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Randolph
December 2nd, 2003, 05:19 PM
Randolph, the libertarian white supremicist economist, is now back.


For years I have been looking for a legal "monkey wrench" to allow for white business men and women to earn their keep without having to be forced to support all of those who whine about equality.

I think I have found it.

This whole corrupt system where others can live of of your blood, sweat, and tears is backed by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on our money.

Combined with the legal tender laws and the monopoly to print as many paper dollars as they wish, we are being robbed my friend.

You must understand that money is unlike all other commodities on the market. More of it in the market place will not increase our well being. To help you understand this, imagine that everyone wakes up tomorrow with their money doubled. Will everyone now be twice as rich? No. Because once everyone begins to spend that new money, prices will double.

You also have to understand that when the Fed increases the money supply, it acts as a hidden tax increase. It will also benefit some at the expense of others. Typically, those who get the new money first will be able to buy products and services before the prices readjust upwards to a higher equilibrium. This means that the Federal Government, being first in line for the new money, can but at lower prices than the rest of us (keep in mind I am not accounting for kickbacks or corruption).

The next in line will be the contractors like Betchel and Halliburton. The new dollars they get is still early enough in the game so that they can buy at the old prices before the prices readjust themselves upwards.

Typically the last in line are your pensioners and those on fix income. Also those who work and save will get shafted. This segment will likely to find themselves in the never ending cycle of seeing the purchasing power of their money lose gound to inflation.

I gave a short version of the effects of the Federal Reserve and I could go on to other effects if anyone wishes to discuss this further. I do want to say that the Federal Reserve and our corrupt banking system can be abolished.

For this to work, it will be up to our small businesses to do this by offering a two-tiered pricing system that discriminates against the fiat dollar and offers a premium on gold and silver.

Example:

A new roof for a house will typically be priced at $2,000.00.

Current market rate for gold is $400.00 an oz.

Another way to see this is that the roof will cost 5 oz. of gold.

What a business man could do is offer a discount for gold and price the roof at 4.5oz.

Then over time, people will become used to using gold again and see the benefits. They will begin to notice that gold keeps its purchasing power while the dollars are continually depreciating.

The Arabs are beginning to do this and the Chinese are buying up gold and gold stocks. What scares me is that white people are ignorant of the consequences of our Fed's policy.

They are selling us into third world poverty and we need to jump off this runaway train before it goes off the bridge.

Rob Roy MacGregor
December 2nd, 2003, 05:30 PM
Check out this site:

http://www.libertydollar.org/

It looks like they are trying to give the FED® a run for their "money".

Rob Roy MacGregor
December 2nd, 2003, 05:57 PM
Franklin Roosevelt outlawed gold bullion in 1933. If whites followed your advice, the government would just do it again.

The GOLD and SILVER standard is still in our Constitution. In fact it is the ONLY legal money that can be used.

FDR is being proven constantly for the JEW-TOOL FRAUD that he was.

A little Civil Disobediance can be healthy!

These guys might be onto something: http://www.libertydollar.org/

Rob Roy MacGregor
December 2nd, 2003, 06:06 PM
The government has been trampling over the Constitution to achieve its nefarious ends ever since Lincoln.


I can't disagree there!

Keep your powder dry! LOL

no_nomen
December 2nd, 2003, 06:08 PM
Randolph, the libertarian white supremicist economist,
... Then over time, people will become used to using gold again and see the benefits.

Here is a look at what life can be like when you get rid of
old YHVH's Desert Bandits Gold and Silver Con Game
and turn to a NS-Production--Energy based money system.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/ihf_1769_17750679

Look to Germany by American Stanley McClatchie 1936 and first
published by Adolf Hitler's photographer, Heinrich Hoffmann in
1937.

The book Look to Germany was written by American Stanley
McClatchie in 1936 and first published by Adolf Hitler's
photographer, Heinrich Hoffmann in 1937. Young McClatchie, a
member of a wealthy and well-known Southern California family,
had lived in Germany prior to the Nazi ascent to power in January
1933.

Returning to Germany at the time of the Olympics in 1936,
McClatchie found himself very impressed by the consolidation of
political power that Hitler had engineered, and by the industrial,
technical and social revolution that had taken place in Germany
under the Nazis.

In Look to Germany McClatchie describes and depicts
in 300 photos the new Germany with which he was so
impressed. He knew and wrote that Look to Germany would be
seen as Nazi propaganda by many, and it certainly was. When
World War II began American owners of English language
editions of the book discarded them in an effort to avoid the
appearance of being Nazi sympathizers and unpatriotic.

After the war the book was considered dangerous by the victorious

Allies and de-Nazification Commissions sought them out for destruction.

Original examples of Look to Germany are very scarce and if they
can be located they are extremely expensive. Publication of this
replica of the rare original English language edition assures that
those who wish to read it will be able to locate a copy.

Softbound, 248 pages, over 300 photos, 8.5 x 11 inch size.

http://store.yahoo.com/ihf/b023.html
http://www.pzg.biz/recovery_books.htm#Look to Germany - The Heart of Europe

Book -
Look To Germany (by Stanley McClatchie)
B023$30.00

Randolph
December 2nd, 2003, 06:44 PM
I am not comfortable with the Liberty Dollar. It seems to be a "dollar" backed by silver but not redeemable in silver.

