I would really like to hear what you guys think about this topic.

For one, I'm a young guy and I don't have children, but if I have a boy, I will absolutely not have him circumcised.

Also, I just had a thought. I think circumcision in the US/West is purely a Jewish scheme. They put forth all the unproved studies and say this is the right thing to do. It makes it so Christian white people look like Jews. Does anyone else think this is so?

When the SS searched for Jews, a lot of times they just had men drop their pants. Those who's penises were intact were much better off than those who didn't.

Circumcision is barbaric and disgusting. I'm glad my mom convinced my (white) dad not to get it done, becase he wanted it.

Also:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=5593



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You're damned right it's a jewish scam. This topic has come up before here.
Ever so often the jewmedia will raise a great howl about the horrors of female circumcision. Always in conjunction with bashing the Muslims who do it (Black savage "Muslims" of Africa exclusively).
Never a peep about the systemic mutilation of damned near every boy baby exposed to an American doctor.

I would really like to hear what you guys think about this topic.

For one, I'm a young guy and I don't have children, but if I have a boy, I will absolutely not have him circumcised.

Also, I just had a thought. I think circumcision in the US/West is purely a Jewish scheme. They put forth all the unproved studies and say this is the right thing to do. It makes it so Christian white people look like Jews. Does anyone else think this is so?

When the SS searched for Jews, a lot of times they just had men drop their pants. Those who's penises were intact were much better off than those who didn't.

Do I detect a hint of personal bitterness?

More than a hint, perceptive boy.
I had no voice to advise my parents to avoid the services of kindly old Dr. Finkel. May his twisted kike soul rot in hell.
You know the real-deal jewish mohels actually suck the blood from the freshly-cut penis of the infant?

Do I detect a hint of personal bitterness?

Information-overload....must...shut my mind...to.......

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That was by far the scariest visual place I've ever went to, and I can vouch for the total and utter falsity of Nietzche's winged pronunciamento; I think my lifespan was just cut in half.

You paid me back in unkind, you horrible old vulture.

Here's some info on the bris, as the jews refer to this sacred ceremony of theirs, the lopping off of the foreskin. We gentiles in America are generally circumcised as infants, but we don't make a big deal out of it. These jews all stand around have a whole ritual dating back 4,000 years, it signifies their covenant with Elisha or some goatherding heeb from biblical times.

Mazel tov, its a BOY! The Jewish law is for the baby boy to be circumcised. We will cover the how, what, why and where in this article. Circumcision is a ceremony that must take place on the eighth day. If the baby is sick on that day, it becomes the doctors option.

The rite of circumcision welcomes the male child into the covenant of Abraham and Isaac. This practice is over 4,000 years old and has become so ancient and so ingrained that until recently, it would have been unthinkable not to perform a bris.

What Is A Bris?
A bris ceremony has two parts: the actual circumcision, and the naming. A rabbi joins the parents and close friends along with a specially trained person known as a 'model'.

The first part involves the mohel. Before doing this ceremony, a sterile gauze pad is dipped in alcohol and put in the child's mouth to suck to reduces any feeling of pain. Then the mohel puts a clamp over the tip of the penis and draws up the skin then uses the izmel, a 'knife' which is a metal blade - a cutting instrument - to remove the skin.

The second part of the ceremony involves the rabbi who gives the blessing, and gives the child his Hebrew name. This is usually an emotional part of the ceremony since it involves the naming of the child. The tradition of European Jews - the Ashkenazic people - has been to name the child after a deceased close relative or friend. They believe that this symbolizes a way to pass along our traditional names. Sephardic Jews often name the child after a living person.


Gomco Clamp
http://www.jdcc.org/1999/nov-dec/images/tool2.jpg

Magen Clamp
http://www.jdcc.org/1999/nov-dec/images/tool1.jpg

During the naming ceremony, seven honors are given to close family members and friends, who must be Jewish, by the parents of the male child. The first one, the 'kvatterin', goes to the godmother who receives the child from the mother and then passes the child to the godfather, 'kvatter'. The godfather then puts the baby on the chair of Elijah, 'kisei shel eliyahu'. The child is then given to the father imikisei l'yad ha-aav'. Then the father gives the baby to the person who is to hold the baby during the bris, 'Sandek'. After the bris, the sixth person who gets the baby for the blessing and the naming is 'Omed Al Harocho'. Lastly the baby who is probably crying aloud is given to the seventh person who says the blessing.

