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Antiochus Epiphanes
08-04-2004, 10:36 AM
Christ a Jew? Traditionally, Christians believed that Christ, as Incarnate God, which though he had a wholly human form, was not confined to any one ethnicity or particular social identity whether it was Nazarean, Judean, or whatever. The idea was, he was also wholly God which would mean that he was the Original undifferentiated reality from which all other reality emerged; and thus encompassing of all human races and ethnicities and in fact all other animal reality and inanimate reality as well.
So in that sense, yes, Christ is thought of as universal, and Christianity speaks to truths that are believed to be true for all folks.
That being said, it does not necessarily follow that Christianity as perscriptive of universal truths, is the solvent of particular national-ethnic or racial identity. On the contrary, "go ye and make disciples of all nations" was the charge not "go ye and destroy all nations and make them one."
Moreover, "neither jew nor greek" but one in Christ is an expression of spiritual brotherhood not physical brotherhood. Only radical lunatics such as the Puritans and other similar Judaized Christian nutjobs and the spiritiual ancestors of the Marxists, suggested such abominations as communality of property or abolition of social class or nation.
Christianity long co-existed with national identity and in both Catholicism and Orthodoxy was supportive of the secular order. It was the Puritan Jew lovers who initiated the regicides to follow their example in England, later imitated by other Judaizers in France and flat-out Jews in Russia. Today as Jarl has illustrated, Marxist style social-national subversion has infected all Christian sects and even taints the Roman Church but it is my contention that this is due not to philosophy but to the relatively effective infitration methods and organization of Jewish subversives that have "taken over" many Western institutions including, obviously, governments as well.
So rather than fight ideas-- which are the agents of Jewish subversion-- perhaps we should focus on fighting the principals of Jewish subversion-- Jews themselves. Countering Jewish influence in this world by opposing them where-ever they may be found should be the primary strategic focus once we have adequate resources and organization to do so.
When I say we of course I dont mean we meaning all of us, or any paritcular organization, but we in the sense of each of us informally and quietyly organizing our own unrevealed networks of contacts of Aryans to covertly struggle against Jewry.
Aryan Lord
08-04-2004, 02:28 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Christ a Jew? Traditionally, Christians believed that Christ, as Incarnate God, which though he had a wholly human form, was not confined to any one ethnicity or particular social identity whether it was Nazarean, Judean, or whatever.
[COLOR=Blue]Christs Jewishness is emphasised throughout the New Testament.He is also quite happy in the knowledge that gentiles were viewed as "dogs" and the Jews as "masters".[See Matthew 15].[/COLOR]
The idea was, he was also wholly God which would mean that he was the Original undifferentiated reality from which all other reality emerged; and thus encompassing of all human races and ethnicities and in fact all other animal reality and inanimate reality as well.
[COLOR=Blue]No Jehovah was the tribal "god" of the Jews.The Jews created their "god" in their own image,after their own likeness and the viciousness of this "god" is a reflection of the Jews as a race. Read the Old Testament and this rather obnoxious "god" time and time again reveals his grasping,pornographic,bloodthirsty and psychotic ways in his dealings with his "chosen people" and other nations.[/COLOR]
So in that sense, yes, Christ is thought of as universal, and Christianity speaks to truths that are believed to be true for all folks.
[COLOR=Blue]It does this for one purpose only:to win more converts and more greenbacks.[/COLOR]
That being said, it does not necessarily follow that Christianity as perscriptive of universal truths, is the solvent of particular national-ethnic or racial identity. On the contrary, "go ye and make disciples of all nations" was the charge not "go ye and destroy all nations and make them one."
[COLOR=Blue]But any attempt at imposing a universal religion will have the effect of tampering with a nations or a races identity of its SELF.A nations myths and the preservation of those myths are not merely important but absolutely crucial to its continuing existence.A nation that loses its mythical past loses itself. The Jews knew this and this is why Christianity was imposed by the point of a sword throughout the entire world.[/COLOR]
Moreover, "neither jew nor greek" but one in Christ is an expression of spiritual brotherhood not physical brotherhood. Only radical lunatics such as the Puritans and other similar Judaized Christian nutjobs and the spiritiual ancestors of the Marxists, suggested such abominations as communality of property or abolition of social class or nation.
[COLOR=Blue]Are you suggesting that an Aryan can have any kind of spiritual communion with a Jew? I find that notion incredulous coming from a White Nationalist.[/COLOR]
Christianity long co-existed with national identity and in both Catholicism and Orthodoxy was supportive of the secular order.
