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Blutfahne
08-23-2004, 11:54 AM
Just introducing myself...Hello! Am, I in the right place, for introductions?
Single White Mogul
08-23-2004, 12:16 PM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Just introducing myself...Hello! Am, I in the right place, for introductions?[/QUOTE]
Welcome to VNN! There isn't any set place for introductions, but the main forum is fine.
MOMUS
08-23-2004, 12:37 PM
I understand that there is a new rule confining new member posts to opposition or chuzpah lounge until after the first 50 posts.
Perhaps Blutfahne would like to start a thread there expressing his/her views on subjects central to VNN philosophy. Jewish effect on Western culture or Israeli involvement in 9-11/Iraq War would be appropriate topics.
[QUOTE=Single White Mogul]Welcome to VNN! There isn't any set place for introductions, but the main forum is fine.[/QUOTE]
Single White Mogul
08-23-2004, 12:52 PM
[QUOTE=MOMUS]I understand that there is a new rule confining new member posts to opposition or chuzpah lounge until after the first 50 posts.[/QUOTE]
Ah, that's right. FWIW, there's a regular poster at Stormfront with the same handle.
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-23-2004, 02:00 PM
welcome. given your handle I would like to help you introduce yourself by asking you three questions.
1) describe what "blutfahne" is. yes I know but our readers may not all know.
2) tell us why you chose that as your handle.
3) tell us what your views on the debate surrounding the use of Third Reich iconography in contemporary Wn propaganda.
Look forward to your reply!
R MacDonald
08-23-2004, 02:08 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]welcome. given your handle I would like to help you introduce yourself by asking you three questions.
1) describe what "blutfahne" is. yes I know but our readers may not all know.
2) tell us why you chose that as your handle.
3) tell us what your views on the debate surrounding the use of Third Reich iconography in contemporary Wn propaganda.
Look forward to your reply![/QUOTE]
Look at these bread boxes...
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?Keywords=breadbox&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dvacuum%2Bbreadbox%26ie%3Dutf%2D8%26oe%3Dutf%2D8
Tell us, which one is your favorite, and why?
Fritz Kuhn
08-23-2004, 02:08 PM
[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Be advised that if you disagree with something on here, no matter how insane it seems, people may accuse you of being a Jew. Just get used to it.[/QUOTE]
Except if you argue that alien lizards control the earth, in which case you will be welcomed as a white man with leadership potential.
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-23-2004, 02:19 PM
[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88]Look at these bread boxes...
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?Keywords=breadbox&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dvacuum%2Bbreadbox%26ie%3Dutf%2D8%26oe%3Dutf%2D8
Tell us, which one is your favorite, and why?[/QUOTE]
the stainless steel german one
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=207605
why? it looks cool. explanantion enough? your point?
lorrie1488
08-23-2004, 02:26 PM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Just introducing myself...Hello! Am, I in the right place, for introductions?[/QUOTE]
I know that you are a very educated person and you are looking for good discussions.
PLEASE keep in mind that almost every post here, people will be calling eachother [COLOR=DarkRed][SIZE=6]"KIKE WHORES"[/SIZE][/COLOR] (refer to Billy Bob).
99% of the threads here start out with good intentions and after about the 5th post it usually turns bad.
Good Luck.
[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Be advised that if you disagree with something on here, no matter how insane it seems, people may accuse you of being a Jew. Just get used to it.[/QUOTE]
Well, half of us will, the other half will call you a fag :rolleyes:
Welcome :)
Anima Eternae
08-23-2004, 03:02 PM
Be advised that if you disagree with something on here, no matter how insane it seems, people may accuse you of being a Jew. Just get used to it.
Sad, but true.
...
Rattle Head
08-23-2004, 03:19 PM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Just introducing myself...Hello! Am, I in the right place, for introductions?[/QUOTE]
Welcome, and please pay no attention to the Anima behind the curtain.
[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Sad, but true.
...[/QUOTE]
I didn't hear anyone saying that AE was a jew. He is about the only person here that never has been called a jew. Kuhn and Slovjanski are our pet jews here, we keep them around for sparring purposes.
