Thoughts on the New South Africa

by Jeremy Willems

28 July 2004
South Africa apparently has a huge white population; something like 5 and a half million people by these statistics. (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html) What are they doing? What are their lives like? Are they trying to leave? Have their been any efforts to attain large-scale refugee status in America or England or the Netherlands for them?

I understand that a large number of farmers and members of farm families have been killed and that the crime and murder rate are high, but what about the rest of the population? Are they making any efforts to leave or separate themselves from the blacks and form their own enclave? How has the situation effected their mentality? Thinking it over, it seems like it can only have had a good effect on them.

Supposing even 100,000 of them have been killed, that still leaves many millions, living in harsh conditions, toughened by it, quite aware now of racial realities, and identifying stronger as a people than ever and with a heightened instinct for self-preservation. I have high hopes for South Africa and its whites, thanks to their unpleasant situation. What if a massive counter-movement arose in South Africa proclaiming a return to separation and an independent white area? Or, what if a large-scale effort in America or in some European country to grant the white South Africans refugee status succeeded? Imagine what a good influence these whites would be on the politics and attitudes of the societies that took them in.

After all, there are 5 and a half or so million whites in South Africa now who can't just be gotten rid of. They will end up somewhere. A chain of events has been started that has to play itself out. What this whole experiment in black rule has created, it seems to me, is a massive reservoir of racially conscious and hardened whites, who will be forced to think and act somewhere, at some time in their own interests -- something that whites in America and Europe don't yet have to do. Perhaps the whole anti-apartheid movement will turn out to have been a very bad idea for the Jews and liberals. Wanting to hurt the whites, they have in fact given them the very things they need to make them healthy again. Better if they'd just left them to rot in their own comfort and stew in the Jewish media juices, than throw their nation into chaos and force them to defend themselves and become vigilant. I don't see how this situation can turn out in any way except good.
Looking at the American racial situation, one notes that anywhere there is a substantial mixing of the races, anywhere whites come into contact with nonwhites, there is conflict and racial tension, racism. Anywhere whites actually interact with nonwhites they become aware of the characteristics and nature of nonwhites and either leave or stay and learn to defend themselves. South Africa's 5 and a half million whites are now in this situation, it would seem. How could they not now know the truth about race? How could they not now identify stronger than ever with their own kin? For them it is a matter of survival. What more could we wish than that we were all in an equivalent situation? How long before the whites begin to fight back, begin to take their destiny into their own hands? Who would stop them? Who would tell them they couldn't? Would they listen this time?

Does anyone reading this know anything about the situation in South Africa? Is there any prospect of a white revolt? Could it succeed? Or, what about a large-scale movement of white South Africans out of Africa and into Europe and America? What a blessing that would be to our countries, racially and politically. These people have to end up somewhere, and I doubt they'll let themselves be exterminated. There are just too many of them. Looking at it logically, the worse it gets for them, the harder it gets for them, the better it gets for them. What doesn't kill them will have to make them stronger. Will the world really stand by and allow 5.5. million people to be slaughtered -- more importantly, will they themselves allow it? Who will stop them when they get the idea to reassert themselves?

Could it be that those who wanted to destroy the white race in South Africa just forged a new white national group of 5.5 million into a decidedly racist mold? What a can of worms has been opened! What prospects, what good prospects! Thank you Jews! You have given us a gift that we cannot repay you for -- or, perhaps, the gift that will enable us to one day repay you in full! Let us hope South Africa will be the birth place of a new, hard white nation! Anyone who has any information on this subject, on the state of the white South Africans today, please share.

