heaven above
08-04-2004, 04:14 PM
I am banned (again) from Stormfront guestbook simply for being on the 'wrong side' in the BNP in the UK. I support John Tyndall. I would like to thank the good people who own and run this board VNN , for allowing us to avail ourselves of your service. I am writing this here, because I am banned from posting on Stormfront. What a 'bloody set- up', when one of the 'heroes of the White Nationalist movement' and his followers, are denigrated in this way.
I have tried in the past to raise this issue with Don Black , owner of Stormfront, but to no avail.
That very same moderator (JJT) was doing over two years ago, the same as he is doing today, and that is, censoring any users that support John Tyndall.
We have a 'leadership challenge' within the BNP. Far too many BNP members are in revolt, over the continual 'softening' of BNP policy. The BNP Party Constitution has been 'trampled on' by Mr. Griffin and his supporters. We have had non-British election Candidates, for example; Mr. Lawrence Rustem. We now have a jewish BNP London area elected Councillor, Mrs. Richardson.
This 'softening of policy' by the BNP party leadership, is totally at odds with the 'grass roots' of the party. The membership are almost unanimously against the softening. The BNP's ruling body the Advisory Council, is in favour of softening. They even imposed a speaking ban on John Tyndall and Richard Edmonds, within the BNP.
The 'New Orleans Protocol' if it means anything at all. It should mean that one of the named people, John Tyndall, should be able to avail himself of white nationalist organs to get his/our voice across, without vituperation, venom , and censorship against us. Far too many nationalists are censored or banned on SF in the UK. It has to stop !
We do welcome CAL's post on Stormfront Great Britain Guestbook.
Thanks again to VNN and its owners and workers. Thanks comrades :)
Today, 01:54 PM #117
Charles A Lindbergh
Senior Moderator, NA
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,826
Location: Office of Rep. David Duke, Mandeville, Louisiana
Re: "The Great Debate" is OVER! BNP will not accept non whites until they are forced to
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A Splendid Outcome
I just read through all of the posts on this thread. The two most important communications are, of course, the message from Nick Griffin and the reply from John Tyndall. Both are excellent. Both end the right way: a united BNP determined to remain entirely White.
I'm happy for all British Nationalists. And I'm happy for all White Nationalists everywhere, as the fate of the BNP is central to the hopes of every White Nationalist on Earth.
I wish I had the money to fly to Britain to meet as many of you as possible. Perhaps I'll find a way to attend a Red, White, and Blue gathering. I do know two of the participants to this thread personally: Bookworm and John Tyndall. I wince at any slight to either patriot. It was my privilege to have the opportunity to show Bookworm how to post images on Stormfront during breaks from his full-time work in our Cause. I may meet up with him again this week.
John Tyndall I had the honor of meeting and spending four days with as a featured speaker at the New Orleans Conference in which I served as Director. Someone mentioned something about Mr. Tyndall's signatory status on The New Orleans Protocol. Well, I can add something to that discussion. There were no signatures taken. None were needed. The nine patriot leaders who were assembled in the boardroom of my hotel room (No. 233) spent hours in the most enthusiastic consensus formulating and endorsing the three principles of The New Orleans Protocol. John Tyndall joined his own endorsement to that of eight other giants in our Cause: Don Black, David Duke, Dr. Edward Fields, Willis Carto, Paul Fromm, Kevin Alfred Strom, David Pringle, and Sam G. Dickson. I might add another historical detail that I have personal familiarity with. There was no advance planning to assemble these particular nine men in my hotel room on Saturday May 29th at 5pm. I wrote their nine names down on a piece of paper as the nine most prominent leaders of our Cause in the room only one hour before we actually met. I showed this to Rep. Duke for his approval. Then, as these nine veteran leaders were listening to one of our speakers in the Jefferson Ballroom, I circulated around the room to each of them proposing that we meet at 5pm in the boardroom of Room 233. All said yes to the idea. All assembled at 5pm in the large boardroom adjoining Room 233. By 6:30pm these nine veterans of every vicissitude of our Cause, drawing upon the great wisdom of their combined centuries (!) of work, had drawn up and endorsed unanimously The New Orleans Protocol.
