http://www.911inplanesite.com/911trailer.html

Forget Farenheit 911, this is a 52-minute movie(made to fit in a one-hour tv time slot with commercials) which will really force anyone who watches it to ask the important questions about the empirical evidence behind the official story of what happened at the Pentagon and WTC on 9/11/01. Check out the three sample video clips at the site. If anyone buys the movie, be sure to post a review.

Read here about what Sacramento citizens had to say after watching it:

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive34.htm
Following the showing, a retired vet remarked, "How did we miss this all this time? I've seen media clips of the front of that building [the Pentagon] many times, but I wasn't really seeing what was there. I feel sick."

Good catch, Palatine Creator. A buddy already ordered it. Since this is the way most people take in information, visual, it should be more powerful than hours of takling. I hope they've done a good job.

I saw this website the other day.... More films like these are ON THE WAY - GUARANTEED!

ZOG is like... SO FUCKED! http://www.rebelarmy.com/forums/images/smilies/ani/behead.gif

If someone gets it, feel free to put it in avi/DivX format for the rest of us.




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I saw F-911 the other week - definately worth seeing. Maybe get it on DVD and lend it around.

That said, it avoids any mention of the Israeli connection and tries to plug Bush's replacement.

Still a useful tool though.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=121893

I posted this on SF a few months ago. It appears the sites I am linking to are still up, thankfully. You'll have to go thru that thread, at least to the second page to see some of the better pics I posted.

Here's a question for the great thinkers of this board: if that plane did not crash into the White House, where did it go? What happened to it? What became of all of the people on board?

Here's a more cynical look at this matter:

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html

http://www.geocities.com/pentalawn2000/pentanium.html

Other than that, there are a few good links posted in that entire thread.

Cheers!
-M

Here's a more cynical look at this matter: http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html

Okay, many eyewitnesses saw the airplane hit the ground before it hit the pentagon. Now the question is, where did everything go?

That pretty much invalidates the missile theory, does it not?



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No.

Many people saw a small plane descend on the Pentagon.

Here's a question for the great thinkers of this board: if that plane did not crash into the White House, where did it go? What happened to it? What became of all of the people on board?

Either it landed on one of ZOG's off-limits bases, or it was flown into the Atlantic ocean.

Alright midget minds, I'm gonna break out the boom stick. Don't give me any shit about eyewitnesses who saw a plane hit the Pentagon. Find me one eyewitness with a signed affidavit of what he saw or even a picture.

You won't believe eyewitness UFO accounts but you'll believe eyewitness UFO accounts if it has to do with your precious government and what the jewmedia whores spew. Fucking hardheads.

Gee whiz, where are the marks on the lawn and the Boeing? Eyewitnesses saw one and jewmedia said a Boeing hit the Pentagon, so there had to be one, right? Well where is it?

http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/pelouse.jpg

The media said a Boeing hit the Pentagon, and there were eyewitnesses and stuff too. They say a picture's worth a thousand words? Where did the big old jet airliner dissappear off to? Where is it? Well? Come on out and support the gubmint version. I mean Lox news even had pictures of them 19 hateful hijackers. :rolleyes:

http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/sozen.pentagon_1.jpg
http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/pent_before1_detail.jpg
http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/avion-incrustation.jpg

Not only can Arab terrorists suspend all the known laws of physics, they can also atomize 200,000 pound Boeings.

According to the official story, AA Flight 77, a Boeing 757, took off from Dulles Airport in northern Virginia at 8:10 a.m bound for Los Angeles, with between 50 and 58 passengers. It flew west for about 45 minutes, making a curious detour to the north, west and south, before turning around and flying for another 45 minutes back to Washington. Why hijackers would allow a jet which they planned to crash into a target in Washington to fly for 45 minutes away from its target is not explained. Why did they not commandeer the plane ten minutes after takeoff when the plane was only ten minutes flying time from its intended target? The official story ignores this question, as it does all other questions.

As reported by the New York Times (International Herald Tribune, 2001-10-17, p.8), as AA 77 approached the Pentagon it executed a 270-degree 7,000-foot descent over Washington while flying at 500 mph. It approached the Pentagon on a horizontal trajectory so low that it clipped the power lines across the street then (so the story goes) it smashed into an outer wall of the Pentagon.

We were told (and, of course, expected to believe without question) that this maneuver was executed by an Arab pilot, Hani Hanjour, who in August 2001 was judged by the chief flight instructor at Bowie's Maryland Freeway Airport as not having the piloting skills required to fly a Cessna 172 solo. (Is there something fishy here?)

In contrast to the attention given to the collapse of the Twin Towers, the attack on the Pentagon received little attention until in February 2002 a French website appeared which reproduced images obtained from U.S. Army websites:

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

These images cast doubt upon the official story that the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing 757 jetliner. For example, here is a picture of the Pentagon crash site taken about two hours after the impace, with the fire still burning. Can you see any remains of the approximately 100 tons of metal (including engines, wings and tail section) which makes up a Boeing 757?

Spot the Boeing 757 in this picture

And here's a nice one (at right, click on it for an enlargement). What happened to the wings of the Boeing? Presumably the wings, with their engines attached, would have sheared off when they hit the sections of the building (to the left and right of the hole in the side of the building) which are obviously still standing, with many wing and tail fragments ending up on the lawn in front of the Pentagon. See any remnants of wings in the picture above (or in any of the other pictures on the French website)? How about an engine or two?

No? Curious ... Could it be that in fact no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon?

Note that the French website does not say that no aircraft hit the Pentagon. It could be taken to suggest that the damage was caused by a truck bomb, or that no aircraft struck the Pentagon, but a careful inspection will reveal that the website suggests only that the damage was not caused by a Boeing 757. What, then, caused the damage?

The picture below on the left is the impact site before the outer wall "collapsed" (click on it for the full picture). The picture on the right is a close-up of the impact site.



See the huge hole produced when the Boeing 757 (allegedly) smashed through and disappeared inside the building (leaving nothing of itself for investigators to find)? ... No? ... Could it be that it was actually a missile which struck the Pentagon? A missile which penetrated the outer wall leaving only a small hole — which disappeared when the wall (conveniently) "collapsed" a couple of hours later (I guess they figured they couldn't just leave it as it was since hardly anyone would believe that a Boeing 757 jet could slip through a hole just 2 or 3 meters wide).

The photographic evidence suggests that it was indeed a missile which struck the Pentagon and which penetrated several rings, punching a missile-sized hole in each wall it went through, as the picture at right shows. Here is a close-up of the exit hole.

And another question: AA Flight 77 had between 56 and 64 passengers and crew members aboard when it left Dulles airport. If it was flown into the Pentagon then what happened to the bodies? And the passengers' luggage? No trace of either has ever turned up. In every aircraft crash with people on board there are always corpses (however badly burned). Were any remains of passengers on AA Flight 77 ever returned to their relatives for burial? No? Could that be because the passengers on AA Flight 77 did not die in the attack on the Pentagon? Did they, perhaps, die somewhere else, such as Pennsylvania?

The U.S. government claimed that the passengers were identified by DNA analysis. A hundred tons of metal was incinerated completely but the DNA of the alleged passengers was, like Mohammed Atta's passport at the WTC, miraculously preserved? Do they think we are complete idiots?

That the object which struck the Pentagon was not a Boeing 757 has been conclusively demonstrated by Gerard Holmgren. See his Physical and Mathematical Analysis of the Pentagon Crash.

... each gallon of fuel [aboard the plane when it hit], even applied with intelligent efficiency, would have to melt about 18.5 lbs of aluminium [in the plane — clearly impossible]. — Part 6

I can see only one reason to cling to the belief that AA 77 hit the Pentagon. The unshakable faith that the government would not — could not — lie to us. A faith so strong that the laws of physics and motion suspend themselves in order to maintain it. — Summary


Another intelligent examination of the question of whether a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon is available at Martin Doutré's Pentagon 9/11. This site has some excellent photos of the crash site (some are available on this site here). The author points out (among other anomalies) that:

* The damage to the Pentagon is not severe enough to have been caused by the impact of a 100-ton aircraft with a wingspan of 38 meters travelling at a speed of at least 250 mph.
* Not only is there no debris on the lawn in front of the wall but the grass shows no sign of having been burnt from the incineration of massive quantities of fuel from the (alleged) plane's ruptured tanks.
* In any aircraft crash, no matter how horrific, there are always recognizable sections of the fuselage remaining.
* Photos of the crash site reveal windows just above the entrance hole in which the glass is unbroken.

In October 2003 yet another website appeared with an analysis of the Pentagon crash, this one by Jim Hoffman, The Pentagon Attack Frame-Up & Cover-Up, whose conclusion is: Whatever Struck the Pentagon Was Not a 757.

Finally, here's a simulation of what a Boeing 757 would look like as it was being flown into the Pentagon:

A Boeing 757 weighs over 100 tons and this one was supposed to be flying at over 400 mph. Yet the damage to the facade of the Pentagon is minimal:

The evidence is overwhelming that whatever caused this damage to the Pentagon was not a Boeing 757. The official story is a lie.

J.P., before you make a complete ass of yourself, those photos above, for the most part, came from cameras held by various members of the military. Hunt the Boeing!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hunthoax.html

"This story that the plane did not hit the Pentagon was obviously flawed, primarily because it did not account for where the uncrashed plane went off to. So, think about all the people who tried to sell you this lemon (in my case, many of the return email addresses were fakes), and recognize that they are either idiots or government stooges.

Note the timing of the phony story, appearing just at the right moment to distract attention away from the Israeli spy scandal, right when the United States, even as it tries to conceal the existence of the spy ring, rounds up the Israelis and deports them..

Even now, after more photos have been released of the plane's impact into the Pentagon, the shills are still wandering around the internet, trying to keep the "debate" going over whether there is an airplane or there isn't. The aircraft itself isn't the issue; tricking the public into paying attention to the debate is the real goal because if the public is paying attention to the various parties pretending to argue over whether there is an airplane or not, then the public is NOT paying attention to what the government spooks don't want the public paying attention to, namely the Israeli spies and their connection to the events of 9-11.

This is why, even though the claim that Flight 77 had not hit the Pentagon never explained where flight 77 went off to if it didn't hit the Pentagon, even though photos have surfaced of the aircraft debris and even though there are witnesses that saw the plane, the spooks are working even harder to try to keep this story alive; to manufacture a false debate as an attractant, because this is the only way they can control what the public is looking at, to keep the public from looking at the spy scandal and what it means that the United States Government CLASSIFIED the evidence that linked those Israeli spies to the events of 9-11.

Everyone who is still trying to keep this missing plane story alive, to manufacture a controversy where none really exists, to distract from the Israel spy scandal, is either an idiot or working for the governments of the United States and of Israel."

After playing Hunt the Boeing noone can leave without having serious doubts. And there are so many glaring holes in the official story: for example, why were no military aircraft sent up to follow the runaway planes in the most guarded air space in the world?

There's a good essay about the September 11 Commission's lies here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/reynolds6.html), at LRC, by Morgan Reynolds, retired professor of economics at Texas A&M University and former chief economist, US Department of Labor. LRC has a fairly large amount of readers, and it is pleasing to see that these questions are moving up in the media. Who knows, maybe some day they'll even be asked on television so that the lemmings will see them too. Take the time to read this:

The Report never confronts 9/11 skeptics on any issue, like, say, a Boeing 757 (American Airlines Flight 77) allegedly crashing into the first floor of the Pentagon and completely disappearing without a trace on the lawn through a hole in the wall no bigger than 18 feet in diameter.

Despite the mayhem aboard, no crew member ever punched in the universal four-digit code available at multiple locations for a hijack in progress. In fact, it never happened on any of the four alleged flights. How’d that happen?

Yes, how?

According to the Commission’s account, Flight 77’s transponder had been turned off at 8:56. Hey guys, that’s a felony, and under routine FAA and NORAD procedures, an unresponsive aircraft would have warranted a fighter interceptor immediately.

And yet, it didn't happen.

In public testimony in May before the Commission, NORAD claimed it had notice of hijacked flights 93 and 77 – for example, it had a Flight 93 hijack report at 9:16, 47 minutes before the alleged crash. No go, declares the Commission on p. 34: "This statement was incorrect. There was no hijack report at 9:16." Simple as that, flushed down the memory hole.

Debris scattered over eight miles from an airplane clash? Not bloody likely:

Then there’s the mystery of Flight 93. Oddly enough, the photo of the Shanksville, PA, crash site shown on the Report’s page 313 displays no fuselage and almost no debris. A rather unconventional crash, huh? Debris scattered over 8 miles, eyewitness testimony, seismic evidence on the time of the crash and government deletion of the last three minutes of the cockpit voice tape suggest that Flight 93 (or whatever plane it may have been) crashed at 10:06, not at 10:03, and was "holed," likely shot down by a U.S. warplane.

Which is perfectly likely. It is also perfectly likely that this is something they would never want people to hear.

Very interesting:

What about the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and the WTC 7 building? These could not have been caused by airliner crashes and subsequent jet fuel fires because steel melts at 1500 degrees centigrade and jet fuel peaks at 800 degrees centigrade (pp. 12–16 here). Demolition (controlled explosions) is the best explanation for such "neat," 10-second collapses of each building into its own footprint. You’d never know about these problems from the Commission. And why did the South Tower collapse 29 minutes earlier than North Tower, despite being hit 17 minutes later? No explanation. Likely answer: the fire was rapidly burning out in the motionless, stable structure, so it had to be blown early. And how could the buildings collapse in 10 seconds? Silence. Only demolition explains the facts, including how 100,000 tons of concrete could have been vaporized into dust blown horizontally a couple hundred feet, a feat demanding tremendous explosive energy. Demolition also explains why government officials hastily prevented forensic examination of the debris, especially the steel, suggesting a cover-up.

Remember the firemen who heard explosions when they were inside the building? I bet they weren't questioned by the Commission.

And just TRY to get ANY critical and/or detailed information on 9-11... You won't be the first.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/aviation.htm


[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Sorry but where are the NTSB experts questioning this? Do you have any experience with forensics and plane crashes? I bet you the people that make these theories don't.[/QUOTE]

A plane is mostly lightweight aluminum and hollow....

*shrugs*

Honestly, I'm torn.




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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]A plane is mostly lightweight aluminum and hollow....[/QUOTE]

You are right... With the exception of the engines...

