All 7 of my male ancestors from one family fought for Dixie during the Civil War. And of the 7, 4 were killed, including my great-great-grandfather, Mathew Addison Council, who died on 14 Dec 1862 in a POW camp at Finns Point, Delaware of wounds he'd received at the Battle of Sharpsburg in July 1862.

All 7 are listed below as posted on the internet at: www.bjhughes.org/warcivil.html


COUNCIL, Albert Carberry 3/22/1833-12/6/1894 s/o Kimbrel Willford Council & Ada Yates

COUNCIL, Calvin b. c1839 died at war; s/o Kimbrel Willford Council & Ada Yates

COUNCIL, Dorsey 12/15/1827-4/18/1909 s/o Kimbrel Willford Council & Ada Yates

COUNCIL, George b. c1841 died at war; s/o Kimbrel Willford Council & Ada Yates

COUNCIL, Matthew Addison c1835-12/14/1862 Killed in war; s/o Kimbrel Willford Council & Ada Yates

COUNCIL, Pashal B b. 4/18/1831 died at war; s/o Kimbrel Willford Council & Ada Yates

COUNCIL, Robert J 2/23/1846-1922, wounded in war; s/o Kimbrel Willford Council & Ada Yates

My grandmother (Myra Mae Council Allen), her parents, and her 7 brothers and sisters are recorded, by name, at: www.bjhughes.org/council2.html (http://www.bjhughes.org/council2.html). And by simply backtracking thru the generations recorded there, it was easy to confirm my forefathers going back to John Council who was born in Wedford, England in 1597 and who settled at Isle of Wight, Virginia in the mid 1600's, as well as confirm my 7 Council ancestors, by name, who fought in the civil war.

I therefore and herewith declare myself VNN's King Johnny Reb. Any challengers ??

(A distant female Council cousin living in California (her grandfather and my grandmother are brother and sister) has spent years researching the Council family lineage, though I only became aware of it coupla weeks ago. Previously, I knew virtually nothing about my Council lineage beyond my own grandmother.)

At least 5 of my 7 Council ancestors, including my great-great-grandfather, served with the 5th North Carolina Infantry Regiment. Their names are listed on the rolls of the 5th Regiment at this link:

www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/Soldier_Results.cfm (http://www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/Soldier_Results.cfm)

A 6th Council ancestor, Calvin H. Council served with the 35th NC Infantry Regiment and was killed in the civil war. His name is listed on the rolls of the 35th Regiment here:

www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/Soldier_Results.cfm (http://www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/Soldier_Results.cfm)

The 5th Regiment fought at the Battle of Bull Run I under Longstreet; In the campaigns of the Army of Northern Virginia from Williamsburg to Cold Harbor; In General Early's Shenandoah Valley Campaign; At Seven Pines during the Seven Days' Battles, At Chancellorsville where they fought with Stonewall Jackson during his famous flanking movement of 21,500 rebels; And at Gettysburg where the 5th Regiment lost more than half their men in casualties. Click the link below for proof:

www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/template.cfm (http://www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/template.cfm)

The 5th NC Regiment began the war with more than 1,000 men. They surrendered at the end of the war with "7 officers and 76 men of which 48 were armed."

One of my ancestors got captured by the South. Do I win?

My links in the previous post don't come up, for some reason. But you can google "5th North Carolina Infantry Regiment", and obtain the same information.

One of my ancestors got captured by the South. Do I win?

But mine died in captivity. Did your's ??

Besides, this is a Johnny Reb thread. You can start a "God Damn Yankee Thread", though if you like.

[Damn it, I got it wrong.]

When Democratic attorney Usher Linder's son Daniel enlisted in the Confederate Army and was captured by Union troops, President Lincoln sought his release. Attorney General Edwin Bates wrote that "the Prest: is anxious to gratify, the father, who is his old friend..."5 In his April 1865 eulogy of Mr. Lincoln, Linder remembered: "Mr. Lincoln did so, without any hesitation, and he took the pains - it was the day before Christmas a year ago, and it made my home happy - to telegraph me of the fact....He said to me: "Your son has just left me with my order to the Secretary of War to administer the oath of allegiance. I send him home to you and his mother."6

In the 1850s, young Dan Linder had been arrested in a shooting. One version of the story held that his father confronted Mr. Lincoln with a rumor that he was to join in the "prosecution of my boy." Mr. Lincoln reported "looked at him with that far-away gaze in his eyes that at times was so marked a feature in his expression, and simply replied, 'Linder do you believe me capable of accepting a retainer to prosecute your son for murder?' and immediately walked away."7

http://www.mrlincolnandfriends.org/inside.asp?pageID=26&subjectID=1

[Damn it, I got it wrong.]

When Democratic attorney Usher Linder's son Daniel enlisted in the Confederate Army and was captured by Union troops, President Lincoln sought his release. Attorney General Edwin Bates wrote that "the Prest: is anxious to gratify, the father, who is his old friend..."5 In his April 1865 eulogy of Mr. Lincoln, Linder remembered: "Mr. Lincoln did so, without any hesitation, and he took the pains - it was the day before Christmas a year ago, and it made my home happy - to telegraph me of the fact....He said to me: "Your son has just left me with my order to the Secretary of War to administer the oath of allegiance. I send him home to you and his mother."6

In the 1850s, young Dan Linder had been arrested in a shooting. One version of the story held that his father confronted Mr. Lincoln with a rumor that he was to join in the "prosecution of my boy." Mr. Lincoln reported "looked at him with that far-away gaze in his eyes that at times was so marked a feature in his expression, and simply replied, 'Linder do you believe me capable of accepting a retainer to prosecute your son for murder?' and immediately walked away."7

http://www.mrlincolnandfriends.org/inside.asp?pageID=26&subjectID=1

Well now Alex, I'm relieved to hear you did have at least one ancestor who fought on the right side. If you can find out which regiment, and the dates of his service, you can learn which battles he fought in. During which, was he captured ??

(Interesting website link. Was your Usher ancestor who opposed Lincoln's 1858 Senate bid, a state legislator or federal ??)

Well now Alex, I'm relieved to hear you did have at least one ancestor who fought on the right side. If you can find out which regiment, and the dates of his service, you can learn which battles he fought in. During which, was he captured ??

(Interesting website link. Was your Usher ancestor who opposed Lincoln's 1858 Senate bid, a state legislator or federal ??)

he was state at that time; earlier he was Illinois attorney general - famous case was his battle with Elijah Lovejoy, abolitionist. Lovejoy was inciting niggers and wound up getting lynched - this inflamed the abolitionists back east and perhaps moved the war up a few years. i discussed all this on the last two Radio Istinas. i've got the info on Daniel Linder somewhere, my uncle has written it all up. i dont have it at hand, however.

the irony is, today there is a statue of lovejoy in alton, illinois, and he's the big free-speech martyr. meanwhile, niggers usher warned about are coming up here and shooting up macdonalds at 3:00 am. and colleges back east, like colby in maine, the state lovejoy came from, give free-speech awards in lovejoy's honor while maintaing speech codes that would prevent anyone from pointing out what the niggers liberated by the lovejoys are using their freedom to do.

two strains of white men:

1) sanctimonious madmen - demand immediate gratification of their whims, such as loosing niggers, styled as higher morality

2) reasonable men - considering the likely consequences of actions, using history to predict that the liberation of the negro will destroy white areas

history shows who's right. but the sanctimonious madmen have the power - now chicago is mostly brown and black, and violent. alton and east st. louis are cancer spots.

Take note that the UNREASONABLE white men won. And that the reasonable white men were willing to use violence to defend their community.

I therefore and herewith declare myself VNN's King Johnny Reb. Any challengers ??



Nope. I'm a halfbreed myself, my mother was from the South, my father was from Illinois.

From my uncle's book, The Linders of Adair County:

"As far as I can tell, 11 Linders fought in the Civil War, all with the Union Army. Two Adair County Linders seem to have had Southern sympathies,[1] but I know of no evidence that they ever actually took up arms for the South.

[...]

[1] William Parcells Linder (I) fled from Kirksville to St. Louis in 1861, apparently for his pro-South views and perhaps actions of some kind (e.g., recruiting). ... John Ferguson Linder, brother of WPL (II), apparently had pro-South leanings but went to Colorado during the Civil War to avoid problems. One non-Adair Co. Linder (among many) who fought for the South was Daniel Linder, son of Usher Ferguson Linder and AHL's first cousin, once removed.

[page 57, Linders of Adair County Missouri, 1838-1981]

[p. 58]

The 7th Mo. Vol. Cav. is the unit of most interest, of course, because it had so many Adair Co. Linders in it (seven at one time or another), because AHL [Andrew Hines Linder] was a major in the unit, and because it saw real action during the great effort to drive the Confederate armies out of southwestern Missouri and Arkansas. Unfortunately, no history of the 7th as such has ever been written. This is according to Professor Leslie Anders of Central Missouri St. University, Warrensburg, who is considered a leading expert on Missouri military units during the Civil War. He has, however, kindly recommended certain works that shed light on the 7th's activities. I have not had a chance to look at them all and I list them here in a footnote for future reference.5

[...]

[5] John McElroy's The Fight for Missouri (1909); for Prarie Grove mateiral: Battles and Leaders, vol. III, and Howard Monnett's article in the "Arkansas Historical Quarterly" (1962 volume); for 7th Mo. roles in the Red River Expedition: Ludwell Johnson's The Red River Campaign (1958); for more details on operations in Arkansas: D.Y. Thomas' Arkansas in War and Reconstruction (1926) and T.A. Belser's "Military Operations in Missouri and Arkansas, 1861-1865", a Ph.D. dissertation finished at Vanderbilt in 1958. (See also Britton's The Civil War on the Border, and Prof. March's The Civil War in Missouri; at NMSU [Northeast Missouri State University - now Truman State University] -- good bibliography.)

Ha, one of my ancestors BARELY escaped being butchered by Bloody Bill Anderson, who cut a big chunk out of the Adair boys in one particular engagement.

"WPL (III) [half the males are named either William Parcells Linder or Andrew Hines Linder, for some reason] enlisted in the 39th at Kirksville on Aug. 1, 1864 for one year or the duration of the war. He mustered in on Aug. 24, 1864 at Hannibal, Mo. and served as a private in Co. A under 1st Lieut. Edwin Darrow (and Capt. Smith). His company was composed mainly of raw recruits from Adair Co. badly mounted and badly armed. In Sept., 1864 Co. A and other companies of the 39th "were put on the trail of bushwhackers that were operating in northeast Missouri". (Violette History, page 89.) On Sept. 27, at the "Centralia Massacre", Co. A was practically annihilated by "Bloody Bill" Anderson and his men. WPL (III) escaped (1888 History, page 309). (In one of Dr. P.O. Selby's writings he makes the point that Adair Co. in that one day at Centralia lost half of the number of men killed from Adair Co. during the entire four years of World War II.) WPL (III) was promoted to corporal on Nov. 20, 1864 and mustered out on July 19, 1865, at Benton Barracks, Mo. Descriptive roll information supplised by Mrs. Lorena Tucker, WPL (III)'s granddaughter, shows he was 25 years old (at what point I'm not sure), 5 ft. 7 in. tall, fair complexion, blue eyes, sandy hair, and a farmer.

[p. 70]

Bill Howes of Horton, Kan., WPL (II)'s grandson, told me on May 1, 1981, that WPL (II) had once told him about being at the battle of Lone Jack (Aug. 16, 1862) and that he'd gotten an arm wound there. He'd also talked about his uneasiness when the Union troops, the night before, decided to bed down in houses at Lone Jack that were closely surrounded by cornfields. As it turned out the Confederates, who were not thought to be close by, crept up at dawn under cover of the cornfields, and surprised the Union troops. WPL (II) supposedly got his arm wound from a rebel firing from a cornfield.

WPL (II)'s account is consistent with official reports of the battle.[10] The Union forces at Lone Jack consisted of about 800 men and a battery of two cannon, under the command of Maj. Emory S. Foster of the Seventh Mo. Militia Cavalry (not to be confused with the 7th Mo. Vol. Cav.). Among the 800 were detachments from five companies of the 7th Mo. Vol. Cav., presumably including WPL(II). Major Linder was apparently not part of this contingent since Maj. Foster says that no field officers were sent with him, by Gen. Totten's order, "in consequence of a jealousy in regard to rank". Maj. Foster was ordered to march from Lexington, Mo. to join forces at Lone Jack with Col. Warren, and then to attack a large Confederate force somewhere in Jackson County under Hughes and Quantrill. Col. Warren failed to join Foster as planned and at daylight on Aug. 16, 1862 Foster was surprised by a Confederate force about four times the size of ihs own, under Colonels Coffee, Hindman, and Quantrill. "They came upon us under cover of corn fields and ridge fences", according to Capt. Brawner, commanding Company A of the 7th Mo. Vol. Cav. The Union troops fought off this overwhelming force for several hours but finally had to retreat to Lexington, leaving their cannon behind. Maj. Foster was seriously wounded in one of the attempts to retrieve the cannon. About 50 men were killed on each side in the battle and the wounded on each side numbered from 75 to 100. Capt. Brawner's company, assigned to guard the battery, lost two-thirds of its men, killed and wounded.

[p. 69]

[Serious d'oh! moment]

In Nov., 1862 at Kirksville, WPL(II) accidentally shot himself through the elbow. My father told me that WPL(II) told him that his pistol dropped from his holster as he was washing his hands. Dad remembers seeing the scars. WPL(II) spent a short time in the 50th Reg't Enrolled Mo. Militia and was relieved from duty Nov. 8, 1862. He was in hospital (presumably at Kirksville) during the winter of 1862-63. On Feb. 7, 1863, by order of Gen. Curtis, he was discharged from the army, returning to farming and stock raising.