With apologies in advance to any of these heroes whose ages I may wrongly lengthen or whose time in the trenches I may wrongly shorten, here's my impressionistic understanding of just why I was able to say "centuries" in the preceding sentence. I add up 339 years of service in our race's cause when I use the following roughly (in some cases) and precisely (in others) calculated numbers to summate the service of these nine founders of The New Orleans Protocol: Dr. Edward Fields (55 years), Willis Carto (55 years), John Tyndall (40 years...forgive me if it's more John), Sam G. Dickson (40 years), Don Black (37 years), David Duke (37 years), Kevin Strom (30 years), Paul Fromm (30 years), and David Pringle (15 years...likewise Dave).
That's an average of almost 38 years each.
The three principles of The New Orleans Protocol are: zero tolerance of movement-destroying encouragements to violence; maintenance of a high tone in our discourse; and abstention from movement-destroying internecine attacks on each other.
I have had a great time reading through the good news contained in this thread. I was a little surprised to see that patriots who are obviously with us in the Cause are still moderated in Stormfront Britain. As our movement grows ever larger we gain the resilience to be able to sustain debate with very little need for supervision or suggestion. It's the very truth of our ideas that supports them so well without supervision. It's the biological realism of our ideas that wins our arguments without recourse to the props of deletions, moderations, bannings, or admonishments. If a White participant to the wonderful discourse we have open to us on Stormfront feels too heavily the shadow of possible deletion, moderation, banning, or admonishment from we moderators I feel a chill on open reasoning could be cast by that shadow. As a Senior Moderator myself I see our most important audience as being not the fully converted racialists like ourselves but rather those on their way to their own racial awakening. I see us not as an exclusive club of the initiated and the "in" but rather as evangelists to ALL WHITE FOLKS, to our entire folk. As Senior Moderator I very, very rarely ban anyone. I very, very rarely put any poster on moderation. I rarely delete a post. I never do any of these things because another White man is arguing against me on any of our beliefs. I only ban, moderate, or delete a kinsman if they are being harmful to Stormfront's continued existence. As long as a kinsman's arguments don't jeopardize the very existence of this forum upon which we rely to spread our message of racial awakening, I'm convinced that we can enjoy the freedom of winning the debate for racial awareness on the merits. With as little supervision as possible.
A Moderator on Stormfront has a lot of power. And two roles. One is as a moderator. The other is as a poster just like every other Member. Potential problems arise from the blending of these two roles. When I am advancing my own personal ideas on Stormfront I don't want other Members to either dread me or curry favor with me just because Don Black has chosen to delegate his power to ban, moderate, delete, edit, or delete to me. Or because I'm Don's friend. How can I engage in genuine debate with someone who thinks I will resort to any of these very unequal weapons if they dare to contradict me? I have found that the best way to avoid this undesireable blurring is to stick very objectively to Don Black's Stormfront Guidelines when I'm wearing my Senior Moderator hat. If I do that a Member can feel secure as they post that it is Don's Guidelines that they must heed rather than Kelso's (CAL's) pet ideas. It's important that I take that Senior Moderator hat OFF when I post just like all of you fine Members as a fellow Member, with my own strong personal opinions, allegiances, and friendships. It's a subtle (but big) transition that each of us Moderators has to make in jumping from Moderator to Member. So I can't fault any of my fellow Moderators for not always making the leap successfully. I'm sure I've missed on several occassions. But it's a goal always worth striving for. And even if we Moderators don't always succeed in keeping our own views as Members distinct from our potentially chilling powers as Moderators, it does our fellow Members a world of reassuring good to know that we're trying our best.
