Anyone have a report on nationalist activity in Greece? What ever happened to the Golden Dawn organization?

Anyone have a report on nationalist activity in Greece? What ever happened to the Golden Dawn organization?

TH:
Never heard of it I'm embarrassed to type, although I've been here for years, but a lead figure in the September 17 movement has been sentenced to numerous life terms at 25 years eachadding to 525 years al2gether. The runner up got significantly less but will himself still do time as a mummy

Hellenic Nationalists link

http://www.hellas.org/

Hellenic Nationalists link

http://www.hellas.org/

Great!
Has anybody got Bulgarian, Serbian, Macedonian etc... links?
My old ones, dated 2 years ago, were never reliable

Heres some Serbian links that might be of interest, plus a Russian one I like:
-http://www.kosovo.com/sk/history/dorich_kosovo/default.htm
- http://www.compuserb.com/english.htm
-http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak01.html
-http://rnebarkashov.ru/main.htm

Heres some Serbian links that might be of interest, plus a Russian one I like:
-http://www.kosovo.com/sk/history/dorich_kosovo/default.htm
- http://www.compuserb.com/english.htm
-http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak01.html
-http://rnebarkashov.ru/main.htm

Here's more:
Bulgarien Über Alles

(Bulgarian Skinhead site, very slow load due to the technical state of the phone lines there. Give it 5 minutes at least to load)

http://free.bol.bg/skinhead/

Blood & Honour Bulgaria

http://www.bhbulgaria.com/index2.htm

Good all-round racist link directory (scroll down to #5 for the start. No Balkan links, unfortunately.)

http://www.burks.de/nazis.html

I would like to hear of the nationalism in Portugal and Spain. Those and Greece are the only West European countries I don't have any information on.

..and websites from the parties themselves, if there are any, aren't of much help. Every party will claim that it is soon about to take over the entire country, and that all other nationalist parties are too extreme, too mainstream or too amateurish.

I would like to hear of the nationalism in Portugal and Spain. Those and Greece are the only West European countries I don't have any information on.

..and websites from the parties themselves, if there are any, aren't of much help. Every party will claim that it is soon about to take over the entire country, and that all other nationalist parties are too extreme, too mainstream or too amateurish.


Below the dotted line is in response to

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=11888#post11888

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Spanish and Portuguese Language Nationalist Sites, along with a few from Greece and Italy

Spain

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/comunidades.html (Links collection, worldwide)

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/jomp/index.html

http://www.libreopinion.com/historia_celta/index2.html
(Mexico?)

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/la_censura/

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/orgulloblanco/ (under construction)

http://www.la-falange.com/nacional/

Portugal

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/ordemlusa/

http://www.libreopinion.com/ptns/

http://welcome.to/portugaldesperta (seems to be a placeholder page only)

http://libreopinion.com/members/temponacional/
(looks like it hasn't been updated in quite a while)

Italy

http://www.msifiammatric.it/

http://www.alleanza-nazionale.it/

http://www.italia-rsi.org/

http://www.mflcalabria.cjb.net/

Greece

http://www.xrushaugh.org/

Argentina

http://www.libreopinion.com/

http://www.libreopinion.com/pnt/

http://www.libreopinion.com/ciudad/redkalki/

http://www.libreopinion.com/pnc/

Brazil

http://www.onacionalista.cjb.net/

http://www.revisionismo.cjb.net/

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/temponacional/

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/whitehonour/

Good worldwide links pages

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/nswelt/links.htm

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/europablanca/links.htm

http://www.mathaba.net/www/nazi/index.shtml

http://www.burks.de/nazis.html


Distribute to all pit bull owning Brits:
http://www.wspa.org.uk/index.php?page=40

Thanks for the links, but I was wondering if someone could give a personal heads-up on it, with personal commentary...as links are no good for getting an overview...and I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese or Greek.

Thanks for the links, but I was wondering if someone could give a personal heads-up on it, with personal commentary...as links are no good for getting an overview...and I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese or Greek.

I posted some links and comments for Spanish Nationalist groups and parties in the "Spain inquiry" thread:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=728
and just posted one for Portugal.

Since when are Greek turkoid wops worthy of attention in a supposedly Aryan forum? I thought this forum was for and about the White race.

Since when are Greek turkoid wops worthy of attention in a supposedly Aryan forum? I thought this forum was for and about the White race.

Then what is an inbred nordic like you doing here? or are you a semitic jew with your negro,asian and white blood trying to pass yourself off as a white man

Since when are Greek turkoid wops worthy of attention in a supposedly Aryan forum? I thought this forum was for and about the White race.