You have to understand the difference. I do not trust it.

Unless the Liberty Dollar says right on the paper that it is redeemable in X amount of silver, it is fiat, worthless.

For a change to take place, actual gold and silver coind will have to be used for some time until certain bankers establish good reputations for honesty.

Randolph
December 2nd, 2003, 06:53 PM
No nomen,

It is the likes of you who have sold your white brothers and sisters down the road to ruin. Whether it is knowingly or not, I do not care.

At the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution, the white man and all other races were not too far apart in terms of living standards and longevity.

But once the white man was free to work for his own sake, he blossomed into a superior race, far ahead of all others. It was capitalism that help creat our superiority. Socialism will destroy it, even National Socialism (Nazism).

I have read up over that last two months on Germany's economic history from about the 1870s to 1940s. You will not be able to fool me with any of that great Nazi economy bull shit.

Lets debate honestly and find the truth. I will study Nazism, if you will study economic science.

Craig Smith
December 2nd, 2003, 07:18 PM
The International monetary system is troubling, but not for the type of money it produces.

The only way to get away from the parasites is to gain political power and legislate them away. Money is a worthless value; money serves nothing but the lowest common denominator.

Craig Smith
December 2nd, 2003, 07:19 PM
It was capitalism that help creat our superiority.

I partially agree. It was eugenics, competition and meritocracy that helped create how we are. However, that isn't solely manifested in capitalism, and is poorly manifested in capitalism because capitalism rewards ONLY economic competition.

Ossian
December 2nd, 2003, 07:41 PM
Hitler took over the reins at the time of the Great Depression. What followed is a matter of history. There were 6,000,000 unemployed in Germany (about 30 percent of the working population) and 11,000,000 in the U.S. But "within two years [Hitler's] schemes for the regeneration of the German people astonished everyone. While the Ship of State in America was lumbering rudderless in stormy seas, Hitler was steering his bark into comparatively calm water at home. Never was such a feat excelled, and he drew from Churchill and many others praise never before given to a European politician."
The transformation seemed miraculous. Industry was booming. Unemployment was wiped out. Savings began to climb. The German peasant, who had been on the verge of utter ruin, was given the honored status as the source of the nation's food supply, his land was released from the grip of the Jewish usurer and measures taken to ensure that it should "remain permanently in the possession of one family, handed down from father to son."
The sterilization of the unfit was begun, under the supervision of eugenics courts, to whose competence and conscientiousness Lothrop Stoddard witnessed in his Into the Darkness. Improvement of the German people's genetic stock was fostered by marriage loans to couples who had graded high in selective tests, one quarter of which was cancelled for each child they brought into the world. And this is only to mention some of the most important undertakings that were launched, reaching, it was planned, far into Germany's future.
But economically all this was founded on moves that were detestable to the international bankers. Instead of basing Germany's recovery on enormous loans from their banks, as they had counted on his doing, he realized that (to say it again) the hand that lends is always stronger than the hand that receives, and that therefore Germany could never be free, to chose her course and shape her life according to her own will, or even to achieve a recovery that was real and to build an economy that would prove solid and lasting, if she went into debt to the international bankers.
He therefore worked out a temporary expedient of barter, by which he could get much of what he needed by exchanging German surplus for the surplus of other countries-in common parlance, by swapping. But of much farther-reaching significance than this, and to the bankers more horrifying and infuriating, was his growing realization-like that of Lincoln during our Civil War-that the credit of a nation is a social product and requires no backing of bankers' gold.
The sound basis of it is "the abundance of the productive capacity of nature taken together with the responsibility of the whole people." It therefore "belongs to the nation, and there is not the slightest reason why the nation should have to pay for its own credit." To demand that it do so is as preposterous as it would be to try to force a man to pay rent for the use of his own house. What Lincoln gave the American people, Hitler gave the people of Germany-"their own paper to pay their own debts."
The almost immediate result, in the world of international commerce, was a great burst of prosperity and florescence. Germany began to crowd out all competitors, not only in the nearby Balkans, but even in South America. "By means of barter trade Germany was able to sweep the South American markets until 1936, by which time her export trade had doubled and and that of the United States had declined... Between 1936 and 1937, Hitler's four year plan was well on the way to success, but then came an ultimatum from the financiers that Germany must return to the Gold Standard 'as the only method which could so regulate international trade as to prevent war' "
But the truth was something very different. The truth was that Hitler's money system-not the mere theory of it, but its practical soundness and its actual widespread success both at home and abroad, a soundness and a success that were being demonstrated before the eyes of the whole world-laid the axe to the very root of the international bankers' power and their dream of world dominion.
[B]Gold is unnecessary to make a currency sound and trustworthy! Money that could be issued in any necessary quantity without going into debt for it! No wonder the bankers stood aghast at the prospect, and decided that Hitler had to be destroyed.
Probably Viscount Lymington hit the nail exactly on the head when he declared in his The New Pioneer for May 1939:
"If we have a period of peace for only three years, the financial system of Messrs. Frankfurter, Warburg and Baruch and most of Wall Street, will topple of its own accord."
But probably the Jewish High Command itself was the first to realize that the time Fate allowed them was short, that they must crush the Hitler menace quickly or lose forever. And this perhaps lends credibility to the charge, quoted from the English monthly The Word, that "Marriner Eccles of the Federal Reserve Board and Montagu Norman of the Bank of England agreed not later than 1935 on the joint policy of killing Hitler's financial experiment by all methods, including war, if necessary. Norman's job was to engineer Hitler into the dilemma of having to reverse his financial policy or commit an act of war." In any case, we know that the invasion of Czechoslovakia or the sovereignty of Poland had little to do with the origin of the war.
All my inquiry into the matter has left me very certain that the primary issue, over which the war was precipitated and fought, was Germany's rejection of the Gold Standard, and the bankers' realization that Hitler's system, if not overthrown by force, would spread all over the world and be the utter ruination of their parasitic system based on the creation of debt.

