Anybody else catch Linders review of Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11' ? This is about the best piece of writing I have come across in quite a while, whether it be mainstream news media writing or internet!

Why a guy with this kind of talent doesn't have his own column running in every newspaper across America is beyond me.....oh wait...nevermind!

http://www.vnnforum.com/main/2004b/Linder80704Fahrenheit911.htm

P.S. I would have posted the entire review but it's more than 10,000 characters and vBulletin won't let you go more than that.

[QUOTE=Steve B]Anybody else catch Linders review of Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11' ? This is about the best piece of writing I have come across in quite a while, whether it be mainstream news media writing or internet!

Why a guy with this kind of talent doesn't have his own column running in every newspaper across America is beyond me.....oh wait...nevermind!
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I read the review, too, and it was great, but I don't think there are too many newspapers around the country that will run an article with the term "worthless niggers" in it. lol

[QUOTE=Rounder]Steve, I clicked on and read coupla dozen paragraphs of Alex's movie review. Yeah, Alex is one hell of a brilliant writer with super deep insights about the kikes.

Not trying to be facetuous, but what befuddles me about all these hundreds of brilliant, jew-wise, intellectuals whose articles we read via the internet; all combined together, cannot coax 1,000 angry White men into the streets to protest the slavery and genocide of the White Race.

Really, how does one explain that?[/QUOTE]

Probably because guys like Glenn Miller are few and far between! That and we lack the money to make the movement grow. Didn't you once say that the WPP grew the most when you had the 200 grand the Order gave you?

Alex,he always gave me a positive outlook on the future even when it looks like there is no hope,a race that can produce young men like that still as a future,a natural born leader.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Steve, I clicked on and read coupla dozen paragraphs of Alex's movie review. Yeah, Alex is one hell of a brilliant writer with super deep insights about the kikes.

Not trying to be facetuous, but what befuddles me about all these hundreds of brilliant, jew-wise, intellectuals whose articles we read via the internet; all combined together, cannot coax 1,000 angry White men into the streets to protest the slavery and genocide of the White Race.

Really, how does one explain that?[/QUOTE]
Rounder I have to say I like your no nonsense approach to racism, it is so similar to what I do and believe in except I haven’t had the success you have had in the past and I am more of the suit and tie type.

I would give nearly anything to have your experience in the movement, while still being 28 yrs old. :p

I hope before one of us meets an untimely demise I could get the chance to apprentice with you for a while or at least talk to you personally so I can learn how to be more effective for my race and my community.

[QUOTE=Rounder] Alex is one hell of a brilliant writer with super deep insights about the kikes.
Not trying to be facetuous, but what befuddles me about all these hundreds of brilliant, jew-wise, intellectuals whose articles we read via the internet; all combined together, cannot coax 1,000 angry White men into the streets to protest the slavery and genocide of the White Race.
Really, how does one explain that?[/QUOTE]
As to your original question, super deep insights and intellectual articles alienates a great majority of the people you are trying to win. To every intellectual white racist there are a thousand intellectual Jews and Lemmings.

I don’t always agree with Billy Graham but he said something that has always stuck with me.

When I graduated college I began preaching at a college campus, I worked several weeks on my sermons series and provided deep theological insights with a strong use of the Greek and history. I was at a college and wanted to impress people.

I began my week long journey.

The first day there was 50, the second there was 20 by Wed there was 10.

I didn’t know what to do and couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong.

So I dropped all the insightful preaching and just delivered a sermons straight from the heart on the simple message of Christ, and by the end of the week we had 5,000 showing up.

The same can be said about White Nationalism has to be from the heart, sincere and simple for people to grasp quickly. If people have to think to long they loose interest or just deem it something they will never be able to understand.

If you go over their head with intellectual insights you alienate them and make them angry because they don’t know what you are talking about and it attacks their ego.

In white nationalism the people we desire to win, we must feed their ego not attack it. The message of Hitler was very simple and easy to understand.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Yeah Steve, The White Patriot Party greatly increased in number of members and supporters after we received $200,000 from The Order.