I wouldnt think this bozo is a nordic. dont insult nordics that way. jew troll, ignorant teenager, or white retard looking to boost himself up.

dont take the bait and start quarreling with nords. Whites includes nords and meds.

Since when are Greek turkoid wops worthy of attention in a supposedly Aryan forum? I thought this forum was for and about the White race.

Since when does the opinion of a Nordic Kike like you matter?

Seig Heil!

I wouldnt think this bozo is a nordic. dont insult nordics that way. jew troll, ignorant teenager, or white retard looking to boost himself up.

dont take the bait and start quarreling with nords. Whites includes nords and meds.
How do you like the fact that the Turdks are sitting on 4% of it’s territory located in Europe which was once Greek? Who’s active, if anybody, in contemplating getting it back, no matter by what means necessary?
How do you like the snuffing of the Cypriot question as this invasion by the sub-Humans in 1974 will gradually cease to be illegitimized during bargaining with the EU technocrats?

How do you like the fact that the Turdks are sitting on 4% of it’s territory located in Europe which was once Greek? Who’s active, if anybody, in contemplating getting it back, no matter by what means necessary?
How do you like the snuffing of the Cypriot question as this invasion by the sub-Humans in 1974 will gradually cease to be illegitimized during bargaining with the EU technocrats?

Well Turkenjaeger, I would expect as much from the Eurocrats. The EU is a mixed bag, isnt it? It stifles local identity which is bad, it removes local and national autonomy which again is bad, but it ties Europeans together irrevocably, which could be very very good and in the long run isnt this what Hitler had in mind? Dont forget he took much power away from the Lander and transformed the Reich government into something distinctly un-federal and something very Napoleonic and centralized.

So yes it squelches debate of an injustice, and no I wouldnt want Turks or half breed Turks running around in Europe. Not as much as they do now and not any more. But if this is the price of keeping Turkey OUT of the EU, its worth it.

WHat do you think?

Well Turkenjaeger, I would expect as much from the Eurocrats. The EU is a mixed bag, isnt it? It stifles local identity which is bad, it removes local and national autonomy which again is bad, but it ties Europeans together irrevocably, which could be very very good and in the long run isnt this what Hitler had in mind?

I will keep in mind that you are not a European, so your comment there can be forgiven. But this is equal to saying something like "Why don't you Americans welcome Mexicans? They have Spanish blood in their veins after all" -- bound to seriously piss off those who are actually there and see what the reality is like. Allow me to elaborate:

American nationalists, being far away, often seem to think that yay, this will bring White countries closer to each other, and somehow that will bring about WN feelings. But think about what is actually happening. How are we "brought closer to each other"? Are we all of the sudden taught about European history from a nationalist perspective? Are we told to unite in the name of Whiteness? Hell, no. We are told to unite in the name of globalism.

And how do we "unite"? It's a fancy word, but in the real world it just means this: power is transferred from national parliaments to the European Commission and to the Minister Council. The Minister Council consists of all the governments put together, which means establishment lackeys only, which makes them all very happy-happy. No more listening to those pesky nationalist parties that have managed to get some seats in the national parliaments.

How does this make a guy in Athens more eager to defend, say, Ireland from non-White invasion? It doesn't. It has zip, nada, nothing to do with improving racial awareness.

Power goes to the politicians and the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. So does money. Then all countries fight tooth and nail to get more back from the pool than they put into it. If they succeed, they can get some more votes back home. Real majestic. And who are the most selfish, the most intent on screwing everybody else? The Mediterranean countries -- while Scandinavian countries are the most intent to preserve the fancy declarations the EU started out with: "Let's all work together, let's be unselfish, let's think of what is good for all and not just good for our own country."

It is no coincidence that the Spaniards are among the most reluctant to allow East European countries access to the "union." They simply don't want to share the loot. Now, the East Europeans, they have demonstrated all too well that they will think only of themselves, and will try to be as good parasites off the Germanic back as are the Spaniards. Everybody knows it, but the rulers don't say a damn thing about it, since they know that the #1 purpose with the union is not to cooperate, but to destroy nationalism; specifically any chance of nationalism in the Germanic countries, but in the Romanic ones as well.

A guy who comes from Hungary and now lives in Sweden reports that television debates there, when it comes to the EU, are all about how much money and privileges Hungary can get out of it. To hell with idealism. Selfishness is the name of their game. They care not one bit about making the pie larger through unselfish cooperation -- like the representatives from the Roman provinces of old, they care only about grabbing as much from the existing pie as they can. And millions of the East Europeans can't wait to get a chance to move to Western Europe, knowing that Germanics are richer, more generous, and yes, far better looking. Much like Arabs and Blacks they can't wait to get a piece of that.

