To Alex at VNN, patriots and revisionistics:

Aryan-Western Honesty and Substance Is What and How Jew Will Lose
(Apollonian, Aug 04)

I see Mr. "outis" strikes again (Aug 26 VNN ltrs section) and challenges as to consider "what must be done." And I'd like to reply forthrightly; it's good, excellent question indeed, deserving of straightforward, matter-of-fact answer. First we ought to deliver clearer, more honest exposition, saying exactly what, how, and why. Allow me to demonstrate.

"Outis" should drop and leave off with his Talmudistical style. For unfortunately Mr. "outis" continues his indirect, somewhat underhanded methodology as he couches so much of what he says so presumptuously and prejudicially, implying for example, I sell "thought-escapes," etc. "Outis," u gotta face fact u "need a leg to stand on," buddy. For ur first, thesis, sentence to effect I'm not agreed on essential "no Jews--just right" idea is not supported or justified by ur exposition--yet another empty platitude of urs, I must observe. Conclusions need premises, and premises have to be substantiated by sense perception much as honestly possible. Foundation upon such objective reality as given by Aristotelian-styled sense perception is what substantiates and informs the honesty of the Western-Aryan against the pretended "intelligence" and ultimate pretentious emptiness of the Jew.

Thus we see the perfidy of the Jew: lies, frauds, hoaxes--but not only this. For the Jew madness entails an entire COMPLEX of lies, frauds, etc. Thus we see the Judaic MAMMONIST culture of HUBRIS, thus SUBJECTIVISM, hence "hate-crime," fascism, and "perpetual war for perpetual peace." Thus even though these Jews are really so sublimely insane, their madness and mammonism works when otherwise honest gentiles go along and support it so willingly as "the greatest generation" ("gg") of PELAGIANISTS did for them in Worlld War II. Observe then how the gg operates: they will take part in "loving little lies" and fictions as so many of them are verified fm polls as agreeing, for example, Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9-11 attacks, etc. See, the gg is persuaded by the Jews-media they're "morally-virtuous" for so Pelagianistically believing and pretending (SUBJECTIVISM).

Hence we see the ABSTRACT problem: Judaic subjectivism and Pharisaist moralism, thence Pelagianism, working and acting upon gentile hubris and dishonesty.

Thence SPECIFICALLY AND PRACTICALLY, more down-to-earth, we see that particular little fraud which actually gives these Pharisee/Pelagians all their worldly power: the fractional-reserve money and banking instrument, the Federal Reserve Bank ("Fed"). By this means (the Fed) they run their frauds, wage their wars, operate their mass-media and disinformation machine, and corrupt the political, educational, and judicial systems.

Thus we map out the problem, and in so doing we consider our counter-program and -action. We thus move fm abstract to most practical. Additionally, by such careful and judicious mapping, analysis, and calculation we avoid rash and unwise over-reaction and precipitate resorts to violence--as was pretext for pre-emption whereby our compatriot Matt Hale was framed and railroaded, for example, please note.

Thus we provide most useful information not only for our own people but for all honest and potential enemies of the Jews/Pharisaics/Pelagians. For we can truly use all the help we can get, and don't doubt there are good and honest people of other non-Judaic races who aren't necessarily enemies of the white race and who genuinely have sympathy for justice similar to our own folk. For the point in defense is to do the most to hamper, oppose, and injure the enemy, the Pharisaics/Pelagians.

Hence it is the Aryan/Western-Judaic/Pharisaic antithesis is PERFECTLY PARALLEL to OBJECTIVE vs. SUBJECTIVE--thus we understand things most perfectly in the abstract. Pelagianism is the particular component disease of wayward gentiles fatally affected by the Jews/Pharisees, understood in the abstract, a mere particular form of the more general HUBRIS, the Spenglerian "Decline of the West." Thus Pelagianism is absolutely thematic, essential, and crucial for the problem as to "what must be done." If "outis" disagrees he needs to present a rational, coherent, honest argument, conclusion following fm verifiable premises, rather than the Pharisaic/Pelagian-styled prejudice-ridden, presumption, empty allegations, and unfounded assertions he's profferred heretofore and so far.

Thus practical, political measures consistent with such OBJECTIVISTIC ideal are what is required: strict construction and observance of the US Constitution and rule-of-law, emphasis upon state and local government against the imperialist, fascist oligarchy, election of Senators by state legislators, strict paper-trail for elections, jury-nullification, arming of the citizenry and militias, popular election of judges, etc.

CONCLUSION: Yes, the Jews are a primary problem, but don't doubt hubris is general human pitfall, and even were Jews totally eliminated the general hubristic problem, subjectivism, would remain and re-arise. The mixed-race mysticism operating and feeding upon inferiority-complex would again concoct that devilish Pharisaic self-righteousness to plague the world and humanity. Hence we attack the problem best as we analyze so accurately first of all. Eliminating particular Jews and Pharisees is what needs be done surely, but thinking things out is a necessary preliminary which we must not fail to do, and which best insures the job is done right, once and for all.

Sincerely, A., combat-scholar/theologian-of-giftedness, Christian-patriot

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]To Alex at VNN, patriots and revisionistics:

Aryan-Western Honesty and Substance Is What and How Jew Will Lose
(Apollonian, Aug 04)

I see Mr. "outis" strikes again (Aug 26 VNN ltrs section) and challenges as to consider "what must be done." And I'd like to reply forthrightly; it's good, excellent question indeed, deserving of straightforward, matter-of-fact answer. First we ought to deliver clearer, more honest exposition, saying exactly what, how, and why. Allow me to demonstrate.

"Outis" should drop and leave off with his Talmudistical style. For unfortunately Mr. "outis" continues his indirect, somewhat underhanded methodology as he couches so much of what he says so presumptuously and prejudicially, implying for example, I sell "thought-escapes," etc. "Outis," u gotta face fact u "need a leg to stand on," buddy. For ur first, thesis, sentence to effect I'm not agreed on essential "no Jews--just right" idea is not supported or justified by ur exposition--yet another empty platitude of urs, I must observe. Conclusions need premises, and premises have to be substantiated by sense perception much as honestly possible. Foundation upon such objective reality as given by Aristotelian-styled sense perception is what substantiates and informs the honesty of the Western-Aryan against the pretended "intelligence" and ultimate pretentious emptiness of the Jew.

[snip]

Thus we map out the problem, and in so doing we consider our counter-program and -action. We thus move fm abstract to most practical. Additionally, by such careful and judicious mapping, analysis, and calculation we avoid rash and unwise over-reaction and precipitate resorts to violence--as was pretext for pre-emption whereby our compatriot Matt Hale was framed and railroaded, for example, please note.

Thus we provide most useful information not only for our own people but for all honest and potential enemies of the Jews/Pharisaics/Pelagians. For we can truly use all the help we can get, and don't doubt there are good and honest people of other non-Judaic races who aren't necessarily enemies of the white race and who genuinely have sympathy for justice similar to our own folk. For the point in defense is to do the most to hamper, oppose, and injure the enemy, the Pharisaics/Pelagians.

Hence it is the Aryan/Western-Judaic/Pharisaic antithesis is PERFECTLY PARALLEL to OBJECTIVE vs. SUBJECTIVE--thus we understand things most perfectly in the abstract. Pelagianism is the particular component disease of wayward gentiles fatally affected by the Jews/Pharisees, understood in the abstract, a mere particular form of the more general HUBRIS, the Spenglerian "Decline of the West." Thus Pelagianism is absolutely thematic, essential, and crucial for the problem as to "what must be done." If "outis" disagrees he needs to present a rational, coherent, honest argument, conclusion following fm verifiable premises, rather than the Pharisaic/Pelagian-styled prejudice-ridden, presumption, empty allegations, and unfounded assertions he's profferred heretofore and so far.

Thus practical, political measures consistent with such OBJECTIVISTIC ideal are what is required: strict construction and observance of the US Constitution and rule-of-law, emphasis upon state and local government against the imperialist, fascist oligarchy, election of Senators by state legislators, strict paper-trail for elections, jury-nullification, arming of the citizenry and militias, popular election of judges, etc.

CONCLUSION: Yes, the Jews are a primary problem, but don't doubt hubris is general human pitfall, and even were Jews totally eliminated the general hubristic problem, subjectivism, would remain and re-arise. The mixed-race mysticism operating and feeding upon inferiority-complex would again concoct that devilish Pharisaic self-righteousness to plague the world and humanity. Hence we attack the problem best as we analyze so accurately first of all. Eliminating particular Jews and Pharisees is what needs be done surely, but thinking things out is a necessary preliminary which we must not fail to do, and which best insures the job is done right, once and for all.

