uh, gee, let's see, um, uh... A lot of neo pagans name their cats and dogs wotan...and uh, gee, I guess that is about it!

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Well America has become degenerate and sunk in just over two hundred years and has been a big murder of the white race and has been the head pusher of the one world order. That is what happens when you get a nation built on jewish ideas. The Nazis where the example of a nation built on the Wotan archtype and the new order could not have that.[/QUOTE]

Did the Nazis get money from Americans? Why?

SAMPLE LETTER

Dear Abzug Hoffman:

I am writing to protest the fact that the Texas Department of Criminal Justice has banned the study and use of the Runes for adherents of the holy faith known variously as Asatru, Odinism and Wotanism.

I am an adherent of this ancient faith, and must communicate to you that the study and use of the runes is a vital part of our living religion today, as it was for our ancestors.To deny an adherent access to information regarding the runes, as well as the runes themselves, is a violation of the law, on several levels.The United States Constitution guarantees such rights under the first (Religious Freedoms) and fourteenth amendments (Equal Protection under the law), as well as in the Bill of Rights.
Pagan Pastoral Outreach (http://www.paganpastoraloutreach.ca/prison/news.htm) :p


National and International Organizations
http://www.irminsul.org/aw/aworg.html

Vinlandic Heathen Front (http://www.heathenfront.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=55) - General/U.S.

Odinist.com Forums (http://www.odinist.com/forum/)

and finally,
Wotan Machine Tools North America
P.O. Box 216
Dayton, OH, USA 45301

Runes - file with horoscopes and other devo things the jews let us have to waste our time on this planet earth.

You left out what little crucial bit of information -

Officials at TDCJ have banned the runes, stating that they are gang-related and attached to hate groups, used for "secret codes" and communications between gang members...

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Did the Americans knife the Nazis with a trade embargo? And then murder them by the millions and give massive free aid to the Soviet Union? Why?[/QUOTE]


I was reading last night about the Thule Society, supposedly 7 of the 16 founding members were jews. Considering that the Holyhoax seems to have been one big staged hate crime, and that Jews were in fact let to live, and serve the Nazis, and the Jews came out on top...I'm beginning to wonder if the Nazis were just one more false flag ZOG operation.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]I was reading last night about the Thule Society, supposedly 7 of the 16 founding members were jews. Considering that the Holyhoax seems to have been one big staged hate crime, and that Jews were in fact let to live, and serve the Nazis, and the Jews came out on top...I'm beginning to wonder if the Nazis were just one more false flag ZOG operation.[/QUOTE]


hmm. more cryptocracy. are you Michael Hoffman?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]hmm. more cryptocracy. are you Michael Hoffman?[/QUOTE]


No, I'm not. But so far not one "official" thing I have read about WWII makes sense, which is just the same as 9/11, which I do believe was completely pulled off by the jews for the jews. And it is well known the only people to benefit from WWI were the Jews. So it all fits a pattern.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]uh, gee, let's see, um, uh... A lot of neo pagans name their cats and dogs wotan...and uh, gee, I guess that is about it![/QUOTE]


[COLOR=Blue]Why dont you suck your yiddishe mamas tits and fuck off back to Israel you kike bastard.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Well America has become degenerate and sunk in just over two hundred years and has been a big murder of the white race and has been the head pusher of the one world order. That is what happens when you get a nation built on jewish ideas. The Nazis where the example of a nation built on the Wotan archtype and the new order could not have that.[/QUOTE]



Well, if the Nazis were built on this false God, or Idol or whatever you call it, wouldn't this being have been able to save Nazi Germany if it had any real power?

Whether you believe in Jebus or Wotan, you have to realize that your "god" does not alter scientific laws or human history. That is ours.

Religion finds its power in inspiration or distraction, not in actual acts. That is for humans.




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Whether you believe in Jebus or Wotan, you have to realize that your "god" does not alter scientific laws or human history. That is ours.

Religion finds its power in inspiration or distraction, not in actual acts. That is for humans.

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Science still can't explain gravity. Hah! They can't even explain Stonehenge or Machu Pichu. Scientists don't know everything. You are just talking nonsense.

Seems like every world leader ever says that religion is the best tool they have, but the people on this board know better!

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]Science still can't explain gravity. Hah! They can't even explain Stonehenge or Machu Pichu. Scientists don't know everything. You are just talking nonsense.

Seems like every world leader ever says that religion is the best tool they have, but the people on this board know better![/QUOTE]

Gravity is simply a force emitted by EVERY object. It's proportional to the mass that object has. Even two grains of sands 50 billion miles away are being drawn together by gravity.

The world is governed by logic. There are no "interventions".




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Gravity is simply a force emitted by EVERY object. It's proportional to the mass that object has. Even two grains of sands 50 billion miles away are being drawn together by gravity.

The world is governed by logic. There are no "interventions".

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Atheists have had so many good countries I really can't count them.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Whether you believe in Jebus or Wotan, you have to realize that your "god" does not alter scientific laws or human history. That is ours.

Religion finds its power in inspiration or distraction, not in actual acts. That is for humans.




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[COLOR=Blue]Man can "alter scientific laws"? Care to elaborate? As far as "altering human history" is concerned how can you alter that which has happened or is yet to happen?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]Man can "alter scientific laws"? Care to elaborate? As far as "altering human history" is concerned how can you alter that which has happened or is yet to happen?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

You're taking me too literally. What I mean is that only humans have the power to change their destiny or the world around them, not "god".



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[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]Science still can't explain gravity. Hah! They can't even explain Stonehenge or Machu Pichu. Scientists don't know everything. You are just talking nonsense.

Seems like every world leader ever says that religion is the best tool they have, but the people on this board know better![/QUOTE]

Uh, actually Newton laid it all out pretty clearly in his universal law of gravitation (physics) which states: any two bodies attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. There you have it. White man defines the law of gravity. Scientists have been using this law for centuries now. It has held up quite nicely.

Try not to turn science into semantics.

As for Stonehenge and Machu Picchu, those are strictly matters of archaelogy, which is, I grant you, a science, albeit a more hazy one, since it deals with things which happened long ago.

Stonehenge can be explained. Ancient tribes created a massive marker of the seasons/sundial using huge stones dragged on rolling logs from far away and then tilted these stones into holes. They were then manipulated through man and horse power into the mystical arrangement we see today.

Stonehenge Explained (http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/Stonehenge/)

Machu Picchu was created by many thousands of slaves and workers lugging stones onto a high mountaintop in the Andes of Peru, which they then arranged into a high altitude town at the behest of the big chief.

Machu Picchu Explained (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/latinamerica/south/sites/machu_picchu.html)

Yes, the people on this board do know better. But alas, we shant never be "world leaders" who get their picture taken in the media and get to sign lots of laws into being and go to lots of meetings. I mean if Bush is a "world leader" to you, just where is it he's leading you?

Science is based on observable facts and verifiable evidence. Religion is based on faith and words and fairy tales and other mumbo jumbo. To put it simply.