In short, the EU causes strife with every step it takes. It has never worked well and never will. It sets us all up for serious conflicts in the future, conflicts that have already started on a small scale. Strong fences make good neighbors, but the EU is tearing down the fences. Do I get all pan-Aryany if the government forces me to allow a foreign family into my house, and forces me to give my money to them? Hell, no. And it is no different when the same thing happens on an even larger scale.

As for the German Reich, it was bound to cause the different peoples in it to hate each other, precisely because they had to share power. It would have been much better if, when Britain had halted its aggression, the Reich would have installed nationalist parties in the occupied countries and then left. Not that they would have done that though, no conqueror would.

Did you know that the great George Lincoln Rockwell was gunned down by a fucking serpentine GREEK, working hand in hand with the eternal JEW?

Did you know that the great George Lincoln Rockwell was gunned down by a fucking serpentine GREEK, working hand in hand with the eternal JEW?

Yes dipshit it is a fact that John Patler/ Patsalos was convicted of the murder of GLR. However, who or why he did it is a question as is the whether or not he actually acted alone. Some questions were raised in the recent biography of GLR.

According to Metzger he is out of the clink and walking about freely with his head on his shoulders. If NORDIC TITAN is such a wise macho dude, why dont you go help him with this problem? It would give you something to do other than talk shit from cyberspace.

You know, if we were to add up how many NORDICS had collaborated with the Jews both in the US and in Europe in the postwar period, I'll bet we'd find plenty more of them in the Jew-bag than Greeks. Such as your Nordic Schindler or your Nordic Raoul Wallenberg or how about every Turk-loving West German chancellor ever since? Or how about one Ingo Hasselbach? I ought to start a list for your edumacation.

Crawl on back to Jotunheim "Titan."

I will keep in mind that you are not a European, so your comment there can be forgiven. But this is equal to saying something like "Why don't you Americans welcome Mexicans? They have Spanish blood in their veins after all" -- bound to seriously piss off those who are actually there and see what the reality is like. Allow me to elaborate:

American nationalists, being far away, often seem to think that yay, this will bring White countries closer to each other, and somehow that will bring about WN feelings. But think about what is actually happening. How are we "brought closer to each other"? Are we all of the sudden taught about European history from a nationalist perspective? Are we told to unite in the name of Whiteness? Hell, no. We are told to unite in the name of globalism.

And how do we "unite"? It's a fancy word, but in the real world it just means this: power is transferred from national parliaments to the European Commission and to the Minister Council. The Minister Council consists of all the governments put together, which means establishment lackeys only, which makes them all very happy-happy. No more listening to those pesky nationalist parties that have managed to get some seats in the national parliaments.

How does this make a guy in Athens more eager to defend, say, Ireland from non-White invasion? It doesn't. It has zip, nada, nothing to do with improving racial awareness.

Power goes to the politicians and the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. So does money. Then all countries fight tooth and nail to get more back from the pool than they put into it. If they succeed, they can get some more votes back home. Real majestic. And who are the most selfish, the most intent on screwing everybody else? The Mediterranean countries -- while Scandinavian countries are the most intent to preserve the fancy declarations the EU started out with: "Let's all work together, let's be unselfish, let's think of what is good for all and not just good for our own country."

It is no coincidence that the Spaniards are among the most reluctant to allow East European countries access to the "union." They simply don't want to share the loot. Now, the East Europeans, they have demonstrated all too well that they will think only of themselves, and will try to be as good parasites off the Germanic back as are the Spaniards. Everybody knows it, but the rulers don't say a damn thing about it, since they know that the #1 purpose with the union is not to cooperate, but to destroy nationalism; specifically any chance of nationalism in the Germanic countries, but in the Romanic ones as well.

A guy who comes from Hungary and now lives in Sweden reports that television debates there, when it comes to the EU, are all about how much money and privileges Hungary can get out of it. To hell with idealism. Selfishness is the name of their game. They care not one bit about making the pie larger through unselfish cooperation -- like the representatives from the Roman provinces of old, they care only about grabbing as much from the existing pie as they can. And millions of the East Europeans can't wait to get a chance to move to Western Europe, knowing that Germanics are richer, more generous, and yes, far better looking. Much like Arabs and Blacks they can't wait to get a piece of that.