--W.G. Simpson

no_nomen
December 2nd, 2003, 07:43 PM
No nomen,

It is the likes of you who have sold your white brothers and sisters
down the road to ruin. Lets debate honestly and find the truth.
I will study Nazism, if you will study economic science.

I know that some find it a terribly embarrassing question but –
Why did the Good Christian American and British people fight and
die on the side of “anti-Christian” Stalin/Russia?

We should never forget the REAL reason TENS of MILLIONS of Aryans
were Murdered and WHO did the CRIME for the jewish Money Powers –

...........OH! But then - Of course that's OUR money system!
...........

"Hitler began his rule by breaking with the international bankers.
He believed that Germany could never be a sovereign and really
independent state so long as she had to live on borrowed money.
Instead of going to the bankers for money to buy what she had to
procure from abroad, she bartered (that is, swapped) some of her
surplus to obtain what she needed from the surplus of other nations -
- without debts being incurred on either side.

And with this approach Germany was soon crowding out all competitors.
Moreover, for the money required to finance her vast programs for a
complete regeneration of the life of the German people and for making
Germany the most powerful state in Europe, he simply issued what
money was needed, on the authority of the German government, and
based it not on gold, of which he had none, but on the productive
wealth of the land within German confines, combined with the
productivity inherent in German brains and German labor.

"And it proved sound. It worked. In less than ten years Germany
became easily the most powerful state in Europe. It worked so
magically and magnificently that it sounded the death knell of the
entire Jewish money system. World Jewry knew that they had to
destroy Hitler's system, by whatever means might prove necessary,
or their own [system] would necessarily die.

And if it died, with it must die their dream and their hope of making
themselves masters of the world. The primary issue over which World
War II was fought was to determine which money system was to
survive. At bottom it was not a war between Germany and the so-
called allies. Primarily it was war to the death between Germany and
the International Money Power."

William Gayley Simpson, 'Which Way Western Man' (p.642)

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/luge.jpg

The caption is: "Death to Lies." A strong Nazi fist grips a
snake with "Marxism" and "High Finance" on it.
National Socailist Poster 1930-1932 period

Now we must again ask WHY would the Good Christian
American, English and other people fight and die to destroy
the jews greatest enemy. Millions of Aryans died to save the
jewish Money Powers. Of course that's OUR money system!

no_nomen
December 3rd, 2003, 08:19 PM
no_nomen asks:

Since you are so well versed in the Federal Reserve
and the "money issue" it would be only logical to
assume that you know full well that there is little
to no gold owned by the U.S. ;'>)))


Randolph writes:

I would like to find out the truth of the matter.
I will post that question to a forum of economists
that I am a member of and will get the anwer.


no_nomen writes:

OK: I shall get right to the point.

Ask your 'economists' exactly when the US gold
reserve has been audited!

Be sure and let us know their answer!

Please provide us with a refrence to a US Government
document showing the results and date of the gold audit.
Several different years of audits would really be most
helpful.

If the US Gov. has a reserve of gold surely they do an
audit at least yearly. Gold is too valuable for the US Gov.
not to keep very good records of their holdings!

RIGHT ???

.

Craig Smith
December 4th, 2003, 02:03 AM
A discuss about action got derailed into bickering over gold standards. Good work.

Strapu
December 4th, 2003, 02:35 AM
Randolph, the libertarian white supremicist economist, is now back.


For years I have been looking for a legal "monkey wrench" to allow for white business men and women to earn their keep without having to be forced to support all of those who whine about equality.

I think I have found it.

This whole corrupt system where others can live of of your blood, sweat, and tears is backed by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on our money.

Combined with the legal tender laws and the monopoly to print as many paper dollars as they wish, we are being robbed my friend.

You must understand that money is unlike all other commodities on the market. More of it in the market place will not increase our well being. To help you understand this, imagine that everyone wakes up tomorrow with their money doubled. Will everyone now be twice as rich? No. Because once everyone begins to spend that new money, prices will double.

You also have to understand that when the Fed increases the money supply, it acts as a hidden tax increase. It will also benefit some at the expense of others. Typically, those who get the new money first will be able to buy products and services before the prices readjust upwards to a higher equilibrium. This means that the Federal Government, being first in line for the new money, can but at lower prices than the rest of us (keep in mind I am not accounting for kickbacks or corruption).

The next in line will be the contractors like Betchel and Halliburton. The new dollars they get is still early enough in the game so that they can buy at the old prices before the prices readjust themselves upwards.