Those heavy suckers should have made their own holes.

http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/phase-trans/2001/slides.IB/engine.truck.jpg

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Should have, but according to whom. We all have perceptions of what things "should" be like. But throughout the world things often happen that seem to defy logic. People expect that bullets bounce off walls when they ricochet, but they actually "follow" the wall most of the time. RPG rockets, unlike bullets, actually turn INTO crosswinds, instead of being blown away.[/QUOTE]

Should - With a HIGH probability.

It is quite obvious that you choose to believe most of ZOG's account for 9-11. As for myself and many other pilots with significant airtime (yes I hold a pilot rating) we remain very skeptical.

Suit yourself.

Just snagged a copy from a seller on Ebay. There's other copies for sale just a bit more expensive.

Over at Rense, John Kaminsky is adding it to his already-bulging brief against the government for 911.

His recommentations:

To order the film, go to http://www.thepowerhour.com/

To see clips of the missile firing, check out http://letsroll911.org/

I'll excerpt the controversial parts about the missile from letsroll911.org but it seems to be legit.

Kaminski's article about 911 in Plane Site:

http://www.rense.com/general56/lied.htm

Parts:

Now We Know For Sure
They Lied About 911

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
8-19-4

I challenge anyone to watch the new "911 In Plane Site" video and still believe the government's story that a jet airliner full of passengers hit the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. It simply can't be done. I'll bet anyone any amount of anything that they just can't do it.

Utilizing footage from TV networks - often stuff that was shown only one time and never seen again - the Power Hour radio show's Dave Von Kleist methodically provides proof positive that the government lied about what happened in Washington on that fateful day, an event that was the culmination of the greatest sneak attack in American history....

This is the film that does it. And this is a development in the 9/11 story that no one in America or the world can afford to ignore.

Indictments and arrests should begin immediately based on this film alone. Top members of the government lied about what happened. This is a statement that can no longer be challenged as false. It is now up to American law enforcement officials to act in this matter, or the American people will realize our leaders are allowed the break the law, and the laws no longer apply to them.

And the Pentagon revelation is only the start of this remarkable film, a 70-minute documentary that delves into only four major aspects of Sept. 11.

Having viewed this film with two relatives who did believe the government's story prior to viewing, I interpreted the ashen looks on their faces as a valid testament to the movie's power. Before seeing it, they basically believed what they'd heard on TV about what happened on 9/11. Afterwards, they both told me that they no longer did....

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The most controversial aspect of the film, one which led me and other potential reviewers to express reservations about the film before we'd actually seen it, was the inclusion of material from Phil Jayhan's letsroll911.org website, the most astounding aspect of which is footage that shows both jetliners appearing to fire missiles at the towers in the instant before impact.

It simply sounded too preposterous. It sounded as untenable as the hologram theory. Many of us worried it was deliberate disinformation, designed to destroy the 9/11 skeptics movement.

You need to see it. Four different people with four different cameras recorded it. I am no photographic expert. I can't tell you when a film has been tampered with or when it hasn't. I can only tell you what I saw. It looks real, and the patient pacing of Von Kleist's explanation will make it most difficult for you to deny what you are seeing.

But my initial fear that the 9/11 truth movement could be hurt by this footage was completely erased after I saw the Pentagon segment, because if people watch that, they will have no alternative but to realize that their leaders are criminals - liars, traitors and mass murderers - who have covered up the truth about 9/11 because they were involved in it. ...

...I talked with Phil Jayhan last night. I told him that I was not a film expert, but that the missile footage looked real to me. And I congratulated him on the tireless outreach he's done on this project. More than any other 9/11 researcher, he has contacted more people and produced more results than anybody else.

We had argued about this issue in the past. I worried if the missile footage were proven to false or tampered with, the whole movement could be hurt.

I no longer believe that the missile footage - should it somehow be proven false - can hurt the 9/11 skeptics movement, in large part because the Pentagon footage was so masterfully presented that no one in their right mind can deny that no hijacked airliner hit the Pentagon....

I have previously advocated that the time the towers took to fall was the smoking gun of 9/11, because that indicated the WTC buildings had been demolished, since they fell at the same speed as debris off to the side. Jayhan responded that Twin Tower demolition could one day be explained away as a way to prevent more deaths than actually happened. I had to agree the perps could do that, if their demolition scheme were ever to be revealed to the public.

But, Jayhan stressed, there can be no alternative reason for a plane firing missiles at the towers just before impact.

See the film. Make your own decision.

I suspect 9/11 may be intentional, but the whole notion that Al Qaeda is a ZOG production, and that somehow the Muslims don't really despise us (although Israeli policy is partly to blame) is absurd. Ridiculous.


Before someone opens their trap, I'm saying "us" in the geographical sense for convenience, not genetically. Chill.


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I got within a couple hundred yards of an F-100 Fokker aircraft that crashed and burned in the Nevada desert about ten years ago. That particular aircraft has a seating capacity of approximately 100. From my vantage point I was struck by the number of passenger seats that were recognizable in the debris. Some were seat backs, some were seat bottoms and some were entire seats almost completely intact.

A 757 contains approximately 250 passenger seats, plus or minus a few depending on the model.

I don't recall seeing even one seat or seat component pictured in the debris remaining after the Pentagon "plane crash." I can't claim to have seen all the crash site pictures of course so maybe there are pictures I haven't come across that do show seats and seat components at the site. If there aren't any such pictures though I find it difficult to believe that 250+/- fireproofed passenger seats and seat frames in that aircraft were completely vaporized upon impact. The interior cabin components of most aircraft are some of the sturdiest assemblies, fireproofed and firmly mounted in place since they are required to offer the most protection to humans in a crash and/or fire. The 757 that allegedly hit the Pentagon was said to be traveling at a relatively low speed and crashed from a relatively low altitude as I remember. Completely demolishing every last seat and seat component in an aircraft that size would be very tough to accomplish even if the plane had been in a full power dive from 60,000 feet.

J. P. Slowmindski, the only consipiracy theory is the official version of events. Get that through your thick skull.

Why do you cling to the media's fairy tale house of cards? What is it in your being that makes you refuse to accept the obvious? Do you seriously put that kind of trust in the news outlets and the government?

It's not our duty to provide you with proof of what happened, even though we have provided INDISPUTABLE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE that no Boeing 767 hit the Pentagon. It is your responsibility to be a big boy and swallow the pride you have in your beliefs.

No amount of belief makes something a fact. But you, like countless millions, have the blinders firmly in place. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, America no evil.

Anyway, if you're interested in the truth and can handle it, I'll refer you to the experts. The only wackos are those who swallow the big lie that is the ovoe.

http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wtc.htm

Occam's razor quickly cuts the government's conspiracy theory away to nothing. The FBI said within day of 9-11 that the IDs of the alleged 19 were sophisticated fakes. Six of the alleged 19 are alive today. ZOG media ignores their statements that their passports were stolen.
If it somehow comforts you to swallow the official government whopper then go ahead. Most readers here cannot achieve that level of blind trust. You will get few but the usual trolls to agree with you.
The case for 9-11 being an orchestrated "Pearl Harbor" by Zionists for Israel is far more than a few photos. Have you read none of the links and articles here?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

It seems incredible to me that you think as you do and are still a member of this forum.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]You've submitted a few random photos without time stamps or any credible source stating when they were taken and by whom. Do you really think you are going to see the body of a plane(like in that one overhead picture) lying mostly intact after it went through a building at high speed? Planes crash all the time, but it is a bit different when they go through concrete, glass, and steel.

Occam's razor says that the 19 hijackers did it.[/QUOTE]

A small remotely controlled fighter plane. As you can see on the photo before it hit the Pentagon.

J.P.; the pentagon has got to be one of the places in this country with the best video surveillance. Where is all the footage of a 767 hitting the building? You keep demanding proof. YOU show US proof! The hole in the wall pre-collapse is far too small to even consider a 767 as the source.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Is it possible that there is footage in exisistence that you just never saw? Did you ever stand there and look at the "hole", compare it to a 767 fuselage?[/QUOTE]

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[size=3]The White male collective mind is subconsciously projecting his perceived inadequate penis size into this radical "conspiracy theory". The White male is deluded into feelings of rage and jealousy over the size of the fuselage (phallus), and the size of the "hole" in the pentagon, masking his true feelings for the desire to wield a penis in similar size and proportion to that of his African-American counterparts.

We should really think about getting your ZOG appointed, Jew Psychiatrist to work on this theory right away.[/size]

http://www.drleons.com/freud/freud001.gif

[size=5][color=green]"Sometimes a cigar is just a..."[/size][/color]

http://64.78.14.108/th/6415.jpg

http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/acm86c1.gif

ZOG conspiracy to cement Israel/US relations and justify a "war on terror", plain and simple, ya dumb polack.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Are you an expert in Tomahawk cruise missiles? Why was there no missile contrail? What ship or plane launched it? Does the damage match the yield of a Tomahawk? You other friend there says its a remote control fighter plane. Could he provide a link to a defense contractor or similar company that sells remote control devices for fighter planes? And why a fighter plane in the first place, the missile would be cheaper.

Sounds like you guys don't have a lot of answers.[/QUOTE]

Here's many links....

ILS and Global Hawk
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=Instrument+Landing+Systems+%2B+Global+hawk&spell=1

Global Hawk and 9-11
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22Global+hawk%22+9-11&btnG=Search

Homerun and 9-11
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=home+run+9-11&spell=1

Enjoy!

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/10.jpg

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/9.jpg

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[size=3]The White male collective mind is subconsciously projecting his perceived inadequate penis size into this radical "conspiracy theory". The White male is deluded into feelings of rage and jealousy over the size of the fuselage (phallus), and the size of the "hole" in the pentagon, masking his true feelings for the desire to wield a penis in similar size and proportion to that of his African-American counterparts.[/size]

http://www.drleons.com/freud/freud001.gif

[size=5][color=green]"Sometimes a cigar is just a..."[/size][/color]

http://64.78.14.108/th/6415.jpg

I wonder if J.P. is as un-skeptical toward the WTC 7 collapse.

WTC7.net (http://www.wtc7.net/) | Collapse Videos (http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html)

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Well some people are saying its a missle. Why would they do that when they could use the remote control system on a passenger plane so it would look real? If "they" are so powerful, why do they make these little "slip-ups"? And why would "ZOG" cripple the Pentagon, the nerve center of the US military? Why would they destroy the WTC, an important financial target? Wouldn't there be a safer target?

Also, you don't provide a time frame on when that big picture was taken. I doubt you'd find much of the wings, that's where the fuel is stored.[/QUOTE]

I got two questions for you, ye of little truth.

1) Why do you support the government when all they ever did for you was take your money?

and

2) How the hell did you get through the 3rd grade?

[QUOTE=JB112]I wonder if J.P. is as un-skeptical toward the WTC 7 collapse.

WTC7.net (http://www.wtc7.net/) | Collapse Videos (http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html)[/QUOTE]

That one went down without a single thing even hitting it. Thanks for that link.

Them Muslims must be into some serious force powers, eh? Darth Vader himself couldn't pull something like that off.

Un-skeptical? That's the understatement of the year.

Here's the WTC 7 collapse in gif.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]This kind of conspiracy nonsense de-legitimizes White Nationalism. You still haven't even come up with a reason why the omnipotent ZOG would want to cripple its military nerve center. [/QUOTE]

This kind of conspiracy nonsense isn't white nationalism at all - you'll find the same nonsense arguments on Indymedia and other far left sites.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]How is it "supporting the government" to demand that conspiracy theorists present verifiable evidence(date and times for their pictures and footage) to support their ideas? [/QUOTE]

Has the government provided any verifiable evidence that Bin Laden did it? No, so why do you demand that conspiracy theorists provide evidence when the government has provided none?

BTW a good film to watch is Painful Deceptions - an analysis of the 911 attack, IMO it’s much better than 911 in plane site.

Painful Deceptions (http://www.erichufschmid.net/ThePainfulDeceptionsVideo.html)

WTC: Stranger Than Fiction (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm)

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Occam's razor says that the 19 hijackers did it.[/QUOTE]
Yea, even that one who's passport they found in the WTC rubble... :rolleyes: with the Korans and flight manuals and fuel calculators in their cars.

J.P., please read this before commenting further,

STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm)

And what happend to the plane's black boxes? Destroyed.. all 8 of them, so says the govt. But the passport survived!

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]How is it "supporting the government" to demand that conspiracy theorists present verifiable evidence(date and times for their pictures and footage) to support their ideas?

[color=blue]Maybe supporting is the wrong word. How about 'believing'. And stop it with the date and time shit. I've shown you about 7 photos of the grounds on the very day or day after. If you need date and time stamps get photoshop and add them in moron.[/color]

This kind of conspiracy nonsense de-legitimizes White Nationalism.

[color=blue]The truth is not a conspiracy Slowmindski. The conspiracy is the media and gubmint coverup of the truth. I know, your skull is thick so it'll take a while to get through. 9-11 is an excellent starting point to convince the lemmings like you that the system they live under is evil and corrupt.[/color]

You still haven't even come up with a reason why the omnipotent ZOG would want to cripple its military nerve center.

[color=blue]Knocking out a few office rooms in the Pentagon didn't cripple anything, numbnuts. It was just a show, a production.[/color]

And how could they be smart enough to use a remote control jet fighter and cover it up as a terrorist attack, but still leave what you guys consider to be glaring evidence of a coverup.

[color=blue]ZOG has little regard for the intelligence of people like you who buy the lie hook line and sinker. People are mindless drones who will believe anything the TV tells them. Things like 'Britney Spears is talented and pretty' or 'Brad and Jennifer are the world's sexiest couple' or '19 Arab hijackers who hate our freedom pulled off the stuff we showed you on TV-see we have pictures and everything'. Nothing about 9-11 was smart and that's why there is a mountain of evidence that easily disproves the ovoe, DUH![/color]


To answer your other question, I skipped second grade in order to go to third. That's probably a concept you are utterly unfamiliar with.

[color=blue]Yeah, and that's probably as far as you got.[/color]

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How do you explain the WTC 7 footage? Building just collapsing because dead force wielding Arabs remains are in the area?

Explain to us how WTC 7 just collapsed in 6.5 seconds for no reason whatsoever? Stop asking me questions and explain the pictures, shit for brains.

[QUOTE=Bragi]How do you explain the WTC 7 footage? Building just collapsing because dead force wielding Arabs remains are in the area?