In short, the EU causes strife with every step it takes. It has never worked well and never will. It sets us all up for serious conflicts in the future, conflicts that have already started on a small scale. Strong fences make good neighbors, but the EU is tearing down the fences. Do I get all pan-Aryany if the government forces me to allow a foreign family into my house, and forces me to give my money to them? Hell, no. And it is no different when the same thing happens on an even larger scale.

As for the German Reich, it was bound to cause the different peoples in it to hate each other, precisely because they had to share power. It would have been much better if, when Britain had halted its aggression, the Reich would have installed nationalist parties in the occupied countries and then left. Not that they would have done that though, no conqueror would.

Thanks to Mr Fred for a good run down of the problem. I am mindful of his previous comments and I was when I raised the question earlier. I hoped he would represent this perspective and so he has.

I think on the balance I am engaging in wishful thinking hoping that something good will come out of the EU. It smells bad to me precisely because I am an American though, an American with an understanding of our system as intended: a Germanic federation. This is the great gift of Germany to politics, and it is federation. Federation means that there are two sovereigns whose authority is concurrent, but operating in different spheres: one local, and the other national. In the US, the central government has limited powers intended to be confined to mostly economic matters, and the state governments powers were considered plenary in nature, meaning like the crown or unlimited, subject only to their own constitutions. Of course that is much of what the civil war was about and since then the Jews have tossed that aside in the US since the 1930s. BUt I digress. The idea of federalism finds its roots in the feudal system developed under the German Holy Roman Empire. Today's federalism is a modern and inferior imitation of this but legitimate if executed genuinely. In theology, the idea is exemplified by the Roman Church, which provides uniformity in some matters, and tolerates and indeed encourages "subsidiarity" ie local governance and difference in others. Contrary to this tradition, you have the Roman Imperial tradition, which annihalates local differences in favor of economic and political stability. I take Napoleon to be the rightful heir of this tradition and provide as further evidence his establishment or re-establishment of the Justinian Code as the basis for Continental law-- which remains the case everywhere outside the AngloSaxon world. Napoleon's centralized government seems to me to be much more the tendency of the NS government than any traditional German federalism. That I consider one of the necessary evils of the Reich government as it was consituted, but an evil nonetheless. Lander ie the regional German political subdividison lost much local autonomy under the NS government and often the process looked to many particularly Catholics in Bavaria like a continuation of the Bismarkian-Prussian kulturkampf. Or so I have been told.

However I believe that WN must acknowledge and appreciate that we are a continuity of White tradition which encourages and tolerates local difference. We should respect White ethnic and national differences. Swedes should govern Sweden and Spaniards govern Spain. Switzerland can be taken as a wonderful example of the benefits of federalism or confederation. Linder made a few excellent comments just on this topic the other day.

But if there are matters which can be resolved and made uniform for the common good of all, then that should be explored. Does Mr Fred think it is possible that an EU limited to common currency, but kept out of domestic social policy, would be a good thing as a whole?

However I believe that WN must acknowledge and appreciate that we are a continuity of White tradition which encourages and tolerates local difference. We should respect White ethnic and national differences. Swedes should govern Sweden and Spaniards govern Spain. Switzerland can be taken as a wonderful example of the benefits of federalism or confederation. Linder made a few excellent comments just on this topic the other day.

But if there are matters which can be resolved and made uniform for the common good of all, then that should be explored. Does Mr Fred think it is possible that an EU limited to common currency, but kept out of domestic social policy, would be a good thing as a whole?

There is no reason of any kind to have a common currency, and the sole purpose of that creation is to soften people up psychologically for more destruction of the nation state. "Stop whining about losing your 'rights,' we even have a common currency now, so we're practically all one country already. Resistance is futile! Stand by to be assimilated!"

We have no matters that we need to make uniform for all European countries. The only positive thing with the EU is that common rules for certain products, such as how much fruit there must be in a jar of jam, has made it possible to increase trade between the member states. This was already accomplished with the European Economic Community, and it pales in comparison to the destruction the EU has wrought. The EU has, for example, forbidden its member states to reinstitute the death penalty, and it forbids them from protecting themselves through a serious immigration policy. This is why the establishment loves to transfer more power to the Minister Council, which is the legislative branch, and the unelected European Commission, which is the executive branch. The EU has also blackmailed countries like Lichtenstein, telling them that they will be starved through a trade block if they don't increase their taxes so that wealthy EU citizens will stay away from them. And I think we all remember what the EU did to the Austrians when they dared vote for a nationalist party; it is only a small sign of what will happen to any country that actually tries to save its White people.