Typically the last in line are your pensioners and those on fix income. Also those who work and save will get shafted. This segment will likely to find themselves in the never ending cycle of seeing the purchasing power of their money lose gound to inflation.

I gave a short version of the effects of the Federal Reserve and I could go on to other effects if anyone wishes to discuss this further. I do want to say that the Federal Reserve and our corrupt banking system can be abolished.

For this to work, it will be up to our small businesses to do this by offering a two-tiered pricing system that discriminates against the fiat dollar and offers a premium on gold and silver.

Example:

A new roof for a house will typically be priced at $2,000.00.

Current market rate for gold is $400.00 an oz.

Another way to see this is that the roof will cost 5 oz. of gold.

What a business man could do is offer a discount for gold and price the roof at 4.5oz.

Then over time, people will become used to using gold again and see the benefits. They will begin to notice that gold keeps its purchasing power while the dollars are continually depreciating.

The Arabs are beginning to do this and the Chinese are buying up gold and gold stocks. What scares me is that white people are ignorant of the consequences of our Fed's policy.

They are selling us into third world poverty and we need to jump off this runaway train before it goes off the bridge.

See my reply on the thread "Time To Grow Up." What worked for the King of England will work for King George, as long as we have the guts to back it up with blood if necessary. A revolution is the only solution, beginning with a national tax revolt. It matters not what backs our currency as long as we, the people, are in control of it.

no_nomen
December 4th, 2003, 03:09 AM
A discuss about action got derailed into bickering over gold standards.
Good work.
CS Sir,

A review of this thread from the top shows that the 'gold standard'
was what this thread was about from the beginning.
Just an observation Sir.

.

no_nomen
December 5th, 2003, 07:25 AM
Randolph, the libertarian white supremicist economist, is now back.
For years I have been looking for a legal "monkey wrench" to allow
for white business men and women to earn their keep without having
to be forced to support all of those who whine about equality.
I think I have found it... over time, people will become used to using
gold again and see the benefits.

I wonder why Randolph, the libertarian white supremicist
economist doesn't know about this?

I suppose the public fool system is to blame.

The real cause of America's war for independence
was the same as the reason for WW2.

The Colonies issued Colonial Script and the National Socialists
issued Reichmarks: Neither backed by gold and/or silver.

And both were so beneficial to both economies that
everyday Folk prospered wildly!

That was more than the Jew Bankers could stand!

_________________
THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION (1764 - 1781)

By the mid 1700's Britain was at its height of power, but was also heavily in debt.

Since the creation of the Bank of England, they had suffered four costly wars and the total debt now stood at £140,000,000, (which in those days was a lot of money).

In order to make their interest payments to the bank, the British government set about a programme to try to raise revenues from their American colonies, largely through an extensive programme of taxation.

There was a shortage of material for minting coins in the colonies, so they began to print their own paper money, which they called Colonial Script. This provided a very successful means of exchange and also gave the colonies a sense of identity. Colonial Script was money provided to help the exchange of goods. It was debt free paper money not backed by gold or silver.

During a visit to Britain in 1763, The Bank of England asked Benjamin Franklin how he would account for the new found prosperity in the colonies. Franklin replied.

"That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Script. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers.

In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one."
Benjamin Franklin 1

America had learned that the people's confidence in the currency was all they needed, and they could be free of borrowing debts. That would mean being free of the Bank of England.

In Response the world's most powerful independent bank used its influence on the British parliament to press for the passing of the Currency Act of 1764.

This act made it illegal for the colonies to print their own money, and forced them to pay all future taxes to Britain in silver or gold.

Here is what Franklin said after that.

"In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed."
Benjamin Franklin

"The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War."
Benjamin Franklin's autobiography

By the time the war began on 19th April 1775 much of the gold and silver had been taken by British taxation. They were left with no other choice but to print money to finance the war.

What is interesting here is that Colonial Script was actually working so well, it became a threat to the established economic system of the time.

The idea of issuing money as Franklin put it "in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry" and not charging any interest, was not causing any problems or inflation. This unfortunately was alien to the Bank of England which only issued money for the sake of making a profit for its shareholder's.


1. Congressman Charles G. Binderup of Nebraska, Unrobing the Ghosts of Wall Street
.

Randolph
December 5th, 2003, 11:06 AM
The International monetary system is troubling, but not for the type of money it produces.

The only way to get away from the parasites is to gain political power and legislate them away. Money is a worthless value; money serves nothing but the lowest common denominator.


Craig,

Please read the two sources I provided on money. One article, On the Origins of Money, was originally written in German.

Money is, perhaps, the greatest invention in the history of man. Without it, we would all have to back to barter and give up our modern life.

Without money how would a farmer who wants to sell a cow (undividable) and purchase clothes, shoes, books, a TV? Money is indispensible in a modern industrial society.

Randolph
December 5th, 2003, 12:06 PM
When someone brings up Ben Franklin and his comments on the supposed benefits of paper money they alwoas seem to neglect to also mention that:

1) Ben Franklin was given the monopoly to print paper money for the government. Of course he is going to say wonderful things about paper money.

2) Franklin also said that printing money is a very lucrative business.

No nomen, you going to have to come up with something better than Ben Franklin. He is as credible as the CEO of Halliburton giving the UN a speech on the benefits of public infranstructure.