Bragi
08-23-2004, 05:40 PM
[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Be advised that if you disagree with something on here, no matter how insane it seems, people may accuse you of being a Jew. Just get used to it.[/QUOTE]
This is an absurd exxageration. If it debates like a jew, reasons like a jew, and acts like a jew, chances are, it's a jew.
I've already made the point that 2.5% of 300 million is still a lot of people. And we all know the jews favorite pastime when bored is seeing what the neo net Nazis and white power goy are up to. That means there is a pool of approximately 7 million jews, nearly all of them with net access, who merely have to google "death to the jews" to find this fine forum quickly and easily.
Then the juden critter is drawn into first lurking and then later posing as a white and stirring as much shit as they can. Hence certain posters proclivity and talent for hunting them down mercilessly and verbally stomping them repeatedly.
I'm not overestimating VNNF's importance by any means, but the fact is we are on their radar (see 'VNN in the news' thread) and there is no doubt in my mind that plenty of anti-free speech thought police are keeping close tabs on our discussions. Just like the hundreds of other racialist websites and racists out there.
Most of us debate politely and tend to agree. But there are some real hardheads who exasperate the hell out of some here. I for one have never hurled this epithet at anyone because most jew lovers take being called a jew as a bleedin' compliment.
R MacDonald
08-23-2004, 09:52 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]the stainless steel german one
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=207605
why? it looks cool. explanantion enough? your point?[/QUOTE]
Just messing with the newbie... :)
R MacDonald
08-23-2004, 09:54 PM
[QUOTE=lorrie1488]I know that you are a very educated person and you are looking for good discussions.[/QUOTE]
And just how do you know that?
lorrie1488
08-23-2004, 10:23 PM
[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88]And just how do you know that?[/QUOTE]
Because we talked occasionally a few months back and I know a little bit about him. :confused: is that a good enough answer? If not i will try to think of something better.
sean(doc)martin
08-23-2004, 10:25 PM
Wow 999 there has been a lot of people on your case as of late, what's up with that?
As Bragi aptly said:
If it debates like a jew, reasons like a jew, and acts like a jew, chances are, it's a jew.
I am refining that a little and will publish a small essay called "How to spot a jew on VNN" soon. I guess the kikenvermin is feeling the heat.
Blutfahne
08-24-2004, 09:03 AM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]welcome. given your handle I would like to help you introduce yourself by asking you three questions.[/QUOTE]
Sure, why not!
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
1) describe what "blutfahne" is. yes I know but our readers may not all know.
[/QUOTE]
Blutfahne is German For Blood Flag. It was a famous third Reich flag, used to give all of the other flags in the third Reich their power(once it touched them in a ceremony) from the fallen dead who bleed upon it. At the Beer Hall Putsch(Hitler's aborted revolt against the Bavarian Government). Several songs mentioning the flag include but are not limited too, Blutfahne Hock..Which in English means "Raise the Blood Flag!"
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
2) tell us why you chose that as your handle.[/QUOTE]
I chose this handle as I am an American of Bavarian descent. I also, know several(very old) people at my German Club, who lost their homes in East Prussia(modern Ukraine) in World War 2. Two of them were in the German Army at the battle of Stalingrad.
But, my personal reasons are the sustaining dream of White Unity. The preservation of our blood. The Rebirth of our future. Be it a Dictatorship or an elected government!
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
3) tell us what your views on the debate surrounding the use of Third Reich iconography in contemporary Wn propaganda.[/QUOTE]
I feel that it is difficult for any White Nationalist group to use Third Reich material for recruiting. However, as a traditionalist I think that hardened White Nationalists can be worked into Third Reich iconography, for use at our concerts and other endavours.
The main stream public however, has been brainwashed to such an extent(In America, I understand Russia uses it to great effect), that they can't have Swastikas thrust into their faces, and be expected to listen to our ideas. They have to be worked up into it!