Sincerely, A., combat-scholar/theologian-of-giftedness, Christian-patriot[/QUOTE]

I cannot figure out why Linder indulges this self-righteous, self-involved, blustering idiocy. And I cannot possibly be the only reader to scratch his head at this conundrum. A little brother perhaps? Only that could, for me, justify posting the ravings of this hot-headed Crusader of Nonsense. I mean, I don't even care -- if he wants to lump me with "Pelagians" and Jews, ok; I can think of a dozen Jewish authors I'd rather take pains to slog through than this chap's contradictory, self-important nonsense. Even if I were to agree that analysis is "what must be done" first - and I vehemently mark analysis as an idle pasttime which has for too long kept us dickinhand, a refuge of the idle and weak, of the cowardly and vain - I would rather jump off a bridge than have a guy like this at the helm; I would rather bomb every White country on this Earth if the Intellectual Savior of the Aryan Race is Apollonian, Christian theologian and combat-scholar(TM). A thousand times I would rather bury my wittle head in some African cesspool or sandpit than read or listen to this bookworm's stilted, boring, vain, evasive, semantically and philosophically retarded and just plain fucking WRONG blather. You would sooner see me breeding with a Jewess, playing cards with a nigger, eating Chinese food every day of the week, and screwing around by the backdoor of a gay nightclub than permitting this little dimwit to think he has an ounce of intellectual credibility: with guys like this thinking they're the Next Big Thing in White Thought and Salvation(TM), is it any wonder we are doomed? Yes, please: flush us all down the toilet, if all we have to show for ourselves is the Christian combat-theologian Apollonian, with his, many, incessant, unstoppable commas -- and -- u know, pitiable mispelings cuz he hasn't been to school, as he , likes to -- reminds us (Pelagians!!!)))!)!!

Wait, I;'l be, oBkective, ok? I will. Just for Apollonian: if you want Objectivity, here it is: I don't care. I have wasted enough time with vain hermetic-bookworms like you and I will waste no more with you in particular. You are a stain on VNN, a stain on the White race, a stain on the history of White people with brains; that Linder tolerates, even promotes this nonsense, would be a strong objection, an Objective Objection, against his integrity as an editor, if we did not bear in mind that he is giving room for we who have no voice in the modern world, come what may.

So take this as a personal Byebye, Fuckwit: No more attention paid to your juvenile bookworming from this corner. While those of us with balls are seeking the only real combat which will have some effect, you will still be reading your books and talking about the descendants of the little Irish monk Pelagius, who, I think, would be more than a little puzzled at all this finger-pointing you give him. You think you've solved everything and all you've solved is your own need to feel like a Great and Important Thinker. Fine! You can have it. Every lazy sonofabitch reading Devi and Evola can have it, too, what the fuck do I care? I wasn't even talking to you, but of course, as the self-important fuckwit you are, you took it personally, because it was indeed indirectly aimed at you and everyone else in the "WN movement" who'd rather read books than kill Jews, because if that's the trend, if Devi is our refuge and not blood, fuck our Aryan race, and fuck caring about it! Why do any of us give a shit about what Savitri Devi says? Oooooh boy, she was Greek but English but pan-German but lived in India! How coooool -- and how multicultural! Spengler, Evola, Keyserling, Devi, Celine, blah blah blah blah. What will any author avail us if we get any lower? are we not low enough that reading these puerile authors should seem like a waste of precious time? HUBRIS, HUBRIS! That is killing us. Get rid of the Jew, we're still Subjectivists! Oh man, we're fucked!

Yes, yes indeed we are fucked, and it's because of shitheads like you, Apollonian, and not because I don't like you, but because you are a vain little coward who hides behind concepts like they're some kind of layered oxhide shield you can use to repulse the onslaught of the muds and the lightning of the Jews. Would that concepts were so mighty! Would to Zeus himself, my boy.

But hey, so what! So long as Antiochus is married and Apollonian is fighting Pelagians, the White Race is in good hands! Let none of us put our own hides on the line. Let none of us dare to do more than "theorize" - far, far below the level set by Jewish liars - let us do no more than "analyze" and crack jokes and talk about haplotypes and are Iranians really white? By God, that is the way to fight! forcefield victory, ho!

If you had an ounce of objectivity concerning yourself, you'd have picked up something from what I wrote, instead of using it for your own "combative" pleasure. Go on, all of you, keep plundering your "radical traditions" and mining the Baghavad-Gita for little gems of old Aryan wisdom; it's very charming and the Jews are very pleased to see you occupied with such harmless activities. It's not like the fate of our race and that of the entire world depends on how much we dare in our own, unimportant, personal lives. Allahu akbar for making a guy who signs his letters "theologian-of-giftedness".
Sheesh!

And shalom,
Outis

[QUOTE=MrOutis].........

But hey, so what! So long as Antiochus is married and Apollonian is fighting Pelagians, the White Race is in good hands! Let none of us put our own hides on the line. Let none of us dare to do more than "theorize" - far, far below the level set by Jewish liars - let us do no more than "analyze" and crack jokes and talk about haplotypes and are Iranians really white? By God, that is the way to fight! forcefield victory, ho!
..............
And shalom,
Outis[/QUOTE]

Hey what the hell are you talking about man? your own writing is as confusing as the other fellow.

And why are you bringing me up? I'm not Mr Apollo although you clearly have us confused. And what are pissing on Julius Evola for? All these things you're jousting at are good topics of discussion. That's what the forum is for. Discussion. What people "do" may be quite a bit which you may be unaware of. All that macho man shit you're talking about tends to get into the illegal very quickly and in case you havent noticed, people who want to talk big about illegal shit are usually either incompetent or informants. I'm not saying that's you, but I'm saying that's a general rule and if when you want to talk big about macho stuff people dont hop into the driver's seat at your command, keep in mind that they may be exercising prudence.

One more thing. You got a problem talking about my marriage or something? You mind your own business Otis. My marriage is not your business.

One more thing. I only have so much time in the day to do my work thing and also participate at VNN. Consequently I havent read all this Apollo guy's stuff nor Otis. Nor will I as this is some kind of squabble that doesnt involve me. Keep me out of it. You dont speak for me only I do. I have nothing to say about this besides keep me out of it.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]And why are you bringing me up??[/QUOTE]

You just came to mind. It's funny that the three of us have Grecian names. And that is Outis, as you can clearly see, not Otis.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]And what are pissing on Julius Evola for?[/QUOTE]

Because he, and all the other comfy decadent authors WNs enjoy, need pissing on. Just because a lot of people like him, doesn't mean he is a good philosopher, and worth the effort of reading him, much less of standing him up as some kind of pillar of White Nationalism. I'll put it another way: I am not attacking Evola himself here, but the fact that people fixate on authors rather than more revelant and pressing matters. It demonstrates that masses agglomerate around a few central totemic figures for identity, and rests at that.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]What people "do" may be quite a bit which you may be unaware of.[/QUOTE]

That's fine, but point to something? There is always someone who says, "Some people are doing something", but nothing happens. Ever. It only gets worse -- for us, for everyone. And yet someone always comes back and says, "Someone is doing something." Who, man?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]All that macho man shit you're talking about tends to get into the illegal very quickly and in case you havent noticed, people who want to talk big about illegal shit are usually either incompetent or informants.[/QUOTE]

If you perceive me as playing macho-man, I am sorry; this is not my intention in the least. (I should say the fellow signing himself "Christian combat-scholar and theologian-of-giftedness" is a sight more macho than me, at any rate.) I am simply out of my mind with frustration. I could not possibly "talk big about illegal shit", because everyone is so damned cowardly, I'm not sure where their cowardice stops and the real danger begins. Perhaps we have to bite the bullet and put up a red flag somewhere and see who raises his hand. If they knock on my door tomorrow, I will be ready. I'll speak to you frankly: I can no longer care about my personal existence in this world. I no longer view life as valuable, far from precious, in this society which drowns us all in its filth. I am willing to risk things. I do not care for safety. You who are married do care, and that is why I am on your ass a little -- it is safety that keeps us in check. We must stop clinging to safety, to life, for it keeps us weak. Is this macho -- or desperate and realistic? I would not call it macho, because I'm not macho; I never have been. Perhaps discussion itself is killing us. Haven't you noticed the dire insistence on "dialogue and debate"? It's a transparent way to keep us all jabbering away while the usurpers commit their crimes. The chap Apollonian, you might notice, would never accept any basic criticism of his shoddy, hermetic, self-important dogma, because he identifies too closely with it: this phenomenon is very common -- a man without power to strike will gravitate toward that which empowers by proxy. If a man can solve a riddle, lay down a category, whip up a new theory, if he even think he has done any of this, he is suffused by a - slanted - light of false power, the feeling that he has control over the destiny of the world in saying that, for example, Pelagians are killing us all, or that Eurasia will save us all, or that Brahma is identified with Apollo in the Ninth House on Saturdays, etc. In other words, he is a master of idle impotence, wielding sterile generalities and arcane nothings in lieu of a strong arm, a hard stomach and a clear target. Antiochus, my only intention is to hold up the real target, to make it clear for everyone that only by taking shots at the target itself, real shots and not clever sentences, can we make any headway. Illegal? You bet. I care? Not anymore. I sincerely fucking hope they break down my door. Why should we fear this? what will fear get any of us? God, man, tell me what is happening otherwise?

