, thus avoiding the need for a lawsuit. It seems to me that Fred's error throughout has been to expect too much decency from others, first from Gliebe and now from the rump-membership of the NA.[/QUOTE]
Being too nice is a white characteristic - we always stop short of the death blow. If we're going to win, we need to be ruthless.

[QUOTE=Bamaman]Fred,

I'm now 20 pages into the Erich Gliebe thread and quite frankly bored to death by the redundant babbling about all the evils of the NA (you'd think after 51 pages of that thread, plus about 500 other threads VNN could find something else to moan about - but I guess not).

In 20 pages I have yet to see a complete answer to my question of: "If you knew that Erich Gliebe was so awful as you have claimed, why did you not only put him power but then do nothing whatsoever and to this date have still done nothing whatsoever other than trash talk?"

The only things remotely close thus far I've found are you claiming the burden of the decision was on your shoulders, which doesn't answer why you've done absolutely nothing if all of this awful stuff has been going on at NA headquarters. The other explanation is that lawyers would have picked the NA apart during a power struggle (and of course there is nothing other than your word that Gliebe would have "destroyed the organization" over it), and quite frankly I find that hard to swallow if you could have legally taken power back and had the power to do so, it sounds more like hot air. Is the actual answer to why you did nothing at all somewhere in the other 31 pages of this mind-numbing stuck-record anti-NA whinefest?

It should also be mentioned that just like the Jews you guys shout down (and continue to do so even now) anyone with a separate view from yours as a "Gliebe toadie" or "paid Gliebester."[/QUOTE]


Bananaman, you wouldn't happen to be Louis Doherty, the editor who can't spell, would you? Still getting your monthly stipend from Hillsboro?

I am sorry that your attention span won't support reading the entire Gliebe thread. The Gleebo club did add a lot of "trash talk", as you call it, in an attempt to "shout down" the truth. The Gleebo club are still trying to use those same old tired tactics but the truth is out there. And of course the Gleeber Club is a lot smaller now than it was a few months ago when the Gliebe thread was happening.

As for us "shouting down" anyone with a different viewpoint, that is bullshit. You can have your say here on VNN forum, and have had your say. What you really mean is that you don't like the way we keep exposing your lies and shining the light of truth on some of the Gleeber Gang's activities which you would rather keep hidden, an example being the fund raiser for Mark Gaudin's son. But I suppose you much prefer the way things are handled on Storm Front, people aren't shouted down there, they are just simply not allowed to post anything that goes against the official party line. Total censorship, that is what you really prefer isn't it?-complete with squirmy little twits like the Kelso punk to enforce it.

Or what about the New Orleans Protocol that you clowns are pushing as such a great step forward? I see it as treason to our cause. But I also see it as a very positive developement in that it makes it quite clear to those who are serious about this struggle that the ZOG tools who push such crap are not on our side.

If some of these treasonous snake oil pushers weren't such jerks I could almost feel sorry for them. They think they are riding high now but once it is in ZOG's best interest to make examples of them it will be off to the Gulag with them. If that doesn't happen then it is inevitable that a serious revolutionary organization or small groups of serious minded people will eventually decide to clean up some of the dead weight and parasites sucking their sustenance from "The Movement". Treason never pays in the end, those you betray hate you and those you serve hate you.

[QUOTE=Fred Streed]Bananaman, you wouldn't happen to be Louis Doherty, the editor who can't spell, would you? Still getting your monthly stipend from Hillsboro?

I am sorry that your attention span won't support reading the entire Gliebe thread. The Gleebo club did add a lot of "trash talk", as you call it, in an attempt to "shout down" the truth. The Gleebo club are still trying to use those same old tired tactics but the truth is out there. And of course the Gleeber Club is a lot smaller now than it was a few months ago when the Gliebe thread was happening.

As for us "shouting down" anyone with a different viewpoint, that is bullshit. You can have your say here on VNN forum, and have had your say. What you really mean is that you don't like the way we keep exposing your lies and shining the light of truth on some of the Gleeber Gang's activities which you would rather keep hidden, an example being the fund raiser for Mark Gaudin's son. But I suppose you much prefer the way things are handled on Storm Front, people aren't shouted down there, they are just simply not allowed to post anything that goes against the official party line. Total censorship, that is what you really prefer isn't it?-complete with squirmy little twits like the Kelso punk to enforce it.

Or what about the New Orleans Protocol that you clowns are pushing as such a great step forward? I see it as treason to our cause. But I also see it as a very positive developement in that it makes it quite clear to those who are serious about this struggle that the ZOG tools who push such crap are not on our side.

If some of these treasonous snake oil pushers weren't such jerks I could almost feel sorry for them. They think they are riding high now but once it is in ZOG's best interest to make examples of them it will be off to the Gulag with them. If that doesn't happen then it is inevitable that a serious revolutionary organization or small groups of serious minded people will eventually decide to clean up some of the dead weight and parasites sucking their sustenance from "The Movement". Treason never pays in the end, those you betray hate you and those you serve hate you.[/QUOTE]

If you're going to attempt to talk about someone's spelling, it would be best not to have mispelled words in your post. Don't know Doherty, never gotten anything more than a Membership bulletin from Hillsboro. But thanks for proving my point about constantly using "Gliebe toadie" or "paid Gliebester" in your attempts to discredit anyone that points out the idiocy in your whining.

It was nice of you to yet again avoid answering my question and instead spew about 50 different things, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with my question.

You can keep whining all you want while trying to squirm away from the question, and I'm going to keep asking that question.