Blutfahne
08-24-2004, 09:05 AM
[QUOTE=R MacDonald 14-88]Look at these bread boxes...
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodli.asp?Keywords=breadbox&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dvacuum%2Bbreadbox%26ie%3Dutf%2D8%26oe%3Dutf%2D8
Tell us, which one is your favorite, and why?[/QUOTE]
The German one, it looks like it can roast more Jews :p opps, did I say that?
Blutfahne
08-24-2004, 09:07 AM
P.S. Am I allowed to Swear?
albion
08-24-2004, 09:59 AM
http://www.geocities.com/herrvermylen/Bloodflag.jpg
Hitler holding the "bloodflag".
A early 30's or late 20's picture
Rattle Head
08-24-2004, 11:33 AM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]P.S. Am I allowed to Swear?[/QUOTE]
Only in [size=7]HUGE BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS.[/size]
Napoleon
08-24-2004, 11:52 AM
Are you the same Blutfahne at Stormfront? The world could use more National Alliance members in law school.
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-24-2004, 11:53 AM
no swearing or epithets in the area marked "civil forum"
Blutfahne
08-24-2004, 12:53 PM
[QUOTE=Napoleon]Are you the same Blutfahne at Stormfront? The world could use more National Alliance members in law school.[/QUOTE]
Of course...The one and only!
Blutfahne
08-24-2004, 12:56 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]no swearing or epithets in the area marked "civil forum"[/QUOTE]
But, I can say things like Penquin Shit, HERE! :D
Sweet!!!
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-24-2004, 01:26 PM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Of course...The one and only![/QUOTE]
Do yourself a favor. 1) Keep your real name off the internet.
2) If you are a National Alliance member you should quit. At some point you will have a character and fitness examination and you dont want to be sitting there trying to explain why you are a member of this organization and shouldnt end up like Matt Hale.
I could give you ten other reasons to quit but that's the only one you need based on what you've just said.
Beyond that I would say, keep your head down, your mouth shut, and max out both your GPA and anything you can do to develop your future professional opportunities. Learn to keep a poker face and lie like a fucking rug if you absolutely have too, and then only if it cant be proven otherwise.
If you take my advice, you will be thankful. Then at some future time, you can pay your race back your thanks in spades.
One more thing, if you havent read "Might is Right" read it now.
Blutfahne
08-24-2004, 07:00 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Do yourself a favor. 1) Keep your real name off the internet.
2) If you are a National Alliance member you should quit. At some point you will have a character and fitness examination and you dont want to be sitting there trying to explain why you are a member of this organization and shouldnt end up like Matt Hale.
I could give you ten other reasons to quit but that's the only one you need based on what you've just said.
Beyond that I would say, keep your head down, your mouth shut, and max out both your GPA and anything you can do to develop your future professional opportunities. Learn to keep a poker face and lie like a fucking rug if you absolutely have too, and then only if it cant be proven otherwise.
If you take my advice, you will be thankful. Then at some future time, you can pay your race back your thanks in spades.
One more thing, if you havent read "Might is Right" read it now.[/QUOTE]
Nice try, however....I'm staying and I'm building a future. They won't drop me, I'm not as famous as Matt Hale...
Two, I never mention my name on the internet;)
Sorry, guys I wont sit around and wait for the future, to make itself..I'm going to do something about it. If that costs me the bar, or a little money. So be it...Thats the reason, I'm even in law school anyway..
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-24-2004, 11:32 PM
whaddaya mean nice try? just giving you a piece of advice I wasnt asking you to buzz off. do whatever you like-
Blutfahne
08-25-2004, 10:24 AM
Sorry...:(
I have heard conflicting stories about VNN...
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-25-2004, 12:03 PM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Sorry...:(
I have heard conflicting stories about VNN...[/QUOTE]
OK spell them out and we'll let you know what rings true or false.