[p. 69]

"In 1838, he [Usher Linder] resigned as Attorney General, in the wake of a scandal in which he was apparently blameless, and returned to Coles Co. There, in 1844, he was defeated for Congress, but was elected, beginning in 1846, to several terms in the Ill. legislature. In 1858, he was a supporter and close associate of Stephen Douglas in his famous campaign against Abraham Lincoln. (Lincoln tried unsuccessfully to get Douglas' Senate seat.) Usher often spoke at Douglas rallies and was considered quite an orator. In the Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, at Charleston, Ill. (Usher's home town), Usher and a cousin, Elisha Linder, were on the platform among the Douglas men. (There is a famous painting, and, I believe, photograph of this debate.) In 1860, he was a delegate to the Democratic Nat. Convention at Charleston, S.C., which nominated Douglas for president. (Usher was a "War Democrat", supporting the Union despite his pro-slavery views.)

[p. 72]

4th Lincoln Douglas debate (Charleston) text section:

NEGRO EQUALITY

While I was at hotel to-day an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause] -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior. I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along with out making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this I have never seen to my knowledge a man, woman or child that was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. I recollect of but one distinguished instance that I have heard so frequently as to be entirely satisfied of its correctness and that is the case of Judge Douglas' old friend Col. Richard M. Johnson. [Laughter and cheers.] I will also add to the few remarks I have made, (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.] I will add one further word, which is this, that I do not understand there is any place where an alteration of social and political relations of the negro and white man can be changed except in the State Legislature -- not in the Congress of United States -- and as I do not really apprehend the approach of any such thing myself, and as Judge Douglas seems to be in constant horror that some such danger is rapidly approaching , I propose as the best means to prevent it, that the Judge be kept at home and placed in the State Legislature to fight the measure. [Uproarious laughter and applause] I do not propose dwelling longer at this time on this subject.

Judge Douglas has said to you that he has not been able to get from me an answer to the question whether I am in favor of negro citizenship. So far as I know, the Judge never asked me the question before. [Applause.] He shall have no occasion to ever ask it again, for I tell him very frankly that I am not in favor of negro citizenship. [Renewed applause.] This furnishes me an occasion for saying a few words upon the subject. I mentioned in a certain speech of mine which has been printed, that the Supreme Court had decided that a negro could not possibly be made a citizen, and without saying what was my ground of complaint in regard to that, or whether I had any ground of complaint, Judge Douglas has from that thing manufactured nearly everything that he ever says about my disposition to produce an equality between the negroes and white people. [Laughter and applause.] If any one will read my speech, he will find I mentioned that as one of the points decided in the course of the Supreme Court opinions, but I did not state what objection I had to it. But Judge Douglas tells the people what my objection was when I did not tell them myself. [Loud applause and laughter.] Now my own opinion is that the different States have the power to make a negro a citizen under the Constitution of United States if they choose. The Dred Scott decision decides that they have not that power. It the State of Illinois had that power I should be opposed to the exercise of it -- [cries of "good," "good," and applause,] That is all I have to say about it.

Judge Douglas has told you that he heard my speeches north and my speeches south -- that he had heard me at Ottawa and at Freeport in the north, and recently at Jonesboro in the south, and there was a very different cast of sentiment in the speeches made at the different points. I will not charge upon Judge Douglas that he wilfully misrepresents me, but I call upon every fair-minded man to take these speeches and read them, and I dare him to point out any difference between my printed speeches north and south. [Great cheering.] While I am here perhaps I ought to say a word, if I have the time, in regard to the latter portion of the Judge's speech, which was a sort of declamation in reference to my having said I entertained the belief that this government would not endure, half slave and half free. I have said so and I did not say it without what seemed to me to be good reasons. It perhaps would require more time than I have now to set forth these reasons in detail; but let me ask you a few questions. Have we ever had any peace on this slavery question? [No, no.] When are we to have peace upon it if it is kept in the position it now occupies? [Never.] How are we ever to have peace on it? That is an important question. To be sure if we will all stop and allow Judge Douglas and his friends to march on in their present career until they plant the institution all over the nation, here and wherever else our flag waves, and we acquiesce in it, there will be peace. But let me ask Judge Douglas how he is going to get the people to do that? [Applause.] They have been wrangling over this question for at least forty years. This was the cause of the agitation resulting in the Missouri Compromise -- this produced the trouble at the annexation of Texas, in the acquisition of the territory acquired in the Mexican war. Again, this was the trouble which was quieted by the Compromise of 1850, when it was settled "forever," as both the great political parties declared in their National Conventions. That "forever" turned out to be just four years, [laughter] when Judge Douglas himself reopened it. [Immense applause, cries of "hit him again," &c.] When is it likely to come to an end? He introduced the Nebraska bill in 1854 to put another end to the slavery agitation. He promised that it would finish it all up immediately, and he has never made a speech since until he got into a quarrel with the President about the Lecompton Constitution, in which he has not declared that we are just at the end of slavery agitation. But in one speech, I think last winter, he did say that he didn't quite see when the end of the slavery agitation would come. [Laughter and cheers.] Now he tells us again that it is all over, and the people of Kansas have voted down the Lecompton Constitution. How is it over? That was only one of the attempts at putting an end to the slavery agitation -- one of these "final settlements." [Renewed laughter.] Is Kansas in the Union? Has she formed a Constitution that she is likely to come in under? Is not the slavery agitation still an open question in that Territory? Has the voting down of that Constitution put an end to all trouble? Is that more likely to settle it than every one of these previous attempts to settle the slavery agitation? [Cries of "No," "No."] Now at this day in the history of the world we can no more tell where the end of this slavery agitation will be than we can see the end of the world itself. The Nebraska Kansas bill was introduced four years and a half ago, and if the agitation ever comes to an end, we may say we are four years and a half nearer the end. So, too, we can say we are four and a half years nearer the end of the world; and we can just as clearly see the end of the world as we can the end of this agitation. [Applause.] The Kansas settlement did not conclude it. If Kansas should sink to-day and leave a great vacant space in the earth's surface, this vexed question would still be among us. I say then there is no way of putting an end to the slavery agitatio n amongst us but to put it back upon the basis where our fathers placed it, [applause] no way but to keep it out of our new Territories, [renewed applause] to restrict it forever, to the old States where it exists. [Tremendous and prolonged cheering , cries of "That's the doctrine," "Good," "Good," &c.] Then the public mind will rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction. That is one way of putting end to the slavery agitation. [Applause.]

The other way is for us to surrender and let Judge Douglas and his friends have their way and plant slavery all over the States -- cease speaking of it as in any way a wrong -- regard slavery as one of the common matters of property, and speak of negroes as we do of our horses and cattle But while it drives on in its state of progress as it is now driving, and as it has driven for the last five years, I have ventured the opinion, and I say to-day, that we will have no end to slavery agitation until it takes one turn or the other. [Applause.] I do not mean that when it takes a turn towards ultimate extinction it will be in a day, nor in a year, nor in two years. I do not suppose that in the most peaceful way ultimate extinction would occur in less than a hundred years at the least; but that will occur in the best way for both races in God's own good time, I have no doubt. [Applause.] But, my friends, I have used up more of my time than I intend on this point.

Good they left the crowd response in, gives you a good sense of how different it was when white men ruled their country.

Nope. I'm a halfbreed myself, my mother was from the South, my father was from Illinois.

Next to the Germans under Hitler, I view Southerners under Lee and Jackson the most noble, courageous, and moral white men in history, for the simple reason true history proves it, not because I'm a southerner. And for the same moral and manly reasons we WNs idolize Hitler's soldiers, we should idolize Lee's rebels.

If white men ever become jew-free, this worldview will be deeply ingrained in the minds of all white youth, north and south. Aryan honesty and honor will demand it.

Northern white men cannot, in honesty, take Germany's side in WWII, and not take the South's side in the Civil War without confessing their own contradiction and counter-productive vanity.

Good they left the crowd response in, gives you a good sense of how different it was when white men ruled their country.

Lincoln spoketh with forked tongue. He not only freed 3.5 million niggers living among 5.5 million white southerners, he uniformed, trained, and armed 200,000 goddamned nigger buck apes, and ordered them to go kill white southerners. And he did so "when white men ruled their country".

Very bad that niggers were brought here to begin with. That is the stain on the Southern Escutcheon, and American White men generally. I don't recall ever hearing that Germans imported Jews.

Next to the Germans under Hitler, I view Southerners under Lee and Jackson the most noble, courageous, and moral white men in history, for the simple reason true history proves it, not because I'm a southerner.

No argument from me. I have made the point before that the South, and Appalachia, are the only parts of the US to ever develope a real culture. I grew up in an area of California that was largely settled by Southerners. It showed back in the 1960s, but has now become just another cultureless part of the Kwa.

The South and Appalachia are, BTW, very different areas and peoples. They don't like each other very much either.

I spent 11 years in hillbilly country, in WV. I hated it at first, having spent my life until then in the western US. But I got used to it, became friends with the locals, learned how to deal with them, got comfortable there. When Marta and I left West Virginia to move back to the west coast I thought I was going home. HaHa! I have been homesick for West-by-gawd-Virginia ever since.

I'm truly surprised a blood relative of yours' would die in captivity. I figured he would just cooperate with his captors and rat out all his comrades in exchange for his freedom.

I'm truly surprised a blood relative of yours' would die in captivity. I figured he would just cooperate with his captors and rat out all his comrades in exchange for his freedom.


Have you met 'Strich?

I was born in Kentucky, about 10 miles north of Tennessee. The family story is that my father worked one day in a coal mine (entire family on both sides were coal-miners, and many still are to this day) and swore never to return underground.

He never did. Moved North to work at the GM plant.

I grew up in a working-class neighborhood, 100% White, mostly Irish and German.

Within walking distance of our house was Camp Chase cemetery, where a couple of thousand Confederate soldiers who died in Union captivity at Camp Chase are interred.

During the Summer, a couple times every year my father would take us to the cemetery and my brothers and I would be tasked to clean up any litter that had blown in from the street. We were far from the only White people who did so, either.

I was mesmerized by the headstones, which gave a great deal of information about the men below them. Names, ages, units, which states they were from, etc. As a boy, I wondered what battles they had seen, and if their families ever knew what had happened to them.

My mom grew roses.

Early every fall on a perfect cloudless day she would clip all her roses and we would once again walk to Camp Chase and mom would put a rose on the grave of every soldier from Kentucky. (there were many)

I have not been to Camp Chase in almost 30 years. The area now is full of illegal Mexicans, Somalis, Hmong, you name it.

I bet nobody picks up the trash in Camp Chase anymore.

I recommend the link below to those wanting to research civil war information about individual soldiers, north or south. Just type in the name and state if you don't know the regiment. It'll link you to the regiment number and to the individual's name listed in alphabetical order on the regiment's roster. Then google the regiment (for example: 5th North Carolina Infantry Regiment) for detailed stories about all the battles that particular regiment fought in.


http://www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm

No argument from me. I have made the point before that the South, and Appalachia, are the only parts of the US to ever develope a real culture. I grew up in an area of California that was largely settled by Southerners. It showed back in the 1960s, but has now become just another cultureless part of the Kwa.

The South and Appalachia are, BTW, very different areas and peoples. They don't like each other very much either.

I spent 11 years in hillbilly country, in WV. I hated it at first, having spent my life until then in the western US. But I got used to it, became friends with the locals, learned how to deal with them, got comfortable there. When Marta and I left West Virginia to move back to the west coast I thought I was going home. HaHa! I have been homesick for West-by-gawd-Virginia ever since.

Good story, Fred. And typical. I never spent much time in WVA though I drove an 18-wheeler thru there many times. (1991-2002).

Due to it's mountains and lack of jobs in agriculture to attract the muds, WVA might be the last state to become completely mongrelized.

I do wish they'd fought for the south, though. Maybe Doc can explain why they didn't.

(Btw, while I've got your attention, I sent you a batch of newspapers that you'd paid me for awhile back, but they came back marked "No such address". I wouldn't want you to think I'd ripped you off).

Lincoln spoketh with forked tongue. He not only freed 3.5 million niggers living among 5.5 million white southerners, he uniformed, trained, and armed 200,000 goddamned nigger buck apes, and ordered them to go kill white southerners. And he did so "when white men ruled their country".
But it was the Christian thing to do. Glory, glory hallelujah… The sad fact is they never stopped marching on.

I recommend the link below to those wanting to research civil war information about individual soldiers, north or south. Just type in the name and state if you don't know the regiment. It'll link you to the regiment number and to the individual's name listed in alphabetical order on the regiment's roster. Then google the regiment (for example: 5th North Carolina Infantry Regiment) for detailed stories about all the battles that particular regiment fought in.

http://www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm
Thanks, this is very useful. I know that siblings of my direct ancestors emigrated to America and settled in northern rural states like Wisconsin. Fortunately not one of them showed up in the Union Army. :)

Some other interesting finds:

Adam Hitler, 16 Massachusetts Infantry
Christian Hitler, 1st Regiment, US Reserve Corps, Missouri Infantry

Thanks, this is very useful. I know that siblings of my direct ancestors emigrated to America and settled in northern rural states like Wisconsin. Fortunately not one of them showed up in the Union Army. :)

Some other interesting finds:

Adam Hitler, 16 Massachusetts Infantry
Christian Hitler, 1st Regiment, US Reserve Corps, Missouri Infantry

You're welcome.

I'm fortunate in that two of my cousins have spent years researching our mutual Council lineage, though I just found out about it coupla weeks ago.

Here's an extract taken from their website (www.bjhughes.org/warrev.html (http://www.bjhughes.org/warrev.html) showing two Councils who served in the Revolutionary War. The Robert Council, son of John Council and Josie Willis, is my great-great-great-great-great grandfather. (b.1700-d.1778). Let's see Alex top THAT.