Here, have a cyber bitch slap.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You're taking me too literally. What I mean is that only humans have the power to change their destiny or the world around them, not "god".



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[COLOR=Blue]No grasshopper we dont, that is the preserve of the norns. But you being a half breed would not be able to understand that as your blood has been soiled.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]No grasshopper we dont, that is the preserve of the norns. But you being a half breed would not be able to understand that as your blood has been soiled.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

What does my race have to do with this theological debate?

I find it amusing you are guilty of some of the same thing you accuse Christians of doing. Humans are responsible for their own fate and the course of history, not Jesus or God or Odin.





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[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]Did the Nazis get money from Americans? Why?[/QUOTE]

Here's what one of your own jews said about the Bush Family.


"The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich."
-John Loftus, former US Justice Dept. Nazi War Crimes investigator and President of the Florida Holocaust Museum

Certain Americans got loads of plunder from their relations, most notably among these is a former and the current president.

More on the Bush Family Nazi Connection here:

http://www.tupbiosystems.com/articles/bush_nazi.html

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]What does my race have to do with this theological debate?

[COLOR=Blue]Enima it has everything to do with theology. As you are a Mischling with watered down and tainted blood you cannot possibly understand the significance of our Weltanschauung.Valhalla is closed to you. Odin has not, will not and cannot call you for our religion is a religion of the blood, of racial archetypes dormant in the Collective Racial Unconscious. An Odinist recognises that he is a creature of wyrd, of the norns and the only thing that is within his control is how he deals with what the norns have dealt out to him.[/COLOR]

These norns of yours, they live in Hoboken?

[QUOTE=Nordblod]These norns of yours, they live in Hoboken?[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]You know them too? Love the avatar! Cute![/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]
Enima it has everything to do with theology. As you are a Mischling with watered down and tainted blood you cannot possibly understand the significance of our Weltanschauung.Valhalla is closed to you. Odin has not, will not and cannot call you for our religion is a religion of the blood, of racial archetypes dormant in the Collective Racial Unconscious. An Odinist recognises that he is a creature of wyrd, of the norns and the only thing that is within his control is how he deals with what the norns have dealt out to him.[/QUOTE]

Uh huh. I suggest you do some reading up on evolutionary history or anthropology. No race "came from the sky" or is spawned from "purity". Over 100,000 years ago your ancestors were dark.

But that wasn't my point. My point was:

Humans are responsible for their own fate and the course of history, not Jesus or God or Odin.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Uh huh. I suggest you do some reading up on evolutionary history or anthropology. No race "came from the sky" or is spawned from "purity". Over 100,000 years ago your ancestors were dark.

[COLOR=Blue]Yours probably fucking were chink but mine are Aryan and pure.[/COLOR]

But that wasn't my point. My point was:

Humans are responsible for their own fate and the course of history, not Jesus or God or Odin.



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[COLOR=Blue]As I said slit eyes you are not qualified to comment. Why dont you do what the angry woman from hell told you to do and fuck off back to the orient. This is a WHITE Nationalist web site and you dont fit the bill chink.[/COLOR]

Wotanism is essentially harmony with nature and the natural order of things. Tolkien's many fantasy works had much basis in the Nordic Myths and Legends. Have you read some of Tolkien's works?

He deals with the real world: mortality, nature, the sky, the sun, the seasons, the forms of water, the animal world, the stars, nature's many wonders, the beauty of women, the power of men, the weather, the infinite cycles, the rivers, good food, the forests, good drink, the clouds, love, hate, beauty, ugliness, creature comforts, the turf beneath the foot, etc. All the things of the green places in the world. The Earth for Odinsake!

Not some pie in the sky promise of an eternal afterlife if you just accept Jesus into your heart and get dipped.

I'm not going to get all mystical on you but the Wotanist belief system is the healthiest one out there for racially aware white folks. There is a natural order of things which whites would be much better off believing. Nature has laws and bounds that are above any tales of dead jewish carpenters and the jew books that prove it happened. I find the fantasy of the Silmarillion to be much more enjoyable and pro-white than the fantasy of the bible, which originated in an area where the only whites were inside Roman garrisons.

Taking wotanism literally is akin to taking the bible literally. The question is which one is based in the reality of a European landscape and experience and which one is not?

[QUOTE=Bragi]Wotanism is essentially harmony with nature and the natural order of things. Tolkien's many fantasy works had much basis in the Nordic Myths and Legends. Have you read some of Tolkien's works?

He deals with the real world: mortality, nature, the sky, the sun, the seasons, the forms of water, the animal world, the stars, nature's many wonders, the beauty of women, the power of men, the weather, the infinite cycles, the rivers, good food, the forests, good drink, the clouds, love, hate, beauty, ugliness, creature comforts, the turf beneath the foot, etc. All the things of the green places in the world. The Earth for Odinsake!

Not some pie in the sky promise of an eternal afterlife if you just accept Jesus into your heart and get dipped.

I'm not going to get all mystical on you but the Wotanist belief system is the healthiest one out there for racially aware white folks. There is a natural order of things which whites would be much better off believing. Nature has laws and bounds that are above any tales of dead jewish carpenters and the jew books that prove it happened. I find the fantasy of the Silmarillion to be much more enjoyable and pro-white than the fantasy of the bible, which originated in an area where the only whites were inside Roman garrisons.

Taking wotanism literally is akin to taking the bible literally. The question is which one is based in the reality of a European landscape and experience and which one is not?[/QUOTE]


[COLOR=Red]I like you Bragi. Great screen name too![/COLOR] ;)

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]Yours probably fucking were chink but mine are Aryan and pure[/quote]

You can said that until you're red in the face, but it won't change the fact that 100,000 years ago, your (and all of humanity's) ancestors lived in Africa.

The caucasoid (much less white) race did not evolve until 60,000 years ago, give or take a dozen or so. For a basic explanation of human race evolution and migration, read this:

http://www.ancestrybydna.com/largeMap.html




As I said slit eyes you are not qualified to comment. Why dont you do what the angry woman from hell told you to do and fuck off back to the orient. This is a WHITE Nationalist web site and you dont fit the bill chink

Actually, I don't have an epicanthic fold, but thanks. Do you resort to name calling simply because you cannot debate effectively or with some civility? And sir, I am not claiming to be white. I am simply discussing my view in that humanity is responsible for its own fate, and religions dont actively intervene in our lives. I'm also correcting misinformation about the origins of race, that is all.




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You can said that until you're red in the face, but it won't change the fact that 100,000 years ago, your (and all of humanity's) ancestors lived in Africa.

[COLOR=Blue]Listen chinky boy I know that you would dearly love to "prove" that we have a common ancestry but we havent. You are believing this "out of Africa" rubbish as if it were the holy grail of science. We both know that this is a tool of the Jew to extort money from the Aryan race to siphon off onto the racial inferiors of Africa and Asia.Call it emotional black mail if you will.You cannot bear the thought that I am racially superior to you can you? Your levelling tactics smell of the Jew. Just why do you post here slit eyes?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]
Listen chinky boy I know that you would dearly love to "prove" that we have a common ancestry but we havent. You are believing this "out of Africa" rubbish as if it were the holy grail of science. We both know that this is a tool of the Jew to extort money from the Aryan race to siphon off onto the racial inferiors of Africa and Asia.Call it emotional black mail if you will[/quote]

Oh really?