[COLOR=Blue]Christianity was the cause of numerous wars in European history, not least the 100 years war. Because of this vile religion millions of Aryans in Europe perished because of catholic-protestant conflicts and the burning at the stake of wise women. Christianity is a cancer that has eaten into our race physically and spiritually.[/COLOR]
It was the Puritan Jew lovers who initiated the regicides to follow their example in England, later imitated by other Judaizers in France and flat-out Jews in Russia. Today as Jarl has illustrated, Marxist style social-national subversion has infected all Christian sects and even taints the Roman Church but it is my contention that this is due not to philosophy but to the relatively effective infitration methods and organization of Jewish subversives that have "taken over" many Western institutions including, obviously, governments as well.
[COLOR=Blue]Not so. Christianity was always a prototype for Bolshevism. Hitler said:"What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the materialist and technical level,Christianity had achieved on the metaphysical level.The religion fabricated by Paul of Tarsus,which was later called Christianity,is nothing but the Communism of to-day."[Table Talk] [/COLOR]
So rather than fight ideas-- which are the agents of Jewish subversion-- perhaps we should focus on fighting the principals of Jewish subversion-- Jews themselves. Countering Jewish influence in this world by opposing them where-ever they may be found should be the primary strategic focus once we have adequate resources and organization to do so.
[COLOR=Blue]You are incorrect.The Jew has chosen religion as one of the main if not the main arena for the race war.His agent is Christianity.Therefore we must destroy Christianity in order that we may liberate our people from the spiritual and psychological prisons that they inhabit because of this vile filth.[/COLOR]
When I say we of course I dont mean we meaning all of us, or any paritcular organization, but we in the sense of each of us informally and quietyly organizing our own unrevealed networks of contacts of Aryans to covertly struggle against Jewry.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=Blue]And how do you propose to fight a war if you are only advocating "covert" means? Sooner or later other and more direct methods will be necessary.[/COLOR]
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-04-2004, 03:12 PM
[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][COLOR=Blue]And how do you propose to fight a war if you are only advocating "covert" means? Sooner or later other and more direct methods will be necessary.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I support the means that are feasible today and thousands of middle class White Americans (our Europeans) could easily get started on without any major courage and personal risk. Better now to struggle covertly than sit inactive and dream of the day when suddenly the DOTR etc will magickally occur. If a crisis ever comes tomorrow, the people in place to take advantage of new opportunities are those who are in motion, energized, active and somewhat organized today. right now that isnt us.
Aryan Lord
08-04-2004, 03:42 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I support the means that are feasible today and thousands of middle class White Americans (our Europeans) could easily get started on without any major courage and personal risk. Better now to struggle covertly than sit inactive and dream of the day when suddenly the DOTR etc will magickally occur. If a crisis ever comes tomorrow, the people in place to take advantage of new opportunities are those who are in motion, energized, active and somewhat organized today. right now that isnt us.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=Navy]You will not and cannot expect the Untermenschen to be expurgated from Aryana without an all out RaHoWa.This is the lesson of all previous fallen civilisations.A people who is too weak,degenerate and cowardly to take up arms and regain that which is almost lost does not deserve to survive.They will bear the stain of infamy for eternity for their unwillingness to risk their worthless hides for a noble cause.The gods and our ancestors are looking down and are wondering why we are so weak to quit ourselves as men.Do not rely upon the degenerate and fat middle class to bail you out.Those bastards are only concerned with their own private little worlds to give a fuck about their race.[/COLOR]
The Final Solution
08-05-2004, 08:48 AM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes] Today as Jarl has illustrated, Marxist style social-national subversion has infected all Christian sects and even taints the Roman Church but it is my contention that this is due not to philosophy but to the relatively effective infitration methods and organization of Jewish subversives that have "taken over" many Western institutions including, obviously, governments as well. [/QUOTE]
A very provocative interpretation, AE. Perhaps even appealing to the VNN 4 word world view. But for this theory to have general validity, we would need some evidence that kikes have actually taken over Popery (as one prominent example). It is sometimes helpful to specify what would that evidence consist of. For example, if we learned that the Pope and many of the Cardinals are actually crypto-kikes with strong ethnic identification, that would tend to support AE's takeover hypothesis. If we could uncover a giant money trail from organized kikery to Popery, that would at least give us reason to discount the statements of religious leaders that they do and believe what they do for religious reasons.
Does anyone have any evidence of kike control or any other examples of what type of evidence we should be looking for?
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