Loyalty to a technocratic super-state; what idea could be more "NWO"? A government needs to represent one people only: ett land, ett folk. There are those anti-Whites who already speak openly about bringing in North African countries, and West Asian ones, showing their true intentions. These intentions will become a reality without nationalist intervention, since the EU is always slowly but steadily moving in an ever more anti-White direction. Nothing anti-White must be questioned directly in the EU swimming pool, and so nothing anti-White is ever defeated.

However, race and national identity being realities, the EU will inevitably keep meeting resistance no matter how united the elites are in promoting it. This article, Enlargement could spell the end of the EU (http://iht.com/articles/124970.html), almost hits the mark. It mentions the currency, the inevitable future "constitution" that will simply be a mix of the politically correct policies of today, and the eastward expansion as factors that will lead to the EU's future breakup. Very few people are passionate about the EU; those who support it do so out of greed and because of the anti-White doctrines demanded by the ZOG. More and more people are passionately against the EU, however, and in the end politicians will realize that they have little to gain in their next election by being for the EU, and much to gain by being against it. Already the Italian prime minister is saying that it would have been better for Italy to have stayed out of the EMU, and if there would have been EU referendums held today, most West European countries would not remain in the union.

Well Turkenjaeger, I would expect as much from the Eurocrats. The EU is a mixed bag, isnt it? It stifles local identity which is bad, it removes local and national autonomy which again is bad, but it ties Europeans together irrevocably, which could be very very good and in the long run isnt this what Hitler had in mind? Dont forget he took much power away from the Lander and transformed the Reich government into something distinctly un-federal and something very Napoleonic and centralized.

So yes it squelches debate of an injustice, and no I wouldnt want Turks or half breed Turks running around in Europe. Not as much as they do now and not any more. But if this is the price of keeping Turkey OUT of the EU, its worth it.

WHat do you think?
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Well Turkenjaeger, I would expect as much from the Eurocrats. The EU is a mixed bag, isnt it? It stifles local identity which is bad, it removes local and national autonomy which again is bad,
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Unfortunately, positive identity traits get stifled along with the negative.This euphoric pipe dream of combining naïve societies with decadent ones was the greatest misconception. The 3 main groups: Latin, Slav, and Germanic should have been kept at a certain distance from one another economically, but closer together on issues of defence, human rights and the environment. Upon proving successful in co-operation on the aforementioned points, economic joining and a common currencey could begin, the latter an adoption of an already successful currencey. It is in nobodies interest in creating a cultural melting pot. Every nations originality and retainment of language and traditions must be respected. A common second language would be appropriate, in my view.
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but it ties Europeans together irrevocably, which could be very very good and in the long run isnt this what Hitler had in mind?
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I think Hitler wanted to re-arrange Europe around Germanic interests at the same time respecting Western European nations’ diverse existences. Who knows how it would have developed, if Hitler had gained the upper hand, instead? His idea of an Aryan race left no room for those who didn’t fit into a certain color and physical category, including himself whom I’m sure he would have sacrificed, had the time arrived. But this Aryanization was planned for Germanic and conquered Slavic territory. I don’t think that he intended on exterminating French and Italian peoples.
The inclusion of Asian nations into a non-Asian EU is certainly not acceptable. The US government is pushing for acceptance of Turkey into the EU. Equally unacceptable is the Trojan Horse filled with non-Europeans.
Slavs have traditionally brawled with one another allowing the Ottoman Turks a chance at invading. If Europe would at least agree on the Turkish and Gypsie problem, there is nothing that the UN or Nato could do about it. A swift and ruthless purging of these aliens would be my policy

The 3 main groups: Latin, Slav, and Germanic should have been kept at a certain distance from one another economically, but closer together on issues of defence, human rights and the environment. Upon proving successful in co-operation on the aforementioned points, economic joining and a common currencey could begin, the latter an adoption of an already successful currencey. It is in nobodies interest in creating a cultural melting pot.

Why? Why have cooperation on issues of defense, human rights and the environment? What good would it do? And why economic joining? Why a common currency? What good can that possibly do? The common currency must be the most idiotic idea the EU has ever had; there is absolutely no reason for it other than to destroy people's sense of national identity. Coins were the first mass produced propaganda tool, as I am sure the ZOG is well aware.

The only thing I can imagine cooperation on is to throw out the dark races, but that doesn't take more cooperation than this:
"Hey Louis, let's throw out the dark races."
"Yes, Karl, I agree."
Doesn't require any multi-billion projects in Brussels.

Any international organization will try to get more and more power, and it will get it. Eventually you end up with a Lincoln killing those who want to leave the super-state asylum. There is no use saying "We can cooperate on these things at least," unless you desire an end result where you all bow down to the same dictator.

Nice debate. Mr Fred makes compelling arguments.