Blutfahne
08-25-2004, 12:52 PM
1. There is a lot of Anti-National Alliance, sentiment here?
2. The swearing borders on porn star, qualities?
3. Its easy to "let down ones hair" here?
MOMUS
08-25-2004, 01:23 PM
It seems that you entirely missed AE's point. Nobody here is attacking you...yet. AE was giving good advice. To go beyond graduate level in today's academia you must fly under the radar of the jews who absolutely control advancement there. They have the power to allow advancement only to those whose utterances they approve. That is true in all liberal arts fields and likely especially true for one pursuing a law degree. Not everyone can do it, suppress their true opinion and hew to the PC, jew-approved mind-set.
If you want that law degree you better seriously consider what he said.
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Nice try, however....I'm staying and I'm building a future. They won't drop me, I'm not as famous as Matt Hale...
Two, I never mention my name on the internet;)
Sorry, guys I wont sit around and wait for the future, to make itself..I'm going to do something about it. If that costs me the bar, or a little money. So be it...Thats the reason, I'm even in law school anyway..[/QUOTE]
Single White Mogul
08-25-2004, 01:34 PM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]1. There is a lot of Anti-National Alliance, sentiment here?
2. The swearing borders on porn star, qualities?
3. Its easy to "let down ones hair" here?[/QUOTE]
1 is true
The NA is criticized a lot for its leadership
2 is false
Things are generally civil
3 is true
There's very little moderation
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-25-2004, 05:14 PM
I would qualify that VNN has a core of ex NA folks who were ardent followers of Doctor Pierce and do not agree with the many directions things have been taken in his absence. Go read the threads and you can be the judge of whether the stalwarts here like Fred Streed and White Will and several other former key playes are "anti NA" or rather it is the current "gang" that is anti-NA for doing certain things described here at length.
In my view, Fred Streed and White Will and others, are very pro NA.
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-25-2004, 05:24 PM
btw thanks Momus.
Blutfahne, WN is long on ideas and short on money and short on organizational and business competence. For you and anybody else reading, if you want to do something long term positive, do something long term positive in your own life like become the next Bill Gates or whatever.
If you dont give a shit about the money route, but seek glory instead, as you may have surmised we have need for lawyers with expertise in criminal defense as persecutions, entrapments and railroadings a la David Duke or Matt Hale are likely to continue. I would recommend you not only bust your ass to get good grades but try to volunteer at a criminal defense clinic or perhaps the federal public defender's office during the summer. Most such cases will occur in federal court for obvious reasons, LOL! Dont bother fussing about getting some boolie "let off on a tehcnicality" focus on learning "the technicalities" for the day when you can get a White guy off!
lorrie1488
08-25-2004, 08:19 PM
[QUOTE=Single White Mogul]1 is true
The NA is criticized a lot for its leadership
2 is false
Things are generally civil
3 is true
There's very little moderation[/QUOTE]
Its very different than SF......you either love it or hate it...join the uncensored group who usually default from SF because its boring and you found a place where you can finally speak your mind...WELCOME!
Everyone here is "unusual".
Single White Mogul
08-25-2004, 09:17 PM
Its very different than SF......you either love it or hate it...join the uncensored group who usually default from SF because its boring and you found a place where you can finally speak your mind...WELCOME!
Thanks. Or was that for Blutfahne?
Everyone here is "unusual".
Yep, that's a large part of what makes this place so fun.
lorrie1488
08-25-2004, 09:30 PM
[QUOTE=Single White Mogul]Thanks. Or was that for Blutfahne?
yep...that was for him..................................................................... :rolleyes:
my usual ditzy self, Its nothing new here.
Blutfahne
08-26-2004, 08:06 AM
[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]Bluhtfahne, East Prussia is modern day Poland and Kalingrad(Russian Federation), not Ukraine. Did you mean Galicia(Austro-Hungarian Empire)?[/QUOTE]
No no, these are Germans who lived in Modern Day Northern Ukraine. They considered themselves East Prussian..They put it on the map for me, it was all absorbed into The USSR after the War! I can find the book they wrote. Somewhere, I will look for the fliar ;) I think Amazon.com sells their book. For some reason they came to Michigan...