The old Fascist motto is the only rule of action: me ne frego. I don't give a damn.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]keep in mind that they may be exercising prudence.[/QUOTE]

I think we are too prudent.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]One more thing. You got a problem talking about my marriage or something? You mind your own business Otis. My marriage is not your business.[/QUOTE]

You're right -- and I thank God marriage is not my business: it is far too dirty and domestic.
But insofar as it holds men back from the proper field of action, it is my business, or rather it is my problem, the race's problem. But I have written on that elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]One more thing. I only have so much time in the day to do my work thing and also participate at VNN. Consequently I havent read all this Apollo guy's stuff nor Otis. Nor will I as this is some kind of squabble that doesnt involve me. Keep me out of it. You dont speak for me only I do. I have nothing to say about this besides keep me out of it.[/QUOTE]

Don't be so dramatic. You got one little mention.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]One more thing. I only have so much time in the day to do my work thing and also participate at VNN. Consequently I havent read all this Apollo guy's stuff nor Otis. Nor will I as this is some kind of squabble that doesnt involve me. Keep me out of it. You dont speak for me only I do. I have nothing to say about this besides keep me out of it.[/QUOTE]

One more thing: from now on, if you see posts from me which afright you a bit, remember that I am saying nothing that the creator and editor of this site has not said, in at least five recent cases. Those same two dangerous magic words that you're afraid of he has himself repeated on the mainpage. So please do not point your finger at me first, but to the one running the greater risk: or would that be impolite? You might also consider that you are overly cautious, and that ultimately we must risk more than flyering and harmless rallies; that is the only reason I post, to drive this point home to those with the heart for it.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]One more thing. I only have so much time in the day to do my work thing and also participate at VNN. Consequently I havent read all this Apollo guy's stuff nor Otis. Nor will I as this is some kind of squabble that doesnt involve me. Keep me out of it. You dont speak for me only I do. I have nothing to say about this besides keep me out of it.[/QUOTE]

Will somebody please tell me what the HELL is going on in this thread? I've never seen so many confused ramblings on this board...

Apollonian objectivism? Good Lord, will the next person who speaks this gibberish please immediately put on your [COLOR=Blue]Yarmulke[/COLOR].

[QUOTE=MrOutis]

I am simply out of my mind with frustration. I could not possibly "talk big about illegal shit", because everyone is so damned cowardly, I'm not sure where their cowardice stops and the real danger begins. Perhaps we have to bite the bullet and put up a red flag somewhere and see who raises his hand. If they knock on my door tomorrow, I will be ready. I'll speak to you frankly: I can no longer care about my personal existence in this world. I no longer view life as valuable, far from precious, in this society which drowns us all in its filth. I am willing to risk things. I do not care for safety. You who are married do care, and that is why I am on your ass a little -- it is safety that keeps us in check. We must stop clinging to safety, to life, for it keeps us weak. Is this macho -- or desperate and realistic? I would not call it macho, because I'm not macho; I never have been. Perhaps discussion itself is killing us. Haven't you noticed the dire insistence on "dialogue and debate"? It's a transparent way to keep us all jabbering away while the usurpers commit their crimes.

.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%, its time for action, safety and comfort are over.

I agree 100%, its time for action, safety and comfort are over.

:Everyone points at each other and says, "You first.":

However, be careful what you wish for. In the words of someone wiser than I, "Nothing triggers buyer's remorse like a civil war you kicked off before you thought it through."

[QUOTE=MadScienceType]:Everyone points at each other and says, "You first.":

However, be careful what you wish for. In the words of someone wiser than I, "Nothing triggers buyer's remorse like a civil war you kicked off before you thought it through."[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about a war or something illegal, I just think we need to have some definite plans of action and coordination. The solution is not going to be peaceful we're going to have to fight for everything, no one else will fight for us. Whites will have to learn that they have two choices, either to keep doing what they're doing now by destroying themselves by letting an a large amount of cultural and racial aliens or fight back and survive. Right now our enemies and traitors are doing whatever they can to do destroy us spiritually,mentally, politically and tear down our group consciousness and exclusivity. We have NO one protecting our group interests and survival, this is going to leave us in a profound state of danger. This is no joke here, whites are only ones being fooled to destroy themselves at the expense of their enemies, while the barbarian laughs and conquers. Groups who do not protect their own idenity and collective interest vis-s-vis other groups will perish and die away, are we ready to do that?. Do you think war is coming to an end? its not and if we don't maintian our power relationship, and ethnocentrism then our civilization will perish and we will be destroyed while trying to embrace all "humanity". Our entire existence is threatened, I hope all of you understand the seriounsess of this. The world cannot become depoliticalized, deracialized and war will not end, unforunately this is exactly what our civilization is foolishly trying to do now.

do something do something! Who is doing something? Alex Linder is doing something. If you think it's not enough, get him some bucks and you will see that he can do more. He is a normal guy who has day to day challenges and limitations but also has a proven talent in the education and propaganda department, and cojones the size of grapefruits. So if you want somebody to "do something" my advice would be, get Linder more help and watch "something" happen! Nothing illegal of course: but daring bold and convincing education of White people, yes, and who knows where that will lead.

And this, folks, is why the lead-hard 'something' will never issue from the rank & file of WN -- for as soon as it is mentioned, the pusilanimous whitewashing stay-at-home maries jump in to make everything nice & legal. Daring and bold education, ho! A task worthy of Diomêdês, if he had born a Christian schoolmarm in central Africa and not Diomêdês.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
....Alex Linder is doing something. If you think it's not enough, get him some bucks and you will see that he can do more.....[/QUOTE]
Such as ?

Alex Linder is an internet commentator. There is no shortage of internet commentary now. That's not going to save us or accomplish much of anything.

So more bucks to Alex Linder would do what exactly? Generate more internet commentary? Or is there some plan I haven't heard about?

Mr Outis' entire point, which I suspect most thinking people agree with is we're well past the talking stage. The long droning position papers from yesteryear and their modern reworded variations have become tiresome. Those are escapes into a fantasy world of "what should be" but does not exist, and none of us is doing much to make happen. We're here today and now. To spend time discussing the finer points of "what we should be" and what our world will be like if and after "we take over" is delusional. That's like the guy on death row planning the house he's gonna build after he escapes. Most adults are already "what they're gonna be" whether or not they read one more heroic screed posted at an internet site. Reading commentary, even if it's well written commentary, typing on internet chat boards, sending angry emails to newspaper writers and pitching flyers on driveways are miniscule and pathetic responses to what's being directed against us. Those efforts may done in good faith but they accomplish virtually nothing.

Making long range plans of twenty or ten or even five years to "educate" the masses via the internet is to indulge our own laziness and cowardice. The talking and "Look what they're doing to us now ! " Paul Revere routine is old and pointless. We all see what they're doing to us now. We've been seeing it for forty years and more. Who doesn't get the point that they're killing us and if we don't get them first we're all gonna disappear? How much more commentary of that nature do we need to see?

I've heard the arguments about "enlightening the newbies" as an excuse for keeping up the internet so-called activism. What's never mentioned is the number of people who are NOT newbies, people who are fully cognizant of what's happening all around us and have been for years. There are at least as many of those people who eventually throw up their hands in disgust and despair at the lack of vision and lack of defined mission and opt out to enjoy themselves in their remaining years. So there are plenty of people stepping off for any new ones getting on board.

OK, here's legal Antiochus:

A defined plan that supersedes the internet talking is required. The Chester Doles fundraiser is one case. Nobody was happy with that dénouement but I use that as an example of a clearly defined mission. We came up with $60,000 for a stated purpose in approximately ninety days. There was a plan. Could we come up with $600,000 in nine hundred days if there were a similar clearly defined plan? What if the target were a million dollars, with the intention of buying a thousand acres of property or some other purchase that would be presented as a goal? A video production studio or a couple billboards on interstate highways, say, or any other projects you can suggest as worthwhile. The point is with no clearly defined mission all this aimless talking and Che style "Be strong brothers and sisters" rah-rah is the death rattle of a dying race. We must select tangible goals and go after them, then accomplish each in turn.

What could be done with a million bucks? Are we brave enough to try and raise it? Would it be worth the trouble?

I am not talking about a war or something illegal, I just think we need to have some definite plans of action and coordination.

Ah, you and I are on the same page, w-n. I wasn't trying to whiz in your Cheerios, but the tuff-talkin' internet commandos at the VNNF have me glancing askance at a lot of the "calls to arms" posted here. However, I much agree and have, for a long time, with your larger point that we need some definite plans of action. What gook was it that said, "the journey of a thousand li begins with the first step?" Well, let's take a few first steps, no matter how small. The point is to have something to work towards and build momentum. As Nick brought up, the Doles fundraiser was a good example. Yeah, I know a lot of people bitched about how that turned out, but that wasn't the point. People need, on a basic level, to see progress so they know their time isn't being wasted. Success breeds success. I don't care if it's the VNN Bowl-a-Rama as a moneymaking scheme with the pins painted up like notorious Negroes of yore or the WN Jiffi-Lube.

[QUOTE=Nick]Alex Linder is an internet commentator. There is no shortage of internet commentary now. That's not going to save us or accomplish much of anything.[/QUOTE]

This is more refreshing than a tall cold glass of Nigger Cola. I could say this about every line here. Vindication is endlessly sweet.

You surely know, however, that such patient overview of the stagnation which plagues us will be totally lost on them. It is easier for the comfortable and the life-addicted to read/write heroic screeds and cry down those with "olives on their tree" than entertain the disheartening possibility that they are wrong. One might even indulge Apollonian by saying that it is subjectivism which prevents more from our pitiable rank & file from hardening up, making shots and taking them if necessary, instead of being "internet warriors". But why repeat myself...in the end, you can't work with kept men or self-righteous christers. And this is the end.