May I thank all of my English, Scottish, and Welsh kinsmen for the privilege of admiring the leadership you have provided our race in political struggle. And I thank you for participating in our unique and invaluable Stormfront every bit as much as we Americans on a per capita basis. Just compare your White population with ours, and then glance at the proportion of Stormfront's traffic that is generated by you fine folks in the pie chart attached below.
I have tried in the past to raise this issue with Don Black , owner of Stormfront, but to no avail.
That very same moderator (JJT) was doing over two years ago, the same as he is doing today, and that is, censoring any users that support John Tyndall.
We have a 'leadership challenge' within the BNP. Far too many BNP members are in revolt, over the continual 'softening' of BNP policy. The BNP Party Constitution has been 'trampled on' by Mr. Griffin and his supporters. We have had non-British election Candidates, for example; Mr. Lawrence Rustem. We now have a jewish BNP London area elected Councillor, Mrs. Richardson.
This 'softening of policy' by the BNP party leadership, is totally at odds with the 'grass roots' of the party. The membership are almost unanimously against the softening. The BNP's ruling body the Advisory Council, is in favour of softening. They even imposed a speaking ban on John Tyndall and Richard Edmonds, within the BNP.
The 'New Orleans Protocol' if it means anything at all. It should mean that one of the named people, John Tyndall, should be able to avail himself of white nationalist organs to get his/our voice across, without vituperation, venom , and censorship against us. Far too many nationalists are censored or banned on SF in the UK. It has to stop !
We do welcome CAL's post on Stormfront Great Britain Guestbook.
Thanks again to VNN and its owners and workers. Thanks comrades :)
Today, 01:54 PM #117
Charles A Lindbergh
Senior Moderator, NA
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,826
Location: Office of Rep. David Duke, Mandeville, Louisiana
Re: "The Great Debate" is OVER! BNP will not accept non whites until they are forced to
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A Splendid Outcome
I just read through all of the posts on this thread. The two most important communications are, of course, the message from Nick Griffin and the reply from John Tyndall. Both are excellent. Both end the right way: a united BNP determined to remain entirely White.
I'm happy for all British Nationalists. And I'm happy for all White Nationalists everywhere, as the fate of the BNP is central to the hopes of every White Nationalist on Earth.
I wish I had the money to fly to Britain to meet as many of you as possible. Perhaps I'll find a way to attend a Red, White, and Blue gathering. I do know two of the participants to this thread personally: Bookworm and John Tyndall. I wince at any slight to either patriot. It was my privilege to have the opportunity to show Bookworm how to post images on Stormfront during breaks from his full-time work in our Cause. I may meet up with him again this week.
John Tyndall I had the honor of meeting and spending four days with as a featured speaker at the New Orleans Conference in which I served as Director. Someone mentioned something about Mr. Tyndall's signatory status on The New Orleans Protocol. Well, I can add something to that discussion. There were no signatures taken. None were needed. The nine patriot leaders who were assembled in the boardroom of my hotel room (No. 233) spent hours in the most enthusiastic consensus formulating and endorsing the three principles of The New Orleans Protocol. John Tyndall joined his own endorsement to that of eight other giants in our Cause: Don Black, David Duke, Dr. Edward Fields, Willis Carto, Paul Fromm, Kevin Alfred Strom, David Pringle, and Sam G. Dickson. I might add another historical detail that I have personal familiarity with. There was no advance planning to assemble these particular nine men in my hotel room on Saturday May 29th at 5pm. I wrote their nine names down on a piece of paper as the nine most prominent leaders of our Cause in the room only one hour before we actually met. I showed this to Rep. Duke for his approval. Then, as these nine veteran leaders were listening to one of our speakers in the Jefferson Ballroom, I circulated around the room to each of them proposing that we meet at 5pm in the boardroom of Room 233. All said yes to the idea. All assembled at 5pm in the large boardroom adjoining Room 233. By 6:30pm these nine veterans of every vicissitude of our Cause, drawing upon the great wisdom of their combined centuries (!) of work, had drawn up and endorsed unanimously The New Orleans Protocol.