Maybe, the engineering and auto industry?
Blutfahne
08-26-2004, 08:11 AM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]I would qualify that VNN has a core of ex NA folks who were ardent followers of Doctor Pierce and do not agree with the many directions things have been taken in his absence. Go read the threads and you can be the judge of whether the stalwarts here like Fred Streed and White Will and several other former key playes are "anti NA" or rather it is the current "gang" that is anti-NA for doing certain things described here at length.
In my view, Fred Streed and White Will and others, are very pro NA.[/QUOTE]
I believe in White Unity. As a Law Student, I don't really have time to read long manifestos of why some former members don't like the NA. I think we are all in this together and the only things I have heard otherwise, sound really stupid.
Such as, someone has a weak voice, or that guy might be gay, someone else is dark..It soooo petty, I just can't imagine, its going to sway me one way or the other. We are all White Nationalists, why can't we work together???
Some of the advice, I have heard so far...Was, give it all up and make a lot of money...That just sounds self serving and I remember Dr. Pierce mentioning that we will occasionally have to give up some money, to advance the cause. You guys haven't forgotten that, have you?
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-26-2004, 10:24 AM
Hmm. Is that what they say in NA these days? That this is about such petty complaints as a whiny voice? LOL That is funny.
Well maybe you havent reached your second year law class called "corporations" but when you do you will remember this conversation.
For the basic story, you dont need to read long manifestos. here is my summary, gleaned entirely from Jenab's account and what others have posted publically at this board. http://www.jabpage.org/ select "decline of the NA"
NA was incorporated as a nonprofit controlled by the board.
Membership had no votes, only the board. No stockholders. (The thing was later denied 501c3 status and you can read about that in US v National Alliance which I have posted here before in a completely different context and conversation. Still, it was governed by the board votes.)
WLP was the incorporator. he appointed the board. of course they followed his leadership.
When he died there were certain people on the board: Fred Streed, Ms K, and Gleebe. I dont know if Dr Demarais was just treasurer or treasurer and board member.
Gleebe was elected chief officer by this board.
Dr D raised questions concerning corporate governance and Gleebe; later those questions were raised by Fred. Gleebe was not "responsive." Shenanigans ensued; but as often happens, the meaner, less principled party won out. Maybe this wouldnt have happened, if the majortiy of the board of had decided early on to OUST and FIRE Gleebe instead of trying to work with him in a "UNITY" or BROTHERLY fashion. This left them vulnerable and the other guy roaming free to do mischief. Consequently, he went on the attack and grossly exceeded his authority in various different ways and bullied Fred into resigning, which left him "mano a mano" with Ms K who at a late stage tried to take the situation back in hand. Gleebe was successful in bullying her off too. Another big win for the "Aryan Barbarian" who successfully KO'd a very nice gal who was a longtime helper of Dr Pierce. Then he packed the board with his stooges. (I sometimes wonder, maybe Gleebe is the stooge, and there is a hand manipulating him that is not seen.) Shortly, other Pierce stalwarts are being fired and mismanagement compounds the tale of woe of corporate malfeasance.
At some stage reality sets in on people and they start coming here and telling their side of the story. Luckily, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered: the cabal finally sued Dr D. We shall see where the chips land. That is not my fight but it would be a good thing if every NA member here they would QUIT NA until a settlement is made with BOTH Dr D and Fred Streed, if ever. At that time, if ever, you can trust that NA will be back on the right track and not a second sooner.
"Unity--" HA! The people who always cry unity are the ones who are fucking up in their leadership role and dont want to field criticism. Mark ye that. NA was different and capable of pulling people in, in part because it eschewed "unity" with the "freaks and weaklings" of the clownish WN "movement." That has definitely been lost.
The bottom line is one board member ousted the others and ended up with the whole kit and caboodle. So if you pump money into NA at this time, you might as well just give it to Gleebe directly because the corporate governance of NA is a sham.