[QUOTE=Nick]There are at least as many of those people who eventually throw up their hands in disgust and despair at the lack of vision and lack of defined mission and opt out to enjoy themselves in their remaining years.[/QUOTE]

That has been my dilemma for a while. Disgust and despair. All these guys are so damn standoffish, so "nuh uh -- not me buddy!", one can hardly take heart in those who willy-nilly are one's comrades. The whole thing is bogus and useless with comrades like these, hardly men in any old sense of the word. You can't rebuke them; can't shame them; can't inspire them to great deeds. They'd rather sun-worship than fight. What good are any of them? So cowed by legality, by the dead letter of the law! One minute they speak of race as the highest law, and the next they're cowering behind this little "if it's legal" tagline. Throw your damned life to the wind! How else can you hope to best an opponent? Savitri Devi doesn't win battles, will and bravery do.
Even the mildest of my approaches to them, these vanguards, have been rebuffed -- God knows why. I have offered Linder my very paychecks, trying to entice him to make VNN corporate, to expand the media base. A compromise for me! I know of but one solution to the Jewish problem, the very obvious one a stronger generation would move toward before anything else.

[QUOTE=Nick]The point is with no clearly defined mission all this aimless talking and Che style "Be strong brothers and sisters" rah-rah is the death rattle of a dying race.[/QUOTE]

Amen. It is a funeral prayer, the last ditch "HOSANNAH!" thrown up by the hopelessly hopeful, fatally stubborn to the balances of reality. To suggest that we are running out of time, to suggest anything outside of their dogma, is heretical: one is immediately called a Jew or a baiter and the matter is dropped. They're just as fucking stupid as the plain Amurrican bigots who form the mass of this shit-ridden nation.

[QUOTE=Nick]What could be done with a million bucks? Are we brave enough to try and raise it? Would it be worth the trouble?[/QUOTE]

Fuck that. A million bucks -- "If only I had a million dollars...", as Mencken said the ultimate mantra of all weak and decadent men. How can you oppose a million to the Jews' infinitesimillion? A billboard, a scholahship, so what? You can't dent the 'kwa with ink and visuals. It comes down to engaging in a war of attrition or trying to love the 'kwa, because overall the game is tipped irreparably in their favor.

I greatly appreciate your words, Nick.

[QUOTE=MrOutis]And this, folks, is why the lead-hard 'something' will never issue from the rank & file of WN -- for as soon as it is mentioned, the pusilanimous whitewashing stay-at-home maries jump in to make everything nice & legal. Daring and bold education, ho! A task worthy of Diomêdês, if he had born a Christian schoolmarm in central Africa and not Diomêdês.[/QUOTE]

OK dickhead since you keep flaming me I will reply to this.

You go ahead and play Robert Matthews. See if your martyrdom launches a thousand ships. Go ahead.

Meantime, I will conclude from your reply you dont have shit money to put up. I didnt see you pitch in to help Matt Hale did you? Big talk, no walk. Most people who cant put up $5 arent going to "hey diddle diddle right up the middle are they?"

I say do the legal things which can be done, which arent being done. Do the easy things first. Other bravado types, like you Mr Otis Macho Man, call for a hail of lead.

I say keep it legal. Go ahead, call me a pussy. Keep it legal is the forum rule-- in case you forgot. Go ahead and talk your shit Otis, Keep It Legal is the rule or this forum will be fuckee-fuckeed and you who couldnt come up with $5 for matt hale, I doubt you will come up with shit to make it come back from oblivion if it goes away.

[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Ah, you and I are on the same page, w-n. I wasn't trying to whiz in your Cheerios, but the tuff-talkin' internet commandos at the VNNF have me glancing askance at a lot of the "calls to arms" posted here..[/QUOTE]

"Glance askance" all you please, bubby. If this to you is "tuff-talkin'" internet commandeering, why bother giving your assent? This is what happens, every time: a mild agreement -- then two big steps back into safe territory, where most can reach consensus. So now it's the Doles fundraiser and "success breeds success", an axiom hardly debatable, but unfortunate if based on a consensus of "if its legal". Nick said my "entire point", but my entire point takes us far from legality and safety: so at least as regards me, if you are not agreed on the basic item that Jews must be eliminated, and not in the Land of Make Believe but in our cities and towns, you have not understood me. I am simply posing these questions: Why do we not consider it? why are we so afraid? what are we holding onto? are our own lives worth more than what we may accomplish for all and for history if we were less afraid for them? and if we broke through that fear, maintaining the grim resolution to act, how would we proceed? where? etc. I am merely asking people to consider that we should care less for the petty vanities of our lives and think in terms that we set for ourselves here in verba everyday: we rage against Jews, we weep over the decline and forseeable death of our race, the degradation of our people -- yet remain hedged in by fear, by a retard's inability to compel himself into heart-gripping action. A thousand times we are told of the crimes of the Jew and a tiny, very superable divide which exists solely in the brain of each individual, separating the body from its fulfillment in raw, cold will, runs us all to ruin on its fearful triviality. And for suggesting this, one is ridiculed, as above. I am a tuff-talkin' internet commando for suggesting that some little psychological mechanism which it is within the power of every WN to master is keeping us from taking those terrible, irrevocable steps which might get us back on track, or at least win us glory for those lonely souls in the future who can read back into our hearts to find the truth. But by God, if ridicule is all that matters to you, fine! I'm sure you're very proud of yourself, and I wouldn't rob you of that trifling self-perceived victory.

[QUOTE=Nick]Such as ?
.............A video production studio or a couple billboards on interstate highways, say, or any other projects you can suggest as worthwhile. The point is with no clearly defined mission all this aimless talking and Che style "Be strong brothers and sisters" rah-rah is the death rattle of a dying race. We must select tangible goals and go after them, then accomplish each in turn.

What could be done with a million bucks? Are we brave enough to try and raise it? Would it be worth the trouble?[/QUOTE]

I suggested a fucking project in case you forgot, with a clearly defined goal, and a clearly defined method, with a noble result, perfectly result, and all we came up with was like $450 which by the way, I didnt see you or Otis contributing to. So keep on talking shit boys, speak loudly and carry a little stick.

Otis: wants people to produce a "lead" solution, cant come up with $5 for Hale.

Nick: wants to set our sights on a million, couldnt come up with $5 for Hale.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]OK dickhead since you keep flaming me I will reply to this.

You go ahead and play Robert Matthews. See if your martyrdom launches a thousand ships. Go ahead.[/QUOTE]

Who is Robert Matthews?
And who said we even have a thousand ships? I'd be surprised if a dinghy floats out at low-tide with more than the back-paddle of a palm to propel it.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Meantime, I will conclude from your reply you dont have shit money to put up.[/QUOTE]

If you like. No, I didn't pitch in to help Matt Hale -- because I have no idea who Matt Hale is, apart from seeing his name every time I visit a WN website. Matt Hale, Chester Doles: if you think this is to prove my lack of credentials, let me help you out: I don't know the first thing about Hale, know little of Doles, and I don't care to know anything more about either. I state I have absolutely no concern for them, be they rotting in prison or stretched on a rack being pissed on by negroes. Now, would you like to know why? Whatever they are getting, they should be proud of it, because either they did something brave or they did something an inch above radar and got cut down for it: either way I respect them. You may think me juvenile for this, but would you say that, e.g., of the Celts who, when appealed to for help by the Etruscans, told the Roman ambassadors that they assumed the Romans must be brave and warlike people, because it was they the Etruscans feared? No, you'd find that very charming: but you will ridicule me for it, perhaps. So be it. The fact is this: Hale and Doles do not matter. Zündel does not matter. A thousand dead HAMAS leaders do not matter. I do not matter. You do not matter. None of us do. The only thing that matters is routing the Jew: that is my sole concern: and it should be yours as well, but a stay-at-home Mary cares more about his wife and his Five Foot Shelf of White Nationalist Books than action. I say this to you without personal malice, for I don't know you; I say it to you as though you were every lazy, self-satisfied sonofabitch who cries down others who would make Hell for the enemy, instead of making websites about making Hell to please our own ranks.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Do the easy things first.[/QUOTE]

Why?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Other bravado types, like you Mr Otis Macho Man, call for a hail of lead.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you're right about that: and one should be so lucky to end this way. I know I should envy you your wife, your domesticity, your secure path to a comfy death, which I suppose is your point of departure for condescension and presumption; but I cannot envy any of it, for we can all see that the only thing a wife, a house, and money to spend on pet projects produces, is a guy like you, who finds it easier to patronize than fraternize. What you and the others who here will insist on this notion that I am playing "Macho Man" - and your resentful rankling over this stinks, let me tell you - miss is that this has nothing to do with me: I don't speak for my own sake, to aggrandize myself, which is the very reason I use the name "Outis", as opposed to some grandiloquent bullshit like "Apollonian" or "Antiochus". You speak down to me, you ridicule me, you make a big stink over one little mention made of you, and why? Because I assert that you are a coward, that you tailor your aspirations and will to meet the determinants of your life, one and all geared toward your comfort within the 'kwa: I daresay you would even resent a rising against the 'kwa, against the Jews, because this would upset your patronizing insistence on flyering, rallies, wheatpasting, hand-holding, kitty-petting, sun-worshipping Devi-idolizing wife-loving hippie inconsequence. Moreover, this is clearly the case, for everyone can plainly see that you are bothered by what I am telling you: you resent me. You rankle, you call me a dickhead and a Macho Man, and I have repeated over and over that this is not about you or me, but about getting past our miserable personal lives and asking ourselves if we can do more than act like middle schoolers in government class playing at activism and "education". What should we do now, write messages on balloons and hope they land in the laps of white kids? No, thank you: some of us still have the balls for other tasks. I merely raise the question: are these tasks feasible? how can we go about them? etc. I raise the question to each individual, to put it to himself squarely, forgetting that it is the odious Mr. Outis who broached the subject: Am I a coward? are analysis and wheatpasting the only things to be done? are they, perhaps, rather an indication that I am cowardly and too given to other things in life? -- Mundane shit, you know, that anyone can get from ten minutes of reading Kierkegaard.
But to you, this is all "bravado" -- God! as though what I'm doing is making a show to appear 'tough' to you maries and dipshits and bigots. Why the fuck should I care how I appear to any of you? You faggots read Savitri Devi: you presume I need to prove anything to you who are so easily taken in by hacks?