You have to understand this took place over 100,000 years. Evolution is not instant. The people who left Africa had to deal with harsher living conditions, thus making them more intelligent and less r- selected.


Scientists from across the world have analysed populaces from Iceland to Asia to Africa. In every population, there are traces of ancient African genes believed to be from humans over 100,000 years ago. This was confirmed with both mtDNA and Y-chromosome analysis. NO non-African ancient traces were found in the populaces. This was not a "jew study" either, it was international. (Wells, Jin Li, et all 2001)

There are dozens more of chromosome, mtdna, and anthropological studies which support this. You can bleat all you want, but it won't change the truth. Why are you so threatened by this?



You cannot bear the thought that I am racially superior to you can you?

You sir, are not racially superior to me.


Your levelling tactics smell of the Jew. Just why do you post here slit eyes

Logic and science is "jewish"? And I post here because I like this forum.




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Oh really?

You have to understand this took place over 100,000 years. Evolution is not instant. The people who left Africa had to deal with harsher living conditions, thus making them more intelligent and less r- selected.

[COLOR=Blue]I am not an evolutionist boy.[/COLOR]


Scientists from across the world have analysed populaces from Iceland to Asia to Africa. In every population, there are traces of ancient African genes believed to be from humans over 100,000 years ago. This was confirmed with both mtDNA and Y-chromosome analysis. NO non-African ancient traces were found in the populaces. This was not a "jew study" either, it was international.

[COLOR=Blue]There is no proof that any common genetic material is negro in nature and you know that.[/COLOR]

(Wells, Jin Li, et all 2001)

There are dozens more of chromosome, mtdna, and anthropological studies which support this. You can bleat all you want, but it won't change the truth. Why are you so threatened by this?

[COLOR=Blue]I am not "threatened" at all. I just wish to state clearly that you chink are a seperate species to the Aryan and I do not even regard non Aryans as being human in any meaningful sense. You non Aryans are born to be our slaves. Live with it boy.[/COLOR]




You sir, are not racially superior to me.

[COLOR=Blue]Yes I am boy. The fact that you are living and choose to live in a white mans land is evidence that our societies and ergo our people are superior to yours. You had better leave our sacred Aryan lands and take all the monkey people with you.[/COLOR]



Logic and science is "jewish"? And I post here because I like this forum.

[COLOR=Blue]You boy would not be allowed to post freely on Stormfront because you are a non Aryan and hate our race. The opposition forum would be the place for you. Why dont you be a good boy and post there with all the other racial inferiors?[/COLOR]

Yeah, Aryan Lord is not an evolutionist. He is just a believer in some false idols that were mostly rejected a long, long time ago. He comes on here mostly to attack anyone who believes in the one true God.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]You can said that until you're red in the face, but it won't change the fact that 100,000 years ago, your (and all of humanity's) ancestors lived in Africa.

[/QUOTE]

The out of Africa Theory is not a fact, nimdrod! It's a theory! A theory is a system of ASSUMPTIONS, ACCEPTED principles with a set of rules used to predict or explain some phenomena which is PERCEPTIBLE to the SENSES.
An assumption is something which is taken WITHOUT PROOF.

By the way, nimrod...did you know that Australian scientists have analyzed the oldest DNA ever taken from human remains, and that the results challenge the theory that modern humans evolved from African ancestors alone.


Researchers at Australian National University said they had analyzed DNA taken from remains unearthed in 1974 at Lake Mungo in the state of New South Wales. Dating in May 1999 put the age of the skeletal remains at between 56,000 and 68,000 years old.
ANU anthropologist Alan Thorne said that neither “Mungo Man’s” completely modern skeleton nor its DNA had any links with human ancestors from Africa found in other parts of the world.

“Neither of them [the skeleton or DNA] show any evidence that they ever were in Africa,” Thorne told Reuters. “There’s modern humans in Australia that have nothing to do with Africa at all.”

The findings, revealed in The Australian newspaper today, challenge the prevailing “out of Africa” theory of evolution because “Mungo Man” has a genetic line which has vanished yet his skeleton is completely modern.

The “out of Africa” theory holds that modern humans evolved from a common homo erectus ancestor in Africa.

Homo sapiens then left Africa and spread across the world between 150,000 and 100,000 years ago.

The ANU researchers say that because Mungo Man is modern anatomically, yet has a vanished DNA line, it means at least one group of homo erectus’ descendants evolved outside of Africa.

Under the counter “regional continuity” theory which Thorne supports, modern man evolved from homo erectus in several different places — what is now Africa, Europe, east Asia and west Asia — followed by interbreeding between the regions.

“Everywhere was becoming modern at roughly the same rate,” Thorne said. “As they are today, genes were flowing from Shanghai to Paris, from Singapore to Cape Town.”

Genetic Fingerprint
DNA is a kind of genetic fingerprint unique to every individual and which transmits hereditary characteristics.

The ANU research says that Mungo Man’s mitochondrial DNA contained different sequences of the four chemicals which form DNA to that which has been found in other remains. Mitochondria are the energy packs within cells.

The previously oldest human DNA tested came from Neanderthal remains — a 45,000-year-old specimen in western Germany and 28,000-year-old remains from Croatia.

While the genetic footprint was different, ANU evolutionary genetecist Simon Easteal said Mungo Man would have looked very much like modern humans.

“This individual has facial features, has morphology that is essentially modern, that wouldn’t stand out in a crowd today,” Easteal told Reuters.

“If he was part of a wave of modern people that had come out of Africa and spread, eventually reaching Australia, then his mitochondrial DNA would reflect that,” he said.

Thorne said the dating of Mungo Man meant there was no doubt that ancestors of Australia’s Aborigines came to the continent from Asia about 70,000 years ago — some 30,000 years earlier than was thought.

“There’s no question that somewhere in southeast Asia is where watercraft got invented,” Thorne said. “The first oceanic crossings were to Australia.”


Copyright 2001 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/evolution_outofafrica010109.html

[QUOTE=hitler goddess]Yeah, Aryan Lord is not an evolutionist. He is just a believer in some false idols that were mostly rejected a long, long time ago. He comes on here mostly to attack anyone who believes in the one true God.[/QUOTE]

Well I don't believe in one "true God" either. :)


[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]
I am not an evolutionist boy.[/quote]

Well you should be if you want to discuss race.


There is no proof that any common genetic material is negro in nature and you know that.

I just GAVE you proof. All humans across the world share ancient African genes.


I am not "threatened" at all. I just wish to state clearly that you chink are a seperate species to the Aryan and I do not even regard non Aryans as being human in any meaningful sense. You non Aryans are born to be our slaves. Live with it boy

You're crazy.



