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Derrick Beukeboom
July 26th, 2004, 11:59 PM
This is just my personal feelings on more than a few random subjects within the Racialist movement.
The VNNF is ever so slowly becoming less appealing to read. I feel this creeping sense of stormfrontism moving in. No, not in any egotistical censoring by others or like the nonstop gossiping along the lines of a racialist aol IM that SF became, but rather in a boring, stupid, crass, conspiracy minded, simple minded thoughts by average minds.

Yea, the jews hate Whites. Yea, the jews control the US fed govt and the mass media. Yea, America is headed on the fast track to the scrap heap.
So, what is your point?
More importantly, what are you going to do about this?

Some of the things I read on here don't make me feel much better about our prospects. Take for instance some of the thoughts regarding 9-11 on here. It actually really does not matter if 9-11 was a total hoax, a partial hoax or just the govt. covering up for any prior knowledge they may have had. Or covering up their own ineptitude in preventing it from happening.
It does not really matter what the stone cold truth is. Maybe, just maybe, it went off like this: muslims who hate the Israeli-America alliance( not unjustifiably) pulled off a few highjackings of comerical planes and flew them into buildings.
Possible?

Even if Israel knew that something like this would happen (probably likely), why would they tell the US govt and why would any of you be surprised?
Even if the US zog is covering up even more, why would you be shocked?
Do you honestly expect them to be 100% honest?

Allow me to be candid regarding this subject of 9-11 if I may. Some of you are freakin psychotics. There is way too much conspriacy minded hogwash on here that even if it has some truth to it, doesn't really matter.
99% of Americans think 9-11 was a vicious crime aimed at "innocent americans". To state otherwise is just plain counter-productive at best, moronically ignorant and stupid at worst.

Personally, I don't really care about 9-11 per se. Just another battle in a religious war. Impressive by any objective measure that they (whoever 'they' are ) were able to pull it off.
I'm just getting sick of reading silly putty posts regarding this subject.
Yes, I know full well that the jews got something big out of 9-11 happening.
And?
By stating conspiracy minded wishful thinking about 9-11 you are just swimming against the stream. Are you trying to win people over or drive them away? Sometimes I'm not sure what some of your points are trying to convey.
Yea, even IF your conspriacy has some truth to it, it doesn't really matter. You'll NEVER be able to prove it or more importantly, have people believe it and admit it.
It's like our whole mindset is set on a faulty premise.
Yes, America was created and founded by Whites for Whites.
Yet, all we are now is just another ethnic group in this multicultural cess tank of the 'Kwa. The old America is over, has been over for some time now!
We are just another group, white chocolate in the candy store amongst all the other flavors. We have our own shelf. Just like the caramel does, the milk chocolate, dark chocolate, cocoa, etc. does as well.

The fantasies of just rising up to take back the candy store and throw out all the others is just that - fantasy.
Don't think I'm being defeatist either. It is our reality, we must accept this, maybe carve out our own niche, raise racial consciousness to a tribal level once more, create some loyalty.
I think this is a achievable goal, probably likely as well.

But, some of this 'down with the judeo system' ranting is just fantasy.
Systems don't crumble over night, but fall slowly over time.
People muddle on as best they can and learn like a trained K9 what is expected of them as things change and/or degenerate.

Deep down inside, the competing ethnic groups realize that we Whites do NOT control the country anymore in the traditional sense. The power lies within the corporate/capitalistic class. Whites, as an entity among themselves don't control anything anymore. Maybe we never did anyway. Racial truths were just assumed so the whoel racial rivalry never even had to come into play.
The jews do no doubt have their fair share of power. Not because the 'jews control America', but because the jews are clever and come out ahead no matter what. Hedging along to make sure they have a stake in almost everything.
Clever strategy indeed.

But the Whites are not all innocent gentiles manipulated by the evil jews either. The jews have many helping hands. Let me put it this way: I have been to many countries where there are few jews at all (Ireland, Norway, Denmark, Holland), but they are just as motivated to become brown as we are here i nthe US, more so in some instances.
If you want to place the blame on the jews, fine. But, blame the weak, often self imposed mindset of many White Ayrans as well. The jew may lead a horse to water, but he can't make them drink......it is up to the horse to drink up.
We have collectively been drinking the jews water for years now.
When we say our side of the story, our own tribesmen laugh at us and turn their backs on us. Easy to blame the out group. But the in group deserves it's fair shair of criticism as well.

Days of ridding oursleves of the parasitc jews may one day come to fruition, but I 'm not optimistic because we have illustrated no desire we want to do this as a whole.
We will have to learn to live with them, maybe carve out out our own niche as just another competing group amongst all the others.
Look at the statistics: we are in some serious decline and fast. I highly doubt some savior will come to save the day and all of a sudden we as a race will collectively do a 180 and turn around in time.
If we have not changed by now, why do you think we will soon?

It's painful to admit, but we have our own to blame as well.

Let's try to raise the bar on discourse here and stop reading and responding to idiotic nonsensical posts.
I want to see the cutting edge thoughts of VNN like it was around 2002.

The Barrenness
July 27th, 2004, 12:22 AM
Wow, great post. very well said.