But I think the viewpoint is stronger in some areas than others. Environment deals with toxic effluvium that spills over national borders, and serial resources such as rivers and air that are sometimes befouled by users upstream. So I think that environment, as well as "weights and measures" which I think corresponds to the uniformity of consumer goods example Mr Fred gave, will always lend themselves to multinational cooperation. Beyond that, European continental defence jumps out as a natural point for strong cooperation even to the point of surrendering sovereignity.

Finally, in spite of everything else, and in spite of Eurocrats probable hopes to the contrary, I think the strong European labor unions may find common ground against non-White immigration. This hasnt happened in the US but our labor unions are weak compared to typical European ones, and have long been controlled by the Jews via mafia muscle. Jews being and always having been the brains of the mafia, of course. But again that is pure speculation on my part. I know very little about unionism in Europe.

On the balance I find myself strongly persuaded by Fred on this topic. Thanks to all for elaborating.

hanks to all for elaborating.
I wish to devert your attention, for a moment, to an old posting in which you referred to "conservative Catholics". Did you imply Russian-greek Orthodox Christians or a splinter Catholic sect roughly equivalent to Pentacostal Protestants?

There is no reason of any kind to have a common currency, and the sole purpose of that creation is to soften people up psychologically
..........................................union.
Tonight, I have time to only answer 1/3 of your interesting reply, but I am making it a point of answering the rest later.
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There is no reason of any kind to have a common currency, and the sole purpose of that creation is to soften people up psychologically for more destruction of the nation state.
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This is true if you refer to the EURO. But, there are practical reasons for even the world (hypothetically) to be using 1 value unit to exchange for gööds and services. I view a currencey as I view a tool. Example: A 14mm socket wrench can only be produced 1 way and nobody stops to call this socket wrench into question because of it’s origin of patent, even though this tool is used wörld-wide. A rotary lawn mower or chain saw are other examples.
A better example may be to mention the practise of using precious metals as a form of exchange or at least backing a local currencey as such. If Europe were to use only either the Deutsche Mark, Swiss Frank or British Sterling, what would be wrong with that? One could buy products and services without having to change currenceys be4 crossing borders. Do you think that the US would have a strong economy if each of the 50 states had their own individual currencey?

I wish to devert your attention, for a moment, to an old posting in which you referred to "conservative Catholics". Did you imply Russian-greek Orthodox Christians or a splinter Catholic sect roughly equivalent to Pentacostal Protestants?

Good question. I do not equate Orthodox and Catholic with Pentacostals or Protestants in general. I view Orthodox and Catholic and even Anglicans as manifestations of "Tradition" (in the sense the term was used by Julius Evola) in European Christianity, however degraded these forms may be. That is why I call them conservative, because in my view they have conserved some very basic truths about human nature and social community and enshrined those truths in their rituals and hierarchical forms.

Because Protestantism generally rejects hierarchy, authority, and ritual, I consider Protestantism completely degraded and that is why in my opinion they have been easier prey for the Jews. Furthermore, Protestants obsessively focus on "justification by faith." WHatever that means. In practice I found it meant that I couldnt stand being in a Protestant church because I didnt belief in God and I hated faking it. Whereas, in more traditional forms of Christian worship, the focus is not turned inward but outwards toward the community. So one's own non-belief in the miraculous is a non-issue.

The difference between "holly roller" Protestants (an American vernacular word for your Pentecostals) and "mainstream" protestants is irrelevant to me both practically and theologically. Both suffer from deficient rituals and inadequate structures and bizarre theologies. Holly rollers are often Christian dispensationalists, ie, Jew-worshipping Zionists, and "mainstreamers" such as Presbyterians or whatever are usually the "civil rights" anti-racist liberal types. I have no truck with either. At least in a traditional Greek Orthodox or Catholic church, one is generally not flagellated with either monkey-loving crapola and Zionist suckpoopery (to use a Linderism). Finally, again, the community oriented focus and the physical ritual allow me to reflect privately on my own "communion of the saints" which is not unlike what some people would call "ancestor worship" with my ancestors and the Aryan heroes of yore as the Saints.

I adore European myth and legend, and I have often argued here that we have made the myths of Christ our own as much as Baldur or Dionysus, even though the origins of Christianity are largely non-Aryan. Fifteen hundred years of Christianity requires more consideration than dismissing it simplistically as a Jew cult or hocus pocus hogwash. I've done both in the past and today I allow myself a more organic treatment of the question.

Enough said?