Randolph
December 5th, 2003, 12:09 PM
Non nomen,

When you did all that research on colonial paper money did you ever come across the phrase "not worth a continental"?

That is the eventual outcome of fiat paper money that is not backed by gold.

Hell, even the US dollar goes into a crisis every 20-30 years.

Turk Hunter
December 5th, 2003, 06:20 PM
[The German translation is almost right. It really reads "Death to lies". German is not always direct, word for word translatable, but you've certainly done a much better job than most non-German speakers could.
A currencey backed by gold is better than a currencey which is backed up by air as was the case in monkey Brazil.
An economy which is dependant on a stock market isn't that much better.
Trade by barter is the oldest and most reliable form of economy



The caption is: "Death to Lies." A strong Nazi fist grips a
snake with "Marxism" and "High Finance" on it.
National Socailist Poster 1930-1932 period

Randolph
December 5th, 2003, 06:21 PM
Some of your comments have been interesting and show a general lack of understanding of economics.

I have posted two scholarly links to understanding money and the banking system. Instead of reading and educating yourselves, the usual knee jerk reaction is to dismiss these links and check up on your Guide to Dr. Pierce to see if this source can be used. Not one of you have read the article or have delt directly with the issue of taking back our money. Everyone of you have been brainwashed into thinking that money comes from government. If you had read the articles, you would have learned how money came about and what money really is.

If you want to get rid of the Federal Reserve, start using gold and silver coins today in as many trades as you can. It is the only form of money that can be used and accepted as an alternative to the fiat moneys of the world.

Stay away from the Liberty Dollar. It looks to be a fraud waiting to happen. If they were for real, each liberty dollar would state right on front and center how many silver oz. this Liberty Dollar can be exchanged for.

Stay clear from No_nomen's posts on economics. He seems to know much about history. However, what he knows about economics is little to nothing outside of what he gets from history books. I have given him a whole week to answer how he can create money out of labor productivity. I am asking in reference to one of his pompous replies with an article from the nazi era. He has been given a challenge. I called his bluff, either he can put up or shut up.

Randolph
December 5th, 2003, 06:25 PM
[The German translation is almost right. It really reads "Death to lies". German is not always direct, word for word translatable, but you've certainly done a much better job than most non-German speakers could.
A currencey backed by gold is better than a currencey which is backed up by air as was the case in monkey Brazil.
An economy which is dependant on a stock market isn't that much better.
Trade by barter is the oldest and most reliable form of economy



The caption is: "Death to Lies." A strong Nazi fist grips a
snake with "Marxism" and "High Finance" on it.
National Socailist Poster 1930-1932 period


You say trade by barter is better but do not back it up. If we go back to barter you can kiss good bye to the modern industrial economy.

I will like for one of you to prove thoeretically that barter is better than money, than to smugly state "barter is better" and walk away.

Turk Hunter
December 5th, 2003, 08:05 PM
You say trade by barter is better but do not back it up. If we go back to barter you can kiss good bye to the modern industrial economy.

I will like for one of you to prove thoeretically that barter is better than money, than to smugly state "barter is better" and walk away.



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You say trade by barter is better but do not back it up. If we go back to barter you can kiss good bye to the modern industrial economy.

I will like for one of you to prove thoeretically that barter is better than money, than to smugly state "barter is better" and walk away.
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Did any1 see me walking away?
It's probably not better in all cases but for the following.
I’ll state 1 case for why “barter is better”: If Columbia needed 20 Mercedes-Benz 30 ton capacity trucks (hypathetical example), by rules of barter, Germany would get the payment in coffee or bananas or a combination of both. There would be no way for corrupt officials to get around this business by skimming. They could try by loading the new vehicles on some freighter and docking on some foreign coastline to off them. Since the vehicles have traceable serial numbers, no buyer would be dumb enough to pay list price for these vehicles (the original transaction would be traceable as well), whereas he could buy them new direct from the factory for the same price. Tax incentives would be granted to Mercedes for every transaction done in this fashion. For the German government, this would have the follwing advantages: a reduction of accounting and auditing administrative personel, thus reducing payrolls, pensions and social insurance. For the Columbian people, this would have the following advantage: They will be seeing the fruits of their tax money. This would help instill a certain amount of discipline in government, especially if coupled with the total withdrawal of monetary aid, loans and other grants for development. Development aid would only be available in an intellectual form for a few bananas more. This could only work as long as pressure is put on lobbied countries to stop insurgencey in the interest of multi-national corporations and limited companies (BP Petroleum as a notorious example).
The bad side of what I just typed: The Trucks will be sold at dumping prices so that the corrupt official will have to settle with less cash. Because of the nature of Latin Americans, efforts persued in order to get them to change their ways will amount to a total waste of time. The whole idea was a pipe dream.
A cure for their dilemma would probably equal the eradication of the AIDS virus. Namely by killing the host

no_nomen
December 5th, 2003, 08:08 PM
Non nomen,
When you did all that research on colonial paper money did you
ever come across the phrase "not worth a continental"?



I do wonder why Randolph doesn't know:

America had learned that the people's confidence in the currency was all they needed, and they could be free of borrowing debts. That would mean being free of the Bank of England. ( or the Federal Reserve Private Bank )

In Response the world's most powerful independent bank used its influence on the British parliament to press for the passing of the Currency Act of 1764.