Derrick Beukeboom
July 27th, 2004, 12:51 AM
Yes, no doubt that the jews have collectively infiltrated the University system to further along their mantra of multiculturalism good, homogeneous societies bad.
It's simple: jews do what's good for the jews.
What is so frustrating about this is that they are so good at it!

Do we no think that blacks do what's good for blacks?
Hispanics do what's good for hispanics as well.
Surprised?
I'm not.
The sad truth is that jews just happen to be the best at this self preservation ideology that all groups adhere to to some degree.

Whites?
We are good at killing each other and being greedy for material items we think will make us more fulfilled
I sometimes read on here that "the jews started WW2".
Does anyone really believe this?
And if so why?

Besides, if the jews really "started WW2" than we deserve it. To be that stupid to almost destroy the whole white world?
America has changed. The old America so quaint and so White will never be coming back. Talks of systems falling and knocking down the judeo zog system is silly in my opinion.
Worse is not better, just worse.
There is no magical critical point where boom, all of a sudden it all turns around and VNN becomes as popular as CNN.
Look at the geographic areas of America that have already been lost to the nonwhites: parts of LA, Miami, FL, downtown Detriot, San Antonio, etc. What did the Whites in those areas do? They either learned to live with it or moved away.

Where was the fighting back?
The jew system is propped up, but it is not only propped up by white hating jews.
You have planty of white hating whites!
Plenty of money loving whites.

It's easy and it is correct to cite the Boasian ideology, Frankfurt school, 60's style University imposed equality and things of that nature. But, we Aryans had our own schools of thought as well. For wahtever reason, they lost out in the competition for minds and hearts.
I think because the jews promise dollars and material items as well.

Whites are often part of their own predicament.
I'd say tone donw the revolutionary system changing spirit, focus on more natural, healthy, pro-environmental, White spiritualism. This is non-threatening, easier to package and swallow for the masses.
The masses don't like blood and violence.

Got to give the people what they want sometimes.

John in Woodbridge
July 27th, 2004, 01:12 AM
Excellent post. Certainly Jews are problem in the media, Hollywood, and areas of government, but I don't think is productive to elevate them to a status of almost superhuman abilities.

No, most of the problems concerning the white race are caused by elements within the white race. If we would clean up our own house, the Jews would be irrelevant.

Whirlwind
July 27th, 2004, 05:49 AM
Trash post.
Your post is what is wrong here. Expecting miracles is covered elsewhere. The Iraq war was started on false pretenses. The 9/11 story needs addressed for that if no other reason. If you are content with the government version, you are horribly naive.
Truth is the strongest solvent.
If you're bored, leave.

Kievsky
July 27th, 2004, 06:44 AM
Derek,

Have you considered real world activities as an alternative to posting for hours on a forum? Maybe the problem isn't the forum, but it's your life style.

I'd write more, but there's real world things I got to do. I like the forum just fine.

Rob

The Final Solution
July 27th, 2004, 08:02 AM
It's easy and it is correct to cite the Boasian ideology, Frankfurt school, 60's style University imposed equality and things of that nature. But, we Aryans had our own schools of thought as well. For wahtever reason, they lost out in the competition for minds and hearts.


Interesting post and esp. this comment. As with all things (I suppose), our strengths are our weaknesses. It seems to me that the same "Faustian," truth-seeking spirit that has given us so many great achievements may have also made us singularly gullible to bad (unnatural) ideas such as these and more. True wisdom often fares poorly in the "marketplace of ideas," and higher education often imparts not "critical thinking" skills but intellectual cultism. In 'Kwa the class struggle has always been savagely fought in the faculty house, not the union hall, and we have here fancy notions of equality that are viewed with amusement (at best) by the Asians we have always considered "backward."

Politico
July 27th, 2004, 08:46 AM
I feel that much of the original post rings true. However, I feel that it is imperative to mention the role that the "love of guilt" plays in understanding why the white race allows and even enables it's own destruction through the "browning" process.

I am saying nothing not already said, but if the white race were to suddenly shed the burden or feeling responsible for all the world's problems, I would guess that we would be much less likely to allow detrimental influences to invade our existence.

The Jews may not be our primary problem at this juncture, but they certainly feed the fire of guilt and nurture the lack of desire of the white race to unify.

I have never felt that this forum was the instrument of our salvation, nor have I taken it as seriously as some others, but it serves it's purpose well enough as far as I am concerned.

blueskies
July 27th, 2004, 09:26 AM
As the Mexican and Chinese invasion, and colonization, accelerates, it no longer is relevant who is a jew and who is not. The real war is where Chinese are occupying key positions all over American in direct competition with the jews. The Mexicans are occupying our territory and our main concern will not be some judeo-christian twat, (for they will be the list of the lot, eventually,the last of the lot), It will be the economy.

Antiochus Epiphanes
July 27th, 2004, 09:50 AM
good post derrick

two thoughts-

1- what kievsky said: think of things you can do in the real world to move the ball forward. use the vnnforum to come back occasionally and let us in on your progress. or if it's not fit to spell out in detail, at least share some of the lessons learned along the way.

2- propaganda style or content is not our problem. we have a veritable smorgasbord of propaganda ideas, interpretations, styles etc. what is lacking is real world networks, resources, and organization.