Yes I am boy. The fact that you are living and choose to live in a white mans land is evidence that our societies and ergo our people are superior to yours.

So does that mean a white guy living in China is admitting the Chinese are superior?


hate our race. The opposition forum would be the place for you.

I don't hate whites, and generally speaking, I am not opposed.


[quote=Steve]
The out of Africa Theory is not a fact[/quote]

Correct, it's a theory. A theory that has far more support and evidence than multiregionalism.



This study is also newer than the Thorne ANU study.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1323485.stm

"This result indicates that modern humans of African origin completely replaced earlier populations in East Asia," the researchers write in the journal Science...."This really puts the nail in the coffin of multiregionalism".

They tested the samples for a set of three markers associated with a mutation of the Y-chromosome known to have originated in Africa an estimated 44,000 years ago.

If they had found anyone without any of the markers, it would have indicated that the individual might not have been descended from Africans. But they did not, lending weight to the "Out of Africa" theory.




http://www.science-spirit.org/articles/archive_cm_detail.cfm?item_id=367

Each carried at least one of the mutations, evidence that the populations now in Asia came from a migration from Africa of modern humans and not from a mingling of modern humans with homo erectus.

This research also supports earlier studies that suggest modern humans in Europe and Asia originated from people who originated in Africa.

http://evo.bio.psu.edu/hedgeslab/NEWS/NewsQuotes2000-MorningNews.pdf

They then calculated that a common ancestor of chimps and humans might have lived about 5 million years ago. And a common ancestor of all modern humans might havelived about 170,000 years ago, somewhere in Africa.



I will admit that multiregionalism is possible, albiet unlikely. Will wotan-man admit the inverse? I doubt so.



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]

Correct, it's a theory. A theory that has far more support and evidence than multiregionalism.[/QUOTE]

You don't seem to be getting it. Thornes "Mungo Man" is a completely modern skeleton! It's DNA has no links with human ancestors from Africa found in other parts of the world. Neither of them [the skeleton or DNA] show any evidence that they ever were in Africa!

This not only challenges the prevailing "out of Africa" theory of evolution but knocks this, weez awls bees one, bullshit right on it's ass for the simple reason "Mungo Man" has a genetic line which has vanished yet his skeleton is modern, anatomically!

"Mungo man" is irrefutable proof that at least one group of homo erectus decendants evolved outside of Africa and if one group did it....there be others, boy!

[QUOTE=Steve B]You don't seem to be getting it. Thornes "Mungo Man" is a completely modern skeleton! It's DNA has no links with human ancestors from Africa found in other parts of the world. Neither of them [the skeleton or DNA] show any evidence that they ever were in Africa!

This not only challenges the prevailing "out of Africa" theory of evolution but knocks this, weez awls bees one, bullshit right on it's ass for the simple reason "Mungo Man" has a genetic line which has vanished yet his skeleton is modern, anatomically!

"Mungo man" is irrefutable proof that at least one group of homo erectus decendants evolved outside of Africa and if one group did it....there be others, boy![/QUOTE]

Steve, I said I admit it's possible. But any population geneticist will tell you that population samples are useful for determining human origins, isolated individuals are MUCH less. Moreover, mtDNA is less reliable than Y-chromosome analysis for determining historical migrations.


http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/cond-mat/pdf/0208/0208144.pdf


Mungo Man, at variance with Neandertals, is an anatomically modern man. The fossil,60,000 years-old, (older then the three Neandertal fossils) was discovered in 1974 ...Also in this case, the argument is doubtful, in fact, as already discussed the rapid extinctions of mtDNA subpopulations are well evident in fig. 2.The conclusion (if any) of this work is that hardly mtDNA studies can be used to prove [1,2] ’Out of Africa’ theory or disprove it [3]. On the contrary, the study of DNA distribution in living population allows for much more reliable results, especially if the study is performedon nuclear DNA which encodes information about all our ancestry.


Also from Dr. Chris Stringer:


What the evidence seems to suggest now genetically and physically is that modern races, if we can use that term -- I use it with a great deal of caution -- let's say regional groups, regional populations, they seem to have developed very recently.

In the fossil record we can't find clear evidence of really distinct groups as we know them today until the last 30 or 40,000 years ago.

The Mungo individual at 60,000, is 60,000 years away from present-day Australians so I think we don't yet know whether that individual is really like recent Australians.




Also:


Now a new study from Melbourne University challenges the Thorne group's findings. By performing thermo-luminescence analysis on sand samples taken from the site they conclude that Mungo Man is not older than 40,000 years and that humans settled in Australia no earlier than 50,000 years ago.


Finally:



Thorne proposes an alternative theory that humans did not leave Africa in a single wave at all but that modern humans are descended from several strands of hominids which left Africa at different times and which only later evolved in modern humans.


So even if multiregionalism is correct (which I still think is not even close to being certain, as this is just one piece of evidence versus huge amounts of proof that lean otherwise), all humans still shared a common ancestor at some point in time. In other words, aryanlord would still not believe it.


I got an open mind. I really do enjoy these debates. ;)



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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]
So even if multiregionalism is correct[/b] (which I still think is not even close to being certain, as this is just one piece of evidence versus huge amounts of proof that lean otherwise), all humans still shared a common ancestor at some point in time.
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According to you then AE....were all just one big, not to happy family. We can go back and forth in this debate all day long and neither will convince the other. Just let me say this:

I believe that the myth of the "African Eve"..."Out of Africa" theory is a favorite of the alien establishment for obviously political reasons. African Blacks and White Homo sapiens Caucasians do not have the same origin and, in fact, are different species that, tragically, are able to inter-breed. "African Eve" may be the mother of all Blacks but she bears no ancestral relationship to Homo sapiens.

For centuries it has been argued that differences between "races" of humans mean some are inferior, some superior. According to Thornes multi-region theory, the long process of evolution in different regions explains the "differences" between Asians, Africans, Europeans and Aborigines. But if the absurd Out of Africa theory prevails, there can be no genetic basis for racism. Why? Its premise is that modern humans evolved so recently that we are effectively genetically identical, however different we may appear.

So the question begs...are our differences only skin deep? Or are they programmed into our genes?

You be the judge!

[QUOTE=Steve B]
I believe that the myth of the "African Eve"..."Out of Africa" theory is a favorite of the alien establishment for obviously political reasons. African Blacks and White Homo sapiens Caucasians do not have the same origin and, in fact, are different species that, tragically, are able to inter-breed. "African Eve" may be the mother of all Blacks but she bears no ancestral relationship to Homo sapiens. [/quote]

Well, I partially agree. The "eve" is heralded as "an entire race from one woman" during Discovery Channel specials. Of course, any serious in depth look into "eve", shows that she was probably just one of many other "eves". I am willing to accept multiregionalism as possible, even if most scientific evidence leans otherwise.


For centuries it has been argued that differences between "races" of humans mean some are inferior, some superior. According to Thornes multi-region theory, the long process of evolution in different regions explains the "differences" between Asians, Africans, Europeans and Aborigines. But if the absurd Out of Africa theory prevails, there can be no genetic basis for racism. Why? Its premise is that modern humans evolved so recently that we are effectively genetically identical, however different we may appear.