COUNCIL, James 1716-1804 s/o John Council & Josie Willis - Served as paymaster, Wilmington, NC District

COUNCIL, Robert 1700-1778 s/o John Council and Josie Willis - Appointed Ensign 1/4/1776, promoted 7/7/1776, resigned because of illness 9/10/1776, reappointed Ensign in 1777 in Capt Bowman's Co, 1st Regmt under Col Thomas Clarke, promoted to 1st Lieutenant 8/20/1777. He was Capt of a Co of NC Dragoons 8/1/1778 and served until the close of the war. (State Records of NC by Clarke, Vol 13, pp 474-475) (The Councils from VA to NC, The Robert Council Line, by Irma Ragan Holland, 1978)

Damn, I'm tempted to get swell headed.

(Zat you, 999 ??)

Southerners were outnumbered 4 to 1 by northerners. (5.5 million to 22.5 million). Plus, those 5.5 million southerners had to hold down 3.5 million nigger slaves for 4 long years while they fought.

Amazing !!!

Still not confident with those odds, Lincoln insanely freed the 3.5 million GD niggers in an attempt to cause them to rise up and kill southerners, thus booster his chances of winning the war.

Still not confident enough, Lincoln trained and armed 200,000 niggers and sicc'ed them on southern white people.

Forget ?? Forget, Hell !!!

Since the feds did all that to white people in the 1860s "when white men ruled their country", just think what they'll do now that the GD kikes rule it.

"No Way Out But Thru The Jews" !!!! Bottom line.

Some other interesting finds:

Adam Hitler, 16 Massachusetts Infantry
Christian Hitler, 1st Regiment, US Reserve Corps, Missouri Infantry

If you've ever met anyone with the surname "Hiller", it's likely they were formally "Hitler".

5.5 million southerners had to hold down 3.5 million nigger slaves for 4 long years while they fought.



Interesting……. Southerners had to contain, house and feed the critters.

It would have been much cheaper if they had repatriated the cotton picking Negros back to Africa.

Why the South did not do so? Unlike the Nazis who fought for their existing, Southern Aristocrats fought for controling the markets, which relied on cheap labor.

Israel is in similar situation:Palestinians are enslaved cuz
the( hebes who don’t want to dirty their fingernails),wants others to do their nigger work and profit from it by keeping the wages down.

Rounder- I’m not breaking your chops……is just an observation.

Interesting……. Southerners had to contain, house and feed the critters.

It would have been much cheaper if they had repatriated the cotton picking Negros back to Africa.

Why the South did not do so? Unlike the Nazis who fought for their existing, Southern Aristocrats fought for controling the markets, which relied on cheap labor.

Israel is in similar situation:Palestinians are enslaved cuz
the( hebes who don’t want to dirty their fingernails),wants others to do their nigger work and profit from it by keeping the wages down.

Rounder- I’m not breaking your chops……is just an observation.

Well blueskies, I suspect they might've had a bit of difficulty (1861-65)fighting an enemy who outnumbered them 4 to 1 while shipping 3.5 million niggers back to Africa, at the same time. Previous to which, they lacked the governmental authority. They couldn't even ship cotton without federal approval and paying huge tariffs. Tariffs which btw, amounted to 60% of the feds annual revenue.

The southerners of 1861 inherited slavery. It had existed in the U.S. for over 200 years by then. And without the jews, there would have been no niggers in America, much less nigger slaves, in the first place.

Rich southerners (aristocrats) controlled niggers on plantations in order to maintain law, order, and civilization. And since it was impossible for southerners to ship them back to Africa because they lacked the authority to do so, there was no alternative to slavery except loosing 3.5 million apes among 5.5 million southern humans.

Excellent thread Glenn. I'm glad to see White people taking interest in their heritage. Without our ancestors we wouldn't be who we are. I've been researching my family's genealogy for years. It's at times very difficult work but always very rewarding.

Aside from the sites you listed concerning info on soldiers you can also contact the State Archives Department of the states in which your soldiers enlisted and obtain copies of their military records and pension records. Many times the pension records themselves will contain a great amount of information relevant to the family history (names of wives, children, places and dates of birth or death, etc).

Here's some info on a few Confederate soldiers from which I directly descend.

1.William W. Graham, Co D, 25th Batt'n (Provost Guard) GA Vol. Inf. – (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1824 in Georgia, died 1895 in Georgia. Enlisted in 1862 for the duration of the war and served on “special duty” at a military prison in middle Georgia. He was hospitalized near Macon, GA in August of 1864 suffering the loss of a couple of fingers.

2.Henry Thomas Wallace, Co E, 53rd Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-grandfather) born 1828 in Georgia, died 1911. Enlisted for service in 1862 for the duration of the war. He was wounded in the left thigh by canister shot on 17 September 1862 at Sharpsburg MD, and was captured there on 27 September 1862 and exchanged at Aiken's Landing 10 November 1862. He returned to duty and last appears on company muster rolls in February 1865, having spent much time in the hospital due to his wound from Sharpsburg. His pension records indicate that his wound from Sharpsburg gave him trouble for the rest of his life. He was awarded the Southern Cross of Honor by the UDC in 1910.

3.Brantley Duncan, Co K, 66th Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1821 in Georgia, died 1864. Enlisted in 1863. Details on his service are a bit sketchy but it appears that he died of typhoid fever in June of 1864 in LaGrange, GA and is buried there at Stonewall Cemetery.

4.Thompson W. Gunter, Co G, 43rd Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1818 in Georgia, died 1863 in captivity. Enlisted 1862 for a period of three years or the duration of the war. He was captured at the battle of Vicksburg, Mississippi in August 1863 and died on board a steamer while being transported from Vicksburg, MS to Mobile, Alabama and his body was “committed to the waters”.

5.Tillman H. Carter, Co I, 24th Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-grandfather) born 1828 in Georgia, died 1900. Enlisted in 1862 for the duration of the war. Served as a Sargent. Paroled at Burkeville, Virginia 17 April 1865.

6.George W. Oxford, Co A, 53rd Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1839 in Georgia, died 1913. Enlisted 1862 for three years or the duration of the war. Served as 2nd Lieutenant. He was wounded in the right thigh at the Battle of Gettysburg in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania and captured there sometime between 3 July and 5 July 1863. On 21 July 1863 he was transferred to the Provost Marshall, New York and on 24 August 1863 he was paroled at DeCamp General Hospital, David's Island, New York Harbor. On 28 August 1863 George was in the Confederate States Hospital at Petersburg, Virginia. He returned to service and was captured at Sailors Creek, Virginia and turned over to Provost Marshall General, Army of the Potomac on 12 April 1865. He was sent to Washington on 13 April 1865 and appears on a register as a prisoner of war 14 April 1865 at Old Capitol Hill Prison, Washington, DC. He was sent to Johnson's Island, Ohio on 17 April 1865 appears on a roll of prisoners of war at Depot Prisons of War near Sandusky, Ohio on 19 April 1865.

7.James J. Wigley, Lumpkin's Artillery – (my great-great-grandfather) born 1847 in Georgia, died 1918. Enlisted in 1864 at the age of 16. Lumpkin's Artillery was a unit comprised of people who were considered either too young or too old for regular service. Lumpkin's Artillery was also the regiment that held the Union army off of Athens, GA using the famous “double barreled cannon”. It's my understanding that they only fired it once.

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/athens/athenscannon.jpg

Again Rounder, excellent thread. For those interested in researching your family history, in the age of the internet genealogy research has come a long way from the dusty old records rooms at the county courthouse. You can find much info by researchers who post their work online as well as images of actual Census records and such at sites like Ancestry.com. Although Ancestry.com is a pay site, there is still a limited amount of info that can be found there for free. A great free resource is also the LDS site familysearch.org, although I caution users that the LDS does not verify the info submitted by it's members. The main reason they retain this info is that when someone joins the LDS church and submits their genealogical info is that these ancestors are then “baptized” by the LDS as Mormons in order to promote a “closer family relationship in the afterlife”. Familysearch.org is a great resource for leads, but I suggest double checking any info obtained there for accuracy.

This thread also brings to mind a suggestion.

Alex, what would be the chances of having a “genealogy” subforum here at VNN? I think that would be quite relevant to our interests.

They couldn't even ship cotton without federal approval and paying huge tariffs. Tariffs which btw, amounted to 60% of the feds annual revenue.

You’re right. The North had a huge Navy, therefore control the water, hence; commerce. That’s why the Southerners counter the mighty Navy with its first built submarine. Like the Nazis new rocket planes, it it was too little too late to muster up great numbers of the technologies.

I was born and raised in Chickamauga, GA - within quick walking distance of the battlefield.

I currently live in Chattanooga, TN. There is a Confederate cemetary near me and I regularly visit and make sure the flags are in place.

Excellent thread Glenn. I'm glad to see White people taking interest in their heritage. Without our ancestors we wouldn't be who we are. I've been researching my family's genealogy for years. It's at times very difficult work but always very rewarding.

Aside from the sites you listed concerning info on soldiers you can also contact the State Archives Department of the states in which your soldiers enlisted and obtain copies of their military records and pension records. Many times the pension records themselves will contain a great amount of information relevant to the family history (names of wives, children, places and dates of birth or death, etc).

Here's some info on a few Confederate soldiers from which I directly descend.

1.William W. Graham, Co D, 25th Batt'n (Provost Guard) GA Vol. Inf. – (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1824 in Georgia, died 1895 in Georgia. Enlisted in 1862 for the duration of the war and served on “special duty” at a military prison in middle Georgia. He was hospitalized near Macon, GA in August of 1864 suffering the loss of a couple of fingers.

2.Henry Thomas Wallace, Co E, 53rd Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-grandfather) born 1828 in Georgia, died 1911. Enlisted for service in 1862 for the duration of the war. He was wounded in the left thigh by canister shot on 17 September 1862 at Sharpsburg MD, and was captured there on 27 September 1862 and exchanged at Aiken's Landing 10 November 1862. He returned to duty and last appears on company muster rolls in February 1865, having spent much time in the hospital due to his wound from Sharpsburg. His pension records indicate that his wound from Sharpsburg gave him trouble for the rest of his life. He was awarded the Southern Cross of Honor by the UDC in 1910.

3.Brantley Duncan, Co K, 66th Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1821 in Georgia, died 1864. Enlisted in 1863. Details on his service are a bit sketchy but it appears that he died of typhoid fever in June of 1864 in LaGrange, GA and is buried there at Stonewall Cemetery.

4.Thompson W. Gunter, Co G, 43rd Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1818 in Georgia, died 1863 in captivity. Enlisted 1862 for a period of three years or the duration of the war. He was captured at the battle of Vicksburg, Mississippi in August 1863 and died on board a steamer while being transported from Vicksburg, MS to Mobile, Alabama and his body was “committed to the waters”.

5.Tillman H. Carter, Co I, 24th Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-grandfather) born 1828 in Georgia, died 1900. Enlisted in 1862 for the duration of the war. Served as a Sargent. Paroled at Burkeville, Virginia 17 April 1865.

6.George W. Oxford, Co A, 53rd Reg, GA Vol. Inf. -- (my great-great-great-grandfather) born 1839 in Georgia, died 1913. Enlisted 1862 for three years or the duration of the war. Served as 2nd Lieutenant. He was wounded in the right thigh at the Battle of Gettysburg in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania and captured there sometime between 3 July and 5 July 1863. On 21 July 1863 he was transferred to the Provost Marshall, New York and on 24 August 1863 he was paroled at DeCamp General Hospital, David's Island, New York Harbor. On 28 August 1863 George was in the Confederate States Hospital at Petersburg, Virginia. He returned to service and was captured at Sailors Creek, Virginia and turned over to Provost Marshall General, Army of the Potomac on 12 April 1865. He was sent to Washington on 13 April 1865 and appears on a register as a prisoner of war 14 April 1865 at Old Capitol Hill Prison, Washington, DC. He was sent to Johnson's Island, Ohio on 17 April 1865 appears on a roll of prisoners of war at Depot Prisons of War near Sandusky, Ohio on 19 April 1865.

7.James J. Wigley, Lumpkin's Artillery – (my great-great-grandfather) born 1847 in Georgia, died 1918. Enlisted in 1864 at the age of 16. Lumpkin's Artillery was a unit comprised of people who were considered either too young or too old for regular service. Lumpkin's Artillery was also the regiment that held the Union army off of Athens, GA using the famous “double barreled cannon”. It's my understanding that they only fired it once.

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/athens/athenscannon.jpg

Again Rounder, excellent thread. For those interested in researching your family history, in the age of the internet genealogy research has come a long way from the dusty old records rooms at the county courthouse. You can find much info by researchers who post their work online as well as images of actual Census records and such at sites like Ancestry.com. Although Ancestry.com is a pay site, there is still a limited amount of info that can be found there for free. A great free resource is also the LDS site familysearch.org, although I caution users that the LDS does not verify the info submitted by it's members. The main reason they retain this info is that when someone joins the LDS church and submits their genealogical info is that these ancestors are then “baptized” by the LDS as Mormons in order to promote a “closer family relationship in the afterlife”. Familysearch.org is a great resource for leads, but I suggest double checking any info obtained there for accuracy.

This thread also brings to mind a suggestion.

Alex, what would be the chances of having a “genealogy” subforum here at VNN? I think that would be quite relevant to our interests.

That a damn impressive family war record, Signal. Thanks for sharing it. I'll PM Alex and ask him to establish a genealogy sub-form.

I see your forefather Wallace was wounded and also captured during the battle of Sharpsburg in September 1862, as was my great-great grandfather Mathew Addison Council. Though, mine died 3 months later at age 27 on 14 December 1862 in the POW camp at Finn's Point, Delaware, after being marched there by his captors from Sharpsburg, Maryland.