[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Go ahead, call me a pussy..[/QUOTE]

PUSSY. LIMP DICK. COWARD. FAGGOT. NUMBNUTS. SACK OF SHIT. LOSER. WORTHLESS KEPT DOG OF A MAN WHO PREFERS BLOWJOBS AND TV-DINNERS TO ACTION AND TRUTH AND CAN'T TEAR HIMSELF AWAY FROM WIFEY'S KISSES LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THAT HE'S FULL OF SHIT AND LIKES PATRONIZING EVERYONE ELSE AND PARROTING THAT ALL WE NEED TO DO IS EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT ALEX LINDER WILL SAVE US WE'LL ALL BE OK YOU FUCKING MACHO MAN RAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Keep it legal is the forum rule-- in case you forgot.[/QUOTE]

So go whine to Alex, ok? Tell him to delete my posts. If he do, great. If he don't, you'll have cause to not forget what I done tolt you a few hours ago: that I say nothing more than what Linder himself has said on the mainpage many times.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Go ahead and talk your shit Otis, Keep It Legal is the rule or this forum will be fuckee-fuckeed and you who couldnt come up with $5 for matt hale, I doubt you will come up with shit to make it come back from oblivion if it goes away.[/QUOTE]

Lay off the SoCo, old man: coherent sentences are also the rule of this forum, are they not? But look, I'll be frank again, because I know it gets you going: I don't care if this forum is taken down. Let it be taken down! Does it not always go back up? And if it doesn't? So what! What really do we have to lose at this point? It's either the end of the world or it isn't, Antiochus: che si dice? If it's the end, losing VNNF shouldn't matter to us; if it isn't, there's still hope, as you guys like telling yourselves, and it again shouldn't matter to us. Eh? what say you, Old Man? I am sitting on three crisp $20 bills that Matt Hale won't see in his lifetime: oy vey, what a penny-pinching Jew I am for saying a man should take what he gets and be proud of it!
You ninny -- go back to your lousy little wife! I guarantee you this: you have your hand cupped harder over your balls than I have mine over my wallet!

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
Nick: wants to set our sights on a million, couldnt come up with $5 for Hale.[/QUOTE]
Here are some more guys who could use $5 from you Antiochus. They've been in jail for pro-White activities longer than Matt Hale. Be sure to get something off to them when you can. This is just a partial list, there are a lot more here:

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[QUOTE=MrOutis]
I greatly appreciate your words, Nick.[/QUOTE]
Cheers.

I'm not entirely as pessimistic as you are, yet, nor as blunt, but if "activism" or even consciousness of what we're facing continues in its present state all I see is a final descent into the maelstrom.

Hey Otis, you dont know who Matt Hale is? And you presume to lecture people?

Hey Otis: you keep on talking about me like you know me, all bout my life, what I have done or havent done, my wife and all. Is that it? Tell me more about what you think you know about me. When we're done, lets hear about you. Are you queer or something? You got a fucking crush on me? Is that why you keep talking about my wife?

[QUOTE=MrOutis]........
You ninny -- go back to your lousy little wife![/QUOTE]

You're a macho man talking big, talking shit about other people's wives over the airwaves. I'll be damned if you're an Aryan for starting shit with me by talking about my wife. You must not have a wife but if you are with somebody they've got a bitch where a man's s'posed to be.

You must feel pretty confident sitting there behind your computer screen, calling for people to break laws, calling shit out to me, eh? I think you're either an insane faggot or maybe a cunning Jew, inciting violence, trying to fuck up this forum and take it down, or maybe just fuck with me for reasons which benefit the jew.

If you are an Aryan, you cut your shit and try and use your pea brain to find me motherfucker and tell it to my face and see what you get. Go ahead if you are so fucking smart Jewboy, do your homework and find me and show me how tough you are. I will only act in self defense but of course those actions would be very effective for you and any other person White Black or other reading this who wants to test me in person.

You talk like you think you are educated, but to me you sound like a faggoty drama queen. Tell me who you are that you presume to instruct on courage. Do you call it courage to insult a woman?

Ah-- I think I understand. You are a girl, posing as a man, and obviously you have a cybercrush on me. Sorry ma'am, I'm taken! You're a reincarnation of Joan of Arc calling the men to arms no? That would explain "your voices." LOL

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Hey Otis, you dont know who Matt Hale is? And you presume to lecture people?[/QUOTE]

You're basically implying that Matt Hale, and familiarity with his case, is the only criterion for credibility in lecturing 'people', i.e. you. If that is the case I clearly do not have credibility and you are free to disregard everything I say, as you surely will anyway. So really you ain't got shit to do. Don't I make debates easy?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Hey Otis: you keep on talking about me like you know me, all bout my life, what I have done or havent done, my wife and all. Is that it? Tell me more about what you think you know about me. When we're done, lets hear about you. Are you queer or something? You got a fucking crush on me? Is that why you keep talking about my wife?[/QUOTE]

Come on, now. You are above this kind of thing. I wouldn't have gotten on your case if you hadn't spoken up, which you ALWAYS do, with some dismissive, condescending stuff which you should know gets on the nerves. Remember when you said, "Well I'll tell you what Outis, why don't you go be VNN's correspondent in Iran?" -- This is your way of killing topics you can't countenance: sarcasm, ridicule. Perhaps it's not that I'm Macho Man "Otis", but you're Close-Minded Antokiss? It's pretty simple: we all of us have lines we hold to which, when attacked, is an attack on our very hearts. Even worse if it can be shown that our line is inferior to another's, for then the ground gives way beneath us and we are left cursing into the void ripped open by inconsiderate bastards like me. It's tough being told your life is worth less because you're married or you listen to Der Blutharsch, but it's little things like these which block the will of a man, blind him to the truer, harder path, which must be taken if change is to be made. It's worse for you if you fix on these little objections, because you show yourself to be desperate and resentful, throwing your own shackles at my feet as though they are my shackles. I take two or three cases out of a great mass: these are called "examples". You are an example. I used you as an example. This, perhaps rightly, pissed you off, and we find ourselves embroiled in this back-and-forth. Well, I don't care -- I could go on for weeks like this, with nary a decrement of energy. You're not the issue, nor is your wife, nor even my "sexual orientation"; the only issue, as I will repeat a million times if you make me, in the same words each time, is to rout the Jew. No Jews -- just right: nothing else shall matter until this is achieved.

Hey Otis, dont back off now motherfucker! Why do you keep talking about my wife? Are you a girl, a faggot, or an Aryan? You got a crush on me? If not, shut the fuck up about my wife. If you want to fight me bitch, like I said, you find me and do what you can do. Otherwise dont be talking about my wife, you fucking punk, else I will have nothing to say to you bitch.

One thing you've proven here in not any fucking psychodrama bullshit, but that you are either nuts, dishonorable, a frustrated girl or homo who doesnt like being rejected, or a Jew trying to fuck up the board. Dont back off now fucktard, what are you? Just a fucking nutcase?

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
If you are an Aryan, you cut your shit and try and use your pea brain to find me motherfucker and tell it to my face and see what you get. Go ahead if you are so fucking smart Jewboy, do your homework and find me and show me how tough you are. I will only act in self defense but of course those actions would be very effective for you and any other person White Black or other reading this who wants to test me in person. [/QUOTE]

Ha. Like woh, hoss.
I have nothing to add. I'm almost sorry to have started this, but I'm glad I got to show you up. When you're lying in bed tonight your heart will ache because of this little outburst: that is, if you're not lulled by cunt into sheer idiocy.
All I suggest is self-defense: of our history, our race, our future. I suggest that defense of our own lives is irrelevant in this society, in this world, and that if we cannot make a bid beyond our own lives, for the future, even revenge for the past and present, we more than deserve to die out in every horrible way devised for us by the Jewish bacillus. If we can't wake up and stop smelling the roses and start hunting wabbits, I see no reason why our peoples should get through this crisis, which is clearly to be as protracted as the Christian nightmare, if not longer and fatal.
So, I will not respond to you further. Just consider your silly words here before you ever call me "Macho Man" again.