I personally agree with you about 9-11. I think Atta and co did it. But I think the Israelis were following them around. That is the story covered in the Carl Cameron series and the big story in Le Monde. What I have found is that nobody gives a shit. What moves the masses of asses is money and big structural incentives.

For example why do people emigrate from anywhere to anywhere? Two reasons basically, a) for money and b) to save their asses from destruction. Viz, the numbers of people pouring into to "help rebuilding Iraq." Why? Money. Arabs know this and yet they dont have money and so they're countering that with b.

For us, we have neither a nor b at hand. So we need to work on building resources, networks, and ultimately organization. We are a long ways off. Much hard work is here to do and more in the world than on the internet.

Raphael
July 27th, 2004, 12:26 PM
Excellent post. Certainly Jews are problem in the media, Hollywood, and areas of government, but I don't think is productive to elevate them to a status of almost superhuman abilities.

No, most of the problems concerning the white race are caused by elements within the white race. If we would clean up our own house, the Jews would be irrelevant.
Some white groups are more accomadating to the Jews than some other white groups. Some white groups are more likely to turn on eachother than others.

Think of the countries were Jews primarily have their power.

It isn't exactlty Portugal.

Raphael
July 27th, 2004, 12:31 PM
For example why do people emigrate from anywhere to anywhere? Two reasons basically, a) for money and b) to save their asses from destruction. Viz, the numbers of people pouring into to "help rebuilding Iraq." Why? Money. Arabs know this and yet they dont have money and so they're countering that with b.
If this was true, Saudi Arabia wouldn't support the Palestinians, because they suffer a lot monetarily for their support. Some individuals will sell their souls out for money and some won't.

The individuals that sell their soul's out usually come from northern areas.

Nordblod
July 27th, 2004, 12:31 PM
Some white groups are more accomadating to the Jews than some other white groups. Some white groups are more likely to turn on eachother than others.

Think of the countries were Jews primarily have their power.

It isn't exactlty Portugal.


Nor is it Botswana.

Antiochus Epiphanes
July 27th, 2004, 01:57 PM
If this was true, Saudi Arabia wouldn't support the Palestinians, because they suffer a lot monetarily for their support. Some individuals will sell their souls out for money and some won't.

The individuals that sell their soul's out usually come from northern areas.

This is the civil forum so dont start your nordmed schiess here. Moreover I could point to pleny of examples of "medish" system shabbos goys here such as one Giuliani.

Antiochus Epiphanes
July 27th, 2004, 02:01 PM
If this was true, Saudi Arabia wouldn't support the Palestinians, because they suffer a lot monetarily for their support. Some individuals will sell their souls out for money and some won't.

The individuals that sell their soul's out usually come from northern areas.


wrrrrrrrrrrong. firstly, the two factors I cited, money and danger, are what moves mass migrations. those, along with opportunities provided by technologies from the stirrup to the steamship.


secondly, Saudis are numerically few among Arabs so they're a poor example of anything. You're wrong anyhow, they dont suffer for the Pals a second. They really dont give a fig much for the Pals who at best can become gastarbeiters in Saudi like Paks or anybody else. But not Saudi citizens. They only support Pals to keep Israel slightly off balance. That is part of the reason bin Laden is growing in popularity, the Arab on the street knows that the Saudi royals calling the shots are a pretty kosher lot these days.

Sean Martin
July 27th, 2004, 03:25 PM
I have never felt that this forum was the instrument of our salvation, nor have I taken it as seriously as some others, but it serves it's purpose well enough as far as I am concerned.

There are some people who’s lives revolve around this forum, and if it closed they would probably go into depressed fits.

I greatly enjoy the forum but I don’t spend as much time on it as one would think. Usually it is running in the background while I am talking to someone or preparing for the next day.

As far as the original post goes I agree with you, it was great.

Fritz Kuhn
July 27th, 2004, 03:28 PM
That being said, it's certainly true that Jewish influence on the issue of race and culture plays a key part of the problem. Without the cultural influence of Freudian psychoanalysis (yes, I know it's been debunked but the influence remains), Boasian anthropology and the Frankfurt school, the issue of race would still be on the table. There would be no talk of races and cultures being equal. There would be no pathologizing of White ethnic identity.

Who controlled the abolitionist movement in the 18th century? Who freed the slaves in the US? Who composed the 14th Amendment? Who have declared that racism is a sin against Christ? Here's a hint - it wasn't the Jews and it had nothing to do with "Boasian anthropology".

Antiochus Epiphanes
July 27th, 2004, 03:42 PM
Who controlled the abolitionist movement in the 18th century? Who freed the slaves in the US? Who composed the 14th Amendment? Who have declared that racism is a sin against Christ? Here's a hint - it wasn't the Jews and it had nothing to do with "Boasian anthropology".

Judaized descendants of the Puritans, fanatic abolitionists including many a Presbyterian. The old Cromwellians. Yankees suffering from Judaized minds. So not Jews personally, but the influence of Jewish ideas can be felt right there. Jews have always wanted utopia on this Earth, and the traditional Christian idea of the imperfectibility of man has always rankled them. Calvinists and Cromwell's Puritan supporters were Judaizers: they got rid of the King in favor of the strict Republic (like Presbyterians getting rid of the Pope in favor of the "elders" ie Presbyters which are more akin to a council of rabbis) they instituted the "blue laws" to force people not to drink and so forth (shades of later WCTCU) and would have gone farther towards disturbing property rights if they would have had the chance. That chapter was taken up later by another group of fanatical utopian Judaizers, the Marxists.

