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ben shockley
January 16th, 2009, 05:17 PM
Got a note from my online broker today, no longer offering certificates. Makes it all that easier for the Federal reserv cede fund to just appropriate you stock holdings.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/who-really-owns-your-money-part-one-dtcc-and-cede-do
ben shockley
January 16th, 2009, 05:51 PM
WHO REALLY OWNS YOUR MONEY? Part One: The DTCC and CEDE do
As the average American's wealth continues to be whittled away by tumultuous markets, the rising cost of living, and the disastrous lack of leadership being displayed in the Nation's Capitol, folks are just beginning to realize they have no idea who or what is in control of their wealth.
Many assume that the players they see and hear about on TV - like Hank Paulson, Ben Bernenke, or Alan Greenspan - work for the US Government, because that is who signed their paychecks. It is an easy mistake to make, as they look like Civil Servants in most every way: They are appointed by the President, they are confirmed by the full Congress of the United States, and they are paid with US Tax Dollars. Civil Servants then, right?
Well, no - not necessarily.
Most folks know absolutely nothing of the basic facts about how our finances are administered. They are unaware that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned company who's shareholders are not citizens nor patriots, and who have no interest in the continued success of the United States beyond what we were able to offer them as a Super Power over the better part of the last century.
Just watch as the financial power centers are slowly shifted from the United States to the far east, particularly China, who's system of government-controlled "free trade" has made them the fastest growing Empire in history. They don't have to worry about what a Congress or constituents might think, no protesters to drive by, no subpoenas to dodge. Oh, and the environmental and human rights laws...
Totalitarianism geared towards textbook Fascism is a much more favorable environment for Capitalism to thrive in than is our Representative Democracy, which has outlived it's usefulness since the development of the Multinational Conglomerate.
After years of unrestrained borrowing and spending, during which time the vast majority of our fundamental production capabilities and jobs were displaced and reestablished over-seas using subsidies provided by American tax dollars, the United States has lost it's title as the best place in the world to keep and grow your money. We have essentially lost our AAA rating with the world. We are insolvent, and the world is running on us.
How can we tell?
George Witzgall
January 16th, 2009, 06:01 PM
Got a note from my online broker today, no longer offering certificates. Makes it all that easier for the Federal reserv cede fund to just appropriate you stock holdings.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/who-really-owns-your-money-part-one-dtcc-and-cede-do
this is something I am worried about. my stocks are in the name of charles schwab, not me. this is true of everyone who does not have physical possession of the certificates and is not getting the dividend checks sent directly to them. so what happens if, say, schwab goes bankrupt? can I be sure to get the stocks re-written in my name? or will the bank vultures sell all the stocks and divvy up the proceeds leaving me with a fraction of my value?
Luis Quilico
January 16th, 2009, 06:57 PM
this is something I am worried about. my stocks are in the name of charles schwab, not me. this is true of everyone who does not have physical possession of the certificates and is not getting the dividend checks sent directly to them. so what happens if, say, schwab goes bankrupt? can I be sure to get the stocks re-written in my name? or will the bank vultures sell all the stocks and divvy up the proceeds leaving me with a fraction of my value?
They certainly will, and historical precedent almost assures it.
George, pack it up and sell. It's all over, for now.
ben shockley
January 16th, 2009, 07:00 PM
They certainly will, and historical precedent almost assures it.
George, pack it up and sell. It's all over, for now.Fudge packing? Sorry, couldn't help it:D
ben shockley
January 16th, 2009, 07:27 PM
The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation is the biggest Bank in the World that you have probably never heard it. They happen to be the registered owners of 99% of all paper (stocks, bonds, securities, etc.). Scary, but true. And they have a perfectly good reason for it - with electronic trading, it is impossible to make timely changes to registered ownership of the paper.
The DTCC retains registered ownership while you as the peasant investor have the designation of beneficiary of the instruments. More on all of that below. First, lets see what the DTCC has to say about itself:
DTCC, through its subsidiaries, provides clearing, settlement and information services for equities, corporate and municipal bonds, government and mortgage-backed securities, money market instruments and over-the-counter derivatives. In addition, DTCC is a leading processor of mutual funds and insurance transactions, linking funds and carriers with their distribution networks.
DTCC's depository provides custody and asset servicing for 3.5 million securities issues from the United States and 110 other countries and territories, valued at $40 trillion. In 2007, DTCC settled more than $1.86 quadrillion in securities transactions.