With apologies in advance to any of these heroes whose ages I may wrongly lengthen or whose time in the trenches I may wrongly shorten, here's my impressionistic understanding of just why I was able to say "centuries" in the preceding sentence. I add up 339 years of service in our race's cause when I use the following roughly (in some cases) and precisely (in others) calculated numbers to summate the service of these nine founders of The New Orleans Protocol: Dr. Edward Fields (55 years), Willis Carto (55 years), John Tyndall (40 years...forgive me if it's more John), Sam G. Dickson (40 years), Don Black (37 years), David Duke (37 years), Kevin Strom (30 years), Paul Fromm (30 years), and David Pringle (15 years...likewise Dave).
That's an average of almost 38 years each.
The three principles of The New Orleans Protocol are: zero tolerance of movement-destroying encouragements to violence; maintenance of a high tone in our discourse; and abstention from movement-destroying internecine attacks on each other.
I have had a great time reading through the good news contained in this thread. I was a little surprised to see that patriots who are obviously with us in the Cause are still moderated in Stormfront Britain. As our movement grows ever larger we gain the resilience to be able to sustain debate with very little need for supervision or suggestion. It's the very truth of our ideas that supports them so well without supervision. It's the biological realism of our ideas that wins our arguments without recourse to the props of deletions, moderations, bannings, or admonishments. If a White participant to the wonderful discourse we have open to us on Stormfront feels too heavily the shadow of possible deletion, moderation, banning, or admonishment from we moderators I feel a chill on open reasoning could be cast by that shadow. As a Senior Moderator myself I see our most important audience as being not the fully converted racialists like ourselves but rather those on their way to their own racial awakening. I see us not as an exclusive club of the initiated and the "in" but rather as evangelists to ALL WHITE FOLKS, to our entire folk. As Senior Moderator I very, very rarely ban anyone. I very, very rarely put any poster on moderation. I rarely delete a post. I never do any of these things because another White man is arguing against me on any of our beliefs. I only ban, moderate, or delete a kinsman if they are being harmful to Stormfront's continued existence. As long as a kinsman's arguments don't jeopardize the very existence of this forum upon which we rely to spread our message of racial awakening, I'm convinced that we can enjoy the freedom of winning the debate for racial awareness on the merits. With as little supervision as possible.
A Moderator on Stormfront has a lot of power. And two roles. One is as a moderator. The other is as a poster just like every other Member. Potential problems arise from the blending of these two roles. When I am advancing my own personal ideas on Stormfront I don't want other Members to either dread me or curry favor with me just because Don Black has chosen to delegate his power to ban, moderate, delete, edit, or delete to me. Or because I'm Don's friend. How can I engage in genuine debate with someone who thinks I will resort to any of these very unequal weapons if they dare to contradict me? I have found that the best way to avoid this undesireable blurring is to stick very objectively to Don Black's Stormfront Guidelines when I'm wearing my Senior Moderator hat. If I do that a Member can feel secure as they post that it is Don's Guidelines that they must heed rather than Kelso's (CAL's) pet ideas. It's important that I take that Senior Moderator hat OFF when I post just like all of you fine Members as a fellow Member, with my own strong personal opinions, allegiances, and friendships. It's a subtle (but big) transition that each of us Moderators has to make in jumping from Moderator to Member. So I can't fault any of my fellow Moderators for not always making the leap successfully. I'm sure I've missed on several occassions. But it's a goal always worth striving for. And even if we Moderators don't always succeed in keeping our own views as Members distinct from our potentially chilling powers as Moderators, it does our fellow Members a world of reassuring good to know that we're trying our best.
May I thank all of my English, Scottish, and Welsh kinsmen for the privilege of admiring the leadership you have provided our race in political struggle. And I thank you for participating in our unique and invaluable Stormfront every bit as much as we Americans on a per capita basis. Just compare your White population with ours, and then glance at the proportion of Stormfront's traffic that is generated by you fine folks in the pie chart attached below.