But as leader of that group, my intelligence no where near matched that of Alex Linder, David Duke, Michael Polignano, Edgar Steele, or a hundred or more WN web-masters and internet writers. I was little more than a fed-up, partially jew-wise, high school drop out and retired Army Master Sergeant.

That's my excuse. What's theirs?

As for the necessary finances to form an active group now and fill it with 1,000 angry White men, they are intelligent enough to come up with that, as well and wouldn't benefit from the financial advice of this high school drop out.[/QUOTE]

Comon Glenn! Don't give me that "aww shucks I'm just a country boy", bullshit! I was in ZOGS army and I know what Green Berets are capable of. Green Berets and Delta Force are the most highly trained units that consist not only of brave men but damn smart ones too! Green Beret training is one of the most harsh to endure anywhere. They are said to be one of the worlds best and most feared commando's.

So don't give me the "I'm just a high school dropout and Linder and Steele and Duke be way smart than me", song and dance! That crap may play to the WN's young folks you are trying to inspire but this ole bull knows better!

[QUOTE=Steve B]So don't give me the "I'm just a high school dropout and Linder and Steele and Duke be way smart than me", song and dance! That crap may play to the WN's young folks you are trying to inspire but this ole bull knows better![/QUOTE]

LOL, well, some of us young'uns can tell that he's smarter than he lets on.... but modesty's a fine trait. :)

[QUOTE=bizmark]LOL, well, some of us young'uns can tell that he's smarter than he lets on.... but modesty's a fine trait. :)[/QUOTE]

Heh...eyup! atypical White man Rounder is! If I had accomplished in my life what Miller did I would be the most obnoxious, objectionable, offensive and egotistical in yer face dickhead the world has ever seen...Oh wait...I'm already that!

But seriously...a true leader..no, a great White leader always has the ability to put self and individuality on the back burner.

Thats always been our fault hasn't it, Bismark. We White guys are always the the object of our own reflective consciousness. The agent of our own activities and cognition. It's always about our own personal feelings and capacities and character and never about the volks or our race or our people!

What was once a strength has now become a flaw and weak point that the jew has so adroitly used against us.

Glenn Miller rose above that and for a time put the fear of God in the beany boys!

If only we had more like him!

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Rounder I have to say I like your no nonsense approach to racism, it is so similar to what I do and believe in except I haven’t had the success you have had in the past and I am more of the suit and tie type.

I hope before one of us meets an untimely demise I could get the chance to apprentice with you for a while or at least talk to you personally so I can learn how to be more effective for my race and my community.[/QUOTE]

"Untimely demise"???? Thats sounds like some sort of vauge threat! I hope I'm reading this wrong.

Momus says you are some sort of jew agent and I just blew it off but your statement does seem a little strange.

Hey Georgie is this guy "doc" on the up and up?

[QUOTE=Steve B]"Untimely demise"???? Thats sounds like some sort of vauge threat! I hope I'm reading this wrong.

Momus says you are some sort of jew agent and I just blew it off but your statement does seem a little strange.

Hey Georgie is this guy "doc" on the up and up?[/QUOTE]

No it is not a threat. How many White Nationalists do you know other than Pierce that has died of natural causes?

I knew when I became openly active that there was a chance I would not live to a ripe old age and I accept that.

Also whenever a good WN dies it is untimely even if he is a hundred and six years old.

You interpret things like a Jew reading something into a statement that is not there.

Why would I praise him and hope to meet him one minute and then give a death threat? Are you drunk or Ignorant?

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]No it is not a threat. How many White Nationalists do you know other than Pierce that has died of natural causes?

I knew when I became openly active that there was a chance I would not live to a ripe old age and I accept that.

Also whenever a good WN dies it is untimely even if he is a hundred and six years old.

You interpret things like a Jew reading something into a statement that is not there.

Why would I praise him and hope to meet him one minute and then give a death threat? Are you drunk or Ignorant?[/QUOTE]

Yeah I guess I'm drunk and ignorant at the same time. I just don't understand your posts. Talk of WN's who don't "die of natural causes"...they don't "live to ripe old ages" and their deaths are "untimely".

It's not something a White Nationalist would say....it's something a member of the tribe would say to frighten people and cause disconcertion.

I would hope I'm wrong about you because as the Man says....there be no secrets on the internet and untimely deaths work both ways!

[QUOTE=Steve B]Yeah I guess I'm drunk and ignorant at the same time. I just don't understand your posts. Talk of WN's who don't "die of natural causes"...they don't "live to ripe old ages" and their deaths are "untimely".

It's not something a White Nationalist would say....it's something a member of the tribe would say to frighten people and cause disconcertion.

I would hope I'm wrong about you because as the Man says....there be no secrets on the internet and untimely deaths work both ways![/QUOTE]

untimely deaths work both ways! What are you babbling about?

It is a fact anybody with a search engine can discover in 2 minutes. We are at war and we are the minority, thus there will be many casualties on our side.

Face the facts man.

Just because I don’t sit in front of the computer all day in the safety of my basement doesn’t mean I don’t know the score.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]

Just because I don’t sit in front of the computer all day in the safety of my basement doesn’t mean I don’t know the score.[/QUOTE]

In the "safety of your basement"? Is that some kind of off-handed slap at Alex Linder?

First you suggest that Glenn Miller might meet an "untimely death" and now you're calling Linder a coward!

Hmmm...who do we know that would say such things???

I'm starting to think that Momus has more brains and insight than I gave him credit for!

[QUOTE=Steve B]In the "safety of your basement"? Is that some kind of off-handed slap at Alex Linder?

First you suggest that Glenn Miller might meet an "untimely death" and now you're calling Linder a coward!

Hmmm...who do we know that would say such things???

I'm starting to think that Momus has more brains and insight than I gave him credit for![/QUOTE]
I see what you are trying to do now. I didn’t catch the Momus worship and forgot he has alter ego’s possibly you.

I fell for your childish game, yeah you got me Mo--- I mean Steve. Like I told Ste—I mean Momus I don’t have time to play your childish games and give you the attention you didn’t get as a child.

No need to waste my time with you any longer. You are not worthy of my time.

[QUOTE=Steve B]In the "safety of your basement"? Is that some kind of off-handed slap at Alex Linder?

First you suggest that Glenn Miller might meet an "untimely death" and now you're calling Linder a coward!

Hmmm...who do we know that would say such things???

I'm starting to think that Momus has more brains and insight than I gave him credit for![/QUOTE]

Ah ha ha... this thread is cracking me up. Steve, I don't think Doc meant anything by it. Yes it's a little strange to say "I hope we can meet before either of us is killed" but I guess it's a realistic way of looking at things, lol. Anyway, I've learned to let it slide when Doc says things that either seem strange or don't make sense.... he seems to get confused, often misspelling things, screwing up his grammar and sometimes saying the opposite of what he obviously means to say. Just a bumbling fool, although occasionally he'll have his coherent moments and even some things I hadn't thought of before. So, I've gradually learned not to yell at him, because at least his heart seems to be in the right place, even if he makes pretty outrageous claims (like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he'll accuse chestnuts of being lazy. My childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring, we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent, I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds. Pretty standard, really. (Sorry for that little diversion there, but I'm laughing my ass off right now.)) Overall, this thread is fairly coherent for Doc.... I agree with him that you overreacted, but then he overreacted right back, so.... *shrug* it just turned into a pissing match. "You're a Jew!" "No, YOU'RE a Jew!!" etc.

It's funny to see stuff like that happen, really. :D Coming along as a third party, half an hour after the event has taken place, I can follow both of your lines of reasoning and follow through to the conclusion. But being in the middle of it, seeing each post individually building up in intensity, must have been a pretty different situation for both of you :D Now now, calm down guys.