[QUOTE=MrOutis]........... I wouldn't have gotten on your case if you hadn't spoken up, which you ALWAYS do, with some dismissive, condescending stuff which you should know gets on the nerves. Remember when you said, "Well I'll tell you what Outis, why don't you go be VNN's correspondent in Iran?" -- This is your way of killing topics you can't countenance: sarcasm, ridicule. Perhaps it's not that I'm Macho Man "Otis", but you're Close-Minded Antokiss? It's pretty simple: we all of us have lines we hold to which, when attacked, is an attack on our very hearts. [QUOTE]

So you're saying you dont like me. Big deal. Why dont you just say what you got to say instead of acting like a bitchy ass faggot?

I remember this feminist Persian cunt who liked to argue with me in grad school-- she sounded like you bitch. That cunt had a crush on me too, fascinated with my Greek shit too. What is that? Persians still sore you fucks got whipped by Greeks time and again two thousand years ago? Is that what they teach in Iran, how to be a bitch? No wonder the mullahs had to put you bitches in hajib or whateverthefuckall you call it. Anything to shut you bitches up. Are you that cunt still stalking me, jealous of my wife, all these years later?

[QUOTE=MrOutis]Ha. Like woh, hoss.
I have nothing to add. I'm almost sorry to have started this, but I'm glad I got to show you up. When you're lying in bed tonight your heart will ache because of this little outburst: that is, if you're not lulled by cunt into sheer idiocy.
...........So, I will not respond to you further. Just consider your silly words here before you ever call me "Macho Man" again.[/QUOTE]

Hey you fuckin cunt, you think you're going to drag my wife into shit and I'm going to let off of you? Nice try at an apology but it aint good enough. You better think before you talk bitch. You showed up nothing more than you are a faggot or a girl. You could have attacked me, but you attacked my wife like a fuckin Jew. I've seen you Jewboys attack people's wives before in real life, you fuckin Jewboy. That is anti-racist tricks 101. Provacateur, Jew, faggot, girl, Otis.

You dont want to continue this, then dont act like you should get off with a half assed apology, its was just psychodrama, now kissy kissy hug hug its ok. Its not ok. Next time you better think before you start talking shit about people's wives.

[QUOTE=Nick]Cheers.

I'm not entirely as pessimistic as you are, yet, nor as blunt, but if "activism" or even consciousness of what we're facing continues in its present state all I see is a final descent into the maelstrom.[/QUOTE]

Well said, as before. I get caught up in angry writing, so it's good to see someone with patience to guide their clear-sightedness. I forego patient writing - if I'm even capable of it - because no one "gets it" anyway, you know? They parrot the same stagnant responses -- you know what I mean. It boggles me. Actually, it breaks my heart. But in history it is always up to the individual, not the consensus. My reason for breaking protocol here is that I want to reach those individuals who have shame enough to be slapped into action. It is certainly an American problem keeping us back, a problem of the old American type, this life-long immersion in the keep-off-the-grass morality which American spirit has boiled down to, and which perhaps influences less the sons of immigrants than those of strictly North European blood. They stand apart like the sturdy individuals they were born to be, loathe to get excited or to help, who would probably let you starve if you were dying of famine on their very doorstep rather than give you a crust of bread; this ethos is brought over to White Nationalism, which fatally suffers from the insularity of its constituents: so many Americans perished in the fight for general freedom a hundred years ago that not two will today perish to regain that general freedom, this time from the Jew. That die-hard "freedom-loving" grimace has resolved itself into the surly frown of the self-contented suburbanite who laughs at you the moment you want to take the fight somewhere a little hotter. Then you have the honor of being called a Jew! -- At least the Jews learned how to operate. We Europeans will go to our graves masturbating our precious vanities.

prost

[QUOTE=Nick]Such as ?

Alex Linder is an internet commentator. There is no shortage of internet commentary now. That's not going to save us or accomplish much of anything.

So more bucks to Alex Linder would do what exactly? Generate more internet commentary? Or is there some plan I haven't heard about?

Mr Outis' entire point, which I suspect most thinking people agree with is we're well past the talking stage. The long droning position papers from yesteryear and their modern reworded variations have become tiresome. Those are escapes into a fantasy world of "what should be" but does not exist, and none of us is doing much to make happen. We're here today and now. To spend time discussing the finer points of "what we should be" and what our world will be like if and after "we take over" is delusional. That's like the guy on death row planning the house he's gonna build after he escapes. Most adults are already "what they're gonna be" whether or not they read one more heroic screed posted at an internet site. Reading commentary, even if it's well written commentary, typing on internet chat boards, sending angry emails to newspaper writers and pitching flyers on driveways are miniscule and pathetic responses to what's being directed against us. Those efforts may done in good faith but they accomplish virtually nothing.

Making long range plans of twenty or ten or even five years to "educate" the masses via the internet is to indulge our own laziness and cowardice. The talking and "Look what they're doing to us now ! " Paul Revere routine is old and pointless. We all see what they're doing to us now. We've been seeing it for forty years and more. Who doesn't get the point that they're killing us and if we don't get them first we're all gonna disappear? How much more commentary of that nature do we need to see?

I've heard the arguments about "enlightening the newbies" as an excuse for keeping up the internet so-called activism. What's never mentioned is the number of people who are NOT newbies, people who are fully cognizant of what's happening all around us and have been for years. There are at least as many of those people who eventually throw up their hands in disgust and despair at the lack of vision and lack of defined mission and opt out to enjoy themselves in their remaining years. So there are plenty of people stepping off for any new ones getting on board.
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OK Nick well does it make you feel better to say so? If you think the internet and education are a waste of time, then maybe you should clam up and switch to lone wolf mode. We internet commentators will just have to wonder and watch the papers for your derring do.

Or go raise that million and show us how to do it right.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
OK Nick well does it make you feel better to say so? If you think the internet and education are a waste of time, then maybe you should clam up and switch to lone wolf mode. We internet commentators will just have to wonder and watch the papers for your derring do.

Or go raise that million and show us how to do it right.[/QUOTE]
It irritates you when people point out what is real, as opposed to what is self-delusion, doesn't it? I've been listening to these same tired arguments and this same hope-springs-eternal nonsense since well before the days of the internet. People are gonna "wise up" eventually and the cavalry is gonna come riding over that next hill to save us all. Now with the availability of the 'net one can broadcast that tired old stuff worldwide. Good thing the fellows at Lexington and Valley Forge didn't spend all their time musing and trading fantasy missives over the internet had it been available. If you think the internet is gonna stop one nigger from raping or one refrito from crossing the border or one jew from puking on everything you should hold dear, I'm here to tell you it's not gonna happen. But you just keep chatting, laffin it up and tellin jokes and back slappin on an internet forum if that makes YOU feel better -- as this civilization collapses due to lack of real resistance to the historical destroyers of all things beautiful and worthy. Except on the internet. Religion was called the opiate of the masses but Lenin didn't stick around long enough to see the internet.

And don't blow off that list of political prisoners I posted and the others that can be found at the website. If you ain't supporting all of them with at least a few bucks, tell me, what makes Matt Hale rate your special consideration?

[QUOTE=Nick]It irritates you when people point out what is real, as opposed to what is self-delusion, doesn't it? I've been listening to these same tired arguments and this same hope-springs-eternal nonsense ...........And don't blow off that list of political prisoners I posted and the others that can be found at the website. If you ain't supporting all of them with at least a few bucks, tell me, what makes Matt Hale rate your special consideration?[/QUOTE]

Nah, criticism of me doesnt irritate me. It irritates me when somebody starts talking shit about my wife though.

As for "doing something" blah blah blah, that's fucking great but I have studied guerilla warfare-- thats what you guys are talking about right? insurrection? and we dont have the social conditions to support it. Therefore, any attempt a la the Order, without a significant change particularly a severe downward departure in the general economic conditions-- will fail. We would not have the support of the White population. Therefore, to encourage people to throw their lives away is irresponsible, wrong, and counterproductive. THAT IS REALITY. Or do you think I am wrong about this?

As that is reality, the next best thing is to build the social infrastructure to resist the whole mess. The activity of that infrastructure should be geared towards education which means convincing peoplee-- our people-- by non-violent means. Oh, it's easy to spit on that, but guess what? There is no resistance! Either we do that or we do nothing! Something is better than nothing.

The average "awakened" White nationalist can't stand the pain of this: WHITE PEOPLE DONT SUPPORT WHITE NATIONALISM. The skinhead who gets fired when he shaves his head, the guy who gets into a fight with a schwartzer and gets arrested, the small businessman who gets sued under snivel rights laws, the small time politician who gets smeared by jews-- hell the big time politician who gets smeared by jews-- no appeal to White solidarity accomplishes anything tangible. That is a hard mean bitch of a fact. It drives people out of the "movement" as surely as anything else.

All that's left are people who are just too fucking crazy or stubborn to give up. And they have to have something to do. I say, bust your ass to make money and give it to somebody like Linder who can put it to use; or roll your own "education;" or do both.