JEREMY WILLEMS

I have spent quite a bit of time in South Africa and even speak Afrikaans. What I see is white flight in a more defensive position. High walls around houses and elaborate security systems. In the Greenpoint area of Cape Town I saw 24 hour armed response trailers that house security guards ready to respond to a local break in or such. There are men that stand in large parking lots that do nothing else than watch the cars while the people go shopping.
We white people are good at adaptation so I see people adapting to the crime and complaining quite a bit.
The Afrikaner is made of tougher stuff thanthe English speaking whites. I see this segment as the hope for South African whites, bringing your 5million number down a little bit. The absolute best thing to see is lovely blonde women that would rather be dead than touch a black man. The white women in South Africa are some of the finest and most racially aware women you will ever see. It is really strange to see whites living in pretty much 1st world standards next to the most disease ridden crime prone blacks. I remember hanging out with friends at European style techno clubs full of whites feeling that it was just like Europe.
The rural areas are the hardest hit with the crime and according to some being a farmer there is the most dangerous profession in the world. Keep your eye on the Afrikaner because according to myself they are the toughest breed of white man on the planet right now.
I love the Dutch culture with a pioneer tint that the Afrikaners have. I personally think that the harsh conditions and the natural selection left them with the genetic resilience to be something great.

Are they trying to leave? Have their been any efforts to attain large-scale refugee status in America or England or the Netherlands for them?

Many are leaving - "The net migration of whites from South Africa has fallen to an estimated 11,000 in 2004 from 21,250 in 2003, 31,500 in 2002 and 41,750 in 2001, Statistics South Africa said on Tuesday."

http://www.bday.co.za/bday/content/direct/1,3523,1668265-6078-0,00.html

I understand that a large number of farmers and members of farm families have been killed and that the crime and murder rate are high, but what about the rest of the population? Are they making any efforts to leave or separate themselves from the blacks and form their own enclave?

Many urban whites in South Africa live in gated communities, patrolled by private security forces.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/africa/3096829.stm

However, whites are still victimized by crime at an alarming rate. "Asked if they, or a member of their family, had been the victim of crime in the previous six months, 19% of the respondents replied "yes". Whites are most likely to fall into the victim group: about 30%, or roughly 1,14-million people."

http://www.bday.co.za/bday/content/direct/1,3523,1665305-6079-0,00.html

I have high hopes for South Africa and its whites, thanks to their unpleasant situation. What if a massive counter-movement arose in South Africa proclaiming a return to separation and an independent white area? . . . . What this whole experiment in black rule has created, it seems to me, is a massive reservoir of racially conscious and hardened whites, who will be forced to think and act somewhere, at some time in their own interests -- something that whites in America and Europe don't yet have to do.

There's no evidence of any massive white nationalist movement in South Africa. I think there's a few reasons for this - firstly, most whites are still economically successful and continue to control most of South Africa's industry. Secondly, because blacks are so numerous, impoverished and diseased (literally, millions have AIDS), most whites have little interest in governing South Africa again. Thirdly, there is still at least a small measure of democracy and freedom - South Africa is not Zimbabwe yet. I imagine that if the first or third factors change and whites find their personal property or personal freedoms being taken away, then the response will likely be mass emigration. Will these whites be the angry vanguard of a new white radicalism? I doubt it - the modern white man is a coward and moral weakling. Brought up on liberal media, toothless religion and fed a steady diet of diversity propaganda, most whites would say that racism is the greatest of all sins and worst of all crimes.

Never been to SA, but a few years ago, I was able to befriend a young Afrikaaner nanny that I met at a local library. What a pleasent young lady. quite simple and very polite.
Anyway, for a nice looking 19 yearold blonde, more racially conscious than any other I've encountered. This was in about 2000/01. She said that for the most part, the White SA people dislike the blacks and see that the end of apartheid meant the end of happy days for the White SA.
She had no love lost for the blacks either. I remember her telling me that she "hated the blacks, ugghh" . A real snarl that conveyed her utter contempt for these people.
Her parents really dislike the blacks as well....probably more so than most because one of them knocked up her older sister.
Family was quite upset and so was I.
So, older sister had a mixed breed kid.

Sadly, not all optimistic news.
But yes, from what I've heard and read, the SA Whites have either been toughed by the dealings with the hordes of nonwhites or have just moved on or died out.
The English speaking ones are mostly useless. It's the Afrikaaners that are the backbone of the White community in SA. If not for them, the english speakers would have been totally over run years ago.