His widow, Lucetta Upchurch Council, according to family records "took up with another Confederate soldier by the name of George S. Williams, got knocked up, and was excommunicated from the church." She and Mathew only had one child who was my great-grandfather, James Henderson Claude Council, only 4 years old when his father died. That only child produced 8 children, including my grandmother, and those 8 produced 35 grandchildren and 25 great grandchildren by the time of James' death in 1932, and lots more afterwards, including me (born 1940).

But she married the Williams fellow in December 1865 and they went on to have 10 children together. I have a copy of their family photo taken in 1907 and also a copy of their marriage certificate.

It sounds like you win, Rounder. It is good to come back to VNN after a somewhat lengthy respite and see a thread that I actually enjoy reading.

I am sure that I had relatives that fought for the CSA, but I cannot confirm that. I can confirm that NONE of them fought for the goddamn niggerloving yankee army.

Every time I raise my Confederate Battle Flag, I think of every one of the hundreds of thousands of White Southern boys that died defending Dixie. Now at least a dozen more have a name we can honor.

It sounds like you win, Rounder. It is good to come back to VNN after a somewhat lengthy respite and see a thread that I actually enjoy reading.

I am sure that I had relatives that fought for the CSA, but I cannot confirm that. I can confirm that NONE of them fought for the goddamn niggerloving yankee army.

Every time I raise my Confederate Battle Flag, I think of every one of the hundreds of thousands of White Southern boys that died defending Dixie. Now at least a dozen more have a name we can honor.

But you CAN "confirm" you ancestors who fought in the Civil War, if you know any of their names, Ironguard1940:

I recommend the link below to those wanting to research civil war information about individual soldiers, north or south. Just type in the name and state if you don't know the regiment. It'll link you to the regiment number and to the individual's name listed in alphabetical order on the regiment's roster. Then google the regiment (for example: 5th North Carolina Infantry Regiment) for detailed stories about all the battles that particular regiment fought in.


http://www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm
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Up until 2-3 week ago, I knew absolutely nothing about my Civil War ancestors. Not even one from either of my 4 grandparents' geneology (Miller, Allen, Council, Horne).

Now I've learned that one of my great-great grandfathers (Mathew Addison Council) and all 6 of his brothers fought for the south in the civil war, and 4 of them were killed, and another wounded. Named, Mathew A, Dorsey, Paschal B, Albert Carberry, Calvin, George S, and Robert J Council.

Fascinates and inspires the hell outa me.

(Thanks Alex, for establishing this geneology sub-forum. But on 2nd thought, it'll receive few geneologies because they might result in outing VNN'ers who post their's. Yet another example of self censorship by "white men" afraid to say who their ancestors were, much less who THEY are)

(Thanks Alex, for establishing this geneology sub-forum. But on 2nd thought, it'll receive few geneologies because they might result in outing VNN'ers who post their's. Yet another example of self censorship by "white men" afraid to say who their ancestors were, much less who THEY are)

Indeed. Many thanks to Alex for setting up the subforum. And Rounder I had considered what you mentioned about folks not wanting to post their family lines openly. We can probably work around that and try to provide info more on how and where to research rather than a lot of person specific info.

Over the next few days I'll try and gather some info on methods of research and post them here.

For those worried about exposing their families, I'd suggest not posting info on persons still living or specific info regarding anyone born after say 1910 or so.

Records from the US Census are held confidential for 70 years. The 1930 Census was released in 2000. The 1940 Census will be released in 2010. It is highly possible for someone to track down living members of specific families using the Census records, I do this all the time in search of relatives who I have never met and I do find and am able to contact them quite often. I've actually gotten a good amount of info on my family lines using this method, however I do understand how this could be used to satisfy less wholesome motives.

Just use caution regarding the info you post. I'd guess we would be safe discussing genealogies of folks prior to 1900, but we should probably focus more on methods of research and places to find information.

(Thanks Alex, for establishing this geneology sub-forum. But on 2nd thought, it'll receive few geneologies because they might result in outing VNN'ers who post their's. Yet another example of self censorship by "white men" afraid to say who their ancestors were, much less who THEY are)
T.J.B. Who you working for Miller? Do you want a file on all of us? I'm just a nobody here. It's not a matter of your ancestors or WHO you are, it is WHAT you are. So WHAT are you? Al Bundy was still livin off those four touchdowns in high school.

My direct line Confederate grandfather was Thomas D. A. Phillips, Co. C The Davis Rifles, 12th Ga. Inf. He enlisted in Macon County Georgia during July of 1861. He was in 34 battles and skirmishes. His picture is posted in Michael Andrew Grissom's book 'When The South Was Southern' on page 19. He survived The War, walked back home from northern Virginia, and married Mary Francis Redding. He scratched a living out of the good red earth of middle Georgia and made a life for them. At the Dooley County Campgrounds is a Methodist revival pavilion he helped build. Made from cypress, it still stands.

Mary Francis Redding was reputed to be most beautiful. She had bright, clear blue eyes and dark hair. They say her hair was almost black. She was born into a very prosperous family, but her parents died while she was young. So, she was raised, unwanted, by relatives. This branch of my family lost everything to Sherman's bummers. Everything. The bastards burned or stole everything but the dirt and air.

Thomas died at fifty years of age of pneumonia and is buried in Dooley County. Mary died in poverty in, if I remember correctly, 1927. I've stood by her grave with tears in my eyes as I gazed down at her slab. Very rough, cheap cement it is. Her name, birth, and death date were inscribed by a shaky hand in the wet cement with what was probably a nail or a stick. She rests in Elko, GA.

My wife's direct line Confederate grandfather was John William Elmore of Dinwiddie County, Virginia. I don't remember his unit. He fought in some of the same battles that Thomas D.A. did. My wife and I have often thought how cool it would be if they'd met during The War and their descendants got married all these years later.

So family legend has it, during one engagement late in The War, John William found himself without his gear and parched with thirst. He located a creek and was on his hands and knees drinking when a rider came up behind him. The rider said, "What are you doing down there drinking like a horse? Here."

John William looked up as Gen. Robert E. Lee handed him a wooden drinking cup. The cup was handed down through the generations to my wife. We have it on display in our house.

I have to be honest about this, I hated goddamn yankees for a long time. It was a pure unadulterated hate for what they'd done to my country and my people. It was very personal. If I had walked by a lake and saw a yankee White man and a nigger drowning, I'd stand there and watch them both drown. In fact I'd throw rocks at their bobbing heads. But, with the advent of White Nationalism, I've let that go. Now, I'd stand on the nigger's head to pull the yank out.

Because, you see, Our Race Is Our Nation.

My name is Terry Phillips and I'm not worried about a file being made on me. I've been "out" for a long time.

T.J.B. Who you working for Miller? Do you want a file on all of us? I'm just a nobody here. It's not a matter of your ancestors or WHO you are, it is WHAT you are. So WHAT are you? Al Bundy was still livin off those four touchdowns in high school.

Well now ben, it's like this. If I was building files on VNN'ers, then my files on do-nothing-but-talk, anonymous punks, too yellow to place their names alongside what they say they believe even in cyber space (such as you for example) wouldn't be much use to the ZOG anyway, would they ?? So, not to worry. Eh ??

Indeed. Many thanks to Alex for setting up the subforum. And Rounder I had considered what you mentioned about folks not wanting to post their family lines openly. We can probably work around that and try to provide info more on how and where to research rather than a lot of person specific info.

Over the next few days I'll try and gather some info on methods of research and post them here.

For those worried about exposing their families, I'd suggest not posting info on persons still living or specific info regarding anyone born after say 1910 or so.

Records from the US Census are held confidential for 70 years. The 1930 Census was released in 2000. The 1940 Census will be released in 2010. It is highly possible for someone to track down living members of specific families using the Census records, I do this all the time in search of relatives who I have never met and I do find and am able to contact them quite often. I've actually gotten a good amount of info on my family lines using this method, however I do understand how this could be used to satisfy less wholesome motives.

Just use caution regarding the info you post. I'd guess we would be safe discussing genealogies of folks prior to 1900, but we should probably focus more on methods of research and places to find information.

Good advice, Signal. Yes, census checking sounds highly productive. What's the link ?? I assume one can go to the appropriate government website link, then type in a full name, along with the state and county, and get some information on ancestors that way. Is that right ??

Well now ben, it's like this. If I was building files on VNN'ers, then my files on do-nothing-but-talk, anonymous punks, too yellow to place their names alongside what they say they believe even in cyber space (such as you for example) wouldn't be much use to the ZOG anyway, would they ?? So, not to worry. Eh ??
Well, you insult anyone here that doesn't speak at a rally or start a blog and post their address right? Then you don't want them to insult back? So you really want people to take action huh? Then why give them the phoney advice? Why would you want them to do anything that they can just rat their buddies out for to avoid prison? Or join some group where some fat ass fuck like billy boy can just sell members the list? It's nice being the leader and getting all the perks, but not so nice when you are targeted and have a choice between jail 'til senility, or rat your frends out.

My direct line Confederate grandfather was Thomas D. A. Phillips, Co. C The Davis Rifles, 12th Ga. Inf. He enlisted in Macon County Georgia during July of 1861. He was in 34 battles and skirmishes. His picture is posted in Michael Andrew Grissom's book 'When The South Was Southern' on page 19. He survived The War, walked back home from northern Virginia, and married Mary Francis Redding. He scratched a living out of the good red earth of middle Georgia and made a life for them. At the Dooley County Campgrounds is a Methodist revival pavilion he helped build. Made from cypress, it still stands.

Mary Francis Redding was reputed to be most beautiful. She had bright, clear blue eyes and dark hair. They say her hair was almost black. She was born into a very prosperous family, but her parents died while she was young. So, she was raised, unwanted, by relatives. This branch of my family lost everything to Sherman's bummers. Everything. The bastards burned or stole everything but the dirt and air.

Thomas died at fifty years of age of pneumonia and is buried in Dooley County. Mary died in poverty in, if I remember correctly, 1927. I've stood by her grave with tears in my eyes as I gazed down at her slab. Very rough, cheap cement it is. Her name, birth, and death date were inscribed by a shaky hand in the wet cement with what was probably a nail or a stick. She rests in Elko, GA.

My wife's direct line Confederate grandfather was John William Elmore of Dinwiddie County, Virginia. I don't remember his unit. He fought in some of the same battles that Thomas D.A. did. My wife and I have often thought how cool it would be if they'd met during The War and their descendants got married all these years later.

So family legend has it, during one engagement late in The War, John William found himself without his gear and parched with thirst. He located a creek and was on his hands and knees drinking when a rider came up behind him. The rider said, "What are you doing down there drinking like a horse? Here."

John William looked up as Gen. Robert E. Lee handed him a wooden drinking cup. The cup was handed down through the generations to my wife. We have it on display in our house.

I have to be honest about this, I hated goddamn yankees for a long time. It was a pure unadulterated hate for what they'd done to my country and my people. It was very personal. If I had walked by a lake and saw a yankee White man and a nigger drowning, I'd stand there and watch them both drown. In fact I'd throw rocks at their bobbing heads. But, with the advent of White Nationalism, I've let that go. Now, I'd stand on the nigger's head to pull the yank out.

Because, you see, Our Race Is Our Nation.

My name is Terry Phillips and I'm not worried about a file being made on me. I've been "out" for a long time.

An outstanding and an inspiring post, Live Free.

General Sherman bragged that he wanted "to make Georgia howl", as I recall reading somewhere. But according to civil war statistics, it wasn't Georgia or the south who howled the loudest.

350,000 federal troops died during the civil war compared to only 250,000 Johnny Rebs.

I hold no grudges towards northerners. I married one. And like you, I forgive, but will never forget.

Well, you insult anyone here that doesn't speak at a rally or start a blog and post their address right? Then you don't want them to insult back? So you really want people to take action huh? Then why give them the phoney advice? Why would you want them to do anything that they can just rat their buddies out for to avoid prison? Or join some group where some fat ass fuck like billy boy can just sell members the list? It's nice being the leader and getting all the perks, but not so nice when you are targeted and have a choice between jail 'til senility, or rat your frends out.

That's the same argument you yellow punks and crypto antis made against VNN's newspaper activisms for over 3 years. And you succeeded in frightening away most would-be newspaper supporters with your constant paranoia.

And it wasn't just the newspaper, you dispicable paranoid cowards sabotaged every single activism project ever attempted on this forum with your goddamned "The-ZOG-might-get-you", jibberishes.

If you're that freaking paranoid, go shake a freakin bush, and stay off my freakin threads.

Here's one description:

July 1, 1863

"Setting out early that morning, Ewell's 8,500 troops closed in on Gettysburg from the north and northeast. Maj. General Robert Rodes' Division was the first to arrive and attacked the right flank of the Union First Corps on Oak Ridge, the northern extension of Seminary Ridge.

One by one Baxter's troops repulsed the Confederate assaults and annihilated the North Carolina brigade commanded by Brig. General Alfred Iverson. Iverson's soldiers marched into an open field unsupported, not realizing the strength of the Union position behind the stone wall that lay ahead on Oak Ridge. Over 1,100 Union soldiers rose and fired into the southerners from less than 100 feet away. Few escaped the terrible fire unscathed. Many surrendered to Baxter's men as they rushed into the field to take prisoners and capture flags from their fallen bearers." (end of quote)

NOTE: General Iverson's Brigade consisted of the 5th, 12th, 20th, and 23d North Carolina Infantry Regiments. (Google Order of Battle Confederate Gettysburg for proof). My great-great-grandfather Mathew A. Council and 5 of his brothers served in the 5th. Though Mathew died of wounds received at Sharpsburg the previous December, I believe it's very likely that at least 2 or 3 (and maybe all 5) of his brothers who also served in the 5th NC Regiment, were there that day and victims of that ambush.