This act made it illegal for the colonies to print their own money, and forced them to pay all future taxes to Britain in silver or gold.

Here is what Franklin said after that.

"In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed."
Benjamin Franklin

"The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War."
Benjamin Franklin's autobiography

By the time the war began on 19th April 1775 much of the gold and silver had been taken by British taxation. They were left with no other choice but to print money to finance the war.

What is interesting here is that Colonial Script was actually working so well, it became a threat to the established economic system of the time.


1. Congressman Charles G. Binderup of Nebraska, Unrobing the Ghosts of Wall Street

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no_nomen
December 5th, 2003, 11:08 PM
One of those $20 dollar gold coins that was never turned in, recently sold at
auction in New York for $7 million!!!!!!!!!!!! Talking about gold holding its value!!
Hmmmm, what's going on here?
Guess Joo runs most all of the rare coin bis. and the gold and silver bis.
And guess Joo now holds the gold turned in under FDR and resells it now
as "Rare Mint State" gold coins for a fantastic markup..

Pathogen
December 6th, 2003, 05:36 PM
The Liberty dollar is a silver certificate, so it is backed by silver. However, it is not redeemable at the spot price of silver. If you visit their site it breaks down the relationship between federal reserve notes and the Liberty Dollar. If you want to convert all your liquidity into gold, you can visit www.goldmoney.com. This site also allows you to make payments with others strictly in gold.

I am not comfortable with the Liberty Dollar. It seems to be a "dollar" backed by silver but not redeemable in silver.

You have to understand the difference. I do not trust it.

Unless the Liberty Dollar says right on the paper that it is redeemable in X amount of silver, it is fiat, worthless.

For a change to take place, actual gold and silver coind will have to be used for some time until certain bankers establish good reputations for honesty.

Styrkar Nielsen
December 7th, 2003, 01:49 AM
Randolph, you must realize that economics is not a science at all. Its when it becomes a con job that it becomes a science to keep people from figuring it out.

Buy low, sell high. Buy from whites, build factories, keep the money in your own little circle.

Thats all there is to know.

You make it all sound so complicated that people close thier minds and go along with the Rothschild economic system.

Making money is simple when whites cooperate with each other instead of taking loans from jew banks.

no_nomen
December 7th, 2003, 04:05 AM
Randolph, you must realize that economics is not a
science at all. Its when it becomes a con job
that it becomes a science to keep people from
figuring it out.

IT'Z also known as:


.......Talmudic Bovine Flatulance
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Pathogen
December 8th, 2003, 08:14 AM
[QUOTE=Styrkar Nielsen]Randolph, you must realize that economics is not a science at all. QUOTE]

Tell me some restaurants where it is possible to get a free lunch, then. I'm always looking for ways to save money.

Randolph
December 8th, 2003, 11:17 AM
The Liberty dollar is a silver certificate, so it is backed by silver. However, it is not redeemable at the spot price of silver. If you visit their site it breaks down the relationship between federal reserve notes and the Liberty Dollar. If you want to convert all your liquidity into gold, you can visit www.goldmoney.com. This site also allows you to make payments with others strictly in gold.


Personally, I would stay away from all internet bankers until they develop a reputation for honesty.

We ahve been off the gold standard for three generations now and no one really knows what free banking is anymore. Start with actual gold coins. Then work your way to an actual money bank warehouse that will hold you gold AND promises no fractional banking.

You had better chack to make sure that Goldmoney does not have fractional banking. If it does, stay away from it.

Randolph
December 8th, 2003, 11:25 AM
Economics not a science?

With that statement you have admitted your ignorance of how the market place works in reality. You are a hopeless case and not even worth debating anymore.

Remember the name Randolph. I will be the one who will be leading the white movement from here on. It is apparent that none of you are capible of leading more than a band of 15 beer drinkers with 12 guage shotguns.

no_nomen
December 8th, 2003, 11:44 AM
Remember the name Randolph. I will be the one
who will be leading the white movement from here on.

...Buy Gold while the market is hot...

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....Help Randolph lead the Herd...


.........Buy High ... Sell Low !

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Antiochus Epiphanes
December 8th, 2003, 12:27 PM
looks like an honest discussion has degenerated into a series of flames and nonsequiters again. how i'd hoped that vnnforum the second time around would do better.

randolph: skip posting this stuff at the forum and work on a good essay and mail it to alex. put all the scholarly stuff into it, edit it, churn it out for the main page. if you dont like the flames from the peanut gallery, redirect your comments to a larger audience. it doesnt get much larger than vnn's main page.

Randolph
December 8th, 2003, 02:42 PM
Perhaps you can clue us in as to what "free banking" really is? Has banking, or anything for that matter, ever been "free"? Inquiring minds want to know!
Perhaps you said it best when you said: "no one really knows what free banking is.......", except you, of course.


Free banking is free in the sense that it is free of governmental interference.

http://www.mises.org/money.asp

The link is the the best introductory piece on what was done to our money.

Randolph
December 8th, 2003, 02:45 PM
That may be true, however, in times when there is general mistrust of just about everything, having a money system easily convertible into gold surely can't hurt. I'd say that such a system is preferable to the one we have now.