Franco
July 27th, 2004, 07:10 PM
If you want to place the blame on the jews, fine. But, blame the weak, often self imposed mindset of many White Ayrans as well. The jew may lead a horse to water, but he can't make them drink......it is up to the horse to drink up.
We have collectively been drinking the jews water for years now.
When we say our side of the story, our own tribesmen laugh at us and turn their backs on us. Easy to blame the out group. But the in group deserves it's fair shair of criticism as well.



Well, let's be fair to Whites.

Yes, Whites are partly to blame for the mess that the West is in. However, Sally Shops-A-Lot has no idea:

1) what Jews really are [a race of con artists and race-baiters]

2) that Jews really do control major power centers in the West [e.g. media, Hollywood]

3) how such Jewish control impacts her and her family

Who is going to tell Sally Shops-A-Lot about the Judenvarmints? No one, except us. And when we do tell her, she believes that we are Super-Duper Evil Nazis, because the Judenvarmints and their buddies have trained her to think that way by mentioning "Auschwitz" many times per day via movies, newspapers, magazines and TV shows.

So let us hopefully not blame Whites too harshly. Whites do not have an automatic, 24/7, paranoid race radar like Jews do. Some Whites do, but most do not. That fact must be considered. When it comes to playing the race game, Jews are experts.

[The point above is so important to WN ideology as a whole that I may repeat it and sticky it somewhere for the benefit of newbies, if A. L. allows it].

John in Woodbridge
July 27th, 2004, 07:41 PM
So let us hopefully not blame Whites too harshly. Whites do not have an automatic, 24/7, paranoid race radar like Jews do. Some Whites do, but most do not. That fact must be considered. When it comes to playing the race game, Jews are experts.

[The point above is so important to WN ideology as a whole that I may repeat it and sticky it somewhere for the benefit of newbies, if A. L. allows it].

This is true, but thinking back to the Wichita Massacre, where a group of whites were slaughtered by blacks. The white males offered no resistance to the n*****s. I'm not suggesting that they reflect the majority of whites, but a substantial amount.

Whites have grown soft. Dr. Pierce knew this and gave broadcasts about this often.
[Edited by Demonica- This is the Civil Forum]

blueskies
July 27th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Samuel Adams was disgusted by Charles Thomson's design for The Great Seal of the United States, which Adams decried as a "tawdry Freemasonic device". He was entirely correct, although I would not say "tawdry", but "Satanic", for that is what Freemasonry is. On the left or sinister side of the "Great Seal", just above the evil eye or all-seeing eye, we see the words in Latin, "Annuit coeptis", which translates as "He approves our work." Who is "He"? Since Charles Thomson was a Freemason, we can refer to Albert Pike, a very high-ranking Freemason who was involved in the building of the Washington Monument and the Ku Klux Klan. Pike said in a treatise to his fellow Freemasons: "Be it known unto the brethren of the 30th and 31st degrees, that Freemasonic doctrine must be preserved in its LUCIFERIAN purity." Now that we know who "He" is, we can also understand why Freemasons have told me that "U.S.A." really means, "Under Satan's Administration". If we deem killing the White Race to be Satanic, then the truth is obvious. Freemasons are not only Satanists, but they are jew-supremacists, that is, Zionists, who love to serve the jews as their loyal slaves, according to their mythology of "Hiram Abiff", the mythical master-builder of the mythical King Solomon, whose temple has never been located. Now, this mumbo-jumbo emanates from the jews' Babylonian Talmud and the written Kaballa therein, which we recognize as "black magic". I will not go much deeper into the foul morass of jewish mythology, but, according to The Talmud, if one is going to commit a crime against someone, he must eventually, "make all things manifest" to the victim. If the victim does nothing in his own defense, or even forgives the criminal, then the guilt for the crime passes onto the victim! That's why jews shout, "Never forgive. Never forget!" Christ-eaters are taught to "forgive", and since Christianity was made up by jews who knew their Talmud, we can recognize Christianity as Judaism for Gentiles, just as tyrants teach others to be slaves. Below the pyramid on the sinister side of "The Great Seal" are the words in Latin: "Novus ordo seclorum." This translates as "New World Order." In small Roman numerals above that, on the base of the pyramid, is 1776. To declare a "New World Order" means that our founders' intention was to conquer the world, ever since 1776. Successive gangster governments in the U.S.A. have accused others of intending to "conquer the world", although there is no evidence, say, that Hitler declared that to be his intention, whereas we openly stated our world-conquest intention on our "Great Seal" from the very beginning of this regime's existence!

The "dollar sign" is itself a Freemasonic symbol, for what does an "S" superimposed upon two upright lines mean? Freemasons have explained that the "S" represents The Snake of Solomon, and that the two upright lines represent the pillars of Solomon's Temple. The Snake also represents Satan. The "dollar sign" is the least representative symbol for "dollar", and we can readily see that other currencies are more representative, such as the pound, schilling, lira, Krona, ruble, etc. The new Euro has a more representative symbol than the dollar, which should really be some sort of modified "D", rather than an "S" with two vertical lines.