[QUOTE=Nick]

And don't blow off that list of political prisoners I posted and the others that can be found at the website. If you ain't supporting all of them with at least a few bucks, tell me, what makes Matt Hale rate your special consideration?[/QUOTE]

I have never said anything bad about them nor will I now. But, I am not going to DO what they did and so I would regard it as inappropriate for me to encourage others to do so either. You are welcome to blow their horn. I admire their courage, and I'm sorry it didnt come out better for them.

Now, Matt Hale: he got a law degree. I have an interest in that area of endeavor. He was a correspondent of mine years ago. he is a fellow small town White boy from flyover, who tried via purely legal means to stand up to the Jew. He got entrapped, by a big talker promoting violence, and then railroaded and denied a fair trial in a host of ways. He has not apologized or recanted and is trying to appeal his predicament. That is why he rates my special consideration.

If you want to "do something" and you're just hanging out all depressed, and you dont want to toss money at the Linders of the world, and you dont want to "go underground," I've got a damn good idea for you. Go to law school. We live in a lawyer-ocracy. Jews gained and hold power much through hired guns called "lawyers." Matt Hale, was on the right track by becoming a lawyer. Lawyers not only can make big bucks but they can make big changes. Most FBI agents are lawyers or used to be so. Many CIA agents become lawyers when they quit. Almost all politicians, are lawyers. Does this compute? Guess what, it will require as much time effort and money as becoming an insurrectionist, but for most folks reading this web page, they could do better becoming a lawyer than by becoming an insurrectionist. Plus, they wont have to risk their ass which is easy to ask others to do, and tough to do oneself.

Haw! Haw! Someone's been reading their Nietzsche and eating broken glass for breakfast!

You sure take things personally Outis, especially considering I didn't direct my comments at you.

Of course no one gets out of this alive but you want to get max value for what you spend, you know? If you're in such an all-fired hurry to martyr yourself then I'll bet no one will stand in your way. Why don't you push an old Jew lady down in line at the grocery store to start off easy and work your way up to genocide?

You're skipping ahead quite a bit when you urge everyone to start grabbing their AK and start busting caps. If you've never heard of Mathews or Hale, then I'm sure Benjamin Smith and Buford Furrow won't ring a bell either. I'll give you a hint, they followed your advice pretty much to the letter and didn't accomplish jack shit other than giving the hebes more anti-White propaganda.

All I'm saying is we need to get off the internet and start building something real. In the process, we find out who is on "our" side and where various talents lie among a pool of allies. Maybe your talent is shaming people into rash acts? How the fuck do I know? But, as far as I can tell, most "talent" in the WN "movement" consists of smearing and flinging shit on anything in sight, and I can see that live down at the monkey house in the zoo or the local nigger frat, so it gets old pretty quick.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
....All that's left are people who are just too fucking crazy or stubborn to give up. And they have to have something to do. I say, bust your ass to make money and give it to somebody like Linder who can put it to use; or roll your own "education;" or do both.[/QUOTE]
Too fucking crazy and stubborn to do much besides build a few websites, talk on the internet and pitch some flyers.


[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
....As for "doing something" blah blah blah, that's fucking great but I have studied guerilla warfare-- thats what you guys are talking about right?[/Quote]
Anyone with 4000+ posts on an internet forum should be the last to use "blah blah blah" as a pejorative.

I'm talking about anything that's beyond comfortable reassurances amongst "activists" on the internet. You probably recognize this:

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

Is that any less fitting today than it was 230 years ago?


[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
insurrection? and we dont have the social conditions to support it. Therefore, any attempt a la the Order, without a significant change particularly a severe downward departure in the general economic conditions-- will fail. We would not have the support of the White population. Therefore, to encourage people to throw their lives away is irresponsible, wrong, and counterproductive. THAT IS REALITY. Or do you think I am wrong about this?[/Quote]
I'll reply to that with another relevant quote from Patrick Henry:

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house?

So you understand Antiochus, the arguments you're making now have been made. They were ignored fortunately. Since you don't seem to want to address my Matt Hale question I'll let it go.

A note to those who have come this far: AE's reasoning, above, while apparently founded on a dualism of nihilism-utopianism - throwing our lives away on failure, building up the infrastructure which is to replace the Jew God knows when/how - is in fact a misunderstanding of his opponent's position, and a misapplication of historical comparison. He assumes that we propose action which could succeed only in those conditions which we do not enjoy; in this he presumes that we advocate a certain type of action which he, rather stupidly, calls by name ("insurrection?"), and more importantly that we advocate the success expected of this type of action. I advocate neither; I do not propose insurrection, so naturally I do not expect success, and would not put shining hopes into the heads of anyone. I advocate a severely limited, and highly particular, type of action, which therefor cannot be judged by the standards of success and failure adhering to a case of social insurrection or revolution: in the latter case success depends on meeting specific demands and, above all, on longetivity, so in modern revolutions that have been successful one finds that they keep alive the semantics of revolution decades after the revolution itself, as in the cases of Bolshevism and the Islamic Republic of Iran. (It is perhaps the fault of the French Revolution - or simply of Bonaparte - that this "revolutionary ethos" was not kept alive to see it through the Terror: the French, indeed, are not known for their ability to conduct long sieges, on soul or soil.) The action I advocate is not based on the wish-fulfillments of ultimate general success or widespread insurrection; AE is right enough in pointing out that both are impossible -- but can't see that he has insulted the strength of his opponent's position in ascribing to him such an elementary error, nor indeed that through his own lack of wits he proscribes the field of action down to the limits of his own purview: and that is the issue, here: widening the purview of the average White Nationalist, giving him courage and telling him not to stand by and talk while the Jews continue their destruction of world and race. I hope I have made myself clear, but to summarize: I do not advocate that action which AE likes to think is alone possible against "activism", for any dummy can see that it is not possible and doomed to failure; and I further do not advocate success as such, but only promotion of the act itself among those who can still hear through the din of cowardice and christliness. Success is not our marker: desperation is. Anyone who has read Mein Kampf will recall those long paragraphs in which he describes those who ever hang back, weighing possibility of success and severity of punishment like senile old fools and obsessive-compulsives, while everything about them goes to shit. We have been this way for too long. At some point we must have the courage to throw discussion and analysis overboard and decide on values and actions: are we university faggots or Aryans? do we need anymore history books to prove to us that we need to rout the Jew? do we need AE or anyone else telling us that we are counter-productive if we dare something great, as though we have ever been productive, instead of acting like gadfly schoolmarms to the brainwashed masses? what is produce in a foul market owned by Jews? Quare ita censeo: gird yourself for war -- not the classroom.

[QUOTE=MadScienceType]Haw! Haw! Someone's been reading their Nietzsche and eating broken glass for breakfast![/QUOTE]

I haven't read Nietzsche in years. That is probably why I am here. Most people come away from N with a bad case of spiritual constipation that never fully leaves them. You know what I mean. To be afflicted with the Nietzsche bug while living in the 'kwa is a fate worse than death, and more akin to being buried alive under rotten carcasses. In fact, I'll take this moment to thank fate for shaking that nasty little virus out of my system: it leads to that "high minded" inconsequence which has always let the Jew breed unchecked, indeed even advocated its empowerment.

Fuck it. As much as I like Nietzsche, and know he was no Leftist maggot, he inspires so many leftists at this point, and is so often sandwiched between Marx and Freud in passing, that he might as well be considered a Jewish author, on principle.

[QUOTE=MadScienceType]You sure take things personally Outis, especially considering I didn't direct my comments at you.[/QUOTE]

Actually I wasn't sure, but being on a roll, I decided to take it personally so I might continue writing. Beg your pardon.

The next two paragraphs of yours are vile idiocy on the level of AE and will not be addressed. I will, however, look into the cases of Benjamin Smith and Buford Furrow, thought naturally your ascription of their folly to "my advice" is absurd.

[QUOTE=MadScienceType]All I'm saying is we need to get off the internet and start building something real.[/QUOTE]

When you want to build a house, what is the first thing you have to do? -- Level the ground, tear out the weeds.
All I'm saying is I don't give a flying fuck what you guys are saying, because you'll be saying the same shit ten years from now when the situation is even worse. Nick says all I would on this subject.

[QUOTE=MadScienceType]In the process, we find out who is on "our" side and where various talents lie among a pool of allies. Maybe your talent is shaming people into rash acts?.[/QUOTE]

No, but your talent is arrogant presumption: you are in fact a carbon-copy of AE in this respect, so after this I will pay you no more direct attention.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]
If you want to "do something" and you're just hanging out all depressed, and you dont want to toss money at the Linders of the world, and you dont want to "go underground," I've got a damn good idea for you. Go to law school.[/QUOTE]
Heh heh

I'm hardly hanging out "all depressed." I'm a pretty fun guy actually and don't spend a lot of time on the internet. I'm still on good terms with a couple ex-old ladys and that qualifies me as a groovy dude. But I make a decent living and I'm way too much fun to go to law school. Doesn't interest me. I grew up in a jewish neighborhood and that would be just like going back home, which is not healthy to do.