If it's hopeless in SA, I would really love to have those 4 million Afrikaaners here in the US.
Those are the immigrants we need.

Yet, they are indeed a tough people who have lived in SA since the early 16th century. Been through a lot and it looks like will be through some more.

I am in contact with some farmers in South Africa regarding Amish farming and use of seaweed.

Indeed they are racially aware but they don't talk tough, especially with the government in the hands of black communists who could kill them at any moment.

My impression is that they are waiting it out, keeping their heads down, which is a smart thing to do, in my opinion. Let nature take it's course, protect your own and help them thrive, and the blacks will do what they will amongst themselves. After all, 50% of black African 15 year olds will get AIDS. I know Alex says the freakins will outbreed AIDS. We'll see.

It seems smart not to provoke an enemy that is slowly destroying itself, so long as you can take action to help your own people thrive.

Rob

Thank you for posting this. We need to be more optimistic about the future while we remain realistic about the circumstances of the present.

Every cloud as a silver lining. Just like when the abolishment of slavery and the policy of reconstruction was meant to weaken the political power of the White South in the US, it only made it stronger. Blacks make up 30-40% of the population of the Deep South yet it is considered to be conservative heartland of America.

In areas where whites are the overwhelming majority in the US (particularly New England) you'll find the least racially-aware people in the country. A white man in the South is considered to be the most racist.

I know that whites in South Africa are too hopelessly outnumbered to ever form a significant political majority or even a political coalition to achieve any real power. Regardless, the hardship imposed on the white man in ZA will only give him character and strengthen his resolve.

There will always be instances of traitorous white women who will mix with the Black, but it's not surprising that the incidence of racemixing in ZA is probably the lowest rate in the world.

Remember, ZOG has to spend billions of ZOGbux in order to keep the racemixing propaganda flowing on the televitz and the jewspapers. As the US economy worsens, there won't be as much money to keep the sheeple brainwashed. The govt needs money to enforce hate crime/speech legislation; money that is quickly running out.

Many urban whites in South Africa live in gated communities, patrolled by private security forces.

There are ever increasing enclaves of these types in France, also.
It boggles the mind that the host has to resort to such measures to keep the guest at bay.
It's no wonder that it's those who can't afford these neighborhoods, who end up voting for the Front National

For the past several years and reading between the lines of various news reports about SA I have gotten the following impressions:

South Africa is in a dismal state of affairs as the negroes continue to destroy what the Whites have built.

There still seems to be a large contingent of White SAs who are in denial and continue to bless multi cultural-ism and ignore the crime statistics. I do realize that the PC Whites of SA will be the only people allowed access to media in SA and transmitted abroad and therefore my impressions could be off-the-mark slightly with only the internet to give an opposing insight.

I am ever amazed, but not shocked, at White people's ability to deny reality and allow themselves to be painted into a corner..........when one would expect them to lash-out and fight back..........they only look for ways to move the corner backward.

When I look to South Africa...........I see all of the White Western World's future as if I had a crystal ball before me.

Thoughts on the New South Africa

For many years Australia has been a favoured destination for South African Whites. I have often heard it said that SAs love Australia because its climate and geography are similar to South Africa. I think another reason for this is that the Australian and the South African White are very similar in temperament and outlook.

Given the tragic conditions in that country since black rule was imposed, perhaps we can expect a massive surge in immigration of SAs to Australia in the near future.

I hope so. I have met many SAs, and found them to be very personable and amiable. They exhibit a certain self-reliance and seriousness that I like very much. As far as I know, they get along with Australians generally because of their down-to-earth nature and their integrity.

If their numbers increase here, it may be that they will become a force for change in this country. Certainly, we need it as much as any other Western country, since we are also being targeted by forced racial pollution.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27059

Apartheid in the rearview mirror
Is South Africa capable of overcoming epidemic of crime?

April 3, 2002

By Anthony C. LoBaido
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

CAPE TOWN, South Africa ? There are only two kinds of people in South Africa, goes a local saying, those who believe there are no problems, and those who believe there is no hope for the future. In Constantia, a wealthy, safe white suburb of Cape Town, most residents believe the former.