Explain to us how WTC 7 just collapsed in 6.5 seconds for no reason whatsoever? Stop asking me questions and explain the pictures, shit for brains.[/QUOTE]
Jim could answer these questions in their entirety at the same time sounding convincing

I remember the day of 911 the media reported a truck bomb blew up at the Pentagon. There were also reports of people hearing bombs exploding in the WTC. Of course the media didn't repeat any of these claims once the official story had been supplied by the govt., just as few people who weren't watching as it happened ever got to see the WTC 7 collapse. I was lucky to have been watching the events of 911 from start to finish, and so witnessed the collapse of tower 7, but with all of the hysteria and excitement of the day didn't think much of it at all and in fact forget about it until, about six months later, I saw it on a documentary on the public access channel. I've never seen it even mentioned on TV since, and to this day most people have never seen the collapse of the WTC 7 and don't know about it... go ahead and try asking someone. If that doesn't show the frightening power of the media to cover up events then I don't know what does.

[QUOTE=JB112]Yea, even that one who's passport they found in the WTC rubble... :rolleyes: with the Korans and flight manuals and fuel calculators in their cars.

J.P., please read this before commenting further,

STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm)

And what happend to the plane's black boxes? Destroyed.. all 8 of them, so says the govt. But the passport survived![/QUOTE]

Excellent link JB112.

[QUOTE=JB112]I remember the day of 911 the media reported a ..........show the frightening power of the media to cover up events then I don't know what does.[/QUOTE]
Someone held back the amateur video of the 2nd tower getting balled. I suppose the owner of the video was negotiating a cieling price with CNN for the handover

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]I don't remember anybody saying the black boxes were destroyed. On at least one flight the black box was actually found.

There has been tons of evidence pointing to Al Qaeda doing this attack. They had been planning similar attacks for a long time. It's a pretty simple concept, borrowed from the Japanese.[/QUOTE]

Where is this tons of evidence? I'd really like to know.

Oh wait, you're going to refer me to jewish owned media corporations who broadcasted the evidence on the TV right?

Last I checked, the ONLY evidence for the 'Osama and his 19 iron willed suicidal zealots tale' was on TV and in the national media at large.

Therefore. anyone who supports the ovoe is either a retarded lemming, a retarded lemming, or a willfully ignorant retarded lemming.

Live footage of an airliner plowing into a skyscraper does not constitute tons of evidence. Nor does the body mass of a hundred million retarded lemmings who believe whatever the plastic jew tells them to believe.

Here's your tons of evidence, Billy Budd.

[size=7]http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wtc.htm[/size]

No no wait... remember, Bin Laden phoned his Mama on 9/10 and told her he'd not be around for a while because "something big was imminent." That was the story floated by the gov't on 9/12 as the basis for Bin Laden's guilt. Of course, they never produced a recording of this phone call and eventually stopped talking about it. Anyone else remember that? Of course, there was the video (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html) the Pentagon released, claimed to have been found in Afghanistan, featuring a chunky, mush-faced Bin Laden look-alike and a sound quality that was more or less inaudible. Since then we've only had the pleasure of Bin Laden's audio tapes, who's veracity no one in the government or media seems to question... Guess the old fellah lost his camcorder. So then.. aside from the Bin Laden video, what is the evidence against him?

Keep in mind that he adamantly denied any involvement in the attacks in real videos released directly after 911. That's when the Bush gov't ordered the media to stop airing them because they could contain 'secret messages' to communicate with terrorists in the United States. Ahah.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]There wasn't even a bomb in the building, it must have been a satellite microwave beam.[/QUOTE]
Obviously J.P. gets very uncomfortable whenever the question of a conspiracy comes up. That's the exact effect the media aim for when they put forward the ridiculous image of the "conspiracy theorist" we are all so familiar with. It's to create a conditioned avoidance reflex. Note his reference to a "satellite microwave beem." I get the feeling that J.P. believes the official Israeli government version of the USS Liberty attack. After all, the U.S. government investigated it and came to the same conclusions.. only wacky conspiracy theorists could believe otherwise.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]So anything that comes from the media is obviously a lie? So perhaps we don't even really HAVE soldiers in Iraq right now!! Maybe we never went into Afghanistan. Apparently if you can find some guy on the internet who has made a video about something, there must be some truth to it. The body of evidence comes from intelligence gathered over the past two decades or so.

Also, it is not uncommon for news stories to be reported incorrectly initially. The first WTC bombing was initially blamed on Serbs. Obviously this points to a ZOG plot to frame the Serbs but then they decided that it would be better to frame the Arabs. There wasn't even a bomb in the building, it must have been a satellite microwave beam.[/QUOTE]

What the fuck are you jabbering about? You failed to address any relevant points or to answer the plain and simple question as to what made WTC 7 collapse like a house of cards for no reason at all. Whattsamatta, cat got your tongue?

The media lies about anything it wants to when it serves their purpose. Kind of like the jews who operate the media. Some of it's lies are obvious to me but you on the other hand are unable to see the obvious even when I provide you with a link to one of internet's best anti-gov sites.

The internet is uncontrolled and free, the TV is controlled and therefore not free. Maybe you should head over to Censorfront to get a little taste of what control and censorship are all about.

I don't even know what you're talking about in the second paragraph. Again, let's stay on the subject and not waltz off into la la land when faced with disturbing and ugly facts. Come on, the truth is waiting for you. Don't dance around it like a kid who has to pee. ZOG would kill you without batting an eyelid just like it did 3,000 insignificants, if doing so served any purpose. Blaming Arabs for some televised dirty deed served many purposes---if you can't see that that's your problem.

[size=5]YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!![/size]
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J.P. Slovjanski
You have no provided such evidence to support these 9-11 claims.It may not be proof but it sure raises doubts. There are too many questions surrounding 911 to believe the "official" version.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Maybe there can be "doubts", but there needs to be evidence when it comes to advancing an alternate theory.[/QUOTE]

Once again, I offer you this link. Click on it and you will be taken to a website with thousands of other links which offer all the evidence you could ever want. Go for it, you've gotten nothing to lose except your stupidity.

[size=5]http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wtc.htm[/size]

Don't be afraid, it won't bite. It's just the truth.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Maybe there can be "doubts", but there needs to be evidence when it comes to advancing an alternate theory.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see some evidence that backs up the official theory.

There has been tons of evidence pointing to Al Qaeda doing this attack.

I'd like to see this evidence as well, have you got any links?

Who is Al Qaeda (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda) anyway?

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I don't think whatreallyhappened.com is a legitimate news source.[/QUOTE]

[size=4]Define "legitimate"...

You mean the same people that taught us about the JFK "Magic Bullet"???

You mean the [size=6]Jew Owned Media???[/size] (http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/)[/size]

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Read into the Bojinka plot(Philipines) and the Kosovo Liberation Army's Al Qaeda connections. [/QUOTE]

The CIA also had links with Al Qaeda, your point is?

I don't think whatreallyhappened.com is a legitimate news source.

If you don't like whatreallyhappened.com then perhaps the BBC is a better source for you?

fake al-Qaeda terrorist cell (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2550513.stm)

I'm still waiting for some verifiable evidence off you, if it's so easy to find and there really is tonnes of it why don't you post some of it up and prove me wrong?

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Maybe there can be "doubts", but there needs to be evidence when it comes to advancing an alternate theory.[/QUOTE]
"Alternate theory" suggests that your view is a theory. The original theory that is.
What evidence backs up your view or what compels you to believe the official version so ardently?

This is always what happens when the truth meets lies. In JP's case he's not lying. He's just been fooled and deluded. This is actually worse than a mere liar. JP thinks America is apple pie, baseball, and good old Uncle Sam. So he's inclined to believe that the "American government" simply could not do such a thing to it's "citizens" to use as a justification for a "War on Terror".

So he offers assertions. Assertions are based on opinion or hivemind-speak. The liar/fool does not have proof so he asserts, denies, questions and claims what he thinks rather than stating facts or providing evidence, which the truth-teller is always happy to do, as I and others here have.

There's no reasoning with him. Their minds are media-trained, pop culture-shaped, and government-owned.

Anti-Muslim racism via Christianity, patriotism, the love of war, jingoism, and total media manipulation by the jews: this is the underpinning of ZOG's 9-11 production and the ensuing war that is soon to expand to Iran and Syria and possibly WWIII.

"I can see only one reason to cling to the belief that AA 77 hit the Pentagon. The unshakable faith that the government would not — could not — lie to us. A faith so strong that the laws of physics and motion suspend themselves in order to maintain it. — Summary"

Last week, USA Today reported a joint effort between Qualcomm and American Airlines' to allow passengers to make cellphone calls from aircraft in flight. According to the story, the satellite-based system employs a "Pico cell" to act as a small cellular tower.

"It worked great," gushed Monte Ford, American Airline's chief information officer. "I called the office. I called my wife. I called a friend in Paris. They all heard me great, and I could hear them loud and clear."

Before this new "Pico cell," it was nigh on impossible to make a call from a passenger aircraft in flight. Connection is impossible at altitudes over 8000 feet or speeds in excess of 230 mph.

Yet despite this, passengers Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham, Jeremy Glick and Edward Felt all managed to place calls from Flight 93 on the morning of September 11. Peter Hanson, en route to Disneyland with his wife and daughter, phoned his dad from Flight 175. Madeline Amy Sweeney, a flight attendant, made a very dramatic call from Flight 11 as it sped to the North Tower. Barbara Olson made two calls, collect, to her husband at his government office from Flight 77 as it made its way to the Pentagon.

Each call was initially reported as coming from a cellphone. Later, when skepticism reared its ugly head and the Grassy Knollers arrived, the narrative became fuzzy; it was suggested that $10-a-minute Airfones were involved. Olson was an easy candidate for Airfone (one doesn't call collect from a cell), but as the stories developed, Olson—and Felt—were said to have called from inside locked lavatories. No Airfone there.

In the very near future, numerous technological miracles and wonders will rise up out of the ashes of that terrible day, much the way the space program supposedly gave us Tang and Velcro. Satam Al-Suqami's indestructible passport, for one, is currently under the microscope in the Reverse Engineering Department at Area 51. My old passport was falling apart when I finally replaced it last year, just from spending 10 years in my pocket. His survived the destruction of the World Trade Center. I want one of those.

Likewise, professional bowlers could benefit from inquiries into whatever physical force brought about the collapse of WTC 7. And as a frequent flyer who finds long-term parking difficult and expensive, I'd like to know by what mechanism Mohammed Atta got to Portland, ME, where he was videotaped boarding a flight to Logan Airport in Boston. His rental car was found at Logan.

And last but not least, every suburban homeowner will want the miraculous PentaGrass. Whatever that lawn at the Pentagon is made out of, it sure is amazing stuff—it resists and repels fire, explosion, skid marks, aircraft debris, jet fuel, luggage and body parts. Shit from your neighbor's dog won't stand a chance!

Who would've thought there'd be a silver lining even in the debris cloud made that Tuesday morning?

Miracles and Wonders of 9/11 (http://www.nypress.com/17/30/news%26columns/AlanCabal.cfm)

I do hope this is from a legitimate source. :rolleyes:

[color=black][QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]I am not saying that the official version is entirely right, only that planes piloted by Islamic fanatics hit the Pentagon and WTC.[/QUOTE][/color]



[color=black]Do you really believe that the government knew absolutely nothing about this but then wrapped it all up in the first 48 hours of the 911 incident?[/color]



[color=black]Could you believe that the Islamic fanatics were allowed to complete their mission? [/color]

With logic like yours JP, all I can do is throw my hands up.

May you live a long happy life of delusions and ignorance.

Well, I'm surprised how relatively civil this has stayed. I am enjoying this debate, as I am undediced myself in the matter.



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That is called a false memory. After people are bombarded with false media information, they tend to believe that false information instead of what they really saw.

It's quite easy to implant false memories. People who had visited Disneyland were claiming that they saw Bugs Bunny there after they were shown an advertisement with Bugs Bunny in Disneyland.

It's very obvious that the official version can't be true because the government took all the filmed evidence and only released what was in accordance with the "offical facts."

I am sure the jew-controlled media is full of eyewitnesses who saw a huge passenger plane hit the Pentagon. Maybe you can open a thread about gaschambers where jews were gassed, there were millions of jewish eyewitnesses for that too.

I am stating the fact that people make up false memories if they are presented to them as truth.

These were people who witnessed the plane hit the building, ok? Are you saying that someone went to all of these people and said: "You saw a jet liner hit that building." ? How much was the bribe money to enduce an eyewitness testimonial? Most people will give an official testimony for $1,000 or less. That is nothing compared to the millions in hush money paid to surviving family members to silence their demands for immediate investigation. For some of those who lost loved ones, no price will keep them silent.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]What proof do you have that bribes took place? As for family members, there has been attempts to keep them pacified. The WTC was built by mob-owned contractors(that's a FACT). The State and City of New York knew this but they didn't do anything about it. As usual, the mob contractors cut corners everywhere and made a killing- at the expense of safety. In the end, the WTC was a shoddy building, a disaster waiting to happen. The state, port authority, and city could possibly be held liable for the outcome.[/QUOTE]

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[size=3]The White male collective mind is subconsciously projecting his perceived inadequate penis size into this radical "conspiracy theory". The White male is deluded into feelings of rage and jealousy over the size of the fuselage (phallus), and the size of the "hole" in the pentagon, masking his true feelings for the desire to wield a penis in similar size and proportion to that of his African-American counterparts.

We should really think about getting your ZOG appointed, Jew Psychiatrist to work on this theory right away.[/size]

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[size=5][color=green]"Sometimes a cigar is just a..."[/size][/color]

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[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]There is a difference between seeing Bugs Bunny at Disneyland and seeing a GODDAMNDED PLANE HITTING A BUILDING! There are more eyewitnesses than this, I just didn't want to create a huge post.[/QUOTE]

You see, an image on TV is all the lemming needs to prove his entire case. It's ludicrous!

The power of the camera in the hands of corruption. Behold the power of the mass media as embodied in the mind of the lemming.

All evidence be damned, the TV tells the whole tale. Unbelievable.
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[quote=JP Nobrainski]These were people who witnessed the plane hit the building, ok? [/quote]

We all witnessed the plane hit the second tower you curmudgeon. It was caught on camera.

I also witnessed Gollum bite the one ring off Frodo's finger and then fall into a river of molten lava.

A plane hitting three buildings and then jewish controlled media interpreting the image does not constitute evidence. It's just a fantasy, a show, a production.