Some History

The Jewish rite of brit milah, 'covenant of circumcision' as it is said in Genesis and translated in the Art Scroll series Tanach "This is My covenant which you shall keep between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and that shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you. At the age of eight days every male among you shall be circumcised, throughout your generations -0 he that is born in the household or purchased with money shall surely be circumcised. Thus, My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. An uncircumcised male who will not circumcise the flesh of his foreskin - that should shall be cut off from its people; he has invalidated My covenant."

Abraham was circumcised when he was 99 years old. While recuperating, on the third day, he was in great pain, yet even being very old and in pain. Abraham lifted his eyes and saw three men. He did not realize it, but they were really angels. Abraham ran toward them. He only offered them a little bread and water, but he gave them a meal fit for a king. Afterwards, an angel spoke to Abraham. He told them that by next year, he and Sarah will become pregnant and have a baby boy. He was circumcised on the eighth day of his life and he was taught to circumcise his sons on the eighth day of their lives and "we continue to do this dor l'dor, from generation to generation, ... and this is why we are here: to continue this contract with your son..."

Most circumcisions use either of the two following methods - the 'Magen cramp' which involves pulling the foreskin through the opening then cutting the skin. The other, called a 'Gomco clamp', involves putting a thimble-like device over the tip of the penis, drawing up the skin around the thimble, then removing the skin.

What If...

If the child is sick, the usual 8th day tradition can be rescheduled.

It is considered a major honor if the child is born on try Sabbath. If the child, however, is not delivered through natural methods i.e. cesarean section on the Sabbath, the bris ceremony can not take place until the following day. When a method that is not considered natural is selected, there is control over when it can take place so for a "nonnatural" method to take place on the Sabbath is not considered appropriate.

Males wanting to convert to Judaism have to be circumcised as part of their conversion ceremony.
Opposition?

Generally circumcision is not controversial although there are some people who oppose circumcision because they think it is a traumatic experience for the child. They think circumcision should be abolished on the grounds that it was antiquated and barbaric. Most medical authorities, however, disagree stating that millions of Jews and non-Jews have been circumcised without any ill effect.Finding A Mohel
Before the baby is born, the parents may want to ask their friends and local Rabbi for suggestions, even if the parents do not know whether the child will be a male.

The mohel is a person who has received specialized training in the medical and ritual aspects of the bris. Jewish law specifies that one should choose a mohel who is noted not only for his technical skills but also for his reputation. Your local rabbi will usually be able to refer you to a mohel.

The mohel doing his thing. Oy, the deed is done, now for the mohel's fees.
http://www.jdcc.org/1999/nov-dec/images/ritual.jpg

You know the real-deal jewish mohels actually suck the blood from the freshly-cut penis of the infant?
Here's the proof:
http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/mohel-1a.jpg

I am kind enough not to mention to people here what has been done to our North American brethren. (Yes, the Canucks are exposed to it as well, we mustn't forget.) Wouldn't want to give you guys a bad reputation. Horrendous practice, horrendous. "Sanitary reasons" my foot! How difficult is it to push back the foreskin in the shower? Can't understand how this was invented; what foul mind would come up with such a procedure. Why not cut off the ears while you're at it? This shows that people usually don't think, they simply do what everybody else does, even when it comes to cutting away pieces of their own child.

"Nope, still weighs too much to pass as hand luggage. Lemme see, no hair, and all clean from dirt ... could we cut away something, perhaps?"


Btw, I think the first circumcision was actually the beheading of Jews by fed-up Whites and Arabs in the Middle East. When the beheadings ended the remaining Jews were on the one hand glad to be alive, but on the other hand they missed having something to whine about, so they gave themselves a "mini-beheading" for Christmas.

. . . .and now you know!

No one has mentioned what the mohel does with the blood he sucks off the fresh cut penis. He spits it out into a glass of wine which is then shared by the attendees.
What kind of alcohol are they giving an 8 day old? Furnishing intoxicants to minors? Oh, they get a pass for religious observation eh?

I say skip the snip. The skin in question is basically the skin around your penis head that forms a ring around (for the circumcised). Absent the cut, it would just be longer, and cover up the head more. It really is a "circum-cision," as in, they cut around. Google it for some graphic shots.

Do it to reclaim our people. If I have a son, he will not be mutilated like I am.

Skip the snip, nice phrase. This is the way to go. I made the wrong choice once, before crazy Lizzie and her foreskinner series of VNN articles-- remember those? and if I'm ever blessed with another son he'll be kept intact.