I really don't like the way these assholes use Linder as a justification of their complacence. Every time someone suggests something other than schoolmarming, we are told that we should give our money to Linder or someone comparable - O who could compare? - and shut up. Evidently Linder is doing absolutely everything possible in the war against Jewry (which, to the assholes, is not a war against Jewry at all, but playtime for esoteric White Traditionalism and Christian Identitties), and we are no better than so many wallets for the Grand Poobah of White Nationalism called Alex Linder. Alex, if you have slogged through this far, would you please tell us if you think of yourself in these terms? would you openly declare that we are no longer allowed to advocate anything else but what AE suggests - O so persistently suggests! - and that you are in fact the Savior at whose feet we should toss our dough? Devotion and acknowledgement of leadership is fine, but we must be clear that the man wants to be leader. Now, none of this is too slight you -- if it weren't for you I would still be saying wonderful things like "please, whites are just bad!" and "blah blah the Jews own the media blah blah!", and I'm sure most people here owe you a similar debt of gratitude. We are all willing to acknowledge your influence, and we would all be willing to pitch in for you if you should ever need monetary assistance - should you ask for it - but, I must ask, are you ready to assume the responsibilities which we, in our eagerness, would saddle you with? We say you do so much, and you do, and yet these fellows would have us give you money to do much more, without consulting you about it. They use you in argument to bolster themselves: Oh you don't give Linder money, so what the fuck do you know? -- Shameful! It's all money, money, money with these fellows. Our allegiance, our value is determined solely by the money we give you. Very well. If that is the case, how much would you like? Tell me and I will give it. (You will no doubt recall my offer to help you financially in expanding the media of VNN, at my expense: this is a standing offer valid until the day you draw your last breath. You have my e-mail.) Or, if you are not a moneyhound or indeed a LAWYER like these fools, please say so, Poobah, so we can show them that they are indulging in a Verfrühterführerprinzipübertragungskomplex. Savvy?

If we, or you, or Alex, or I, or anybody, can't do everything that needs doing, does that mean we should do nothing?
We don't have all the wealth of the banks who create fiat paper money "out of thin air" sufficient to buy an all-pervasive media, so does that mean that we should surrender ourselves to thinking that "it's all over but the shouting," and just quit (quit doing something--anything, that is, not quit making excuses--never that!) ?

[SIZE=5]To measure results truly one must have an eye that can pierce through the deceptive sheen and glamour of appearances to the quiet core of enduring fact and force within. One must have an eagle-eye of long range, and perch on a high mountain with the centuries stretched out far below, Then one sees how the noisy and the spectacular in the past has quickly subsided until in the present there is hardly so much as a ripple of it left. And, on the other hand, certain words and deeds in the present, that seem almost as intangible as light and song, almost as defenseless as a newborn babe, slowly come to be spiritual earth and sun for a whole race of men far into the future. Long and long have I believed—at last it is getting in to my very blood—that the really significant changes in human society are not the changes that strike the eye and the ear of man. You put a nation through the throes of a revolution and at last dress it up in a new social order according to your idea of what is good, but how often only to realize in the end that underneath the apparent change the men and women in your new social order remained pretty much what they were. Somewhat as the monkey, even after you have pulled a full dress suit on him, and stuck a cane in his hand and a high hat on his head, still remains—a monkey. The evils bear new names and take new forms but remain the same evils. The really profound and far- reaching changes, out of which in time the need and the demand for the external changes come, are the slow, invisible and intangible changes in men’s ideas and ideals.


“The movements that guide the world,” said Nietzsche, “come on doves’ feet.” “Around the devisers of new values revolveth the world:—invisibly it revolveth. But around the actors revolve the people and the glory: such is the course of things.” We continually say, but how very rarely really believe, what is surely the great fact, that “the Kingdom of God cometh not with observation.” It does not come in the things that we can see. It stealeth over the world.



To him, therefore, who has the soul of the artist, whose chief gift to his fellow men is simply himself, is simply in being out and out what he really is deep down inside—to him I would draw near that I may whisper to him my very soul in this matter. I would say to him, “Be like the dancer. The dancer can bring his dance to the last turn of perfection and have his greatest effect on his spectators precisely when he has completely forgotten not only himself but even those who watch him. He is utterly lost in his dance. He is the dance. And do you likewise forget all else but your vision. Let it possess you—utterly. Clothe it in your own flesh and blood. Let it walk the earth in you. And the effect of it—what men make of it—forget it! Only then will it have its greatest effect. Not they do most for the Kingdom of God who talk about ‘advancing’ it. They do most for the Kingdom of God who see that it is, and live in it.
--William Gailey Simpson[/SIZE]

You know, I thought I was verbose, Keeriste. Otis and that Apollo dude can go on back to your debate. Maybe this is how people feel when they read my bullshit eh? I think I'm going to try for more brevity.

All that crap about Alex, Otis, you can put words into my mouth as much as you like, fact is you're using a medium that exists because Linder had an idea and people helped him get it done via money or other contributions. Money makes things happen that otherwise, wouldnt. Back there you spat on a million-- ha! A million would go a long fucking way. It aint what it used to be, but it's more than $450.

One more thing. There's an old principle of leadership and it's called, lead the way or shut up and follow. I'm not a principal in WN I am just a little helper in my own little ways. There are leaders however humble this may be and Alex is one of them. There are other leaders on this board. White Will was a long time NA leader and is providing some needed emotional leadership to right that boat that has gone off course. Rounder lead in his way and accomplished some notable things worth studying and perhaps emulation. Roper has lead and people have tried to assist him and here Tom88 has provided support to Alex so he could have this board. matt Hale lead and leads by keeping up the fight. Thanks to all. I dont agree with all these people on everything nor all of them with each other. That is fine. I try to help Alex for lots of reasons, and I'm not going to account to you for why. There may be other efforts initiated by other leadeship at righting the course which I support I dont talk about. All of these efforts are hamstrung at this time because of two critical shortages. First, money. Second, needed expertise. You can call for a new krypteria, insurrection, ausrottung, whatever it is you're proposing, but wishing wont make it so. To get from a to z there is much that needs to be done and you can poke fun at 'stay legal' all you like but for now its a damn good idea.

Yep, lots of times the people who ridicule "stay legal" have never been cuffed, arrested, or in a jail, or in a courtroom, etc. Never been hit with a PR24, maybe never been maced, mabye never had your shoulders pulled out of their sockets while cuffed and manhandled, never been whacked in the head with a fucking Dcell maglite, never had your head smacked into a cruiser trunk or door, never had the endless humiliations inflicted in controlled custody. Never had to wear shackles, never had to show up in public dressed like an inmate. Never had to pull your cheecks apart and have somebody look up yer ass. Never had a White man, face of authority, tell you you fucked up and now you're in for a world of shit because of it. Never had your parents mortgage their house to pay bail; never had your girlfriend or wife dump you because you're a penniless inmate, never had to eat slop, never had to deal with niggers up close day in and out, never had to see the filth, never had to deal with the boredom, never had to sit and wonder what it feels like to hug your kid or if they're walking now or can they read now or what. Or the loneliness of knowing, you fucked up and now nobody gives a shit about you because you're a convict in a hole. One things for sure, the great encouragers of derring do may not have experience of eating a bullet and going into the great beyond or they would not be here talking.

Easy to tell somebody else to boldly go where nobody's going, hard to lead the way. I'm not calling for heroics, I'm not calling for imminent unlawful action, I'm just calling for hard work and sustained effort. Let me tell you, if we cant get people together for the hard but legal work that isnt being done, then we dont have the personnel who are ready to live like fugitives either. Dream on Otis, I will keep on suggesting the possible while you elaborate on who knows what.

It's the world's smallest violin playing the world's saddest song, just for our dear Artichokus Epitosleaze.

:*(

Nighty-night goyz and girlz,
Shalom

[QUOTE=MrOutis]

I'll speak to you frankly: I can no longer care about my personal existence in this world. I no longer view life as valuable, far from precious, in this society which drowns us all in its filth. I am willing to risk things. I do not care for safety.[/QUOTE]

You gotta get out more, Outis.


Have a couple beers!
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Get yerself a large-breasted Aryan girlfriend and then wail her!
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It'll change yer whole outlook on life!
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There are too many vaguarities and abstractions and too much personal animus to make much of this flame war thread. Basically I have to regard this thread, as a whole, as a product of frustration over our collective impotence. This is to be expected. I disagree that the Internet is a complete solution and I disagree that it is entirely a waste of time. Truth be spoken, we know we are right but we don't know the way to convert Truth into Results. In this light, I recommend we let a thousand flowers bloom. If you don't like how things are done here, do things better somewhere else. Resolve to show the world how it's done. Try a hundred different paths and SHOW US the way to victory.


[QUOTE=Steve B]You gotta get out more, Outis.


Have a couple beers!
http://beerpictures.net/beer-pictures-2.jpg




Get yerself a large-breasted Aryan girlfriend and then wail her!
http://gallys.nastydollars.com/bn/54/05.jpg


It'll change yer whole outlook on life!
http://www.therealmartha.com/Smile/Dog_huge_grin.jpg[/QUOTE]

Morning, whitewash maries. I expected a renewed thrust of smugness and mockery but I wish you had given me that photo before I went to bed: no collective impotence stands a chance against such mammaries.

Anyway, this thread is boring, let it die.