No one every said that gold was the perfect form of money. But after thousands of years, nothing else has taken its place.

We are entering another phase of currency crises on a world wide scale. You can ignore me and laugh at me all you wish. Just put aside some of your cash in the form of gold or silver just to be safe.

Randolph
December 8th, 2003, 03:01 PM
...Buy Gold while the market is hot...

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.........Buy High ... Sell Low !

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Go ahead and keep your money in US Dollars. It is amazing that someone who claims to know so much about Germany and National Socialism does not remember the hyper inflation of Nazi Germany. My grandfather told me stories of having a wheel barrow of money just to buy a carton of cigarettes. It got so bad that money was cigarettes.

Look at Zimbabwe today. The government printed so much currency over the last several months that it is cheaper to wipe your ass with a ten dollar note then with 1 ply of tissue.

Gold may not be perfect, but at least the government cannot print more and more and loot our wealth. With the monopoly on the creation of money, governments can create a hidden tax on all of us through inflation.

No_Nomen, you need to open up and learn what money and banking really is. No modern industrial society can survive without a sound money and banking system based on respect for property rights.

Capitalism is the way to go. No amount of hand wringing and propaganda is going to change how people choose to conduct their own personal affairs. If we are going to turn around this mess we are in and recruit the majority of the white population, we can only do it by advocating free enterprise.

Ask yourself this: Who is really confident of white superiority, the one who is confident of whites in the free market, or one who wants to use the government to regulate white superiority? Obviously, it is I who is the real white supremicist. It is I who is confident in the white man's ability to dominate if we just eliminate the state's interference in our affairs. People like you do not show much confidence in your own race. Move aside and let the real leaders take over.

no_nomen
December 8th, 2003, 03:45 PM
...Gold may not be perfect.But itz hot! ......Randoph doesn't like free advertising?... :confused:
Remember the name Randolph. I will be the one
who will be leading the white movement from here on.
...Buy Gold while the market is hot...

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....Help Randolph lead the Herd...


.........Buy High ... Sell Low !

Randolph
December 8th, 2003, 03:58 PM
Quote:
You say trade by barter is better but do not back it up. If we go back to barter you can kiss good bye to the modern industrial economy.

I will like for one of you to prove thoeretically that barter is better than money, than to smugly state "barter is better" and walk away.
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Did any1 see me walking away?
It's probably not better in all cases but for the following.
I’ll state 1 case for why “barter is better”: If Columbia needed 20 Mercedes-Benz 30 ton capacity trucks (hypathetical example), by rules of barter, Germany would get the payment in coffee or bananas or a combination of both. There would be no way for corrupt officials to get around this business by skimming. They could try by loading the new vehicles on some freighter and docking on some foreign coastline to off them. Since the vehicles have traceable serial numbers,....


Turk, you did not prove a thing.

All you did show is that the decision for the economy will be directed by some supreme economic authority. Thirty trucks for coffee. What if there was no need for more coffee? Will your reply be the same of the Nazis in the 1930s? 'Germans only need one type of hat'.

In a barter economy, without money, each person will be forced to find the one person who is willing to accept product A for product B. What if the person who has product B will only accept product C for product B? Now you will have to find another person willing to accept your product A for product C in order for you to trade that product C for the product B that you wanted in the first place.

Barter will destroy our modern industrial economy and we will end up like Zimbabwe is today. Read up on Zimbabwe. That is your barter economy for you.

no_nomen
December 8th, 2003, 04:09 PM
the decision for the economy will be directed by some supreme economic authority.

Remember the name Randolph. I will be the one
who will be leading the white movement from here on.
...Buy Gold while the market is hot...

http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/au1825nyb.gif
http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/au1825nyb.gif

....Help Randolph lead the Herd...


.........Buy High ... Sell Low !

Randolph
December 8th, 2003, 04:33 PM
Thank you for the advertisments. I knew you would come around sooner or later.


Ok. In Michigan, we are trying to get on the ballot a law to ban racial preferrences. What you read about University of Michigan's affirmative action case is nothing compared to what will take place next summer in Michigan. The closer this initiative gets to be put on the ballot, the more violent things will get. After all, we are dealing with the quota of contracts that goes to the black elite and passed onto the jews that give them the money to form these black owned businesses.

This is a golden opportuntiy to recruit tens of thousands of whites to our cause - The 14 words. But if you fools continure to advocate national socialism, you can kiss this opportuntiy good bye.

PM me if you are from Michigan and want to get involved in getting signatures for this ballot proposal. We also need to get together to infiltrate these groups and slowly awaken our brothers and sisters on why we need to ban together for a White Revolution.

Lets just leave economics aside for this one issue. This is a golden opportunity.

Pathogen
December 8th, 2003, 07:38 PM
Personally, I would stay away from all internet bankers until they develop a reputation for honesty.

Do you know something I don't? They are audited every quarter and I'd wager have more honesty than the analysts who cover your stocks.


You had better chack to make sure that Goldmoney does not have fractional banking. If it does, stay away from it.

It is 100% reserve, so no fractional reserve banking.