In a word: a conspiracy (of dunces).

Ten million or more bombs were dropped in WWII and tens of millions of white men lost their lives and the lives of the kids they would have had. 9-11 was just another show put on for a horde of retards like you.

Hundreds of Jap kamikazes attempted to crash their planes into US Navy ships. Few succeeded. Life is just one big war anyway.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]There is a difference between seeing Bugs Bunny at Disneyland and seeing a GODDAMNDED PLANE HITTING A BUILDING![/QUOTE]

How do you, or the eyewitnesses, know it wasn't some sort of missile that had been made to look like a plane?

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]"It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," [/QUOTE]

If it was a plane that hit the Pentagon then where is it? Is it hiding behind the parking ticket machine?

http://images.ibsys.com/2002/0307/1292623.jpg

And how can a plane that measures 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, only leave a 16 foot hole when it crashes?

Hunt the Boeing! (http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm)

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]These WERE EYEWITNESSES THAT SAW THE CRASH IN PERSON, NOT ON TV! God you're a moron.[/QUOTE]
People living in Washington I guess. Ever wonder who lives in D.C. anyway? Niggers and politicians. Think it was hard to get some one to say they saw a plane that wasn't there among the latter crowd? Not when saying they didn't would have cost them their job.

All passengers and crew ID'd through DNA. Even though the fire consumed all the aluminum of the plane, the DNA was still viable in every case. DNA is seriously degraded by heat.
Everyone knows Ron Reagan airport is just beyond the pentagon, on the path taken by "the plane". This could explain the plane witnesses. A dummy cover overflight. What is the line-of-sight around the pentagon? Who could actually see the impact?
And the witness saw flames coming from two windows. Adjacent windows? Just like the flames coming out of adjacent windows in the photos at Hunt the Boeing? Exactly what did he see?

Your government provided that picture to prove that a plane hit the Pentagon, not me. If you want to know why it has the wrong date I suggest you ask them, you might also like to ask them exactly where the plane is.

All I want to know is if a plane hit the pentagon then why was the original hole only 16 feet wide? If you can convince my how a 41 yard wide plane that weighs over a hundred tonnes can fit through a hole 16 feet wide, without leaving any debris on the ground outside, I'll admit that I'm wrong.

[color=black][font=Verdana][size=2]J.P. Slovjanski,[/size][/font][/color]

[size=1][color=black][font=Verdana]"Father Stephen McGraw had taken a wrong turn on his way to [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Arlington[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]National[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Cemetery[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] the morning of [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]September 11, 2001[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]. After taking the Pentagon exit onto [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Washington Boulevard[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana], Fr. McGraw found himself mired in traffic, stewing impatiently over being late for a planned graveside service. Suddenly the priest[/font][/color][/size][color=black][font=Verdana] heard a deafening roar as a large aircraft passed directly over the roof of his car. "It looked like a plane coming in for a landing … I mean, in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight," [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]recalled Fr. McGraw.[/font][/color]


[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]“It looked like a plane” he said. Why does he further explain what that looks like? Is it because the object had a similar appearance to a plane? [/color][/font][/color]

[color=black][font=Verdana]The priest[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] "looked out just as the plane clipped an overhead sign and then toppled a light pole,[/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]It toppled an overhead sign. Would it be absurd to assume that he is referring to a road sign here?[/color] [/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana]injuring a taxi driver a few feet away," recounts investigative author James Bamford in his new book A Pretext for War.[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] "A second later, American Flight 77 smashed into the gray concrete wall of the Pentagon. The jet hit with such force that it penetrated four of the five concentric rings of corridors and offices surrounding a gazebo [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]in the center court, long nicknamed Ground Zero."[/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]This quote is actually the author’s telling of the events. He inserts the official explanation as to what flew into the Pentagon, Flight 77. [/color][/font][/color]

[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]I would gather that this is what Bragi and others are explaining. Those eyewitnesses are giving their say and the reporters are filling in doubts with the official line.[/color][/font][/color]

[color=black][font=Verdana]"I saw it crash into the building," testifies the priest.[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] "There was an explosion and a loud noise, and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows.... I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows. [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]I remember hearing a gasp or scream from one of the other cars near me. Almost a collective gasp, it seemed."[/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]Odd how fire is seen billowing out of only 2 windows isn’t it? The WTC incident shows a massive amount of fire through numerous windows.[/color][/font][/color]

[color=black][font=Verdana]2.
Did you see that?" exclaimed Aydan Kizildrgli, a student from [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Turkey[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] who had also been snarled in traffic. Notes Bamford: "Traffic along the highway came immediately to a halt as people jumped out of their cars and began putting their cell phones to their ears. Stunned and dazed, Kizildrgli left his car on the road and began walking aimlessly for half an hour."
Also among the eyewitnesses were Dan Creed and[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] two colleagues from Oracle Software, [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]who, seated in a car near the Naval Annex[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana], watched in horrified wonder as the hijacked plane dived, leveled off and struck the Pentagon next door.[/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]Again this is a reporters retelling with the added “hijacked plane”. The “jetliner” dives and levels off to a height low enough to hit road signs and apparently for quite a distance from the Pentagon as it passes over streets. [/color][/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana]Telling his story to the [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Phoenix[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana], [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Arizona[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana], Ahwatukee Foothills News, Creed recalled the dreadful events[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]said Creed.[/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]He saw it flying overhead and saw that it was ‘nothing more than’ a guided missile at that point. If a reporter adds ‘nothing more than’ into that sentence it changes the whole interpretation. Why would he change the interpretation? Maybe the reporter knew the official version thus far and in order to make the eyewitness’ account make sense he clarifies the story to match his own version.[/color][/font][/color]

[color=black][font=Verdana]3. Messyan is the French journalist creditted with the[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] Pentagon scandal. [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]He claims that the[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] nose of a plane found by firemen in the wreckage is actually the nose of the missile that it the building. [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]He claims that airplane noses are fragile, unlike those of missiles. That's where his lack of expertise hangs him[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]. Missile nosecones are strong in some cases, but that is also where the warhead is.[/font][/color]



[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]Here you quote the “conspiracy angle”. Is this French journalist using his critical thinking skills? [/color][/font][/color]

[color=black][font=Verdana][color=blue]When a bomb squad investigates a bomb blast the first thing they look for are the bomb components. That is, the stuff surrounding the explosive material.[/color][/font][/color]

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NEW 9-11 FILM NOT WELCOME BY SOME

By: Devvy

August 15, 2004

NewsWithViews.com

Back in May, NWVs ran a news item on aspartame which caused a massive amount of mail to the news editor from individuals making the accusation that the facts presented in that piece were based on junk science by quack doctors. I believe these reactions were from people who immediately felt a great fear that because they probably have been consuming diet soft drinks and other products for decades containing aspartame, they could be the next Michael J. Fox. Because the subject matter is so serious, I felt compelled to do a two part follow up based on facts about both the doctors and the science. The rude e-mail ceased.

NWVs recently ran a news item on a new video titled: '911 in Plane Site'. There has been a fair amount of mail to NWVs charging this film is nothing but stupid conspiracy theories by people who have never even seen it. Please allow me to provide some additional information not covered in the news item. Besides owning a copy of this film, I also attended the screening of this new video and it was very disturbing.

One critic accused the producers of this film as having some sort of agenda to get Kerry elected. Another stated the producers of this film made it up, creating phony film. Mind you, none of these individuals have seen this video, they only read the news item. Some individuals simply shouted in their e-mail that it was all a bunch of "crap" by "right wing wackos." The usual attack the messenger, obfuscate the message.

This film is being distributed by Power Hour Productions, specifically Joyce Riley and Dave vonKleist. Both are talk show hosts. Joyce Riley has been one of the pioneers in exposing gulf war syndrome; she was a Captain in the Air Force Reserve. Joyce has fought for the truth and gone far and above the call of duty to help countless veterans throughout this country. She is truly one of those relentless seekers of truth; the research she has provided and still produces is always backed up by government documents. The producers of this video are making a complimentary copy available to anyone who lost a loved one on 9-11. There is no money being made off this project, it's just another important step in sorting out the truth from theories. I receive no compensation for recommending anyone's videos or books.

Because I personally know Joyce and her husband, I also know that all they have done over the years has been done with love and caring for our vets and not for money. They live very modestly in Missouri. They aren't making big bucks like GOP mouthpiece Shawn Hannity or Democrat cheer leader, Susan Estridge - both of whom revere their party's agenda over truth. There will always be attacks on individuals who speak out against government corruption and tyranny. If you're not taking flak, you're not touching a vital nerve. Ask me. After 14 years I know how the game is played and having been the recipient of a number of serious death threats, it hasn't been much fun.

Of course a plane went into the Pentagon - a big, commercial air liner. Why, everyone saw it! Let me point out something about 9-11, at least from where I was sitting that day. I turned on my TV at 6:05 am that morning. Other than food and rest room breaks, I did not leave my desk for close to 16 straight hours. Every station on Comcast in Sacramento - unprecedented - carried non stop coverage, commercial free on all channels. Not just ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, but FOX, MSNBC, CNBC, TNT, TBS, BBC and all international channels. Unless one was sitting in a television station with 10 or 20 monitors, it would have been impossible to catch every single minute of coverage that day.

What we all saw was in "real time." This film uses the media feed that day from FOX News, CNN and other conglomerates. It's the same news coverage we all saw in bits and pieces. What the producers of the film did was digitize all this media feed and drop it to slow and super slow motion. What you see is different when presented that way. Your eyes and your brain are able to see things you don't necessarily see in real time. The endless hours I watched live on my television was during a horrific event, an act of terror so horrible, it was difficult to comprehend everything at the time. I don't know about everyone else, but I just sat and watched as events unfolded, speechless with a box of kleenex. I wasn't looking at the live feeds in slow motion, but "real time."

After I saw the media feed from the Pentagon on this new video, it made me ill. My husband, a retired Army Colonel, was stationed there for four years; we both know that massive building. This new video raised a lot of questions, serious questions that most people will have once they see the film. After seeing the slow motion, frame by frame of both planes entering the two World Trade Center towers, it raised a lot of questions, serious questions that most people will have once they see the film. There is analysis on this video from an expert with paragraphs of credentials on the fuel load of Flight 77, how it should have burned and what you see - or rather, didn't see until the smoke clears.

Critics who sent NWVs screeching e-mail that this new film is just "right wing crap," without having seen it, demanding that no one question the events of 9-11, I would like to know who gives those folks the right to demand I not ask reasonable questions based on what I can see with my own eyes? I don't tell people how they should think and I highly resent other people insist that their fellow Americans should be damned for asking reasonable questions.

In the event some of these critics aren't up to speed, here's a news flash: The family members of those killed on September 11th also have unanswered questions - serious ones - about what happened that day. Should I demand that these families not question the government's accounting of what happened that day? Is this what it's come down to in America? Too many things don't add up. I don't know where the passengers might be and the narrator of this video doesn't either, but the question is hanging out there. Once you see the frame by frame, super slow motion from many camera angeles of those two planes entering the towers, you will wonder and ask the same question. I can tell you that intense efforts are being made to gather more documentation on this issue of the passengers. Because there are no answers, dedicated individuals are making extraordinary efforts to get answers - no matter what the facts bear out in the end. Only the truth is what's important; not who is right, but what is right.

My guess is the knee jerk reaction from some people isn't difficult to comprehend: If the official story has big holes in it and concrete proof begins to emerge that things are not what's been sold, Americans will go ballistic over the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction justification hasn't panned out, so President Bush used toppling the dictator, Saddam Hussein, as justification for invading Iraq. As with the situation in the Balkans, Afghanistan and Iraq are a bloody mess. People are concerned and have questions. Apparently, some Americans are offended by such independent thinking - especially during an election year.

There is much more to 9-11 than the average American knows or will even endeavor to find out. They don't want to know the truth if it conflicts with the official government story line or interferes with their preconceived notion of what they need to believe in order to keep their comfort zone and righteous beliefs intact. Sometimes I wonder how civilization ever progressed if every time someone came along with a different idea or belief, the rest of the people would try to silence them because they didn't like what they were hearing or seeing.

For those who choose to criticize something they have never seen, that's certainly their right. For those who are afraid to see for their own eyes a visual presentation that will raise questions about that day, that's certainly their right. For those who are interested in looking at what was in "plane sight," just presented in a different technical format, you can order this video by phone (800) 955-0116. As for me, I would like to see answers to the questions raised on this video.

Order: 911 In Plane Sight

© 2004 Devvy Kidd - All Rights Reserved

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]These WERE EYEWITNESSES THAT SAW THE CRASH IN PERSON, NOT ON TV! God you're a moron.[/QUOTe]

There have been tens of thousands of "eyewitnesses" of UFO's, bigfoots, Chupacabras, Jersey Devils, Nordic Aliens, ghosts, Lochness monsters, and all manner of things that go bump in the night.

"Eyewitnesses" can be found for just about anything, you cretin.

Still proves nothing nor does it make it true. Your case is built on the shifting sandy foundation of your ignorance.

[QUOTE=Bragi]There have been tens of thousands of "eyewitnesses" of UFO's, bigfoots, Chupacabras, Jersey Devils, Nordic Aliens, ghosts, Lochness monsters, and all manner of things that go bump in the night.

"Eyewitnesses" can be found for just about anything, you cretin.

Still proves nothing nor does it make it true. Your case is built on the shifting sandy foundation of your ignorance.[/QUOTE]

Bragi...

I would quit wasting your time with Mr. ShovelShitSki...

[size=6][color=green]Can you say...
http://members.lycos.co.uk/georgiy/retard.jpg
[size=9]???[/size][/size][/color]

Know WhaImSayin?

[font=fixedsys]Okay we're going to show Nobrainski a picture which was taken in the hours following the impact of the disappearing 200,000 pound Boeing 767-200.

http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wot/pelouse.jpg

Okay. This was obviously taken in the hours following since you can clearly see smoke and emergency workers and equipment. So please don't ask for a date time stamp, curmudgeon.

Can you seriously tell us that the damage you see was caused by a 100 ton commercial airliner travelling at a minimum of 250 miles an hour? Wouldn't the wings make even a slight dent? Glass windows still intact directly beside the opening? Not a single mark on the lawn--the Arab pilots who couldn't handle a single engine Cessna right on the money with a Boeing commercial airliner that takes years for a professional pilot to master? Notice the complete absence of one single piece of the Wonder Woman invisible jet? Atomized?