Well that isn't completely true. I'll cite Professor Rushton (who was cited by Vivoidio):



While niggers and antis alike would gloat on this and take it to imply that we're all somehow related or that Africa is the birth of civilization, all it does it grant leverage to the biological fact that all race's aren't made equal. While negroids stayed in Africa and ceased to evolve beyond primitive hunter/gatherer savages, (the humans who left) migrated to Europe and Asia, respectively (evolving into caucasoids/mongoloids), and built complex civilizations while niggers to this day have yet to invent a Written language.(the prerequisite to any civilization)

The contrast between the rigorous Ice ages that Whites endured and the warm clime of Africa where niggers lived, is why invention was indeed cardinal to the survival of the White race, whereas being of no necessity to the niggers.

Invention and innovation demands a certain ammount of adversity in order to harvest itself, Africa had a warm clime with lush jungles that was capable of sustaining life without innovation, this is Why blacks didn't need to have tools or even a written language, and they didn't.

Still,though abundant in food and with a favourable climate, the African environment was highly unpredictable, and this is why the niggers adopted the strategy of high reprodution with little care for their offspring, while Whites and Asians took to producing fewer offspring but nurturing them well.




So in otherwords, 100,000 or so years of microevolution IS enough to produce racial differences such as behaviour and bone structure, but not enought to warrant an entirely new classification.

Professor Rushton's great work on race differences is completely modeled on "out of Africa".




So the question begs...are our differences only skin deep? Or are they programmed into our genes?


I'll once again fall back on Rushton. Human behaviour is 50% genetic, 50% environment. So obviously genes play a role, I never implied otherwise. If I did, that would certainly be a disservice to my white and asian heritage.




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Well, I partially agree. The "eve" is heralded as "an entire race from one woman" during Discovery Channel specials. Of course, any serious in depth look into "eve", shows that she was probably just one of many other "eves". I am willing to accept multiregionalism as possible, even if most scientific evidence leans otherwise.



Well that isn't completely true. I'll cite Professor Rushton (who was cited by Vivoidio):



While niggers and antis alike would gloat on this and take it to imply that we're all somehow related or that Africa is the birth of civilization, all it does it grant leverage to the biological fact that all race's aren't made equal. While negroids stayed in Africa and ceased to evolve beyond primitive hunter/gatherer savages, (the humans who left) migrated to Europe and Asia, respectively (evolving into caucasoids/mongoloids), and built complex civilizations while niggers to this day have yet to invent a Written language.(the prerequisite to any civilization)

The contrast between the rigorous Ice ages that Whites endured and the warm clime of Africa where niggers lived, is why invention was indeed cardinal to the survival of the White race, whereas being of no necessity to the niggers.

Invention and innovation demands a certain ammount of adversity in order to harvest itself, Africa had a warm clime with lush jungles that was capable of sustaining life without innovation, this is Why blacks didn't need to have tools or even a written language, and they didn't.

Still,though abundant in food and with a favourable climate, the African environment was highly unpredictable, and this is why the niggers adopted the strategy of high reprodution with little care for their offspring, while Whites and Asians took to producing fewer offspring but nurturing them well.




So in otherwords, 100,000 or so years of microevolution IS enough to produce racial differences such as behaviour and bone structure, but not enought to warrant an entirely new classification.

Professor Rushton's great work on race differences is completely modeled on "out of Africa".[/QUOTE]

Utter bullshit! So what you and Rushton are saying is Africans left Africa, traveled to Europe and turned into White people? White people EVOLVED from Black people by the simple expedient of wandering away from Africa to Europe? Amazing that some people actually believe this crap!

By your convoluted logic Asians who wandered from mainland Asia to North America, likely via the Bering Straits, where the climate was similar to Europe's, should have also evolved into White people but for some reason failed to do so. Odd, don't you think?

The existence of b.s. is not surprising. What is surprising is that so very few people ever bother to question it. They take whatever ZOG dishes out and accept it as truth when they should be asking themselves, cui bono?

[QUOTE=Steve B]Utter bullshit! So what you and Rushton are saying is Africans left Africa, traveled to Europe and turned into White people? White people EVOLVED from Black people by the simple expedient of wandering away from Africa to Europe? Amazing that some people actually believe this crap![/quote]

No, we shared a common ancestor. We didn't "turn into" whites/asians from blacks. 100,000 years is a long time.

By your convoluted logic Asians who wandered from mainland Asia to North America, likely via the Bering Straits, where the climate was similar to Europe's, should have also evolved into White people but for some reason failed to do so. Odd, don't you think?

They were only in America for about 10,000 or so years. Why wouldn't they retain their mongoloid traits? Keep in minds the natives, while mongoloids, are not "asian". That's like calling an arab "white". They have some similiar features, but look quite different compared to asians.

The existence of b.s. is not surprising. What is surprising is that so very few people ever bother to question it. They take whatever ZOG dishes out and accept it as truth when they should be asking themselves, cui bono?

There's so much evidence for this I don't even know where to begin, but you'll forgive me if I take the word of most professionals. ;)

Like I said, over 100,000 years is a long time. Enough for physical (but not huge) differences, as well as behavioural ones. Blacks are NOT a different species.




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]No, we shared a common ancestor. We didn't "turn into" whites/asians from blacks. 100,000 years is a long time.



They were only in America for about 10,000 or so years. Why wouldn't they retain their mongoloid traits? Keep in minds the natives, while mongoloids, are not "asian". That's like calling an arab "white". They have some similiar features, but look quite different compared to asians.



There's so much evidence for this I don't even know where to begin, but you'll forgive me if I take the word of most professionals. ;)

Like I said, over 100,000 years is a long time. Enough for physical (but not huge) differences, as well as behavioural ones. Blacks are NOT a different species.




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Yer reachin AE! So if we just give those mongoloids here in Amerikwa another 90,000 years they will eventually turn into White Europeans?

[QUOTE=Steve B]Yer reachin AE! So if we just give those mongoloids here in Amerikwa another 90,000 years they will eventually turn into White Europeans?[/QUOTE]

Who knows? Keep in mind though, that the races did not evolve from other races, nor is there anymore survival of the fittest or hunter-gatherer type scenarios.


Basically, human race differences are quanitifiable, but the differences are not big enough to classify them as different species. Species take millions of years to evolve. So in a fraction of that time, it makes sense for races to form (100,000 years). This is microevolution, and that's exactly what race is. Changes (but not large ones) in behaviour and physical build to suit the environment.

Different, but not HUGELY different in a genetic sense. Like I said, though most evidence overwhelming leads to "out of Africa", I can consider multiregionalism a possibility. Either scenario does NOT affect the truth about about race differences.



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[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Red]I like you Bragi. Great screen name too![/COLOR] ;)[/QUOTE]

Same to you. Wotan mit uns. Nature is truth. Truth is nature.