Charles Thomson was secretary at the signing of The Declaration of Independence, and halfjew, Alexander Hamilton was George Washington's aid, and the first Secretary of Treasury, who put us right back into the British Empire with his incorporation of the First U.S. Bank, which used Bank of England currency in its reserves. The Federal Reserve destroyed U.S. sovereignty, that is, self-government, in 1913, with the passage of The Federal Reserve Act, which illegally transferred monetary power from Congress to a private bank run by jews. As I said previously, the U.S.A. has never been a nation, nor a democracy. Nor is it a sovereign country. It is in fact a plutocracy (rule by the rich) and that plutocracy is principally jewish, and has always been anti-White. The fact that evil is old does not make it 'good'. Whites here are actually living on enemy territory, and this fact will become more manifest as time goes by. The edifice of evil erected by my ancestors is immense, but the least I can do is to denounce it as the evil it is. I hope you do not find my words too trite or tedious, but I do say that we have a whole lot of work ahead of us. All the best!
"Eric Thomson"

Fritz Kuhn
July 27th, 2004, 08:38 PM
This is true, but thinking back to the Wichita Massacre, where a group of whites were slaughtered by blacks. The white males offered no resistance to the n*****s. I'm not suggesting that they reflect the majority of whites, but a substantial amount.

Whites have grown soft. Dr. Pierce knew this and gave broadcasts about this often.

This is the awful truth - if the crime had happended 200 years ago, every n****r in Wichita would have been lynched. If it had happended 100 years ago the perpetrators would have been lycnhed and the black neighborhood burned. Today, white clergymen, politicians and the media (jewish or not) declares that race had nothing to do with the crime and anyone who says otherwise is attacked is a hater and bigot.
[Edited by Demonica- Civil Forum rules]

Fritz Kuhn
July 27th, 2004, 08:44 PM
Who is going to tell Sally Shops-A-Lot about the Judenvarmints? No one, except us.

Sally may understand that Jews are dishonest and grotesque, but she also knows that the Jew isn't going to physically harm her or her family. Sadly, the same can't be said about many of "us". Read some of the posts above (e.g. El Duce) and you can imagine some scary people who would send poor Sally running in the the opposite direction.

Franco
July 27th, 2004, 09:21 PM
Sally may understand that Jews are dishonest and grotesque, but she also knows that the Jew isn't going to physically harm her or her family. Sadly, the same can't be said about many of "us". Read some of the posts above (e.g. El Duce) and you can imagine some scary people who would send poor Sally running in the the opposite direction.



Who unleashed the negro onto American society via the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Jews. Who created most civil-rights laws? Jews. Who birthed Brown v. Board of Education? Jews. Who made negroes seem 'just like us, only with darker skin' in movies, TV shows and magazines? Jews.

America: Jewed.


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John in Woodbridge
July 27th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Who unleashed the negro onto American society via the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Jews. Who created most civil-rights laws? Jews. Who birthed Brown v. Board of Education? Jews. Who made negroes seem 'just like us, only with darker skin' in movies, TV shows and magazines? Jews.


Even if we acknowledge that are problems are caused by Jews, the question has to come around to "Now what?". Identifying Jews as the problem is only half of the equation. There needs to be some type of remedy.

Fritz Kuhn
July 27th, 2004, 10:48 PM
Who unleashed the negro onto American society via the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Jews. Who created most civil-rights laws? Jews. Who birthed Brown v. Board of Education? Jews. Who made negroes seem 'just like us, only with darker skin' in movies, TV shows and magazines? Jews.

America: Jewed.

Brown v. Board of Ed? The Supreme Court was 8 WASPs and a Jew. Civil Rights Laws? Maybe a half dozen Jews in Congress at the time, out of hundreds. The media? For every Jewish owned newspaper there are 5 owned by non-Jews. The ugly truth is that all Jews in the US couldn't have accompished these evils unless the whites business owners, politicians, judges, newsmen etc. decided to go along quietly.

Fritz Kuhn
July 28th, 2004, 01:52 AM
You're neglecting the fact that highly organized and very well funded Jewish lobby organizations got the Civil Rights laws passed. Money talks, especially when you've got broadcast media (radio and television) on your side.

Lobbiest don't vote. It was the white men of Congress and the white man in the White House who passed those laws. Almost every northern politician - WASP, Italian, Irish, Greek, Pole, Slav etc. supported civil rights for blacks.
Here's something from today's news you may find interesting. It's the obituary of a powerful old time Italian politician in New York.

"At his apogee in the 1950's, Mr. De Sapio was credited with handpicking Robert F. Wagner Jr. as mayor of New York City and W. Averell Harriman as governor of New York State. Pundits in Washington asserted that the Tammany boss had the muscle to name the Democratic candidate for president. Time magazine put Mr. De Sapio on its cover as a national political force to be feared and admired. And at fund-raising dinners, favor-seekers would push past Governor Harriman and Mayor Wagner to shake the hand of Mr. De Sapio, whom they viewed as the most powerful politician in the room."