Here, daily life seems not only frighteningly "normal" but somewhat of a utopia. Crime is almost non-existent. Children play safely in parks; churches have lively services; and the local shopping mall is filled with both goods and customers. The cost of living for foreigners is low.

"If crime can be controlled, then South Africa can have a bright future," said Internet e-mail café owner Jacob de Boer, a longtime Cape Town resident.

"But honestly, the ANC (African National Congress) cannot govern this country, and their membership rolls continue to dwindle, mainly due to the apathy of the emerging black middle class. However, alternate parties critical of the ANC are springing up. Perhaps they will be capable of restoring South Africa to a peaceful, prosperous nation where Marxism is again anathema, criminals are punished and life is respected."

So, while the clouds, or "tablecloth," roll across the top of the picturesque Table Mountain, passing softly over the Cecil Rhodes Memorial, who pioneered a "United States of Africa," Cape Town residents can be thankful that they live in the safest region in the entire nation. Other than a few bombings of Western targets carried out by Islamic extremists in recent years, the region is safe and even prosperous.

On a nation-wide basis, however, South Africa's problems are legion, manifesting themselves most severely in cities like Johannesburg and Pretoria.

There is a rape every 25 seconds in this nation. The murder rate is skyrocketing. The police are out-manned, out-gunned, under-funded and demoralized.

In an interview with WorldNetDaily, South African special forces war hero Wynand du Toit affirmed that crime is a major problem. Du Toit's private security company is a multiracial group dedicated to fighting crime.

"One of our members, who had joined our group after a stint in the French Foreign Legion, was killed recently fighting crime," du Toit told WND.

Then there are the farm killings of whites. South Africa has 40,000 white farmers. Over 1,200 have been murdered since 1994 and another 7,000 attacked. This makes the white Afrikaner/Boer farmer the highest at-risk murder group on Earth.

The ANC's response so far has been to put a moratorium on crime statistics due to fear that such publicity might scare off foreign investment.

Baby rape is epidemic. Says Mary Swinton, who taught school in South Africa for 20 years, "Baby rape is not new in this country. There are cultural aspects associated with it."

[more at link... http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27059]

Nature abhors a vacuum, and on the continent of Africa the diminishing presence and power of the European White man is being replaced by the power and presence of the Chinese.

It is worth remembering that when Mandela was freed and the ANC took power he received a hero’s welcome in China, a nation that supported him and the ANC for many decades. Furthermore, since the ANC has taken power they have not forgotten their Chinese friends. The ANC is very friendly towards and with Beijing.

This is not unimportant in discussing SA, particularly since the implications of this for a White regrouping in SA are great. Even though I agree with Kievsky on the coming collapse and anarchy in the future, and the need to be self-sufficient, I do not see agriculture as our panacea. Particulary in a world that will be controlled and dominated by those that monopolize industry and technology.

Consider what might play itself out should the Afrikaners decide that enough is enough. Are we to believe that the Chinese will sit idly by and watch with only casual interest??? Highly unlikely. I would expect that shipments of Chinese weapons, both small and heavy, would make their way to SA. Not to mention training, men, logistical, technical and intelligence support as well. Can a bunch of farmers resist those kinds of resources arrayed against them??? Hell no! Not a snowballs chance in hell. I’m sorry but in a world of nano and bio weapons, it’ll take more than guts and will. Remember, those Whites are facing a war of genocide, and in that context there will be nothing our enemies won’t use or do against them. In other words they can and should expect no military restraint from their enemies. Chemical, biological and any means necessary will be used to eradicate them. That’s the dilemma and context of any White resistance in SA.

Furthermore, while there is of course no resistance being offered, the opposite tactic of staying low and waiting it out, hoping for a collapse isn’t necessarily going to produce the desired result. As we grow weaker, we grow weaker. As each year passes, the White race diminishes, while at the same time, racial rivals, like the Chinese grow stronger. It is my opinion that SA is lost, unless some daring action and out of the box thinking take place almost immediately. Unfortunately that doesn’t look like it is going to happen any time soon.