DTCC operates through six subsidiaries - each of which serves a specific segment and risk profile within the securities industry:
National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC)
The Depository Trust Company (DTC)
Fixed Income Clearing Corporation (FICC)
DTCC Deriv/SERV LLC
DTCC Solutions LLC
EuroCCP Ltd.
DTCC's customer base extends to thousands of companies within the global financial services industry. DTCC serves brokers, dealers, institutional investors, banks, trust companies, mutual fund companies, insurance carriers, hedge funds and other financial intermediaries - either directly or through correspondent relationships. Increasingly, DTCC's customers operate both in the U.S. and overseas, where DTCC continues to provide them with services.
In the U.S., DTCC provides critical services to the markets for U.S. Government and mortgage-backed securities, and to all U.S. equity marketplaces, including the New York Stock Exchange, The Nasdaq Stock Market, the American Stock Exchange, and regional U.S. markets, as well as electronic trading and communications networks (ECNs).
All services provided through the clearing corporations and depository are registered with and regulated by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). The depository is also a member of the U.S. Federal Reserve System and a limited purpose trust company under New York State banking law.
Wow - can you believe these guys are this central to everything that is going on and we have not heard a peep out of them? Wouldn't you think that their expertise might come in handy right now? Maybe they are - but not for the benefit of you and me.
Why is there so much secrecy in our financial system? Why is so much of the system, and our wealth, controlled by so few people who are so far removed from the law and the Constitution? And how is it they have been getting away with it for so long?
ben shockley
January 16th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Don't we deserve to know why this is from someone, especially now, like the media or our elected officials? I guess not, so here is more:
"DTC is 35.1% owned by the New York Stock Exchange on behalf of the Exchange's members. It is operated by a separate management and has an independent board of directors. It is a limited purpose trust company and is a unit of the Federal Reserve." -New York Stock Exchange, Inc.
The banks and brokers are merely custodians for their clients. By federal law (SEC), they cannot hold any assets in the customer's name. The assets must be held in the name of DTC's holding company, CEDE & Co. That's how DTC has more than $19 trillion dollars of assets in trust... or is it really in "trust" if the private Federal Reserve System is technically holding it in their "unknown" entity's name?
Obviously, if stock and bond certificates you've purchased aren't in your name, then the "holder" (the Federal Reserve System) could theoretically refuse to surrender them back to you under a "national emergency" according to the Trading with the Enemy Act (as amended).
Between the market crash and terrorism attacks, I don't think the powers that be will have too much trouble manufacturing more "national emergencies" with which to further erode our Constitutional Rights. Remember the Patriot Act? They have not even begun to use that on us yet.
And it appears President Clinton has paved the way for a Gulag Society with his 1994 Executive Order 12919 (which I will also examine in subsequent articles). Right now though, the DTCC:
Simply put, the Depository Trust Company absolutely controls every paper asset transaction in the United States as well as the majority of overseas transactions, and they now physically hold (as of April 1999) 99% of all stock and bond book-entrys in their street name, not the actual owner's names.
REGISTERED HOLDER- A Registered Holder literally possesses, owns, and holds, his stock or bond with his name appearing on the face of the certificate. The company that issued the certificate has registered the owner's (holder's) name on their official books. This is the safest way to own a paper asset. You literally possess the fully registered certificate and only you can transfer or sell it. By all Rights and definition of law, you are the owner. You have it, you hold it, you possess it, and you keep it. You have the complete control over it.
BENEFICIAL OWNER- A Beneficial Owner is nothing more than a beneficiary, "One who is entitled to the benefit of a contract"- A Dictionary of Law, 1893. All book-entry stocks and bonds you purchase make you the beneficial owner, not the registered holder. The owner of a book-entry stock or bond is the entity or name that it is registered under.
Even the name of the shadow company that is the agent of who knows, possibly the IMF according to this article: CEDE. Can you believe that. CEDE. I kills me.
CEDE- To surrender possession of, especially by treaty. See Synonyms at 'relinquish'." -American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 3rd Edition of 1992.
And that is just the plan, just as soon as everything gets a little more chaotic in our once static lives. Living in an Empire at it's peak is like living in the eye of the hurricane - and if you lived your whole life there under the still, blue skies, you really have no idea what is heading your way.