And like most Democrats at the time, he was a big supporter of racial equality:

"Mr. De Sapio burnished his liberal credentials by naming the first Puerto Rican district leader in Manhattan, Anthony Mendez, and by backing Hulan Jack as Manhattan's first African-American borough president."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/28/obituaries/28desapio.html

Derrick Beukeboom
July 28th, 2004, 02:07 AM
Lots of substantive thoughts here.
Yes, the jews have and will continue to put forth their agenda first.
As all groups do, with the exception of the Whites who are still stuck in reverse.
It's in the jews' interest to prevent any positive racialist identity to gain a foothold in the White mind.
But, my basic point is that the jews' are not all powerful entities who are untouchable. They are very touchable and it is other groups who currently take on the jews' for all their worth [muslims/arabs, militant blacks].
That is the good news.
Any heat that can be put upon the jews' is good. Doesn't matter where the heat is coming from. Keep in mind though that militant blacks, muslims and arabs should not be confused as allies.
They are not.
However, there can be a mutual beneficial arrangement whereas we come to some sort of truce amongst these competitors to deal with the jews' for the time being.

Yet, we must give credit to where credit is due. The jews are damn clever.
For the last 10 years or so, they have made a major power play on the fundamentalist Chrisitans in the US. Unfortunatly, this group is a large and politicially powerful one. And guess what? These fundamentalist xthians are mostly White!
Oh, those clever jews'.

The irony is that when 'people of color' name the jew, it is often overlooked or the ammo the jews' use in bad mouthing them is utterly useless against these people because the 'people of color' are seen as the victims and do not have as much power and influence as the jews'.
Jews are clever, but have spun so many lies and hypocricies that it can all unraval at any time.
More good news.

Yet, the fundamental problem is that Whites have practically ZERO racial consciousness.
Until this issue is addressed, it is doesn't matter what else the jews pull out of their hat.
jews do have money, power, media control, university control and are experts at playing the racial game.
They've had to do this for over 5000 years. Why wouldn't they be masters at it by now?

It is imperative that we racial conscious Whites focus our attention on building up our racial capital and stop acting like poor old victims from the evil jews'.
I'm not saying don't mention the jews plans.
But in how many ways can we say this?
Build racial interest amongst the Whites and you will see things really take off.
Yes, the jews will fight it tooth and nail as they have always. Please don't be surprised by it.

I can only speak for myself.
I was always fascinated by European history, euro culture, WW2 and things of that nature.
No one gave me a flyer or a chat about the "evil jews" or gave me a website to look up.
It was a long process.
You can say I was blessed to be interested in white racial issues since I was very young. Learning about our plight just comes naturally with time if one has an interest in related materials.

We're not selling a used car here. It is blood and soil and we must accept that this will not interest everyone. Many of our 'kinsmen' do not give a crap about our race, nation and future.
You can say it was the jews who taught them to be this way.
To a small degree yes.
But, they would've been interested in other things just as well if we were living in 1823 America too.
Then, you'd say it was those evil bankers brainwashing them to buy material goods.

It's semantics.
As dangerous as the jews may be, we are mostly our own worst enemy.
Go and travel a bit, meet others from all over the world, you'll see for yourself.

Sean Martin
July 28th, 2004, 04:15 AM
The media? For every Jewish owned newspaper there are 5 owned by non-Jews.

Jews own every major newspaper NY times Washington post ect.

See Who rules America on national vanguard.

So what if 5 people own newspapers that collectively don't have the readership as the Dear abbey section of the Jew York times.

That is like saying if a Aryan owns five 1982 chevy citations to a Jews Porsche so that makes him more powerful.

Fredrik Haerne
July 28th, 2004, 05:02 AM
Jews own every major newspaper NY times Washington post ect.


Indeed, they control the Washington Post, the NY Times, the Wall Street Journal -- these three alone set the tone for other newspapers. And of course, the Jews control many, many more newspapers not only in the U.S. but in Europe as well: Britain, Sweden, Poland are just three examples of countries where Jews dominate the media. (In Britain, the newspapers are controlled by American companies; in Poland, a Jewess who moved over from America and who was armed with funds from American Jews could easily eat most of the major newspapers.)

And even more important is the artificial reality created by Hollywood, which reaches every single White country in the world, every TV channel, Jew-owned or not, in all those countries Derrick Beukerboom mentioned. It doesn't matter that there aren't many Jews in Denmark; they import the Jew's products.

But as a matter of fact, the newspapers in Denmark are less Jew-controlled than the newspapers in Sweden, and so the debate on mass immigration is much freer in Denmark, which has helped put the Danske Folkeparti in a position of power. See there a clear example of how a smaller Jewish presence leads to more White awareness.

About the liberal Whites: in every generation there will be a small number of Whites who are liberal-minded, no matter how healthy and conservative the society they live in. But this small minority was almost never able to have much influence on a country, not on its own. Likewise, the Jews on their own could not have done much harm. It was when these two were combined that we had trouble; the liberal-minded opened the door for the Jews, and suddenly there was a large, combined group ready to wreck nations through communism, through socialism, through the media.