I think what we can learn from SA is that while the jew is our primary racial enemy, there are others as well. The Chinese in particular come to mind. And while feeding ourselves is important, nanotechnology and biotechnology are as well, areas the Chinese are very much engaged in. The world will be controlled by the race or races that can maintain industrial capacity and technological superiority. A nation of farmers will stand no chance against that kind of power.

Obviously, I hope for the best in SA. I hope that what this article said is true.

However, the realist in me sees the same problems facing WNs around the world also facing those in SA. Namely, the problem of the "Good X", whether X is a Nigger or a Jew or whatever. SA's blacks aren't all gun-toting, AIDS-bearing rapist thugs living in shantytowns; for many of SA's Blacks (not a majority, mind you, but probably more than 5 million) have a relatively high standard of living. There's a whole bunch of educated niggers in SA, a whole bunch of niggers who have positive daily interactions with Whites; in stores, in the police forces, in hospitals.

Who knows how many of these "private security forces" are full of niggers! (Look in JB112's post: "Du Toit's private security company is a multiracial group dedicated to fighting crime.") I'm sure that SA Whites see nothing but smiling nigger faces on TV, billboards, and magazines. I'm sure that all the kids from the past 10 years or so have been brainwashed in "integrated" schools.

And don't forget that by far the biggest exporter from SA, De Beers, is Jewish through and through. The Jews still have South Africa by the balls.

Of course there are positives as well, which have already been mentioned. The extreme rate at which South African niggers seem to be killing themselves with AIDS is certainly positive. Also, the rising tension is sure to raise racial consciousness among a large segment of SA Whites.

All in all, there is definitely reason for hope, but there's also reason for doubt.

Why can't blacks in South Africa go out with South African blondes?? If they get together and they are in love that's all it matters. I would rather they go out with a black person who treats them well than a white person who treats them like dirt. I would want the same thing for my daughters. Love can overcome all these cultural differences.

South African Whites are the most valiant of all Whites, worldwide. To say that they need an even harsher social environment than they now have is utter foolishness. There are many pathological nut cases and outright bad asses down there. This comes from living as a minority White on a Nigger continent.
Any White, living in Africa, in his/her right mind, would like nothing better but to get out of there and should be repatriated, upon request.
That’s the bottom line. End of discussion. Please close this thread :mad:

The traitor leaders of the government gave over power to the negroes. There was no vote on it.

The jews that inspired the wrecking of white rule went on to other lands. One of them is the wife of future president of Amerikwa, John Kohn.

The traitor leaders of the government gave over power to the negroes. There was no vote on it.

The jews that inspired the wrecking of white rule went on to other lands. One of them is the wife of future president of Amerikwa, John Kohn.
Oops, I let a slur slip out. I should have used "Negroes", but am not used to politeness, neither given nor received. Now irreversable. My apologies. :o
Nevertheless, they are doing exactly the same thing in countries where Whites are indigenous

Paul Bonds post is crap.

If you want to know about South Africa then ask Arthur Kemp on SF. That guy is well dodgy.

He is asking anyone to give him a job either in the USA or UK to allow him to remain.

If I had a job going I would pass on giving Mr. Kemp a job. He is incredibly arrogant in his posts.

Why can't blacks in South Africa go out with South African blondes?? If they get together and they are in love that's all it matters. I would rather they go out with a black person who treats them well than a white person who treats them like dirt. I would want the same thing for my daughters. Love can overcome all these cultural differences.Fuck you assclown.

Why can't blacks in South Africa go out with South African blondes?? If they get together and they are in love that's all it matters. I would rather they go out with a black person who treats them well than a white person who treats them like dirt. I would want the same thing for my daughters. Love can overcome all these cultural differences.


Are you just joking? You can't really be this blind can you? Assuming you are white, which I don't know, if you would want your daughters to go out with some savage nigger beast, there is something truly wrong with you. Nigger males routinely beat and rape white women. That is what you would want for your daughters? What kind of parent would want that for their child?