I've came up with the other 2/3 Führer. Looks like you'll have to get up a little earlier :D
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Why? Why have cooperation on issues of defense?
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To keep the ZOG/US,ZOG/NATO and ZOG/United Haitians, duh, I meant United Nations at bay if threats are made to intervene when the Darkies are in the process of being removed from Europe’s surface

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human rights?

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Police brutality and civil servant abuse is embarrassing for a model White society

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and the environment?

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We don’t want a neighbor country polluting another country or itself.
Co-operation on the high seas is important in keeping intruders from fishing or flushing their waste oil into the sea causing oil slicks and similar malaise. A common European navy poses a larger threat than national navies. Under the threat of vessel sinking and public execution of captain and/or crew and captain, an effective deterent would be created. If a European fleet sinks a Japamonkey whaling ship, Nipland would be in less of a position to consider a serious attempt at retaliating in fear of getting depopulated, the fear being justified under the pending circumstances

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The only thing I can imagine cooperation on is to throw out the dark races, but that doesn't take more cooperation than this:"Hey Louis, let's throw out the dark races.""Yes, Karl, I agree."Doesn't require any multi-billion projects in Brussels.

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I’d love nothing better, but how do you vision ariving at that point overnight? Brussels would have to serve as the theater of public executions. The old guard will have to deliver an example to the public, through offering their lives for the crimes that they have perpetrated. Every generation needs a culling. The next one is long overdue. I find the idea of a united darkie-free Europe not bad as long as the appropriate safeguards are to be anchored into a thorough constitution in a way which prevents malevolent entities from influencing Europe’s agenda, installs a “Check and Balance” system and gives referendum powers to all citizens

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…. and it pales in comparison to the destruction the EU has wrought. The EU has, for example, forbidden its member states to reinstitute the death penalty, and it forbids them from protecting themselves through a serious immigration policy. This is why the establishment loves to transfer more power to the Minister Council, which is the legislative branch, and the unelected European Commission, which is the executive branch. The EU has also blackmailed countries like Lichtenstein, telling them that they will be starved through a trade block if they don't increase their taxes so that wealthy EU citizens will stay away from them. And I think we all remember what the EU did to the Austrians when they dared vote for a nationalist party; it is only a small sign of what will happen to any country that actually tries to save its White people.

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Yes, the establishment will always try to protect their own interests. Furthermore, that’s why they try like Hell to include ever more countries (especially poor ones including one 3rd world nation outside of Europe) into the Union in order to further erode individual national sovreignity. Is it any surprise that Norway,Iceland and Switzerland are presently avoiding joining? Look what they’ve done to Serbia for attempting taking avant garde measures of de-darking their society

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Loyalty to a technocratic super-state; what idea could be more "NWO"? A government needs to represent one people only: ett land, ett folk. There are those anti-Whites who already speak openly about bringing in North African countries, and West Asian ones, showing their true intentions. These intentions will become a reality without nationalist intervention, since the EU is always slowly but steadily moving in an ever more anti-White direction. Nothing anti-White must be questioned directly in the EU swimming pool, and so nothing anti-White is ever defeated.

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It’s only to get pro-Whites into power. Paradoxically, they would make better United Europeans than any predecessor. To achieve these goals, which you’ve stated, Europe must become a ferocious super power in order to balance the other 3. There are good brains here, thus sophisticated weaponry manufacturing could be encouraged

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However, race and national identity being realities, the EU will inevitably keep meeting resistance no matter how united the elites are in promoting it. This article, Enlargement could spell the end of the EU, almost hits the mark. It mentions the currency, the inevitable future "constitution" that will simply be a mix of the politically correct policies of today, and the eastward expansion as factors that will lead to the EU's future breakup. Very few people are passionate about the EU; those who support it do so out of greed and because of the anti-White doctrines demanded by the ZOG. More and more people are passionately against the EU, however, and in the end politicians will realize that they have little to gain in their next election by being for the EU, and much to gain by being against it.

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Notice how Poland is now behaving. They are not yet officially in and have already started exercising their bargaining power to its full extent. The EU Commission has voted themselves a salary increase which sums up to approximately 9000 EUROs per month. Poland’s commission representative complained that the increase was justified because he had to endure the hardship of living in (modern) Brussels instead of (post-communist) Warsaw. The poor guy. He will end up in the best position, because the cost of living in Poland is of the lowest in the expanded Union

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Already the Italian prime minister is saying that it would have been better for Italy to have stayed out of the EMU, and if there would have been EU referendums held today, most West European countries would not remain in the union.
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Wouldn’t it have been better for the EMU if Italy were to have stayed out?

Good question. ................................................myself a more organic treatment of the question.