Eyewitness this for us Nobrainski, and let us see how the mind of the hardcore lemming operates. Deny the picture.

Need I say more? You are a fool who has been fooled. Why you defend the official version is a mystery to me. You're stupidity beggars description. [/font]

[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88]Bragi...

I would quit wasting your time with Mr. ShovelShitSki...
[size=5]Can you say...
http://members.lycos.co.uk/georgiy/retard.jpg
???[/size]

Know WhaImSayin?[/QUOTE]

LOL. I know I know. But it's good practice for bitchslapping lemmings. Call it a weakness.

Where are the wings of the Boeing?

Probably in the same place as Hitler's gaschambers.

I also forgot to mention that the entire population of DC is niggers and politicians, so that disproves any eyewitness accounts

Good point. :)

What makes that a credible site?

I haven't listed any sites.

What makes those sources credible?

What makes you think that a missile couldn't pentrate to the third ring?

I also forgot to mention that the entire population of DC is niggers and politicians, so that disproves any eyewitness accounts despite the fact that THEIR ACTUAL ETHNICITY IS DISCLOSED IN SOME OF THEM! Well what more can you expect from a Creator.
They would still most likely lose their cushy ZOG jobs if they insisted on bearing witness to anything that contradicted the official story.
You guys really are retards. Half your pictures don't even show all the damage, and half of your conspiracy theories contradict one another. Some of you say it was a missile(it would not have been so much damage in this case). You use the evidence of the hole and the claim that there is no wing damage(there was) to support this idea. But others on here are claiming that the Boeing was under remote control, but that is contradicted by those of you who claim there was no plain.
Perhaps this fireball will convine you that it was NOT A 747!

http://physics911.org/images/911/pentagon/d-fireball.jpg

Considerably smaller than this fireball:

http://www.tightcircle.com/gif/random/wtc.7.jpg

911 In Plane Site is NOT about conspiracy theories, it is about analyzing the empirical evidence of what occured that day.

What hit the Pentagon was probably about the size of an F-16.

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3

http://physics911.org/images/911/pentagon/e-pentagon_animation.gif

Most likely done via remote control:

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/concorde.html

Those 747 wings would have to take out those support structures:

http://physics911.org//images/911/pentagon/c-pentagon_montage.jpg

http://physics911.org/images/911/pentagon/ACSE_030127-12A.jpg

Otherwise they brake off and you'd see them in pictures.

Bragi showed pics with evidence of a relatively small hole prior to the wall collapsing.

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/images/avion-incrustation.jpg

WHERE DID THOSE FUCKING WINGS GO???? :mad:

Answer: There were no Boeing 757 wings.

It just had to be a rocket, fired by a remote controled fighterplane.

Why? I will come back to that.

Why are those columns bent outwards, not pushed in?

http://physics911.org/net/modules/myalbum/photos/12.jpg

[QUOTE=Palatine Creator]911 In Plane Site is NOT about conspiracy theories, it is about analyzing the empirical evidence of what occured that day.
[/QUOTE]

This is why I broke down and bought it.

I was actually fed up with the "conspiracy" sites but I want to see the damn videos. There are lots of people who have told me that they saw things broadcast on 911 that went down the memory hole afterwards.

Whether it proves the case or not I don't know. I do know that the whole rack of Patriot laws and overseas wars started with 911 and if the official story not true, we might lose a government.

In fact if the official story is false we'd better lose a government.

FranzJoseph and everyone, read STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm).

Not written by a conspiracy theorist, but by a white nationalist and personal friend. The best and most complete look at 911.

[QUOTE=JB112]FranzJoseph and everyone, read STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm).

Not written by a conspiracy theorist, but by a white nationalist and personal friend. The best and most complete look at 911.[/QUOTE]

You sure your friend isn't Palestinian?

From the site: "One of the two Israelis who died aboard the hijacked planes was Daniel Lewin - who was aboard the first plane to crash into the Twin Towers. The Ha‘aretz News Service of Israel revealed that Lewin, was a one-time officer in the Israeli Defense Forces elite Sayeret Matkal commando unit. Oddly enough, Lewin’s name is missing from CNN’s comprehensive September 11 Memorial website."

Oddly enough, it took me 30 seconds to find his name on CNN's site.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1359.html

It is encouraging and refreshing to see that white nationalists are wise to the evil deeds ZOG is up to in it's mission petrify and mystify the masses and otherwise create the NWO. Great photos and lots of common sense around here.

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/486.gif

As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior; the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire. Nonetheless, damage to the building caused by the plane's wings is plainly visible in photographs, such as the one below (note the blackened sections on both sides of the impact site): .
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[size=6]Folding James Bond Wings??????

Now, THAT'S a whacked out "Theory"!!!

LMAO!!!

the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact

Who's speculating now???

FUCK YOU J[size=1]EW[/size].P.![/size]

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]1. Sources.

2. What makes ANY of your sites credible? Especially when they lie about how much damage was done, and only show pictures that support their claims.[/QUOTE]

Hey fucktard, ALL the photos support our claims. There would have to be a wrecked Boeing 767 in the photos to support any other position.

There is no such photo or photos in existence. Therefore, ALL photos support our claims.

And exactly how does a photo lie, you ignorant cretin?

[QUOTE=JB112]FranzJoseph and everyone, read STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm).[/QUOTE]

Yes!

At least we won't have to wait 30 years for a Michael Collins Piper like the JFK case did. The Israeli connection is already coming out. Good.

http://www.canoe-suwannee.com/5Pentagon15.jpg

How did Wonder Woman's invisible jet make an extreme low level approach without toppling the numerous light poles seen in the foreground?

http://www.canoe-suwannee.com/Towers_Burn2.jpg

As you recall, the wings left their mark on the WTC towers, but left no mark on the Pentagon whatsoever. They "folded into the fuselage on impact" :rolleyes:

http://www.canoe-suwannee.com/Pentagon3.jpg

[b]Muslim freedom fighters have the power to Atomize modern commercial airliners, or cause the earth to swallow them whole, apparently.

http://www.canoe-suwannee.com/9Pentagon_Workers_Rest.jpg

The emergency workers must have been wondering where the big ol' jet airliner went? Afterall there were eyewitnesses and jewmedia said it was a jet.

Is the guy that posted those pics is a MEGA LEMMING!

http://www.canoe-suwannee.com/attack3b.htm

I doubt there was any manipulation.

What happened on September 11th was very likely something close to this (there are variations, as noted below):

1. Three planes had been made ready by U.S. military personnel, capable of being controlled remotely, with no-one on board:

* A military jet either loaded with high explosives or carrying missiles or both (call this "Pseudo Flight 11").
* A Boeing 767, painted up to look like a United Airlines jet (call this "Pseudo Flight 175").
* A small plane (or perhaps some kind of missile) around which was constructed a shell so that from a distance it appeared to be a Boeing 757, this being designed so that the shell could be destroyed completely by means of explosives (call this "Pseudo Flight 77").

In addition two or three cruise missiles are needed, such as the AGM-86C cruise missile capable of being fired from a B-52 and of flying to its target under GPS-guidance (and able upon impact to generate heat of over 2,000°C).

2. Early on the morning of September 11th the four American Airlines and United Airlines jet airliners take off:

* AA Flight 11, a Boeing 767, leaves Logan Airport, Boston, at 7:59 a.m. headed for Los Angeles, with between 76 and 81 passengers (about 39% of capacity) and 11 crew members aboard. (This is the jet which, according to the official story, hit the North Tower.)
* AA Flight 77, a Boeing 757, takes off from Dulles Airport in northern Virginia at 8:10 a.m bound for Los Angeles, with between 50 and 58 passengers (about 27% of capacity) and six crew members aboard. (This is the jet which allegedly hit the Pentagon.)
* UA Flight 175, a Boeing 767, departs from Logan Airport, Boston, at 8:13 a.m. for Los Angeles with between 47 and 56 passengers (about 26% of capacity) and nine crew members aboard. (This is the jet which allegedly hit the South Tower.)
* UA Flight 93, a Boeing 757, scheduled to leave Newark Airport at 8:01 a.m. for San Francisco, is late and does not depart until 8:41 a.m., taking off with between 26 and 38 passengers (about 16% of capacity) and seven crew members on board. (This is the jet which crashed in Pennsylvania.)

3. Pseudo Flights 11 and 175 take off from some military base, flying under remote control (there is no-one onboard at the controls), and fly so as to intercept the flight paths of AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175.

4. A half-hour or so after taking off the pilots of the four civilian airliners are informed by some means of a real or potential terrorist attack and that they are to shut down their transponders and land their planes at one military base or another in some north-eastern U.S. state (directions to the base are given). The pilots obey this order and change course accordingly.

5. Shortly after the real Flights 11 and 175 cease transmitting their transponder signals the pseudo Flights 11 and 175 begin to transmit the same signals. They fly toward New York and, if they are visible on the air traffic controllers' screens, they appear to be AA 11 and UA 175, now flying toward Manhattan.

6. Pseudo Flight 11, under remote control, approaches the North Tower at 8:45 a.m., fires missiles into it then crashes into it, detonating explosives already planted in the building. (George W. Bush watches the impact on a private transmission to the TV in his limousine while travelling to a school in Florida.)

7. Pseudo Flight 175 approaches Manhattan, also under remote control, and crashes into the South Tower at 9:03 a.m. Its controllers, not used to remotely controlling the 100+ tons of a Boeing 767, almost miss the tower, but manage to hit it toward one corner. Just before the plane hits the building an incendiary missile is fired to create a temperature within the building high enough to ensure ignition of the jet fuel which is about to be released by the impact. Most of the jet fuel passes through the corner of the tower and explodes in a huge fireball outside the building. (The approach of the Boeing 767 and the impact and the awesome fireball are recorded by many cameras for repeated viewing all around the world.)

8. After being advised of the second impact George W. Bush continues listening to children read a story about a pet goat for another quarter of an hour, then finally announces to the nation that he has made some phone calls but fails to order defensive action by ordering U.S. Air Force jets from bases near Washington to scramble to intercept the other two (allegedly hijacked) planes still in the air. No other Air Force officer orders jets to intercept the planes (despite this being standard practice whenever a commercial airliner strays from its flight path). Interceptors are finally scrambled an hour after the first of the commercial jets has gone off course and 45 minutes after the impact at the North Tower.

9. By sometime around 9:15 a.m. all four AA and UA jets have landed at the military base to which they were directed. The 199 (later listed) passengers and crew from AA Flight 77, AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175 are herded onto UA Flight 93, where they join the 33 (later listed) passengers and crew, for a total of 232 people. Explosives are loaded on board.

10. Pseudo Flight 77, under remote control, flies at high speed toward Washington D.C., performs a spiral descent at high speed to near ground level, and (at about 9:30 a.m.) looking to observers like a Boeing 757, makes a horizontal approach to the Pentagon, knocking over several lamp posts on the way. Just before impact it is completely destroyed by onboard explosives, producing the minor amount of debris later observed on the Pentagon lawn.

11. Timed to coincide with this event, two or three high-speed cruise missiles arrive from slightly different directions (travelling so fast as to be mostly unnoticed by witnesses, whose attention is focused on Pseudo Flight 77) and penetrate the outer wall of the Pentagon, producing three exit holes in the 'C' ring of the building. One of the missiles fails to explode, causing less damage than intended. (The unexploded missile will later be carried away covered by a tarpaulin.)

12. Sometime around 9:45 a.m. UA Flight 93 takes off from the military base (either under remote control or under the control of a military pilot unaware of his fate) and flies toward Washington in a fake "terrorist attack".

13. The South Tower collapses (at 9:59 a.m.) in a controlled demolition, 56 minutes after impact.

14. Either explosives on board UA Flight 93 are detonated, or the jet is blown apart by a missile fired by a U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter jet, over Pennsylvania (at 10:06 a.m., almost an hour and a half after it took off from Newark Airport).

Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away (from the crash site) in a residential community [Indian Lake] where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area [this was the F-16] and burning debris falling from the sky. — Reuters, Sept. 13, as quoted in Troubling Questions in Troubling Times

All passengers and crew from all four "hijacked" planes, perhaps or perhaps not including those 34 (later unlisted) passengers (including Mohammad Atta) who are part of the operation, are in this way eliminated.

15. The North Tower collapses (at 10:29 a.m.) also in a controlled demolition, 1 hour and 44 minutes after impact.

16. The outer wall of the impact site at the Pentagon is caused to collapse (so that the small size of the hole in the wall produced by the missiles would no longer be visible).

17. Around midday the media whores begin to disseminate the story that this "terrorist attack" was masterminded by Usama bin Laden.

18. Around 5 p.m.the building known as WTC 7 collapses in a controlled demolition.

19. Misled by the White House and the mainstream media a shocked and outraged American public demands revenge against the perpetrators, whom they assume to be Arab Muslim fundamentalists.

20. George W. Bush announces his "War on Terrorism" and the Pentagon swings into action to implement its previously-prepared plans to bomb Afghanistan (into submission to U.S. oil interests).

Of course, some of the details of this account may turn out to be wrong, but overall it appears to be the most likely explanation of the events of September 11th and (in contrast to the official story) is consistent with all the evidence and is contradicted by none. Only a full and impartial investigation of what happened on September 11th will reveal the truth, but the Bush administration (fearing the consequences when the American people find out what actually happened and who was behind it) has done everything it can to prevent such an inquiry from taking place.

Do you have proof of ANY of this? It's amazing how ZOG can put this incredible scenario together, but leave just enough "evidence" for internet jockeys to figure it all out.
Anyone who disagrees with ZOG's official story is degraded as an "internet jockey". They only evidence that would convice some one like you is if the perpetrators of the crime admitted to what they did.
Why haven't Mossad agents whacked any of the people putting out this evidence?
Because they've fooled enough people so that the theat they pose is limited. Plus, it's a lot easier to engage in denial of service attacks against those websites that raise questions about 9/11.
Wouldn't be easier to just uses missiles and then claim that terrorists had put bombs inside the buildings? Or use truckbombs?
It's much easier to fool the masses with confusing misdirection.
There's also a big difference in flying a Predator drone by remote and flying a big passenger plane.
With the speed at which the plane that hit WTC was flying, it would have been only possible to manuever via remote control.

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wtc/radiocontrol.html

Where are the passengers from the flights? In the witness protection program?

Remember the Pennsylvania crash? They died in that one.

14. Either explosives on board UA Flight 93 are detonated, or the jet is blown apart by a missile fired by a U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter jet, over Pennsylvania (at 10:06 a.m., almost an hour and a half after it took off from Newark Airport).

Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away (from the crash site) in a residential community [Indian Lake] where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area [this was the F-16] and burning debris falling from the sky. — Reuters, Sept. 13, as quoted in Troubling Questions in Troubling Times

All passengers and crew from all four "hijacked" planes, perhaps or perhaps not including those 34 (later unlisted) passengers (including Mohammad Atta) who are part of the operation, are in this way eliminated.

JP, you're not following your own arrangement.
"Everyone should first post their theory that they support:"

JP...

I will quit the insults for this one post to hopefully drive this one point home.

Do you think the Russians KNEW what the events of the Bolshevik revolution were going to spawn?

Learn about the "False Flag"...

http://www.ussliberty.org
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22False+Flag%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[QUOTE=Bragi] 9. By sometime around 9:15 a.m. all four AA and UA jets have landed at the military base to which they were directed. The 199 (later listed) passengers and crew from AA Flight 77, AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175 are herded onto UA Flight 93, where they join the 33 (later listed) passengers and crew, for a total of 232 people. Explosives are loaded on board.
[/QUOTE]

How complex. Why not just mow them down then and there? Why risk someone making a call to say that they have changed planes and will be delayed. Since many of these travelling were on business, thats the first thing they would have done.

Try again.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]How complex. Why not just mow them down then and there? Why risk someone making a call to say that they have changed planes and will be delayed. Since many of these travelling were on business, thats the first thing they would have done.

Try again.[/QUOTE]
How do you know that none of them did make any calls? All relatives of survivors were paid off and any stories that did not support the official story were swiftly suppressed, so why not load them on to a plane?

As far as "mowing them down then and there", US soldiers aren't going to mow down fellow US citizens unless they're given a good enough reason. They aren't all heartless monsters.

Killing the passangers at the military base doesn't make sense at all. If they were planning to kill them all there, why did they keep the passenger toll on the four planes low enough to fit them all onto one? Why not just kill 800 passengers instead of 200?

[QUOTE=Palatine Creator]How do you know that none of them did make any calls? All relatives of survivors were paid off and any stories that did not support the official story were swiftly suppressed, so why not load them on to a plane?

As far as "mowing them down then and there", US soldiers aren't going to mow down fellow US citizens unless they're given a good enough reason. They aren't all heartless monsters. [/QUOTE]

Funny stuff - the thousands of people needed to made this scheme work were indeed "heartless monsters". And why not add a simpler element - all the soldiers were on special maneuvers that day and a truckload of Mossad agents was bussed in to do the killing. And you'd be surprised - a lot of white people would refuse the money and tell the truth. But then, for all I know you've never met a white person in your life.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]Funny stuff - the thousands of people needed to made this scheme work were indeed "heartless monsters". And why not add a simpler element - all the soldiers were on special maneuvers that day and a truckload of Mossad agents was bussed in to do the killing. And you'd be surprised - a lot of white people would refuse the money and tell the truth. But then, for all I know you've never met a white person in your life.[/QUOTE]
A lot ot white people did refuse the money and tell the truth, yet were silenced.

It's a lot easier to allow a big murderous scheme to take place than to kill people in cold blood. If fact, all US taxpayers are responsilbe for bankrolling all the murders committed at the hands of ZOG.

If they were just going to bus in Mossad agents to kill all the passengers, why not just fill the planes to capacity as they usually are? Why keep the passenger numbers so low?

You really don't think I've ever met any white people before? That's me in the avatar. Feel free to give me a phone call or visit me at my parents house in Palatine. I've never been afraid to release contact info on the net. The kikes already have me on their list.

Mike Mazzone Jr.
311 N. Mozart St.
Palatine, IL 60067
847-359-2663

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]If you are going to claim that family members were paid off or that they "victims" themselves are actually alive, then you must provide the proof. Simple critical thinking.[/QUOTE]
http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/29/news/q_money/
The fund has paid out nine claims totaling $9 million. The payments ranged from $300,000 to $3 million.
I never said the victims were alive. I said they died in the Pennsylvania crash.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]How complex. Why not just mow them down then and there? Why risk someone making a call to say that they have changed planes and will be delayed. Since many of these travelling were on business, thats the first thing they would have done.

Try again.[/QUOTE]

I will admit that some of the scenarios posted here seem a little far-fetched. What is not far-fetched is the FACT that NORAD did absolutly nothing while one hundred and thirteen minutes elapsed between the time American Airlines Flight 11 lost contact and was hijacked at 8:13:31 till the time United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania at 10:06:05.

One hour and fifty-three minutes went by and the USAF did not intercept any one of these four "hijacked" airlines and all over the most protected airspace in the world! To understand all the rules, regulation and procedures that make this totally impossible to happen, read:

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIR/air1401.html#14-1-2FAA
http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0506.html#5-6-4
http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1002.html#10-2-5
http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1001.html#10-1-1
http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch4/mil0405.html#Section%205
http://faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch7/mil0701.html#7-1-2

[QUOTE=Palatine Creator]A lot ot white people did refuse the money and tell the truth, yet were silenced.[/QUOTE]

You haven't been silenced. Does that mean you're not white?

[QUOTE=Palatine Creator]If they were just going to bus in Mossad agents to kill all the passengers, why not just fill the planes to capacity as they usually are? Why keep the passenger numbers so low?[/QUOTE]

I guess its true that niggers like to take the bus. Most flights are well undersold - thats why you can get tickets on the cheap if you wait to book until the last second.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]You sure your friend isn't Palestinian?

From the site: "One of the two Israelis who died aboard the hijacked planes was Daniel Lewin - who was aboard the first plane to crash into the Twin Towers. The Ha‘aretz News Service of Israel revealed that Lewin, was a one-time officer in the Israeli Defense Forces elite Sayeret Matkal commando unit. Oddly enough, Lewin’s name is missing from CNN’s comprehensive September 11 Memorial website."

Oddly enough, it took me 30 seconds to find his name on CNN's site.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1359.html[/QUOTE]

How that suggests he is a Palestinian escapes me, but consider that this was written a long time ago, and went through many drafts and updates. This is not the final, published version (http://www.booksurge.com/author.php3?accountID=DAND00030&affiliateID=A000246). Allow for some errors.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]You haven't been silenced. Does that mean you're not white?[/QUOTE]
I'll say that better: They weren't "silenced", they voices were just not given media coverage.

As far as the not white thing goes, I posted my contact info if you want to verify (if the picture isn't enough).
I guess its true that niggers like to take the bus. Most flights are well undersold - thats why you can get tickets on the cheap if you wait to book until the last second.
In 2001 flights were much more likely to be booked than today.

[QUOTE=Steve B]I will admit that some of the scenarios posted here seem a little far-fetched. What is not far-fetched is the FACT that NORAD did absolutly nothing while one hundred and thirteen minutes elapsed between the time American Airlines Flight 11 lost contact and was hijacked at 8:13:31 till the time United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania at 10:06:05.

One hour and fifty-three minutes went by and the USAF did not intercept any one of these four "hijacked" airlines and all over the most protected airspace in the world! To understand all the rules, regulation and procedures that make this totally impossible to happen, read:[/QUOTE]

Regulations, prodcedures and policies do not change human nature - if nothing happens every single day for twenty years, then you will come to work expecting nothing to happen and you will become flustered and forget what to do when something does happen. The folks at Norad and the Air Force are just regular working Joes - they come in groggy, have some coffee, chat a little, fill out some paperwork, attend a few meetings and think about what to do after work. So from the time an air traffic guy saw something was wrong and tried to figure out what it was until the pilot of an AF jet was ready to take off (no, theyre not always in the air - since the cold war ended expensive programs like that have been cut back), the information had to pass through many working Joes who did not see the full picture and were not certain of what to do or who to call.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]Regulations, prodcedures and policies do not change human nature - if nothing happens every single day for twenty years, then you will come to work expecting nothing to happen and you will become flustered and forget what to do when something does happen. The folks at Norad and the Air Force are just regular working Joes - they come in groggy, have some coffee, chat a little, fill out some paperwork, attend a few meetings and think about what to do after work. So from the time an air traffic guy saw something was wrong and tried to figure out what it was until the pilot of a plane was ready to take off, the information had to pass through many working Joes who did not see the full picture and were not certain of what to do or who to call.[/QUOTE]

LOL!!!! What a fuckin moron you are!

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]Regulations, prodcedures and policies do not change human nature - if nothing happens every single day for twenty years, then you will come to work expecting nothing to happen and you will become flustered and forget what to do when something does happen. The folks at Norad and the Air Force are just regular working Joes - they come in groggy, have some coffee, chat a little, fill out some paperwork, attend a few meetings and think about what to do after work. So from the time an air traffic guy saw something was wrong and tried to figure out what it was until the pilot of an AF jet was ready to take off (no, theyre not always in the air - since the cold war ended expensive programs like that have been cut back), the information had to pass through many working Joes who did not see the full picture and were not certain of what to do or who to call.[/QUOTE]
Vialls claims that shooting down the jets were impossilbe, because the pilots wouldn't want to kill their own citizens. Not all military men will kill anyone on an order.

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wtc/impossible.html

With the 9-11 "Truth Commission" wildly and inaccurately heaping scorn on the United States Air Force this week, it is timely to point out that no sane American military pilot was going to shoot down a civil airliner, which might easily have been carrying your own Mom and Dad home from vacation

[QUOTE=Steve B]LOL!!!! What a fuckin moron you are![/QUOTE]

For suggesting people aren't machines? Huh.

[QUOTE=Palatine Creator]Vialls claims that shooting down the jets were impossilbe, because the pilots wouldn't want to kill their own citizens. Not all military men will kill anyone on an order.

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/wtc/impossible.html[/QUOTE]

You're missing the point! No fighter jets were even scrambled! It don't happen...it can't happen in spite of Kike Kuhn's assertion that the entire NORAD personal were merely "groggy" that day and needed some "coffee" and a little "chat" to get them up to speed!

[QUOTE=Steve B]You're missing the point! No fighter jets were even scrambled! It don't happen...it can't happen in spite of Kike Kuhn's assertion that the entire NORAD personal were merely "groggy" that day and needed some "coffee" and a little "chat" to get them up to speed![/QUOTE]
Vialls just thought it was getting out of control, with so many accusations being pointed at the Air Force that's supposed to be defending our skies.

The Official Version
Of 9/11 Is A Hoax
Commentary By John Kaminski
3-22-3

(Author's note: This story is intended for people who have accepted the official version of the 9/11 story. It should be distributed widely to the uninformed few who still believe this tragedy was engineered by Muslim terrorists.

Either by incompetence or by design, George W. Bush allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen, and probably was involved in the planning of them. The American people might stand by and allow him to slaughter every nation in the world, but they will not stand for it when they know he participated the mass killing of his own people.)


The Official Version Of 9/11 Is A Hoax

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
3-22-3

Opposed by everyone in the world who was not bought off, the illegal invasion of Iraq was undertaken for many reasons - the imminent replacement of the dollar by the euro as the world's primary currency, the tempting lure of untapped oil reserves, the desire to consolidate U.S./Israeli military hegemony over a strategically vital region - but the most important reason was to further obscure questions about the awesome deception staged by the American government that has come to be known as 9/11.

9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:

The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down. Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history. None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses.

Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated. Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.

The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel. What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.

The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.

FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS. Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.

In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.

The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers? Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries. Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?

Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy. In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened. The anthrax attacks also amped up the climate of fear and deflected attention from the passage of the government's repressive Patriot Act.

The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it. This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it.

The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington. Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims. The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.

The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn. No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.

The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit. It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.

The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling from the sky.

Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment. These calls were cynical fabrications, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.

Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.

These are merely a few of the deliberately false statements made by U.S. officials about 9/11. They provide crystal clear evidence that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder. Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.

Otherwise, we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.

Consider just a few more of the other unanswered questions from among the thousands of unexplained loose ends that all point to 9/11 being an inside job.

Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options? And what was the role of the new executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard, who handled these transactions?

Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination? Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?

Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?

Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?

Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?

Today, millions of people around the world are protesting the criminal destruction of the nation of Iraq. But these protests won't change the number of minds necessary to stop America's criminal madmen from continuing with their genocidal aim of enslaving the entire world.

What WILL stop them is spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.

History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.

Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq. Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.

But the American people will not - and cannot - tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext - the war on terror - to go around killing anyone they like.

If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.


John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the coast of Florida and can't understand why the president hasn't been arrested for his obvious lies and crimes.

[QUOTE=Steve B]You're missing the point! No fighter jets were even scrambled! It don't happen...it can't happen in spite of Kike Kuhn's assertion that the entire NORAD personal were merely "groggy" that day and needed some "coffee" and a little "chat" to get them up to speed![/QUOTE]

I'm a Jews for suggesting that flight controllers took a while to figure out what was happening and call supervisors who took a while to call NORAD who took a while to call the Air Force. NORAD may not have been groggy, but if they do not have the information to work with, they can't do shit. And if there are no planes ready to go, the airforce fucked up, but that does not make it a conspiracy.