Iverson btw, did not join his men that day, but instead ordered the assault without first reconning the area. The whole brigade of ( I'm guessing but I know that only a little over 400 men from the 5th arrived at Gettysburg)) 1,500 men marched blindly into an ambush. The criticisms against Iverson were so loud and numerous, General Lee finally stripped him of his command and ordered him to Alabama to recruit calvary men from among civilians. (Google "General Alfred Iverson civil war" for proof of what I just said.)

One report of the ambush I read, stated there were 463 confederate casualties resulting from that ambush in just a matter of seconds. And that all those not killed were taken prisoner.

An outstanding and an inspiring post, Live Free.

General Sherman bragged that he wanted "to make Georgia howl", as I recall reading somewhere. But according to civil war statistics, it wasn't Georgia or the south who howled the loudest.

350,000 federal troops died during the civil war compared to only 250,000 Johnny Rebs.

I hold no grudges towards northerners. I married one. And like you, I forgive, but will never forget.


Good Ol' Rebel by Major Innes Randolph (Despite the poor grammar and spelling Innes Randolph was a highly educated man.)


Oh, I'm a good old Rebel, now that's just what I am,
For this "Fair Land of Freedom" I do not give a damn!
I'm glad I fit against it, I only wish we'd won,
And I don't want no pardon for anything I done.

I hates the Constitution, this Great Republic, too,
I hates the Freedman's Buro in uniforms of blue,
I hates the nasty eagle with all his brag and fuss,
The lying, thieving Yankees, I hates 'em wuss and wuss!

I hates the Yankee nation and everything they do,
I hates the Declaration of Independence, too,
I hates the "Glorious Union" , 'tis dripping with our blood,
I hates their striped banner, I fit it all I could.

I followed old Marse Robert for four years, near about,
Got wounded in three places, and starved at P'int Lookout;
I cotched the "roomatism" a'campin' in the snow,
But I killed a chance o' Yankees, and I'd like to kill some mo'.

Three hundred thousand Yankees is stiff in Southern dust!
We got three hundred thousand before they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever and Southern steel and shot,
I wish they was three million instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket and fight 'em now no more,
But I ain't a'gonna love 'em, now that is sarten sure;
And I don't want no pardon for what I was and am,
I won't be reconstructed, and I do not care a damn!

I won't be reconstructed! I'm better now than them,
And for a carpetbagger, I do not give a damn.
So I'm off for the frontier, soon as I can go,
I'll prepare me a weapon and start for Mexico.

Well now ben, it's like this. If I was building files on VNN'ers, then my files on do-nothing-but-talk, anonymous punks, too yellow to place their names alongside what they say they believe even in cyber space (such as you for example) wouldn't be much use to the ZOG anyway, would they ?? So, not to worry. Eh ??

These do-nothing-but-accuse-and-whine dipshit punk bastards can fuck up anything, eh Glenn? I mean, is there NOTHING we can talk about here without these wastes of space putting in their two shekels worth? This is a geneology thread for Odin's sake.

As Glenn has said many times and I have said quite a few times myself, if anyone were on this forum gathering info for ZOG, 99.99% of the posters here would have nothing to fear because they either do nothing but troll or are ZOG agents themselves doing the same thing.

These do-nothing-but-accuse-and-whine dipshit punk bastards can fuck up anything, eh Glenn? I mean, is there NOTHING we can talk about here without these wastes of space putting in their two shekels worth? This is a geneology thread for Odin's sake.

As Glenn has said many times and I have said quite a few times myself, if anyone were on this forum gathering info for ZOG, 99.99% of the posters here would have nothing to fear because they either do nothing but troll or are ZOG agents themselves doing the same thing.
Can you say "states evidence"? Timothy Dale Johnson did something, have you ? Once an informant, always an informant.

http://www.freetheorder.org/Miller2.html

Hey Ben, you derailed an interesting thread by starting a dumb ass flame war....nice going pal.

Hey Ben, you derailed an interesting thread by starting a dumb ass flame war....nice going pal.
No I didn't. If you look at what he wrote, and his other thread where he calls into question anybody that doesn't join an 'eat meet and retreat 'organization. "Hey look at me, I'm so great, so are my ancestors". "I was a Master Sergeant, whoop de doo".

Says Glenn Miller
(Thanks Alex, for establishing this geneology sub-forum. But on 2nd thought, it'll receive few geneologies because they might result in outing VNN'ers who post their's. Yet another example of self censorship by "white men" afraid to say who their ancestors were, much less who THEY are)
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"...In the mid 1980's, there was a political militia group called "The Patriots of North Carolina" led by an ex-green beret named Glen Miller. The group met on a regular basis and the membership grew by leaps and bounds. It was pretty impressive when 500 or more would parade through rural towns with confederate flags flying. At the zenith of their popularity, the government accused the leadership of buying stolen guns. Miller issued a bulletin to members to attack the enemy… while he fled. No one heeded this nonsense. Many of the accused also went on the lam, but were all quickly apprehended. It seems the government knew exactly where their hideouts were. Glen Miller then shocked everyone by being the star witness for the prosecution. He then slithered into the underworld of the Federal Witness Protection Program.

Miller was an American counterpart to what happened with the fall of Apartheid in South Africa. He took the disgruntled political spirit of North Carolina and organized it into a coherent force with the potential to break into the mainstream. This done, he destroyed his creation and wiped out political dissent in N.C. for a generation. Moreover, he flushed down the toilet the capacity to organize in a calculated way in order to make honest bona fide organizations look suspicious.... Our Movement cannot afford too many Glen Millers."

Good advice, Signal. Yes, census checking sounds highly productive. What's the link ?? I assume one can go to the appropriate government website link, then type in a full name, along with the state and county, and get some information on ancestors that way. Is that right ??

Rounder I haven't had time to gather a lot of genealogy links as of yet, but while you're waiting try this: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncgenweb/county.html

I'm assuming your main interests at this point are going to center in North Carolina. That link is to the county page for the NC section of the US GenWeb project. You'll find county by county links to info from each county in NC, some may have census info some may not. There is also church records, wills and land records, biographies, marriage, birth and death records, etc for each county, the amount of which just depends on what researchers have submitted.

I'll try and get more stuff in here soon.

No I didn't. If you look at what he wrote, and his other thread where he calls into question anybody that doesn't join an 'eat meet and retreat 'organization. "Hey look at me, I'm so great, so are my ancestors". "I was a Master Sergeant, whoop de doo".

Shockley, no offense brother, but I'm going to have to agree with Steve on this one. Your attack on Rounder has fuck what to do with genealogy?

We've all heard just about every angle of every argument regarding the situation. You're not telling us anything new. Although you do seem to know a lot about Glenn. Could you tell us just how many of Glenn's functions or events you've attended?

For the record, I attended several of his marches back when the White Patriot Party was active and ZOG hasn't gotten me yet, so I really don't think there's too much to worry about at this point.

Good Ol' Rebel by Major Innes Randolph (Despite the poor grammar and spelling Innes Randolph was a highly educated man.)


Oh, I'm a good old Rebel, now that's just what I am,
For this "Fair Land of Freedom" I do not give a damn!
I'm glad I fit against it, I only wish we'd won,
And I don't want no pardon for anything I done.

I hates the Constitution, this Great Republic, too,
I hates the Freedman's Buro in uniforms of blue,
I hates the nasty eagle with all his brag and fuss,
The lying, thieving Yankees, I hates 'em wuss and wuss!

I hates the Yankee nation and everything they do,
I hates the Declaration of Independence, too,
I hates the "Glorious Union" , 'tis dripping with our blood,
I hates their striped banner, I fit it all I could.

I followed old Marse Robert for four years, near about,
Got wounded in three places, and starved at P'int Lookout;
I cotched the "roomatism" a'campin' in the snow,
But I killed a chance o' Yankees, and I'd like to kill some mo'.

Three hundred thousand Yankees is stiff in Southern dust!
We got three hundred thousand before they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever and Southern steel and shot,
I wish they was three million instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket and fight 'em now no more,
But I ain't a'gonna love 'em, now that is sarten sure;
And I don't want no pardon for what I was and am,
I won't be reconstructed, and I do not care a damn!

I won't be reconstructed! I'm better now than them,
And for a carpetbagger, I do not give a damn.
So I'm off for the frontier, soon as I can go,
I'll prepare me a weapon and start for Mexico.

A good un, Live Free. I memorized parts of it back in the 80s and still remember. Parts are also included in my book.

Yes, the stars and stripes really does "drip with our blood". But on the other hand, union troops (like all American troops including southerners who fought in WWI and WWII) only followed orders from their race-traitor rulers. And all were duped into believing they were fighting for their country.

Southerners who killed Germans in WWII aren't much better than northerners who killed rebels in the Civil War, in my judgment anyway. Both were disastrous to our race.

But compared to what the GD jews have done, are doing, and will do to our race in future, what they did doesn't amount to a flea crawling up an elephant's ass with rape on his mind.

Rounder I haven't had time to gather a lot of genealogy links as of yet, but while you're waiting try this: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncgenweb/county.html

I'm assuming your main interests at this point are going to center in North Carolina. That link is to the county page for the NC section of the US GenWeb project. You'll find county by county links to info from each county in NC, some may have census info some may not. There is also church records, wills and land records, biographies, marriage, birth and death records, etc for each county, the amount of which just depends on what researchers have submitted.

I'll try and get more stuff in here soon.

Thanks, Signal. I'll spend some time researching at that link. I'm particularly interesting in obtaining civil war records of my great-great grandfather's 6 brothers who also fought in that war. I already have his, including the Union's POW card bearing his name, and date and location of his death.

Years ago, I compiled a large notebook containing photos and genealogical documents related to my Allen ancestors (going back to 1689 and "Reynolds Allen) for my children and posterity. Now, I'm working on the "Councils". I don't know diddily squat yet about the Millers or Hornes beyond my grandparents, though. "Horne" (my father's mother's maiden name) is Scottish, I think. And according to my father, our Miller ancestor came from Germany, but I have no solid confirmation of that.

Shockley, no offense brother, but I'm going to have to agree with Steve on this one. Your attack on Rounder has fuck what to do with genealogy?

We've all heard just about every angle of every argument regarding the situation. You're not telling us anything new. Although you do seem to know a lot about Glenn. Could you tell us just how many of Glenn's functions or events you've attended?

For the record, I attended several of his marches back when the White Patriot Party was active and ZOG hasn't gotten me yet, so I really don't think there's too much to worry about at this point.

Miller attacked first
1) Men who don't announce their name, address and occupation are not white, says Glenn
I also let Miller have the last word, and Ironguard needed to rehash it

I can think of two dozen reasons why you just don't 'out' yourself.

T.J.B. Who you working for Miller? Do you want a file on all of us? I'm just a nobody here. It's not a matter of your ancestors or WHO you are, it is WHAT you are. So WHAT are you? Al Bundy was still livin off those four touchdowns in high school.

Now that you mentioned it, I did in fact catch 3 touchdown passes in one game my junior year in HS. And I also made the All Conference basketball team that same year. Millbrook HS, Millbrook NC - 1958.

Not to mention being elected "Best Looking" (1959) and having the best looking gal in the whole damn school - Patrica Ann Butler. Me and her wore out the back seat of my 1950 red ford convertible my dad bought for $150.00. he he.

Oh, glory days !!!

Miller attacked first
1) Men who don't announce their name, address and occupation are not white, says Glenn

Prove I said that or confess you lied.

A good un, Live Free. I memorized parts of it back in the 80s and still remember. Parts are also included in my book.

Yes, the stars and stripes really does "drip with our blood". But on the other hand, union troops (like all American troops including southerners who fought in WWI and WWII) only followed orders from their race-traitor rulers. And all were duped into believing they were fighting for their country.

Southerners who killed Germans in WWII aren't much better than northerners who killed rebels in the Civil War, in my judgment anyway. Both were disastrous to our race.

But compared to what the GD jews have done, are doing, and will do to our race in future, what they did doesn't amount to a flea crawling up an elephant's ass with rape on his mind.

Yeah, Glenn what I've done, philosophically, is to transfer any hatred I have to what I've found from much study and observation over the years to be the root cause of most of the evil done to our people: the jews.

Who finances both sides in every war?

Who finances the pollution of culture?

Who is behind every piece of putrid legislation that harms our people?

I could make a list that goes on and on, but the choir is here and they know it already.

Good Ol' Rebel is one of my favorites because of the tone of utter defiance. The unbeaten, unreconstructed determination in the face of God and man to refuse the huggy-huggy, kissy-kissy, now let's place nice bullshit. If you're a real man that knows how to hate, then you have to know how to love completely. Because it is only the man who can love something or someone completely that can in turn hate the thing that threatens what he loves utterly. If you're going to hate, make it absolute.

As for the ambiance of Good Ol' Rebel, just substitute jew for yankee and you've got where I'm at.

Prove I said that or confess you lied.Confessions?

Originally Posted by Rounder View Post

(Thanks Alex, for establishing this geneology sub-forum. But on 2nd thought, it'll receive few geneologies because they might result in outing VNN'ers who post their's. Yet another example of self censorship by "white men" afraid to say who their ancestors were, much less who THEY are)




Says Rounder:
Man, am I impressed with this fellow, John De Nugent, after reading some of his writings and viewing him on youtube videos.

I'd never heard of him until a few days ago. So I checked privately with WNs whose judgment I trust. They all said John Nugent is genuine. A very trusted friend and long time activist, Roy Armstrong, one of Duke's close associates, said he's known John for 25 years, and trusts him completely.

I even phoned Will Williams who gave John a good report.

John is placing both his feet into the battle arena now. He boldly proclaims his name, face, address, and phone number before the ZOGs. And his brilliance, racial stock, charisma, jew-wiseness and courage are plain for all to see. He's even got a military background added to his super impressive leadership resume.

John deserves the most generous support of all genuinely serious VNN'ers.

Sieg Heil !!!

Yeah, Glenn what I've done, philosophically, is to transfer any hatred I have to what I've found from much study and observation over the years to be the root cause of most of the evil done to our people: the jews.

Who finances both sides in every war?

Who finances the pollution of culture?

Who is behind every piece of putrid legislation that harms our people?

I could make a list that goes on and on, but the choir is here and they know it already.

Good Ol' Rebel is one of my favorites because of the tone of utter defiance. The unbeaten, unreconstructed determination in the face of God and man to refuse the huggy-huggy, kissy-kissy, now let's place nice bullshit. If you're a real man that knows how to hate, then you have to know how to love completely. Because it is only the man who can love something or someone completely that can in turn hate the thing that threatens what he loves utterly. If you're going to hate, make it absolute.

As for the ambiance of Good Ol' Rebel, just substitute jew for yankee and you've got where I'm at.

Well said, Live Free.

Southerners share a common history, common warrior ancestors, common religion and a common accent. We've been singled out and attacked with the worse demonization propaganda by the jewsmedia for more than half a century. Anti-south hate propaganda so effectively dehumanizing, it's caused millions of white southerners to lie to themselves and to their own children that they're part Indian to escape the stigma of being what they really are - to abandon their own people.

But it is this common victimization by the jews and by the GD niggers sicc'ed on us by the jews, that will unite us and make us stronger, once the great southern white masses become jew-wise, thus racially aware.

You may recall from my book that ONLY southern white people were allowed full membership in the White Patriot Party. Now you know why.

Now, I'm working on the "Councils".

I believe these two Wills are related to your Councils.

Will of Hodges Councill
In ye Name of God, I Hodges Councill of ye Isle of Wight County, planter, being in good health & Body & ye sound mind & memory, praised be to Almight God, do I make & ordain this my last will and testament in manner & form following.
First and principally I commend my soul unto ye hands of Almighty God, & hoping through ye merritts of my Savior Jesus Christ to have passion for all my sins & my body to ye earth to be decently Buried by ye hereafter named; & touching ye dispossing of all such temporall goods as it has pleased God to bestow upon me, I give and dispose of as follows:
I will yt my debts & morall charges be first paid & discharded.
I give unto my eldest Hodges Councill 200 acres of land out of ye Pattent of three hundred twenty; yt joins upon Blackwater, to him & heirs forever, & ye other 120 of forest tract or Pattent I give unto my Grandson Hodges Councill ye younger, unto him & his heirs forever.
Item. I give unto my daughter Christian, the wife of Edward Briand 200 acres on the S. W. side of the branch of my house & to that neck of land between the two branches... I give unto my daughter Lucy Councill 200 acres beginning at the corner tree... unto her & the heirs of her body & for want of such heirs unto my son Hardy Councill & his heirs forever. I give & bequeath unto son Robt. Council 200 acres unto him & his heirs of his body forever... to him & his heirs forever & and for want of such heirs unto my son Jno Councill & his heirs forever. I give & bequeath unto my son Hardy Councill all the rest of my land, Plantation I now live on being 290 acres, unto my son Hardy Councill & his heirs of his body begotten forever & for want of such heirs unto son Hodges Councill & his heirs forever. All the rest of my personal estate I leave to be disposed of by deed of gift.
My loving son Hardy Councill I do make & ordain to be my sole Executor of this my last will & testaments by me heretofore made.
In witness thereof I the said Hodges Councill to this my last will & testament being contained in two sides of a sheet of paper set my seal & hand the 9th day of Aug. in the year of our Lord 1699.
(Signed by his HC mark) Hodges Councill Seal. (Published in open Court Will Book Vol 2, p 419. Isle of Wight Co, VA)

In the name of God Amen, I KIMBRO COUNCIL of the Co of Chatham, State of NC, being of sound and perfect mind and memory, blessed be God, do this the 25th day of May 1843 make and publish my last Will and Testament in manner following, that is to say;
First – I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Adia Council the tract of land on which I now reside containing 145 acres, more or less, during her lifetime or widowhood with all the privileges ___________________. And also as much of my perishable property as she thinks fit to take. This I also give to her during her lifetime or widowhood.
In_______ where of I have here unto sit my hand and seal.
K. Council Seal
The only witness name I can read is Robert C. Council ( This will was found among the papers of Kimbro Council after his death in 1857. It was never recorded. As was stated his death was sudden. This Will was written in 1843 and witnessed by his brother Robert Caswell Council. - XXXXX Council XXXXX)

I've omitted the name of a researcher at the end of the note on the "Kimbro" Council Will.

This Council line appears to go back to a John Council and Elizabeth Drake, possibly from Devonshire, England. Seems that John Council was the first Council to America and came to Isle of Wright Co.VA.

See here:
http://bjhughes.org/council.html

From another source, a map of some early land owners of Isle of Wright Co. VA:

http://www.usgwarchives.org/va/isleofwight/deeds/maps/north.gif

http://www.usgwarchives.org/va/isleofwight/imagendx.htm

Also, concerning Miller, was your grandmother's name Cora or Hannah?

I believe these two Wills are related to your Councils.





I've omitted the name of a researcher at the end of the note on the "Kimbro" Council Will.

This Council line appears to go back to a John Council and Elizabeth Drake, possibly from Devonshire, England. Seems that John Council was the first Council to America and came to Isle of Wright Co.VA.

See here:
http://bjhughes.org/council.html

From another source, a map of some early land owners of Isle of Wright Co. VA:

http://www.usgwarchives.org/va/isleofwight/deeds/maps/north.gif

http://www.usgwarchives.org/va/isleofwight/imagendx.htm

Also, concerning Miller, was your grandmother's name Cora or Hannah?

Wow. That's amazing. Yes, Hodges Council (1643-1699) was my Council forefather. And yes, his father John Council who married Elizabeth Drake (a close relative of Sir Francis Drake according to one report, btw), was the first Council in America. John Council was born in England in 1597. Hodges and his wife, Lucy Hardy, had 8 children, all born in Virginia.

I already had those two wills, but not the map showing land ownership. Thanks.

I can't believe you know my grandmother's first name: Hannah. Maiden name Hannah Horne (or Horn) who married Jesse C Miller in Dillon county, SC (though it may have been part of Marion county at the time). Where did you find her name ?? She bore 10 children and raised 11, including a "woods colt" girl named Mattie Bell Miller, the offspring of my grandfather and a large, blue-eyed, blonde field hand. The other 10 named: Frazier Glenn Miller, Braxton, Robert, Ferald, Simon, Joe C, Eunice, Gerald Dean, Mildred, and Eugenie.

Anything you can find on them will be greatly appreciated.

Here's the link:

http://www.researchonline.net/

Scroll down to "google". Then type in the name of the regiment (example: 5th NC Infantry Regiment).

A book was published on each confederate unit containing the list of battles the unit fought in, detailed information about the battles, and also an alphabetical listing of all the men who served in that unit and even the company. Companies contained approximately 100 men. Regiments averaged 1,100.

I've already obtained the book covering the 35th NC Infantry Regiment, and I'm awaiting the book covering the 5th. Cost is $19.95 each. You can order with credit card.

My grandfather, Hickman Allen, was a civil war history buff. Once he bragged to me that "Stonewall could take 5,000 men and whip 20,000".

He also told me a joke that I'll never forget and have often remembered and laughed about.

"Two old rebels after the war. One said: "Well, the GD yankees didn't steal my wife's jewlry.

The other said: "How the hell did you save it"?

First answered: "Why, I hide it in my wife's vagina, that's how"

Second one yelled: "Hot damn, if I'd thought of that, I coulda saved my mule and wagon."

Rounder, of the 18 ancestors and relatives of mine who fought for the Confederacy, 14 of them were killed - either in action or in prison.

Unlike most Southern boys, I grew up admiring the man, Hitler, who I quickly realized was the ultimate enemy of those in control (I didn't figure out who they were for a while). It was, admittedly, a reactionary response, but after doing the necessary research I found my instincts to be 100% accurate.

That said, I've often been amazed by some nazi wanna-bes who tell me that my flag and my heritage aren't "salable", as if theirs is.

I never bought into the redneck stuff, as many have, thinking it is what being Southern was about. If you have, and I don't know, I mean no offense to you. But the Old South was much more, and in my opinion, much better than that.

Anyway, I know that you've brought this up before, so I know that it bothers you, as it does me. Never fear, Whites will never beat the Jew by uniting in some all encompassing union. They will only do it by forcibly retaking their own, separate, lands. There's plenty of room for cooperation and I heartily recommend it, but that'll only come from sovereign peoples.

As the dirty and shit-stained ole USA finally crumbles, look for two separate but alike spirits to come forward, the German and the Southern. No, neither are entirely intact, but they will be.

Rounder, of the 18 ancestors and relatives of mine who fought for the Confederacy, 14 of them were killed - either in action or in prison.

Impressive, ohgolly. Mighty impressive. It might explain your own dedication as demonstrated by your huge support for VNN's newspaper activisms.

Unlike most Southern boys, I grew up admiring the man, Hitler, who I quickly realized was the ultimate enemy of those in control (I didn't figure out who they were for a while). It was, admittedly, a reactionary response, but after doing the necessary research I found my instincts to be 100% accurate.

You became jew-wise at a much younger age than me. I was 27 before I even became suspicious, and a brainwashed liberal before that.

That said, I've often been amazed by some nazi wanna-bes who tell me that my flag and my heritage aren't "salable", as if theirs is.

The Confederate Battle Flag is probably the most salable symbol of all symbols, at least for fed-up white people, especially southerners. Tens of millions of whom still get lumps in their throats when they listen to "Dixie" while the rebel flag flutters in the wind.

I never bought into the redneck stuff, as many have, thinking it is what being Southern was about. If you have, and I don't know, I mean no offense to you. But the Old South was much more, and in my opinion, much better than that.

Yes, the Old South was full of honest, honorable, chivalrous white men who viewed the word "duty" as sacred. The lived the motto "death before dishonor". Modern southern men are entirely different - victims of 50 years of decadent kikenmedia filth, and beaten down by anti-south hate propaganda. Cowardice has become the white man's survival strategy, as a result. But deep down, southerners seeth with hatred. They can be cured, especially the youth, and turned into dedicated, jew-wise, activists. Besides, we gotta go with what we've got.

Anyway, I know that you've brought this up before, so I know that it bothers you, as it does me. Never fear, Whites will never beat the Jew by uniting in some all encompassing union. They will only do it by forcibly retaking their own, separate, lands. There's plenty of room for cooperation and I heartily recommend it, but that'll only come from sovereign peoples.

I don't know for sure what it'll take to beat the jew, southern unity, national unity, international unity, or a combination of the three. Separate sovereign white peoples supporting each other jointly against the jews and muds is sure OK with me, though.

As the dirty and shit-stained ole USA finally crumbles, look for two separate but alike spirits to come forward, the German and the Southern. No, neither are entirely intact, but they will be.

Yes, like I said, the Germans under Hitler, and Southerners under Lee and Stonewall were the greatest white people in history. And no two other peoples have been more demonized by the jews.

I also let Miller have the last word, and Ironguard needed to rehash it.

I certainly did NOT name anyone specifically, but if you want to fess up to being one of those do-nothing-but-accuse-and-whine dipshit punk bastards I was referring to, feel free. You just happen to be the one running your mouth to Glenn when I posted. If you don't like Glenn or myself, fine. We will survive. However, what motivates people like you to flame a geneology thread? Why don't you and Jett Rink take turns flaming each other?

Yes, like I said, the Germans under Hitler, and Southerners under Lee and Stonewall were the greatest white people in history. And no two other peoples have been more demonized by the jews.

Agreed. Because of that, White Southerners and racially conscious Germans have been demonized by many of our/their own people thanks to the goddamn jews, which is the absolute worst thing that could happen. White Southern and German self-hatred have put us in the position we are in. The kikes' nonstop brainwashing through their mega media machine for decades have produced at least two generations of niggerloving, self-hating White people. Racial consciousness within the White race is a rarity now it seems. It does however speak volumes that the jew still considers us the greatest threat to their existence.

Wow. That's amazing. Yes, Hodges Council (1643-1699) was my Council forefather. And yes, his father John Council who married Elizabeth Drake (a close relative of Sir Francis Drake according to one report, btw), was the first Council in America. John Council was born in England in 1597. Hodges and his wife, Lucy Hardy, had 8 children, all born in Virginia.

I already had those two wills, but not the map showing land ownership. Thanks.

I can't believe you know my grandmother's first name: Hannah. Maiden name Hannah Horne (or Horn) who married Jesse C Miller in Dillon county, SC (though it may have been part of Marion county at the time). Where did you find her name ?? She bore 10 children and raised 11, including a "woods colt" girl named Mattie Bell Miller, the offspring of my grandfather and a large, blue-eyed, blonde field hand. The other 10 named: Frazier Glenn Miller, Braxton, Robert, Ferald, Simon, Joe C, Eunice, Gerald Dean, Mildred, and Eugenie.

Anything you can find on them will be greatly appreciated.

Glad to be of assistance Rounder. I simply searched google and a few genealogy sites with some of the info you had disclosed here. That led me to a "Frazier Miller" and wife "Cora Lee Gray" with a son "Frazier Lee Miller" (who I first suspected to be your grandfather) living in North Carolina in the early 1900s. This, of course is not the right family. I figured that out based on your year of birth which you had also mentioned.

So then we're at a deadend, or "brickwall" as genealogists call it. Then I picked my copy of your book, of which one of the dedications on the first few pages was to your grandfather, J.C. Miller. Running "Jesse Miller" and "Horne" through the same sites that I started with lead me to Dillon County South Carolina and some info including Census indexes, obituaries, cemetery records, etc.

It seems that Hannah was born around 1894 and appears to be the daughter of a John Horne of Dillon (previously Marion) County SC. They are listed in the 1900 Census indexes for that area, but I haven't found a place to access those actual Census records online for free. Your parents are also already listed in the LDS database (http://familysearch.org), however it doesn't give any info prior to J.C. and Hannah Miller.

I have turned up a little info on some of these Millers, which I'll PM you later, as some names and dates might be considered "sensitive" info.

Additionally, concerning the Allens, I found a chapter of a book online detailing descendants of Reynolds Allen and your immediate family is listed there.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/fentress/Allens/allens11.htm

More later.

Agreed. Because of that, White Southerners and racially conscious Germans have been demonized by many of our/their own people thanks to the goddamn jews, which is the absolute worst thing that could happen. White Southern and German self-hatred have put us in the position we are in. The kikes' nonstop brainwashing through their mega media machine for decades have produced at least two generations of niggerloving, self-hating White people. Racial consciousness within the White race is a rarity now it seems. It does however speak volumes that the jew still considers us the greatest threat to their existence.

Very well said, Ironguard. And oh so true.

I certainly did NOT name anyone specifically, but if you want to fess up to being one of those do-nothing-but-accuse-and-whine dipshit punk bastards I was referring to, feel free. You just happen to be the one running your mouth to Glenn when I posted. If you don't like Glenn or myself, fine. We will survive. However, what motivates people like you to flame a geneology thread? Why don't you and Jett Rink take turns flaming each other?
You certainly knew who you were talking about, so don't try to bullshit me. And actually, dipshit, I wasn't running my mouth, I typed it in on a computer screen.
And it is not me that is making the accusation, it is a lot of people in prison:

But First a Word from John Gerhardt

In today's mail I received this article from Order prisoner Richard Kemp. I was writing a letter to Richard when Miller flipped in his story & tried to excuse his own betrayal by FALSELY accusing the Order prisoners of all having ratted on him. Richard states the truth. He also further refutes Miller's allegation that no one went to jail because of him.

Richard gives sound advice about so-called "leaders" who endorse & support this informant/traitor & his attempted come back into what some of us still call a movement. A few more groups are anticipated to come out with their own public repudiation of the informant/traitor would be: what is the current value in inflation adjusted dollars of 30 pieces of silver?. Those who haven't, need to be asked, why not? A few days ago a statement from Ft Smith defendant Louis Beam circulated the Internet. In addition to the statements of Order prisoners Randy Evans, Richard Scutari, David Lane and co-defendant Louis Beam, we now have the statement of Order prisoner Richard Kemp.

Miller has bragged about the money he has given to various "leaders." Some of whom have been known to openly support this traitor. An appropriate question for those pretending to still be White "leaders" while supporting this informant/traitor would be: what is the current value in inflation adjusted dollars of 30 pieces of silver?

And now a statement from Richard Kemp: POW-The Order

It has come to my attention that a government informant has been resurrected as a "respected leader" by the "white wing". As much as it pains me to say it, Frazier Glenn Miller is a known government informant and has no business cleaning toilets at White gatherings, let alone being permitted to sit at the table with leaders of our people. He should not even be afforded the opportunity to speak as nothing he can say would justify or undo his sordid deeds.

Back in the 1980's I looked up to Miller. He was able to put hundreds of flag waving people in the streets. His reputation as a man of action and a force to be reckoned with was renowned from coast to coast. He gave us a lot of hope in those bygone days. Robert Mathews was so impressed by Miller he made a point to visit him and support his activities on numerous occasions.

Now, Robert Mathews was willing to fight and die so Frazier Glenn Miller could continue to nurture the seeds that were sown and perhaps reap the harvest, yet the paper tiger Miller was never willing to reciprocate the same degree of devotion.

Supposedly Miller was an ex Green Beret. If this is true, Miller disgraces this exalted warrior fraternity, for when Miller was called to answer for his crimes and duplicity against the government, he proved his heart pumps Kool Aid.

Miller used his faux-military bearing to become a darling government stooge as he testified in more than one trial against good, stout-hearted men. He betrayed at least one of his lieutenants in the North Carolina organization he claimed to have built. It saddened me to hear someone I admired betrayed his own comrades when he got caught trying to pretend he could fill Robert Mathews' shoes. I was horrified when I learned Miller was to be a star witness against respected leaders like Robert Miles, Richard Butler and Louis Beam in the Fort Smith, Ark sedition trial back in the late 1980's. Granted the accused were found not guilty in this instance, but I assure you it was not from Miller trying to assist the defense.

In a feeble attempt to justify his betrayal, I heard Miller recently posted on the Internet that all the Order members were rats; alleging all made deals against him. This is absolutely not true. I can assure you I have never uttered a word about Miller until this current writing. I know for a fact that I didn't make any deals. I know Robert Mathews, David Lane, Randy Duey, Randy Evans, Richard Scutari, David Tate, Frank Silva, Andrew Barnhill and Jean Margaret Craig didn't make any deals, either. Nor have I seen any paperwork that proves they ever made statements or cooperated with the government in any way.

On the other hand, I know Frazier Glenn Miller couldn't walk the prison yard using his real name. He has put too many good people behind bars and has ruined the lives of many White families. He's a living mockery to the 14 Words. If he's allowed to attend meetings and hobnob with our so-called "leaders" we may as well invite Morris Dees and crew to sit at our table.

Frazier Glenn Miller made his choice. Rather than stand and take his lumps he peed down his leg. I cannot respect someone like that and will never forgive him, either.

We are in a real struggle. People's lives are at stake. This is not some game where we can pick up the pieces and go home. This is not television where we can just turn off the dummy box and forget about the show. David Lane will die in prison because of Frazer Glenn Miller. How long will we stand by and let the James Ellison's, the Bill Riccio's and the Frazier Glenn Miller's play at being "men?" These government agents talk a mean fight but when it comes down to the nitty gritty they are quick to betray good men and women, condemning them to languish in ZOG's gulags with their testimony.

We don't need more martyrs. I urge you not to give money nor support to Frazier Glenn Miller. Don't support "leaders" who openly embrace this federal stooge. As far as I am concerned Miller can hang out with George Burdi aka George Erik Hawthorne, Thomas Martinez, Greg Withrow, William Soderquist, Denver Day Parmenter, Robert Merki, Bill Riccio, James Ellison, and their ilk. All of them played at being real men and proved they were not up to the task. No longer should they have a voice in anything to do with our people. They should be considered as outlaws of old and be forever banished from our community.

Burn us once shame on them, burn us twice shame on us for being so pitifully stupid as to trust known informants and government agents.

I remain a steadfast servant of our Folk

Richard Kemp
I was just asking questions about said persons motivations on why he wants everyone to be 'out in the open'. The senior citizen typed in his arrogant response, so be it.
And not being out in the open, it's called 'plausible deniability' .
So put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it.

Glad to be of assistance Rounder. I simply searched google and a few genealogy sites with some of the info you had disclosed here. That led me to a "Frazier Miller" and wife "Cora Lee Gray" with a son "Frazier Lee Miller" (who I first suspected to be your grandfather) living in North Carolina in the early 1900s. This, of course is not the right family. I figured that out based on your year of birth which you had also mentioned.

So then we're at a deadend, or "brickwall" as genealogists call it. Then I picked my copy of your book, of which one of the dedications on the first few pages was to your grandfather, J.C. Miller. Running "Jesse Miller" and "Horne" through the same sites that I started with lead me to Dillon County South Carolina and some info including Census indexes, obituaries, cemetery records, etc.

It seems that Hannah was born around 1894 and appears to be the daughter of a John Horne of Dillon (previously Marion) County SC. They are listed in the 1900 Census indexes for that area, but I haven't found a place to access those actual Census records online for free. Your parents are also already listed in the LDS database (http://familysearch.org), however it doesn't give any info prior to J.C. and Hannah Miller.

I have turned up a little info on some of these Millers, which I'll PM you later, as some names and dates might be considered "sensitive" info.

Additionally, concerning the Allens, I found a chapter of a book online detailing descendants of Reynolds Allen and your immediate family is listed there.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/fentress/Allens/allens11.htm

More later.

I'm much obliged to ya, Live Free. And I'll look forward to receiving that "sensitive" info. I didn't even know my grandmother was born in 1894, or that her father's name was John. Thanks, again. Actually, my grandfather married her sister first. But after some years and her not producing any children, he divorced her and married her sister (my grandmother) who produced 10 children for him, 6 boys and 4 girls, including my father. The bigger the family, the bigger the crops, the fatter his wallet. And according to my dad, he stared at the ceiling for half hour every morning before getting up, then had a job for all 11 young'uns that would last all day. Great organizer. The 13-member family ate a whole ham for breakfast. Little money, but always plenty to eat.

His twin brother btw, who everybody called "Boss" Miller also produced 10 children. One of them, a delightful, smiling lady of about 75, who was so incredibly white and whose eyes were so blue, she reminded me of a Pillsbury Doe girl, bragged to me at my father's funeral in 2002, that all 10 were still living.

A book was published in the 1800s covering the old families of Dillon and Marion counties. One of my Miller aunts got ahold of a transcript from that book, and let lots of Millers, including me, read it.

Commenting on the Millers, the author said the men were giants, but rowdy and uncivilized, and that he (the author) hoped future generations of Millers would be an improvement. The author also said the Millers and the Barfields, whom he described as skinny, but wiry and fast, were constantly fueding. One day while on the banks of Pee Dee River, they got into a big brawl, and one of the Miller's stomach was cut open. But other Millers hauled him home in a wagon, holding his guts in his hands, and in no time, he was as good as new again. (Words to those effects, anyhow).

I remember some of those Miller's names: William, Edmund, and Gunjer Bill Miller, though the author listed about 10 Miller sons involved in the fight. The author also said there were lots of gals in that Miller family, but that he hadn't written down their names.

Incidently, I named my youngest son, Michael Gunjer Miller, after that particular uncle.

You certainly knew who you were talking about, so don't try to bullshit me. And actually, dipshit, I wasn't running my mouth, I typed it in on a computer screen.
And it is not me that is making the accusation, it is a lot of people in prison:

I was just asking questions about said persons motivations on why he wants everyone to be 'out in the open'. The senior citizen typed in his arrogant response, so be it.
And not being out in the open, it's called 'plausible deniability' .
So put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it.

I do not smoke a pipe, you do-nothing-but whine whiny baby. As I said, I was not accusing you per se because I do not pay that close attention who is flaming at the particular moment I type my reply. However, you can call doing nothing whatever technical term you want, but you do have the essential term for what you are in, DENIAL, correct. People like you always want to flame real activists like Glenn, then get offended when they actually respond or someone else defends them. And as for who is a dipshit, yes, I am, because I am a fool for sitting here wasting my time having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Do us all a favor and break your goddamn keyboard.

BTW, why does anyone care what someone in prison says when did they same thing they accuse Glenn of doing?

You certainly knew who you were talking about, so don't try to bullshit me. And actually, dipshit, I wasn't running my mouth, I typed it in on a computer screen.
And it is not me that is making the accusation, it is a lot of people in prison:

I was just asking questions about said persons motivations on why he wants everyone to be 'out in the open'. The senior citizen typed in his arrogant response, so be it.
And not being out in the open, it's called 'plausible deniability' .
So put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it.


http://www.whty.org/myside.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=7oT3eRnQJB0C&pg=PA99&lpg=PA99&dq=Finn's+Point&source=web&ots=UN-vM-kWb6&sig=TfEHGkeIYeWIGT4EMOoXVP5dylI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA100,M1


The following is taken from that link:

"Sadly, Fort Delaware (Finn's Point POW camp) became the union's counterpart of Andersonville. It was hell for it's prisoners. The only water supply was polluted river water. Clouds of mosquitoes bred in the swampy surroundings. Maleria and sysentery, fatal at the time, killed thousands. Daily, boatloads of corpses were ferried over to Fort Mott to be unceremoniously dumped into long trenches."

NOTE: That POW camp, at the time, was located on an 86 acre river island called "Pea Patch", in Delaware.

My great-great grandfather, Mathew Addison Council, who died there on 14 December 1862, after being wounded and captured during the Battle of Antietam on 17 September 1862, is listed on the union's published list of confederates who died on that island. I've obtained a copy of his official union POW card, bearing his name, date of death, and his regiment.

Mathew was wounded and captured only two months after he'd joined the confederate army in July 1862 - 5th North Carolina Infantry Regiment.

I do not smoke a pipe, you do-nothing-but whine whiny baby. As I said, I was not accusing you per se because I do not pay that close attention who is flaming at the particular moment I type my reply. However, you can call doing nothing whatever technical term you want, but you do have the essential term for what you are in, DENIAL, correct. People like you always want to flame real activists like Glenn, then get offended when they actually respond or someone else defends them. And as for who is a dipshit, yes, I am, because I am a fool for sitting here wasting my time having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Do us all a favor and break your goddamn keyboard.

BTW, why does anyone care what someone in prison says when did they same thing they accuse Glenn of doing?
Maybe the two of you can do some activism in the local senior citizens home. You can declare a whole section of the home off limits to the mexis and nigs and filipinos that will be working there. Now that would be activism.

I think we both agree you are a dpshit. But sorry, I am armed with sarcasm and wit, instead of name calling. And I use a laptop, so no keyboard there. Maybe you can just break your own.
As far as your last statemnent, figure it out yourself.

Timothy Dale Johnson, a loner, and a stereotypical middle aged loser ( he worked at target, not even a manager), did not go join a group, sign his name up and bellyache. What did he do?

There were attrocities commited by both the Confederates and Federals inside POW camps. Andersonville, GA was the worse run by Confederates. Finn's Point, it seems, was the worse run by federals.

However, southern generals and politicians wanted to institute prisoner-exchange, one for one. But because this policy would have benefitted the greatly outnumbered south far moreso than the north, Lincoln opposed prisoner exchange, even though he was well aware of POW camp attrocities at the time.

I don't know if the Genealogy sub-forum is the right place for this post, but it does concern a couple of my Southern Ancestors. These stories have been handed down in my family as true. There's more. Take them for what you will.

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One of my Confederate ancestors was a surgeon in The War. After Lee's surrender he walked back home to southwest Georgia from northern Virginia just like most of the rest of the tattered men in gray got back home. He was looking forward to hearth and home, family and friends, and re-establishing his practice.

When he arrived in southwest Georgia, he naturally went to his home place. There, he found that his mother had died several months before, his little brother had been killed by yankee outriders, and that niggers were living in his family's home. The yankee occupation troops and the Freedman's Bureau had given a group of eleven freed slaves his home because of his family's dedication to the Cause and because of his own service. The niggers ran him off his own dirt. The dirt his father farmed. The dirt that his family cemetery was in. Where he'd grown from boy to man. Where he'd sent his mind's eye those long nights of War. Where niggers now pissed in the sacred soil of his home.

Well, he went on into town and starting out of a friend's shed and old smokehouse for home and headquarters, he rebuilt his life and practice. He joined the earliest Klavern in that area at first opportunity and was, shall we say, very active in it. He eventually purchased his friend's home, along with the shed and smoke house, when his friend moved to Florida.

It was only after my ancestor died many years later that his secret was revealed.

The new owner of the house was having the shed and smokehouse torn down. When they pulled the door to the smokehouse open they found the left foot from eleven different niggers nailed to the inside of the door. It was shown that every one of the eleven niggers who'd taken over his family home and ran him off his own dirt had been murdered and each of their left feet removed.

My Uncle ****, the surgeon's grandnephew, told me when I was a young man, that my ancestor's Klavern members of the inner circle always greeted each other with a handshake, and as they talked they would tap their own left foot with their cane to show honor to the old surgeon.

It was my Uncle **** himself that told me that in the late '60s it had gotten to where there were more agent provocateurs and stoolies in the local chapter than true hearted Klansmen. He told me that if I had to do something, do it myself, and don't tell anyone.

By the way, until our people rediscover what was in that surgeon's heart, we won't win.

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Until the zoglodyte government tied our hands, a prominent characteristic of the Southern civilization was our tendency to self police our communities. We never needed government to keep the public order. That policing was not only aimed at keeping criminals in check, but it also enforced societal norms.

It was at some time in the middle 1920's. Word came to the community that there was a White woman who worked at a local eatery that was screwing a nigger. Now, back in the day when there was some wet work that needed doing the fellows from, say, Dothan, AL would come over to Bainbridge, GA to take care of business. Of course, the fellows from Bainbridge would return the favor as needed. In this case though, my Cousin ** said he'd take care of it since the nigger concerned worked for him.

At a time that Cousin ** knew the nigger would be home he drove over to where the nigger lived. Cousin ** parked his truck, got out, and walked up onto the porch with his shotgun held at the ready. He couldn't see inside as it was winter and the windows were shuttered. (These houses didn't have glass windows. During the summer they were just open to the world and during the winter covered with a wooden shutter.) Cousin ** stood to the side of the front door.

He reached out with his arm and knocked on the door. He called out the nigger's name. The nigger yelled back wanting to know what Cousin ** wanted. Cousin ** said he wanted to take care of business concerning him and a White woman. Then, Cousin ** reached back out and struck the door hard with his fist and quickly drew it back just as a shotgun blast blew a gaping hole in the door. Cousin ** raised his own gun and shot, further splintering the door.

As soon as Cousin ** shot he could hear the nigger take off running through the house. Anticipating this he was already underway. Cousin ** rounded the corner of the house just as the nigger cleared the porch. Cousin ** took him full in the chest with a 12 ga. load of '00' buckshot.

The nigger had been trying to open the breech on his single barrel shotgun to load another round when the blast from Cousin **'s gun hit him. I guess two barrels are better than one!

I don't know what happened to the White woman, but I heard she finished her career still working at an eatery: feeding catfish in the Flint River I believe they said.

Maybe the two of you can do some activism in the local senior citizens home. You can declare a whole section of the home off limits to the mexis and nigs and filipinos that will be working there. Now that would be activism.

I think we both agree you are a dpshit. But sorry, I am armed with sarcasm and wit, instead of name calling. And I use a laptop, so no keyboard there. Maybe you can just break your own.
As far as your last statemnent, figure it out yourself.

Timothy Dale Johnson, a loner, and a stereotypical middle aged loser ( he worked at target, not even a manager), did not go join a group, sign his name up and bellyache. What did he do?

Well, if we did do any kind of activism at all you worthless asshole, it would definitely be more than you ever did in your sorry pathetic life. Oh, that's right, we have done pro-White activism. A lot of it.

As far as us both agreeing that I am a dipshit, it takes one to know one, and at least I can spell dipshit correctly. And who called who a dipshit in the first place, punk? So much for your sarcasm and wit. My 3 year old has more wit than you have ever displayed here.

I have broken many of my own keyboards, I can always get another one or go to the library. As far as your laptop, how far can you shove it up your ass and still type? With all of your spelling errors, it would seem that you are already typing from your ass. You certainly talk out of it.

You tell us, oh wise and sarcastic shithead, what did this loser do? Call you to try to convince you to help him burn a cross in a biracial couple's yard? Fuck you, twit.

I don't know if the Genealogy sub-forum is the right place for this post, but it does concern a couple of my Southern Ancestors. These stories have been handed down in my family as true. There's more. Take them for what you will.

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One of my Confederate ancestors was a surgeon in The War. After Lee's surrender he walked back home to southwest Georgia from northern Virginia just like most of the rest of the tattered men in gray got back home. He was looking forward to hearth and home, family and friends, and re-establishing his practice.

When he arrived in southwest Georgia, he naturally went to his home place. There, he found that his mother had died several months before, his little brother had been killed by yankee outriders, and that niggers were living in his family's home. The yankee occupation troops and the Freedman's Bureau had given a group of eleven freed slaves his home because of his family's dedication to the Cause and because of his own service. The niggers ran him off his own dirt. The dirt his father farmed. The dirt that his family cemetery was in. Where he'd grown from boy to man. Where he'd sent his mind's eye those long nights of War. Where niggers now pissed in the sacred soil of his home.

Well, he went on into town and starting out of a friend's shed and old smokehouse for home and headquarters, he rebuilt his life and practice. He joined the earliest Klavern in that area at first opportunity and was, shall we say, very active in it. He eventually purchased his friend's home, along with the shed and smoke house, when his friend moved to Florida.

It was only after my ancestor died many years later that his secret was revealed.

The new owner of the house was having the shed and smokehouse torn down. When they pulled the door to the smokehouse open they found the left foot from eleven different niggers nailed to the inside of the door. It was shown that every one of the eleven niggers who'd taken over his family home and ran him off his own dirt had been murdered and each of their left feet removed.

My Uncle ****, the surgeon's grandnephew, told me when I was a young man, that my ancestor's Klavern members of the inner circle always greeted each other with a handshake, and as they talked they would tap their own left foot with their cane to show honor to the old surgeon.

It was my Uncle **** himself that told me that in the late '60s it had gotten to where there were more agent provocateurs and stoolies in the local chapter than true hearted Klansmen. He told me that if I had to do something, do it myself, and don't tell anyone.

By the way, until our people rediscover what was in that surgeon's heart, we won't win.

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Until the zoglodyte government tied our hands, a prominent characteristic of the Southern civilization was our tendency to self police our communities. We never needed government to keep the public order. That policing was not only aimed at keeping criminals in check, but it also enforced societal norms.

It was at some time in the middle 1920's. Word came to the community that there was a White woman who worked at a local eatery that was screwing a nigger. Now, back in the day when there was some wet work that needed doing the fellows from, say, Dothan, AL would come over to Bainbridge, GA to take care of business. Of course, the fellows from Bainbridge would return the favor as needed. In this case though, my Cousin ** said he'd take care of it since the nigger concerned worked for him.

At a time that Cousin ** knew the nigger would be home he drove over to where the nigger lived. Cousin ** parked his truck, got out, and walked up onto the porch with his shotgun held at the ready. He couldn't see inside as it was winter and the windows were shuttered. (These houses didn't have glass windows. During the summer they were just open to the world and during the winter covered with a wooden shutter.) Cousin ** stood to the side of the front door.

He reached out with his arm and knocked on the door. He called out the nigger's name. The nigger yelled back wanting to know what Cousin ** wanted. Cousin ** said he wanted to take care of business concerning him and a White woman. Then, Cousin ** reached back out and struck the door hard with his fist and quickly drew it back just as a shotgun blast blew a gaping hole in the door. Cousin ** raised his own gun and shot, further splintering the door.

As soon as Cousin ** shot he could hear the nigger take off running through the house. Anticipating this he was already underway. Cousin ** rounded the corner of the house just as the nigger cleared the porch. Cousin ** took him full in the chest with a 12 ga. load of '00' buckshot.

The nigger had been trying to open the breech on his single barrel shotgun to load another round when the blast from Cousin **'s gun hit him. I guess two barrels are better than one!

I don't know what happened to the White woman, but I heard she finished her career still working at an eatery: feeding catfish in the Flint River I believe they said.

That was mighty entertaining reading, Live Free. Thanks for sharing it.

My aunt Lucy (Lucy Council Allen) gave me her old KKK membership card just before she died at 84 in 2004. She'd been a dues paying member for something like 40 years. When klansmen went around collecting dues, they perforated holes into the card to show dues had been paid for that particular month.

My uncle Swanee (Swanee Noah Council) killed 4-5 uppity niggers back in the 30s and 40s, according to my uncle Joseph Edward Allen. Then when Swanee got old and his mind went back, they came and got him at night and put him to bed in Dorthy Dix Mental Hospital in 1967. Next morning uncle Swanee awoke to find a nigger asleep in the next bed. At which time, uncle Swanee commenced to beat the nigger to death with his walking cane, thoroughly outraged to find out he'd slept in the same room with a nigger for the 1st time in his life.

My mother was a switch board operator at that hospital at the time and begged me: "Son, don't you dare ever tell anybody that Swanee was kin to us." (Course, I bragged it to everybody)

1st cousin Janey Mae Honeycutt, shot two niggers in 1974 after she'd entered the back door of her and her husband's grocery store in east Raleigh, NC, and saw the niggers in the act of robbing her husband at gunpoint. Reached in her purse, got her pistol, and unloaded all 6 shots on the niggers, she did, and ran them off. Both niggers lived but were quickly arrested. Front page news at the time.

Btw, we all especially enjoyed "11 niggers feet" hanging in the smoke house. Too bad somebody didn't take a photo, eh ??

Happy days will return again one of these days.

PS: Awhile back, they found the bodies of 25 niggers wrapped in logging chains at the bottom of a Georgia river, while searching for missing civil rights workers. The sheriff said it was the worse case of suicide he'd ever seen. He he he.

Well, if we did do any kind of activism at all you worthless asshole, it would definitely be more than you ever did in your sorry pathetic life. Oh, that's right, we have done pro-White activism. A lot of it.
Maybe you can start a senior citizens brigade and demand that the filipino nurses giving you enemas can at the very least give you a reach around. You can hoard all the depends for the white guys and all the non whites can just get cloth wiped.

As far as us both agreeing that I am a dipshit, it takes one to know one, and at least I can spell dipshit correctly. And who called who a dipshit in the first place, punk? So much for your sarcasm and wit. My 3 year old has more wit
than you have ever displayed here.
Punk is a prison word, been there? Homosexual prison talk should go to the 'tard corral. Were you the little drummer boy at Millers rallies in the eighties?

I have broken many of my own keyboards, I can always get another one or go to the library. As far as your laptop, how far can you shove it up your ass and still type? With all of your spelling errors, it would seem that you are already typing from your ass. You certainly talk out of it.
More homosexual references. Talks like a duck, walks like a duck.
You tell us, oh wise and sarcastic shithead, what did this loser do? Call you to try to convince you to help him burn a cross in a biracial couple's yard? Fuck you, twit.
You can google it des carte. And I am sarcastic and wise. And since you are claiming so much, what exactly have you done?

Heritage. We come from real men and women. It is in our blood to fight, in our genes. I just can't, I won't believe that our people are going to go out with a whimper. Somewhere, some when, we'll remember the call. We have to.

Looking back down the years it becomes obvious that we stand in tall shadows. We need to grow a set and cast some for our descendants.

You sure seem to know a lot about homosexual references and prison talk. Been there yourself, Ben? Punk is a word I have used since childhood to describe pieces of shit like you who are all talk and no action. But if you say so, Ben, since you are sarcastic and wise. Homo wise and prison sarcastic. Reach around you say? Hmm...could that be one of those homo prison terms you know so much about? And to top it off, you never answered my question. Changing the subject is a trait of the do-nothing-but-whine whiny babies I referred to in the first place when you went ballistic. Whatever your medication is, double it so you can sound somewhat coherent the next time you attempt humor, sarcasm or wit. The amount you are taking just is not cutting it and you are making a bigger fool of yourself every time you type.

Says ironturd the geriatric shit talker. Answer your own questions, it might make you smarter, although going from 65 to 72 in IQ only brings you to the Forrest Gump level.

Screams ben shithead the has been about things he could not possibly know about. I was not aware that 42 years of age was geriatric, but since your single digit IQ could not possibly rise to Forrest Gump level in a thousand of your life times, I expected such inane drivel from the likes of you, you twink.

Knock this shit off. This forum is for genealogy and stories about relatives. You want to rehash problems with a forum member, do it in the flaming section.

Knock this shit off. This forum is for genealogy and stories about relatives. You want to rehash problems with a forum member, do it in the flaming section.

Well, Alex, I had commented on how I was enjoying this thread. Then the do-nothing trolls started chiming in and then I was accused of rehashing something when in reality I was just making an observation. And I am sick and tired of seeing Glenn the target of the do-nothings. I am off to the flaming section now.