Enough said?
Co-incidently, this difference which you mention is appearant also in the collective behavior of societies which have traditionally had these religions ingrained. Protestant (Sweden, Germany…) societies tend to be populated with individualistic folk and Catholic – (Spain, Italy) with family oriented collective types.
Greeks and Slavs that share basically the same faith seem to differ from another, in this respect.

How difficult is it for a nation to leave the EU? If a nation held a refferendum on leaving the EU and the overwhelming majority voted yes, would that be enough?
No wonder they never pose the question. Germany would opt out in a minute. It's only the poor countries who want to distribute poverty

I just came by to turn out the lights. :confused:

How difficult is it for a nation to leave the EU? If a nation held a refferendum on leaving the EU and the overwhelming majority voted yes, would that be enough?

The EU does not have a clause that allows for a country to leave. (The No sides in the referendums in the nineties made sure people knew this) Some have said that there would be such a clause in the new "constitution," but the other countries would then get to decide the terms and conditions for the defection, which would enable them to do their best to ruin the defector.

A country would probably be allowed to leave after a referendum today, but it would probably take many years to make it happen, and the cost would be big for that country.

Of course, it would be an enormous blow to the anti-nationalists, a blow that would cripple many an EU project and no doubt encourage many other countries to follow suit. The EU would never be the same; one must keep in mind that already all the passion has gone out of the pro-EU side, and all you hear about the Union is trouble, trouble and trouble.

Then again, North American states took it for granted that they could leave any time they wanted, but they ran into a psychopatic Lincoln who turned the United States into a tyranny.


As for the question whether I think the American states would be better off with separate currencies: the comparison is useless. The US is one country, but Western Europe is not.

Co-incidently, this difference which you mention is appearant also in the collective behavior of societies which have traditionally had these religions ingrained. Protestant (Sweden, Germany…) societies tend to be populated with individualistic folk and Catholic – (Spain, Italy) with family oriented collective types.
Greeks and Slavs that share basically the same faith seem to differ from another, in this respect.

interesting observation. I'll agree to that set of generalizations, along with Greece as the exception. Greeks are famously individualistic. However they are also famously alike. They dont like to be told that however.

It's notable that until recently, Greeks continued to consider the Roman church schismatic and in the absence of a Greek Orthodox church, Greeks were directed by the hierarchy to seek out an Anglican ie English Catholic church for communian and not a Roman one.

Slavic nations I would squarely put in the collective family oriented column regardless of their adherence to Orthodoxy or Catholicism.

As a White American, I find individualism over-rated. It's now a sort of kosher cult not unlike "democracy." Or "capitalism." Jews have a word for these sorts of empty slogans: "shibboleths." These empty slogans largely serve to atomize us at a time when social cohesion is all but gone in favor of mindless consumerism and slavish adherence to Jew-friendly social patterns. I think the family, as traditionally understood in the west, is and remains one of the last bulwarks against Jew-culture-destruction, and they're working on that one too as hard as they can with "civil unions" ie faggot "marriage."

Good points on individualism. I will add a thought: Germanics are more individualistic than others, as we all know, but I wonder if that couldn't have something to do with a stronger sense of justice, instead of some other personality trait. Germanic countries have simply had less corruption, and more fair play, than the rest of the world. While the Chinese or Arabs or Russians had to seek protection among the family or clan, Germanics knew they were protected by the law, and so needed the family less than others.

These strong laws made sure private enterprise could grow without fear of being robbed by the state, and so Germanic countries have prospered ... but at the same time, we have become more vulnerable. Why not let the dark races in, people say ... after all, we are all protected by our good laws, as we always have been. Trust the law.

If you want check this web site of the Hellenic N.S. org G.D. :

www.xrushaugh.org
Unfortunetely is only in Greek.
P.S i'm member of this org!!!!!!

Anyone have a report on nationalist activity in Greece? What ever happened to the Golden Dawn organization?
I' m member of that org if you want communicate with me!!!!!

I' m member of that org if you want communicate with me!!!!!

Why dont you tell the forum about it for our information, please, parakalo? What activities does this organization undertake?

Portugal

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/ordemlusa/

http://www.libreopinion.com/ptns/

http://welcome.to/portugaldesperta (seems to be a placeholder page only)

http://libreopinion.com/members/temponacional/
(looks like it hasn't been updated in quite a while)



Greetings,

Well from urls you posted here the only organization that is still active is PTNS (libreopinion.com/ptns). "ordem lusa" and "Portugal desperta" do not exists anymore. The other one "Tempo Nacional" nobody ever heard about it, probably is just one single person with a site.
:rolleyes: