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The Final Solution
08-12-2004, 10:38 AM
To the vast documentation, posted by Jarl and others, of the Catholic/Christian war against the White Race, a courageous minority of Christian WN's have adduced seemingly formidable arguments in their role as Defenders of the Faith. But as I read these Christian apologetics, I see certain recurrent themes, which so happen to be rather similar to the types of rationalia that kikes and their fellow travellers make in defense of the crimes of international kikery. Below is my personal taxonomy of the arguments of the Christian apologists, together with the corresponding pro-kike reasoning. Are Christians and kikes not just spiritual semites but rhetorical semites as well?

By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Wage Apologetics
Christian Apologist: jews hate Christianity. jews hate Whites. Ergo, Christianity is good for Whites.
kike Apologist: Muslims hate America. Muslims hate jews. Ergo, jews are good for America.

We're Just a Weathervane of the Times
Christian Apologist: Christianity was once (or perhaps twice) very pro-White, when White people in general were conservative and traditionalist. Now that White people are, for reasons unrelated to Christianity, more liberal and have come to detest Racism, the Christain Churches naturally exhibit the same tendencies. The problem is entirely with White people, not Christianity.
kike Apologist: Hollywood didn't always promote feminism and race-mixing. During the 1950's, the same jewish studios produced family-values sitcoms and patriotic movies. Then, the inevitable result of post-industrial capitalism (and no fault of the jews) was the pervasive alienation of the 1960's counterculture, which mass entertainment simply reflected with a grittier edge. If you didn't watch it, we wouldn't produce it.

We're Not Monolithic--Stop Stereotyping, You Bigot!
Christian Apologist: Not all Christians are trying to destroy the White Race by promoting mud immigration, anti-Racism, pandering to jewry, etc. It's just the Catholics, Anglicans/Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Quakers, Mormons, Disciples, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, and some others. But the rest are just fine.
kike Apologist: Even Winston Churchill, in his infamous article, conceded there were jews who were neither Bolshevik nor zionist, just honest patriots of the countries in which they resided. And our best WN friend, Andrew Robertson of Stormfront, says Churchill was a great White man. No White Racist would want to be on the wrong side of Churchill or Robertson.

We're Not the Problem--We're the Solution
Christian Apologist: Some Christians may have done a few anti-White things in the past, but a vigorous, militant Christianity, now in the works, is essential for the future of the White Race.
kike Apologist: AmRen: If Jews have undermined the traditions on which Western Civilization depends, so are they now undermining the liberal orthodoxy that continues to threaten those traditions.

There can be no doubting the energy and influence of this remarkable people. It would be foolish and ungrateful not to recognize that this energy and influence can help save what is left of a beleaguered civilization.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=74038

No True Believer Would Do Those Horrible Things
Christian Apologist: God created nations. Any Christian who supports mud immigration or snivel rights is not a Real Christian. The jews murdered Jesus. Any Christian who supports zionism or tolerance of jews is not a Real Christian.
kike Apologist: Communism was not jewish. Communism is any atheistic doctrine, and anyone who supported it was by definition not a jew. Karl Marx was a Lutheran turned atheist. Trotsky/Bronstein was just a plain atheist. The Rosenbergs and all their supporters weren't jews either, but Judge Kaufman, who ordered their execution, was a fine specimen of judaism. Unfortunately, Roy Cohn, the prosecutor, was a great anti-Communist but it turns out he was never a jew at all since no jew can be a fag.

No Offense--We Just do What We Do
Christian Apologist: Christians are not purposely trying to destroy the White Race. We just need asses in masses, which mostly means Mexcrement and Bantus. We are behaving like any institution would, just trying to survive, and can't be blamed for that.
kike Apologist: With our superior IQ, determination and cohesion, we are of course active participants in the democratic process, and are proud of how this has helped us survive millenia of unjustified persecution. WN's are just jealous of our success. If Irish and Greek Americans were as good at ethnic politics as we are, US troops would've invaded England and Turkey decades ago.

We Were All Smoking Some Wierd Shit in the Sixties
Christian Apologist: Vatican II was a complete sea change that converted historically pro-White Catholicism to jew-worship and anti-nationalism, things previously unknown in the Church. Catholics will soon see the error of their ways and return to their long history of strong nationalism and anti-semitism.
kike Apologist: During the 1960's, certain of our impressionable youth like David Horowitz embraced radicalism to the horror of their traditionalist, capitalist parents. But the Horowitzim have repented and are now, like all good jews, patriotic Americans. In fact, Horowitz now supports Israel not because he's a zionist (which he's definitely not), but because he's a good American patriot. And a lover of peace. You can be sure because Horowitz says so:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4434

The Dog Ate My Homework
Christian Apologist: The Churches are now controlled by jews. You get rid of the all-powerful jews running the Churches, and then we will make our Churches less anti-White.
kike Apologist: David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam: My neighbor's dog told me to shoot all those people. I even tried to kill the dog, but he obviously had superior survival skills. If the parole board will only get rid of all these mind-controlling dogs and let me back on the streets, I swear I won't harm anyone else. In prison I was born again and found Jesus, just like President Bush. Look how peaceful he is.

Antiochus Epiphanes
08-12-2004, 05:27 PM
[QUOTE=The Final Solution]To the vast documentation, posted by Jarl and others, of the Catholic/Christian war against the White Race, a courageous minority of Christian WN's have adduced seemingly formidable arguments in their role as Defenders of the Faith. But as I read these Christian apologetics, I see certain recurrent themes, which so happen to be rather similar to the types of rationalia that kikes and their fellow travellers make in defense of the crimes of international kikery. Below is my personal taxonomy of the arguments of the Christian apologists, together with the corresponding pro-kike reasoning. Are Christians and kikes not just spiritual semites but rhetorical semites as well?

By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Wage Apologetics
Christian Apologist: jews hate Christianity. jews hate Whites. Ergo, Christianity is good for Whites.
kike Apologist: Muslims hate America. Muslims hate jews. Ergo, jews are good for America.

We're Just a Weathervane of the Times
Christian Apologist: Christianity was once (or perhaps twice) very pro-White, when White people in general were conservative and traditionalist. Now that White people are, for reasons unrelated to Christianity, more liberal and have come to detest Racism, the Christain Churches naturally exhibit the same tendencies. The problem is entirely with White people, not Christianity.
kike Apologist: Hollywood didn't always promote feminism and race-mixing. During the 1950's, the same jewish studios produced family-values sitcoms and patriotic movies. Then, the inevitable result of post-industrial capitalism (and no fault of the jews) was the pervasive alienation of the 1960's counterculture, which mass entertainment simply reflected with a grittier edge. If you didn't watch it, we wouldn't produce it.

We're Not Monolithic--Stop Stereotyping, You Bigot!
Christian Apologist: Not all Christians are trying to destroy the White Race by promoting mud immigration, anti-Racism, pandering to jewry, etc. It's just the Catholics, Anglicans/Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Quakers, Mormons, Disciples, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, and some others. But the rest are just fine.
kike Apologist: Even Winston Churchill, in his infamous article, conceded there were jews who were neither Bolshevik nor zionist, just honest patriots of the countries in which they resided. And our best WN friend, Andrew Robertson of Stormfront, says Churchill was a great White man. No White Racist would want to be on the wrong side of Churchill or Robertson.

We're Not the Problem--We're the Solution
Christian Apologist: Some Christians may have done a few anti-White things in the past, but a vigorous, militant Christianity, now in the works, is essential for the future of the White Race.
kike Apologist: AmRen:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=74038

No True Believer Would Do Those Horrible Things
Christian Apologist: God created nations. Any Christian who supports mud immigration or snivel rights is not a Real Christian. The jews murdered Jesus. Any Christian who supports zionism or tolerance of jews is not a Real Christian.
kike Apologist: Communism was not jewish. Communism is any atheistic doctrine, and anyone who supported it was by definition not a jew. Karl Marx was a Lutheran turned atheist. Trotsky/Bronstein was just a plain atheist. The Rosenbergs and all their supporters weren't jews either, but Judge Kaufman, who ordered their execution, was a fine specimen of judaism. Unfortunately, Roy Cohn, the prosecutor, was a great anti-Communist but it turns out he was never a jew at all since no jew can be a fag.

No Offense--We Just do What We Do
Christian Apologist: Christians are not purposely trying to destroy the White Race. We just need asses in masses, which mostly means Mexcrement and Bantus. We are behaving like any institution would, just trying to survive, and can't be blamed for that.
kike Apologist: With our superior IQ, determination and cohesion, we are of course active participants in the democratic process, and are proud of how this has helped us survive millenia of unjustified persecution. WN's are just jealous of our success. If Irish and Greek Americans were as good at ethnic politics as we are, US troops would've invaded England and Turkey decades ago.

We Were All Smoking Some Wierd Shit in the Sixties
Christian Apologist: Vatican II was a complete sea change that converted historically pro-White Catholicism to jew-worship and anti-nationalism, things previously unknown in the Church. Catholics will soon see the error of their ways and return to their long history of strong nationalism and anti-semitism.
kike Apologist: During the 1960's, certain of our impressionable youth like David Horowitz embraced radicalism to the horror of their traditionalist, capitalist parents. But the Horowitzim have repented and are now, like all good jews, patriotic Americans. In fact, Horowitz now supports Israel not because he's a zionist (which he's definitely not), but because he's a good American patriot. And a lover of peace. You can be sure because Horowitz says so:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4434

The Dog Ate My Homework
Christian Apologist: The Churches are now controlled by jews. You get rid of the all-powerful jews running the Churches, and then we will make our Churches less anti-White.
kike Apologist: David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam: My neighbor's dog told me to shoot all those people. I even tried to kill the dog, but he obviously had superior survival skills. If the parole board will only get rid of all these mind-controlling dogs and let me back on the streets, I swear I won't harm anyone else. In prison I was born again and found Jesus, just like President Bush. Look how peaceful he is.[/QUOTE]

LOL. You are a sharp tack FS. That covers 90% of the ground for sure. That would be a good front page article for VNN.

Yes sometimes apologetics requires some pretzel like twists of logic. When the jew does that, I call it Talmudism. When I do it, I call it reason. LOL

sean(doc)martin
08-13-2004, 01:06 AM
Hello,
The Doc is back. You can pull seemingly funny threads like that when the Doc is not around but I am back now and ready to refute all your phony claims.

QUOTE=The Final Solution
By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Wage Apologetics
Christian Apologist: jews hate Christianity. jews hate Whites. Ergo, Christianity is good for Whites.

Do you deny the simple fact Jews hate Christianity in its purest form? Even in the NT it was explained how the Jews had a hatred for all things Christian. You can fight the Jews and that is good, but what sense does it make to fight the Christians that are fighting the Jews when so far you haven’t been able to beat the Jews. Any Christian that desires to be a WN you would browbeat until they turned completely against White Nationalism, their turn could even turn into a seething hatred for White Nationalism. Good recruiting methods. Help make White Nationalism weaker and make a few more enemies for WN’s I am sure the Jews won’t mind. If you are not going to do any good for the WN movement don’t do anything at all.

Do you deny that what I teach isn’t good for whites? Go back and read my threads on Christianity, and don’t quote from what your pastor has told you, I am talking about what I teach. If what I teach isn’t beneficial to whites then how so? Again I say stick purely to what I have taught in my threads about Christianity, and how it benefits whites in general and don’t try to sidetrack to what I teach about Pagans either stick to the subject if you are able.

We're Just a Weathervane of the Times
Christian Apologist: Christianity was once (or perhaps twice) very pro-White, when White people in general were conservative and traditionalist. Now that White people are, for reasons unrelated to Christianity, more liberal and have come to detest Racism, the Christain Churches naturally exhibit the same tendencies. The problem is entirely with White people, not Christianity.

First of all spell-check is your friend. It is with people that put their views into Christianity not the religion it’s self.

We're Not Monolithic--Stop Stereotyping, You Bigot!
Christian Apologist: Not all Christians are trying to destroy the White Race by promoting mud immigration, anti-Racism, pandering to jewry, etc. It's just the Catholics, Anglicans/Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Quakers, Mormons, Disciples, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, and some others. But the rest are just fine.

Yes those denominations are not mentioned in the bible thus are alien to the Bible’s teachings. They all have differing teachings. I am sure there are many racists in those denominations, would you turn them away in time of revolution? If so then you would have turned on Hitler also.

Turning on a white man that hates Jews because of a religious belief, you are playing into Hymies slick hand.

What they do does not represent what the rest of us are thinking.

This is the same logic as saying the National Alliance represents what every White Nationalist believes.

We're Not the Problem--We're the Solution
Christian Apologist: Some Christians may have done a few anti-White things in the past, but a vigorous, militant Christianity, now in the works, is essential for the future of the White Race.

Of course it is, if you claim 230 million Christians out there how are you, Jarl, Dr A and Aryan LD going to beat all of them? What is this mass plan for victory you seem to have since the rest of don’t have anything.

Have you done a10th of what Christian David Duke has done for our race? How about Christian Hitler or Christian GLR. GLR quote “Hitler was a Christian like ME”. Yes he was Christian.

No True Believer Would Do Those Horrible Things
Christian Apologist: God created nations. Any Christian who supports mud immigration or snivel rights is not a Real Christian. The jews murdered Jesus. Any Christian who supports zionism or tolerance of jews is not a Real Christian.

That is true I don’t really have anything to add to that.

No Offense--We Just do What We Do
Christian Apologist: Christians are not purposely trying to destroy the White Race. We just need asses in masses, which mostly means Mexcrement and Bantus. We are behaving like any institution would, just trying to survive, and can't be blamed for that.

I don’t know any Christian that has said that, certainly not me. If there is one that has said that he or she doesn’t reflect anything I believe.

We Were All Smoking Some Wierd Shit in the Sixties
Christian Apologist: Vatican II was a complete sea change that converted historically pro-White Catholicism to jew-worship and anti-nationalism, things previously unknown in the Church. Catholics will soon see the error of their ways and return to their long history of strong nationalism and anti-semitism.

Since I am not Catholic I offer no defense for them.


The Dog Ate My Homework
Christian Apologist: The Churches are now controlled by jews. You get rid of the all-powerful jews running the Churches, and then we will make our Churches less anti-White.

Where I preach is controlled by Aryans, I am one of them. As a matter of fact I have never preached at nor attended a congregation controlled by Jews. No doubt Jews have a hand in televised evangelism as they have their hand in everything that is televised. They don’t let pro-white anti-Semitic preachers on television, as they don’t let pro-white movies commercials on television either.

The bottom line is Jarl’s reports come from what the Jews allow to be reported. When you have a white congregation or a racist congregation you don’t see it plastered all over the net and television. Jarl reports the Jew news and he does it well, I wouldn’t have the patience to sit in front of the computer for hours on end to search for what he finds.

I have no problem with what he does, as I do the same thing (quoting hypocritical religious organizations) I just do it on a more local level instead of flooding a message board with cut and paste religious threads.

As a matter of fact I have a notebook just for that, I save news articles containing the misdeeds of So-called Christians and I give copies to anyone that wants them. As of right now I have around 350 pages of material. Topics concerning the support of Israel to gun laws by so called Christians. The only difference is I don’t do it with a hatred for Christianity, my goal is to educate Christians and make them more aware to truth.

Whereas yours and Jarl’s goal more than likely (from what I can see) is to destroy Christianity or get rid of any Christian WN’s or potential Christian WN’s.

Your buddy Dr A has in his sig
Let us craft all things into a vechicle for Aryan racism, and make all obstacles into opportunities,and bend them to our Racist will.And the laughter of our enemies will be heard no more.

Other than his horrendous spelling those are some words to live by. If you are going to fight a war you don’t destroy all your guns, even if they did come from enemy hands. If you are going to fight a revolution you don’t destroy all your potential allies, nor do you make more enemies than you have to especially when you are outnumbered 1,000 to 1.

But instead of trying to craft Christians into racially aware Christians you make sure to tell them White Nationalism isn’t for them and if we don’t believe whatever it is you believe then we are wrong.

No movement that forces it’s religion on people will ever be accepted, and if White Nationalism is to ever get off the ground it will have to accept freedom of religion.

I will say YES Christianity is necessary for revolution, because there are to many Christians and unless you have at least a significant number of us on your side you are never going anywhere.


Bottom Line do you deny a person can be a Christian and a racist at the same time?

The Final Solution
08-13-2004, 07:02 AM
[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]Hello,
The Doc is back. You can pull seemingly funny threads like that when the Doc is not around but I am back now and ready to refute all your phony claims. [/QUOTE]

Huh? When was the Doc gone? And speaking of phony claims, what of the Doc's promise that the Doc was leaving, made weeks ago? Is there a finite duration to the Doc's promises, or will the Doc leave when Jesus returns?

Doc doesn't understand that his purported "refutation" is way off topic, since the thread was not about debating religion, which I would never do with a true believer like the Doc, just as I would never try to convince Son of Sam that the dog is not in fact speaking to him. Waste of my time, waste of his. Maybe the shrinks will someday have a pill for beliefs like those of the Doc and the Son of Sam.

The purpose of the thread was to document a similarity in rhetorical styles between kike apologists and Christian apologists, and the Doc's further descent into pettifoggery in reply just proves the point. Much obliged.

MOMUS
08-13-2004, 09:13 AM
Excellent article, Final Solution.

The "Dorc" is a retarded compulsive liar, too stupid to be a dissembling Jew-troll. All of his posts had BANNED written on them in huge bold letters for several days. Now the lying 'tard is back.
Just ignore him, he doesn't have sense enough to know what a tool he is.
Excellent article, Final Solution.

Fredrik Haerne
08-14-2004, 03:10 PM
Yes, truly excellent post, Final Solution! My favorites are the two first ones: boy, have we heard those excuses enough.


[QUOTE=Jarl]You should send/submit it to Linder for Front Page on VNN ![/QUOTE]

My thought exactly. Final Solution, you have to send this to Alex. Or we'll tie you to a chair and send it before you get loose.

FranzJoseph
08-14-2004, 03:55 PM
[QUOTE=MOMUS]
The "Dorc" is a retarded compulsive liar, too stupid to be a dissembling Jew-troll... Just ignore him...[/QUOTE]

Amen to that. This forum will be immeasurably improved by taking this sound advice.

Final Solution:

Great post!

sean(doc)martin
08-15-2004, 12:08 AM
[QUOTE=The Final Solution]

since the thread was not about debating religion, which I would never do with a true believer like the Doc,
[/QUOTE]
Because you know the Doc is to sharp for you.