If you knew Gliebe was a horrible, awful, and such an all around evil person why did you not only put him in charge, but then do NOTHING whatsoever to change things? Afterall according to you Gliebe has done everything short of summoning the dark lord Satan into the WV HQ. So why didn't you do anything other than act like a 4 year old kid taking his ball and running home in tears?

If you'd prefer you can just admit to being a liar/coward and a whiner now and save yourself the trouble. Your pissing and moaning means little when you can't even answer a simple question or back up damn near anything you say with facts (other than you heard from your cousin's brother's uncle's nephew's former roomate he said/she said crap).

Maybe you can come up with some more very witty versions of my name to try to spin the conversation away from your avoidance. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=Bamaman]If you're going to attempt to talk about someone's spelling, it would be best not to have mispelled words in your post. Don't know Doherty, never gotten anything more than a Membership bulletin from Hillsboro. But thanks for proving my point about constantly using "Gliebe toadie" or "paid Gliebester" in your attempts to discredit anyone that points out the idiocy in your whining.

It was nice of you to yet again avoid answering my question and instead spew about 50 different things, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with my question.

You can keep whining all you want while trying to squirm away from the question, and I'm going to keep asking that question.

If you knew Gliebe was a horrible, awful, and such an all around evil person why did you not only put him in charge, but then do NOTHING whatsoever to change things? Afterall according to you Gliebe has done everything short of summoning the dark lord Satan into the WV HQ. So why didn't you do anything other than act like a 4 year old kid taking his ball and running home in tears?

If you'd prefer you can just admit to being a liar/coward and a whiner now and save yourself the trouble. Your pissing and moaning means little when you can't even answer a simple question or back up damn near anything you say with facts (other than you heard from your cousin's brother's uncle's nephew's former roomate he said/she said crap).

Maybe you can come up with some more very witty versions of my name to try to spin the conversation away from your avoidance. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]


Pay attention now and concentrate on what I am saying. I'll type real slow just for you. Your questions have already been answered, more than once. One more time now, go back and read the Erich Gliebe thread. But since you seem to be incapable of comprehending that I will try to make this simple. Yes, Gleebo was appointed Chairman by the Board of Directors, I was one of those directors. No, he was not appointed by Dr. Pierce, or Yahweh, or anyone but the BoD. Yes, it was one of the worst mistakes of my life. Yes, the BoD had the power to remove him from the chairman's position. No, we did not. That was the other biggist mistake of my life. For the details and the reasons it happened the way it did you are going to have to read back through old posts dealing with this topic, I already told you where to look.

You are a classic example of what Dr. Pierce used to call an authoritarian personality. Facts don't mean shit to you, you have a built in need to suck up to authority figures and facts are just inconvenient and just piss you off. To your way of thinking, Gliebe is the CHAIRMAN, he is the big kahuna, he must not be questioned. You simply cannot comprehend that he is only in that position through a series of mistakes by the BoD and by his own ruthless underhanded scheming, and by actions on his part that were blatantly illegal. You cannot comprehend that he is totally unsuited for the position, no, all you can see is that he is the CHAIRMAN, by Gawd, he just simply was always meant to be the chairman, and he must have been at least appointed by Dr. Pierce, why he even says so himself. Nope, he is a liar, a race traitor, incompetant, greasy, an asshole, and he is looting and wrecking the NA.

Now you can take your small minded petty nonsense and stick it, punk.

[QUOTE=Bamaman]If you're going to attempt to talk about someone's spelling, it would be best not to have mispelled words in your post. .[/QUOTE]
Fred is not presuming to be qualified as an editor. One does not have to be a musician to recognize that somebody posing as a musician is an imposter, and there is no fault in the non-musician pointing this out. So with editors.

[QUOTE=Bamaman]
You can keep whining all you want while trying to squirm away from the question, and I'm going to keep asking that question.

If you knew Gliebe was a horrible, awful, and such an all around evil person why did you not only put him in charge, but then do NOTHING whatsoever to change things? Afterall according to you Gliebe has done everything short of summoning the dark lord Satan into the WV HQ. So why didn't you do anything other than act like a 4 year old kid taking his ball and running home in tears?

If you'd prefer you can just admit to being a liar/coward and a whiner now and save yourself the trouble. Your pissing and moaning means little when you can't even answer a simple question or back up damn near anything you say with facts (other than you heard from your cousin's brother's uncle's nephew's former roomate he said/she said crap).

Maybe you can come up with some more very witty versions of my name to try to spin the conversation away from your avoidance. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE]
I was the first one to use alternate versions of Gliebe's name like Erich Glib, The Glib One, and Glibbo the Clown, back in August 2003 after Shaun Walker's false slander of Fred was posted on Stormfront.

Your question about why Fred and the other Directors did nothing directly to remove Gliebe is not a new question. It has been discussed. I am sure that you really don't want an answer. Fred has already apologized in other threads for fumbling the ball.

You ought to address Fred Streed in a more respectful tone. Despite his mistakes in the responsiblity that Dr. Pierce put on him, he is no doubt a better man than you.

[QUOTE=Hadding]I was the first one to use alternate versions of Gliebe's name like Erich Glib, The Glib One, and Glibbo the Clown [/QUOTE]
Yeah, well just remember this. I was the first one to put joo, jooz, and jewasite on the internet.

[QUOTE=Paul]Yeah, well just remember this. I was the first one to put joo, jooz, and jewasite on the internet.[/QUOTE]
It does seem that you have a hit on your hands with "jooz."