LOL, what's more, and I have never stated this before, is what effect does it have when a corporate governance is not handled properly? What happens when it becomes an alter ego of the owner? Query that term in your lawbooks, and you will see that sooner or later that might have implications not only for Gleebe- but for anybody who is involved, as a member.
PS how much can lawyers make in a corporate malfeasance type case for a entity of the relatively small size of NA? oh, from complaint to discovery to summary judgment, minimum 10K, usually more like 20 or 30, and if you had claims go to adjudication in front of bench or jury-- try 50 or up from there.
LOL, now that gives you some idea of both the COST of straightening this fuckup out as a potential plaintiff, and also the COST of defending it.
What's really sad here is that once NA was a truth telling organization. Now it has become an organization that the primary act is deceiving its own membership about these corporate governance issues. How now can NA fill its educational role for the membership when so much is oriented towards deception of the membership?
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-26-2004, 11:01 AM
In the big picture, Whites will get over this, just like they did when the ridiculous Matt Keohl took over after GLR croaked. Matt Koehl who turned it into a Hitlerian cult and his the ashes of Savitri Devi in some kind of little shrine. LOL
Who emerged out of GLR's group? I know of nobody worth remembering at this time other than WLP who was not even a member. The good news is that the old NA spawned hundreds of people who are active in WN in small ways and that impact will be as big of a seeding operation as the Birchers were in the sixties.
I think that people not directly involved with the NA governance problem should orient their focus to other projects and make constructive use of their time and energy. If people want to support the effort to straighten that mess out then they can easily contact Fred or Dr Demarais and offer whatever of value they have to contribute. Meanwhile I try and say as little about this sad incident as possible.
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Sorry...:(
I have heard conflicting stories about VNN...[/QUOTE]Good call on coming over to check things out for yourself.
VNN doesn't have the insane level of a circle jerk clique or moderators on power trips that SF has. Even if the moderators hate what you have to say, if it's within the board guidelines, it stays. Threads don't get closed just because one moderator deems the topic to not be important enough or to his liking. If the thread is in the wrong section, it may be moved, but that's about it.
Anyway, welcome.
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
Who emerged out of GLR's group? I know of nobody worth remembering at this time other than WLP who was not even a member. The good news is that the old NA spawned hundreds of people who are active in WN in small ways and that impact will be as big of a seeding operation as the Birchers were in the sixties.
[/QUOTE]
David Duke, Ralph Forbes (West Coast ANP leader, ran for office in Arkansas after GLR assasinated), and I am sure there are others, it will take time to recall.
Bear in mind that this was almost 40 years ago, and many of Rockwell's people are retired/old/deceased or keeping a lower profile, and the ANP was not yet a "mass movement" by any means. Pastor Butler of AN was a friend and contemporary of GLR, for instance, and I know that Allen Vincent, the SF leader, died a few years ago.
Blutfahne
08-26-2004, 06:41 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Hmm. Is that what they say in NA these days? That this is about such petty complaints as a whiny voice? LOL That is funny.
Well maybe you havent reached your second year law class called "corporations" but when you do you will remember this conversation.
For the basic story, you dont need to read long manifestos. here is my summary, gleaned entirely from Jenab's account and what others have posted publically at this board. http://www.jabpage.org/ select "decline of the NA"
NA was incorporated as a nonprofit controlled by the board.
Membership had no votes, only the board. No stockholders. (The thing was later denied 501c3 status and you can read about that in US v National Alliance which I have posted here before in a completely different context and conversation. Still, it was governed by the board votes.)
WLP was the incorporator. he appointed the board. of course they followed his leadership.
When he died there were certain people on the board: Fred Streed, Ms K, and Gleebe. I dont know if Dr Demarais was just treasurer or treasurer and board member.
Gleebe was elected chief officer by this board.