This argument comes down to the question of the credibility of the official government story of 911. It isn't limited to the the question of whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon, which is debatable. Much more convincing evidence exists to undermine the credibility of the government story. The hardest evidence I have seen that the government is lying and that 911 must have been an inside job is the controlled demolition of the 7th tower of the WTC, and the general cover up by the government and the media of this event. All the other evidence, which is immense, is gathered at the STRANGER THAN FICTION link, but is mostly circumstantial; the circumstances and events around 911 and the official behavior suggest a Mossad engineered inside job. Some of that circumstantial evidence is the false evidence trails planted against Arabs; the miraculous passport surviving the WTC explosion; the Arab flight manuals, Korans and fuel calculators found in the vehicles supposedly left behind by the hijackers; the Israeli intelligence claims of hundreds of Al-Qaeda operatives planning attacks within the US and Iraqi backing; the pre-911 plans for wars with Iraq and Afghanistan and the obvious placement of key neo-con figures like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz in important Pentagon and Defense Department positions; the revelation that at least 7 of the alleged hijackers are alive and well and living in their home countries, victims of identity theft, and much more. Again, all of this evidence is gathered in the STRANGER THAN FICTION documentary. No one has any business discussing or debating this issue if they haven't yet read that. I may devote a thread to chapter summaries of STF for the benefit of those who don't want to read the entire work. I already have them prepared from a previous discussion of this subject with a different friend. A few more points: Not one or only one Israeli national died in the WTC, while countries like Guatemala and Ireland among others lost citizens in the WTC; there were numerous advance warnings to individuals and to companies located in the WTC of the impending attacks, foremost among them the instant message warnings to the Israeli-based and Israeli-staffed instant messaging firm Odigo; the miraculous escape of the Israeli Zim Navigational shipping company's offices from the WTC shortly before 911 to "save on rent;" the Israeli agents, some 200 of them, caught leading up to and after 911, some of whom were alleged to have had connections to the "hijackers" -whoever they were - the 5 Israeli "movers" caught filming the burning towers from their rooftop, laughing and cheering and behaving as though very pleased with that they saw, and much, much more. All point to an Israel engineered, Pentagon backed operation aimed at getting the war started against Iraq and their other Arab enemies that they wanted for so long, and that they were so well placed to wage, with all of their top neo-cons at the helm of the Bush administration. This isn't the first time they have tried this. The USS Liberty stunt was just such an operation, aimed at getting the US involved in the war against Egypt; the jews did not attack that ship with the intent of taking credit for it, they intended to kill everyone aboard and blame Egypt for it. And before that there was the Lavon affair, where Israeli agents attacked US government installations in Egypt with the intent of generating a conflict between the US and Egypt, who at that time was Israel's foremost enemy in the region. 911 was a logical step in this sequence, and those of us who suspect Israeli involvement are simply logical students of Middle East history and Zionist aims, not wild-eyed conspiracy theorists.

Video of the WTC 7 collapse (http://www.9-11research.com/videos/docs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg) | From WTC7.NET (http://www.wtc7.net/):

At 5:20 PM, September 11th, 2001, a 47 story steel frame skyscraper in Manhattan underwent a swift, systematic, straight-down collapse. In a matter of seconds, the immense 600-foot tall structure was transformed into a small pile of rubble lying almost entirely within the building's original footprint.

The building is variously known as Building 7 WTC 7, or 7 World Trade Center. Despite its address, it was across the street from the superblock containing the rest of the World Trade Center, and was of a different architectural style and age than the 6 other WTC buildings.

The cause of the collapse has never been determined. FEMA's Building Performance Study, the only government document that addressed the collapse of Building 7 in any detail, stated:

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time... Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.

By the time FEMA's report was published, the remains of Building 7 had been almost entirely destroyed, nearly all of the structural steel having been expeditiously removed and shipped to blast furnaces overseas. Without the physical evidence of the structural steel, such research, investigation, and analyses would be impossible.

The Collapse of Building 7 was the third largest structural failure in World history, surpassed only by the collapses of the Twin Towers earlier that day. Fires are blamed for leveling Building 7, but fires have never caused the total or even partial collapse of a steel-frame highrise, before or since September 11th. Why, then, was there no serious investigation of the collapse of this building, and why does it remain virtually unknown to the American public?

The building "also housed then-Mayor Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, and its emergency command center on the 23rd floor. This floor received 15 million dollars worth of renovations, including independent and secure air and water supplies, and bullet and bomb resistant windows designed to withstand 200 MPH winds. The 1993 bombing must have been part of the rationale for the command center, which overlooked the Twin Towers, a prime terrorist target.

How curious that on the day of the attack, Guiliani and his Entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.

The Story of Building 7 (http://www.wtc7.net/contents.html)

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-7_1_.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/hey123/wtc7_pile.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/hey123/wtc7.jpg

The Silence Surrounding Building 7

The American Public was treated to wall-to-wall television coverage of the September 11th attack throughout the day and for nearly the entire following week. Yet most Americans remember only two skyscrapers collapsing in Lower Manhattan on the day of the attack: the Twin Towers. The total collapse of the third huge skyscraper late in the afternoon of September 11th was reported as if it were an insignificant footnote. The television networks played video of the jets impacting the Twin Towers hundreds of times. But most people never saw video of Building 7's collapse.

Building 7 was neither hit by an airplane nor heavy fallout from the collapse of either of the Twin Towers. If you believe the official story that it collapsed from fires, it would be the first case in history in which fires leveled a steel frame building. Shouldn't that have been newsworthy, given its implications for building safety and rescue and firefighting operations? Incredibly, it is virtually impossible to find any mention of building 7 in newspapers, magazines, or broadcast media reports after September 11th.

[QUOTE=Steve B]I will admit that some of the scenarios posted here seem a little far-fetched. What is not far-fetched is the FACT that NORAD did absolutely nothing while one hundred and thirteen minutes elapsed between the time American Airlines Flight 11 lost contact and was hijacked at 8:13:31 till the time United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania at 10:06:05.[/QUOTE]

Good observation, Steve. This was covered in chapter 12 of STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm). See under heading "Who Provided the Protective Cover for the 911 Operation?"

Wasn't that the building of which Silverstein said "Pull it?"

There was an mp3 of that on Rense.

Here's a question for the great thinkers of this board: if that plane did not crash into the White House, where did it go? What happened to it? What became of all of the people on board?

It was taken down in Pennsylvania by the passengers revolting. There is an entire book written on this called "Let's Roll".

JP, thrice in this thread I have referred you to a website containing hundreds of pages and hundreds of links which should, altogether, be able to answer all of your questions and concerns as to the truth of what really 'happened' on 9-11. I You can go back and find the link, I even made it real big so even hardcore lemmings would have a hard time missing it in all this excitement. I have neither the time nor the inclination to debate with or provide rejoinder to someone with such a limited intellect and deep-seated delusions.

Other than that, all I have to say is, your ignorance is disturbing.

The standard argument of the lemmings against every source that is not pro-ZOG is that it is "discredited", because...it isn't pro-ZOG. :rolleyes:

Immediately after ZOG-productions like 911, before the censors do their work, truth comes out before being suppressed again. Thanks to the internet, it is a lot harder for ZOG to control information than 10 years ago.

A recent example is about one of the 4 planes that actually landed first "after being highjacked", in accordance with the unofficial story. That fact was pulled. But traces of it are still on the net, and the webpage is saved by many people. ZOG can't censor it anymore.

http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

If you follow the link http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html you can see for yourself that ZOG can and does censor mainstream sources.

And they are working very hard to censor the decentralized internet as well.

But ZOG is not allmighty.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]So ZOG can engineer a massive plot to kill 3000 Americans with missile-firing, remote-control planes, but they can't censor internet sites. Strange ZOG.[/QUOTE]
Ever hear of denial of service attacks? VNN, Stormfront, National Vanguard and lots of other pro-white sites have lost money due to having to fight against them. The kikes are experts at killing when the battlefield is uneven, but hate it when those they're killing can actually do a thing or two to fight back.

If a plane really did hit the Pentagon why don't they just release some pictures of it to prove us all wrong and shut us all up?

Surely it would be in their best interests.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Racist sites are frequent targets of self-rightous hackers. I used to be into the whole HPA nonsense before my racial days, so I am familiar with how often they go after racist sites.[/QUOTE]
How about when the Jews passed a petition to remove Jewwatch from Google? Don't you think that's a form of censorship?

[QUOTE=legion]If a plane really did hit the Pentagon why don't they just release some pictures of it to prove us all wrong and shut us all up?

Surely it would be in their best interests.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. That ZOG impounded all video material of 911 and only released what was in their interest proves that the official version of 911 is bogus.

I would be interested in what the Mossad "movers" were filming, for instance.
Did they start filming BEFORE the first crash?

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Once again, if they can kill 3,000 people with missile-firing, remote controlled planes, if they can silence or pay off several hundred passengers who DIDN'T crash in Pennsylvania, why do they need to write petitions or threaten boycotts to get internet sites censored? Why do they need to rely on DOS attacks(which are considered one of the easiest things a hacker can do)?[/QUOTE]
As you can see from my other thread, I think that France, Germany, and Russia coordinated the 9/11 assault as retaliation for destruction of the Concorde. The passengers are all dead and the people who were paid off were family members of victims via Red Cross.

DOS attacks may be easy according to you, but what do you really know about hacking? The biggest denial of sevice attacks are staged against those who criticize Israel.

Internet sites are a having a continual and progressive effect at eliminating kikenvermin vampirism. The cowardly rats conduct war through deceit.

Read about how paykike and yajoo stole from Joe Vialls:

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/subliminalsuggestion/viallsbanned.html

Guess they didn't like him exposing their prior plan to steal Iraqi Oil via Wall Street money laundering to massive amounts of spies in Operation Shekhinah.

http://www.geocities.com/operationshekhinah/one.html

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]The planes were simply out of contact. That is no reason to scramble jets. Prior to 9-11, hijackings were basically kidnappings. We hadn't dealt with a Kamikaze airplane attack since 1945.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely false. As explained in chapter 12 of STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm),

"On October 26, 1999, the famous golfer Payne Stewart boarded a private Learjet in Florida and left for Texas. Shortly after takeoff, Stewart's jet veered sharply off course and began heading northwest. All contact with air controllers was lost. Within 15 minutes of having gone off course, US fighter jets had already intercepted the jet. Everyone on board was likely dead due to depressurization. These fighter jets were dispatched by NORAD, the branch of the US air force whose job it is to monitor and defend US airspace 24 hours a day. NORAD maintains a huge array of land based radar systems and has fighter jets on alert 24 hours a day so that they can respond to a crisis. The jets escorted the doomed airplane until another group of Air National Guard jets took over the escort mission. Finally, Stewart's jet ran out of fuel a crashed in South Dakota. The quick reaction time and military precision with which NORAD intercepted and escorted Stewart's jet was impressive, and exactly what one would have expected from the greatest military power in world history.86 (http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/25/wayward.jet.07/)

But on 9-11, the same NORAD which had so effortlessly intercepted Stewart's jet in 1999, was nowhere to be found during that two hour period between the first planes going off course and the last one crashing in a Pennsylvania field. How is it possible that the airspace between Boston and Washington DC, an area which contains the political and economic heart of the nation, was left completely defenseless? The second plane to hit the New York had flown off course without communication for 40 minutes. On its way to New York, it actually flew within a few miles of McGuire Air Force base in New Jersey, after the first tower had already been hit! And how is it possible that Washington DC was left undefended (long after the New York attacks) when Andrews Air Force base is within car driving distance? The air force jets which did finally arrive were too late. Was this due to NORAD's incompetence, or was the order to scramble the fighter jets deliberately delayed so that the terror attacks could take place. Given NORAD's impressive performance in the 1999 Payne Stewart disaster, this would suggest that someone high up in the Air Force establishment may have issued stand down orders to some of our Air Force bases. Remember, the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board is headed by Zionist Richard Perle and his gang of warmongering lackeys.87 (http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/04/Israel/US_Zionists.html) The civilians on this board wield the power to promote career minded Generals and Admirals. Is it really that hard to believe that a highly placed military leader could have collaborated with the true 9-11 planners?

What makes the Air Force's slow response even more outrageous and suspicious is that previously mentioned NewsweeK (http://propagandamatrix.com/pentagon_officials_safe.htm) article which revealed that several Pentagon leaders (Defense Policy Board?) cancelled flight plans for September 11 due to security concerns.88 (http://propagandamatrix.com/pentagon_officials_safe.htm) There were other warning signals too which we’re reviewed earlier. In light of all these warnings, why wasn’t NORAD and it's armada of fighters placed on an even higher alert than they already are? There is only one logical answer to these questions: Certain Pentagon leaders were "in on it."

General Hamid Gul, a former Director of Pakistani Intelligence hit the nail on the head with his analysis:

"The attacks against New York and Washington were Israeli engineered."

"The attacks started at 8:45, and four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no Air Force fighter jets scramble until 10:00. Radars are jammed, transponders fail and no IFF - friend or foe identification - challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to an IFF, jets are instantly scrambled. This was clearly an inside job. Will this also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Kennedy assassination?" 89 (http://www.robert-fisk.com/hamid_gul_interview_sept26_2001.htm)

This raises another troubling set of questions. Surely the masterminds of the 9-11 operation would have taken the time to learn something about US air defense procedures. They would therefore have realized that hitting New York City with jets hijacked from Boston would have been difficult. New York is about 30 minutes away by airplane and jumbo jets fly very slowly when compared to US fighter jets that can crack the sound barrier. Even with a 15-20 minute head start, NORAD's jets could have easily intercepted them, especially the second plane, which took a longer route to New York and flew way off course for 40 minutes. Why choose Boston's airport and jeopardize the success of the operation? Wouldn't it be safer to just hijack planes from New York's Kennedy or La Guardia Airports? Or even Newark, NJ which is just across the river. Any plane hijacked from either of those three busy airports would have been unstoppable. Even a plane from Philadelphia's Airport would have been much closer to the target than far away Boston.

The planners were no dummies. They must have counted on receiving protective cover and a window of opportunity by someone high up at US Air command. Why else choose Boston? In addition to the protection that the planners were to receive from certain Air Force elements, there is another plausible theory for choosing Boston's Logan Airport as well as United and American Airlines planes. It should be noted that the firm which provides security at Boston's Logan Airport and also Newark Airport, and also works extensively with United and American Airlines, is a company called Huntleigh USA.90 (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1162&format=) Claiming that Huntleigh USA's airport security was grossly negligent on 9-11, family members of some of the victims are suing Huntleigh.91 (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1162&format=) Huntleigh USA had been acquired by ICTS International in 1999. ICTS is controlled by two Israelis; Ezra Harel and Menachem Atzmon.92 (http://www.hoovers.com/icts-international/--ID__51774--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml) In short, security at Boston's Logan airport was handled (or mishandled) by an Israeli controlled company. Is there a connection here? Could agents have been infiltrated into Logan Airport under Israeli owned Huntleigh's cover? It's quite possible. In the days following the 9-11 attacks, Israeli security professionals began aggressively marketing themselves in order to gain more airport security jobs.93 (http://www.webprowire.com/summaries/41510.html) Americans should be grateful to have such wonderful allies who care about our airport security so much!"

Jets are scrambled if a small plane enters restricted airspace. It didn't happen this time.

[QUOTE=999]Jets are scrambled if a small plane enters restricted airspace. It didn't happen this time.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Though I have seen some outrageously crazy ideas about that day, it is still fair to say that the 9/11 Commission did not tell the whole story. Even mainstream media wrote about their finished paper as a compromise designed not to upset anybody -- after Bush and his gang had done everything to stop a free and independent investigation, let's not forget.