I have a friend in SA that says that if you have a gun in your house and shoot a black person you can only do so if he/she has closed ranks w/ you. If you shoot a black person that breaks into your house and they have a gun or knife that is murder!!! How stupid is that? At that point you might as well give up if you are a woman. The whole point of having a gun is to keep an intruder away from you to prevent bodily injury from an attack. Apparently SA is ready for anarchy.

Somedays I wish a negro would break into my house. I don't/can't own a gun but do have knives everywhere hidden... that would be fun.

And for all this we can thank Hillary Clinton.

I have a friend in SA that says that if you have a gun in your house and shoot a black person you can only do so if he/she has closed ranks w/ you. If you shoot a black person that breaks into your house and they have a gun or knife that is murder!!! How stupid is that? At that point you might as well give up if you are a woman. The whole point of having a gun is to keep an intruder away from you to prevent bodily injury from an attack. Apparently SA is ready for anarchy.

Somedays I wish a negro would break into my house. I don't/can't own a gun but do have knives everywhere hidden... that would be fun.

And for all this we can thank Hillary Clinton.
Since when have gun laws beenj tightened up in Florida? Wasn't it traditionally one of the easiest places to enjoi gun ownership?
Concerning SA, who's going to know an intruder gets shot on some sparsely populated farm land? There's plenty of room there to hide the evidence, anyhow

As I told before, Hillary Clinton, George Bush and the judeo-christians support the rape and murder of White women and children.

After Amerikwa will have black rapestatistics of White children approaching that of South Africa, jews like Hillary and that kike daughter of her will move on to the next nation because a negro might think they are White. Remember the negro that raped Fran Dreschner made the same mistake of raping the person that allowed him to rape white women.

Growing party...

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I have a customer from SA,and he doesn't say much,but that his family had to leave.
Luckily for him he was able to get into the US,and hes a pretty good guy,he is just the kind of immigrant any country would like,he works hard owns a business,and has employees that pay taxes,and contributes to the GDP every day,unlike all the mexicoons,and niggers,that we are bringing in on a massive scale.

He did tell me that we better get our shit together in this country,cause it can happen here too.

He is absolutely right!!!

He also said they are all dying of AIDS,and starving over there so its just a matter of time,before it has a complete meltdown.

Yet whenever you turn on the news.You never hear about things like that.

Everybody seems to know how the Lakers did,so we are burying our heads in the sand.

Having said that It will happen here!! Thats a given.

When they do take over,if you think they will be as nice as the white man has been to them.

Your Dreaming.

Lock-n-Load itz coming,and if some of you older guys

You may not see it but your children sure as hell will.

I am certain we are going to have a full on race war in this country within the next 50 years,by then their numbers will be a complete majority. they could never win a fair fight.

We should pay very close attention to SA,as it is our future too.If we don't start and start now.

I think its already too late. I live in Socal,and its getting browner by the day.

Somedays I wish a negro would break into my house. I don't/can't own a gun but do have knives everywhere hidden... that would be fun.

I had one jump over my fence once running from the cops, the look on his face when he saw my dogs was priceless. Unfortunately he made it back across the fence before they had a chance to play tug-of-war with him. I always wondered if I might come home to a really big problem one day because I lived in a not so good neighborhood, but for the whole 6 years I was there they stayed far away from my house when they went on crack inspired burglaries.

......crack inspired burglaries.
This is probably a woman's most dreaded fear. Especially if that woman has ever experienced such a sexual practice


Somedays I wish a negro would break into my house. I don't/can't own a gun but do have knives everywhere hidden... that would be fun.
And for all this we can thank Hillary Clinton.

Who in their right mind would wan't to confront an armed individual of the Negroid race with only knives?
1- What has Hillary Clinton directly to do with you not owning guns? Give me exact reasons
2- Are you not owning guns, because you don't have the proper knowledge in using them? If not, give all reasons

A mate of mine is from South Africa and he said that the blacks think that if they have sex with a white virgin they are cured.