^Wow, ask and ye shall recieve. ;)


Anyways, my biggest problem with ethnostates is that they seem to want to bend or warp the facts to suit their ideology. Of course, the social sciences in the west are victim now under PC rule, but thankfully, anthropology/archaeology is less effective under its jackboot, being more quantative in nature.



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Wotans influence on America and the civilised world is such that the day named after him marks the middle of the working week.

Wotansday (Wednesday) is a marker signalling to all who toil under the hammer of labour that soon it will be A'sabt (the sabbath day now known as Saturn's day or Saturday).

Onlythe semitic now refer tosaturday as the sabbath, with Christianisation of the Pagan calendar and week switching the sabbath day of rest to Sunday.


:cool:

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]If what AE is saying is right, then whites should have developed hair on them like Polar bears as we lived in Europe with the snow and ice for thousands upon thousands of years. White racial physical traits are the least helpful for things like the Ice Age.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean? Lighter colored eyes due to lesser amounts of sunlight, same thing with lighter skin and hair.

Look at bears in the artic compared to bears in hotter climates.


Such differences are not only possible but likely in a situation of approximately 100,000 years. Not enought to warrant new species, but enought to change noticably physical and behaviourally.



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[QUOTE=hitler goddess]Yeah, Aryan Lord is not an evolutionist. He is just a believer in some false idols that were mostly rejected a long, long time ago. He comes on here mostly to attack anyone who believes in the one true God.[/QUOTE]


[COLOR=Blue]Hitler goddess you are right I despise all things Jewish above all else, even above our asiatic poster, Enema and that includes your hooknosed god who seems to have a fetish for shit if you read Jarls excellent post on your gods fascination with excrement. So fuck Jehovah,fuck Christ and fuck you. Now warm my bed wench![/COLOR]

The nationalist magazine Folkets nyheter, The People's News, had an article in the last issue about research on how Germanics have adapted to the colder climate. I don't have it here right now, but it showed that we are better at producing heat in our bodies. The process described is weaker in Romanics, and almost completely missing in Negroes. The lack of this process is why Negroes are so fat, because they can't turn that fat into heat. (And because they are lazy, irresponsible sons of bitches, of course)

However, the article said, Indians also turn into fat slobs when exposed to real man's cooking, even though they originally come from colder climates and have the same heat process as Whites. It seems there are other factors involved that make them fat. Once again it has been proven that being White is the best of all fates.

[QUOTE=Dasyurus Maculatus]Wotans influence on America and the civilised world is such that the day named after him marks the middle of the working week.

Wotansday (Wednesday) is a marker signalling to all who toil under the hammer of labour that soon it will be A'sabt (the sabbath day now known as Saturn's day or Saturday).

Onlythe semitic now refer tosaturday as the sabbath, with Christianisation of the Pagan calendar and week switching the sabbath day of rest to Sunday.


:cool:[/QUOTE]

Okay, that's a good one. Woden is only one of seven then and he is like the LEAST popular day, only Tuesday is less important! Most anybody would pick Sun, Moon or Venus to worship, before Woden. Mighty Thor on thursday was 7 times more popular than Woden one eye. Jews and satanists go for saturday (day of death). Sabbath stands for 'spt', spit, the day god hocked a loogie and created the jews.

Woden came back with one eye and well water running down his beard and said, "Wow. I saw the black sun but I can't think of anything smart to say."

[QUOTE=DR ANTICHRIST]Less light? When the snow is on the ground thick and the sun is out you need sunglass just to see most of the time. And Polar bears have thick hides with fur on them. People do not.[/QUOTE]

I bet you the average German is hairer than the average subsaharan negro.

Darker pigment skin is better suited for heavy sunlight. That's why blacks never get sunburned.




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Christians jumped on holidays, renaming them to suit. All this time later, no days named after saints etc. Was that a step too far?

Fur, my friends? But they wore clothing. And they had long since learned how to build fires. 'f course. But as my earlier post shows, Germanics are indeed better adapted to a cold climate than southerners.


[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]Okay, that's a good one. Woden is only one of seven then and he is like the LEAST popular day, only Tuesday is less important! Most anybody would pick Sun, Moon or Venus to worship, before Woden. Mighty Thor on thursday was 7 times more popular than Woden one eye. Jews and satanists go for saturday (day of death). Sabbath stands for 'spt', spit, the day god hocked a loogie and created the jews.

Woden came back with one eye and well water running down his beard and said, "Wow. I saw the black sun but I can't think of anything smart to say."[/QUOTE]

*S* Oh, the ignorance in today's world. Let me inform you of the other days from Asatro: Friday is Frej's dag, and Tuesday is Tyr's dag. So Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are blessed by White religion; more than half the week, itz.

Betcha you don't know the importance of Tyr. No matter, your descendants will.

[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]Fur, my friends? But they wore clothing. And they had long since learned how to build fires. 'f course. But as my earlier post shows, Germanics are indeed better adapted to a cold climate than southerners.

*S* Oh, the ignorance in today's world. Let me inform you of the other days from Asatro: Friday is Frej's dag, and Tuesday is Tyr's dag. So Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are blessed by White religion; more than half the week, itz.

Betcha you don't know the importance of Tyr. No matter, your descendants will.[/QUOTE]

The reason nobody knows Tyr is because the jew press serves up endless odin and no Tyr. Tyr would be leading you to war, wouldn't he? Instead, you are flying around up your own assholes with a rune.

These planet days are also in the ROMAN Catholic church, as were Yule and Easter, although those days are now being wiped out for 'holocaust memorial day' (Easter) and 'Christians must apologize for the anti semitism day' (Xmas)

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]The reason nobody knows Tyr is because the jew press serves up endless odin and no Tyr. Tyr would be leading you to war, wouldn't he? Instead, you are flying around up your own assholes with a rune.
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Hm? That last sentence doesn't make any sense. But yes, Tyr is the god of war, and in charge of the Enhärjare (the Einherjer army, I suppose, for you English-speakers), who died in battle and went to Valhall. He willingly lost his arm in order to chain the Fenris Wolf. His sign is the T that looks like an arrow, and it's a nationalist symbol.

Then again, Oden is also a god of war, and death. And Tor is a god of battle and warriors. Vikings like to have many war gods. Pagan Germanics are, after all, the best warriors.

Wotan never influenced America because no one was idiotic enough to believe in a red headed, bearded man flying around in the sky holding a hammer for a few 1000 years. True nordic people accepted Yahweh as their savior. Only Jews, the sons of Satan and anti-Christ vermin who do their bidding try to demean our Christ.

getting back to the title of the thread, I would say that in an odd way Woden does have a certain significance for Americans. In a way we are a full extension of Oswald Spengler's notion that the West is animated by a Faustian spirit that is exemplified by our "technics" which I think is pretty much what we call today technology; which is our manipulation and transmutation of our environment according to our will.