Moammed Atta's passport couldn't possibly survive a fireball that melted steel. No way. No way at all. And then there's the Izzy agents from the fake company taking pictures of the towers falling, laughing and high-fiving each other. Obviously Mossad knew what was going to happen. Then again, most FBI wiretapping is done by two Israeli companies, one with very close ties to the Israeli government.

The people up high knew, oh yes they knew. Otherwise there's no way in hell the Israelites would have a team there taking pictures and laughing. That's hands-down, 100 percent positive evidence that they knew, and it would be treated as such by the media if it were not for the fact that the media are Jew-controlled.

[QUOTE=Fredrik Haerne]The people up high knew, oh yes they knew. Otherwise there's no way in hell the Israelites would have a team there taking pictures and laughing. That's hands-down, 100 percent positive evidence that they knew, and it would be treated as such by the media if it were not for the fact that the media are Jew-controlled.[/QUOTE]

Yes the Mossad is clever enough to orchestrate a plot involving remote controlled planes, dissapearing passengers, fake phone calls to family members, missles, hidden bombs in buildings, control over NORAD, the air force and the FAA, the murder of hundreds of soldiers in the pentagon whose colleagues remain silent, lying witnesses, and a cover-up involving the entire media both . . . . but they're not smart enough to put their agents in a private apartment or hotel room where they can madly dance without anyone seeing them. Oh, and I guess the dozens of Arab arrested on terrorism charges in the US and England since 9/11 are all Mossad agents too.

Fritz, do you think you've just made a point? Well, you have. You've convinced me that you are a kike. I wasn't quite sure until now.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]Yes the Mossad is clever enough to orchestrate a plot involving remote controlled planes, dissapearing passengers, fake phone calls to family members, missles, hidden bombs in buildings, control over NORAD, the air force and the FAA, the murder of hundreds of soldiers in the pentagon whose colleagues remain silent, lying witnesses, and a cover-up involving the entire media both . . . . but they're not smart enough to put their agents in a private apartment or hotel room where they can madly dance without anyone seeing them. Oh, and I guess the dozens of Arab arrested on terrorism charges in the US and England since 9/11 are all Mossad agents too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]Yes the Mossad is clever enough to orchestrate a plot involving remote controlled planes, dissapearing passengers, fake phone calls to family members, missles, hidden bombs in buildings, control over NORAD, the air force and the FAA, the murder of hundreds of soldiers in the pentagon whose colleagues remain silent, lying witnesses, and a cover-up involving the entire media both . . . . but they're not smart enough to put their agents in a private apartment or hotel room where they can madly dance without anyone seeing them. Oh, and I guess the dozens of Arab arrested on terrorism charges in the US and England since 9/11 are all Mossad agents too.[/QUOTE]

Your argument here is a strawman. You are not repeating what I actually said, but exaggerating and distorting it to make it easier to attack.

What did I say? That they knew. Not that they used remote-controlled planes. Right? Okay.

Did I say the Arabs that have been arrested are Mossad agents? No. Anything else?

http://www.panix.com/~baldwin/coup-cover-300.jpg

Mossad, every jew in the world, and the Washington higher ups weren't the only ones who "knew".

Unless this album cover is sheer coincidence. Whatever it is it's sadistic and evil.

Die nigger, die.

[QUOTE=MOMUS]Fritz, do you think you've just made a point? Well, you have. You've convinced me that you are a kike. I wasn't quite sure until now.[/QUOTE]

You're the one who believes Jews are God-like, all powerful geniuses who control hundreds of millions of white dupes. That would make you a kike-lover and a hater of whites.

A nicely Jewish response. Keep up the bad work, failed troll.

Hey, how is yer old buddy, wasp, doing? has he found a new alias and a forum to propagandize on?
It was a shame that he felt the need for sock-puppets, you should have backed him up more.

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]You're the one who believes Jews are God-like, all powerful geniuses who control hundreds of millions of white dupes. That would make you a kike-lover and a hater of whites.[/QUOTE]

You jews and jewbuddies seem compelled to keep hammering at this topic.
I can understand why; once the missing jewish piece is put into the puzzle it all makes sense.
Without it there is nothing but faith in government and in the media to account for the events of 9-11.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Really? How long have you worked at NORAD?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]1st sign of an idiot on VNN: Accuses anybody that disagrees with him of being a Jew.

The problem here is that you people have provided nothing but flawed arguments as proof. If you still believe cabal-like Jewish leaders having secret meetings under the White House, then you don't understand the Jewish problem. People like you make all WN's look like a bunch of paranoid nutjobs. We need more Kevin MacDonalds and WG Simpsons, and less of you.[/QUOTE]

Or Dr. Pierce, or even the current incarnation of David Duke. These 9/11 conspiracy arguments have nothing to do with white racialism - they are spread by radical leftists, black nationalists, UFO cranks, lyndon larouchies and other nuts and shut-ins. They are guaranteed to push our rational, logical and provable cause further from the mainstream. Why not talk about brown immigration, black crime, jewish media power, gay marriage, pornography and 100 other areas where we can influence the the average white voter with our ideas.

J.P. & co.: are you telling us you can look at a picture of a 16ft. hole in the pentagon, pre-collapse, and still believe it was struck by an airliner? You are not observing objective reality. How did you ever stop believing in Santa?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-7_1_.gif

The lemmings are still mum on the above image. It must be their firm belief and rabid assertions that evil Muslim freedom haters have the power to make undamaged buildings collapse in 6.5 seconds.

Unassailable ignorance in action.

Well, JP and Fritz, here's another gif video provided for your denunciation and hive mind denial. Care to explain why WTC 7 collapsed? Is our evidence faulty? Have we not provided clear enough proof?

Remember to look up at the video that shows the building collapsing.

Concentrate real hard. Look at the video and then provide a sentence or two to help us understand why undamage skyscrapers collapse for no apparent reason.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]J.P. & co.: are you telling us you can look at a picture of a 16ft. hole in the pentagon, pre-collapse, and still believe it was struck by an airliner? You are not observing objective reality. How did you ever stop believing in Santa?[/QUOTE]

What's to say the little insect ever did stop believing in Santa? I wouldn't put it past him. He's a perfect example of the fact that white nationalism is not always white rationalism.

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]JP, you’ve already stated in post #71 [/size][/font][color=black][font=Verdana]that you don’t agree totally with the official version. In post #125 you make a suggestion that everyone should state how they think the events unfolded. You have yet to do so. What about the official version do you not believe or question?[/font][/color]

[QUOTE=Bragi]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wtc-7_1_.gif

The lemmings are still mum on the above image. It must be their firm belief and rabid assertions that evil Muslim freedom haters have the power to make undamaged buildings collapse in 6.5 seconds.

Unassailable ignorance in action.

Well, JP and Fritz, here's another gif video provided for your denunciation and hive mind denial. Care to explain why WTC 7 collapsed? Is our evidence faulty? Have we not provided clear enough proof?

Remember to look up at the video that shows the building collapsing.

Concentrate real hard. Look at the video and then provide a sentence or two to help us understand why undamage skyscrapers collapse for no apparent reason.[/QUOTE]

I'm bumping this so Cretins Incorporated can't claim they missed it among the clutter and thus avoid it by default.

[QUOTE=Bragi]I'm bumping this so Cretins Incorporated can't claim they missed it among the clutter and thus avoid it by default.[/QUOTE]

Bragi,

They've avoided it a few times already.

I don't advocate that we take this argument to the public, it would never work, but we should be clear about it among ourselves. We don't know what Dr. Pierce thought about it or suspected, but there was no way that he would have stated his suspicions on his program without some sort of hard evidence. It's just too far out there for most people to consider, regardless of the facts. Better for us just to go with the official story and explain why we were attacked in the first place and why we're despised all over the Muslim world. Denying Arab guilt suggests to most people a desire to cover for and excuse non-whites of wrong doing, as well as a mild case of insanity; we'd come off as fringe leftists. However, Dr. Pierce was aware and did state on ADV that the anthrax mailer was a jew, Philip Zack, and that the media and government were covering for him and going after Dr. Hatfil. The details of the anthrax case are covered in chapter 19 of STRANGER THAN FICTION (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm), "The Anthrax Letters: Another Anti-Arab Frame Up."

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn]These 9/11 conspiracy arguments have nothing to do with white racialism - they are spread by radical leftists, black nationalists, UFO cranks, lyndon larouchies and other nuts and shut-ins. They are guaranteed to push our rational, logical and provable cause further from the mainstream.[/QUOTE]

Actually the premier and definitive documentary (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm) exposing the 911 lie was penned over a period of many months by none other than a white nationalist and VNN writer, who puts the blame squarely on Jews, not because of any conspiracy theorist or pro-Muslim tendency, but because that's where the evidence points an objective person and a student of Middle East history. Let's not attack straw men now.

No one's saying that we take this track with the general public or make it an argument of white nationalism, not at all. But we should be clear about it among ourselves, and accept the facts as they are. Truth and propaganda are two separate things. Your attitude seems to be that if the truth isn't convenient or doesn't make for good propaganda, than its not the truth.

Dud, defective, or otherwise flawed missile. Left an embarrassingly small hole. You call unbroken windows proof of wing damage? No, I didn't measure the hole. Did you see a plane hit the pentagon? Why did the fbi collect all the surveillance videotapes from the businesses that were overflown by that attack plane? One slow, low resolution tape of the pentagon is all that exists? No one is this obstinate.

Yes, let's not read that online book here (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm) , let's just attack his credentials. Oy veh, he isn't even a mainstream journalist or a jew, so how can anything he says be true?

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Ok, what qualifications did this guy have to put together that story?[/QUOTE]

A functioning brain.

God, this is getting old. http://www.rebelarmy.com/forums/images/smilies/signs/old.gif

[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88]God, this is getting old. http://www.rebelarmy.com/forums/images/smilies/signs/old.gif[/QUOTE]
Thread's only four days old. The movie hasn't been out too long, either.

[QUOTE=Palatine Creator]Thread's only four days old. The movie hasn't been out too long, either.[/QUOTE]

Guess you're right... But hey, I got in the 200th post! http://www.rebelarmy.com/forums/images/smilies/ani/banana.gif

[QUOTE=Palatine Creator] ...The movie hasn't been out too long, either.[/QUOTE]

Long enough for me to get my copy.

Not bad actually, lots of excellent footage and even makes a pretty solid case that there's something to the theory about the missiles at the WTC.

My review at the below thread, but get a copy as soon as the pirates get the price down low. Worth it.


http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=8763

[QUOTE=Fritz Kuhn][color=blue]Yes the Mossad is clever enough to orchestrate a plot involving remote controlled planes, dissapearing passengers, fake phone calls to family members, missles, hidden bombs in buildings, control over NORAD, the air force and the FAA, the murder of hundreds of soldiers in the pentagon whose colleagues remain silent, lying witnesses, and a cover-up involving the entire media both . . . . but they're not smart enough to put their agents in a private apartment or hotel room where they can madly dance without anyone seeing them. Oh, and I guess the dozens of Arab arrested on terrorism charges in the US and England since 9/11 are all Mossad agents too.[/color][/QUOTE]
[color=darkorchid]LOL that is hilarious. Good point though. I personally think this was a classic case of what is known as "blowback," revenge for the US pissing people off abroad. If Israel is guilty of anything, it is of not forwarding intelligence regarding instant messenger programs. Who knows what to make of it, but they are reaping a mother lode of benefits.[/color]

VNN's own Rich Brooks reviews Pastore's Stranger Than Fiction here (http://www.whitealert.com/terror_enigma.htm).

[QUOTE=Lagergeld][color=darkorchid]LOL that is hilarious. Good point though. I personally think this was a classic case of what is known as "blowback," revenge for the US pissing people off abroad. If Israel is guilty of anything, it is of not forwarding intelligence regarding instant messenger programs. Who knows what to make of it, but they are reaping a mother lode of benefits.[/color][/QUOTE]

And "who benefitted?" is the only question you need to ask when it comes to the events and questions of 9-11 and of history in general.

He who controls will always be the one to benefit.

In other words.

PS Israel and the jews who constitute her are guilty of far more than the witholding of crucial information. You would make the world too small to match your mind.

[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88]Guess you're right... But hey, I got in the 200th post! http://www.rebelarmy.com/forums/images/smilies/ani/banana.gif[/QUOTE]
Actually, you got the 200th reply. JB112 got the 200th post.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]1st sign of an idiot on VNN: Accuses anybody that disagrees with him of being a Jew.

The problem here is that you people have provided nothing but flawed arguments as proof. If you still believe cabal-like Jewish leaders having secret meetings under the White House, then you don't understand the Jewish problem. People like you make all WN's look like a bunch of paranoid nutjobs. We need more Kevin MacDonalds and WG Simpsons, and less of you.[/QUOTE]

You are a Jew! I got the feeling just from how your directed uncalled for hatred to me when we both said the exact same thing about the Pennsylvania crash. Maybe my hakenkreuz avatar offends you so you feel you must be hateful to me, eh kike? I also think you are a Jew by your screen name, who would have a name like that on VNN but a Jewski. Don't tell me you are Polish because you are a Jew. 14/88

I love it when jackasses make long boring posts so I can laugh and reply with a short to-the-point reply.

1st... i made this avatar myself i didn't obtain anything
2nd... you are a Jew

Have a nice day! :D

Just watched the DVD. Half the questions I posed to J.P. were asked of the viewer in the expose'. And many more. Please see a copy before commenting further J.P. How about firefighter witnesses talking about explosions at WTC? The producers made good use of materials many of us already have in our possession. Along with "one insertion" news items. Everyone aware of that phenomenon? News bites that air just once, never to be seen or referenced again? They are sometimes huge clues. Who decides to yank them?
Anyone on the fence before viewing this DVD will promptly have all doubts removed.

Interesting video at the link provided which may put to rest some doubts around here. I find it hard to believe that after viewing this film, anyone could still swallow the official version of events as disseminated by jewish media and jewish occupied government.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html


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You are so right. How anyone with a funtioning brain can see images like those and still believe the gov't. line?
J.P.S.: Just watch this. No need to wait. Please tell us what you've seen.
Once you've realized this is a horrible lie, the reality should start to set in about how far down the road we are. ALL media report the phony story, in lock-step. What does that mean to YOU?