Turk Hunter
December 8th, 2003, 07:49 PM
Quote=Randolph
Turk,

T.H.:
1st of all, I prefer the latter half of my name, “Hunter”. To adress me as “Turk” would be equivalent to adressing me “Mud”. No hard feelings, it was just an honest mistake, I know, but this could cause confusion with other readers who might think that I’m a racial Turk. Can u imagine calling yourself “Coon Hunter” on a forum only to be adressed as “Coon” throughout the dialog? Besides I shudder the thought of existing as a future lampshade.

Quote=Randolph
you did not prove a thing.

T.H.
I never intended on leaving the impression that I proved anything. If you go back and read my posting another time, you might notice that I posted both pro and con sides of the situation which I presented.
At this point in time, I don’t see the purpose for debating on which economic system is best, at a time where we transact in an economy which is foreign to us, dictated to us by people who haven’t anything to do with us other than milking. Namely, a so-called “Globalization” oriented perversion where prices are artificially adjusted in order to coincide with what the market can bear and I need not elaborate further since we in this forum, all know what’s going on.
Shouldn’t we instead wörk on getting our economy back from foreign occupiers?
These economy debates are fine as think-tanks for brain-jogging, but even a pan-White constitution would be more urgent to conceive rather than debating over something which will become relavant at even a later time.

Quote=Randolph
All you did show is that the decision for the economy will be directed by some supreme economic authority.

T.H.:
How’s that different from what’s happening today?

Quote=Randolph
Thirty trucks for coffee. What if there was no need for more coffee? Will your reply be the same of the Nazis in the 1930s? 'Germans only need one type of hat'.

T.H.:
If no one needs coffee anymore, we’ll have to label caffeine a drug and start a prohibition in order to create a demand. Just kidding, but you could have came up with a better example than coffee. Coffee has proven itself as fully reliable with consumers willing to pay any adjustment on prices.

Quote=Randolph
In a barter economy, without money, each person will be forced to find the one person who is willing to accept product A for product B. What if the person who has product B will only accept product C for product B? Now you will have to find another person willing to accept your product A for product C in order for you to trade that product C for the product B that you wanted in the first place.

T.H..
You’re absolutely right when you apply your thesis on small groups. In the imaginary scenario depicted in my last posting, the transaction töök place between countries in which the governments acted as some kind of warehouse or holding companie, if desired. World politics played a role and this was a hypothetical transaction between a 1st world and a turd world economy. In this case no money changed hands. The advantages would have been 1- transparency 2- imposed discipline on the 3rd world economy 3- Two less transaction steps (converting the movement of gööds into currencey or the like, then exchanging one currencey into another) to be taken. 4- the elimination of phoney bureaucratic jobs.

Quote=Randolph
Barter will destroy our modern industrial economy and we will end up like Zimbabwe is today. Read up on Zimbabwe. That is your barter economy for you.

T.H.:
The downfall of the Zimbabwean economy began as Rhodesia changed names.
I didn’t advocate replacing our economy with a barter economy except in those few instances where applicable on a trial basis, because until we try, we can’t know if it’s going to work, anyway.
There is a group which is in the opinion that UFO’s absolutely don’t exsist. There’s a group which says that they absolutely do. The 3rd group says that they absolutely don’t know. I’m in that 3rd group. The same goes for the barter system.
One thing I do know: We must free ourselves from our occupation economies thus getting control over our future. We want hard currencey, where applicable. We don’t want stock markets or any other form of artificial institutions dictating the value of our currencies and savings. Multi-nationals and other “Honkies” are included in my definition of economic occupational forces. We want free bargaining, which is a part of a free market.
Let’s stop wasting our time here. We are typing back and forth with people who are already nationalists rather than using the time for recruiting other Whites into our intellectual army

no_nomen
December 8th, 2003, 08:17 PM
One thing I do know: We must free ourselves from our occupation
economies thus getting control over our future. We want hard currencey.
Remember the name Randolph.
I will be the one who will be leading
the white movement from here on.
.................Buy Gold while the market is hot...

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whiteman
December 8th, 2003, 08:23 PM
[/SIZE]But itz hot!

.................Buy Gold while the market is hot...

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Are you stuttering? Seems like a record skipping?

no_nomen
December 8th, 2003, 08:30 PM
Are you stuttering? Seems like a record skipping?
No, but I promised Randolph I keep on posting his advertisment every chance I got!... ;)

no_nomen
December 9th, 2003, 08:42 PM
Just put aside some of your cash in the
form of gold or silver just to be safe.I Updated the chart Randolph- As I promised you, I shall
post your advertisements as many places as possible.
Remember the name Randolph. I will be the one
who will be leading the white movement from here on.
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Randolph
December 17th, 2003, 06:49 PM
looks like an honest discussion has degenerated into a series of flames and nonsequiters again. how i'd hoped that vnnforum the second time around would do better.

randolph: skip posting this stuff at the forum and work on a good essay and mail it to alex. put all the scholarly stuff into it, edit it, churn it out for the main page. if you dont like the flames from the peanut gallery, redirect your comments to a larger audience. it doesnt get much larger than vnn's main page.


I really do not have much time to sit down and write out a full article. Maybe I can do it over Christmas.

I also hoped that VNN would be better the second time around also. It seems to have denerated into a worse situation than before.

With so many flames, even those of us who should be friends are at each other's necks for things out of context.

Perhaps I better write a full article with references to prove that cpaitalism is the white man's economic system.