We can't get rid of that liberal-minded minority; it will come back again and again. But we can get rid of the Jews. Like Derrick says, it takes time, and the halls of unholiness won't be stormed tomorrow. So what to do? You need some organizations and some media that keep the whole truth alive, for when it can be used. But these orgs and media will never be very big; a National Alliance or a VNN will never have many followers, not now, so don't see the small growth of these as a failure. You also need a "softer" nationalism, an anti-immigration party, that gathers large numbers of Whites, and helps them think in nationalist terms. Is there really no such party in the United States?

Derrick describes how his interest in things European and White led to his racial and anti-Jewish awareness. This is what a "soft" White Party can do for those who don't look for information on their own like we do; it can be a first, important step, reaching millions. If the Front National can gather twenty percent of the White vote in France, then so can an anti-immigrant party in the U.S. Both countries have a winner-takes-all system of senators, so clearly that is not an insurmountable problem. Even if you don't take the presidency this way you sure reach a lot of Whites with your message, preparing them until that day when they are poor and a minority and pressed to take action.

Franco
July 28th, 2004, 07:09 PM
Read this:

http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?t=618







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John in Woodbridge
July 28th, 2004, 08:41 PM
Some of belief system of Jews stated in that forum is that Jews believe they are a superior race and don't believe of marriage outside their own. But the fact is that in the last few decades many Jews have married whites and the Jew gene has been watered down in the offspring.

A Morris Dees is easily identifiable as a threat to whites, but would the offspring of Michael Douglas (part-Jew) and a Catherine-Zeta Jones have the same propensity for destruction as a Morris Dees?

Even if one believes that this is the case, most of these individuals appear white, act white, and are most likely accepted by the white community as white.

Would a WN be able to convince the white masses that these individuals are the devil incarnate?

These are practical questions that need to be addressed.

blueskies
July 28th, 2004, 09:45 PM
If a jew is a tri-racial mixture and mates with one who is not, then the offspring still is a tri-racial mixture, and hence a jew.
Hex of the day;" jews 2% whites 70%.

John in Woodbridge
July 28th, 2004, 09:50 PM
If a jew is a tri-racial mixture and mates with one who is not, then the offspring still is a tri-racial mixture, and hence a jew.
Hex of the day;" jews 2% whites 70%.

Let's assume that Jew mixes with a white, their offspring mixes with white, and each offspring from each subsequent generation mixes with a white. This goes on for 50 generations. Would the offspring at the end still be a Jew?

blueskies
July 28th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Let's assume that Jew mixes with a white, their offspring mixes with white, and each offspring from each subsequent generation mixes with a white. This goes on for 50 generations. Would the offspring at the end still be a Jew?Few people have difficulty in recognizing a mulatto when they see one. If, for example, in 1507 A.D., ' got serviced by some jew stud, and bore a son Hammer who happened to be in your family tree, you might be charged with having jew genes in your blood. That's about 25 generations ago. Each generation would halve that percent of Afro all other things considered equal. That's ½ to the 25th power. In other words, you'd be 1 part out of 34,000,000 Afro. By what bit of could anyone describe you as being "part jew? Genes are discrete and if you choose to break them up into smaller particles, you'll still have particles, and particles do not fuse. They are either there or they are not.

John in Woodbridge
July 28th, 2004, 10:10 PM
Few people have difficulty in recognizing a mulatto when they see one. If, for example, in 1507 A.D., ' got serviced by some jew stud, and bore a son Hammer who happened to be in your family tree, you might be charged with having jew genes in your blood. That's about 25 generations ago. Each generation would halve that percent of Afro all other things considered equal. That's ½ to the 25th power. In other words, you'd be 1 part out of 34,000,000 Afro. By what bit of could anyone describe you as being "part jew? Genes are discrete and if you choose to break them up into smaller particles, you'll still have particles, and particles do not fuse. They are either there or they are not.

If you go back far enough all of the different races have the same ancestor, so the most nordic speciman will still be considered part black?

blueskies
July 28th, 2004, 10:21 PM
If you go back far enough all of the different races have the same ancestor, so the most nordic speciman will still be considered part black? Behaviour tell's all, and that will be the main test.

blueskies
July 29th, 2004, 04:35 PM
The basic White gene pool is not that free of adulteration but that's no reason to continue down breeding for the end of the road is obliteration. Thus, we should consider the effect one's genetic contamination has on overall behavior. In a general sense, a 5% adulteration would probably be an upper limit for those serious about improving our stock.

Fredrik Haerne
July 30th, 2004, 09:21 AM
The antis like to play that game, come up with the most unprobable and rare mixes they can find and ask "would this be a White or not"? Done in the schools and in the media. They hope to find an audience too afraid or too tired to answer, and then they can claim that just because you are unsure of how to define the borders exactly, then there are no borders!

But let's make one thing clear: just because borders sometimes are hard to define doesn't mean they don't exist. Noone even knows the exact border between his own country and its neighbors, inch by inch, but they still don't have any problem determining which town belongs to which country.

Antiochus Epiphanes
July 30th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Some of belief system of Jews stated in that forum is that Jews believe they are a superior race and don't believe of marriage outside their own. But the fact is that in the last few decades many Jews have married whites and the Jew gene has been watered down in the offspring.
.........These are practical questions that need to be addressed.

At first this can seem Talmudic: who is a Jew is not always a simple question.