We accomplish that with science which as Spengler noted, is based on its own given assumptions about metaphysics, which makes it akin in some ways to religion.

many have compared the figure of Faust with that of Prometheus; Faust quested after knowledge, at the risk of Divine punishment, and Prometheus brough knowledge to humans at the risk of divine punishment. Woden of course, gained the knowledge of divination and the runes via his sacrifice hanging on a tree and losing his eye at Mimir's well. Thus Woden is "promethean," having endured sacrifice to gain knowledge; and Faustian, by extension of the analogy.*

So America, with our exalted technical knowledge and vast military might, is Faustian as well: at great expense to our soul-- our very identity as Westerners and ultimately, Aryans.

What do you think of that guys?

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* [SIZE=1]I could have slipped ole Jesus H into this analogy too as did Spengler but I just wanted to throw this idea out there and get some feedback without initiating a series of flames![/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Warrior_Of_Christ]Wotan never influenced America because no one was idiotic enough to believe in a red headed, bearded man flying around in the sky holding a hammer for a few 1000 years. True nordic people accepted Yahweh as their savior. Only Jews, the sons of Satan and anti-Christ vermin who do their bidding try to demean our Christ.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]I have got news for you Warrior of Kike Wotan is not depicted as having a red beard or a hammer. He is the one eyed god.Furthermore he is coming to a town near you.
Your description is that of Thor, the thunderer. It is interesting that in another post you cite Adam having red hair and Christ having blond hair and you laud these as attributes of Nordic manhood and yet you mock my god for having the same physical characteristics. How strange. How inconsistent. You would choose the god of the Hebrews over the gods of the Teutons. What is wrong with worshipping the original gods of your ancestors and not the imported god from the east? Do you have a fetish for all things Jewish?
Why are our gods any less credible than your kike who "walked on water","healed the sick" and "raised the dead"? Why is your fairytale more acceptable than ours?
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[QUOTE=Warrior_Of_Christ]Wotan never influenced America because no one was idiotic enough to believe in a red headed, bearded man flying around in the sky holding a hammer for a few 1000 years. True nordic people accepted Yahweh as their savior. Only Jews, the sons of Satan and anti-Christ vermin who do their bidding try to demean our Christ.[/QUOTE]


Nobody ever accepted Yahweh as their savior, this guy is just trying to be funny.

[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne
Pagan Germanics are, after all, the best warriors.[/QUOTE]

Where are they hiding?

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]Nobody ever accepted Yahweh as their savior, this guy is just trying to be funny.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Red]But your christ said "I and my father[Yahweh] are one". [/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman][QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne
Pagan Germanics are, after all, the best warriors.[/QUOTE]

Where are they hiding?[/QUOTE]


[COLOR=Red]They slaughtered 3 Roman legions and 6 other units in 9CE in the Teutoburgerwald. They also as vikings terrorised half of Europe.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Red]But your christ said "I and my father[Yahweh] are one". [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I bet Jesus never even used the word Yahweh. He said to pray to Abba.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman][QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne
Pagan Germanics are, after all, the best warriors.
Where are they hiding?[/QUOTE]

You smell too much, so they decided to go have a beer until they've agreed on the best way to clean you. I'm telling ya, it ain't gonna be pleasant. :)

The absence of Christianity frees the philosophy of evolution, the philosophy of Life, Cosmotheism, Creativity, Prometheism, Might is Right -- dear child has many names as we say in Sweden. Ah, to be unfettered by suicidal dogma! What freedom. The freedom to serve Life to the fullest. Ah, the bliss of living in the least religious country in the world! No nonsense about religion in nationalist circles, just straight reality.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]I bet Jesus never even used the word Yahweh. He said to pray to Abba.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]Listen I like Abba too,especially Agnetha but I would never dream of praying to them.Which is your favourite song?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]Listen I like Abba too,especially Agnetha but I would never dream of praying to them.Which is your favourite song?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Oh, maybe that is why the german warriors are hiding, they heard you playing Abba songs.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]I bet Jesus never even used the word Yahweh. He said to pray to Abba.[/QUOTE]
Actually Abba is a term that has no English equivalent it means something similar to daddy. Jesus used it to show his close father and Son relationship to God.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]Oh, maybe that is why the german warriors are hiding, they heard you playing Abba songs.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]Our "German warriors" are not hiding as you will soon find out. Dont let me keep you from listening to your negro spirituals.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Actually Abba is a term that has no English equivalent it means something similar to daddy. Jesus used it to show his close father and Son relationship to God.[/QUOTE]


[COLOR=Blue]Was that before or after he sucked Jehovahs dick?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]I bet Jesus never even used the word Yahweh. He said to pray to Abba.[/QUOTE]

Jesus's last words are said to be 'Eli Eli, Lama Sabachthani'. It means 'my god my god why have you forsaken me?'.

Now I'm not defending Christianity, but it is significant that Jesus called out to an Arab deity (Elijah the Prophet) rather than to Yahweh, the one jewish mastering god, as claimed by the jews. Jesus railed against his corrupt jewish brethren time after time. It is telling that the Bible was written in the long years after his death. The fame of a dead man's deeds. Those deviously clever jews.

Maybe you're being funny about Jesus calling out to a future Swedish pop band, but I gotta say that Jesus was the original anti-Semite. It's too bad for the world at large that Christianity has become what it is today, a philo-semitic abomination preaching equality and open borders.

[QUOTE=Bragi]Jesus's last words are said to be 'Eli Eli, Lama Sabachthani'. It means 'my god my god why have you forsaken me?'.

Now I'm not defending Christianity, but it is significant that Jesus called out to an Arab deity (Elijah the Prophet) rather than to Yahweh, the one jewish mastering god, as claimed by the jews. Jesus railed against his corrupt jewish brethren time after time. It is telling that the Bible was written in the long years after his death. The fame of a dead man's deeds. Those deviously clever jews.

Maybe you're being funny about Jesus calling out to a future Swedish pop band, but I gotta say that Jesus was the original anti-Semite. It's too bad for the world at large that Christianity has become what it is today, a philo-semitic abomination preaching equality and open borders.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]There is no more evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ and Jehovah as there is in Wotan.The difference is I choose to honour the Aryan gods of my ancestors and not a Jewish failure who died on a tree and the "god" of the Jews.
There was nothing remotely anti-Semitic about Jesus.He did not rail against the Jews but against the dead traditions of his people.Did he not say "Salvation is of the Jews"? Did he not also refer to the non Jews who came to him for enlightenment as "dogs under their masters table"?
The whole nature of Matthew 24,Luke 21 and Mark13 and the book of Revelation is Jewcentric.Biblical prophecy in both the Old and New Tesataments places the Jews and Israel in the centre of the action.All other nations are defined by their relationship to the Jews.Paul refers to the gentiles as being "grafted onto the natural vine." Whatever semantic games that people like you try to play you cannot rid Christianity of its Jewish origins and slave like spiritual mentality.It is not a fitting religion for Aryans and indeed its doctrines and the majority of its adherents promote multiculturalism.See my threads for details.
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[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]There is no more evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ and Jehovah as there is in Wotan.The difference is I choose to honour the Aryan gods of my ancestors and not a Jewish failure who died on a tree and the "god" of the Jews.
There was nothing remotely anti-Semitic about Jesus.He did not rail against the Jews but against the dead traditions of his people.Did he not say "Salvation is of the Jews"? Did he not also refer to the non Jews who came to him for enlightenment as "dogs under their masters table"?
The whole nature of Matthew 24,Luke 21 and Mark13 and the book of Revelation is Jewcentric.Biblical prophecy in both the Old and New Tesataments places the Jews and Israel in the centre of the action.All other nations are defined by their relationship to the Jews.Paul refers to the gentiles as being "grafted onto the natural vine." Whatever semantic games that people like you try to play you cannot rid Christianity of its Jewish origins and slave like spiritual mentality.It is not a fitting religion for Aryans and indeed its doctrines and the majority of its adherents promote multiculturalism.See my threads for details.
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I tried to bring up the point that the bible was written, by jewish 'apostles' who had followed him, in the long years after his death. In fact, over a period of a couple of centuries, the New Testament was written. A lot can happen in two hundred years time period, and it's not as if Jesus was around to make sure that the written account of his life was fully accurate.