[QUOTE=bizmark]
It's funny to see stuff like that happen, really. Coming along as a third party, half an hour after the event has taken place, I can follow both of your lines of reasoning and follow through to the conclusion. But being in the middle of it, seeing each post individually building up in intensity, must have been a pretty different situation for both of you Now now, calm down guys.[/QUOTE]

Aside from the bumbling fool statement, :mad: with your wit you should have been here for the play by play.

I let myself get carried away by a moron must be my vicious German genes.

I will know better next time.

BTW at time this took place I was into a battle with Momus's third alter ego, Chris V. He was nearly crying calling me all sorts of names.

how about this. this thread is about Linder. You like what he wrote here's my suggestion. Skip the lunch at MacD's brown bag it and send the five bucks difference to him in the mail as a gift for his great writing.

I'll bet probably lots of you are good gift givers but if you're not consider that publishing a website like this costs, even if it's mostly in place. Antis are always trying to tear it down by hook or by crook and if Alex is a good strategist like I think he is he doesnt talk about one anti offensive or another and in turn his measures and countermeasures.

But be certain that such things exist and they cost money.

Looks like Alex is "on the road" as he said at reader mail and a nice welcome back whenever he gets back might be a few notes and five spots waiting for him to help feed the fire. Metaphorically speaking of course.

as to whether he can put men in the streets, well, I dont think everybody needs to try and do everything themselves. how about some specialization of labor? if you ask me Alex should not divert his energy into things which take time and effort away from what he's good at.

somebody mentioned to me the other day, Billy is the one who seems to be good at organizing demonstrations. Looking on and seeing the near complete absence of any demonstrations marches etc from anybody but Billy, I have to agree. So I hope Billy will keep up a regular schedule of public events.

People should understand those things cost money too. If you want to see more demos I'd contact Billy and pledge either participation -- or underwriting of events.

[QUOTE=bizmark] Anyway, I've learned to let it slide when Doc says things that either seem strange or don't make sense.... he seems to get confused, often misspelling things, screwing up his grammar and sometimes saying the opposite of what he obviously means to say. Just a bumbling fool, although occasionally he'll have his coherent moments and even some things I hadn't thought of before. So, I've gradually learned not to yell at him, because at least his heart seems to be in the right place, even if he makes pretty outrageous claims (like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he'll accuse chestnuts of being lazy. My childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring, we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent, I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds. Pretty standard, really. [/QUOTE]

Heh heh...funny stuff Bismark! Ole Doc Martini seems to think I and a few others are Momus "alter-egos". Heck, the guy probably thinks that there are only 2 posters total on VNNF..him and Momus.

I can just see him tossing and turning all night, mumbling incoherently..."Momus is everywhere....Momus must meet an untimely death".

"Momus momus momus......why hast thou forsaken me".

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]As to your original question, super deep insights and intellectual articles alienates a great majority of the people you are trying to win. To every intellectual white racist there are a thousand intellectual Jews and Lemmings.

I don’t always agree with Billy Graham but he said something that has always stuck with me.

When I graduated college I began preaching at a college campus, I worked several weeks on my sermons series and provided deep theological insights with a strong use of the Greek and history. I was at a college and wanted to impress people.

I began my week long journey.

The first day there was 50, the second there was 20 by Wed there was 10.

I didn’t know what to do and couldn’t figure out what I was doing wrong.

So I dropped all the insightful preaching and just delivered a sermons straight from the heart on the simple message of Christ, and by the end of the week we had 5,000 showing up.

The same can be said about White Nationalism has to be from the heart, sincere and simple for people to grasp quickly. If people have to think to long they loose interest or just deem it something they will never be able to understand.

If you go over their head with intellectual insights you alienate them and make them angry because they don’t know what you are talking about and it attacks their ego.

In white nationalism the people we desire to win, we must feed their ego not attack it. The message of Hitler was very simple and easy to understand.[/QUOTE]


This is very insightful... I have this problem a lot. I'm too intellectual, deep, whatever. I lose people because they don't know what the f*ck I'm talking about. Thanks for turning on the light bulb.