However there are rules and appling them, it's easy to sort out 99% of the time. To start, understand that Judism is a composite of ancestry and religious-cultural practice.

Thus a White with no Jew ancestry practicing the Jew religion is a Jew. They are a convert. Their children will be regarded as jews, even though they may never be cohanim. See below. There are plenty of Jews out there with very hybrid ancestry which is how you have Jews that mimic all racial phenotypes. Mostly its safe to assume, if they count themselves as Jews they certainly are. If they have lived as Christians for generations and are ignorant of their Jew ancestry, and do not live like Jews, they are not Jews. If they profess Christianity but keep alive their Jew ancestry by remembering it and marrying other crypto Jews, they are not Christians they are Marranos or what used to be called "secret Jews." Marranos are good for Jews, bad for us. They are a special category.

In a way all Jews are hybrids. But for Jews, if your mother is a Jew youre a Jew, so long as youre not a Christian. That is the basic frame.

The cohanim require mother and father to be a Jew to be cohanim; so mischlinges may still be regarded Jews but not Cohanim.

A mischlinge Jew practicing Jude religion is a Jew; a mischlinge Jew that is a non-Christian (like Lenin) is a Jew. A hybrid Jew that professes a genuine belief and practice of traditional Christianity, has transgressed Judaism and may be "expelled" from Jewry by other Jews. Spinoza is a good historical example of this.

I do not rule out that a hybrid Jew can be genuinely converted to traditional form of Christianity and thus deJew themselves. However they have to live as a non-Jew. So therefore no matter that Israel Shamir is a convert to Orthodoxy he still clearly identifies as a Jew and is a citizen of Israel. Thus he remains a Jew for all his criticisms of Jews.

Much of this was codified in Nuremberg 35 laws which are pretty close to the halacha, and wisely appreciates that Judism is not merely an ancestry group/ethnicity but is a religious-cultural phenomenon as well.

Whirlwind
July 30th, 2004, 01:34 PM
Nice post about exactly who the jews are. Not as simple a question as it sounds. You nailed this one A.E.

blueskies
July 30th, 2004, 04:02 PM
It is well observed that people, and many critters, can alter their behavior as a survival mechanism. Bears certainly alter their behavior when encroaching humanoids favor them with garbage dumps. Black people certainly alter their behavior in a White society but when the White influence/environment vanishes, its back to doing what comes naturally. cat, when allowed free reign outside the human environment, soon goes feral, that is, it becomes exactly what a cat is -- a nasty little carnivore. If humans ignored totally the dogs within their midst, they'd soon find them forming packs and hunting down their food, that is, the breeds capable of surviving without human handouts. portion of our welfare population has the genetic backbone to survive when removed from the dole.
If there were no genes for feathers or wings, I doubt if any critter would inherit flying behavior. I certainly doubt that behavior is some isolated inherited attribute. However, I do believe that natural behavior follows directly from genetic composition. Empirical evidence indicates that behavior follows genotype regardless of the environment. The White man built upon these "fruited plains" something which was impossible for the "Indians", due to their genetic attributes. The best apartment dwellings are soon reduced to African squalor once the "underprivileged" move in. Urban blight is the result of natural negro behavior and it has nothing to do with poverty, racism or ozone holes. A raccoon acts like a raccoon because its genes shout "raccoon!" This WAS a White land. The mestizos, among others who are now colonizing vast regions, will ACT White only as long as it appears White people are in control. When that disappears, White people will be living in mestizo land and I do not think many of us will enjoy that anymore than White people now enjoy living in Black ruled Zimbabwe where the majority no longer looks black and acts white, but looks black and acts black. A chronology of behavior will reveal the true influence of one's genes. As social restraints weaken, humanoids will more and more revert to natural genetic behavior. We now see more and more black acting like black have always acted. More and more jews are now acting more jewish which certainly will not enhance their chances of survival. Birds of a feather will flock together. (jokes hexed of the day, jews population 2% whites 70%..) true population count is 8% of the jewish population, whites are under 50%, Id estimate 40%.

Franco
July 30th, 2004, 06:50 PM
Another problem is this: no one really knows how much Jewish genes [percentage-wise] it takes to influence a person's behavior -- 1/8? 1/16? At what point does one not "think like a Jew?"



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Whirlwind
July 30th, 2004, 06:55 PM
Hopefully this analysis extends to the Whites with enough gumption when TSHTF. Fashionable to say you are comfortable around blacks, but the reality may be quite different. Are niggers keeping their powder dry? Do they have any? The southwest already looks like a casualty. Does anyone really want to live there when the power goes off for the last time?
All of this depends on our retaining the freedom of movement. Boston's free speech zone is not a good sign, is it?

Antiochus Epiphanes
July 31st, 2004, 10:37 AM
Another problem is this: no one really knows how much Jewish genes [percentage-wise] it takes to influence a person's behavior -- 1/8? 1/16? At what point does one not "think like a Jew?"

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I think the genes in isolation of the Jude anti-culture/religion, are probably not that big of a deal. I doubt there is one "evil gene." It's probably a composite of genes and environment (its own self-generated environment created by the Jew cult and strategy) that makes the Jew.

You cant understand Judism in terms of genes alone. That is why sociobiology is the the master approach to decoding them.