AL, I am not a Christian. I know there is nothing that can't be questioned about the life and times of Jesus. I realize that Christianity is a Semitic production not suitable to the indigenous people of Northern Europe. But take a quick look at some of what Jesus also said besides "salvation is of the jews", which we are not absolutely sure he said since, remember, his tale was written long after he died. Surely it's authors took some 'dramatic license' and put a few words in his mouth that he never actually uttered, if indeed he did in fact ever walk the earth. In fact maybe he was just a self hating jew.

[font=Book Antiqua][size=7][color=blue]Is Jesus Anti-Semitic?[/color][/size][/font]

[size=5]What does Jesus say about the Jew? Jesus says the Jews are;[/size]

DEVILS

{John} 8."Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning" (verse 44).

SERPENTS


Matthew 23 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (Jewish leaders), hypocrites! ... Ye blind guides ... Ye fools and blind .... Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" (verses 13-33).

MURDERERS

Jesus' denunciations not only of the leaders but also of the nation have fueled the anti-Semite's fire. In Luke 20, Jesus, symbolizing Israel as a vineyard, tells of a master who planted a vineyard and "let it forth to husbandmen" (verse 9).
Later when the servants came to collect the fruit from the master's vineyard, the husbandmen beat them. He sent more servants, and they beat them too. Finally the master says, "I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him" (verse 13).

Instead, the husbandmen killed him! Said Jesus: "What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others" (verses 15, 16).

"..How can ye escape the damnation of Hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them
shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the *blood of Innocent Abel* unto
the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. *Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation* ." Mt 23:33-36

CHRIST KILLERS


" But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God" John 8:40

"His blood be upon us and on our children" Matthew 27:25. "They killed the Christ."

LIARS

"Now the chief priests (Jewish leaders), and elders, and all the council, sought false witnessagainst Jesus, to put him to death;" Mt 26:59

"For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together" Mr 14:57

" Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (Jewish leaders), hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. " (Matthew 23:23)


The New Testament contains 102 references to the Jews of [the] most degrading and malevolent kind Who labels the Jews as hypocrites, apostates, liars, and killers. Who denounces Jewish leaders and the Jewish nation? Who scolds Jewish priests, claims its Temple services are corrupt, and spews forth warnings that God's judgments will fall upon the Jews? Who accuses the Jews of murder, corruption, greed, and robbery - declares that they have forsaken God?



Maybe the Christians can come to a better understanding of what their religion is really all about when it comes to the jewish question. I'm not holding my breath, but I think there are numerous reasons why the jews wanted the rebel nailed to a tree. I doubt the jews intended to make him an immortal martyr but once he became that they wrote the story and put a spin on it that was good for the jews. Maybe they included the anti-Semitism for authenticity, who knows, maybe it came later or was added in by later translators? The mysteries abound.

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]I have got news for you Warrior of Kike Wotan is not depicted as having a red beard or a hammer. He is the one eyed god.Furthermore he is coming to a town near you.
Your description is that of Thor, the thunderer. It is interesting that in another post you cite Adam having red hair and Christ having blond hair and you laud these as attributes of Nordic manhood and yet you mock my god for having the same physical characteristics. How strange. How inconsistent. You would choose the god of the Hebrews over the gods of the Teutons. What is wrong with worshipping the original gods of your ancestors and not the imported god from the east? Do you have a fetish for all things Jewish?
Why are our gods any less credible than your kike who "walked on water","healed the sick" and "raised the dead"? Why is your fairytale more acceptable than ours?
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I have never seen Thor or the cyclops that you call Odin either. When the day of Judgement comes, you will meet our Lord and Savior and pay for your blasphemy. Personally, I think you should be stoned, but let the punishment be up to Yahweh.

[QUOTE=Yahweh's_Warrior777]I have never seen Thor or the cyclops that you call Odin either. When the day of Judgement comes, you will meet our Lord and Savior and pay for your blasphemy. Personally, I think you should be stoned, but let the punishment be up to Yahweh.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]"Stoned" eh? I prefer alcohol.
Well your Yahweh doesnt exist.He is a figment of your Semitic imagination.I will not bend the knee to a Jewish desert god just because a Jew lover like you tells me that I "will pay for[my] blasphemy". LMAO! If he did exist I would spit in his hooknosed face,then yours.
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[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]"Stoned" eh? I prefer alcohol.
Well your Yahweh doesnt exist.He is a figment of your Semitic imagination.I will not bend the knee to a Jewish desert god just because a Jew lover like you tells me that I "will pay for[my] blasphemy". LMAO! If he did exist I would spit in his hooknosed face,then yours.
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I am keeping my sword sharp for you blasphemers and my stones ready.

ALL HAIL THE RETURN OF HIS ANNOINTED!!!

[QUOTE=Yahweh's_Warrior777]I am keeping my sword sharp for you blasphemers and my stones ready.

ALL HAIL THE RETURN OF HIS ANNOINTED!!![/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]I have already tolld you gayboy I do not want your "pork sword" nor your "stones".I am heterosexual.Please stop harrassing me with your unusual demands![/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]I have already tolld you gayboy I do not want your "pork sword" nor your "stones".I am heterosexual.Please stop harrassing me with your unusual demands![/COLOR][/QUOTE]

The Lord sayeth that homosexuality is an abomination! Let them and you taste the wrath of Yahweh on Judgement Day!
You should probably shoot yourself, it will be less painful than the stoning that you will receive.

[QUOTE=Yahweh's_Warrior777]The Lord sayeth that homosexuality is an abomination! Let them and you taste the wrath of Yahweh on Judgement Day!
You should probably shoot yourself, it will be less painful than the stoning that you will receive.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=Blue]Where does this fit in with "God is love"?[/COLOR]

Take the yahweh challenge! Good one, Dr.
I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I'm noting the sword sharpeners and stone gatherers. I am neither impressed nor intimidated. Hardly amused.