It's quite obvious that the stock markets are going to 'crash and burn' at some future date and for some 'unknown' reason... The Great Depression is about to be repeated, and it will be as deliberate and manipulated as the first one that began with the stock market crash of 1929. We are, without a doubt, on the brink of the Mother of all economic Depressions.
Remember, this was penned in 2003. Pretty prophetic in light of this weeks news. So, how does your portfolio look now?
Your broker sends you a fancy accounting every month of your purported holdings, along with dividend and interest payments paid. The fact is, you only receive the benefit of ownership (interest and dividends) without holding title to your property. You are at the mercy of the registered owner, the DTC. If you don't believe this is true, then call your broker right now and ask them who's name is listed as the Registered Holder of your book-entry stocks and bonds. If you're lucky, the broker will tell you "why of course you're the Beneficial Owner", then you'll know the truth. He may emphasize to you that the stocks and bonds are being held in "safe keeping" for your own protection. This is broker language for "your stocks and bonds are held by the DTC in their street name as the creditor".
I tried it, and they don't like to talk about it. At all. I had the feeling they did not understand it completely either, but they swore it was only for expedience and nothing sinister. Fine. But why a private company, and why all the cloak and dagger mystery surrounding what is purported to be the most regulated, the most transparent of all industries?
Luis Quilico
January 17th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Fudge packing? Sorry, couldn't help it:D
Zing!
Why is there so much secrecy in our financial system? Why is so much of the system, and our wealth, controlled by so few people who are so far removed from the law and the Constitution? And how is it they have been getting away with it for so long?
Of course, we both know the answer to your question:
"DTC is 35.1% owned by the New York Stock Exchange on behalf of the Exchange's members. It is operated by a separate management and has an independent board of directors. It is a limited purpose trust company and is a unit of the Federal Reserve." -New York Stock Exchange, Inc.
There we are.
Obviously, if stock and bond certificates you've purchased aren't in your name, then the "holder" (the Federal Reserve System) could theoretically refuse to surrender them back to you under a "national emergency" according to the Trading with the Enemy Act (as amended).
They could also just do this without providing a reason. Never forget that we're living under a lawless government wholly controlled by the influence of Israel and no small number of corporate entities.
Between the market crash and terrorism attacks, I don't think the powers that be will have too much trouble manufacturing more "national emergencies" with which to further erode our Constitutional Rights.
On the other hand, much of this will require one of the few things that kwans won't tolerate en masse: intrusion into their personal lives.
Remember the Patriot Act? They have not even begun to use that on us yet.
Heaven bless those GAWD-fearing Christian Conservatives.
Even the name of the shadow company that is the agent of who knows, possibly the IMF according to this article: CEDE. Can you believe that. CEDE. I kills me.
The name of their holding company, no less! Christ, it's like something from an Ian Fleming novel.
It's quite obvious that the stock markets are going to 'crash and burn' at some future date and for some 'unknown' reason... The Great Depression is about to be repeated, and it will be as deliberate and manipulated as the first one that began with the stock market crash of 1929. We are, without a doubt, on the brink of the Mother of all economic Depressions.
Gerald Celente has predicted this in some detail for over 18 months, now; he started to do so in 2007, when the liars on TV were discussing if a recession "might be on the horizon." Listen to the man: he predicted everything from the details of the demise of the Soviet Union and the '87 market crash to the dot com boom and bust to the bottled water craze. He knows his business.
Your broker sends you a fancy accounting every month of your purported holdings, along with dividend and interest payments paid. The fact is, you only receive the benefit of ownership (interest and dividends) without holding title to your property. You are at the mercy of the registered owner, the DTC. If you don't believe this is true, then call your broker right now and ask them who's name is listed as the Registered Holder of your book-entry stocks and bonds. If you're lucky, the broker will tell you "why of course you're the Beneficial Owner", then you'll know the truth. He may emphasize to you that the stocks and bonds are being held in "safe keeping" for your own protection. This is broker language for "your stocks and bonds are held by the DTC in their street name as the creditor".
I tried it, and they don't like to talk about it. At all. I had the feeling they did not understand it completely either, but they swore it was only for expedience and nothing sinister. Fine. But why a private company, and why all the cloak and dagger mystery surrounding what is purported to be the most regulated, the most transparent of all industries?
These are all perfectly reasonable questions. Thanks very much for all the information pertaining to the DTC; these posts are very illuminating.
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