Dr D raised questions concerning corporate governance and Gleebe; later those questions were raised by Fred. Gleebe was not "responsive." Shenanigans ensued; but as often happens, the meaner, less principled party won out. Maybe this wouldnt have happened, if the majortiy of the board of had decided early on to OUST and FIRE Gleebe instead of trying to work with him in a "UNITY" or BROTHERLY fashion. This left them vulnerable and the other guy roaming free to do mischief. Consequently, he went on the attack and grossly exceeded his authority in various different ways and bullied Fred into resigning, which left him "mano a mano" with Ms K who at a late stage tried to take the situation back in hand. Gleebe was successful in bullying her off too. Another big win for the "Aryan Barbarian" who successfully KO'd a very nice gal who was a longtime helper of Dr Pierce. Then he packed the board with his stooges. (I sometimes wonder, maybe Gleebe is the stooge, and there is a hand manipulating him that is not seen.) Shortly, other Pierce stalwarts are being fired and mismanagement compounds the tale of woe of corporate malfeasance.
At some stage reality sets in on people and they start coming here and telling their side of the story. Luckily, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered: the cabal finally sued Dr D. We shall see where the chips land. That is not my fight but it would be a good thing if every NA member here they would QUIT NA until a settlement is made with BOTH Dr D and Fred Streed, if ever. At that time, if ever, you can trust that NA will be back on the right track and not a second sooner.
"Unity--" HA! The people who always cry unity are the ones who are fucking up in their leadership role and dont want to field criticism. Mark ye that. NA was different and capable of pulling people in, in part because it eschewed "unity" with the "freaks and weaklings" of the clownish WN "movement." That has definitely been lost.
The bottom line is one board member ousted the others and ended up with the whole kit and caboodle. So if you pump money into NA at this time, you might as well just give it to Gleebe directly because the corporate governance of NA is a sham.
LOL, what's more, and I have never stated this before, is what effect does it have when a corporate governance is not handled properly? What happens when it becomes an alter ego of the owner? Query that term in your lawbooks, and you will see that sooner or later that might have implications not only for Gleebe- but for anybody who is involved, as a member.
PS how much can lawyers make in a corporate malfeasance type case for a entity of the relatively small size of NA? oh, from complaint to discovery to summary judgment, minimum 10K, usually more like 20 or 30, and if you had claims go to adjudication in front of bench or jury-- try 50 or up from there.
LOL, now that gives you some idea of both the COST of straightening this fuckup out as a potential plaintiff, and also the COST of defending it.
What's really sad here is that once NA was a truth telling organization. Now it has become an organization that the primary act is deceiving its own membership about these corporate governance issues. How now can NA fill its educational role for the membership when so much is oriented towards deception of the membership?[/QUOTE]
Seems petty. Oh God what is happening, to my big $10/month! Com'on guys. In my town like many others. The NA, is the only show in town. By fighting us, you are fighting everyone, and the Jew loves it! Our Unit, pretty much does our own thing...There is almost no interference from the National office. We do everything we can to promote White Nationalism.
When you fight my town, and most of the other towns, that only have National Alliance. You are fighting the world. We are just too big, I think you should try and change things from the inside. That is my opinion!
You have to be optimistic, in White Nationalism, or nothing will get done. It will all remain stagnant!
hateemall
08-26-2004, 06:43 PM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]Just introducing myself...Hello! Am, I in the right place, for introductions?[/QUOTE]
We've chatted on Stormfront.
The Mods here seem pretty cool. :D
Antiochus Epiphanes
08-26-2004, 06:44 PM
well as ayn rand said, judge ye and be judged.
Auschwitz_Part_II
08-27-2004, 02:03 AM
[QUOTE=Blutfahne]1. There is a lot of Anti-National Alliance, sentiment here?
2. The swearing borders on porn star, qualities?
3. Its easy to "let down ones hair" here?[/QUOTE]
What would constitute "porn star qualities"? Motherfucker, cocksmoker, bitch, pussy, asslicker, things like that?
by the way, welcome
Blutfahne
08-27-2004, 01:12 PM
[QUOTE=Auschwitz_Part_II]What would constitute "porn star qualities"? Motherfucker, cocksmoker, bitch, pussy, asslicker, things like that?
by the way, welcome[/QUOTE]
Not sure, thats what I am here to find out?
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